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[01:11:30] <ssi> printed mirror mount came out good
[01:13:51] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BstU5h_CQAA0Rt6.jpg:large
[01:14:00] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BstU8BhCcAE0Bn9.jpg:large
[01:15:09] <jdh> you seem to be pretty speedy with that
[01:15:23] <ssi> I can solidworks like a scalded dog ;)
[01:15:48] <jdh> I can draw a rectangle in a hour or so.
[01:15:57] <Tom_itx> heh
[01:15:59] <jdh> as long as it doesn't have to a given size
[01:18:21] <ssi> this is the kind of crap the 3d pritner is good for
[01:18:27] <ssi> quick design verification
[01:18:42] <ssi> if necessary I can go back and make these out of aluminum, but I don't think it'll be necessary
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[01:19:35] <ssi> also I'm printing cable chain :P
[01:19:47] <jdh> geez... how long does that take?
[01:19:49] <ssi> have like 18" so far... only 8' or so to go :'(
[01:20:07] <jdh> how many sections can you print unattended?
[01:20:14] <ssi> not as many as I'd like :/
[01:20:26] <ssi> printing a plate full of small parts like that is dicey
[01:20:40] <ssi> cause if one of them fails to adhere, or comes loose during the print, it tends to wipe out the whole plate
[01:21:00] <ssi> it's really disheartening to leave a 4-8hr print unattended and come back to a spaghetti mass of useless wasted plastic
[01:21:08] <jdh> need a pallet changer for the printer
[01:21:15] <ssi> would be nice :P
[01:21:20] <ssi> I used to have a camera on it,
[01:21:35] <ssi> and while I was at work I'd remote into it, and jog the head around to knock parts off the bed
[01:21:39] <ssi> then start new prints
[01:21:44] <ssi> if you wait for the bed to cool, they pop off easy
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[01:22:12] <ssi> there exists designs for a little conveyor belt of kapton-backed paper which basically gives you a pallet changer
[01:22:20] <ssi> run the belt, and the parts pop off at the edge into a bucket
[01:26:39] <Tom_itx> it doesn't have to be stuck to the heatbed?
[01:28:47] <ssi> it's stuck when its hot, but when it cools it comes off pretty easily
[01:28:51] <ssi> especially with PET tape
[01:28:55] <ssi> PET is easier to work with than kapton
[01:29:42] <Tom_itx> so you'd have to stick the next bit if the conveyor belt moved on
[01:29:55] <ssi> yeah... I imagine it's a slow process...
[01:30:08] <ssi> complete print, wait for bed to cool, roll belt, old part pops off, heat bed, begin next print
[01:30:13] <Tom_itx> hardly worth having the conveyor then
[01:30:23] <ssi> http://makerbot-blog.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/ABP7_800-620x564.jpg
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[05:23:23] <ssi> hrm
[05:24:19] <XXCoder> hey s
[05:27:06] <ssi> what's up
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[05:28:57] <XXCoder> not much getting ready to sleep
[05:29:08] <ssi> I need to sleep, but I'd rather work on stuff :P
[05:29:16] <ssi> i need to cut some more brackets and do more extrusion work
[05:29:23] <ssi> try to get my tube mounts and rear mirror mounts installed
[05:32:03] <XXCoder> good luck, going to sleep now :)
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[06:33:51] <RyanS> Is it pretty noticeable the machinability difference between 304 and 316 we have heaps of stainless bar, but I wouldn't have a clue if it was 3**, 3**L, 4 series
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[06:37:26] <seltecc> my y axis goes in the same dir when I manual jog with arrow keys....:(
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[06:39:06] <archivist> seltecc, does the dir pin change properly
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[06:40:29] <seltecc> " dir pin change" I don t understand...?!
[06:40:46] <seltecc> do you mean pin assignment?
[06:41:14] <archivist> check with a multimeter if the actual wire to the dir pin on the drive changes
[06:42:14] <seltecc> sorry, but I think I can fix this in the hal or ini file....
[06:42:20] <archivist> easier with an oscilloscope
[06:42:50] <archivist> I am trying to help you discover wiring or software
[06:43:14] <seltecc> sure but I don t have an osci...
[06:43:27] <archivist> multimeter?
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[06:44:03] <seltecc> nice thank you for this , this is why I love this forum... :)
[06:44:39] <seltecc> multi yes....
[06:44:50] <archivist> linuxcnc also has a built in scope called halscope
[06:45:09] <seltecc> can I fix this in software?
[06:45:35] <seltecc> aha, yeah...
[06:46:20] <seltecc> and there?
[06:46:43] <archivist> whether a wiring error can be fixed in software depends on the error
[06:47:47] <RyanS> Could you hazard a guess all this stainless was from a fire salewhen Kodak closed in Melbourne (I believe it was their internal maintenance shop), is plausibly 316 ie contact with chemicals? It is tough as helll to saw
[06:48:26] <seltecc> okay...
[06:48:38] <archivist> stainless is a pain to machine and cut
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[06:49:02] <seltecc> really...?!
[06:49:26] <RyanS> Doesn't it depend on grade
[06:49:47] <seltecc> has anyone tried titanium ?
[06:50:22] <RyanS> I have some titanium I've never tried to machines. I wonder if it is worth much to sell
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[06:51:13] <seltecc> a tip how to use halscope...?
[06:51:29] <archivist> the manual :)
[06:51:47] <seltecc> okay...
[06:52:01] <Jymmmm> maybe the wiki?
[06:52:21] <RyanS> I recently got some stainless CCMT tips , the finish is really good can Take a 2 mm cut
[06:52:29] <Jymmmm> Cause the manual is lacking imo
[06:52:56] <RyanS> 2.5 gets nasty
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[06:59:37] <archivist> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/hal/tutorial.html#sec:Tutorial-Halscope
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[07:07:19] <seltecc> thx
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[07:20:44] <Jymmmm> Alrigth, that was better than expected.
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[07:35:10] <ssi> despite all my careful planning, I'm still not going to get full Y travel :(
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[11:30:18] <Deejay> moin
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[11:51:43] <jthornton> morning
[11:53:25] <jymmm> Mornin
[12:07:47] <Tom_itx> Morning... overcast and showers
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[12:44:40] <jthornton> sunny n cool here
[12:46:36] <archivist> sunny warm and bored
[12:49:56] <XXCoder> cloudy for first time for a while, and actually cool. woot
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[12:53:51] <skunkworks> sunny and cool here also.
[12:55:01] <SpeedEvil> Sunny and warm here.
[12:56:26] <skunkworks> heh - fastest I can transfer over bonded gb nics is around 1gb/min. (rsync over ssh) that is a TB every 20 hours or so..
[12:56:48] <skunkworks> the limit seems to be the lowly atom processor
[12:59:52] * jthornton goes out to repair the shingles on the shop before the rains come this evening
[13:00:02] <jthornton> seems like backhoe wins every time
[13:04:09] <SpeedEvil> skunkworks: do you actually need encryption?
[13:05:47] <cradek> nc and mbuffer on both ends is the real winner if you want to saturate a network
[13:07:15] <skunkworks> heh - I am running blowfish or one of the other lightweight incryption.. and no. Rsync over nfs is faster but none of that is setup.
[13:07:18] <SpeedEvil> Or just FTP
[13:07:43] <cradek> ftp does setup for every file
[13:13:26] <skunkworks> yah - the server has to be up somewhat while this is happening.. :)
[13:13:51] <skunkworks> and so far no one has complained about the speed...
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[13:17:33] <SpeedEvil> cradek: yes, it does, and you might not care if the files are large
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[15:56:35] <K6MLE> Can someone tell me if DIRHOLD and DIRSETUP should be the same value, or if there's a relationship between the two?
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[15:58:12] <cradek> they're not necessarily the same, and there's not really a relationship
[15:58:51] <K6MLE> Thank you ... I'm seeing an occaisional missed direction change ...
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[15:59:30] <cradek> you mean the first step after direction change goes the wrong way?
[16:00:39] <cradek> some drivers step on the falling edge of the step signal, some on the rising -- be sure you have your active level right
[16:00:55] <K6MLE> yes, and perhaps equally important, a motor takes several steps in the wrong direction ...
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[16:01:34] <K6MLE> I'm pretty sure I have this set right for the G540 drive.
[16:01:44] <cradek> several steps?? weird
[16:01:55] <cradek> that doesn't seem like a timing problem
[16:02:11] <pcw_home> Maybe an electrical problem (marginal levels)
[16:02:16] <cradek> I think the G540 has opto inputs. I wonder if you have enough current to drive them?
[16:02:16] <K6MLE> It's like it will miss the direction change altogether and just continue stepping in the wrong direction.
[16:02:41] <cradek> grab a (real) scope and see what your signals look like
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[16:02:57] <K6MLE> The scope is my next step ...\
[16:03:55] <K6MLE> The DB9 connectors are still open (uncovered) so I can get easy access to the signals ...
[16:04:04] <pcw_home> is this all axis or just one?
[16:05:00] <K6MLE> I notice it across ALL.
[16:09:55] <K6MLE> Just re-checked the G540 user manual ... says all step and direction signals are active high, which is how I have LinuxCNC configured.
[16:10:44] <pcw_home> weird maybe your port has weak high level drive
[16:11:25] <K6MLE> I think, as suggested earlier, it's time for me to hook up a scope and check out the signals ... !
[16:11:53] <K6MLE> I'll head to the CNC box and log check back in from there ... BIAB
[16:12:00] <pcw_home> even a voltmeter
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[16:13:35] <pcw_home> does the delayed direction problem only happen in one direction?
[16:13:36] <pcw_home> (I would expect this with weak drive)
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[16:17:24] <k6mle-CNC> Looks like I'll need a breakout for the DB25 off the parallel port ... back to the soldering iron!
[16:18:44] <ssi> hallo leute! wo sind meine laserdeutschlanderen?!
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[16:19:26] <Loetmichel> ssi: wrong langugage ;)
[16:19:33] <ssi> hahaha
[16:19:39] <ssi> so I have an issue
[16:19:52] <ssi> despite all my careful planning, my tube mount still interferes with my Y travel
[16:20:00] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bswe1z-IMAARdg5.jpg:large
[16:20:05] <ssi> so I have basically two options
[16:20:18] <ssi> I can move the tube behind the table, and frame a box around it to support and protect it
[16:20:28] <ssi> or I can move it BELOW the table, and add a fourth bounce mirror
[16:20:47] <ssi> I'm not real clear on the cost of an extra mirror
[16:20:57] <ssi> by cost I mean efficiency, power loss, etc
[16:21:08] <ssi> as well as the additional alignment challenges I guess
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[16:23:05] <Connor> I say behind.
[16:23:18] <Connor> adding a 4th mirror is just going to make it that much harder to align.
[16:24:03] <ssi> well... as far as alignment difficulty goes
[16:24:11] <ssi> adding 10" to the footprint is a cost I have to bear perpetually
[16:24:17] <ssi> having to spend time aligning is a cost I bear once
[16:24:21] <ssi> or maybe occasionally
[16:24:34] <jdh> connor: did you get teh phase 3 plans?
[16:24:52] <Connor> jdh: Downloaded them last night.. not opened up the attachment yet
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[16:25:27] <Connor> ssi how much does it interfere ?
[16:25:31] <jdh> same here. are they the same screws? Could I just get the new double nuts?
[16:25:40] <ssi> I've lost 2.5" already, and I haven't added cable chain etc yet
[16:25:52] <ssi> and actulaly I'm .25" short on the front side, so call it probably 4" all up
[16:25:55] <ssi> down from 24 to 20
[16:28:23] <jdh> do you need 24" now?
[16:28:38] <jdh> will you run in to other things you want to change after it is working.
[16:28:43] <ssi> I dunno! :)
[16:29:02] <jdh> leave it as is. refit when you need 4 more inches.
[16:30:35] <ssi> well... I'm also concerned about leaving it where it is, cause the motion can slam the gantry into the tube right now
[16:30:51] <ssi> I can build mechanical endstops in, but I'd feel better if the tube was boxed into its own compartment
[16:30:58] <ssi> I may just go ahead and put it behind
[16:31:03] <ssi> it'll be much easier to build that putting it below
[16:31:08] <jdh> put it behind and build a shelf over it
[16:31:26] <ssi> hm monitor stand maybe :D
[16:31:30] <jdh> where you can store all that crap that will eventually fall
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[16:39:27] <Connor> ssi half way behind..
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[16:44:08] <ssi> Connor: the problem with halfway behind is it doesn't give me good firm structure to mount to
[16:44:32] <Connor> it's 80/20. :) You can add to it easily enough to do that. :)
[16:44:59] <ssi> yeah
[16:45:07] <jthornton> the first thing the printer does when you replace an ink cartridge is waste some ink!
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[16:45:30] <jdh> you should see what it does while you are sleeping.
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[16:49:47] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[16:50:36] <IchGuckLive> ssi first shot to tube action done
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[16:54:49] <ssi> IchGuckLive: eh?
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[16:55:26] <IchGuckLive> i see you getting forward on mirror mount did you chack a line move
[16:55:35] <ssi> not yet
[16:55:40] <IchGuckLive> ok
[16:55:51] <ssi> I bought a cheapy laser pointer, at some point I'm going to mount it to start getting alignment roughed in
[16:55:58] <ssi> right now I'm trying to figure out where I'm going to mount the tube
[16:56:02] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bswe1z-IMAARdg5.jpg:large
[16:56:09] <ssi> it eats up more Y travel than I wanted
[16:56:21] <ssi> so I'm devising a scheme to move the tube back, which means making the frame slightly bigger at the top
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[16:56:38] <IchGuckLive> i did a pointer tube Y station to check the gcode
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[16:57:04] <IchGuckLive> on pyvcp button the pointer jumps in via optovirer Y
[16:57:22] <ssi> is your pointer on the head aimed at the spot, or are you beamcombining somehow
[16:57:35] <IchGuckLive> and the tube is back at X allined so out of mashine way
[16:57:53] <IchGuckLive> its 25Euros at 30CM
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[17:01:03] <IchGuckLive> hi seltecc
[17:01:09] <IchGuckLive> Heiss heute
[17:01:12] <seltecc> hallochen
[17:01:29] <seltecc> yup, zumindest hier in berlin...
[17:01:58] <IchGuckLive> in and around Ktown it is mutch hotter then up where you are
[17:02:15] <IchGuckLive> French boarder full spain heat hitted
[17:02:29] <seltecc> ich hab deinen vidokanal nicht gefunden....
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[17:03:21] <IchGuckLive> http://www.youtube.com/user/magic33de/videos
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[17:03:39] <seltecc> aha, danke....
[17:04:32] <seltecc> aha du bists...wir hatten schon mal das vergnügen....
[17:06:28] <seltecc> meine a und b motoren werden heiss, obwohl ich bei nema 23 mit 2 Nm den strom auf 1,8 ampere gesetzt habe.....ne idee, was das proplem sein könnte?
[17:07:09] <IchGuckLive> seltecc: hit my nick for german help
[17:08:48] <CaptHindsight> looks like I should avoid flying on Malaysia Airlines
[17:09:01] <ssi> living up to your nick there!
[17:09:26] <CaptHindsight> this should be interesting
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[17:10:24] <CaptHindsight> ssi: what brand of t-slot is that in the pic?
[17:10:35] <ssi> I dunno what brand it is... I get it from mcmaster
[17:10:41] <ssi> but it's similar if not identical to the misumi 20mm
[17:12:22] <IchGuckLive> CaptHindsight: russin misses hit good
[17:13:15] <CaptHindsight> I know McMaster sources from Metal Supermarkets for lots of their raw materials
[17:14:25] <CaptHindsight> they say 80-20 compatible for the T-slot
[17:16:20] <ssi> the inch stuff is 80/20 compatible
[17:16:23] <ssi> this stuff is metric
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[17:16:47] <CaptHindsight> http://www.mcmaster.com/#metric-t-slotted-framing/=svmjsy does it have the grooves as shown in the pic?
[17:17:07] <jymmm> It's compatible... by a factor of 25.4 =)
[17:17:16] <ssi> no, the metric stuff is smooth, the inch s tuff has the grooves
[17:19:57] <ssi> heh my HV power supply just came
[17:20:00] <ssi> it looks like a piece of crap :P
[17:20:25] <CaptHindsight> does it say "Zenith" on the side? :)
[17:20:33] <ssi> I wish :P
[17:20:36] <ssi> it says "MAJOR"
[17:20:43] <ssi> and also a bunch of chinese
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[17:23:38] <jymmm> CaptHindsight: Zenith?! How dumb is that... HEATHKIT silly!
[17:24:05] <ssi> auction showed it coming with an anode cap, but it didn't
[17:24:09] <ssi> and the anode lead is pretty short
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[17:31:06] <IchGuckLive> hi sylphiae
[17:32:09] <sylphiae> hi
[17:37:28] <Connor> ssi Ebay ? I would complain to the seller.
[17:37:33] <jdh> heh
[17:37:42] <IchGuckLive> sylphiae: if CNC related poblems or linuxcnc just ask
[17:37:58] <jdh> I assume it was cheap and came from china?
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[17:40:18] <sylphiae> IchGuckLive: thanks, i'm good for now
[17:42:34] <IchGuckLive> :-)
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[17:43:50] <ssi> Connor: I did
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[17:49:16] <k6mle-CNC> I have looked at the direction signals with a breakout box and they appear to be getting sent as they should, however, the motor doesn't always change direction!
[17:49:44] <k6mle-CNC> Am I back to a hold/setup timing issue again?
[17:51:02] <archivist> probably not
[17:51:12] <IchGuckLive> hi k6mle
[17:51:21] <k6mle-CNC> Hi Ich
[17:51:26] <archivist> when you looked at the signal was it properly 0 or 5 v
[17:51:31] <IchGuckLive> still geck hassard
[17:51:38] <jdh> I have had a stepper not change direction due to a loose motor wire. I would not have thought that possible except that replacing the ferrule and re-tighening it made it work perfectly
[17:51:59] <k6mle-CNC> There seems to be some noise on it, but not a lot.
[17:52:43] <archivist> and looking via halscope is not analogue on a parport pin
[17:52:51] <k6mle-CNC> jdh: I might as well try resoldering the motor wires to the DB9 ...
[17:53:30] <cradek> very bad mechanical resonance or very wrong acceleration settings can cause a motor to turn the wrong way, too
[17:54:01] <k6mle-CNC> arch: I was using the "test this axis" jog function (letting it go back and forth over a .5" area to confirm my direction findings ...
[17:54:02] <cradek> I wonder what kind of "breakout box" this was and whether you looked with a scope
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[17:54:45] <jdh> and did the scope show a full 5v and return to 0v
[17:54:54] <k6mle-CNC> The breakout box is a rarely-used GC Electronics unit ...
[17:55:19] <k6mle-CNC> Scope is a Fluke 196B scopemeter ...
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[17:55:44] <k6mle-CNC> scope did make the transition from +5 to 0v.
[17:56:00] <archivist> is the pin going fully 0-5 or just about halfway
[17:56:22] <k6mle-CNC> pin is making the full swing ...
[17:56:23] <jdh> and it isn't a laptop?
[17:56:43] <k6mle-CNC> not laptop ... desktop
[17:57:18] <archivist> I diagnosed one breakout by going the other side of the opto IN a driver to see if the signal got through (it did not)
[17:57:56] <k6mle-CNC> I've looked at the signals on the output of the breakout box and they do appear.
[17:58:18] <jdh> he means look at the other side of teh opto on the g540
[17:58:28] <archivist> full swing ?
[17:58:40] <k6mle-CNC> arch: 0 - 5v
[17:58:42] <archivist> I got half swing
[17:59:58] <k6mle-CNC> arch: checked again ... it IS half swing!
[17:59:58] <archivist> if the dir pin swings properly the driver is at fault
[18:00:35] <archivist> half swing is a symptom of a series resistor in the driver AND breakout board
[18:00:57] <archivist> therefore insufficient drive to the internal opto
[18:01:32] <k6mle-CNC> So the G540 has optos on the DB25 inputs?
[18:02:01] <PCW> Yes a common and fairly bad design decision
[18:02:06] <archivist> my drivers do (longshine)
[18:02:39] <archivist> the brave shorts the external series R
[18:02:58] <PCW> trying to drive high current OPTOs from a active HIGH TTL output
[18:03:10] <archivist> we need to write that problem up on the wiki methinks
[18:03:34] <k6mle-CNC> I could make a kluge breakout ... just a pair of DB25's with wire between ... bypassing anything inside this breakout box?
[18:03:57] <archivist> I use open collector buffers
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[18:04:01] <PCW> you might try a pullup resistor on a DIR line
[18:04:50] <k6mle-CNC> PCW: I don't have an 'easy' source of 5v ...
[18:05:11] <k6mle-CNC> for a pullup.
[18:05:16] <PCW> say 330 Ohm (usb cable for 5V)
[18:05:39] <cradek> what do you have plugged into what with what? is this breakout thing a permanent part of it?
[18:06:01] <PCW> G540= built-in breakout
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[18:07:50] <k6mle-CNC> I have a cable foming from the computer's parallel port, directly to the GC breakout box; the output of the breakout box goes to the DB25 of the G540.
[18:08:17] <archivist> what is on the GC thing
[18:08:18] <k6mle-CNC> I'd normally only run the cable from the computer directly to the G540 ...
[18:08:18] <cradek> what is a GC breakout box?
[18:08:22] <PCW> did you try the G540 directly connected to the PC
[18:08:28] <PCW> ?
[18:09:10] <k6mle-CNC> Just introduced the breakout box this morning to try and give signal access for a scope ... the breakout box is probably something dating back to the 1980's!
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[18:12:07] <k6mle-CNC> I'm going to pull the motor cable and resolder the wires to the DB9's ... they currently are going through a connector that was an adapter from the old system.
[18:12:10] <cradek> so depending what's in there, you may have changed the behavior you're trying to measure
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[18:12:34] <k6mle-CNC> depending on what's in the breakout box?
[18:12:39] <cradek> yes
[18:13:33] <k6mle-CNC> I've looked for a schematic for it ... can't locate one ... it has LED's, DIP switches and jumper connectors on it ... I guess it was also used to reconfigure RS232 on the 'fly'!
[18:14:13] <cradek> oh it's a serial breakout box. it may not have ground wired...?
[18:14:36] <IchGuckLive> DONT go of the problem yu are trifting away from dir
[18:14:42] <cradek> I suppose if you did turn all the switches on, it would work fine, but don't trust the LEDs
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[18:15:33] <k6mle-CNC> It does pass pins 18 - 25 through, which are called as ground by Gecko.
[18:15:39] <k6mle-CNC> I worry the LED's are introducing some signal loading problems...
[18:15:48] <cradek> mine here won't connect (doesn't have a switch for) pin 1, which is a useful parport signal
[18:16:20] <cradek> or maybe it's always connected, I dunno
[18:16:52] <cradek> yes it expects +-9 or more. an LED can be a big load on a parport.
[18:17:04] <IchGuckLive> im off BYE
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[18:17:11] <k6mle-CNC> For the moment, let me get this motor cable resoldered and remove it as a variable.
[18:17:13] <cradek> I would not trust it
[18:17:16] <k6mle-CNC> See you Ich!
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[18:17:59] <CaptHindsight> there are ~$10 LPT breakout boards on ebay that buffer the outputs and also have optos on the inputs
[18:18:20] <CaptHindsight> some even have relays for the spindle motor
[18:18:45] <k6mle-CNC> can't even build one for that low price!
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[18:19:57] <CaptHindsight> for $15 they come with a 3ft LPT cable
[18:20:49] <k6mle-CNC> okay ... going to take care of the motor cable and try it after lunch ... BIAB
[18:21:16] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/111149514180
[18:21:42] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/310702269807 the USB is just for 5V from the PC
[18:23:45] <skunkworks> http://youtu.be/HPzow8L1dxw
[18:24:02] <skunkworks> that is one of those cheap bobs running from a 5i25..
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[18:26:57] <ssi> skunkworks: what is that table from?
[18:27:23] <skunkworks> it is a turco trainer - got it from a local school auction
[18:27:31] <ssi> I like it
[18:27:39] <skunkworks> it is a cool little machine
[18:27:48] <DaViruz> ha ett nytt
[18:27:51] <DaViruz> aha
[18:28:18] <skunkworks> http://electronicsam.com/images/emco/terco.JPG
[18:29:35] <DaViruz> ..wrong channel
[18:36:47] <ssi> that's pretty cool
[18:36:51] <ssi> the round column isn't ideal tho
[18:40:07] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BsxD2xKIYAAPEFb.jpg:large
[18:40:15] <ssi> ok frame extension is begun
[18:40:24] <ssi> that should give me plenty of room for the tube
[18:40:33] <ssi> just gotta figure out if I want to enclose that square or angled
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[19:07:11] <jthornton> ssi, what are you building?
[19:09:50] <ssi> laser
[19:10:00] <jthornton> cool
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[19:13:42] <ssi> so I got teh parker servos in the mail
[19:13:51] <ssi> the cables it came with are very nice, but I don't think they're compatible with the gemini drives
[19:14:06] <jdh> we have thoses servos on aries drives
[19:15:20] <ssi> yeah... the aries has a db9 for feedback
[19:15:30] <ssi> the encoder cables on these are terminated with db9s
[19:15:39] <ssi> but the power cables are terminated with CPCs
[19:16:08] <jdh> round thingies?
[19:16:25] <ssi> ya
[19:16:30] <ssi> circular plastic connectors :P
[19:16:38] <jdh> that's what I said.
[19:16:43] <ssi> :)
[19:17:38] <ssi> trying to find info on the motors so I can get the encoder pinout
[19:17:42] <ssi> curious what pins these cables break out
[19:17:51] <ssi> cause the encoder connector on the motor is 17 pins, but only 8 are carried out
[19:18:07] <jdh> we have some others that store teh config in the encoder.
[19:18:12] <ssi> model # on the motor is CM231BL
[19:20:01] <ssi> ok that means it's custom, CM231BL would be a SM231BL
[19:21:15] <jdh> do they have gearboxes?
[19:21:18] <ssi> http://www.compumotor.com/literature/pdf/pg196_sm_wiring.pdf
[19:21:24] <ssi> no gearboxes, but they do have brakes
[19:22:22] <ssi> this isn't helpful heh
[19:22:43] <jdh> that's a lot of wires
[19:22:53] <ssi> yeah... heh
[19:22:58] <ssi> there's two big connectors on these motors
[19:23:10] <ssi> the left one is six high-current pins, the right one is 17 smaller pins
[19:23:14] <ssi> although four are unpopulated
[19:23:50] <ssi> found specs tho
[19:24:32] <ssi> 54oz-in stall torque, 160oz-in peak torque, 7500rpm rated speed, 4.8A current at speed, 44oz-in torque at speed
[19:26:04] <jdh> what are you going to put them on?
[19:26:07] <automata> PCW: can you direct me to a 7i90 firmware that has EPP host, 2x 7i47 and smart serial master(host)
[19:26:14] <ssi> probably the 704 :p
[19:26:22] <jdh> with a gearbox?
[19:26:25] <ssi> yeah
[19:26:31] <ssi> I already have reductions built
[19:27:12] <automata> I found 7i90_epp_svst8_12_2x7i47.bit in the download... but how can I verify the smart serial master on J1 will work
[19:27:20] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BKLi5haCMAIynMD.jpg:large
[19:27:48] <automata> also, how can I modify that pin file to do 12 encoders and 12 stepgens for the 7i47's
[19:27:53] <ssi> may have to recut the plates to support the nema23 profile
[19:27:55] <ssi> may work as is
[19:28:05] <ssi> looks like I'll need smaller bore pulleys
[19:28:20] <jdh> that's a lot of stepgens and encoders
[19:28:48] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BKR1ZaVCcAAQ_7t.jpg:large
[19:29:25] <ssi> maybe I'll leave those as is and put these servos on the plasma table instead :P
[19:29:28] <ssi> might be a waste
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[19:40:14] <CaptHindsight> the $10 PCIe LPT cards come with a windows config utility to modify the config EEPROM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/170988778068
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[20:06:30] <Deejay> gn8
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[20:20:19] <Flipp> linuxcnc newb question: why do most builds use LPT ports?
[20:21:23] <cradek> they are cheap/free and plentiful and work tolerably well
[20:21:29] <cradek> but we have much better options nowadays
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[20:40:00] <ssi> Flipp as opposed to what?
[20:41:11] <Flipp> ssi: ethernet, usb, uart, etc
[20:41:38] <ssi> mostly latency and realtime guarantee issues
[20:48:20] <k6mle-CNC> Changed the setup here and have the motor cables nice and tight ... still getting a missed direction change ... only testing the X axis at the moment ...
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[21:01:17] <jymmm> cradek:
http://codepad.org/S2HOq9U9
[21:02:05] <ssi> jymmm: talk american
[21:02:49] <k6mle-CNC> Are there any adjustments that can be made to the INI file that could have an effect on missing direction changes?
[21:02:59] <k6mle-CNC> Or would it be all in the HAL file?
[21:03:09] <ssi> have you tried lengthening dirsetup/dirhold?
[21:03:24] <k6mle-CNC> That's in HAL, right?
[21:03:36] <ssi> well yes, but usually the hal file includes a variable from the ini file
[21:04:02] <k6mle-CNC> Let me check what the values are now ...
[21:04:54] <ssi> my G540 machine's timings are 700/700 for dirsetup/dirhold and 2000/2000 for steplen/stepspace
[21:05:16] <k6mle-CNC> Thanks, that's good to know ...
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[21:06:07] <k6mle-CNC> Okay .. I found the lines in the HAL file ... Dirhold and dirsetup are at 200
[21:06:22] <ssi> set your timings the same as mine and see where that gets you
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[21:06:56] <k6mle-CNC> Okay ... I see them in the HAL file, but not in the INI ... unless I've been staring at this stuff too long!
[21:07:07] <ssi> if they're in hal, change them in hal
[21:07:14] <ssi> depends where your initial config came from
[21:07:33] <ssi> in my configs, I have lines that look like this:
[21:07:33] <ssi> setp hm2_5i25.0.stepgen.02.dirsetup [JOINT_2]DIRSETUP
[21:07:53] <ssi> and that references the DIRSETUP value under the [JOINT_2] section of my INI file
[21:07:57] <ssi> but i could just as easily put a number there
[21:08:21] <k6mle-CNC> This is on the X axis in my HAL file: setp stepgen.1.steplen 1
[21:08:34] <k6mle-CNC> is what you have set for 2000?!
[21:09:01] <ssi> yeah, but I use mesa for stepgen, so it may not be apples to apples
[21:09:09] <ssi> sorry, I don't use software stepping at all, so I'm not an authority there
[21:09:25] <k6mle-CNC> ah ... okay ...
[21:09:27] <ssi> stepgen.N.steplen u32 rw
[21:09:27] <ssi> The length of the step pulses, in nanoseconds. Measured from rising edge to falling edge.
[21:09:36] <ssi> 1 nanosecond sounds a bit too short for your step pulse though :)
[21:09:45] <ssi> 2us sounds much more reasonable :)
[21:10:24] <ssi> my hm2 driver's steplen param is also in ns
[21:10:28] <ssi> so yeah, I'd say change that to 2000 :)
[21:10:37] <k6mle-CNC> Well ... let me try it with just the setup/hold times changed to 700 ... if nothing improves, I'll try the steplen...
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[21:10:52] <k6mle-CNC> seem reasonable?
[21:11:03] <ssi> I'd suggest going ahead and setting them to sane values
[21:11:14] <ssi> I think you'll find that if you don't, you may silently lose steps
[21:11:32] <k6mle-CNC> okay
[21:11:55] <k6mle-CNC> I also have: setp stepgen.1.stepspace 0
[21:12:05] <ssi> also 2000
[21:12:05] <k6mle-CNC> That doesn't seem right either!
[21:12:25] <k6mle-CNC> Okay ... making those changes ... then I'll test ...
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[21:18:28] <k6mle-CNC> Still getting dropped direction changes ... using stepconf and testing the X axis by letting it jog back and forth in a .5" area ...
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[21:25:19] <JT-Shop> k6mle-CNC, have you seen the stepper test in the manual?
[21:25:50] <k6mle-CNC> Which manual ... I think I have several ...?
[21:27:24] <JT-Shop> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/common/Stepper_Diagnostics.html
[21:27:39] <JT-Shop> I've used the html so long I forget which manual it is in
[21:27:57] * JT-Shop needs to combine the pdf's into one for 2.6 maybe
[21:28:31] <k6mle-CNC> I haven't worked through that one ... looks like a grand idea! :)
[21:31:24] * JT-Shop goes to play in the dirt with big toys
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[21:51:02] <Flipp> jymmm: nice cube
[22:00:04] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bsxx-rSIAAAnbro.jpg:large
[22:00:06] <ssi> getting there
[22:02:40] <Flipp> ssi nice. going router or laser?
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[22:02:58] <ssi> laser
[22:03:17] <ssi> it'd be a bit flimsy for my tastes as a router
[22:04:13] <PetefromTn_> OOh I spy some custom speakers there LOL..
[22:04:19] <ssi> heh
[22:04:31] <ssi> those are those ugly ass bk12ms I built out of cheap plywood and drywall screws
[22:04:38] <ssi> "custom"
[22:05:00] <ssi> on top of them though is a pair of alpair 12p drivers
[22:05:08] <ssi> maybe i'll lasercut boxes for them :P
[22:05:22] <PetefromTn_> LOL nice..
[22:05:58] <PetefromTn_> I was invited to a guys house this weekend locally who has apparently some kinda sweet sick custom built system he wants me to hear and see...
[22:06:07] <ssi> cool
[22:06:12] <ssi> take notes about what you see and report back :)
[22:06:46] <PetefromTn_> Oh definitely. I am trying to scrape up some nice music to listen to. Been enjoying some Norah Jones and Simply Red in the shop today.
[22:08:21] <PetefromTn_> Apparently he has some really amazing mono blocks he designed too that I am interested to see. He told me about them over the phone. I don't understand 85.9% of what he was talking about but apparently it is awesome LOL...
[22:08:56] <PetefromTn_> You are making good time on that setup won't be long before you are buring your name into some balsa LOL...
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[22:09:23] <ssi> i'm gonna be hamstrung waiting on the tube here before too long
[22:09:28] <ssi> tube isn't supposed to come til next thursday: (
[22:10:05] <ssi> but I guess that'll give me time to get wiring done and start writing hal configs
[22:11:53] <ssi> printing a new mirror mount now
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[22:12:12] <ssi> need to shift the mirror along Y by about 8mm
[22:13:13] <ssi> http://www.prototechnical.com/~imcmahon/mirrormount.png
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[22:22:49] <jymmm> Flipp: I thought so
[22:23:58] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bsx3sw0IYAAveyr.jpg:large
[22:24:04] <ssi> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bsx3wLiIYAA9xp7.jpg:large
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