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[03:25:43] <anarchos> hola
[03:26:30] <anarchos> on a schematic, what would 1/4-20 mean, in relation to a hole in a piece
[03:28:01] <jdh> 0.25 inch bolt, 20 threads per inch. Fairly standard smallish bolt
[03:28:22] <anarchos> it's actually kinda hard to read with the low resolution, but
http://www.hossmachine.info/images/belt%20conversion%20base%20plate.jpg
[03:28:38] <anarchos> left side
[03:28:42] <anarchos> just below centre
[03:29:13] <anarchos> Ah, thanks. It's just kinda weird because everything else on the schematic is like "4 @ diamter x depth"
[03:29:38] <jdh> I assume it is a threaded hole
[03:29:46] <anarchos> yea makes sense
[03:30:04] <anarchos> i wonder how deep...maybe i'll just make it all the way through
[03:30:28] <jdh> it is shown on teh other view. threaded all the way in to the cutout
[03:30:53] <anarchos> oooh, i was wondering what the squiggly lines were :P
[03:31:01] <anarchos> lol
[03:31:36] <jdh> didn't someone here have a G0704 on one of those grizzly/shop-fox roller bases? What size base?
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[03:33:28] <anarchos> hmm
[03:41:41] <anarchos> sweet, just successfully (so far) designed my first actual useful piece :D
[03:42:52] <jdh> did you make the piece?
[03:43:26] <anarchos> no, just designed it in solidworks :P
[03:58:47] <jdh> you have a g0704 or equiv?
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[04:21:29] <anarchos> just a little guy
[04:21:30] <anarchos> X2
[04:22:23] <jdh> oh, I thought that was one of his g0704 pics
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[05:39:46] <XXCoder> http://www.bbc.com/news/business-28129967
[05:39:48] <XXCoder> wow
[05:39:50] <XXCoder> 10x??
[05:43:07] <ds3> 6
[05:46:10] <Jymmm> Anyone work with PU coiled tubing? Know if it can withstand constant cycling?
[05:47:14] <Jymmm> same with nylon coiled tubing?
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[06:26:19] <anarchos> anyone use TTS?
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[07:58:16] <agile_netvark> gmornin
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[08:54:33] <SpeedEvil> agile_netvark: morning
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[09:54:27] <maximilian_h> hello
[09:54:45] <maximilian_h> is there a way to set an interpreter variable from hal ?
[09:55:08] <maximilian_h> what I want to do is adjust the Z value through a gladevcp panel
[09:56:22] <maximilian_h> so that I can Z90+#1000
[09:56:45] <maximilian_h> where #1000 is the adjustment for the z axis
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[10:22:29] <costas_> hi all. i am using cramps on bbb with pololu drivers. when i power up without issuing any motion comand the motor and the pololu i have connected is getting really hot. Any pointers as to what should i check?
[10:25:47] <archivist_herron> steppers do get hot
[10:26:09] <archivist_herron> mount them on the machine and that keeps them cooled
[10:26:25] <costas_> i mean more than normal
[10:26:48] <costas_> how mounting them on the machine will make them cooler?
[10:27:55] <ReadError> heatsink
[10:28:12] <ReadError> metal to pull and disipate heat
[10:28:23] <costas_> i have a setup with arduino which works and i want to pass into linux
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[10:28:34] <costas_> i am using it for a 3d printer
[10:30:55] <costas_> also the behaviour of the motor is quite radical. i have jumps between a step and as time progresses the holding torque is less and less
[10:31:45] <RobertBerger> I guess what costas finds a bit strange is, that the stepper is getting unusually hot just to keep it in position.
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[10:33:11] <costas_> and i can feel the motor like "pulsing"
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[10:35:44] <ReadError> maybe you should try #reprap?
[10:36:10] <costas_> ok. thanx.
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[11:02:22] <maximilian_h> is there a way to loadrt and2 and get more than 2 inputs, I'd need something like an and5
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[11:46:20] <Tom_itx> maximilian_h, look at logic9
[11:46:33] <Tom_itx> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/logic.9.html
[11:47:08] <maximilian_h> thanks
[11:47:14] <maximilian_h> that will work
[11:47:40] <maximilian_h> do you happen to know if I can set an interpreter variable like #1000 from hal ?
[11:47:59] <maximilian_h> what I want to do is to adjust a Z value through a gladevcp panel
[11:48:07] <Tom_itx> haven't tried that but i think it's possible
[11:48:07] <maximilian_h> so that I can Z90+#1000
[11:48:50] <Tom_itx> i'm off
[11:49:03] <bpuk> you could also chain 4 and2s - but that could get a bit fiddly, logic9 may be simpler
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[13:28:16] <mutley_> helloooo
[13:28:35] <mutley_> anyone here experience with an Isel-Techno machine
[13:30:11] <jdh> leave it in the house, buy a new one!
[13:30:13] <jdh> <urk>
[13:30:25] <mutley_> or to be more precise an Isel Techno Davinci
[13:30:33] <mutley_> jdh: lol
[13:31:44] <jdh> that looks pricey.
[13:34:38] <CaptHindsight> they are made well
[13:35:33] <CaptHindsight> I wish someone in China would copy their designs and get it right
[13:36:10] <mutley_> this is a serious machine, it was sitting in the corner of on Old Skool tool makers workshop covered in dust
[13:36:41] <mutley_> hes got serious heavy old skool lathes mills etc, you the type that weigh tons and need reinforced floors etc
[13:37:07] <CaptHindsight> even the new skool machines are heavy
[13:37:16] <mutley_> and this little fella in the corner doing nothing but getting covered in dust,
[13:37:36] <mutley_> ye well you know what i mean, the ones painted grey with knobs and belts all over over ;p
[13:38:04] <mutley_> any got this up and running over weekend software wise, searched for and found all the manuals etc,
[13:38:42] <mutley_> was wondering if id need to update the controller and motors etc, as it has turned out, as it is it runs absolutely perfect,
[13:38:56] <CaptHindsight> they use decent parts, Isel will guarantee 1-2 thousandths accuracy and repeatability
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[13:39:03] <mutley_> the chap has another two of them in the same corner, they are not in cabinets
[13:39:49] <mutley_> but no problem to build a cab for them, but i was curious as to how i would be able to get this up and running and was thinking id have to do a major controller and motor upgrade to it
[13:39:55] <CaptHindsight> does Isel have their own winders cnc software?
[13:40:13] <mutley_> but no, i even found a little old windows 3.1 application for running gcode
[13:40:31] <mutley_> so i can produce generic gcode in any CAM software
[13:41:06] <mutley_> and just run it through this very simple application, i can even "store" the program on the machine so all i have to do is press "play" repeatedly
[13:41:24] <mutley_> can even unplug, move it, replug in power and press play
[13:41:55] <mutley_> but i was wondering if anyone had had any experience with these, and if they had done any system upgrades to it
[13:42:13] <mutley_> just for future reference
[13:42:29] <mutley_> ive also checked the repeatability, its less than 10 micron
[13:42:34] <SpeedEvil> Nice!
[13:42:58] <mutley_> seriously id marry this thing if i could lol
[13:43:12] <mutley_> or should i say "mount" it
[13:43:17] <mutley_> ;p
[13:43:36] <SpeedEvil> All you need is the right tol
[13:43:38] <SpeedEvil> tool
[13:43:49] <SpeedEvil> morse-taper to vaculock
[13:43:58] <mutley_> ah yes tool changer
[13:44:42] <mutley_> that is one thing i would want to consider but any i have found seem to be sooo expensive, Gneral Auto Tool Changers i mean
[13:44:54] <mutley_> like £800 just for the spindle attachment
[13:45:26] <SpeedEvil> It doesn't really seem that hard to make a little thingy to grab a collet, and the shaft, apply torque, and grab the bit
[13:45:51] <mutley_> yea i was surprised at the cost
[13:46:01] <mutley_> so in the mean time ill just have to work with three spindles :)
[13:46:03] <mutley_> http://imgur.com/LiCwHkK
[13:46:22] <mutley_> that was it once i had heaved it through the front door into the halway
[13:46:43] <CaptHindsight> mutley_: does that version have servos?
[13:46:52] <mutley_> no its stepper
[13:46:57] <mutley_> full or half step only though
[13:47:08] <mutley_> 4mm pitch ball screw
[13:47:13] <mutley_> zero BL
[13:47:19] <CaptHindsight> 10um/step?
[13:47:36] <mutley_> errr i think so
[13:47:46] <mutley_> they say accuracy to 50 micron
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[13:47:55] <mutley_> but ive checked this and its less than 10
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[13:49:15] <mutley_> btw if anyone needs Kress Spindles....let me know
[13:49:50] <mutley_> 550watt FM6955's
[13:50:04] <mutley_> boxed new condition
[13:51:11] <mutley_> ok im going to crack on but just wanted to shout from the rooftops :) Very happy puppy
[13:51:34] * mutley_ needs sedation
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[14:53:57] <ssi> marn
[14:59:29] <jdh> hola
[14:59:48] <jdh> do you have your g0704 on casters/rollers/etc?
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[15:00:39] <ssi> no
[15:00:54] <jdh> do you know who here did?
[15:01:15] <ssi> no
[15:10:38] <archivist> naughty to have a lathe on wheels unless the frame is very stiff
[15:11:03] <jdh> Mill
[15:18:30] <archivist> same applies really, there are some simple tests you can do to show how flexible the frame is
[15:18:50] <Connor> I did.
[15:19:01] <Connor> I put my g0704 on casters.
[15:19:43] <jdh> Connor: just casters or one of those roll-around things/
[15:20:19] <jdh> I ordered one from grizzly last night. then I was wondering how I was going to get it on there.
[15:20:21] <Connor> D2260A - Mini Mobile Base
[15:20:23] <archivist> put dti on the table, lean against the head, move machine see how far the dti has moved
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[15:20:58] <Connor> archivist: The WHOLE base is on casters.. it's not going to make any different with a small benchtop mill like the g0704
[15:21:20] <archivist> even more on a small machine
[15:21:54] <archivist> until you perform the test it is easy to think a machine is solid
[15:22:19] <Connor> I don't see how that has anything to do with putting it on casters.
[15:22:25] <Loetmichel> hrhr...
[15:22:49] <jdh> Connor: I ordered a D2057A
[15:22:57] <archivist> the floor flatness(lack of) will twist the machine
[15:23:29] <Loetmichel> http://www.golem.de/news/neotokyo-alleine-lauffaehige-half-life-2-mod-auf-steam-1407-107703.html <- this machine stood opn a office table... 4 feet made of 30mm square steel tube (1mm wall)...
[15:23:38] <Loetmichel> it wiggled like hjelley ,-)
[15:23:48] <Loetmichel> when moving fast
[15:24:02] <agile_netvark> correct url?
[15:24:03] <Loetmichel> oh
[15:24:05] <Loetmichel> v
[15:24:06] <jdh> looks like the one I ordered might be way too big?
[15:24:07] <Loetmichel> wrong linkt
[15:24:09] <Connor> archivist It would have to translate all the way up through the steel cabinet to twist the base..
[15:24:16] <Loetmichel> http://www.golem.de/news/neotokyo-alleine-lauffaehige-half-life-2-mod-auf-steam-1407-107703.html
[15:24:19] <Loetmichel> grrr
[15:24:24] <Connor> jdh: Yea.. because.. i have mine pretty tight.
[15:24:35] <Connor> you might call'm and see if you can change the order
[15:24:36] <skunkworks> our machines are leveled to .0005/foot... :)
[15:24:43] <archivist> Connor, try it, I would like to know how far it moves
[15:24:57] <jdh> skkunkworks: you have real machines
[15:25:24] <ssi> I always say I'm going to level my machines
[15:25:28] <ssi> but it rarely happens
[15:25:30] <Connor> http://www.ivdc.com/cnc/mill_04_09_14_05.jpg
[15:25:42] <ssi> other than the plasma table because a little bit of out of level makes for a lot of water table slantyness :)
[15:25:45] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=4935 <- this machine
[15:25:55] <Loetmichel> vnc and clipboard pisses me off sometimes ;-)
[15:26:44] <Connor> It's not a issue on THIS machine.
[15:27:11] <Connor> I could see it on a large lathe..
[15:27:16] <Loetmichel> the machine had about 12kg xz-head to move
[15:27:33] <Loetmichel> sometimes it looked that x stood still and the table moved ;-)
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[15:28:12] <archivist> that base picture has no front cross members so easily transfers floor to mill base
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[15:30:57] <jdh> cancelled and re-ordered.
[15:31:18] <ssi> jdh: ?
[15:31:29] <jdh> I was trying to make space for my new router and the mill will be better if I can turn it diagonally at times.
[15:31:34] <ssi> jdh: you ever get the rest of your 6040?
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[15:32:08] <jdh> ssi: out for delivery now.
[15:32:32] <jdh> I spent last night cleaning up my g0704 enclosure and wall mounting that and the monitor.
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[15:40:33] <jdh> heh... monoprice is selling a dual-extruder 3d printer
[15:40:37] <ssi> yea I saw that
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[15:45:36] <jdh> anyone seen any cheap swingarm keyboard holder thingies?
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[15:45:48] <jdh> or some method of holding a kb out of the way
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[15:48:10] <archivist> search ebay for keyboard monitor arm
[15:48:25] <archivist> some are crap though
[15:48:27] <jdh> yeah, I've been doing that.
[15:49:24] <jdh> I have the monitor mounted already
[15:49:40] <SpeedEvil> Boring.
[15:50:00] <SpeedEvil> Keyboard/monitor arms should clearly be 4 axes minimum and controlled by linuxcnc
[15:50:04] <ssi> :D
[15:50:18] <ssi> and have computer vision which tracks the operator so as to always be in proper position
[15:51:07] <archivist> and not be bouncy when used
[15:52:19] <ssi> I need to draw up a fixture to hold a 55 gallon plastic drum on its side
[15:52:28] <ssi> cut a couple radiused plate blocks and weld up a frame
[15:52:46] * SpeedEvil needs to make something like that too
[15:52:50] <SpeedEvil> Compost incubator
[15:52:53] <agile_netvark> just use 2kw+ servo motors and proper ball screws to move the arms of your keyboard holder around
[15:52:57] <ssi> mine's for a water sump for the plasma table
[15:53:02] <agile_netvark> so you can, in case of emergency, scoop yourself up with it
[15:53:23] <agile_netvark> or hydraulics from an excavator
[15:53:29] <ssi> oooo, e-stop needs to fire some sort of ejection seat
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[15:55:18] <agile_netvark> or one of the stronger industrial robot arms. hang it from the ceiling, attach a harness to it from which you dangle and "fly" around in your workshop.
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[15:58:02] <ssi> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOCmoYU6h1Q
[15:59:13] <SpeedEvil> agile_netvark:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRKHCRR9-C4 - related
[16:02:24] <agile_netvark> hehe
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[16:05:32] <Loetmichel> My wife likes to joke... came just home, got to the fridge, put some ice into a glass for a cool soft drink, to to the wifes room, bend down to kiss her, slipped one of the ice blocks oth of the glass. Comment wife: "an husbend: as soon as he kisses his wife he looses his cool!" ;)
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[16:48:20] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[16:48:40] <IchGuckLive> K6MLE: ?
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[17:15:38] <Connor> I need to build a box for my touch screen monitor and get it mounted along with the MPG -E-Stop and other buttons I may want.
[17:16:20] <jdh> I need another eStop button now after moving my enclosure.
[17:17:24] <Jymmm> jdh: Make it a dead-man switch instead of a BRB
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[17:18:01] <Jymmm> foot operated
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[17:50:23] <IchGuckLive> hi tensateki
[17:50:37] <tensateki> howdy
[17:51:08] <IchGuckLive> if you got a question cnc related ask
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[17:52:07] <tensateki> not yet, I'm just stumbling through trying to get a run-in-place joint_axes3 setup going
[17:52:28] <IchGuckLive> why joints
[17:52:38] <IchGuckLive> is it a rovot like
[17:52:47] <IchGuckLive> robot
[17:53:15] <tensateki> actually its a CNC plasma that has a motor on each end of the gantry
[17:53:35] <IchGuckLive> strepper
[17:53:48] <IchGuckLive> stepper
[17:53:51] <tensateki> did it once a year and a half ago for a different CNC plasma and am now doing it for a different machine
[17:53:55] <tensateki> yeah, stepper
[17:54:11] <ssi> tensateki: I just finished doing that myself
[17:54:16] <IchGuckLive> and the pinout is a Mesa or parport or else
[17:54:26] <ssi> switching my plasma machine to ja4/gentrivkins for dual homing
[17:54:31] <IchGuckLive> tensateki: many of us got sutch mashines
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[17:55:48] <IchGuckLive> ssi: did you check my mailed kinetiks
[17:55:56] <tensateki> i'm just using ja3 beacuse I used it before and it worked on the other plasma. Is ja4 more current?
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[17:58:35] <ssi> no haven't messed with it
[17:58:45] <ssi> tensateki: i dunno what's different between ja3 and ja4
[18:00:19] <IchGuckLive> ja4 alowes jogging while ja3 not does combined axis single jog
[18:01:25] <IchGuckLive> m habler did this kins overwork
[18:02:29] <tensateki> I don't remember having problems jogging with ja3 on the other machine
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[18:04:04] <JesusAlos> hi
[18:04:11] <IchGuckLive> hi JesusAlos
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[18:04:28] <IchGuckLive> lots of heart americans in pamplona today
[18:04:45] <IchGuckLive> as i follow on TVE International SanFermin
[18:05:01] <JesusAlos> And German too
[18:05:14] <IchGuckLive> oh i mised that
[18:05:52] <IchGuckLive> JesusAlos: is there a side on the web where the accident count is
[18:06:33] <JesusAlos> You just gave me an idea
[18:06:44] <JesusAlos> today only one accident
[18:07:25] <JesusAlos> some bull horn nailed the leg of a guy
[18:07:42] <JesusAlos> american I think
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[18:10:45] <IchGuckLive> there are 16 accidents today according to the Lamana1
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[18:10:59] <IchGuckLive> almost broken egs and arms 4 in holspital
[18:11:16] <IchGuckLive> Kegs "
[18:11:20] <IchGuckLive> KL
[18:11:42] <IchGuckLive> i realy need to change this crap keyboard
[18:12:57] <JesusAlos> Some of my friend go to Pamplona but only for the party
[18:13:10] <IchGuckLive> party all day long
[18:13:23] <IchGuckLive> ok im off BYE
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[18:13:32] <JesusAlos> is incredible
[18:13:51] <JesusAlos> is really crazy
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[19:00:03] <JesusAlos> by
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[19:34:35] <Swapper_> Anyone know if i can get a mesa 7i77 to use only 2 wires to control a status light and pause function in a button ?
[19:37:33] <PCW> not sure I understand the question
[19:39:22] <PCW> Do you mean an illuminated push-button?
[19:45:34] <Jymmm> Swapper_: How would you expect ANY device (not just mesa) to be able to send a pause signal, and once paused, turn on a light with only two wires?
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[19:47:45] <Smidge204__> Chassis ground?
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[19:48:30] <Jymmm> Gawd, I hope not!
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[19:49:16] <SpeedEvil> Jymmm: many ways
[19:49:22] <Smidge204__> Only other option would be to use both wires for the light, and have some sort of sensing on that circuit to trigger the pause
[19:49:29] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: Name one
[19:49:35] <SpeedEvil> Jymmm: Dallas 1-wire bus
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[19:49:47] <SpeedEvil> (which misleadingly has two wires)
[19:49:50] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: AND illuminate a LED/light?
[19:49:56] <Smidge204__> Light bulbs don't have serial ports...
[19:50:13] <SpeedEvil> you'd need to add a capacitor and a FET and a diode, and use one of the GPIO parts
[19:50:32] <Smidge204__> And you can't use more wires because....?
[19:50:42] <SpeedEvil> That's probably the more sane question
[19:50:57] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: AND illuminate a LED/light???
[19:51:10] <Swapper_> i was thinking on the lines of 1 wire or there of, some smart way that i can sense that the line that is iluminating the light is takne low
[19:51:32] <SpeedEvil> Swapper_: to do it analogy - add a LED and a 1K resistor to the two wires in parallel with the switch.
[19:51:56] <Smidge204__> Sure, voltage sense on the lamp circuit.
[19:51:59] <SpeedEvil> Swapper_: Apply +5V and 0V to the wires to light the LED. Apply the voltage the other way to not light the LED.
[19:52:21] <SpeedEvil> Measure the voltage across a 100 ohm resistor to check if the switch is pressed
[19:52:23] <Jymmm> You really want to fuck with a PAUSE switch like that?
[19:52:39] <SpeedEvil> Does this make sense - that's another question
[19:52:56] <Smidge204__> Wait - what kind of input is the pause signal in this case?
[19:52:57] <Swapper_> nah will probably rewire, but cant hurt to ask
[19:53:08] <Swapper_> its on a 7i77
[19:53:08] <SpeedEvil> Using the chassis of the machine is probably most simple in many cases
[19:53:09] <Jymmm> Yes it can.
[19:53:24] <Smidge204__> I have no diea what a 7i77 is
[19:53:26] <SpeedEvil> To get one wire for the LED, oen wire for the switch
[19:53:28] <Smidge204__> idea*
[19:53:28] <Swapper_> mesa 7i77
[19:53:30] <Swapper_> sorry
[19:53:47] <SpeedEvil> Most people will not have seen most models of equipment
[19:53:49] <Smidge204__> Oay, so it's a 7i77 from Mexico?
[19:54:11] <Swapper_> it senses 24v in
[19:54:14] <Jymmm> Yeah, that's what you want... Use chassis ground for return path of the thing that controls thousands of watts of potential and all to a loose bezel ring or screw.
[19:54:18] <Swapper_> and outputs 24v
[19:55:12] <Smidge204__> Okay, 24v. What kind of current? Maybe you could just run something in parallel
[19:55:23] <Smidge204__> Like a light duty relay
[19:55:44] <Swapper_> how would you wire it if you had 4 wires total and needed 1 status light (Green) for showing that the machine is running, and 1 estop
[19:56:22] <Swapper_> the estop is not connected to the mesa at all only to a contactor
[19:56:28] <Jymmm> Swapper_: Are yu jsut trying to cheapen out instead of buying/running more cabling?
[19:56:32] <jdh> I coudl send you soem wire.
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[19:57:14] <Swapper_> its not the price of the wire, its the darn hassle of soldering the connector again :)
[19:57:22] <Swapper_> and its a 4 pole connector
[19:57:27] <Swapper_> guess i skip the light
[19:57:53] <jdh> PCW: working on that wireless daughterboard?
[19:58:13] <Jymmm> wireless?! HAHAHAHAHA, that's funny
[19:58:28] <jdh> c'mon, it's good enough for mach3 pendants
[19:58:56] <Jymmm> that's even funnier!
[19:59:20] <Swapper_> the usb pendant lags emensley on mach3...
[19:59:32] <Swapper_> same pendant in linuxcnc works like a charm
[19:59:43] <kfoltman> how about using MIDI controllers for pendants?
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[20:01:05] <Swapper_> anyone have the HB04 pendant and runing them in gmoccapy ?
[20:01:06] * kfoltman will just throw this in: http://i.imgur.com/j7OsfVh.png
[20:01:28] <Swapper_> having some problem with the step functions not linking right in gmoccapy
[20:02:14] <Swapper_> kfoltman: is that a pcb trace?
[20:02:19] <Swapper_> mill trac
[20:02:46] <kfoltman> Swapper_: yes, fooling around with Python and some image library
[20:03:14] <kfoltman> trying to implement some toolchain for isolation milling
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[20:03:48] <Loetmichel> kfoltman: why?
[20:04:04] <Loetmichel> use the existing ulp ofr eagle or Target
[20:04:14] <Loetmichel> both generater useable gcode
[20:04:15] <kfoltman> Loetmichel: I'm not using eagle
[20:04:24] <Loetmichel> so use target ;-)
[20:04:34] <kfoltman> target?
[20:04:38] <Loetmichel> that has an internal Gcode interface
[20:04:43] <Loetmichel> target 3001
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[20:04:52] <kfoltman> I've tried visolate and pcb2gcode, wasn't happy with either
[20:04:54] <Loetmichel> which program do you use?
[20:04:58] <kfoltman> kicad
[20:06:25] <kfoltman> yeah it is a bit of NIHism, but the problem seemed interesting ;)
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[20:07:18] <Loetmichel> hrhr
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[20:07:32] <Loetmichel> iirc target can read ascii netlists and gerber/ecellon
[20:08:07] <Loetmichel> so you could export gerber in kicad and than import in target and use targets iso-milling routines ;-)
[20:09:05] <kfoltman> yeah but then I'd have to pay for target, and have another non-OSS tool in the toolchain
[20:10:03] <kfoltman> it is an option, but not a preferred one
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[20:12:03] <Loetmichel> if you have less than 400 pins: there is a free version
[20:17:00] <kfoltman> my small matrix board has about 300, the large one is definitely more than 500
[20:17:34] <Loetmichel> oh, sorry
[20:17:45] <Loetmichel> the free version is 250 pin
[20:17:54] <Loetmichel> the "lite" is 400
[20:18:01] <Loetmichel> and the "economy 700
[20:18:06] <Loetmichel> and so on
[20:18:20] <Loetmichel> the "full" is 3000 eur iirc
[20:18:27] <kfoltman> 419 nets, more than 100 pads
[20:18:29] <kfoltman> errr
[20:18:32] <kfoltman> more than 1000 pads
[20:18:40] <Loetmichel> ouch
[20:18:48] <kfoltman> the matrix alone has 1064 pads, and then there are SOIC/SSOP breakouts
[20:18:48] <Loetmichel> that would be expensive then
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[20:19:05] <Loetmichel> so target isnt an option
[20:19:19] <kfoltman> and I'm thinking of some TQFP breakout/prototyping boards
[20:19:31] <Loetmichel> it worked good for me so far:
http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14507
[20:19:44] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14501&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[20:20:43] <kfoltman> looks nice for a homemade board
[20:21:40] <Loetmichel> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMXxjT4nNxg <- chinese CNC604 at work ;-)
[20:21:52] <Loetmichel> 6040
[20:22:06] <kfoltman> heh, I was talking to my wife about buying a readymade instead of putting lipstick on my pig
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[20:23:12] <kfoltman> vacuum bed?
[20:24:09] <Loetmichel> MDF and double sided tape
[20:24:48] <kfoltman> oh
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[20:25:13] <Loetmichel> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWTTP0RomA0 <- it has a vaccum table now ;-)
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[20:26:49] <kfoltman> what kind of double sided tape?
[20:27:28] <kfoltman> also, an engraving bit or an endmill? (sorry, probably asked that question before, crap memory :/)
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[20:42:09] <JT-Shop> /me found the plug for my alternator but not how to wire it up :(
[20:42:30] <Jymmm> spark plug?
[20:43:49] <Jymmm> oh, 'connector'
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[20:45:28] <JT-Shop> http://cdn2.bigcommerce.com/server500/55923/product_images/uploaded_images/rc150xd.jpg
[20:45:36] <JT-Shop> that's the connector
[20:45:45] <Jymmm> JT-Shop:
http://www.ba-bamail.com/Content.aspx?emailid=11044&memberid=847674#.U7sEAKi6XIo
[20:46:15] * JT-Shop hates popups
[20:46:31] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: plug it it, hold two wires, spin it, if you get shocked, you know which wire is which =)
[20:47:00] <JT-Shop> it's got 3 wires and it won't do anything unless the field is energized
[20:47:12] <Jymmm> One should be GND, which I would think is common to the housing.
[20:47:32] <cradek> a car alternator can't shock anybody
[20:47:35] <JT-Shop> why should one be ground?
[20:47:37] <Jymmm> oh, does this have an EXTRNAL VR ?
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[20:47:59] <JT-Shop> delco remy internal vr
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[20:48:19] <Jymmm> ohm it out
[20:48:32] <kfoltman> Loetmichel: I have some thin sheets of HIPS, any hints on mounting those? (no vacuum bed obviously)
[20:48:38] <Jymmm> the starter doens't have a "GND wire"
[20:48:42] <kfoltman> thin as in 1-2mm, very flexible
[20:49:01] <Jymmm> it uses the block for gnd, I'd suspect the alternator was the same is all
[20:49:23] <Deejay> gn8
[20:49:25] <JT-Shop> the alternator has a ground stud in the back of the case
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[20:49:59] <cradek> JT-Shop: you can probably find a wiring diagram for whatever car it goes in. even a chilton will have that basic stuff I bet.
[20:50:13] <cradek> (it will say the wire colors)
[20:50:35] <JT-Shop> lol it's a refit on my '65 John Deere 350 crawler
[20:50:37] <Loetmichel> kfoltman: what is HIPS?
[20:50:49] <cradek> doesn't matter - find one for the car it's for
[20:51:00] <JT-Shop> the original one was a remote voltage regulator which is still there but not connceted
[20:51:17] <JT-Shop> I don't know what car it is from
[20:51:32] <cradek> ouch :-)
[20:51:47] <JT-Shop> the only ones I can find are two wires from the voltage regulator
[20:51:48] <cradek> in 65 weren't they still generators with the 3 terminal regulator?
[20:52:04] <JT-Shop> could be
[20:52:08] <cradek> (3 relay mechanical regulator)
[20:52:10] <Jymmm> http://www.yesterdaystractors.com/gallery/12valt.jpg
[20:53:15] <Jymmm> http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a153/ASTRO95/Tractors/delco_wiring_botheditted-1.jpg
[20:54:29] <Jymmm> http://www.wallaceracing.com/alt-conversion.html
[20:55:14] <JT-Shop> the first link is a typical 2 wire vr on a delco
[20:55:55] <Jymmm> http://i468.photobucket.com/albums/rr47/chiefyota/v6alt.gif
[20:56:00] <JT-Shop> I should just give up and take the damn thing to the auto electric place and swap it for a normal one
[20:56:30] <cradek> seems like it would be very good to have a known alternator
[20:56:41] <JT-Shop> yea, I think so too
[20:56:50] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: You did the hard part already, just find the wiring and it be easy to replace the laternator in the future
[20:57:08] <archivist> what the competition was doing at the time
http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchv4page=2&searchstr=alternator
[21:00:36] <cradek> JT-Shop: is it already 12v or are you converting it?
[21:02:16] <JT-Shop> they came with 12v
[21:02:35] <JT-Shop> someone before me swapped out the gen or alt with this one
[21:03:34] <JT-Shop> I restored the dash board with new gauges and want to hook everything up correctly
[21:04:57] <cradek> oh it was working before you started? :-)
[21:05:05] * Jymmm snickers
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[21:06:02] <Jymmm> I'd hit a alternator repair shop, they would know almost by looking at it and could tell you the proper wiring
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[21:08:06] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, what about one of these:
https://www.google.com/search?q=delco+remy+3+wire+alternator+wiring+chart&client=firefox-a&hs=tqH&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=sb&tbm=isch&imgil=lIigjVzoGddwOM%253A%253Bhttps%253A%252F%252Fencrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com%252Fimages%253Fq%253Dtbn%253AANd9GcS0L7p-8Z3bk_vmVmYLyIlsr7r2eccnqjPbDqV_FTc5AkJfIrElTg%253B899%253B1541%253B6TYqj1bQvDAoWM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fmightymo.org%25252FProj_OneWire.html&s
[21:08:06] <Tom_itx> "SI SERIES" alternator 3 terminal
[21:08:10] <Jymmm> rebuild shop
[21:08:17] <Tom_itx> pfft
[21:08:19] <Tom_itx> that's no fun
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[21:10:02] <JT-Shop> all those are 2 wire plug + 1 wire for charge so they call them 3 wire alternators
[21:10:17] * JT-Shop goes to the auto shop to see what they say
[21:11:03] <Tom_itx> http://bob_skelly.home.comcast.net/~bob_skelly/alternator_conversion/wiring_alternator1.html
[21:11:17] <Tom_itx> 3-Wire Explained about 1/4 the way down
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[21:11:44] <Tom_itx> i'll PM the txt to save your bandwidth
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[21:14:20] <Tom_itx> pretty sure that one explains it
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[21:17:51] <Tom_L> http://www.delcoremy.com/documents/electrical-specifications---selection-guide.aspx
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[21:18:06] <kfoltman> Loetmichel: high impact polystyrene
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[21:21:05] <anarchos> wow
[21:21:14] <anarchos> should i buy a factory in detroit for shits and giggles?
[21:21:49] <Jymmm> anarchos: Sure, $1 for the factory, but how much for the back taxes and manditory cleanup?
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[21:21:58] <anarchos> heh
[21:22:07] <anarchos> there's stuff for sale at $0.65 a square foot
[21:22:21] <Jymmm> too expensive
[21:22:30] <Jymmm> You can buy for literally $1
[21:22:57] <SpeedEvil> anarchos: Does it come with free hoes?
[21:23:08] <SpeedEvil> Or other garden implements.
[21:23:11] <Jymmm> SpeedEvil: ...and thugs too
[21:23:20] <Jymmm> err slugs
[21:23:29] <anarchos> too bad i live on the other side of the continent, and in a different country
[21:23:33] <anarchos> :P
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[21:23:47] <Jymmm> anarchos: thats ok, they'll STILL sell to you
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[21:24:49] <anarchos> i just need to have a giant cnc gantry crane with a 6 axis robot arm so I can control the factory from home
[21:24:56] <anarchos> :P
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[21:34:09] <Jymmm> anarchos: Just have one orobot shipped to your factory, and it can install the rest for ya
[21:34:34] <Jymmm> as well as cleanup, security, etc
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[21:36:21] <anarchos> orobot?
[21:36:29] <Jymmm> robot
[21:36:45] <anarchos> ah :)
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[21:37:22] <Jymmm> See also: Iron Man | Laura Croft Tomb Raider
[21:38:33] <Jymmm> alex_joni: Hey, when you did the three motor thing with wires and a washer, was that hard to configure?
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[21:38:48] <alex_joni> Jymmm: that was 10yrs ago
[21:39:02] <Jymmm> alex_joni: So?
[21:39:10] <alex_joni> writing the kins was hard-ish
[21:39:14] <alex_joni> the rest is pretty easy
[21:39:29] <Jymmm> alex_joni: Oh, so it was a custom job, not just a config thing?
[21:39:38] <alex_joni> back then yes
[21:39:43] <Jymmm> and now?
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[21:40:04] <alex_joni> now it's a config thing
[21:40:35] <Jymmm> alex_joni: I was thinking arial camera =)
[21:40:53] <alex_joni> has been done a while ago
[21:41:02] <Jymmm> ah
[21:41:06] <alex_joni> but you need a couple more DOFs
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[21:41:12] <alex_joni> for turn/tilt
[21:41:25] <Jymmm> alex_joni: Yeah, nfc on that =)
[21:41:41] <Jymmm> google cam =)
[21:41:45] <alex_joni> an existing turn/tilt gimbal probably
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[21:42:00] <spooq> hi
[21:42:10] <Jymmm> alex_joni: google street cam upside down
[21:42:20] <alex_joni> you could suspend the car
[21:42:21] <spooq> I'm going to give LinuxCNC a go, after my Mach3 machine died
[21:42:34] <Jymmm> alex_joni: lol
[21:42:37] <spooq> I'm trying to figure out if there is a screen for probing?
[21:42:52] <spooq> I haven't hooked up to my machine yet, just playing with the new computer offline
[21:43:10] <spooq> when I am able to un-estop, I can hit the probe button I think?
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[21:43:39] <spooq> and then that runs a GUI to do the probing?
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[21:58:15] <alex_joni> spooq: there is a probing program
[21:58:22] <alex_joni> but it depends what you want to accomplish
[22:02:23] <spooq> well I see the probe programs
[22:02:26] <spooq> theres a few
[22:02:42] <spooq> I'm looking for a screen that gives simple probing with a click
[22:02:51] <spooq> x/y/z to start with
[22:03:02] <spooq> more advanced stuff like hole center finding would be good too
[22:03:09] <spooq> or corner finding
[22:04:04] <JT-Shop> mystery solved the third wire is a tach wire and the best part is...
[22:04:17] <JT-Shop> it had a 24v regulator in it!
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[22:05:58] <JT-Shop> the electric shop is converting it to conventional 2 wire 12v regulator
[22:06:40] <JT-Shop> now I can use the millions of wiring diagrams to hook up the sense and field wires
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[22:11:29] <spooq> it seems like LinuxCNC doesn't have as many pre-made screens as Mach3?
[22:11:59] <JT-Shop> I wouldn't have a clue
[22:12:06] <alex_joni> spooq: nope
[22:12:15] <alex_joni> just a couple of existing GUIs
[22:12:19] <spooq> ok
[22:12:28] <JT-Shop> hi alex_joni
[22:12:30] <alex_joni> and there are some user configurable ones aswell
[22:13:09] <spooq> yeah I see the files on how to setup Halui with a couple buttons
[22:13:11] <alex_joni> pyvcp and such
[22:13:16] <spooq> to do z touch
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[22:15:30] <spooq> I'll give it a go another day
[22:15:35] <spooq> cya guys
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[22:42:35] <maZer`-> hi all :)
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[23:04:16] <alex_joni> evening maZer`-
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