#linuxcnc | Logs for 2014-07-27

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[01:48:35] <scottcnc> any idea how i can tell where the 5i25 pci address is?
[01:48:43] <scottcnc> lspci shows this
[01:49:03] <scottcnc> 05:06.0 DPIO module: Device 2718:5125
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[01:51:03] <Tom_itx> does dmesg tell you?
[01:52:18] <pcw_home> why do you need the pci address?
[01:52:58] <scottcnc> there is a box for the first parport address
[01:53:04] <scottcnc> in pncconf
[01:53:09] <scottcnc> ahh crap dmesg
[01:53:24] <scottcnc> 458.820340] RTAI[math]: loaded. [ 458.897253] config string '0xec00 out ' [ 458.898293] PARPORT: ERROR: request_region(0xec00) failed
[01:53:35] <scottcnc> that cant be good?
[01:54:00] <scottcnc> i grepped for mesa , 5i25 in the dmesg output
[01:54:03] <scottcnc> didnt see anything
[01:54:08] <pcw_home> no addresses are needed for the 5i25 (the driver deal with that level of detail)
[01:54:17] <scottcnc> so just uncheck the box?
[01:54:38] <pcw_home> the 5i25 is not a parallel port
[01:54:58] <scottcnc> ahh yeah
[01:55:01] <scottcnc> good point
[01:55:44] <scottcnc> there are quite a few options for "Firmware" 5i25_7i74_7i77
[01:57:39] <scottcnc> 5i25_7i76x2
[01:58:07] <pcw_home> 7I74/7i77 would be rather exotic firmware to use
[01:58:57] <scottcnc> that was just the first one listed
[02:05:02] <scottcnc> is that the correct on? x2?
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[02:11:01] <pcw_home> if you have a 7I76 daughtercard, 7i76x2 is the one
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[03:44:48] <XXCoder1> http://jetandturbineowners.proboards.com/thread/53/landspeed-bike-diy-gas-turbine
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[03:53:05] <RyanS> Anyone do,much sheet metal work-- what's a good thickness, for making a drip tray. 0.5mmm ?
[03:53:21] <RyanS> steel
[03:53:44] <XXCoder1> 5'
[03:53:46] <XXCoder1> ;)
[03:55:38] <RyanS> in tool steel :p
[03:55:52] <XXCoder1> oh thats nice. 12 inches>?
[03:55:55] <XXCoder1> lol
[03:56:26] <RyanS> When are you Americans going to get rid of that ridiculous imperial system
[03:56:43] <XXCoder1> as soon as foot pound
[03:56:56] <XXCoder1> dont get those units lol theres also pound foot
[03:57:50] <RyanS> yards, fathoms
[03:57:56] <jdh> I thought we switched in 1976 or so
[03:59:11] <XXCoder1> few stuff is in metric but.. still imperial
[04:03:22] <RyanS> This is a good size http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Steel-sheet-road-plate-bench-2880mm-x-1825mm-x-75mm-very-heavy-duty-/111414227136?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item19f0ce30c0
[04:04:02] <XXCoder1> 75mm. pretty thick for drop tray I'd guess?
[04:04:16] <RyanS> naaaaah
[04:04:22] <RyanS> :p
[04:08:55] <XXCoder1> :)
[04:11:58] <XXCoder1> im at page 8 of that link I linked bit ago. amazing.
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[04:42:09] <tjtr33> RyanS, would gutter material for house be a model for thickness? thats a drip catcher
[04:43:31] <RyanS> ah yeh.. It seems like low carbon steel is what you want for folding
[04:47:30] <tjtr33> know of any configurable back plotters? my Hurco uses absolute XYIJ so linuxcnc and heekscnc show crop circles for arcs.
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[06:51:27] <Deejay> moin
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[07:10:42] <chris__> morning someone germanspoken on
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[07:22:01] <Deejay> yay, no time to wait more than one minute for an answer... :/
[07:22:41] <Jymmm> lol
[07:23:33] <Jymmm> but but but he waited a whole 1m13s =)
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[07:27:18] <XXCoder1> 13 seconds does matter lol
[07:27:48] <Deejay> hehe
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[07:30:15] <ReadError> thats just german efficiency
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[08:08:05] <Flipp> I'm stunned: my 3d printed mitre box worked O.o
[08:08:34] <Flipp> I was able to cut a threaded rod with a hacksaw and it was a super clean cut!
[08:08:48] <Flipp> ... aah, the joys of apartment living (neighbors would kill me if I got a mitre saw D:)
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[08:16:53] <archivist> time to get your own place
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[08:22:43] <Loetmichel> mornin'
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[08:48:32] <Flipp> archivist: heh, I wish. housing prices here in Seattle are stupidly high :(
[08:53:39] <archivist> but low in comparison to some areas in the UK
[08:57:37] <archivist> hmm 4 beds 139k way cheaper http://www.zillow.com/seattle-wa/#/homedetails/2002-18th-Ave-S-Seattle-WA-98144/48737367_zpid/
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[09:00:06] <somenewguy> anyone awake in here?
[09:01:02] <archivist> nope
[09:01:08] <somenewguy> dang
[09:02:03] <Loetmichel> nope. just bots here ;-)
[09:02:19] <somenewguy> haha
[09:02:35] * Loetmichel geht mal in die Küche, stellt die Tasse unter die Saeco. *Knöbbscher drügg* *RUUUIIIIIIIII* *KlackKlack* *KlackKlack* *Miiiieeerrrrk* *Brrrrrrr* *Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr* *Miiiiiiiifubb* ... Karamelsirup rein, Milch hinterher... *nipp* "aahh, guuuuut!"
[09:02:49] <Loetmichel> ... just woken up, first coffee ;-)
[09:02:55] <Deejay> :)
[09:03:09] <Loetmichel> (oh, that autotext is german... to lazy to translate it now ;-)
[09:03:12] <somenewguy> Im working on what I hope is my last coffee of hte night
[09:03:19] <somenewguy> its 5am here
[09:03:28] <Loetmichel> 11:03 am here
[09:03:41] <somenewguy> must be nice living in the future
[09:03:47] <Deejay> hrhr
[09:03:52] <archivist> another hour before mid morning coffee
[09:03:57] <somenewguy> is the interent much faster there?
[09:04:47] <somenewguy> spent all night wrestling my new compressor into place, i apoligize if I seem to think im funny
[09:05:10] <somenewguy> and for the record, 80 gallons is a lot bigger than 30 gal than I thought
[09:05:21] <somenewguy> it makes my shop look small, I don't know how to feel aobut it
[09:06:15] <somenewguy> but my real question is I bought a bag of 0 pilot drills, aka 1/8 shank
[09:06:26] <somenewguy> and I broke two already trying to spot drill the end of a bolt
[09:06:40] <somenewguy> I am wondering if they are worth saving to grind into engraving bits? they are only HSS
[09:08:17] <archivist> yes/no/depends
[09:09:20] * Loetmichel makes his engraving bits out of broken TC bits
[09:09:40] <Loetmichel> like this: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=8961
[09:14:36] <somenewguy> I really want to try doing some pcb "etching" and I figure I'll ruin plenty of bits, so why throw away good stock material lol
[09:14:51] <somenewguy> at least I bought double ended ones, I'm learning
[09:15:32] <somenewguy> when I get the nack of it I'll try using some of my broken 1mm carbide drills, which I regret not saving all those, cause this thought didn't occur to me, which is weird, i am usually a better hoarder than this
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[09:23:37] <Loetmichel> somenewguy: pcbs are glass fibre
[09:23:47] <Loetmichel> which will kill any hss bit in NO time
[09:23:52] <Loetmichel> use %TC bits for that
[09:23:55] <Loetmichel> -%
[09:25:05] <somenewguy> well I figure I will screw up the first few boards anyways, so why waste usefull bits
[09:25:17] <somenewguy> ohhhhh tungsten carbide
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[09:25:35] <Loetmichel> because HSS will NOT WORK at all
[09:25:42] <somenewguy> oh really
[09:25:45] <Loetmichel> use tungsten carbide!
[09:25:52] <somenewguy> I figured I'd make it a few traces, like a 1x1 pcb
[09:26:00] <somenewguy> r 25x25 depending on who u are
[09:26:05] <somenewguy> *or
[09:26:10] <Loetmichel> even a tc bit is dull after some 10 meters of siolation channel in FR4 pcb
[09:26:26] <somenewguy> good to know
[09:27:05] <Loetmichel> hss drills in fr4 last 3-5 holes, then they start to trow a "volcano" around the drill
[09:27:18] <somenewguy> since u have done this stuff, what do you usefor bits? vendor or part num would be slick for the lazy folks in us
[09:27:18] <Loetmichel> thats how long a hss engraver would last
[09:27:26] <Loetmichel> 5cm channel at best
[09:27:41] <somenewguy> I figured hss would be useless for drilling, but thought I might get away with it for test milling a bit
[09:27:45] <Loetmichel> only can give you a german source
[09:28:04] <somenewguy> well at least i would have a suggested style of bit
[09:28:13] <somenewguy> there is not much consesnus on the net as to what is the best style of cutter to do the job
[09:28:24] <Loetmichel> http://www.sorotec.de/shop/product_info.php/info/p179_vhm-fraesstichel-30-.html
[09:28:37] <Loetmichel> i use these or self ground like in the photo
[09:29:31] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=8958 <- these i have ground myself from blroken tc bits
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[09:31:24] <somenewguy> cool, that helps
[09:32:33] <MrSunshine_> also cncplus.de has engraving bits etc= )
[09:32:43] <Loetmichel> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMXxjT4nNxg
[09:32:53] <Loetmichel> the sorotec bits work really fine
[09:33:15] <kfoltman> Loetmichel: 10 meters at what cut depth?
[09:33:24] <Loetmichel> 0.1mm
[09:33:37] <kfoltman> z=-0.1mm?
[09:33:41] <kfoltman> do you use depth mapping?
[09:34:16] <Loetmichel> no
[09:34:30] <kfoltman> just a very straight table?
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[09:34:45] <kfoltman> cool
[09:35:19] <Loetmichel> i face off the sacrificial board prior to tapint hte pcb down
[09:35:23] <Loetmichel> taping
[09:35:49] <kfoltman> using what kind of bit?
[09:36:30] <Loetmichel> see above
[09:36:35] <Loetmichel> the sorotec link
[09:36:52] <Loetmichel> or did you mean for facing off?
[09:36:57] <somenewguy> or did u mean flycutter?
[09:37:07] <somenewguy> that sentence, was not what i was thinking
[09:37:17] <kfoltman> Loetmichel: yes, for facing off
[09:37:17] <Loetmichel> a simple 16mm slot bit for wood routers
[09:37:25] <Loetmichel> with 6mm shaft
[09:37:26] * somenewguy slowly removes hands from keyboard
[09:37:48] <kfoltman> Loetmichel: 6mm shaft, there's the problem (for me) ;)
[09:38:22] <Loetmichel> there are at least 8mm wide router bits for dremel wiht 1/8" shaft
[09:40:28] <Loetmichel> http://www.ebay.de/itm/DREMEL-Trio-3-tlg-Nutfraeser-Nut-Fraeser-Set-Neu-und-OVP-/390702521946?_trksid=p2054897.l4275
[09:40:33] <Loetmichel> see?
[09:40:36] <Loetmichel> even 12mm
[09:40:58] <Loetmichel> that will get the facing off a lot faster than using a 3mm bit ;-)=
[09:41:35] <Loetmichel> somenewguy: hmm?
[09:41:49] <kfoltman> better than trying to use styrofoam and an aluminium oxide bit ;)
[09:41:51] <Loetmichel> somenewguy: did you see the youtube vid?
[09:42:24] <somenewguy> no, my computer is mad at youtube this week, I blame my fiddling
[09:42:49] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14507 <- that is the result of the milling there
[09:42:59] <kfoltman> Loetmichel: "Schaftdurchmesser 4,8mm" :(
[09:43:12] <somenewguy> although funny enough, I think i have seen that video
[09:43:20] <Loetmichel> kfoltman: oh.
[09:43:39] <Loetmichel> but i KNOW that there were ones with 8mm head and 1/8" shaft
[09:43:47] <Loetmichel> i had them in my hands
[09:43:50] <somenewguy> were those tests at different depths?
[09:44:02] <somenewguy> or is that just an artefact of a not perfectly flat bed?
[09:44:02] <Loetmichel> no, that is the light
[09:44:14] <kfoltman> Loetmichel: another disadvantage of that method is that it's not so easy to switch between PCB milling and enclosure milling unless I have a huge working area
[09:44:17] <Loetmichel> they are perfectly the same widht
[09:44:39] <kfoltman> Loetmichel: because after removing the sacrificial board it's probably not so easy to put it exactly in the same place
[09:44:50] <Loetmichel> just the light plays tricks, one time you see the beveled copper , the next board you dont
[09:44:55] <somenewguy> oh ok
[09:44:55] <kfoltman> though, I might possibly leave it on...
[09:45:30] <somenewguy> looks like there is a little less copper left in the torp right pads of the left most board
[09:45:51] <Loetmichel> like i said: optics playing tricks
[09:45:52] <somenewguy> a trivially small amount, but I don't doubt the shine on the rest of the board is messing w/ my perception of the trace widths there
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[09:46:27] <somenewguy> see, board like that, just too damn pretty
[09:46:41] <Loetmichel> i assure you: in reailty its the same width all over
[09:46:42] <somenewguy> it is in no way worht it, I could just have a house etch me one w/ a pretty solder mask for minimal cost
[09:46:57] <somenewguy> but I just see something like that and I must make one myself lol
[09:47:12] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14501&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 <- nearly populated
[09:47:21] <somenewguy> ok what are the tadpole/infinity pads for on the top right of the boards?
[09:47:29] <somenewguy> trying to figure out hte layout
[09:48:14] <somenewguy> ah, the leds have smt resistors hiding back there?
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[09:48:44] <Loetmichel> right
[09:49:05] <somenewguy> I hope my board comes out half as neat
[09:49:27] <Loetmichel> it was a small 2*1W audio amplifier for a TFT monitor
[09:49:43] <somenewguy> waht do you layout in? eagle?
[09:50:02] <Loetmichel> and being for soldiers i had to mot any protunding knobs because they would have been broken off ;-)
[09:50:07] <Loetmichel> target 3001
[09:50:22] <Loetmichel> s/mot/omit
[09:50:46] <somenewguy> ah
[09:51:05] <somenewguy> well I'm doing it all in gEDA so wish me luck
[09:51:20] <somenewguy> I like the simple complexity of the software lol
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[10:39:44] <ssi> morn
[10:39:57] <ssi> Loetmichel: laser is lasin' :)
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[10:44:07] <Loetmichel> ssi: nice
[10:47:58] <ssi> test cut acrylic last night, just cut a piece of 5mm plywood, and it's doing great :D
[10:48:45] <SpeedEvil> :)
[10:49:03] <SpeedEvil> ssi: Do not neglect ventilation
[10:49:28] <ssi> yeah I know
[10:49:36] <ssi> I have the windows open in there and a fan running; best I can do for now
[10:49:44] <ssi> i'm going to have to build a tray and put a blower in
[10:49:54] <ssi> but first I have to finish the enclosure lexan
[10:54:25] <SpeedEvil> I would go so far as to say lash something up with cardboard first
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[10:56:55] <ssi> not really practical
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[10:59:23] <Jymmm> sure it is
[10:59:33] <Jymmm> cardboard and duct tape
[10:59:38] <Jymmm> problem solved
[11:00:27] <syyl> cardboardengineering!
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[11:25:18] <jthornton> what temperature do you need to normalize a weldment
[11:26:22] <Loetmichel> depends on the alloy
[11:26:50] <jthornton> A36
[11:26:54] <Loetmichel> i would try something around 250°c for a few hrs. for most steel
[11:27:00] <Loetmichel> to anneal it
[11:27:00] <jthornton> hot roll steel
[11:30:40] <jthornton> that sounds about right 500f or so
[11:48:06] <Tom_itx> jthornton, 'can't be done': http://65.57.255.42/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=24818
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[11:50:47] <jthornton> not sure what they are talking about there but it don't look like normalizing after welding
[11:51:04] <archivist> he want to normalise the weld to the surrounding already normalised metal
[11:51:15] <jthornton> aye
[11:51:23] <Tom_itx> i know :)
[11:51:34] <Tom_itx> i was just looking for the right temp
[11:51:49] <archivist> methinks if already normalised then you cannot normalise
[11:52:45] <Tom_itx> Jun 28, 2012 - ASTM A36 is the most commonly used mild and hot-rolled steel. ... Normalizing at 899C 954C (1650F-1750F); Annealing at 843C
[11:53:21] <Tom_itx> http://www.azom.com/article.aspx?ArticleID=6117
[11:53:23] <archivist> rough old crap
[11:58:39] <Loetmichel> Tom_itx: ouch
[11:58:42] <Loetmichel> THAT high?
[11:59:24] <Tom_itx> to confirm: http://www.metal-stock.com/site/stock/content/Structural%20Steel/Structural-steel_specs/HR%20A36%20spec.html
[11:59:46] <Tom_itx> Stress Relieve 1100 - 1250F. Typical Stress relieve soak time is one hour per inch of thickness.
[12:00:22] <jthornton> that's what I was looking for Tom_itx
[12:00:54] <Loetmichel> hmm, thats 625°c
[12:01:05] <Loetmichel> still much in my opinion
[12:01:15] <Loetmichel> but whne the manufacturer says so...
[12:01:25] <Tom_itx> probably a red to orange glow i'd guess
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[12:01:53] <syyl_ws> that sounds about right for normalising
[12:03:24] <Jymmm> jthornton: Now, THIS is my idea of a 3 wheeler... http://interestingengineering.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/big_wheel_drift_trike-10.jpg
[12:04:21] <Tom_itx> at least put an old bike engine on it
[12:04:31] <jthornton> that could be fun
[12:04:49] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: do you see an ground clerance? lol
[12:04:53] <Jymmm> any*
[12:05:09] <Tom_itx> about as much as a cart i used to have
[12:05:31] <Jymmm> jthornton: full article http://interestingengineering.com/big-wheel-drift-trike-brings-out-the-big-kid-in-adults/
[12:06:26] <Tom_itx> Jymmm, when i'd gear it down to run in an industrial parking lot the sprocket would drag sometimes
[12:06:51] <Jymmm> lol
[12:07:06] <Jymmm> why would you gear it down at all?
[12:07:24] <Tom_itx> not enough space to wind it up... would burn up the clutch
[12:07:39] <Jymmm> ah
[12:07:53] <Tom_itx> top speed ~80-100
[12:08:04] <Jymmm> electric version https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08rtQpDtTMo
[12:09:25] <Jymmm> whers the motor?
[12:09:44] <Jymmm> FWD??
[12:11:11] <Jymmm> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKvQ36fbxKM
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[12:15:51] <Jymmm> jthornton: Wanna race? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGO2MRGesow
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[12:28:11] <Jymmm> jthornton: It has a big block blower =)
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[16:58:22] <XXCoder1> yo
[16:58:25] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[16:59:53] <IchGuckLive> today weat harvest has been finished at 3800 tons
[17:00:18] <Loetmichel> wheat?
[17:00:29] <IchGuckLive> as you say
[17:00:33] <Loetmichel> winter wheat?
[17:00:39] <XXCoder1> dont rforget to send me 3% of profits. ;)
[17:00:44] <IchGuckLive> no normal one
[17:00:45] <Loetmichel> isnt that a bit early in year for summer wheat?
[17:01:08] <IchGuckLive> we are 4 weeks ahad this year
[17:02:18] <IchGuckLive> corn is now at the bluming state as it shoudt be in late august
[17:02:38] <IchGuckLive> still a leak in rain here
[17:05:02] <IchGuckLive> all mashines still out for straw press
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[17:18:54] <IchGuckLive> im off early as it has been a hard Hot and Dusty Day out in the fields
[17:19:07] <jdh> picking cotton all day?
[17:19:12] <IchGuckLive> not like ÜPhinix desert storm
[17:19:32] <IchGuckLive> ;-)
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[18:36:43] <gene78> Is PCW here abouts?
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[18:53:14] <pcw_home> yes for a bit
[19:05:29] <jasen_> hi all , can somebody tell me the url of the hostmot git sources
[19:05:36] <jasen_> master i mean
[19:07:41] <JT-Shop> git.linuxcnc.org
[19:09:35] <jasen_> and then?
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[19:13:33] <pcw_home> git pull
[19:13:34] <pcw_home> git checkout master
[19:13:36] <pcw_home> build
[19:13:45] <Jymmm> PROFIT!!!
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[19:16:37] <JT-Shop> jasen_, http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Installing_LinuxCNC#Getting_the_source_with_git
[19:22:05] <jasen_> git clone master url please , xilinx on windows
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[19:28:52] <pcw_home> any of the fpga card zip files at mesa have the latest source
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[20:25:48] <JT-Shop> well this sucks, I just finished entering all my checkbookdata into kmymoney and it won't let me enter any income
[20:26:57] * JT-Shop gives up looking for free accounting software
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[20:33:36] <pcw_home> that seems like a rather major oversight...
[20:35:32] <JT-Shop> odd, it has the income accounts built in...
[20:36:00] <XXCoder1> excel it up
[20:36:05] <XXCoder1> or open source version
[20:36:27] <JT-Shop> yea, I might have to go to a spreadsheet
[20:38:47] <jdh> wait for googlemoney
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[20:41:19] <JT-Shop> ah I figured out how I had to do it
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[20:50:37] <JT-Shop> yuck on 10.04 the kmymoney version is 1.~ and the latest is 4.6
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[21:29:33] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, i just use quicken :)
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