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[02:03:13] <ssi> I'm having a really hard time coming up with a drag chain configuration that can run 48" and maintain enough stiffness to stay out of places it shouldn't be
[02:03:17] <ssi> like in the beam :(
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[02:03:49] <Tom_itx> idler pulley?
[02:04:15] <ssi> on the gantry car?
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[02:04:31] <Tom_itx> yeah that might not work there
[02:05:16] <ssi> what's not helping is i have to run 1/4" nylon tubing through it, and that really increases the bend radius
[02:06:39] <ssi> also the gantry car completely encloses the gantry, so I have nowhere to attach a tray or ledge or something like that
[02:10:15] <CaptHindsight> please post pics of the problem
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[02:28:47] <q_p> how I can unpause a cnc after I use M00 ?
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[02:31:37] <q_p> how I can unpause a cnc after I use M00 ?
[02:32:35] <ssi> CaptHindsight: here's the best configuration I've come up with
[02:32:35] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bs36U7GIcAA4rml.jpg:large
[02:32:39] <ssi> major sag on the near end
[02:32:44] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bs36XVdIUAA7I-G.jpg:large
[02:32:46] <ssi> lift on the far end
[02:33:04] <ssi> I think I can mitigate the latter by making a hook on the gantry car which constrains the chain height
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[02:33:15] <ssi> that at least will make sure it can get underneath that top left rail
[02:33:19] <ssi> which right now it hits
[02:33:38] <ssi> but the sag I'm not sure what to do about
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[02:39:31] <CaptHindsight> we usually position the chain so that it lays flat at full extension then curls up and back around when moving to the opposite end of the axis
[02:40:16] <CaptHindsight> or sideways like in your first pic
[02:41:02] <ssi> laying it flat and curling up has the same issue... when the car is at the near position, the chain is sagging and laying on the table
[02:41:08] <ssi> there's nothing to lay it on for support
[02:41:19] <CaptHindsight> are you cam bearings on both sides of the t-slot?
[02:41:24] <ssi> yes
[02:41:40] <ssi> laying the chain sideways is problematic too
[02:41:48] <ssi> because it'll bow either backward and interfere with the tube,
[02:41:50] <ssi> or forward into the beam
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[02:42:09] <ssi> I'm investigating whether I can actually put the chain in between the gantry rails
[02:42:17] <ssi> it might require some significant rework
[02:42:33] <CaptHindsight> how about placing another slot or angle on the other side of the bearings
[02:42:56] <ssi> can't
[02:43:04] <ssi> the car fully encloses the gantry
[02:43:27] <CaptHindsight> yes, that why you could use a 2nd one
[02:43:54] <CaptHindsight> with space between for the bearings and carriage
[02:44:10] <ssi> possibly
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[02:44:26] <CaptHindsight> the 2nd would be supported only at the ends
[02:44:36] <CaptHindsight> it would just give the chain support
[02:44:48] <ssi> yeah... looking at how much room I have on the endplates to do that
[02:45:07] <CaptHindsight> maybe use 1/8" angle with 1.5" flats
[02:45:47] <CaptHindsight> what's the span ~4 feet?
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[02:54:43] <ssi> 57-3/4" between gantry plates
[02:54:49] <ssi> about to go try to find some angle
[02:54:54] <ssi> I think I've secured a good mounting spot for it
[02:54:56] <CaptHindsight> bbl
[02:56:43] <jdh> if I knew how to use solidworks, I would have noticed my part fit-up mistake before cutting.
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[03:16:10] <ssi> CaptHindsight: got it, thanks
[03:16:12] <ssi> that's working out well
[03:19:11] <ssi> still rises a bit in the near position:
[03:19:13] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bs4E7y6IIAAkBsu.jpg:large
[03:19:21] <ssi> but it lays down nicely in the far position and clears that left upper rail
[03:19:27] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bs4E-CgIEAARrKw.jpg:large
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[05:26:56] <q_p> ssi how much money you have invest in that cnc ??
[05:27:45] <XXCoder> couple mil
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[05:28:07] <XXCoder> ssi: nice!
[05:28:10] <q_p> wow..!!
[05:28:22] <XXCoder> I do want to build some cnc that large someday :D
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[05:38:26] <ssi> I'm probably at about $3000 so far
[05:38:34] <XXCoder> thats not too bad
[05:38:38] <XXCoder> whats major cost?
[05:38:54] <ssi> mostly extrusion, hardware, and lexan right now tbh :P
[05:39:03] <XXCoder> lol ok
[05:39:08] <ssi> $750 or so for motors, psu, drives, mesa gear
[05:39:14] <ssi> $600 for laser gear
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[05:41:30] <ssi> working on wiring now
[05:41:30] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bs4lnp8IUAITlXH.jpg:large
[05:41:41] <XXCoder> laser cutter right?>
[05:41:44] <ssi> yeah
[05:42:05] <XXCoder> man pretty tempted to "hire" you for some cnc work :P but nah no money lol
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[05:42:09] <ssi> haha
[05:42:17] <ssi> wait and see if I get the damn thing working first ;)
[05:42:24] <XXCoder> nema 32?
[05:42:28] <ssi> 17
[05:42:46] <XXCoder> HUH
[05:42:55] <XXCoder> I use bigger motors nema23
[05:43:06] <ssi> me too, but not for this
[05:43:08] <XXCoder> but then laser dont need all that much power eh
[05:43:18] <ssi> nope
[05:43:23] <ssi> if it'll jog fast enough, it's enough power
[05:43:32] <ssi> and these 68oz motors at 48V should be just fine
[05:44:16] <XXCoder> nice
[05:45:07] <ssi> tired :/
[05:45:29] <XXCoder> because of late or lots issues>?
[05:45:40] <ssi> mostly because it's late
[05:45:47] <ssi> I want to get more wiring done
[05:45:49] <ssi> but I don't
[05:45:49] <ssi> :)
[05:45:54] <XXCoder> lol ok
[05:46:17] <XXCoder> I wish theres more local supply of exrusions
[05:46:23] <XXCoder> seattle is still quite far
[05:46:31] <ssi> I drive to mcmaster and pick it up
[05:46:42] <ssi> mostly because I'm impatient... they'd ship it, and everything is next day
[05:47:37] <XXCoder> lol ok
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[05:54:58] <XXCoder> ohhh hardcore burn
http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/photoshop/5/9/5/250595.jpg?v=1
[05:55:12] <CaptHindsight> ssi: over time it will become more flexible and you can also add ramp to the left upper rail to push the chain down if that doesn't violate the minimum bend radius of whats in the chain
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[06:02:24] <ssi> CaptHindsight: it's not the left side that's the problem it turns out, it's the back
[06:02:53] <ssi> the opening for the lid is the size of the bed, but the gantry actually runs back behind that, and when the head is on the right side and jogs to the rear, the chain hits the top
[06:03:07] <ssi> but I think it will break in
[06:03:14] <ssi> it's mostly the nylon tubing for the air assist causing the problem
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[06:20:05] <JesusAlos> hi
[06:25:42] <zeeshan> man
[06:25:50] <zeeshan> this flight downing
[06:25:52] <zeeshan> is sad =/
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[06:43:20] <Deejay> moin
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[06:48:25] <JesusAlos> yep
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[09:09:19] <JesusAlos> hi
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[10:03:15] <jthornton> morning
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[10:07:03] <JesusAlos> morning
[10:08:03] <JesusAlos> jthornton: i still looking for information about routhing algorithm
[10:08:46] <JesusAlos> thinking in create our own basic CAM software
[10:09:15] <JesusAlos> and don't have experience in route algorithm
[10:09:28] <JesusAlos> so need general documentation
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[10:13:41] <jthornton> sorry but I don't understand your question at all
[10:15:09] <archivist> JesusAlos, just computerise what a manual user would do
[10:20:21] <JesusAlos> i need create a software to do this king of route:
http://www.softpedia.com/screenshots/DevFoam_11.png
[10:21:28] <JesusAlos> but need knowledge about the matematical models to implement
[10:21:53] <archivist> use trutype tracer, it is very close to that
[10:22:04] <archivist> truetype
[10:23:05] <JesusAlos> but need customised the code
[10:23:21] <JesusAlos> there are documentation?
[10:23:28] <archivist> http://timeguy.com/cradek/truetype
[10:23:44] <jthornton> what is a mathematical model?
[10:23:58] <jthornton> the letter shapes?
[10:25:29] <JesusAlos> mathematical models for create a new algorithm for create tool path or routes
[10:26:24] <archivist> truetype tracer does what you want though
[10:26:38] <jthornton> sorry but that sentence does not make any sense to me
[10:28:42] <archivist> language barrier
[10:28:43] <SpeedEvil> jthornton:
https://room538ccpp.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/equationgirls.jpg
[10:30:59] * jthornton probably won't follow a link to equationgirls.jpg
[10:32:15] <SpeedEvil> It contains no 'naughty bits' But it does contain pictures of girls backs
[10:33:16] <jthornton> probably contains no content related to the current language barrier conversation so a terrible waste of bandwidth for me
[10:34:06] <SpeedEvil> 'what are mathematical models'
[10:34:32] <archivist> SpeedEvil, when there is difficulty in the channel dont spam
[10:35:20] <JesusAlos> Sorry for my explains
[10:36:13] <SpeedEvil> It wasn't spam, it was related to the topic in what I thought was an amusing manner.
[10:36:21] <SpeedEvil> Apologies for any offence caused.
[10:37:45] <jthornton> JesusAlos, can you tell us what your trying to do in simple wording?
[10:37:46] <archivist> JesusAlos, I think is you read the trutype tracer source code you can get algorithms too
[10:37:53] <archivist> is/if
[10:38:27] <archivist> make cam for a foam cutter to cut outline text
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[10:40:14] <jthornton> I assume then scalable letter size?
[10:40:27] <JesusAlos> archivist: yes need CAM for foam cutter 2 axis machine
[10:40:33] <JesusAlos> letther and shapes
[10:40:52] <SpeedEvil> Or any random laser cutter even.
[10:41:41] <JesusAlos> http://postimg.org/image/pd4alyvsz/
[10:42:28] <archivist> once you understand trutype tracer you can use that for the letters as a subroutine and shapes will be simple to do
[10:43:59] <JesusAlos> archivist: I go to try trutype. But in the future, my idea is develope our own software
[10:44:37] <archivist> yes I know, remember writing vectors to screen is the same as g1 to the machine
[10:46:30] <archivist> so if you can draw it you can trace it, the only " hard" part is deciding where to move from inner to outer of a shape
[10:46:39] <JesusAlos> so seek documentation to programming routes
[10:46:58] <archivist> and to cross from path to path avoiding wanted work
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[10:47:22] <archivist> see books called "Graphics Gems"
[10:47:46] <archivist> full of algorithms including routing
[10:48:35] <archivist> you can download the books code
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[10:52:28] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[10:52:33] <IchGuckLive> JesusAlos:
[10:53:04] <JesusAlos> hi
[10:53:10] <IchGuckLive> you need a lookup list that makes you a start event at the letter on ascii code you become by coustem entry line
[10:53:25] <IchGuckLive> then from that you calculate your start points
[10:54:18] <IchGuckLive> thats how devfoam works
[10:54:50] <IchGuckLive> you can also make a funktion where you lookup the sketch loop where is topLeft
[10:55:33] <IchGuckLive> epand to half of linespace and make a virtuell startline on witch every char needs to start
[10:55:53] <IchGuckLive> as simple as it is we taked about the truetype trayer
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[10:58:11] <IchGuckLive> CHARA Ascii-> lookupstartpoint table (TopLeft Mid Right ) get the TopLeft point of sketch generate start point towards entry and get it out then move to entry point move loop get to startpoint
[10:58:18] <IchGuckLive> process nextt char
[10:58:45] <jthornton> my guess is you won't find documentation on how to program other than studying other programs like TTT
[10:58:53] <IchGuckLive> 2 if and one array
[10:59:34] <archivist> jthornton, in that series of books I mentioned (I have 4 out of the 5)
[10:59:57] <IchGuckLive> devfoam uses the same algorithem as truetype tracer or Awallins opencamlib its oly closed software for profile
[11:00:03] <JesusAlos> I was thinking that there are a mathematical functions, like the open voronoid project
[11:00:32] <IchGuckLive> TTT is better to interact as it processes the loops like you need it
[11:01:39] <archivist> must get of with my V carve addon for ttt
[11:01:42] <IchGuckLive> ord('a') is all you need
[11:01:45] <archivist> get on
[11:02:57] <IchGuckLive> to get the ascii and with a lookup as you fix by chars the startpoint Best not to go for a minloop search
[11:03:17] <archivist> JesusAlos, as you are path following you dont want volume clearing like open voronoi
[11:04:21] <IchGuckLive> im off bye till the evening needed to jumpo in as plamas heat is to high and waterchange every hour on 55Deg C Shop temp
[11:04:24] <IchGuckLive> BYE
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[11:04:59] <JesusAlos> archivist: I use this like example because voronoid apply a mathematical know algorithm
[11:05:07] <JesusAlos> in my case mus be other
[11:05:19] <JesusAlos> but I think the best is study TTT
[11:05:34] <JesusAlos> as people here recommend
[11:05:55] <jthornton> anyone have a link to a decent twist drill feed per revolution chart?
[11:06:05] <archivist> simple follow the path, ttt wont have the best character to character move because it lifts
[11:06:37] <jthornton> JesusAlos, is this a hot wire foam cutter?
[11:06:52] <JesusAlos> yes, foam cutter
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[11:53:39] <JesusAlos> by
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[13:10:22] <marmite> hmmm i just got a chock from my chassi :D
[13:10:32] <marmite> probebly a good sighn
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[13:17:44] <archivist> a bad sign, not earthed
[13:22:19] <SpeedEvil> Depends.
[13:22:33] <SpeedEvil> Shocks from stuff can be just fine - earthing is complex.
[13:22:39] <SpeedEvil> Earth is a lie!
[13:23:04] <jymmm> SpeedEvil: You are a lie
[13:23:48] <pcw_home> it is a bad sign that may "earth " you
[13:24:35] <jymmm> it is a bad sign that may "earth " you minus 6 feet
[13:24:55] <jymmm> s/minus/negative/
[13:25:25] <SpeedEvil> In general, the best way to earth stuff is to have your entire shop on a half inch copper sheet, and solder nice grounding straps to all your appliances.
[13:25:55] <jymmm> not solder
[13:28:13] <SpeedEvil> Ok, exposively weld.
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[13:39:14] <jymmm> usually mechanical fastener
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[13:41:40] <jymmm> http://store.electrical-insulators-and-copper-ground-bars.com/lpk12-2-200.html
[13:43:33] <Tecan> ok i have thyristors hexfets and tip122's which ones are better to stack for heatbed on a reprap ?
[13:44:07] <Tecan> i have pwm working but a duty cycle of 20% seems to keep the hexfet cool but the heatbed hardly gets warm
[13:45:25] <Tecan> who knew dumping a load into a big resistor would be so confusing
[13:46:50] <pcw_home> Should be pretty simple 20% duty cycle is 20% power (assuming minimal losses in switch)
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[13:47:34] <archivist> lowest forward loss wins, probably hexfet
[13:47:43] <Tecan> cool
[13:47:53] <Tecan> time to solder 4 together and see if it helps
[13:48:30] <pcw_home> Yeah MOSFETS are best switches for low voltage
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[13:49:52] <pcw_home> say up to 200V or so (past that there are more choices)
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[13:52:41] <SpeedEvil> I wonder if learning from 3D flash will percolate into FETs
[13:56:18] <Tom_itx> what do traffic signals use for switches?
[13:56:28] <Tom_itx> those gotta pull some amps
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[14:00:36] <pcw_home> I suspect they use TRIACS since they are probably 120VAC in th eUS
[14:01:25] <Tom_itx> i'd probably use a 120VAC heat pad if i were gonna reprap
[14:01:30] <Tom_itx> barrel heater
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[14:02:36] <pcw_home> dont most repraps use low voltage heaters?
[14:02:37] <Tom_itx> Triacs are pretty cheap too
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[14:02:44] <Tom_itx> most of them do but not all
[14:03:12] <Tom_itx> it comes up to temp quicker with a barrel heater
[14:03:20] <pcw_home> with home made heaters its probably for the best
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[14:26:39] <Tecan> there i went for 5 mosfets
[14:26:44] <Tecan> testing time
[14:38:30] <Tom_itx> N channel i hope
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[15:05:03] <Tecan> tip220
[15:05:08] <Tecan> to220
[15:09:10] <Tecan> sweet it worked
[15:10:13] <Tom_itx> how many watts is the heatbed?
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[15:30:46] <CaptHindsight> is the heated bed in an open or closed space? How much airflow is there over the surface of the bed? What is the total surface area of the bed? What is the thermal resistance (or conductivity W/m-K) of the material used for the bed? Why don't reprapers believe in science?
[15:35:54] <CaptHindsight> http://homepages.which.net/~paul.hills/Heatsinks/HeatsinksBody.html
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[15:43:25] <archivist> who needs resistors just dissipate the watts in transistors mounted on the plate
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[15:50:10] <Tecan> archivist that would be good except for the glass sheet i mounted ontop of the mk2 heatbed has no spots to bolt them on
[15:50:31] <Tecan> and i used fantastic plastic on the lower portion to keep the bearings in place
[15:53:46] <Tecan> i let the smoke out of one mosfet, not sure how long it would have kept going for
[15:54:29] <archivist> have you provided for current balancing
[15:56:12] <Tecan> i think it was just faulty from factory tbh
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[15:56:45] <Tecan> clipped it and everything seems great now
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[16:22:02] <IchGuckLive> hi all
[16:22:03] <XXCoder> hey
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[16:22:43] <IchGuckLive> An rewaly good atwise ;-) dint do plasma 4 mashines all day long at 55Deg C shop temperatures its a realy hard day !
[16:23:22] <IchGuckLive> i only got 1 inch of water in the table so i had to chache continuisly as it melted down like leeking
[16:23:55] <XXCoder> modify design to have more water?
[16:24:10] <IchGuckLive> no its good at most days
[16:24:57] <XXCoder> You know those cats and dogs water where it automacally refill as it goes below trigger, and uses no electricity?
[16:25:07] <XXCoder> wonder if you could adopt it for plasma.
[16:25:47] <SpeedEvil> radweld
[16:26:13] <IchGuckLive> i got a pyvcp button oin waterfill
[16:26:32] <IchGuckLive> in and out
[16:28:09] <IchGuckLive> we got a garden fair tomorrow
[16:28:25] <IchGuckLive> and i needed all good stuff to show up
[16:29:06] <IchGuckLive> XXCoder: its also in the toilet
[16:29:20] <XXCoder> that auto fill thing? yeah
[16:29:42] <IchGuckLive> cats and dog is 40euros toilet 15
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[16:31:12] <Tecan> http://i.imgur.com/vljCa0P.jpg
[16:31:35] <IchGuckLive> Tecan: whats that for
[16:31:50] <Tecan> its a reprap
[16:32:04] <XXCoder> guessed that when saw glue sticks lol
[16:41:46] <IchGuckLive> needs to cool down very quick
[16:43:19] <IchGuckLive> k6mle how is it
[16:43:40] <XXCoder> I need to get off my butt and revise design, I has all needed parts but bahh :P
[16:44:15] <IchGuckLive> i hope i will see you running mashine bevor i go pentioner
[16:44:26] <XXCoder> thanks
[16:44:31] <IchGuckLive> O.O
[16:44:51] <IchGuckLive> offical 40days to go
[16:45:01] <XXCoder> what is "pentioner"
[16:45:09] <XXCoder> prison? ;)
[16:45:16] <IchGuckLive> out of job at age
[16:45:23] <XXCoder> oh retired
[16:45:30] <IchGuckLive> retirerd
[16:45:35] <Deejay> R.E.D.
[16:45:38] <Deejay> ^^
[16:45:45] <Deejay> retired extremely dangerous ;)
[16:46:15] <XXCoder> raw, retired and working ;)
[16:47:05] <XXCoder> I met people who still work at nonprofits and such helping after they retired
[16:47:10] <XXCoder> my grandfather was one of em
[16:47:42] <IchGuckLive> i will be sitting in the greenland and counting clouds
[16:48:05] <XXCoder> and building another cnc ;)
[16:48:06] <Deejay> didn't know that you already that old, IchGuckLive *shocked*
[16:48:45] <IchGuckLive> you are always as old as you feel
[16:48:57] <Deejay> hehe yeah
[16:49:13] <IchGuckLive> on beatch with all that sunburnd girls you might be yunger then in garden work
[16:50:40] <Deejay> ^^
[16:51:11] <XXCoder> hopefully you will come in here after retirement anyway
[16:51:34] <IchGuckLive> for know i dont think so i will eve forever
[16:51:36] <Deejay> he will be here all the time ;)
[16:52:23] <IchGuckLive> i plan to move to the outback its 3 houses in a deep valey without comunikation
[16:53:02] <IchGuckLive> the ham people here might here from me on amateur radio
[16:53:14] * Deejay was DJ9DJ some time ago
[16:54:04] <Deejay> hmm, try to do IRC over packet radio then :D
[16:54:35] <IchGuckLive> we will see how it workes out its a realy hard CUT in live
[16:55:15] <Deejay> so you don't prefer the sunburned girls
[16:55:47] <IchGuckLive> <_ always taking a closer look at them
[16:56:12] <IchGuckLive> as here till 8am its nacked bathing alowed in lake
[16:56:22] <IchGuckLive> O.O
[16:56:26] <Deejay> hrhr
[16:57:04] <Deejay> bring the amateur TV uplink online! ;)
[16:57:53] <IchGuckLive> since all the phonme got vid inside i think it hs been realy reduced
[16:58:27] <IchGuckLive> this morning but i saw up to 10 people at 7:30 in the lake as i passed by cycle
[17:00:10] <IchGuckLive> coudt not look closer as a forest truck passed my way just at lakeside
[17:01:50] <IchGuckLive> Vad wildfire in Washington state i saw in the news
[17:01:59] <IchGuckLive> Bad
[17:02:29] <XXCoder> washington state fire
[17:02:34] <XXCoder> lemme look up
[17:02:57] <XXCoder> leavenworth :(
[17:04:28] <IchGuckLive> http://www.nwccweb.us/information/firemap.aspx
[17:04:28] <XXCoder> friend of mine went there recently on vacation. glad she missed this
[17:04:51] <IchGuckLive> oh preparion on burningman started tody
[17:04:54] <XXCoder> yeah its worse each year
[17:05:02] <XXCoder> global comate change :(
[17:06:07] <IchGuckLive> that woudt be a challange on my to get a week at burningman do thay let people in over 60
[17:06:21] <IchGuckLive> all chinal led man
[17:06:23] * Deejay feels also like burningman, yep, indeed, its too hot these days ;)
[17:06:48] <XXCoder> heard theres challenges and its not really based on money there so bring lots water and something to trade with
[17:06:58] <XXCoder> maybe make pile of something cool with your cnc
[17:06:59] <IchGuckLive> Deejay: the sothwest got badly hitted shop temp today 55deg
[17:07:12] <XXCoder> or actually bring a cnc to make stuff for people as trade
[17:07:31] <XXCoder> I'm serious with water too though, there is NO water there.
[17:07:53] <IchGuckLive> no i will get a job at washington/oregon as a WoodHarvest Driver
[17:07:58] <XXCoder> don't be a darktard, bring light sources with you at all time
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[17:08:42] <IchGuckLive> hi seltecc
[17:09:04] <seltecc> hello ichgucklive
[17:09:24] <IchGuckLive> XXCoder: get a well and yiou are a made man at burningman side
[17:09:39] <XXCoder> easy, bribng a water tanker lol
[17:09:43] <IchGuckLive> they set up a airfield as well
[17:13:47] <XXCoder> interesting
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[17:25:40] <IchGuckLive> i am smelling staks on the BBQ i will leave soon
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[17:28:21] <IchGuckLive> Steaks on the grill so im off BY till tomorrow
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[17:37:04] <seltecc> the halmeter says y+ true and y- false, what can I do about it , my y goes only one direction ....?
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[17:39:24] <seltecc> anyone an idea what to tweak....?
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[17:42:06] <archivist> you need yo measure the actual dir pin to make sure it is 0 or 5v ish
[17:42:11] <archivist> yo to
[17:43:05] <archivist> are you driving the right pin as well
[17:43:21] <seltecc> with halmeter?
[17:43:30] <archivist> is that pin configured as an output
[17:43:39] <seltecc> I check them twice....
[17:44:09] <archivist> I dont trust halmeter for actual drive voltages
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[17:45:14] <seltecc> is for a nema 23, 1 puls suitable
[17:45:31] <seltecc> with multimeter then...?!
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[17:46:46] <archivist> you have to check the dir pin voltage on the drive (output of breakout board)
[17:47:45] <seltecc> yeah
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[17:48:37] <seltecc> my nema 23 makes a buzzing noise, even when not used
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[17:49:23] <archivist> not relevant to the current problem unless it does not rotate at all
[17:49:47] <seltecc> ok...
[17:58:28] <seltecc> yes, they both show identical signal, when y+ then 5 v wenn y- 0 v ...for ydir
[17:58:59] <archivist> so the stepper driver is faulty
[17:59:10] <seltecc> I compared it with x axis....
[17:59:26] <archivist> is the motor connected correctly to the driver
[18:00:35] * archivist would be using a scope on the opto on the driver to see what happened to the signal
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[18:01:25] <archivist> did you remember to wire the other side of the y opto to +5 or ground
[18:01:39] <seltecc> whats odd is that the working (x) has only one led lit and working fine, and the y axis has both leds lit....
[18:01:59] <archivist> in fault mode?
[18:02:11] <archivist> check all wiring
[18:02:31] <seltecc> I have dualboot and checked with mach3 and there everything worked just fine...
[18:02:46] <archivist> longshine drivers self protect with bad wiring to the motors
[18:03:29] <archivist> then your descriptions do not match the problem
[18:04:02] <seltecc> so was it before i screwed up my config because of the dammed a and b axis that are new to my configuration....
[18:04:33] <Tecan> http://i.imgur.com/Sd84OBV.png
[18:04:50] <seltecc> its a matter of faulty hal and ini settings...
[18:04:54] <Tecan> i keep melting the wire soldered to the melzi collector mosfet
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[18:05:58] <seltecc> befor I forget do you have knowlage about ic4017 ?
[18:06:15] <archivist> cmos chip, I have data
[18:07:19] <archivist> I seem to remember you asking in ##electronics about that
[18:07:39] <seltecc> cool, very important for me....
[18:07:55] <seltecc> yeah can I ask here again?
[18:09:12] <archivist> it is just a decade counter what does it have to do with the current problem
[18:09:41] <seltecc> "simple" I just want the LEDs stay lit when triggert with a momentary push button...?
[18:10:36] <archivist> not what a counter does
[18:11:20] <seltecc> so its not possible, is that what you mean?
[18:12:04] <archivist> insufficient information
[18:13:43] <seltecc> one pushbutton, a ic4017 and led that shall stay lit....what else?
[18:13:57] <archivist> wrong chip for that job
[18:14:07] <seltecc> suggestion?
[18:14:10] <archivist> it is a counter not a latch
[18:14:27] <archivist> flip flop
[18:15:23] <seltecc> the task is to lite up 1 push 4 leds and 2.push 8 leds and 3. all off.....
[18:16:52] <archivist> task.. school work?
[18:17:27] <seltecc> kind of
[18:18:05] <archivist> you need to learn how to decode as well
[18:19:24] <seltecc> decode what? the function of ICs ?
[18:19:46] <archivist> the counter to which led is lit
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[18:20:12] <archivist> your description of what you want keeps changing
[18:20:32] <seltecc> sorry dude....
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[18:42:57] <marmite> hmmm
[18:43:11] <marmite> i finaly got to cut out my pickguard, but it came out wrong
[18:43:17] <marmite> apparently i forgot backlash settings
[18:43:24] <marmite> and now i dont get it to work properly :D
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[21:19:39] <Deejay> gn8
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[21:51:00] * JT-Shop took a nap and got 2 more orders at the Spyder Store
[21:51:08] <JT-Shop> I should take more naps
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[22:15:58] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/T0Efoi2.jpg
[22:15:59] <zeeshan> :D
[22:16:04] <zeeshan> finally this piece of shit work is done
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[22:32:44] <ssi> zeeshan: whatcha doin
[22:32:51] <zeeshan> not for me
[22:32:53] <zeeshan> for some customer
[22:32:54] <ssi> looks like transmission parts
[22:32:59] <zeeshan> fixture to bend aluminum c channel
[22:33:05] <ssi> ah
[22:33:09] <zeeshan> im also building a trans
[22:33:10] <zeeshan> lol
[22:33:15] <zeeshan> still waiting on parts for it
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[22:40:15] <JT-Shop> is that used in a H frame press?
[22:41:52] <ssi> so frys sells 3d printers now
[22:41:56] <ssi> and more importantly, filament!
[22:42:03] <ssi> and it's like half the price of what I used to get
[22:42:13] <SpeedEvil> :)
[22:43:47] <JT-Shop> nice
[22:44:14] <JT-Shop> 7 DF-2's to assemble and I'm done with work stuff
[22:52:36] <zeeshan> jt-shop yes
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[23:22:17] <XXCoder> ssi: printers seem expensive
[23:22:54] <ssi> what, the velleman ones at frys?
[23:23:05] <XXCoder> oh saw 2k-3k one
[23:23:10] <XXCoder> that one is cheap
[23:23:49] <ssi> what was the expensive one?
[23:23:51] <ssi> a makerbot?
[23:24:15] <XXCoder> maybe I saw wrong one lol
[23:25:28] <XXCoder> ah cubify
[23:26:17] <ssi> filament is listed on frys.com as $39.99/kg
[23:26:23] <ssi> but it was $24.99/kg when I was there earlier
[23:26:26] <ssi> which is a good price
[23:28:11] <XXCoder> interesting
[23:29:47] <XXCoder> velleman seem to support both abs and pla
[23:30:03] <XXCoder> which is good. abs is only plastic that can be smoothed by acetone vapor methof
[23:30:09] <ssi> most do
[23:30:14] <ssi> it's just the makerbots that are pla only
[23:33:07] <XXCoder> lol well
[23:33:28] <XXCoder> nice idea though if I get enough dospitiable income I might do it
[23:34:11] <ssi> dospitiable eh?
[23:34:38] <jthornton> that's what I thought too
[23:34:51] <ssi> :D
[23:35:22] <XXCoder> I cant spelwe werds weel mon
[23:35:44] <jthornton> funny but most people can read misspelled words fine
[23:36:42] <XXCoder> yeah
[23:36:47] <XXCoder> pattern based reading
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[23:38:50] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bs8cLzSIIAExaDz.jpg:large
[23:38:54] <ssi> well that was a minor nightmare :D
[23:39:09] <XXCoder> fun
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[23:40:11] <jthornton> that does look like fun
[23:41:32] <ssi> one more harness to build
[23:41:41] <ssi> there's already two DB9-thru harnesses in place
[23:41:59] <ssi> one fixed harness through the gantry to the opposite motor, one harness in cable chain to run the X motor
[23:42:17] <ssi> this harness connects to the right Y motor and the two secondary harnesses
[23:42:31] <ssi> have to build one more which is DB25 to the drives and 7i77
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[23:46:56] <zeeshan> ssi
[23:47:03] <zeeshan> rofl i cant believe you have patience to do that
[23:47:31] <zeeshan> where did you by that wire loom cover?
[23:47:36] <zeeshan> *buy
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[23:58:02] <XXCoder> wow
[23:58:03] <XXCoder> http://www.3ders.org/articles/20140719-matterfab-developing-affordable-metal-3d-printer.html
[23:59:07] <ssi> zeeshan: surplus place in california
