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[02:35:22] <anarchos2> hrm
[02:35:39] <anarchos2> the debian repo hasn't been updated to 2.6.3?
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[03:30:32] <zeeshan> man
[03:30:33] <zeeshan> whats going on
[03:30:38] <XXCoder> yo
[03:30:39] <zeeshan> im trying to indstall linuxcnc on a computer
[03:30:46] <zeeshan> and i cant make a damn bootable usb
[03:30:52] <zeeshan> it keeps giving me bs errors like
[03:31:02] <zeeshan> "vesamenu.c32: not a COM32R image"
[03:31:04] <zeeshan> when i try to boot
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[03:31:16] <zeeshan> im using rufus to make the bootable usb
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[03:34:07] <XXCoder> damn!
[03:34:10] <XXCoder> I want this.
http://hackaday.io/project/802-Fifth-Element-Stone-Mood-Lighting
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[03:36:10] <zeeshan> got it to work
[03:36:18] <zeeshan> the live cd comes with some old file of vesamenu.c32
[03:36:21] <zeeshan> thats why it didnt work
[03:36:27] <XXCoder> lol ok
[03:36:33] <zeeshan> haha XXCoder
[03:36:36] <zeeshan> 5th element ftw
[03:36:44] <XXCoder> yeah that was good campy movie
[03:37:05] <zeeshan> multipass!
[03:37:12] <zeeshan> AZIZ
[03:37:14] <zeeshan> LIGHT
[03:37:29] <zeeshan> sweet
[03:37:32] <zeeshan> so now i have 3 computers
[03:37:35] <zeeshan> one for lathe
[03:37:39] <zeeshan> one for mill and one for plasma
[03:37:47] <XXCoder> is any of those functional?
[03:37:47] <zeeshan> i just need steppers =/
[03:37:54] <zeeshan> what do you mean
[03:38:38] <XXCoder> lathe mill plasma any of those machines functional? heh
[03:38:42] <zeeshan> haha now
[03:38:44] <zeeshan> nop
[03:38:57] <zeeshan> im gonna build the mill first
[03:39:00] <zeeshan> then plasma
[03:39:12] <zeeshan> or i should do plasma first
[03:39:19] <zeeshan> and do it stupid cheap
[03:39:32] <XXCoder> well
[03:39:44] <XXCoder> whatever machine that helps you make other 2 faster should be first
[03:39:55] <zeeshan> thats a good point
[03:39:59] <zeeshan> then it should be a mill
[03:40:11] <zeeshan> the only thing is, with the mill ill need to convert to ball screws
[03:40:12] <zeeshan> and thats $$$
[03:40:16] <zeeshan> and i cant make up my mind on atc
[03:40:20] <zeeshan> with the plasma its simpler
[03:40:31] <zeeshan> and the steppers need to be like 400oz-in
[03:40:46] <zeeshan> or even smaller
[03:40:50] <zeeshan> so i can use cheapo drivers
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[03:41:18] <XXCoder> whats it currently using? it may be precise enough to make parts
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[03:41:28] <zeeshan> its using nothing
[03:41:30] <zeeshan> its not even built
[03:41:33] <zeeshan> its sitting in CAD
[03:41:44] <zeeshan> i only want to hold 15 thou tolerance on the plasma
[03:43:32] <zeeshan> XXCoder: how much did you pay for your steppers
[03:43:33] <zeeshan> and drivers
[03:43:40] <zeeshan> i remember you got a 3 axis kit
[03:43:51] <XXCoder> http://www.ebay.com/itm/3Axis-Nema23-Stepping-Motor-110N-cm-3-0A-4wire-board-TB6560-Power-for-CMC-mill-/281188392513?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4178225e41
[03:44:56] <zeeshan> 155oz-in
[03:44:57] <zeeshan> hmm
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[03:45:01] <zeeshan> i want at least 400oz-in
[03:45:13] <XXCoder> yeah its not all powerful
[03:45:22] <XXCoder> it should be enough for my small cnc router
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[03:45:25] <zeeshan> they'll all be direct driven
[03:45:26] <XXCoder> if I ever build it :(
[03:45:28] <zeeshan> for me
[03:46:35] <zeeshan> http://www.ebay.com/itm/3Axis-Nema-23-Stepper-Motor-425oz-in-3-0A-Driver-DM542A-CNC-Router-/281166293301
[03:46:35] <zeeshan> damn
[03:46:37] <zeeshan> thats so cheap
[03:46:53] <XXCoder> yeah
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[03:47:18] <zeeshan> oh
[03:47:21] <zeeshan> 95$ shipping
[03:47:21] <zeeshan> lol
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[03:47:34] <XXCoder> yeah I paid 60 for mine
[03:47:46] <zeeshan> its about as much
[03:47:51] <zeeshan> to get it from automationtechnologies
[03:48:00] <zeeshan> thing is i dont need their shitty power supply
[03:48:21] <zeeshan> i dont trust those switched mode power supplies any more
[03:48:23] <zeeshan> after mine blew up
[03:50:03] <XXCoder> ow
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[04:18:02] <anarchos2> what might it mean if my motors start making clunking sounds and not moving but making whirring sounds after 24IPM, yet it does the exact same thing under load?
[04:18:44] <anarchos2> like...i thought it was just maxing out the motors, but under load i shouldn't be able to run just as fast as when just jogging, right?
[04:39:48] <cradek> that sounds pretty normal. the power reduction as the motors speed up is a huge effect, and I bet your load is small.
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[06:03:19] <zeeshan> sweet
[06:03:29] <zeeshan> the indenters came out nice
[06:03:44] <zeeshan> a2 is wayyy softer than stainless
[06:03:55] <zeeshan> it machines in my opinion nicer than mild steel
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[06:11:43] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/RVRHCVT.jpg
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[06:23:40] <toastydeath> ?
[06:24:00] <toastydeath> a2 isn't hard until you make it hard
[06:24:06] <toastydeath> then
[06:24:07] <toastydeath> good luck
[06:24:39] <zeeshan> yes
[06:24:50] <zeeshan> but i was expecting it to be harder to machine than regular steel
[06:25:12] <toastydeath> most people fuck up stainless by accidentally work hardening it
[06:25:27] <toastydeath> and not realizing it's happening
[06:25:42] <zeeshan> hehe
[06:25:48] <zeeshan> you gotta give a lot of feed
[06:25:50] <zeeshan> for stainless
[06:26:07] <zeeshan> to get the chips to carry the heat out
[06:26:31] <toastydeath> not quite the reason why but the action is correct
[06:27:33] <zeeshan> whats the reason
[06:28:09] <toastydeath> all the shear deformations on the lattice
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[06:29:16] <toastydeath> goes from a fairly large crystalline structure in the soft state, then a whole shitload of shear happens
[06:29:36] <toastydeath> since stainless can support huge displacements in the structure, it gets quite hard before it breaks
[06:29:57] <toastydeath> so anywhere it's been cut is much harder than the bulk material
[06:30:29] <zeeshan> makes sense
[06:36:10] <archivist> work hardening is also why some mild steels machine badly
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[06:56:05] <Deejay> moin
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[08:45:16] <MrSunshine> anyone know of an easy way to remove end grain "flashing" in V grooved stuff in wood ?
[08:45:22] <MrSunshine> its kinda a huge pita =)
[08:47:36] <MrSunshine> maybe lower cutting speed .. but then it will take so much longer to cut :P
[08:51:12] <archivist> how fast and sharp at the moment
[08:52:09] <MrSunshine> huh ? =)
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[08:52:40] <MrSunshine> noticed stuff that will require me to lower the speed tho ... its kinda bumby in the cuts ... when it reaches full speed (2500mm/min) cutting speed
[08:52:46] <MrSunshine> cutting -> feed
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[08:53:02] <MrSunshine> the cutter is resonably new ... =)
[08:53:11] <archivist> wood usually demands very high rpm and very sharp cutters for good results
[08:53:47] <MrSunshine> 24k rpm is the spindle
[08:53:56] <MrSunshine> tho i might dial back on the feed and it might get better
[08:54:16] <MrSunshine> wood is kinda tricky ive noticed ... the fast growing wood is a real pita to cut and get clean edges :/
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[08:55:11] <archivist> yup use wood suited to machining
[08:55:13] <MrSunshine> and V groove bits i cant find any that spirals ... i guess its a kinda hard geometry for them to make =) so its only the straight cutter models :/
[08:56:05] <MrSunshine> archivist, its kinda hard when its a "service" to redo stuff for others, right now im working on a dresser cutting in patterns in the drawers on it
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[08:56:52] <Loetmichel> mornin'
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[08:59:04] <archivist> might be better to think on the cutter alignment and direction to get fewer breakouts, i.e. dont let broken cam use the wrong cutting direction
[08:59:56] <MrSunshine> its not breakouts .. its flashing over the whole cutting area (not just edge flashing .. thats easy to remove) ... if i got a V its all over the side of the V =)
[09:03:25] <MrSunshine> sucks that i did not take pictures of it before i painted it (this is a personal project so no biggie on the flashing there but .. :P )
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[09:42:35] <SpeedEvil> MrSunshine: pick a different wood?
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[09:52:18] <MrSunshine> SpeedEvil, i cannot pick when the freakin things are already made of it .. im just decorating already existing stuff :P
[09:55:16] <SpeedEvil> ah
[09:55:25] <SpeedEvil> Well - you can make the stuff yourself
[09:55:39] <SpeedEvil> :)
[09:56:09] <SpeedEvil> i assume you're doing random patterns with no long straight lines?
[09:56:16] <MrSunshine> yes, but its nice to be able to reuse alredy made stuff =)
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[09:57:28] <SpeedEvil> is it to be painted ?
[09:57:48] <MrSunshine> http://i60.tinypic.com/28l413o.jpg
[09:58:08] <MrSunshine> SpeedEvil, yes, but the fluff on the edges still shows ... even if i were to putty over it etc =)
[09:58:31] <MrSunshine> doesnt show on that picture tho i think but thats the current project .. crap wood from ikea :P
[09:59:04] <MrSunshine> grown like 4cm/year :P
[09:59:13] <SpeedEvil> first - as has been mentioned - really, really, really sharp cutters
[09:59:33] <MrSunshine> mm
[09:59:37] <SpeedEvil> is this several-off, or production/
[09:59:40] <MrSunshine> but cant change cutter for every drawer :/
[09:59:47] <MrSunshine> nah .. special projects
[10:00:13] <SpeedEvil> sharpening the cutter first however is an option
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[10:00:19] <SpeedEvil> before beginning
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[10:01:55] <SpeedEvil> Also - if you're trying to cut flat panels with 'v' that's basicallycomplete failure
[10:02:02] <SpeedEvil> you need a bull-nosed bit
[10:02:31] <MrSunshine> it has a 0.7mm flat on the end
[10:02:48] <SpeedEvil> right - that has fuck all cutting speed
[10:02:48] <MrSunshine> and i raw cut the bulk with an spiral end mill
[10:02:51] <SpeedEvil> ah
[10:03:21] <SpeedEvil> If this is several off - get out a bit of sandpaper, and tidy up the edges
[10:03:36] <SpeedEvil> maybe 5 min per drawer
[10:04:08] <SpeedEvil> A dremel with a sanding drum will let you clean up most of it
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[10:04:15] <SpeedEvil> the edges - that is
[10:04:28] <SpeedEvil> if you need to go somewhat quicker
[10:04:53] <MrSunshine> i was thinking if there was some scotchbright discs for dremel or something =()
[10:04:54] <MrSunshine> =)
[10:04:55] <SpeedEvil> If it is just fuzz - a blowtorch run fast over the surface may also work
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[10:05:23] <MrSunshine> its quite large fibers that gets bent ... probably due to the wood being non dense so it deforms it :/
[10:06:01] <SpeedEvil> i assume it's mosty at the base of teh grooves that you're seeing it?
[10:06:07] <MrSunshine> hmm, atm its climb cutting also, might help to conventionaly cut it ? =)
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[10:06:18] <MrSunshine> SpeedEvil, nah over the whole side of the cut
[10:06:38] <MrSunshine> bu its only some places. . not everywhere =)
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[10:07:02] <MrSunshine> specialy at the summer wood places =)
[10:07:08] <MrSunshine> i think its summer wood .. the less dense wood
[10:07:19] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[10:08:15] <SpeedEvil> the silly solution - route out the whole rectangle, and applique something on
[10:09:28] <MrSunshine> oh well, i guess one shouldnt be to afraid of some elbow greace but .. would be nice if the machine could cut it a bit nicer .. but might try conv/climb milling and different speeds and stuff =)
[10:09:41] <MrSunshine> maybe not so big cut depth either (this is 5mm deep)
[10:15:53] <The_Ball> Just made a fume extractor arm:
https://wigen.net/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=01ca0f0c8b53215c313986e700c6e83c&download
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[10:16:39] <MrSunshine> oh!
[10:16:40] <MrSunshine> smart
[10:17:15] <The_Ball> just pcv tube and bends and a couple of 3d printed parts
[10:17:19] <Loetmichel> The_Ball: that looks familliar
[10:17:32] <Loetmichel> did something similar for the old CNC mill ages ago...
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[10:18:47] <The_Ball> inspiration
http://www.fumair.co.uk/products/ventilated-hoods-enclosures-workstations/localised-fume-extract-arms/
[10:18:58] <The_Ball> but this costs <$50 hehe
[10:20:08] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/hajo/sauuuug.avi
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[10:28:25] <The_Ball> Loetmichel, wow, that's a lot of tubing
[10:30:34] <Loetmichel> The_Ball: the flexible tubes got ground away by the glass dust in no time
[10:30:46] <Loetmichel> so i thought of something more rigid ;-)
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[10:47:16] <The_Ball> Loetmichel, ah, were you cutting glass fibre?
[10:48:09] <Loetmichel> The_Ball: yes
[10:48:29] <Loetmichel> the mill was for a model plane company
[10:48:44] <Loetmichel> so it mostly cut carbon, glass fibre and plywood
[10:48:51] <Loetmichel> (and balsa fo course)
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[10:49:02] <The_Ball> sweet, love my rc planes
[10:49:19] <Loetmichel> thing slike this:
http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=4921&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
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[10:49:43] <Loetmichel> thats 3mm balsa laminated with 2 sheets of 80gr glass
[10:50:19] <The_Ball> that's a very small cutter, 1mm?
[10:50:42] <The_Ball> and is that a vacuum table?
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[10:52:54] <Loetmichel> no, its a 2mm cutter
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[10:53:11] <Loetmichel> and a particle board sacificial plate
[10:53:22] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/MC/loebabofertig.avi <-. finished "product"
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[11:02:10] <Loetmichel> The_Ball: the grid is 50mm apart
[11:02:22] <Loetmichel> on the mill-tru-plate
[11:02:30] <Loetmichel> this machine was HUGE
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[11:54:04] * JT-Shop forgets what is run and what is stop I or O
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[13:34:17] <archivist> who did that flying wire rig in linuxcnc?
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[14:12:48] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, nice weld repairs.. they almost look new
[14:14:33] <Jymmm> If I could fasten two pieces of metal together with two 1/4-20 bolts securely. Could I do the same/better with multiple 4-40 screws instead?
[14:14:50] <Tom_itx> that's what the aircraft industry thinks
[14:15:05] <Jymmm> hmmm?
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[14:15:21] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx, thanks
[14:15:27] <Tom_itx> lots n lots of rivets instead of one big one
[14:15:48] <Tom_itx> Jymmm really depends on the application
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[14:15:53] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: But is that a GOOD thing?
[14:16:06] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx, now the controls are tight and smooth and the blade is sloppy
[14:16:07] <Tom_itx> i dunno, planes still fall outta the sky
[14:16:22] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, guess what your next project will be?
[14:16:46] <Tom_itx> how are the drive sprockets?
[14:18:07] <JT-Shop> the undercarriage is in good shape except for a couple of track rollers
[14:19:58] <SpeedEvil> Jymmm: even pressure across a lot of fixings is in general better in all ways than point loads
[14:21:37] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: Ok, that makes sense. Would a consistent torque be a critical factor?
[14:22:53] <Jymmm> The two pieces of metal would be under a "sheering load" (if that makes sense)
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[14:23:04] <SpeedEvil> not really - as long as clamping pressure is not high enough to strip threads
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[14:25:27] <Jymmm> No, no, nothing like that. Just wanted to make sure that if they were tightened at slightly different torque, it wouldn't be a critical factor is all.
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[14:30:42] <SpeedEvil> As long as it doesn't pull out - clamping pressure - and subsequent resistance to lateral movement - is proportional to torque
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[14:31:47] <Jymmm> Well, it's the last one I don't know about and why I ask =)
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[16:45:40] <MrHindsight> does anyone have a favorite lighting controller that uses the powerline for networking?
[16:46:36] <SpeedEvil> Lightswitches
[16:47:16] <MrHindsight> this is for area lighting not stage and effects
[16:48:57] <MrHindsight> senses the motion of warm meatsacks in the area, monitors time on/off etc
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[17:55:11] <Jymmm> \msg ve7it Aint she purrty, I fear the price tag...
http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/hamhf/3991lrg.jpg
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[18:18:59] <JT-Shop> is there any drawing programs that can draw electrical ladder or schematics for free?
[18:20:39] <archivist> more than one for schematics, kicad for starters
[18:21:56] * JT-Shop looks
[18:23:28] <archivist> and the other well know one is gEDA
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[18:25:33] <JT-Shop> thanks
[18:27:47] <SpeedEvil> blender
[18:27:51] <SpeedEvil> muhahahhahah
[18:33:38] <Jymmm> TheDraw!
[18:36:33] <XXCoder> Paper and pencil
[18:37:04] <Jymmm> chisel and hammer
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[18:41:17] <JT-Shop> lol Digikey had a simple one and the drawing is done
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[19:28:29] <JT-Shop> anyone have a clue what Gene is talking about on the user mailing list?
[19:28:38] <JT-Shop> topic gedit tools
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[19:29:41] <XXCoder> http://welldonestuff.com/sculptural-lighting-fixture/
[19:29:47] <XXCoder> easy to do with cnc :)
[19:30:48] <SpeedEvil> EAsy to do without CNC
[19:31:49] <XXCoder> I suppose
[19:31:59] <SpeedEvil> chop up sheet of ply into 128 bits, screw corners together, go round on a bandsaw in sets of 64
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[19:33:05] <Jymmm> Or.... Just lay the wood in the laser, and press start. remove piece, insert new sheet, press start, lather rinse, repeat =)
[19:33:24] <XXCoder> 128 bit lol
[19:33:34] <Rab> The edges look lasercut.
[19:33:34] <XXCoder> 2 64bit INT
[19:33:54] <SpeedEvil> Jymmm: the bandsaw may actually be rather faster
[19:34:02] <SpeedEvil> Oh yeah
[19:34:08] <SpeedEvil> burning the edges is an extra step :)
[19:34:09] <zeeshan> haha
[19:34:15] <zeeshan> you cant be serious
[19:34:18] <zeeshan> that a bandsaw would be faster
[19:34:27] <Rab> Don't forget the plastic part. That must have been done on a router.
[19:34:29] <zeeshan> unless youre planning to stack like all of those sheets!
[19:34:33] <SpeedEvil> zeeshan: yes, I can. Doing it in stacks of 64 a time
[19:34:46] <zeeshan> you'll but out of tolerance though
[19:34:47] <zeeshan> :)
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[19:36:07] <Rab> I'm not convinced this is good design.
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[19:36:10] <SpeedEvil> As an aside - I hate that you can't search youtube for videos you've watched
[19:36:23] <zeeshan> you cant?
[19:36:28] <SpeedEvil> There was a much nicer lamp of a similar conceptual design I saw
[19:36:34] <LeelooMinai> There's history
[19:36:36] <SpeedEvil> I mean - only videos I've watched
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[19:36:42] <Rab> And it's disheartening that they couldn't straighten the wood panels for the photoshoot. Unless that's intentional somehow.
[19:36:42] <zeeshan> i use history
[19:36:45] <SpeedEvil> LeelooMinai: yeah - but you can't search it
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[19:37:12] <SpeedEvil> LeelooMinai: So yes, I can look at the last 30 vids, and click 'load more' and ... - but I can't search probably 600 vids ago easily
[19:37:13] <LeelooMinai> SpeedEvil: ctrl-f? :)
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[21:14:59] <Solarlux> Hello all
[21:15:04] <Solarlux> Anyone know some dassault solidworks alternative
[21:15:04] <Solarlux> ?
[21:15:12] <Solarlux> Some software better than solidworks
[21:15:15] <Solarlux> ?
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[21:33:06] <jdh> and free?
[21:35:46] <Jymmm> heh
[21:35:52] <Jymmm> Well, JT-Shop got his SolidWorks free!
[21:36:46] <JT-Shop> not hardly
[21:37:34] * JT-Shop pays for SolidWorks every year out of my pocket
[21:37:47] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Well, the envelope the renewal bill was free
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[21:38:40] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: How much do you think you've paid over the years for SW? $40K total?
[21:40:08] <JT-Shop> 20k
[21:40:35] <Jymmm> Oh, I thought the renewals would have added up to that alone
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[21:54:46] <Deejay> gn8
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[22:05:16] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=YfFko5qhZtY lol
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[22:25:09] <LatheBuilder> 7i77 interface with relays...relay coils use 37 mA @ 24VDC and have flyback diodes built in. The way I am reading the 7i77 datasheet it looks safe to drive them direct. pcw_home sanity check me?
[22:26:19] <LatheBuilder> Previous control used dry contact reed switches to drive them.
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[22:29:08] <pcw_home> Yes that fine (even without the flyback diodes)
[22:29:23] <pcw_home> but check diode polarity
[22:32:01] <LatheBuilder> Will do. Thanks! Intending to use ENA1 for it (drive enable contactor).
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[22:33:22] <LatheBuilder> the 350mA rating on field outputs, I am assuming that is per each up to the total thermal limit cutoff?
[22:33:55] <LatheBuilder> or is that the sum limit?
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[22:34:50] <mozmck> I wonder if this is a good deal?
http://dallas.craigslist.org/mdf/tls/4626993674.html
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[22:35:54] <XXCoder> 2 of em
[22:35:54] <XXCoder> pretty cheap
[22:35:54] <XXCoder> seems so anyway dunno
[22:35:54] <mozmck> yeah, 2 for one price
[22:35:54] <SpeedEvil> is that a term for a lathe/
[22:36:08] <SpeedEvil> or i itsomething special
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[22:45:18] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/131288152475 $2,500 TBI CNC Chucker 8 station turret w/ Fanuc General Numeric GN 6 Series control
[22:45:44] <mozmck> what *does* chucker mean?
[22:45:50] <XXCoder> "probably quick fix" is codeword forn "its dead, jim.
[22:46:03] <Tom_itx> it chucks parts across the room
[22:46:03] <SpeedEvil> A machine to throw things.
[22:46:14] <PetefromTn_> it means it has a pneumatic or hydraulic collet chuch
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[22:46:17] <Tom_itx> especially if you don't clamp them in
[22:46:43] <toastyde1th> mozmck, chucker means there's no tailstock and it's built to work on stubby parts
[22:46:51] <SpeedEvil> PetefromTn_: so you might expect to feed a bar in, and out pop 45 little stubby parts?
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[22:46:54] <mozmck> collet? the ones on craigslist look like they have power chucks.
[22:46:55] <CaptHindsight> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_lathe#General_nomenclature
[22:47:16] <Tom_itx> we had a few with rotary tables on them so you could load forgings on the table for operations
[22:47:23] <toastyde1th> a power chuck does not mean it's a chucker
[22:47:56] <mozmck> Seems like most CNC lathes I've seen don't have a tailstock
[22:48:05] <toastyde1th> most cnc lathes can be called chuckers, yes
[22:48:19] <mozmck> ok
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[22:48:27] <toastyde1th> however it usually (not always) refers to machines that have MAJOR clearance issues
[22:48:31] <toastyde1th> with long parts
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[22:48:56] <toastyde1th> the entire hardinge *hnc line is a good example because the toolpost sits directly in line with the spindle
[22:49:08] <toastyde1th> and so if you want to work on a part that's 4" long, you need a 4" toolholder
[22:49:26] <PetefromTn_> http://knoxville.craigslist.org/tls/4591798853.html Wish I had the coin for this one... Looks like a good deal
[22:49:34] <toastyde1th> most "chucker" described cnc lathes are the same way - the turret is directly in line with the spindle and is a pain in the balls to work on long parts with
[22:49:41] <CaptHindsight> http://images.craigslist.org/00m0m_8okbx1WnjDo_600x450.jpg
[22:49:44] <mozmck> Interesting.
[22:50:58] <XXCoder> I finally took a close look at Hurco lathe cnc
[22:50:59] <toastyde1th> i, personally, hate the fuck out of any *HNC lathes by hardinge
[22:51:02] <XXCoder> its pretty awesome
[22:51:25] <toastyde1th> they're good for short, first-side production runs of low-aspect ratio parts
[22:51:30] <XXCoder> though if I was to be given a free hurco cnc or lathe cnc, I'd pick former
[22:51:54] <XXCoder> seriouslY i'd retrofit it with led lights
[22:51:58] <XXCoder> so old
[22:52:12] <toastyde1th> i would much rather have nearly anything else as a general purpose machine, and if i wanted a manual turret lathe i'd get a standard turret lathe with cross slide and capstan
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[22:53:59] <mozmck> toastyde1th: interesting - good stuff to know
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[22:54:44] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/XYZ-Proturn-410-CNC-Lathe-/171445937581 XYZ Proturn 410 CNC Lathe
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[22:55:02] <toastyde1th> i always wanted to try a proturn
[22:55:08] <XXCoder> I cant find hurco cnc anywhere for sale
[22:55:11] <XXCoder> must be damn expensive
[22:55:39] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Okuma-LC-30-CNC-Lathe-/261586080183 an Okuma in Dallas for $3K
[22:55:41] <toastyde1th> actually, I want to get an older Mazak or Leblonde cnc from the early 70s
[22:55:47] <mozmck> XXCoder: you mean like a hurco mill?
[22:56:12] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xv1BqN4yyXE
[22:56:25] <XXCoder> I use exactly same machine at work
[22:56:51] <mozmck> http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/tls/4637935584.html
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[22:57:08] <toastyde1th> if you are looking for a machine like that, look at maatsura and mori seiki instead
[22:57:23] <XXCoder> toast thanks but no way can afford something like it
[22:57:23] <toastyde1th> they make machines in the same form factor, same price range, many times more powerful and rigid
[22:57:27] <mozmck> That okuma is too large for me as well.
[22:57:44] <toastyde1th> that okuma is too large for most people and the tooling it takes is crazy expensive
[22:57:55] <toastyde1th> hope people like buying 1.25" toolholders
[22:57:59] <mozmck> I saw a leblond cnc here for 1000 with chucks and tooling.
[22:58:10] <toastyde1th> if you can fit it, leblond is a great machine
[22:58:11] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/HITACHI-SEIKI-4NE-600-CNC-TURNING-CENTER-FANUC-6TB-CONTROL-/281429082640 on Oklahoma
[22:58:18] <CaptHindsight> on/in
[22:58:20] <mozmck> it was gone before I could contact them
[23:00:05] <toastyde1th> i feel weird because 90% of the machining I'd do for myself and others i would prefer to do manually
[23:00:15] <toastyde1th> i can get it done way faster that way than dicking around with cnc
[23:00:28] <XXCoder> http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xhurco&_nkw=hurco&_sacat=0 interesting
[23:00:34] <mozmck> I will probably build a cnc lathe.
[23:00:37] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/daewoo-puma-12L-cnc-lathe-/151402255394 what happened to it?
[23:00:47] <toastyde1th> hogod I don't like daewoo
[23:00:50] <mozmck> for turning mostly wood banjo rims!
[23:00:51] <toastyde1th> stay away
[23:01:05] <toastyde1th> i used to run almost exactly that machine
[23:01:11] <XXCoder> outdoors for way too long
[23:02:00] <XXCoder> toast why stay away
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[23:02:10] <toastyde1th> it's big, and sucks for its size
[23:02:14] <toastyde1th> chatters a lot
[23:02:20] <toastyde1th> not all that powerful
[23:02:54] <toastyde1th> like, i always suggest that if you're going to get a machine in THAT form factor - true turning center
[23:03:15] <toastyde1th> that there is no reason to get anything but a good brand, because a mori seiki, okuma, ikeagi, etc are all the same price when they're that old
[23:03:37] <toastyde1th> even if you're getting a smaller machine, like a 10x20 in that footprint
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[23:04:38] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hitachi-Seiki-4NE-600-CNC-Turning-Center-/281424302581
[23:05:33] <SpeedEvil> Or a box with a chinese guy and a file.
[23:07:45] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lehmann-Lathe-/281410055803 looks like a WWII submarine engine
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[23:10:28] <CaptHindsight> http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTE5N1gxNjAw/z/lpYAAOxywTZSTIyz/$T2eC16JHJG8FGtFtU8WSBSTIyy6e9w~~60_57.JPG I like the industrial stool
[23:10:46] <XXCoder> lol
[23:11:30] <LeelooMinai> Few months more and one will be able to collect all of it in a bucket
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[23:12:17] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/No-4-Warner-Swasey-M-1420-Turret-Lathe/281418446563 I find these all the time for scrap prices or "just get it out of here"
[23:14:05] <toastyde1th> i drool over those
[23:14:21] <toastyde1th> i'd wait for a more recent one/slightly bigger, but yeah.
[23:14:49] <toastyde1th> if i had my choice most of my manual machine work would be done on a saddle turret lathe like that
[23:15:07] <toastyde1th> actually i guess that one's a capstan but the capstan's mobile
[23:15:13] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Warner-Swasey-no-5-turret-lathe-/111447882179 W&S #5
[23:15:44] <toastyde1th> depends on how much space I have
[23:15:54] <toastyde1th> a #5 would be nice with limited space
[23:16:11] <toastyde1th> but i'd get a smaller 2A if i had more - this one is waay overpriced
[23:16:14] <toastyde1th> http://www.ebay.com/itm/10296-Warner-Swasey-2A-Turret-Lathe-/281169101101?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4176fc012d
[23:16:24] <mozmck> My dad has a Gisholt - pretty large
[23:16:35] <mozmck> 19" chuck on it I believe
[23:16:42] <mozmck> 10hp
[23:16:44] <toastyde1th> here we go, this is pretty much exactly what i'd get
[23:16:44] <toastyde1th> http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-75-Hole-Warner-Swasey-2A-TURRET-LATHE-Saddle-Type-15-HP-3-Jaw-Chk-Taper-/400764930159?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5d4f73886f
[23:16:57] <toastyde1th> gisholt is also very nice
[23:17:27] <mozmck> I think he would sell it pretty cheap - just sitting there taking up room
[23:18:14] <toastyde1th> a lot of places will just give them away
[23:18:26] <toastyde1th> hobbyists don't want em because they're too big
[23:18:40] <toastyde1th> and businesses don't want em because they want to run as close to lights out as possible
[23:18:50] <XXCoder> toastyde1th: or require expensive setup
[23:18:55] <XXCoder> 2 phase or 3 phase power
[23:18:59] <toastyde1th> nah, the setup's easy
[23:19:04] <toastyde1th> not any harder than a cnc
[23:19:13] <CaptHindsight> I came across one a few years ago by the guy that used to run it. They had the attachments still in the original wax paper
[23:19:29] <toastyde1th> the bigger they are, the easier the setup tends to be because of the features on the lathe
[23:19:43] <toastyde1th> an HNC is harder to set up and use than a W&S or Gilsholt
[23:20:14] <toastyde1th> everything on a big turret lathe is easy to move around and index, you aren't hitting things with hammers and trying to get everything JUST SO
[23:20:23] <XXCoder> Suppose I get hurco vm10 for free (unlikely to extreme) how would I get it 3 phase power for example?
[23:20:40] <toastyde1th> <toastyde1th> hobbyists don't want em because they're too big
[23:20:42] <CaptHindsight> phase converter
[23:20:58] <toastyde1th> being big is part of that, if you don't have enough power to the house to run an RPC you're kinda fucked
[23:21:58] <XXCoder> how much power does it use. for example washer dryer uses a lot of power at 5k wat
[23:22:09] <XXCoder> while rpc uses what?
[23:22:23] <SpeedEvil> a 220v outlet - plus a VFD will pretty much do it
[23:22:24] <toastyde1th> rpc is a phase converter
[23:22:40] <SpeedEvil> VFD helps lots with startup currents which may fuse otherwise
[23:22:57] <toastyde1th> a 10hp machine is ~7.5 kw
[23:22:59] <XXCoder> cool. I dont think I will get large cnc anytime soon
[23:25:00] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-CE-TOP-QUALITY-220V-VARIABLE-FREQUENCY-DRIVE-INVERTER-VFD-7-5KW-10HP-34A-/180958238403 $345.60
[23:25:11] <XXCoder> not bad actually
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[23:25:48] <toastyde1th> if you want to run a manual machine an rpc is fine, but cncs require a vfd
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[23:25:57] <CaptHindsight> Inpute Voltage: 220V±15%
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