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[00:06:43] <mozmck> This is just the kind of thing I'm looking for, but much closer to TX than that! www.ebay.com/itm/Supermax-3-Axis-cnc-knee-mill-Bridgeport-Style-Manual-Mill/221541181460
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[00:24:16] <MrHindsight> mozmck: check ebay and craigslist every day for 5 minutes, every few weeks there is a really good deal
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[00:55:44] <jdh> not here.
[00:56:20] <jdh> I've been checking CL 2-5x day for 2 years
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[00:57:18] <LatheBuilder> jdh >> whereabouts?
[00:58:29] <jdh> wilmington.nc.us
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[01:00:01] <jdh> all the deals are in cali/kansas/NJ
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[01:00:55] <MrHindsight> jdh: what are you looking for?
[01:02:23] <jdh> everything/anything.
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[01:04:49] <XXCoder> https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10639661_695861340483573_3753885501503816202_n.jpg?oh=28a683efddfdb5da035a53eef47c5e2d&oe=54A8505D&__gda__=1419600695_77001cdab72d629f21ec5b73750f7aa5
[01:04:51] <XXCoder> weird
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[01:39:42] <SpeedEvil> Now I want one with five screw-drives and articulated fingers
[01:41:55] <XXCoder> lol
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[02:02:33] <XXCoder> man
[02:02:48] <XXCoder> checking few favorites in my "dead or static sites"
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[02:02:57] <XXCoder> few of em has been same for years now
[02:03:01] <XXCoder> no update no news.
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[02:04:52] <PetefromTn_> Jeez man I am stumped..
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[02:05:16] <PetefromTn_> I hate to throw useful stuff away.
[02:05:24] <XXCoder> what stuff
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[02:05:41] <PetefromTn_> I had two garage door openers here that were both old and finally the last one broke.
[02:05:56] <PetefromTn_> So I took it apart and removed the steel bars from them.
[02:06:15] <PetefromTn_> Now I have a bunch of steel shaped like a T and I am trying to decide what to make out of it.
[02:06:36] <PetefromTn_> I have been thinking about making a stand for my shop fan or maybe some kinda bracket for the CNC.
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[02:07:18] <PetefromTn_> I was also thinking about making an adjustable tray that goes under my pendant to hold the industrial dust and moisture proof keyboard I use.
[02:08:06] <XXCoder> so many uses and only two steel t bars
[02:08:31] <PetefromTn_> actually it screwed together and it is more like six tee shaped bars
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[02:09:03] <PetefromTn_> They are pretty long and of course I have a lot of other steel here to use with them.
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[02:09:31] <PetefromTn_> Just cannot think of anything to make with it and tired of it sitting on the floor in the shop LOL
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[02:12:02] <XXCoder> HMM
[02:12:10] <XXCoder> invent 12 different ways
[02:12:17] <XXCoder> list em then roll 2 dice
[02:12:20] <XXCoder> build whatever
[02:12:47] <XXCoder> or just 6 and one die. real even chances that 2 dice dont give
[02:17:02] <toastyde1th> actually you can have any number under the maximum number of things allowed by the two dice
[02:18:24] <toastyde1th> i.e. any number of things between 1-6 for one die, and 55 things for two die
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[02:18:29] <XXCoder> toast problem is stats wise you cant get even chance with 2 dice
[02:18:36] <toastyde1th> don't add them
[02:18:47] <XXCoder> how so?
[02:18:48] <toastyde1th> and that problem goes away - the events become independent
[02:18:59] <XXCoder> yes but how dermine?
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[02:19:06] <toastyde1th> basic statistics?
[02:19:27] <XXCoder> no, if dont add em together how do you dermine entry of list with 2 dice
[02:19:32] <toastyde1th> first digit, second digit
[02:19:35] <PetefromTn_> jeez man you guys are just so helpful.
[02:19:36] <XXCoder> ahh
[02:19:45] <XXCoder> yes that makes sense.
[02:19:48] <XXCoder> thanks
[02:19:51] <toastyde1th> np
[02:20:33] <XXCoder> its flippin' hot here
[02:20:35] <XXCoder> 90f
[02:20:42] <XXCoder> last hurrah of summer here
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[05:13:38] <anarchos2> remember kids, 0.02inch is a lot different than 0.02mm!!
[05:13:45] <anarchos2> broke my first end mill :(
[05:14:03] * archivist giggles
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[05:27:56] <tjtr33> when the plane landed in HongKong, all the little TFT screen were powering down.
[05:28:10] <tjtr33> I saw the linux penguin at top but the line shuffled out before I got a whiff of the distro used. cool tho.
[05:28:18] <tjtr33> Cathay Pacific
[05:29:37] <tjtr33> touchscreen media jukebox, maybe media-buntu
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[05:46:39] <anarchos2> tjtr33, one time on an air canada flight i was able to bring up the window manager by flexing the beazel outwards and tapping "underneath" it
[05:46:58] <tjtr33> haha, thats cool
[05:46:58] <anarchos2> tjtr33, i couldn't do anything interesting, just thought it was kinda cool :P
[05:47:36] <anarchos2> there was a desktop with two icons, one brought up the inflight entertainment system, and the other did nothing :P
[05:47:36] <tjtr33> i saw a hi speed spindle speed sensor sensor ( like up to 150Krpm) here
http://www.chiarey.com/products-en.html
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[05:47:44] <anarchos2> well it popped up a black window and then did nothing
[05:47:52] <anarchos2> for 1/10th of a second
[05:48:24] <tjtr33> and i do know the guy so it is a shamelss plug ( but it works )
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[05:48:46] <anarchos2> how much $$?
[05:48:49] <tjtr33> hmm the web page just loaded for me, you got unicode on? i only see the title on Big5
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[05:49:17] <tjtr33> i didnt ask, but the guy was in CHina fighting cheap copies ( chasing cats )
[05:49:35] <anarchos2> tjtr33, no i meant the second icon on the in flight system popped up a black window for 1/10th of a second :P
[05:51:13] <tjtr33> again dunno, i drilled down thru 4 menues, 3 ways ( Big5/traditional & english )
[05:52:18] <tjtr33> since it doesnt touch he avoids the bearing speed issues of some european products
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[05:52:59] <tjtr33> duh, make that Big5/simplified/english
[05:53:48] <tjtr33> dbl doh, the linux wndo mgr did that blank thing
[05:54:14] <tjtr33> hey i just spent 18 hrs in a chair!
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[06:01:31] <tjtr33> gnite
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[07:09:55] <Deejay> moin
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[07:29:34] <digshadow> CaptHindsight: don't know if you remember me from earlier, but ended up install 12.04 and doing the instructions on the UpdatingTo2.6 page
[07:29:41] <digshadow> it all went reasonably smooth
[07:29:44] <digshadow> and cutting first part right now
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[08:30:30] <MrSunshine> hmm i wonder at what temp a cpu starts to slow down ...
[08:30:43] <MrSunshine> had some thermal issues with the laptop ... it runs quite hot ... 80+ deg C :P
[08:31:10] <archivist> time to clean it
[08:31:17] <MrSunshine> did it not long ago :/
[08:31:29] <MrSunshine> im afraid the paste has hardened on the cpu/graphics card
[08:31:45] <MrSunshine> problem with this freakin thing is that it takes an hour to disassemble it to get to cleaning it
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[10:40:41] <MrSunshine> heh, i think i found the problem with the thermal issues ....
[10:41:49] <MrSunshine> http://i62.tinypic.com/2ps15qe.jpg
[10:41:54] <MrSunshine> thats the graphics card thermal paste :P
[10:41:59] <MrSunshine> charred ...
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[14:05:14] <PetefromTn_> Morning folks!
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[14:23:44] <jdh> whuttup p3t3
[14:24:03] <PetefromTn_> meh not much you?
[14:24:16] <jdh> back from biking
[14:24:28] <PetefromTn_> finished up a tig welding job yesterday and just relaxing this morning.
[14:24:35] <PetefromTn_> Oh yeah what kind of biking?
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[14:31:14] <jdh> plain old road biking.
[14:31:29] <jdh> did 101 miles yesterday. 15 today with my wife.
[14:31:44] <PetefromTn_> WOAH that is some serious riding man.
[14:32:24] <PetefromTn_> I ride my custom built short wheelbase recumbent bike with my wife and kids on the local greenbelt sometimes.
[14:32:27] <Jymmm> Motorcycle or Bicycle?
[14:32:33] <jdh> bicycle
[14:33:23] <Jymmm> Did you stop at every red light and stop sign?
[14:34:06] <jdh> perhaps.
[14:34:26] <Jymmm> Uh huh
[14:35:10] <jdh> zero lights yesterday. very few stop signs. it is a very rural route
[14:36:28] <PetefromTn_> Thats one nice thing about our local greenbelt....there are no stopsigns or traffic lights.
[14:37:01] <Jymmm> Around here, they are notorious for running lights in semi-busy intersections, with little to no visability of cross traffic. so I have litle empathy for them.
[14:37:09] <jdh> me either.
[14:37:54] <PetefromTn_> In fact the only time you have to stop is for a single road that crosses the greenbelt and there are lots of caution signs and warnings before you get there. We usually get off and walk across.
[14:37:59] <jdh> I do whatever is safest for me. Sometimes that involves running lights to avoid the traffic rush as the light changes.
[14:38:44] <PetefromTn_> Sometimes we head up into the Great Smokies National Park and ride around the Cades Cove Loop road. Beautiful scenery there.
[14:38:55] <jdh> but, I don't just run through them, I just leave before it changes, depending on light/traffic pattern
[14:39:05] <Jymmm> Most just blow thru the light. I don't even see them loking around for crosstraddic.
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[15:11:45] * Loetmichel just sorted his LED-stash... it seems i am kind of a hoarder ;-) -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=15253
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[17:32:48] <XXCoder> http://lab.whitequark.org/notes/2014-07-08/cnc3020t-poor-positioning-accuracy/ interesting
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[17:42:26] <kfoltman> Z 0.3mm off?
[17:43:26] <archivist> a lot for quality, a little for junk
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[17:44:07] <XXCoder> kf yeah look on some chinese high quality work there too
[17:44:19] <kfoltman> XXCoder: "Third, apparently they also have forgot to lubricate the linear ball bearings; there is both no apparent lubricant and after wiping the rails with a tissue, the only thing that’s left is the rails metal, ground to fine powder."
[17:44:25] <XXCoder> exactly
[17:44:30] <kfoltman> I've seen it on my rails
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[17:45:32] <XXCoder> theres good tips there too so I favorited it
[17:45:46] <XXCoder> I need to clean and lubucate my rails evenually which is from chinese
[17:45:56] <kfoltman> but, the "piece of teflon as a ballnut replacement" is probably a new low :D
[17:45:59] <archivist> a lot of stuff needs servicing before you use it
[17:47:03] <kfoltman> I'm just using some 3-in-1 instead of it running totally dry, there are probably some much better options
[17:47:28] <XXCoder> maybe lathinium grease or simple oil for me
[17:47:34] <kfoltman> lithium? :P
[17:47:43] <XXCoder> I wont add em till I can clean it off first
[17:47:53] <XXCoder> yeah lathinium grease lemme find it
[17:48:22] <XXCoder> http://www.homedepot.com/p/Blaster-11-oz-White-Lithium-Grease-16-LG/202529735?N=5yc1vZc24p
[17:48:40] <XXCoder> not too sure on what to use but one of options.
[17:49:32] <kfoltman> ok, so he's using "oil super lube" with PTFE for the bearings
[17:49:53] <XXCoder> Or maybe X-Y lube LOL
[17:50:07] <kfoltman> XXCoder:
http://i.imgur.com/it7TAL4.jpg
[17:50:22] <XXCoder> fine work indeed
[17:50:27] <kfoltman> not VERY fine
[17:50:47] <XXCoder> I see couple error
[17:51:04] <kfoltman> I mean, the width is not consistent
[17:51:04] <XXCoder> but workable I see no cut or incomplete cut traces
[17:51:23] <XXCoder> ah yeah not quite correct
[17:52:07] <kfoltman> it's still within the spec, so I'm happy enough
[17:52:52] <kfoltman> it might matter more if I tried to go for finer pitch
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[17:53:59] <XXCoder> probably could go around refining design so its more accurate
[17:55:51] <kfoltman> the guy in your article quotes some absurdly low speeds
[17:56:12] <kfoltman> I mean, 11.7mm/s maximum Z velocity?
[17:56:23] <XXCoder> damn
[17:56:25] <XXCoder> thats slow
[17:57:08] <XXCoder> heh at work couple parts was et to 5 ipm
[17:57:22] <XXCoder> half inch took few minutes lol and its not cutting anything
[17:57:27] <XXCoder> so i changed it to 25 :P
[17:58:08] <XXCoder> note that is with 10% speed so actually 0.05 ipm
[17:58:37] <XXCoder> its screwed up solidworks part :P but at end its fine
[17:59:37] <kfoltman> on the other hand, it's Z axis, you don't need a lot of speed there (in fact, less speed might be better, you get to hit the e-stop after typing z-20 instead of z20 by mistake :D)
[18:00:43] <kfoltman> they quote 3000mm/min which is about right
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[18:06:39] <zbychuk> Hi. I did a test run of LinuxCNC LiveDVD od my most powerfull computer (motherboard MSI Z77A-GD80 and Intel Core i7-3770K CPU). I got Max Jitter of about 7500ns.
[18:08:15] <skunkworks_> powerful and good latency don't necessary go together
[18:08:21] <skunkworks_> but those numbers are good
[18:08:33] <zbychuk> The thing is that I don't want to use computer that powerfull for linuxcnc.
[18:10:32] <zbychuk> can you recomend a motherboard (I prefer MiniITX with Intel Atom) that will allow me to build a low power computer with low latecy.
[18:10:32] <XXCoder> kf interesting
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[18:11:57] <skunkworks_> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Latency-Test
[18:12:39] <zbychuk> Or something with low cost intel processor with integrated graphics which has accelerated driver.
[18:13:53] <zbychuk> Thanks
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[18:28:24] <CaptHindsight> zbychuk: are you going to use software stepping or an FPGA card?
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[18:38:01] <Jymmm> What's a good way to remove surface rust while still trying to maintain a nice finish?
http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/1/0/3/7/6/3/2/webimg/782784443_o.jpg
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[18:41:50] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: are you looking for something like this?
http://www.instructables.com/id/Electrolytic-Rust-Removal-aka-Magic/?ALLSTEPS
[18:42:34] <archivist> or very fine wet and dry paper after a light wire brush
[18:43:36] <archivist> I need to do some more before and after pics for the various methods
[18:45:29] <archivist> there is pitting on the plain part of that shaft, can never be perfect, depends on quality required
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[18:46:24] <archivist> and it looks blued
[18:46:25] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: That might work. Just not sure how to seal the ends well enough to NOT enter the barrel.
[18:46:42] <Jymmm> archivist: it is blued.
[18:47:03] <archivist> internally probably needs some treatment/cleaning too
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[18:48:24] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: maybe plug with wax
[18:48:35] <Jymmm> True, It's rifled, so I don't know how that would effect it
[18:48:59] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: OH good idea! I have some museum max too!!!
[18:49:06] <Jymmm> wax*
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[18:54:17] <JT-Shop> when you remove the rust you will be left with the pits the rust came from so not a smooth surface anymore
[18:56:09] <CaptHindsight> yeah, the rsut in that pic looks as deep as the stamped markings
[18:56:31] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: wet sand paper?
[18:56:42] <archivist> take to an expert to refinish
[18:57:07] <Jymmm> archivist: I'm not trying to restore it, just mostly clean it up.
[18:57:37] <Jymmm> Then apply "something" to protect it.
[18:58:16] <archivist> you may get away with a cold gun blue preparation, try on some scrap first
[18:58:39] <Jymmm> Can do
[18:59:08] <Jymmm> There's a "Hot" bluing?
[18:59:43] <archivist> real bluing is hot but that may affect the metal
[18:59:56] <Jymmm> ah, ok.
[19:00:19] <Jymmm> affect in what way? temper?
[19:00:32] <archivist> I have no idea what temper barrels are left in
[19:00:52] <Jymmm> Gotcha.
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[19:02:00] <JT-Shop> a bath in HCL then baking soda will remove all the rust
[19:02:27] <Jymmm> Actually, may not be a big deal. Since I don't have a lathe, I'm just using old barrel to make a 12ga flare gun, so it may not matter too much.
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[19:05:39] <zbychuk> I will use software stepping
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[19:08:07] <CaptHindsight> zbychuk: linuxcnc is only up to kernel 3.4 with RTAI in the official release, the accelerated drivers for some of the newer intel mini-itx boards require 3.12
[19:09:43] <CaptHindsight> zbychuk: we have RTAI working with 3.14 but it's not in the official release yet
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[19:12:03] <zbychuk> CaptHindsight: I run LinuxCNC DVD on my big computer without any changes in the BIOS. I have d2700mud motherboard, but i got 35000ns max jitter. If I will get about 7000ns or less on some low cost system the I will be fine.
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[19:13:38] <zbychuk> CaptHindsight: where i can get unofficial release?
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[19:14:19] <CaptHindsight> zbychuk: there are no deb packages yet, you'd have to build the kernel and RTAI from scratch
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[19:17:07] <CaptHindsight> zbychuk:
https://github.com/NTULINUX/RTAI if you care to build it yourself
[19:18:10] <CaptHindsight> only tested on AMD so far
[19:22:01] <JT-Shop> some nut from Cali thinks I'm going to answer his text "is it still for sale?"
[19:22:52] <archivist> answer I dont know
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[19:23:13] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: "Yes, but at double the price"
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[19:29:02] <Tom_garage> JT-Shop what's your number so we cal all randomly txt you!
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[19:33:39] <JT-Shop> just put your cell number up here and I'll text you LOL
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[19:39:15] <Tom_shop> 555-1212
[19:40:13] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: 1-866-723-3697
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[19:44:53] <JT-Shop> no answer
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[20:49:28] <asah> anyone around to check my head on AC induction motor wiring?
[20:49:43] <asah> I am hooking up my spindle to my vfd
[20:49:51] <asah> and motor has 6 wires.
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[20:50:29] <asah> U1 V1 W1 and U2 V2 W2
[20:50:53] <asah> motor is labeled 380/660v
[20:51:10] <asah> and was originally setup with star start and delta run.
[20:51:29] <asah> I now am going to feed it with a VFD capable of feeding it 380V.
[20:53:42] <asah> Should I run these leads in parallel or series in my new VFD application? My inclination is to run them in series, but I am not entirely sure what the correct way to do that is.
[20:54:40] <asah> the schematics for the original mill has all three of the 2 phases(U2 V2 W2) wired together in the delta configuration.
[20:55:26] <asah> which makes sense.
[20:55:59] <asah> would love another opinion
[20:56:32] <asah> https://www.dropbox.com/s/o3seghxeooyyxf6/maho_400e_schematics_03.png?dl=0 is the original schematic setup.
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[21:39:21] <Nick001-shop> The motor plate should have the connections for 380 /660v. I would check that first to see what it's currently wired for
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[22:01:46] <archivist> asah, series/parallel are wrong for 3 phase motors, it is either Y (star) or delta, the connection cover should have the wiring diagram
[22:02:06] <archivist> but you can work it out
[22:03:37] <asah> this site has some info:
http://www.electricmotorwarehouse.com/motor_connection_diagrams.htm
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[22:03:51] <asah> says for delta: U1,W2 V1,U2 W1,V2
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[22:06:23] <archivist> you can test with a meter to check where the coils(windings) are
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