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[00:22:41] <archivist> andypugh, ouch, but I bet something could be done with it
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[00:24:05] <andypugh> archivist: It is just possible that underneath the very good covers the slides are OK. But it’s not a gamble I fancy, and it is still useless wthout a table at the very least.
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[00:27:43] <archivist> as a bunch of castings for the addition of cnc
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[00:37:02] <PCW> surprisingly enough the stepgen works OK at a 100 Hz servo thread
[00:37:03] <PCW> (obviously the path will have a fair bit of faceting on fast curves at that update rate)
[00:37:08] <andypugh> Even with CNC the slides still need to work.
[00:37:50] <andypugh> PCW: 100Hz servo and FPGA stepgen?
[00:38:10] <PCW> best left to RIP (Rust In Peace)
[00:38:14] <PCW> Yes
[00:38:48] <PCW> i tried 50 hz but the DPLL wont lock that low
[00:39:19] <andypugh> Fix the DPLL! What kind of horrible bug is that?!
[00:40:02] <PCW> yeah it needs to run a 1Hz for GPS 1PPS locking
[00:40:34] <andypugh> PCW: I won a banch PSU from the skip today that I think will wake up an 8i20, which will be a win for testing.
[00:40:47] <andypugh> (bench)
[00:41:10] <PCW> PS was OK?
[00:41:48] <andypugh> The On/Off switch was missing, (bizarrely). Just 4x 1/8” Fastons hanging out.
[00:42:21] <andypugh> It turns out to be really hard to find a 13 x 19mm DPST switch with 1/8” fasatons.
[00:43:06] <andypugh> Which might be why they tossed a $1300 PSU.
[00:43:13] <PCW> power switches often wear out on bench supplies, maybe the people that tossed it couldn't find one either
[00:43:29] <PCW> nice
[00:43:45] <andypugh> I changed the terminals to the next size up, and fitted a £2 switch
[00:44:32] <andypugh> It’s this one:
http://www.rapidonline.com/electrical-power/gossen-metrawatt-slp-120-40-120w-single-output-variable-dc-power-supply-40v-54-7420
[00:44:55] <andypugh> Frankly I don’t see why it is _quite_ that expensive
[00:45:08] <PCW> that looks quite nice
[00:45:09] <andypugh> It’s wierldy light, must be a switcher.
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[00:46:02] <andypugh> It has a set of remote control terminals on the back, they can be paralleled apparerently.
[00:46:22] <PCW> yeah I have a couple cheapo 6V 5A supplies but they are not great
[00:46:39] <andypugh> 60V ?
[00:46:48] <PCW> probably sense inputs
[00:46:58] <PCW> yeah 0 to 60V 5A
[00:47:06] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Agilent-HP-6632A-Power-Supply-20V-5A-100W-/301220188055?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item46221f4f97
[00:47:47] <andypugh> Back panel has sense, output, external voltage and current control at both 0-10V and 3-20mA and “remote”
[00:48:02] <jdh> 3-20?
[00:48:31] <andypugh> but that’s just firmware, doesn’t really excuse the price
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[00:51:01] <CaptHindsight> how does an aluminum flex coupling only last a few hours with a 4lb vertical load with a 1/2" 8 tpi lead screw, must have gotten a bad one
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[00:52:39] <PCW> much better specs than cheap supplies ( 0.2% readout 1ms response to command 10 mv ripple etc et
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[00:55:02] <SpeedEvil> The hp PSUs can be really, really good value on ebay
[00:55:14] <SpeedEvil> The above has either USB or serial control of volts too
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[00:59:18] <andypugh> Is it just me, or is Freenode haiving a bad night?
[00:59:23] <andypugh> (Price paid, not price new, the HP would win that battle, the only way to trump HP there is to use a strange shade of blue-ish green and add the Bruel & Kjaer logo)
[01:00:46] <SpeedEvil> I haven't disconnected tonight
[01:00:54] <SpeedEvil> But - there have been issues inthe recent past
[01:01:03] <CaptHindsight> lots of net splits in the past few hours
[01:01:25] <CaptHindsight> Friday night US time is generally bad
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[01:01:32] <PCW> my cheap supplies are a switched transformer secondary followed by a linear regulator the metrawatt is much fancier
[01:02:50] <PCW> does the metrawatt supply have a fan?
[01:03:19] <PCW> look like its almost efficient enough to not need one
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[01:07:54] <andypugh> It does have a fan, yes. Or, at least, it makes a whirring noise.
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[01:08:05] <tjtr33> hamster?
[01:08:14] <andypugh> I get the impression it is clever enough to be hard to kill.
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[01:08:46] <andypugh> I think the hamster just operates the LEDs that show CV, CI ot thermally limited.
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[01:09:26] <CaptHindsight> http://planetary.s3.amazonaws.com/assets/images/spacecraft/2014/20140818_0713MH0002620000204354E01_DXXX.jpg Curiosity rover wheel damage
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[01:10:02] <andypugh> Fatigue, at a guess. It’s way past design life.
[01:10:09] <andypugh> Time to bring her home
[01:10:44] <CaptHindsight> I wonder what alloy was used
[01:11:03] <andypugh> http://xkcd.com/695/
[01:11:21] <CaptHindsight> http://www.planetary.org/blogs/emily-lakdawalla/2014/08190630-curiosity-wheel-damage.html
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[01:16:40] <andypugh> 15 paragraphs in, they say “fatigue” They should give me a job.
[01:18:17] <CaptHindsight> machined .75mm thick
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[01:20:43] <CaptHindsight> andypugh: do you recall if the UDOO uses the on chip ethernet or if they used a USB type?
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[01:21:06] <andypugh> I am surprised that the used aluminium, not Ti or something truly exotic
[01:21:41] <andypugh> CaptHindsight: It isn’t that I don’t recall, I never knew.
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[01:23:11] <CaptHindsight> on chip I just checked the schematics
[01:24:16] <CaptHindsight> hm2_eth built fine on ARM, but haven't tried it yet
[01:24:28] <andypugh> do it now!
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[02:02:30] * likevinyl_ is away: reflexión meteórica punk rock! "la radiofrecuencia no dobla" :P
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[03:02:39] <skunkworks_> pcw_home: we thing the k&t was 250hz servo loop
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[03:23:55] <skunkworks_> think
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[03:27:15] <pcw_home> if you dont have very high accelleration and you have good velocity mode drives, 250 hz is probably OK
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[03:38:39] <skunkworks_> how ever it did circular and linier interp - it sucked
[03:38:46] <skunkworks_> linear
[03:39:33] <skunkworks_> circles had facets.. (not much but visable)
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[03:57:40] * likevinyl_ is back (gone 01:55:05)
[03:58:15] * likevinyl_ is away: adquirí tu remera en nerdos punto com punto ar hacete fan y ganale a tu troll vecino. nerdos remerasa geeks hechas por sinverguenzas.
[04:01:04] * likevinyl_ is away: adquirí tu remera en hache té té pé nerdos punto com punto ar, hacete fan y ganale a tu sysadmin interno. nerdos remerasa geeks, remeras geeks hechas por la vieja del quinto.
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[04:33:57] <XXCoder> hey well toasted
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[04:46:59] <CaptHindsight> toasted = snockered?
[04:47:15] <XXCoder> toasty deatgh
[04:47:47] <CaptHindsight> shnockered
[04:48:47] <XXCoder> ah just googled. lol
[04:50:54] <toastydeath> wat
[04:51:18] <XXCoder> was making joke on your nick, and he made joke on my joke
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[10:06:40] <The_Eel|2> can I use any step motor with any driver with grbl ?
[10:08:47] <archivist> we dont support grbl in here
[10:09:26] <The_Eel|2> ok sorry
[10:09:29] <archivist> we use better free software
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[16:34:41] <__rob2> hello, I was hoping someone might be able to help me. I'm looking for some small servos ( < nema 8 size (20x20x30) ) with as high resolution as possible, and optically positioned. I want it to be as 100% positionally repeatable, like a stepper, just higher resolutuon
[16:34:48] <__rob2> seems quite hard to find anything like this
[16:35:26] <__rob2> my only other option was a nema8 stepper with a harmonic 0 backlash 100:1 gear, but thats $750
[16:35:44] <pcw_home> multi turn?
[16:36:16] <__rob2> not essential
[16:36:27] <__rob2> http://catalog.orientalmotor.com/keyword/stepping-motors--1068/pk-series-5-phase-stepping-motors?&categid=1068&prodid=3001062&key=product&keycateg=1068&keyprod=3001062&SchType=2&keyword=PK51_HG_Geared
[16:36:31] <__rob2> thats the stepper I'm talking about
[16:37:45] <pcw_home> its tough to make encoders that small
[16:38:06] <__rob2> yea, I think thats why I'm not finding what I'm after
[16:38:29] <__rob2> I can find high resolution hobby ones, they're all going to be using pots or similar for positioning and I can see that twitching about with any noise on supply or ground
[16:42:54] <pcw_home> how high resolution do you need?
[16:43:57] <__rob2> well its for optical stuff at a distance up to about 10 meters
[16:44:32] <__rob2> so ideally < 0.1 degrees
[16:44:50] <__rob2> as even at that its 1.75cm at 10 meters
[16:52:48] <_1SheYode> I have a water cooled spindle that uses a tube with 5mm inner diameter and 8mm outer diameter. I also have a a water pump that requires a 20.3mm inner diameter tube... any idea where I can get a "reducer" or what something like that would be called?
[16:59:57] <archivist> __rob2, worm drive after the servo/stepper, but you need to control backlash, you want resolution but do you also need accuracy
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[17:37:17] <pcw_home> You can get 12 bit resolution (but not accuracy) from the better magnetc encoders and they are small
[17:37:19] <pcw_home> but I think archivist is right, a stepper driving a worm gear with anti backlash provisions is probably
[17:37:20] <pcw_home> a better solution than getting a tiny servo and will be easier to drive
[17:42:35] <archivist> there are accuracy problems with low reduction ratio worm drives to, go for a 100 or greater reduction
[17:43:58] <archivist> odd job of the day, make spares to restore a morse key
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[17:59:57] <CaptHindsight> __rob2:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Klinger-Scientific-Newport-Micro-Controle-Motorized-Rotation-Stage-2-/141389768777 do you need to make something like this?
[18:01:09] <archivist> or a servo mirror system
[18:07:50] <CaptHindsight> __rob2:
http://www.newport.com/Motorized-Rotation-Stage-Selection-Guide/140222/1033/content.aspx this might give you some ideas
[18:08:01] <__rob2> great, thanks
[18:08:07] <__rob2> archivist, do you know of something like that ?
[18:08:30] <archivist> __rob2, laser display systems use them
[18:08:50] <CaptHindsight> galvo mirrors
[18:09:35] <CaptHindsight> __rob2: what are you actually moving? Linear or rotary motion? How fast? What mass? What res?
[18:09:41] <__rob2> yea, but I wonder how accuracte laser display stuff is
[18:09:57] <archivist> as accurate as you want to pay for :)
[18:10:38] <__rob2> hah, yea, the newport rotation stages
[18:10:41] <archivist> you can servo the galvo so it can be as accurate as you want
[18:10:45] <__rob2> $5000
[18:11:03] <CaptHindsight> __rob2: you're going to have to get lucky on ebay or similar to find something for under $750
[18:11:21] <archivist> or make your own galvo system
[18:11:30] <__rob2> well that the idea archivist
[18:11:55] <archivist> I have seen some homebrew galvos on the net
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[18:12:09] <__rob2> currently the only issue is the resolution of the stepper
[18:12:29] <__rob2> the quality and repeatability of the position seems perfect
[18:13:04] <__rob2> so either I spend money on high quality gearing or the first url I posted with a high quality harmonic gear
[18:13:05] <archivist> google home made galvo mirror laser
[18:13:07] <CaptHindsight> what's the actual problem? you don't want to use gear reduction?
[18:13:17] <__rob2> yea, it is indeed for a mirror
[18:13:43] <__rob2> not for a laser though, but a camera
[18:14:22] <CaptHindsight> does the mirror scan?
[18:15:04] <archivist> thinking of scanning mirrors look in a laser printer
[18:15:27] <__rob2> pan tilt
[18:15:40] <__rob2> with image processing done on the fpga
[18:15:49] <__rob2> which needs to move the mirror
[18:16:34] <pcw_home> scanning and some good timing will beat a galvo for accuaracy anyday
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[18:18:10] <CaptHindsight> if we knew if the mirror scans, and at what rate and by how much it would help
[18:18:36] <pcw_home> because you can interpolate very accurately between timing tics when moving at a constant speed
[18:18:40] <CaptHindsight> 1 mirror, 2 mirrors?
[18:18:41] <archivist> if an image stabiliser then the angle ranges are a lot smaller
[18:18:58] <__rob2> 2 mirrors, it needs to track something
[18:19:24] <CaptHindsight> __rob2: so random movement, not fixed scanning like a raster?
[18:19:31] <__rob2> yea, random
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[18:20:24] <__rob2> I am planning to have 2 stages for the pan, a larger motor to move the whole assembly for and then 2 other mirrors with fine resolution
[18:23:25] <CaptHindsight> how fast do the mirrors have to move?
[18:23:43] <pcw_home> do you need accuracy or just resolution ( a galvo has effectively infinite resolution but poor accuracy)
[18:24:00] <__rob2> say about 90 degrees a second
[18:24:03] <__rob2> that would be more then enough
[18:24:14] <archivist> I remember a nice servo system in an HP pen plotter for high speed, used a pcb and a vane on the rotating part to make a variable frequency oscillator to close the loop
[18:24:17] <CaptHindsight> whats the range of rotation?
[18:24:50] <archivist> way faster that 90 deg a sec
[18:24:57] <__rob2> well ideally 360 in the vertical rotation
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[18:25:14] <__rob2> but that is just for positioning
[18:25:32] <__rob2> < 90 is fine once the position is set
[18:25:40] <archivist> mirror cannot work greater than x degrees, you loose the image
[18:25:44] <__rob2> yea, of course
[18:26:02] <__rob2> so I'd have the whole assembly rotate to position
[18:26:10] <CaptHindsight> what's the budget in $?
[18:26:22] <__rob2> < $5000
[18:26:36] <__rob2> which is what one of those newport rotation stages costs
[18:26:44] <archivist> slow for whole assembly fast for mirrors over 10-20 degrees ish
[18:26:54] <__rob2> yea, that would be fine
[18:27:09] <__rob2> bit mroe would be nice but low resolution rotation of the assembly will solve that
[18:27:51] <__rob2> the main thing is that when I say position the mirrors a N degrees it is actually at that position +/- as small as possible
[18:28:34] <__rob2> ideally if its perfect its less I have to do i nthe fpga to compensate for any errors, so that rules out microstepping with a stepper
[18:29:14] <CaptHindsight> what's the resolution of the image sensor?
[18:29:28] <__rob2> 1080p
[18:29:46] <archivist> the fun part is picking out the bit of the image to follow
[18:30:28] <archivist> specially when it gets obscured for a short period
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[18:30:30] <__rob2> yea, got that bit covered
[18:30:43] <CaptHindsight> back in the 80's we did it without scanning mirrors
[18:31:10] <__rob2> well the ideal solution is not mirrors
[18:31:23] <CaptHindsight> image sensors are so low cost
[18:31:24] <__rob2> and just a huge resolution sensor
[18:31:53] <CaptHindsight> we built sensor arrays
[18:31:53] <__rob2> then the problem goes away
[18:32:14] <archivist> if the camera is light enough you can shift it pretty quickly
[18:33:36] <__rob2> well the good thing about 2 mirrors is you can separete the axis
[18:33:43] <__rob2> with a camera they would need to be combined
[18:33:53] <__rob2> so you then have to move the 2nd motor along with it
[18:35:37] <archivist> it should magically just work if the x and y sensing are separate and them driving the x and y servos
[18:37:30] <__rob2> I dont see how I can separete x and y on a sensor
[18:37:42] <SpeedEvil> cylindrical lenses
[18:37:50] <SpeedEvil> 2 linear sensors
[18:37:54] <SpeedEvil> (in principle)
[18:38:35] <archivist> your fpga would have an x and separate y out to the servos
[18:38:40] <__rob2> yea, pratically of me making that (well) get smaller
[18:39:39] <__rob2> I can mill mirror mountings and assembly out of aluminium, lenses are another thing
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[19:26:29] <CaptHindsight> http://www.lovejoy-inc.com/products/rubber-suspension/tensioner-devices.aspx anyone ever see a tensioner like these with a tensioning torque that pretty flat over a 45deg range of motion?
[19:26:53] <CaptHindsight> that/that's
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[23:12:50] <praeconium> Is there a channel where people operate cnc machines for other people in need for money or whatever?
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[23:23:56] <Nick001-shop> what are you looking to be done?
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[23:36:44] <CaptHindsight> praeconium: post what you're looking for, some here have machine shops, they might respond
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[23:38:54] <praeconium> I want to make a speargun, and basically I need 75-90cm long, 10cm wide and 10cm high piece of wood modeled after cuttlefish bone? It can be made out of various woods.
[23:39:46] <praeconium> http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/5899/spartacus115muzzlebandsgy2.jpg
[23:40:37] <SpeedEvil> whats the problm?
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[23:43:09] <CaptHindsight> SpeedEvil: I think he needs someone with tools to make it for him
[23:43:29] <praeconium> idd
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