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[00:54:14] <zeeshan> toastydeath: its z and x offset
[00:54:25] <toastydeath> cut with it
[00:54:53] <zeeshan> is there a way to find the true centerline of the lathe
[00:55:00] <zeeshan> without cutting
[00:55:03] <toastydeath> no
[00:55:10] <zeeshan> i wanna set all my tools without finding zero everytime
[00:55:33] <toastydeath> so, this is a problem with EMC and not machining in general - every other machine control on the planet has a far, far more sane tool offset menu
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[00:55:46] <toastydeath> and i just realized WHY you are having trouble is because the tool zeroing method is ridiculous
[00:55:52] <toastydeath> so i have no help, sorry =(
[00:56:19] <zeeshan> np!
[00:56:22] <zeeshan> it is quite garbage
[00:56:23] <toastydeath> what i'd probably do
[00:56:38] <toastydeath> is cut - measure the cut, and then move the dro half the amount to get to center
[00:56:44] <toastydeath> write that number down
[00:56:47] <toastydeath> face the part off
[00:57:09] <toastydeath> and without removing the tool from the facing cut, jockey it around on X until it got to that value i calculated and then hit zero
[00:57:43] <toastydeath> on FANUC/YASNAC/etc all you do is cut, type into the machine what the diameter of the cut was, and press M+Z at the same time
[00:58:05] <toastydeath> and the control automatically adds the offset to the work offset, and dumps it into the tool table
[00:58:16] <toastydeath> same with z, except you just press 0 rather than putting a value in before M+Z
[00:58:30] <zeeshan> the thing is
[00:58:41] <zeeshan> i setup my tool table, tool 1 is my reference rh turning tool
[00:58:57] <zeeshan> tool 2 is lh, tool 3 is another rh with diff insert, tool 4 is lh with another insert
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[00:59:08] <zeeshan> tool 5-10 are boring bars
[00:59:12] <zeeshan> the problem is
[00:59:24] <zeeshan> everytime i cut with them, they're slightly off
[00:59:27] <zeeshan> when cutting
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[00:59:35] <toastydeath> ...why are they slightly off
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[00:59:53] <zeeshan> maybe its the method im using to offset them
[01:00:27] <zeeshan> you know what im gonna do. ill redo my entire tool table
[01:00:28] <zeeshan> =/
[01:00:29] <toastydeath> also I never use the reference method for X axis on lathe
[01:00:34] <toastydeath> because... it never moves
[01:00:43] <toastydeath> the centerline of the lathe is always in the same place
[01:00:56] <toastydeath> i do that for Z axis, for sure
[01:01:06] <zeeshan> thats what im saying
[01:01:12] <zeeshan> when i set X
[01:01:15] <zeeshan> it shouldnt ever move again
[01:01:28] <zeeshan> but for some reason it does
[01:01:36] <toastydeath> that's bizarre
[01:01:37] <zeeshan> by like 2 thou
[01:01:44] <toastydeath> between when and when
[01:01:45] <zeeshan> maybe my tool holder is a piece of shit
[01:01:58] <toastydeath> oh, that's another thing i'm not used to
[01:02:13] <toastydeath> piston-style toolholders will not realign the tool well
[01:02:16] <zeeshan> im gonna actually check the tool holder
[01:02:19] <zeeshan> yea its a piston style
[01:02:24] <zeeshan> im gonna indicate it right now
[01:02:26] <zeeshan> and see if it moves
[01:02:26] <toastydeath> yeah that sounds like the culprit
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[02:04:45] <PetefromTn_> evening folks
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[02:34:27] <PetefromTn_> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2760745/They-looked-boring-Pet-styling-salon-dyes-cats-look-like-green-dragons-dogs-resemble-bumblebees-claim-animals-ENJOY-it.html
[02:34:34] <PetefromTn_> Dafuq?
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[02:52:19] <Valen> "A spokesman for the RSPCA told MailOnline that animals should not be painted or dyed for cosmetic reasons." He said: 'This could have potentially fatal consequences.
[02:52:42] <Valen> better close the hair product aisle at the super market then
[02:58:02] <XXCoder> jeez
[02:58:07] <XXCoder> pets is not toy
[02:58:25] <XXCoder> and they use the "magic word" natural
[02:58:35] <XXCoder> well snoke poison is natural
[02:58:46] <XXCoder> so are lead. natural sweetener.
[03:00:55] <zeeshan> !!!!!!!!!1
[03:00:58] <zeeshan> cnc working so well
[03:00:58] <Valen> I'm not saying its a great thing, but if you look at what they do to dogs at standard dog shows this isn't much worse
[03:01:01] <zeeshan> minus the tool table
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[03:03:47] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/eg3dTEe.jpg
[03:03:52] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/PzvIoGH.jpg
[03:04:01] <zeeshan> i was doing 500sfm
[03:04:09] <zeeshan> 0.015 ipr
[03:04:17] <zeeshan> rough and 0.004 ipr finish
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[03:09:36] <PetefromTn_> Looks nice man..
[03:09:48] <XXCoder> yeah
[03:13:00] <zeeshan> thanks man
[03:13:13] <zeeshan> i wish i could do it in one step
[03:13:33] <XXCoder> just invent 4d cnc
[03:13:38] <zeeshan> lol
[03:13:50] <XXCoder> so it can access all sides heh
[03:14:11] <XXCoder> though it'd be strange. it could mill out sphere inside block without holes
[03:15:45] <PetefromTn_> How do you find the Lathe version of linuxCNC to work? Do you like the way it works so far?
[03:16:36] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: the tool table is bullshit man
[03:16:50] <zeeshan> and remember i was asking you how to display speed?
[03:16:53] <PetefromTn_> How so?
[03:16:58] <zeeshan> for some reason, when i'm in inches per revolution mode
[03:17:06] <zeeshan> it'll be displaying inches per minute in the axis window
[03:17:07] <zeeshan> which makes no sense?
[03:17:17] <zeeshan> but other than those 2 things, it works excellent
[03:17:29] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: say i setup tool 1, and now i'm about to go setup tool 2
[03:17:39] <zeeshan> and i've already manually entered tool 3 in the tool table
[03:17:53] <zeeshan> asap i put the values for tool 2, all the other values i've manually changed get over written
[03:17:55] <zeeshan> its really annoying
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[03:23:44] <PetefromTn_> Why would you do it that way?
[03:24:14] <PetefromTn_> don't you just touch stuff off and then use the touch off feature. I have never looked at LinuxCNC lathe interface before.
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[03:25:08] <XXCoder> bit curious guys
[03:25:37] <XXCoder> which you guys prefer for cnc X, Y finding - corner X and Y or that circle find X, Y at same time thing
[03:27:28] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: i dont know man
[03:27:36] <zeeshan> maybe this weekend ill mess around with the tool table again
[03:27:40] <zeeshan> i gave up on it a couple weeks ago
[03:29:04] <zeeshan> btw
[03:29:09] <zeeshan> here's my entire controller for the lathe
[03:29:10] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/OOBcfTB.jpg
[03:29:13] <zeeshan> bottom left is computer
[03:29:25] <zeeshan> top left is power supplies + fuses, top right vfd
[03:29:43] <zeeshan> bottom right all the various cnc4pc boards liek the optical encoder boards, probotix rf breakout board
[03:29:49] <zeeshan> and charge pump
[03:29:54] <zeeshan> and the stepper drives
[03:30:35] <PetefromTn_> Do any of you guys stream TV and ifso what PVR client do you use?
[03:31:51] <zeeshan> aint got time for tv!!
[03:31:51] <zeeshan> :D
[03:49:31] <zeeshan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwUubp23p9o&feature=youtu.be
[03:49:35] <zeeshan> video from the action
[03:53:56] <XXCoder> watching
[03:54:23] <XXCoder> the slide show is awesome
[03:54:26] <zeeshan> die aluminum die
[03:54:30] <zeeshan> !
[03:54:30] <XXCoder> I cant really watch handheld videos
[03:54:38] <zeeshan> me either
[03:54:41] <zeeshan> i need a tripod
[03:54:41] <zeeshan> =/
[04:08:51] <PetefromTn_> Looking good man. I like that cutter looks like a good finish.
[04:09:03] <XXCoder> yeah
[04:09:47] <toastydeath> zeeshan, how goes the toolpost investigation
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[04:38:55] <zeeshan> toastydeath:
[04:39:03] <toastydeath> zeeshan,
[04:39:10] <zeeshan> sorry was baking garlic bread :D
[04:39:48] <zeeshan> for a turning tool, along the X direction there is a 0.0005" variance over 20 tries
[04:40:04] <zeeshan> and towards the Z direction there is 0.002" variance over 20 tries
[04:40:24] <zeeshan> so its definitely an issue
[04:41:47] <toastydeath> measured at the tool tip?
[04:41:55] <zeeshan> both the tool holder and tool tip
[04:42:03] <toastydeath> that's not bad on X though
[04:42:18] <toastydeath> kinda wondering where the extra .0015 is coming from in repeat error
[04:43:16] <zeeshan> im going to try to replace it with a wedge style
[04:43:36] <zeeshan> im sure the total error im getting is a combination of things
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[09:04:55] <darkdonny_> I am using
http://chilipeppr.com/grbl to autolevel and it was sort of working when gcode file was in inches, but the whole app now hangs on second z probe attempt when i changed units to mm, anyone else experienced this?
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[09:17:57] <archivist> grbl should have its own support place
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[13:39:36] <PetefromTn_> Morning folks!
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[14:06:23] <jdh> whuttup pete
[14:07:16] <PetefromTn_> Hey man...
[14:07:25] <PetefromTn_> Just working on these parts LOL
[14:08:04] <zeeshan> friday!
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[14:10:08] <archivist> friday is adding some X to the hobbing machine
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[14:11:37] <PetefromTn_> Friday for me today is trying to get this prototype job completed!!
[14:11:45] <zeeshan> archivist: you know one thing i realize..
[14:11:45] <PetefromTn_> So far looking really good
[14:11:52] <zeeshan> lack of machining experience means lack of confidence
[14:12:02] <zeeshan> the other day was my second time machining 3.5" diameter aluminum
[14:12:07] <zeeshan> it was sticking out 5"
[14:12:07] <PetefromTn_> You can say that again..
[14:12:16] <zeeshan> general rule is 2x D = stickout is safe
[14:12:24] <zeeshan> but still it felt so weird taking a 50 thou doc
[14:12:31] <zeeshan> i'm curious if i can take .5" doc
[14:12:34] <zeeshan> and still be okay.
[14:12:39] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: yea
[14:12:45] <archivist> only 2x D :)
[14:13:02] <zeeshan> well i've done more stickout before for 1" stock
[14:13:04] <zeeshan> it'd be sticking out 4"
[14:13:09] <zeeshan> but itll flex a lot
[14:13:15] <zeeshan> still was "safe"
[14:13:29] <zeeshan> theres gotta be some other rule book that says how much doc you can take :p
[14:13:48] <zeeshan> milling i feel more confident with as far as work holding goes
[14:13:50] <archivist> flex is proportional to cut, take smaller bites
[14:14:03] <zeeshan> yes but i'm concerned about roughing cuts only
[14:14:09] <zeeshan> where i want to hog a lot of material
[14:14:15] <zeeshan> and make the insert do some work
[14:14:22] <zeeshan> i just dont want the part flying out into my face
[14:14:34] <zeeshan> i've had a piece of 6061 .125 thick pipe fly out before
[14:14:36] <zeeshan> cause of stickout
[14:15:15] <archivist> I had support and about one thou shaves on this
http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2008/2008_10_07_Merlin_Escape/p1010084.jpg
[14:15:44] <zeeshan> whats the diameterr of that bar
[14:15:46] <zeeshan> in the collet
[14:15:49] <archivist> I was just trueing it up
[14:15:52] <zeeshan> (to get an idea of size)
[14:15:56] <archivist> 4mm
[14:16:07] <zeeshan> thats tiny lol
[14:17:37] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: whats the largest doc youve taken on your lathe
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[14:17:41] <zeeshan> and what was the setup like
[14:18:15] <zeeshan> also i have an embarassing question to ask
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[14:18:27] <zeeshan> when we hook up a dial indicator to measure "run out"
[14:18:37] <zeeshan> it's considered total indicator run out right
[14:18:46] <zeeshan> in reality the end play will be TIR / 2?
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[14:19:11] <zeeshan> the way i've always imagined it to be is that you're measuring the highest/lowest point on a circle
[14:19:30] <zeeshan> so you always have to divide it by 2 to get the end play
[14:20:14] <zeeshan> ugh i think i have that wrong
[14:20:21] <zeeshan> tir is max - min
[14:22:56] <archivist> are you confusing tir with end play, 90 degrees out
[14:23:01] <PetefromTn_> Aw hell man I dunno I have made so many cuts on that lathe its not even funny. Sometimes I hog sometimes I take it easy just depends on what I am doing.
[14:23:18] <zeeshan> archivist: yea it looks like it
[14:23:28] <zeeshan> when i was aligning my bell housing the other day , the spec was 0.005" end play
[14:23:45] <zeeshan> which meant 0.010" TIR. so i find the high spot, set it to 0
[14:23:46] <PetefromTn_> Remember its not a CNC lathe so I just usually go by what sounds and looks good..
[14:23:55] <archivist> chips flying over the tailstock is giving it some :)
[14:23:57] <zeeshan> then found the low spot and that was my TIR and divided it by 2 to get end play
[14:24:22] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: it's hard to get a feeling for what sounds/feels good when it comes to "is my part going to fly out"
[14:24:33] <zeeshan> cause when my tubing flew out
[14:24:35] <zeeshan> it gave me no warning
[14:24:35] <jdh> is 'end play' a real term?
[14:24:58] <zeeshan> yea jdh.
[14:25:36] <zeeshan> i wrote that wrong it's not end play
[14:25:42] <zeeshan> that's when i was working on the trans
[14:25:43] <cradek> archivist: what did that huge crown wheel go in?
[14:25:47] <PetefromTn_> Parts flying out is a problem you overcome with experience.... If you cannot tell how securely your part is held you need to go cautiously until you do.
[14:25:47] <zeeshan> i meant to say run out
[14:25:51] <archivist> if the chuck is good and tight usually the machine stalls before it flies out
[14:26:33] <zeeshan> yea but i got a 3hp motor
[14:26:34] <zeeshan> !
[14:26:48] <zeeshan> i dont think a 1" doc will stall it out
[14:26:49] <zeeshan> in al
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[14:29:28] <jdh> does anyone use FIM?
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[14:30:13] <zeeshan> TIR = FIM
[14:30:32] <zeeshan> i havent ever seen fim written on an inspection drawing
[14:30:42] <zeeshan> but ive only worked at 1 quality inspection place
[14:31:13] <archivist> by the way never get rid of your last manual lathe, most of the time for one of they are faster to get stuff done
[14:31:30] <zeeshan> archivist: lies all lies
[14:31:55] <zeeshan> if you're trying to chamfer something, i agree
[14:31:55] <archivist> cradek,
http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=merlin
[14:31:58] <jdh> does anyone use the term FIM?
[14:32:36] <zeeshan> http://dealertraining.cat.com/suppliertraining/Printreading/prmod3/lesson321.htm
[14:32:38] <zeeshan> cat does!
[14:33:00] <cradek> archivist: funky, seconds-reading escape wheel
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[14:33:56] <archivist> cradek, was a badly made example of a kit design we had in, needed parts remaking and correcting
[14:34:02] <cradek> archivist: dang that's a tall barrel
[14:37:15] <archivist> remaking the worm that drives the escape wheel was the hard job
[14:37:18] <cradek> whoah, the worm is driven?
[14:38:09] <archivist> yes, so has to be well finished
[14:38:11] <cradek> that doesn't seem like it would work
[14:38:15] <cradek> yeah, I bet
[14:38:21] <archivist> it does.....just
[14:38:33] <cradek> very bold design
[14:40:27] <archivist> if you google it you can find many references , original design 1768
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[14:40:58] <archivist> openlibrary seems to have the later 1986 design manual
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[14:41:47] <cradek> is the maintaining power really enough to keep it running, or does it just avoid too much reversal? seems with that huge mainspring you'd need a lot
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[14:42:31] <cradek> thanks for taking pictures of everything - I really enjoy seeing this cool stuff
[14:44:43] <archivist> was taking pictures for the customer who while I was at the clockmakers never paid us anything
[14:45:00] <PetefromTn_> HOLY CRAP did you make that Archivist? That thing is GORGEOUS!!
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[14:45:35] <archivist> no I was only correcting it, remaking a few parts
[14:45:51] <cradek> he's the one who makes it RIGHT
[14:46:01] <cradek> anyone can make a clock that doesn't work, heh
[14:46:08] <cradek> well not anyone
[14:46:15] <zeeshan|2> http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2008/2008_10_07_Merlin_worm/p1010054.jpg
[14:46:18] <zeeshan|2> next level machine setup
[14:46:19] <zeeshan|2> :D
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[14:46:51] <zeeshan|2> i dont know how to approach the people doing construction on hours down the street from me
[14:46:56] <archivist> boss eating chips!
[14:47:00] <zeeshan|2> i wanna ask them if they can help me unload the cnc
[14:47:05] <zeeshan|2> next week
[14:47:11] <zeeshan|2> they has a forklift
[14:47:51] <archivist> look for the friendly people
[14:47:57] <rythmnbls> take a case of beer with you
[14:48:02] <zeeshan|2> ill pay $
[14:48:11] <zeeshan|2> i just dont know who i'd talk to
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[14:48:24] <zeeshan|2> ask a random worker "wheres the foreman"
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[14:48:30] <zeeshan|2> or ask a random person "do you know who runs this forklift?"
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[14:48:43] <archivist> ask the forking forklift driver
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[14:48:51] <zeeshan|2> thats part of the problem
[14:48:55] <zeeshan|2> it's rarely ever working
[14:49:06] <zeeshan|2> it's sitting most of the time. i think they use it to move brick piles
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[17:46:59] <PetefromTn_> Well managed to get the fixture machined for the four parts that are mirrors of each other and just finished pulling four perfect parts out of the machine!! YAY!!
[17:47:35] <archivist> yet another happy bunny
[17:47:42] <PetefromTn_> Just need to put the brushed finish they asked for on them and these babies are DONE... Now I gotta design the fixture for the other pair which is a different part and setup to machine those on the second side...
[17:48:09] <PetefromTn_> Machine is working amazing... I am so pleased. Just got another couple hours worth of work and this prototype will be finished.
[17:48:48] <skunkworks> PetefromTn_, once setup - I have never had a wtf moment with linuxcnc.. (unless I made a mistake)
[17:49:25] <PetefromTn_> yup Altho I still cannot get it to use the damn Cutter Compensation for some reason. That would save me a TON of time...
[17:49:48] <archivist> my wtf moments are usually mechanical (step loss, coupling come loose, or me)
[17:50:49] <skunkworks> wet errors
[17:51:17] <Jymmm> archivist: I'm surprised by that
[17:55:18] <FinboySlick> Jymmm: Even our heroes make mistakes.
[17:55:29] <Jymmm> lol
[17:55:47] <FinboySlick> Jymmm: Learning that is part of growing up.
[17:56:42] <Jymmm> FinboySlick: All my heros are dead, so eh.
[17:57:05] <FinboySlick> Jymmm: See, that was their last mistake.
[17:57:45] <Jymmm> FinboySlick: Yeah, we just haven't figured out immortality yet
[17:58:15] <Jymmm> FinboySlick: But both were badasses in their own right, so it's all good =)
[17:59:07] <FinboySlick> Jymmm: Badass that are dead... Hmmm. Smedley Butler?
[17:59:28] <Jymmm> FinboySlick: Einstein and Tesla.
[18:02:11] <FinboySlick> Jymmm: Good picks.
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[18:20:17] <Jymmm> FinboySlick: And it's not their skills, but their philosophy and passion
[18:21:19] <Jymmm> FinboySlick: Their character if you will.
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[18:23:41] <Deejay> re
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[18:28:15] <jdh> no edison?
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[18:28:50] <FinboySlick> jdh: You're trying to spark an international conflict? ;)
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[18:29:43] <jdh> from that poseurs fans?
[18:29:56] <jdh> I work on Thomas Edison Street
[18:30:21] <FinboySlick> jdh: He had very good PR at the time.
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[18:34:45] <jdh> I think it is time to leave!
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[18:47:26] <penguin359`mac> Hello
[18:47:46] <penguin359`mac> I'm trying to talk g-code to an unknown CNC from a terminal.
[18:48:06] <penguin359`mac> Is there a simple hello, echo, or ping command to verify it is communicating?
[18:48:59] <cradek> you'll have to give much more information
[18:51:29] <penguin359`mac> I'm trying to send any command that will ellicit a response from the CNC.
[18:51:53] <penguin359`mac> I'm not sure if I have the right baud rate so I am trying several baud rates, but I don't see anything back.
[18:52:05] <cradek> ok you're talking about a serial port hookup
[18:52:28] <penguin359`mac> Yes, I am using a serial port adapter to the RS-232 cable it came with.
[18:52:30] <cradek> if you have tried many rates and don't even get garbage, you probably aren't hooked up right
[18:52:53] <PetefromTn_> Can you do something safe like maybe just turning the spindle on or something that does not require axis movement?
[18:52:53] <penguin359`mac> Do all G-code commands ellicit a response?
[18:53:05] <cradek> well none do, in particular
[18:53:13] <cradek> when you say unknown CNC what do you mean?
[18:53:51] <cradek> some old CNCs used a serial port for editing the gcode with a line editor or something, which would probably give you a prompt if you hit enter
[18:54:02] <penguin359`mac> I mean it's an old Isel brand CNC that was laying around with no software and no one who knows anything about it.
[18:54:17] <cradek> others expected a tape reader and don't ever print anything
[18:54:24] <cradek> some expect a teletype or reader/punch
[18:54:35] <cradek> what is "old"?
[18:55:08] <cradek> like what decade do you mean?
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[18:59:32] <penguin359`mac> http://www.techno-isel.com/education1/H870/PDF/H870P087.pdf
[18:59:49] <penguin359`mac> That's the most detailed information I've found on the device so far, but I can't find a date.
[19:01:54] <cradek> pretty old, it's 32k of ram
[19:02:19] <cradek> ok, it is rs232, that's one suspicion answered
[19:02:57] <cradek> there is no way to know from this what it expects
[19:03:01] <penguin359`mac> Yes, but no mention of baud rate so I'm expecting that they only want you to use their software.
[19:03:24] <penguin359`mac> They do mention a G-code translator for one of the two software packages.
[19:03:31] <cradek> there's no reason to expect it to take gcode on that serial port
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[19:03:44] <penguin359`mac> err, g-m code translator
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[19:04:02] <cradek> keep the stepper drives if they have a usable interface, ditch the control, use linuxcnc
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[19:05:17] <penguin359`mac> HL33SBME242510
[19:05:17] <penguin359`mac> Includes: two clamp bars, two cam locks, variable speed spindle, computer serial
[19:05:20] <penguin359`mac> cable, and the Fanuc G-M code translator.
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[19:06:00] <cradek> sure, that might be a floppy disk with a piece of software on it
[19:06:24] <cradek> it looks like an optional feature you can buy
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[19:06:56] <cradek> start taking it apart, see what you have
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[19:13:51] <zeeshan|2> fak
[19:14:02] <zeeshan|2> i accidently found out the lathe can cut .75" depth of cut
[19:14:03] <zeeshan|2> haha
[19:14:06] <zeeshan|2> whoops.
[19:18:56] <penguin359`mac> Well, looks like I have an EP1090 controller inside.
[19:19:06] <penguin359`mac> Time for some more Google
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[19:29:28] <penguin359`mac> It sounds like people fedd G-code to this Fanuc software that ran on DOS which translated it to the language used by the EP1090.
[19:29:55] <penguin359`mac> This may just require a new stepper motor controller.
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[20:13:54] <CaptHindsight> http://www.gizmag.com/intel-3d-realsense-scanners-tablets-phones/33882/ Intel putting 3D scanners in consumer tablets next year, phones to follow
[20:14:20] <CaptHindsight> I wonder if they will try to cripple it with DRM in some way?
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[20:39:15] <pips_> hey I am wondering if i could get some help setting up a program
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[20:46:39] <penguin359`mac> Hey, I found what looks like a manual for the C series controller language!
[20:47:05] <penguin359`mac> It's not G-code, but it is ASCII. Now I need to write a converter.
[20:48:24] <Deejay> gn8
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[20:52:55] <JT-Shop> http://www.multixmedia.org/cammill/
[20:54:25] <Tom_itx> you tried it?
[20:54:26] <Connor> JT-Shop: What's that ?
[20:54:41] <Tom_itx> appears to be 2d cad cam
[20:55:34] <JT-Shop> I just saw it on the forum, I'm installing it on my Debian box
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[20:55:50] <Tom_itx> no english docs?
[20:56:21] <JT-Shop> much to my surprise Debian has git installed from the git go
[20:56:25] <JT-Shop> dunno
[20:57:51] <JT-Shop> things went well until I typed in make
[20:58:36] <Tom_itx> post doesn't show canned cycles
[20:59:43] <Tom_itx> decimals are carried out a bit far
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[21:02:12] <Tom_itx> i don't see anything on tweaking the post either
[21:02:26] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx, did you install it?
[21:02:38] <Tom_itx> no i'm just looking at the page
[21:03:12] <Tom_itx> it would be nice to know what functions they have definded for the post
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[21:04:04] <JT-Shop> interesting the tool names are in English but the description is German
[21:04:16] <Tom_itx> i noticed that too
[21:06:20] <rythmnbls> JT-Shop, you can substitue gcc for clang in the Makefile
[21:06:35] <Connor> I just installed clang
[21:07:03] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chicago-Electric-240-Volt-Spot-Welder-New-/251494770844 are these too crappy to tack weld 22ga stainless?
[21:07:39] <Tom_itx> i would think it should do that
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[21:08:20] <rythmnbls> CaptHindsight, i have a Hobart just like that one, it will do 22ga easy
[21:09:40] <CaptHindsight> some HF tools I use and return under extended warranty, others I just avoid
[21:09:52] <Tom_itx> hehe
[21:10:10] <Tom_itx> i had an angle drill i got from HF that didn't make it past the first hole
[21:10:15] <Tom_itx> before the head stripped
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[21:10:42] <Tom_itx> the tips look replaceable
[21:10:58] <CaptHindsight> yeah, some are just made too poorly, others I just expect to wear out
[21:11:27] <CaptHindsight> their portable bandsaw lasted one day
[21:11:35] <Tom_itx> i'd have gotten a nicer one but i never had the need for one except for once
[21:11:44] <CaptHindsight> my milwaukee is going on 25 years
[21:11:48] <Tom_itx> yup
[21:12:52] <CaptHindsight> maybe I'll just use a TIG, it's only 40 or so spots
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[21:25:07] <JT-Shop> is the problem that clang whateverthatis is not installed?
[21:25:41] <rythmnbls> JT-Shop, yep
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[21:32:17] <JT-Shop> thanks, it's working now
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[21:34:12] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx, the post processor looks just like SheetCam
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[21:41:55] <Connor> okay, those of you who have done really nice looking wiring in your cabinets using DIN rails and connectors.. Can you give me some basic tips? I have a huge pile of DIN connectors.. and have no idea what the proper way to use them are. I'm going to be redoing my enclosure..
[21:42:23] <Connor> I know I need a 48v buss to feed the stepper drivers, I need a 12v buss...
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[21:43:01] <Connor> Do I run I/O through them too? Or is that over complicating it ?
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[21:44:39] <Connor> The other issue I have is.. I have NO idea what this stuff is rated at.. if it's AC or DC ..
[21:45:24] <JT-Shop> most DIN rail terminal blocks are rated at 250v or more
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[21:45:50] <Connor> Yes, But.. when dealing with DC.. doesn't that change ?
[21:46:00] <JT-Shop> Panduit conduit makes the cabinet look good
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[21:46:16] <JT-Shop> only with contactors
[21:46:59] <JT-Shop> do you have jumpers for the terminal blocks?
[21:47:05] <Connor> http://disti-assets.s3.amazonaws.com/quistelectronics/files/datasheets/13934.pdf
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[21:47:10] <Connor> that's One I have..
[21:47:34] <Connor> I have several that are have a jumper linking 2 blocks together.
[21:47:46] <JT-Shop> 800v 32a
[21:48:02] <JT-Shop> I have a bunch of them too
[21:48:17] <Connor> On the part.. I see 600V 20-10AWG too..
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[21:49:26] <Connor> I have 3 Wkn 2.5 E/U
[21:49:34] <JT-Shop> normally it doesn't make sense to run a wire from a terminal block on a device to a terminal block then to the end when one wire will run the whole distance in the same box
[21:50:26] <Connor> Okay.. So, NO on the I/O since I/O is in same enclosure..
[21:50:37] <Connor> but, using it for buss is okay.
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[21:50:46] <Connor> IE 48v, and 12v and 120v
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[21:52:08] <JT-Shop> yea that makes sense
[21:52:53] <Connor> http://www.plccenter.com/en-US/Buy/WIELAND/WK25U8113SH
[21:53:00] <Connor> I have some of those too
[21:53:28] <JT-Shop> it also makes sense when bringing wires into a cabinet to land them on terminal blocks usually
[21:53:59] * JT-Shop heads to the neighbors house to relax with a cold beverage
[21:54:16] <Connor> that's the part that's concerning me.
[21:54:27] <Connor> that's allot of extra wiring...
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[22:47:49] <CaptHindsight> is there a simple way to run a few digital RC servo motors from a Mesa card?
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[22:48:54] <CaptHindsight> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?RC_Servo_Test doesn't have enough accuracy
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[22:55:16] <SpeedEvil> Are you sure the things have enough accuracy
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[22:56:27] <CaptHindsight> http://emc2arduino.wordpress.com/ this will work, but if you're trying to avoid the use of a *duino i aven't noticed anything already worked out
[22:56:31] <cpresser_> most rc servos are analog, so they have infinite accuracy :)
[22:57:05] <cpresser_> however, the pwm-frequency is only 50Hz. inbetween commands they are not closed loop
[22:58:08] <CaptHindsight> I won't have enough LPT signals left over to use RC_Servo_Test anyway
[22:59:34] <SpeedEvil> Err - they have _massive_ slop
[22:59:42] <SpeedEvil> Often
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[23:01:04] <CaptHindsight> good enough to open a close some doors
[23:01:41] <CaptHindsight> have 6 to control
[23:02:41] <Tom_itx> dude just wrote an 12 bit avr lib to control servos (at least8) i think
[23:02:43] <Tom_itx> maybe more
[23:02:52] <Tom_itx> serial
[23:03:46] <Tom_itx> low or no jitter
[23:05:29] <CaptHindsight> I have to see if emc2arduino has a interface to HAL worked out
[23:06:21] <CaptHindsight> Linuxcnc controls the gantry robot, this has to be synchronized to the RC servos with classicladder
[23:09:50] <CaptHindsight> http://emc2arduino.wordpress.com/category/hal2arduino/
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[23:21:17] <cpresser_> you can use a PCA9685 to drive 16 servos over i2c
[23:21:42] <cpresser_> its not realime, but depending on the application its a nice an easy setup
[23:22:01] <CaptHindsight> cpresser_: how does it tie back into Linuxcnc?
[23:22:26] <cpresser_> CaptHindsight: have a kernel-i2c-interface, and write a userspace comp for it
[23:22:39] <cpresser_> you could even make it realtime, if the kernel-i2c-driver is realtime :)
[23:22:44] <CaptHindsight> ah ok, yet to be done
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[23:22:58] <CaptHindsight> trying to avoid have to write much
[23:23:09] <cpresser_> not really. most pc hardware has a usable i2c-bus
[23:23:53] <cpresser_> embedded boards like the beaglebone or the R-Pi have them. on normal PCs the bus is not exposed, but easily accessed with a soldering iron :)
[23:24:07] <cpresser_> drivers and userspace tools are available under linux
[23:24:48] <cpresser_> or: get a usb->i2c dongle.
[23:25:54] <cpresser_> like this one:
http://www.harbaum.org/till/i2c_tiny_usb/index.shtml
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[23:31:25] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/11Kg-cm-42-Stepper-Motor-with-5mm-Shaft-5-18-1-Planetary-Gearbox-for-3D-Printer-/131283308072 would also work
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[23:35:48] <Tom_itx> i used i2c for my temp sensors on my server using the parport
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[23:36:07] <Tom_itx> with lmsensors
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[23:37:38] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.ddns01.com:81/~webpage/temp/LM75/PPort_Brd_top.jpg
[23:37:42] <Tom_itx> parport dongle for it
[23:42:02] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-Reprap-Stepper-Geared-motor1-15-ratio-1805oz-in-12V-3D-printer-57BYGH402AG15-/131297113697
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[23:52:28] <CaptHindsight> it would nice to use a gearbox + stepper or RC servo vs DC motor with gearbox + limit switches
