#linuxcnc | Logs for 2014-07-09

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[00:00:02] <alexchally> PCW, you thinking about what will happen if the drives enable and the duty cycle does not stabilize at 50% immediately/
[00:02:34] <PCW> no, thinking about what happens when you start or stop and there's no PWM
[00:03:28] <alexchally> PCW, on powerup? or?
[00:03:32] <alexchally> sorry, not sure I follow \
[00:03:50] <PCW> powerup and power down
[00:04:00] <alexchally> ah, yeah
[00:04:28] <PCW> so your enables have to work
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[00:04:51] <alexchally> tomorrow I am going to probe around the estop and other pins, and take a look at the signals sent to the servos on startup to see how the OEM dealt with that
[00:05:40] <cradek> I bet it always has a few percent of pwm going
[00:06:17] <cradek> surely it disables on no pwm
[00:06:30] <cradek> because that's the way I'd do it, and everyone is pretty much like me
[00:06:43] <cradek> :-)
[00:07:01] <alexchally> I am almost sure you are right. you can def. hear the drive enable when the softare starts up
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[00:18:03] <alexchally> ok, thanks for the help folks. I will be back tomorrow with more turbonoob questions for y'all!
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[00:18:59] <cradek> anyone who knows when to go looking for a second scope will have no troubles
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[01:16:37] <jdh> this oddly translated 6040 manual says to use inverted outputs for all step/dir pins. What happens if you don't? (other than dir being backwards)?
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[02:18:59] <pcw_home> jdh: step timing would be wrong
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[02:24:03] <cradek> you might even accumulate wrong steps (like at direction change you might get one the wrong way)?
[02:25:45] <jdh> thanks. That might explain some inconsistencies.
[02:25:57] <jdh> though cheap chinese screws would probably be as likely
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[02:27:06] <jdh> moving 9x 0.10" ends up going 0.899 but some of the 0.1" moves are dead on
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[03:22:27] <moorbo> any emco unimat users
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[03:30:46] <anarchos> which VFD are you guys using?
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[03:40:43] <skunkworks_> I have a couple emco compact 5 pc, cnc
[03:41:23] <moorbo> skunkworks_: that 5 in 1, 6 in 1 thing
[03:41:27] <moorbo> the ML or whatever?
[03:41:38] <skunkworks_> ah - no
[03:41:51] <moorbo> heh
[03:42:00] <moorbo> I wanna buy a tiny mill/lathe thing
[03:42:24] <moorbo> and I saw the unimat ML...but I wanted to ask for peoples experience on them
[03:44:28] <skunkworks_> it is always better if you have the room to buy 2 separate machines..
[03:44:48] <moorbo> skunkworks_: I agree.
[03:45:05] <moorbo> dedicated are always better than the multi use things
[03:45:15] <moorbo> I'm just very space limited ;/
[03:47:19] <Jymmm> skunkworks_: Is that like buy a backup house in case one has a full trash can?
[03:47:54] <moorbo> hahaha
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[06:14:01] <archivist> skunkworks_, you would never stop at two machines :)
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[06:25:01] <RyanS> These things only designed to work in pairs? http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/2pc-12mm-KFL001-Pillow-Block-Bearing-Flange-Block-Bearing-/281324890697?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item4180452a49 because they are self aligning
[06:26:09] <archivist> there are almost no bearing that work alone
[06:26:52] <archivist> self aligning bearings allow shoddy mounting
[06:29:13] <RyanS> hmm I want to make chip brush wheel for my bandsaw, I suppose I could put a 30 mm washer in the back to 'lock'bearing at 90
[06:29:46] <RyanS> . I can't be bothered making my own housing, just for that
[06:34:19] <RyanS> Why do have they usually have an oil nozzle? Is not like it has to swivel around all the time,
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[06:39:24] <Deejay> moin
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[06:43:31] <Loetmichel> mornin'
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[07:11:58] <Flipp> I don't know much about leadscrews. Anyone on that has experience with them?
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[07:20:11] <archivist> grrr wait for an answer..... 5 minutes is not a proper IRC wait
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[07:30:08] <syyl_ws> its not even a proper question
[07:30:09] <syyl_ws> ;)
[07:30:29] <Deejay> ^^
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[07:33:18] <RyanS> As is hilarious, there is a place in Australia selling aluminium profile to "hobbyists"For DOUBLE the price of 'proper'suppliers
[07:34:24] <archivist> he will be buying from proper and then there is cost of selling and profit, what do you expect
[07:35:34] <archivist> for abusive profit see jewellery mark up
[07:35:45] <syyl_ws> whats the problem, just dont buy there?
[07:36:17] <RyanS> , for example, I bought some cutting tools and directly from Guhring, and it was cheaper than some cutting tools from model engineering places
[07:36:59] <RyanS> I'm just saying and eBay store and readily accessible prices seem to indicate cheap to people
[07:37:36] <RyanS> Although in Australia, everything is ridiculously priced
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[07:38:13] <archivist> your $ is worth less so it will look a higher price
[07:38:57] <RyanS> It's pretty much across the board. Everything is pretty expensive
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[08:26:42] <Tom_itx> RyanS, always buy as close to the original source as possible
[08:27:50] <Tom_itx> although most of them have caught on and sell to the public at 'public' prices like the end retailers
[08:28:21] <RyanS> yeah
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[08:40:39] <RyanS> I'm sold "ALUSIC are a world-class Italian brand and are used by blue-chip clients including Ferrari, Lamborghini," aaaand "Lindt" what more could you want from an aluminium profile
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[08:41:44] <archivist> "blue-chip clients" often use cheap crap to maximise profits
[08:42:22] <RyanS> That's true, but they said Ferrari damnit
[08:42:33] <RyanS> I hate cars anyhow
[08:43:50] <RyanS> Plastic profiles spray-painted silver
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[12:53:13] <Loetmichel> *gnah*... i should have measured before ordering these couplings. too big. so i had to fire up the late... http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=15011 (left turned down, mittle original, right as bought... ) http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=15014
[12:54:43] <jdh> what were teh original couplings?
[12:55:00] <jdh> got any pics of stuff clamped to your table?
[12:55:29] <Loetmichel> jdh: thje middle ones
[12:55:34] <jdh> the couplers that came with mine look like pretty plain lovejoy style
[12:55:41] <jdh> yeah, didn't see that pic at first
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[12:58:20] <jdh> the breakout board that came with mine doesn't have any physical pins for additional IO
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[12:59:11] <Loetmichel> jdh: i dont cclamp
[12:59:14] <Loetmichel> i glue
[12:59:14] <jdh> It has 3 holes marked PWM-IN with GND/SIG/VCC. PWM in to what though?
[12:59:25] <jdh> to the aluminum table?
[12:59:30] <Loetmichel> even the occasional used vice is glued to the tapbe
[12:59:38] <Loetmichel> to the pvc vaccuum table
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[13:00:04] <Loetmichel> the vaccum table is screwed to the aluminium
[13:00:09] <jdh> gotcha
[13:00:47] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14682
[13:00:54] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14685
[13:01:04] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14688
[13:01:15] <jdh> your vfd is massive compared to mine
[13:02:08] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14766
[13:02:26] <Loetmichel> its the bigger one
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[13:02:32] <Loetmichel> 2.2kw i think
[13:03:29] <jdh> mine was mounted inside the electronics enclosure
[13:05:11] <jthornton> jdh, you get all your stuff finally?
[13:05:11] <Loetmichel> mine came solo
[13:05:52] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14115&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 <- all the parts just unpackaged
[13:06:01] <jdh> yeah. spent last night calibrating/etc
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[13:06:21] <jthornton> got a photo of it?
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[13:06:58] <jdh> jthornton: http://tinyurl.com/l5uuv8l
[13:07:51] <jthornton> nice
[13:08:39] <jdh> it is all better than I expected. If it had better VFD wire I'd be happier though.
[13:09:23] <jdh> 4 wire connectors to the spindle but no shield and no ground.
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[13:11:41] <jdh> and one of the bolt holes for the gantry mounting stripped with no effort
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[13:14:23] <jthornton> it came as a box of parts?
[13:15:09] <jdh> not really. Just table + gantry
[13:15:34] <jdh> 5 bolts on each side for the gantry.
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[13:55:46] <tehcereal> hello can anyone help me identify this metal
[13:55:53] <tehcereal> http://imgur.com/A6U4hX9,8wA6Oqv?#1
[13:56:06] <tehcereal> i know its not quite the place to ask
[13:56:15] <archivist_herron> zinc plated
[13:56:18] <tehcereal> but u guys know this stuff :D
[13:56:34] <archivist_herron> is it magnetic
[13:56:43] <Fuchikoma> Zinc plated steel
[13:56:49] <Fuchikoma> Dip galvanized
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[13:57:23] <archivist_herron> we can see the typical zinc crystal structure
[13:57:24] <tehcereal> archivist, will check it out now
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[13:58:06] <tehcereal> yes it is
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[13:58:41] <Loetmichel> jdh: it helbs a LOT if you bolt the y SBRs down to a flat surface btw... http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14139
[13:58:50] <tehcereal> so its zinc plated steel i guess then?
[13:58:54] <Loetmichel> stabilitiy wise
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[13:59:01] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14130
[13:59:04] <Fuchikoma> tehcereal: Almost certainly
[13:59:20] <tehcereal> thank you guys :D
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[14:34:01] <jdh> Loetmichel: is there a bearing break-in procedure for these spindles?
[14:36:00] <Loetmichel> not that i know of
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[14:36:15] <Loetmichel> just keep it slow unti it reaches 30°vc
[14:36:17] <Loetmichel> -v
[14:36:23] <Loetmichel> +l
[14:36:23] <jdh> a cart like that would make my space problems better.
[14:36:34] <Loetmichel> that was a computer desk
[14:36:36] <Loetmichel> ;-)
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[14:36:51] <Loetmichel> just added a spare piece of kitchen counter
[14:37:34] <jdh> I need a NowForever D100 vfd manual. I found an E100 manual that is probably close enough, but...
[14:38:18] <jdh> You only have one limit/home switch for X?
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[15:51:24] <zeeshan-laptop> i need to cut 3" to 6" diameter circles out of multiple stacked sheets of 3"x3" and 6"x6" respectively on a 3 axis cnc milling machine. any suggestions for work holding?
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[15:52:24] <marmite_> dont know inches really , but sounds large :D but what about dubble sided tape, really strong one, and clamps?
[15:52:33] <marmite_> i usuly build clamps for what iam doing
[15:52:39] <marmite_> with the left over material
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[15:53:09] <jdh> are the stacked sheets really a requirement?
[15:54:24] <archivist> you cannot finish the cut without clamping the disk
[15:54:33] <marmite_> stacking is complicated
[15:54:35] <archivist> leaves a pip
[15:55:23] <archivist> just the job for a blanking press
[15:57:03] <archivist> is the disk the product or the hole
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[16:00:39] <jdh> E006 - Ambient Temperature is too high. Inverter airiness is badness.
[16:05:49] <agile_netvark> THIS IS BADNESS
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[16:06:12] <ssi> ahahah
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[16:18:40] <Loetmichel> *GNAH* i HATE this vmware vcenter server... every few months i have to generate a new account to get a new eval license... and EVERY time its after work hours that boss decides "i need that test server tomorrow morning!"... *waiting for the account activation emal so i can renew the ecval license... (boss is a cheapskate.. buying a $1k licens for use every few months? no waay!)
[16:19:36] <ssi> I don't use the vcenter stuff for that reason... I just figured out how to do it all from the esxi command line
[16:19:42] <ssi> it's a hassle, but it's freeeeee :D
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[16:21:32] <Loetmichel> ssi: have to
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[16:21:43] <Loetmichel> tis "server" is a small box to test our thin clients
[16:21:43] <ssi> whyfor?
[16:22:08] <Loetmichel> that ONLY speak the wyse/teradici protocol
[16:22:13] <ssi> I see
[16:22:28] <ssi> it's been ages since i screwed with thin clients
[16:23:01] <ssi> in 1999 i ran a project where we did thin client networks where the thin client actually ran local Xwin
[16:23:09] <ssi> was much nicer, especially over slow networks
[16:23:39] <ssi> I had to make a full linux system including xwin and netscape all fit in a 4 MB disk on chip
[16:23:45] <Loetmichel> so i had üput an i3-mini-itx board in a box, put a disk in, some ram, and a network kcadr, placed an esxi on it with 5(!) vms: 2 server 2003 for dAD and the host for Vcenter, one Vcenter appliance, and 2 test enviromets with win7 and xp
[16:24:11] <Loetmichel> that i3 is running on the last byte of ram... (8gb is way to small, but the board cant do more)
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[16:25:05] <Loetmichel> its the silver box in this pic: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14412
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[16:43:23] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
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[17:39:13] <JesusAlos> hi
[17:39:16] <IchGuckLive> hi
[17:39:34] <IchGuckLive> is the guy still alive today hit very hard
[17:39:51] <IchGuckLive> saw blood al over his face
[17:40:16] <IchGuckLive> and so many girls with luck to not be hit faliled only a inch if
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[17:42:36] <JesusAlos> yes they are crazy
[17:43:13] <IchGuckLive> http://www.rtve.es/noticias/san-fermin/
[17:43:26] <JesusAlos> how about hangover
[17:43:30] <JesusAlos> in germany run rivers of beer
[17:43:33] <IchGuckLive> best has been horned in the nacket ass
[17:43:46] <IchGuckLive> oh no they gote work all
[17:45:41] <IchGuckLive> JesusAlos: can you please get me the info on the moving cam if it is a wire or a drone cam
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[17:46:03] <IchGuckLive> RTVE does not have a eng side
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[17:46:16] <IchGuckLive> hi arturia
[17:47:05] <arturia> hi
[17:47:17] <JesusAlos> you speak about the camera?
[17:47:21] <IchGuckLive> if you got cnc related question just ask
[17:47:42] <IchGuckLive> JesusAlos: yes it sometimes stock so i thought about a drone
[17:47:56] <IchGuckLive> but today it seamed wire movement
[17:48:25] <JesusAlos> no. there are several cameras around the circuit
[17:48:45] <IchGuckLive> from curva Mercadres to estafata
[17:48:57] <JesusAlos> Drone are prohibited with 600€ of fine
[17:49:40] <IchGuckLive> oh they cauth today quatro people with phones making pictures in the bulles range
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[17:49:54] <IchGuckLive> there is also a fine on them
[17:50:46] <IchGuckLive> the guy that has been taken a 2 buls full fallover is in navarra with 12 broken bones ! COOL
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[17:52:31] <IchGuckLive> @ all full bullrun today http://www.rtve.es/alacarta/videos/sanfermines/muy-peligroso-tercer-encierro-sanfermines-2014-toros-victoriano-del-rio/2650876/
[17:53:40] <IchGuckLive> arturia: where are you from in the world of CNC im in germany
[17:55:10] <arturia> chicago
[17:55:18] <IchGuckLive> the windy city
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[17:58:26] <JesusAlos> would be nice to do bulls in Germany
[17:58:50] <JesusAlos> like "bous al carrer"
[17:59:19] <IchGuckLive> i dont think the greens and allt the natures are at your guess
[17:59:51] <IchGuckLive> JesusAlos: more like you got hit by a truck
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[18:00:58] <JesusAlos> there are other options http://www.solostocks.com/img/carro-con-cabeza-de-toro-6079752z0.jpg
[18:01:52] <IchGuckLive> the homemade with the milled bull face are more cnc style
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[18:04:28] <IchGuckLive> hi kanzure
[18:06:47] <JesusAlos> I still have problems with circle issue
[18:07:18] <IchGuckLive> oh i got over your devfoam code
[18:07:36] <IchGuckLive> he uses ascie shiftings to get th best statmark
[18:07:44] <IchGuckLive> as on a lookap list
[18:07:46] <JesusAlos> I change the g-code http://pastebin.com/FqMWzWKQ
[18:07:54] <JesusAlos> and still fail
[18:08:10] <JesusAlos> I do it with cambam
[18:08:23] <IchGuckLive> G1 F300.0
[18:08:27] <IchGuckLive> no movement
[18:09:02] <JesusAlos> in machine only have XY axis
[18:09:15] <IchGuckLive> so eleminate the Z
[18:09:31] <IchGuckLive> there is a foam POOST in heeks that outputs no Z
[18:09:35] <JesusAlos> I have other gcode without Z
[18:09:57] <JesusAlos> I eliminate the Z but still fail
[18:10:17] <JesusAlos> I thinking in the resolution of Mesanet 7i77 cards
[18:10:29] <JesusAlos> is possible there are problems in low speed?
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[18:11:18] <IchGuckLive> no
[18:12:50] <IchGuckLive> T0 is not for use in work
[18:13:12] <JesusAlos> I want to upload a image to show you
[18:13:25] <JesusAlos> but imagebin is bad site
[18:13:35] <JesusAlos> there are other website?
[18:13:54] <archivist> many
[18:14:07] <IchGuckLive> G64P0.5
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[18:15:54] <JesusAlos> http://postimg.org/image/94xulp4pp/
[18:16:01] <JesusAlos> this is the effect
[18:16:17] <archivist> that is a mechanical problem
[18:16:24] <JesusAlos> the result is the same with several Gcodes
[18:16:34] <archivist> fix your backlash
[18:16:46] <JesusAlos> the spped converter go to 0 rpm
[18:17:05] <JesusAlos> I fix backlash too
[18:17:32] <archivist> fix it properly and remove backlash compensation from linuxcnc
[18:17:37] <JesusAlos> only happens in vertical
[18:17:48] <JesusAlos> in X axis
[18:17:49] <pcw_home> if that does not show up as ferror, its likely mechanical
[18:17:55] <IchGuckLive> i think the wire is getting behind your movement
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[18:19:57] <JesusAlos> ok but I don't undestand why the spped of converter show to 0rpm in display when must be move
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[18:21:02] <pcw_home> converter?
[18:21:02] <Flipp_> looking for some general tips on leadscrews; anyone here use any?
[18:21:53] <JesusAlos> i create a var speed in axis with PyVCP and can view move in linuxcnc and not in converter display
[18:22:10] <IchGuckLive> hi Flipp_
[18:22:20] <Flipp_> heya! :)
[18:22:23] <IchGuckLive> metric or inch your mashine
[18:22:29] <IchGuckLive> im in germany
[18:22:34] <archivist> Flipp_, we all use them can you ask a better question
[18:22:47] <IchGuckLive> is it a stepper
[18:22:50] <IchGuckLive> a mill
[18:22:52] <JesusAlos> converter = http://www.mecmod.com/fotos/414/Delta-VFD-EL.jpg
[18:23:11] <Flipp_> haha, sure, I just didn't want to spam the room if nobody was around that used 'em
[18:23:12] <archivist> inverter
[18:23:23] <IchGuckLive> JesusAlos: i did a g-code correction that works fine here
[18:23:24] <archivist> not converter
[18:23:40] <JesusAlos> sorry
[18:23:43] <IchGuckLive> Flipp_: best is to use Ballscrew
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[18:24:02] <IchGuckLive> JesusAlos: see querry
[18:24:04] <Flipp_> I've used belts for linear motion before when building a couple 3d printers, but now (I think?) I'm going to need to use some screws for linear motion as I'm building my pick and place
[18:24:12] <pcw_home> look like a VFD ...
[18:24:25] <IchGuckLive> Flipp_: for 3D printers belt is best
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[18:24:35] <zeeshan-laptop> regarding circles
[18:24:37] <zeeshan-laptop> i just made a jig
[18:24:49] <IchGuckLive> Flipp_: then you need rack pinion its to expensiv and to hevy to mont
[18:24:49] <archivist> is he using a vfd to drive an axis
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[18:25:09] <pcw_home> VFDs do not make good servo drives typically
[18:25:11] <archivist> because they have deadbands
[18:25:20] <Flipp_> IchGuckLive: ? why not use leadscrews or ballscrews?
[18:25:37] <pcw_home> yes rotor flux goes away at reversals
[18:25:47] <IchGuckLive> cause you dont need that fine movement
[18:25:59] <pcw_home> and takes time to build up again
[18:26:02] <Flipp_> IchGuckLive: for a smd pick and place machine?
[18:26:03] <IchGuckLive> Flipp_: most uses 0.254mm
[18:26:14] <IchGuckLive> oh no for that
[18:26:25] <IchGuckLive> you need to go as best as you can
[18:26:28] <IchGuckLive> so Ballscrew
[18:26:34] <pcw_home> a good vector drive should help but its still not a servo drive
[18:26:37] <Flipp_> ah, okay, that's what I figured :D
[18:26:40] <archivist> Flipp_, ballscrew for minimum backlash
[18:27:35] <Flipp_> okay. I've seen leadscrews with anti-backlash nuts. how do those compare to ballscrews (which I assume use recirculating balls in the carriages?)
[18:27:54] <archivist> depends on quality
[18:28:35] <tjtr33> i'm looking for precise ball screw with 10pitch. anyone know of c3 grade for such? only finding c5 (nsk thk hiwin... )
[18:28:42] <archivist> often the cheap screws have inaccuracies in the linear plane that you wont want
[18:29:41] <archivist> Flipp_, but you can map the errors and correct
[18:29:42] <rob_h> We got a C3 afew months back for lathe X screw
[18:30:00] <tjtr33> rob_h, hi pitch?
[18:30:05] <rob_h> 5mm
[18:30:16] <rob_h> but can have 5,10,15,20 etc the normal stock ones
[18:30:18] <kfoltman_> Loetmichel: I've tested the thing with my new 24V power supply
[18:30:37] <kfoltman_> Loetmichel: 2000 mm/min on X, 1500 on Y (due to stupid gearing)
[18:30:40] <rob_h> we had a screw with preloaded single nut, was about 600mm long.. 700 i think off top my head
[18:30:56] <tjtr33> rob_h, got link? max pitch c3 for me was 5pitch
[18:31:01] <rob_h> then we just machined the ends
[18:31:04] <IchGuckLive> Flipp_: the standard will fit your need
[18:31:19] <IchGuckLive> Flipp_: what size is the movement
[18:32:06] <rob_h> give us a sec
[18:32:22] <Flipp_> IchGuckLive: for x/y, probably no more than 40-60cm or so. for Z, probably around 5-10 CM
[18:32:42] <tjtr33> rob_h, :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-Qwxu_zo8Y
[18:32:44] <Flipp_> archivist: hmm... ballscrews sound way more precise, but are they really an order of magnitude more expensive? I'm seeing $500+ for THK O.o
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[18:33:10] <archivist> THK is one of the leading makers
[18:33:24] <IchGuckLive> Flipp_: ok it is best to go servo for best speed if hobbyist it is good to stay steppers with FPGA insted of parport
[18:33:33] <archivist> that would be a ground one, you can get cheap rolled ones
[18:34:04] <tjtr33> Flipp_, beware of used ebay stuff with bearings ( crunchy frog syndrome , maybe rebuildable tho )
[18:34:14] <Loetmichel> kfoltman_: and? metter when milling that PS stuff?
[18:34:45] <rob_h> tjtr33, http://www.jena-tec.co.uk/ballscrews.php
[18:34:52] <archivist> I have a cheap fleabay one ballscrew, it has a little backlash
[18:34:55] <tjtr33> rob_h, thx, will look
[18:35:16] <kfoltman_> Loetmichel: didn't try yet, will need to do some more upgrades before I try again :)
[18:35:40] <rob_h> we gave up with hiwin, nsk etc etc no stock. long wait times also adermant they machined the ends to our drawings
[18:35:42] <Flipp_> archivist: are there any good lists of suppliers? I know of mcmaster, amazon, alibaba and ebay, but aside from mcmaster most of the others probably sell cheaply made stuff
[18:36:41] <Flipp_> IchGuckLive: Ya. I'm designing my own circuitry for the controller board (USB + stepper drivers), likely with parallel port emulation if I use LinuxCNC for control
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[18:37:02] <Flipp_> tjtr33: yup. I'm learning pretty quick the "cost" of cheap stuff ;)
[18:37:04] <tjtr33> rob_h, didja see the vid link above ^^^ KSS makes some hi speed stuff, too small for normal machines tho
[18:37:28] <tjtr33> Flipp_, welcome to my garage
[18:37:33] <rob_h> tjtr33, just found our quote it was a 40mm screw OD, 5 pitch, 420 long
[18:37:38] <IchGuckLive> Flipp_: go for ethernet
[18:37:39] <rob_h> 450 +vat and del
[18:37:43] <archivist> Flipp_, there are a number of suppliers to home builders using the lower cost asian sources like http://www.worldofcnc.com/collections/ballscrews
[18:37:50] <kfoltman_> rob_h: 40mm!
[18:38:11] <IchGuckLive> ok im off bye
[18:38:13] <rob_h> yea we looked the hiwin stand at there new range of rails and stuff
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[18:38:16] <archivist> good solid meaty machine nourishment
[18:38:28] <tjtr33> rob_h, woot! i can only pray 1/2 length is 1/2 price ( i wish i wish )
[18:38:30] <Flipp_> archivist: AWESOME. thanks, I love collecting supplier lists, and it looks like that one is a goldmine
[18:38:48] <rob_h> u find they price it per 100mm
[18:39:16] <kfoltman_> Loetmichel: actually, I brought some ABS sheet too today, will have to try with that
[18:39:16] <rob_h> Accuracy Grade IT3 (12μm/300mm)
[18:39:30] <Flipp_> IchGuckLive: I might :) I've got a UDoo laying around looking for something to do, and it may be the controller board I build on. sad part is it's 3.3v control logic though :(
[18:39:45] <rob_h> that included a single preloaded (pre solection of balls) nut also, was blank so had to drill it
[18:40:15] <Flipp_> archivist: at the risk of being annoying, do you know any other go-to supplier sites offhand?
[18:40:26] <tjtr33> rob_h, drill flange or what?
[18:40:41] <archivist> I would have to google...Zapp automation
[18:41:06] <archivist> arc euro trade (local to me)
[18:41:07] <rob_h> yea we asked for blank screw and nut so we could machine it our selfs to match... other wise was 1 week wait it hink
[18:41:26] <tjtr33> rob_h, thx, off studying what you linked
[18:41:40] <rob_h> plus its on old Hardinge so all imperial sizes
[18:41:59] <rob_h> nearles to say we changed the bearings to metric while at it, nearly as much as the screw
[18:42:10] <rob_h> quad set each end
[18:42:12] <tjtr33> where did those yanks get that goofy imperial stuff ? :)
[18:42:33] <archivist> I did get a huge ballscrew for a knee off ebay for £50
[18:44:21] <rob_h> tjtr33, screw is out of this on X , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7V57_7H9zw
[18:47:30] <tjtr33> hehe "old Control was aFanuc 6T" old? :)
[18:48:14] <tjtr33> i wrote tui macros on system 6's
[18:48:15] <rob_h> mind u i saw a machine with fanuc 3 other day
[18:48:35] <rob_h> that should be in a musium
[18:48:42] <kfoltman_> Loetmichel: tried a 1mm ABS sheet now, f500 but gcode sent by hand in UGCS, made a very nice rectangle with slight burr
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[18:49:35] <kfoltman_> Loetmichel: milling PS = it turns into gummy goo; milling ABS = it turns into powder
[18:51:38] <kfoltman_> archivist: is marchant dice stuff any better than ordinary the Chinese cheapola?
[18:52:05] <JesusAlos> bye
[18:52:07] <JesusAlos> thank
[18:52:11] <archivist> kfoltman_, I think it is normal chinese stuff
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[18:52:31] <archivist> I have never used them
[18:52:43] <kfoltman_> archivist: so you reckon I'm better off buying at source? or do they do any extra quality control / vendor verification?
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[18:52:57] <kfoltman_> ahh ok
[18:53:13] <archivist> well some suppliers to do some verification some do not
[18:54:04] <archivist> arc euro can do, they also publish docs so you can fiddle your new machine to make it better
[18:55:20] <Tom_itx> udevd-event [1291] run program: '/sbin/modprobe' abnormal exit
[18:55:30] <Tom_itx> trying to run 8.xx live cd
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[19:08:22] <kfoltman_> Loetmichel: woohoo 1000mm/min worked with polystyrene :)
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[19:25:49] <kfoltman_> Loetmichel: http://i.imgur.com/wgPQJ95.jpg
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[19:47:37] <tehcereal> can someone tell me how important are the endstops.
[19:47:48] <tehcereal> so we can know the 0 0
[19:48:04] <tehcereal> or for a safety issue
[19:48:31] <Fuchikoma> Well you'll nede some means for the controller to know where the machine is physically
[19:48:36] <chally_> do you guys have any idea if the Mesa 7i52S can read a qudrature signal from an accurite linear scale like this one: http://www.acu-rite.com/pdf/SENC150_DataSheet_Nov09.pdf and an HEDS encoder like this one:file:///C:/Users/chally/Downloads/AV02-1867EN_DS_HEDS-9x00_2014-03-17%20(1).pdf ?
[19:49:17] <tehcereal> Fuchikoma, cant we just jog the machine close to the end and set it as 0 0 :D im talking about hobby cnc not the industrial
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[19:50:06] <Fuchikoma> Okay, so you'll have to be careful to do that properly and not to accidentally tell the machine a comamnd that will take it outside its bounds
[19:50:17] <Fuchikoma> Basically, YOU are the endstops.
[19:50:42] <tehcereal> im just asking why do we usually use only one endstop per axis
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[19:51:02] <tehcereal> if its for safety shouldnt we use two
[19:51:05] <tehcereal> :D
[19:51:18] <Fuchikoma> Generally you only need one hard reference, and the machine should know how far each axis can move
[19:51:19] <DaViruz> there is two per axis usually, but they are connected together
[19:51:51] <DaViruz> you can connect all the limit switches together for all axis if you wish too.
[19:52:07] <Fuchikoma> Indeed. The real danger is if something slips and suddenly the machine isn't where the controller thinks it is, in which case endstops on both ends becomes a safety feature
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[19:53:59] <tehcereal> one more question :D do every hobbyist manual home the z axis every time?
[19:54:09] <tehcereal> i suppose the do
[19:54:12] <tehcereal> just making sure
[19:54:36] * Fuchikoma shrugs - no reason not to?
[19:58:23] <anarchos> i am installing my limit/home switches on different pins
[19:58:47] <anarchos> well x+/- on one, y+/- on one and z on one
[19:59:05] <anarchos> in theory they can calibrate at the same time, versus one at a time if all on the same input
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[20:01:41] <PCW> chally_: as long as the scales are quadrature (and have TTL or differential interfaces) they can be used with the 7I52S
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[20:09:35] <ssi> I'm going to start ordering stuff to put together an inexpensive laser cutter
[20:09:45] <ssi> but I don't really know much about lasers :)
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[20:23:35] <SpeedEvil> ssi: I recommend a phased plasma one in the 40W range.
[20:23:45] <ssi> phased plasma?
[20:23:48] <ssi> you're over my head already :)
[20:24:00] <ssi> my plan was to buy a cheap 40W co2 sealed tube to get started
[20:24:09] <ssi> and later perhaps upgrade to a decent quality maybe 80W tube
[20:24:16] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIPCn-aYMoM
[20:24:35] <ssi> lol
[20:25:17] <ssi> the longslide in that scene is an AMT hardballer
[20:25:21] <ssi> I had one... they're not real common :P
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[20:26:52] <SpeedEvil> There is the right way to do a laser cutter - which involves complex optics, and annoying alignment.
[20:27:17] <ssi> what's the wrong way? :P
[20:27:22] <SpeedEvil> And there is the stupid easy way with a vertical laser, and a x/y table which moves under it
[20:27:41] <ssi> yea I'm gonna do the former :P
[20:28:34] * SpeedEvil realises he has never seen terminator 3.
[20:28:51] * SpeedEvil kinda wants to make a TEA CO2 laser
[20:29:01] <ssi> Iced or Hot?
[20:29:19] <SpeedEvil> ~1kw
[20:29:31] <ssi> so hot then
[20:29:36] <ssi> in a 1000W microwave
[20:30:36] <cpresser> the stupid way sounds really smart
[20:31:05] <SpeedEvil> It's not good for 'proper' machines that you might want to ship
[20:31:26] <ssi> plus it's a lot easier to accelerate a focus head than your whole table and workpiece
[20:31:33] <DaViruz> it's not good if you want to accellerate fast
[20:31:36] <SpeedEvil> True
[20:31:45] <cpresser> true. accelleration is an issue :)
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[20:31:55] <SpeedEvil> Cheap lasers never seem to go very fast anyway
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[20:58:19] <Deejay> gn8
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[21:18:17] <alexchally> I think I am going to order the 5i23, 7i52s and 7i37TA today \o/
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[21:40:36] <jdh> why 5i23 in particular?
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[21:55:05] <alexchally> jdh, why not?
[21:55:30] <alexchally> jdh, literally, I don't know. it seems to be the biz people are using, and the PCs I have easily available to me have PCI
[21:55:50] <alexchally> is there a more better solution?
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[22:34:55] <tehcereal> what cam software is popular for hobbyist
[22:35:06] <tehcereal> i read about bamcam and mashcam
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[22:35:32] <tehcereal> meshcam*
[22:36:06] <tehcereal> any good free solutions
[22:36:08] <tehcereal> ?
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[22:50:01] <kfoltman_> tehcereal: not that I know of
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[22:50:38] <kfoltman_> I'm using cambam (evaluation), don't really like it, but it does the job
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[22:56:18] <Tom_itx> alexchally, list your needs and which boards fill them
[22:56:31] <Tom_itx> the most reasonablly...
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[23:01:21] <alexchally> Tom_itx, I am converting a Prototrak EMX mill. I have 2 servos with differential HEDS 9000 encoders, that take a pulse width modulated signal instead of the standard analog voltage
[23:01:46] <alexchally> the computer it is all running on is an unknown right now, but it will be a PCI interface
[23:02:06] <alexchally> I also have a Z axis with glass scale, but no servo (yet)
[23:02:15] <alexchally> there are... inifinity choices it seems
[23:02:23] <alexchally> so I found a couple build logs that looked nice, and just copied :D
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[23:03:27] <Tom_itx> the 5i25 is a fairly new board you might have a look at
[23:03:36] <Tom_itx> don't know much about it since i don't have one
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