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[00:00:07] <Loetmichel> then you dont have to search fo rit again
[00:00:28] <maZer`-> ahm yes thats right
[00:01:15] <maZer`-> ok also this is ok :D
[00:01:16] <jthornton> say goodnight Gracie
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[00:03:23] <maZer`-> does somebody tried to use the at_pid module ? (auto pid) :D
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[00:10:33] <Loetmichel> jthornton: is it possible that gracie isnt the sharpest pencil in the box?
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[00:11:15] <Loetmichel> also: how OLD are you to know this TV show?
[00:12:16] <archivist> older than you :)
[00:12:27] <Loetmichel> it seems that way ;-)
[00:12:32] <CaptHindsight> it's an old classic
[00:13:05] <Loetmichel> (i had to google to see that show. i thought thas was a reference to the waltons at first)
[00:13:21] <CaptHindsight> they still play "I Love Lucy" on some networks here and that goes back to that era, the 50's
[00:13:53] <CaptHindsight> Burns and Allen
[00:16:06] <archivist> "I Love Lucy" I hated that
[00:17:40] <archivist> I was out fixing TVs in the 1970s so had to see some of the import stuff shown during the day
[00:18:16] <Loetmichel> hrhr
[00:18:43] <Loetmichel> in the mid-70ties i just started to solder my first circuits.
[00:18:45] <CaptHindsight> did they use 6GH8's there as well?
[00:18:47] <Loetmichel> at 6 years old ;-)
[00:20:17] <XXCoder1> my dad used to have tv repair business
[00:21:07] <CaptHindsight> archivist: you sent us Python, Masterpiece Theater and Fawlty Towers, we sent you Lucy and the Honeymooners :)
[00:22:09] <archivist> dont remember that device number
[00:22:36] <CaptHindsight> it was the most often bad tube in US sets, horizontal osc
[00:22:44] <archivist> I did watch Python
[00:23:35] <archivist> our worst device was PCL85 which was the frame output/osc valve
[00:24:02] <archivist> used to have that one in the toolbox to save a walk to the van
[00:24:29] <CaptHindsight> ok, our 6gh8
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[00:27:32] <CaptHindsight> do TV repair shops even exist anymore?
[00:27:45] <archivist> boss at the time accused me of stealing because he found a PCL85 in my toolbox, I soon went to a better job really wonderful to tell him to stuff his job
[00:27:56] <jdh> there is one down the road. I wonder how they stay in business
[00:29:30] <CaptHindsight> we did a little testing - it looks like with a read/modify/write of the gpios on the SB800 platform, we can get about 400KHz
[00:29:50] <CaptHindsight> if we do just write/write/write, we can get up to 1.2 MHz on the GPIOs
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[00:30:19] <CaptHindsight> thats on the GPIO pins on the AMD chipsets
[00:31:12] <CaptHindsight> I have only seen the embedded mini-itx boards put the GPIO's on headers
[00:32:21] <CaptHindsight> http://www.mini-itx.com/store/?c=69 and similar
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[00:42:31] <maZer`-> http://www.ebay.de/itm/4-Achse-Fernsteuerung-elektronisches-USB-Handrad-Mach3-CNC-frase-frasmaschine-/141301278829?pt=Motoren_Getriebe&hash=item20e636686d
[00:42:40] <maZer`-> does somebody know a way to use this remote on emc2?
[00:48:10] <archivist> maZer`-, there is this if you want to do it yourself
http://hidcomp.sourceforge.net/
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[00:50:32] <maZer`-> archivist thanks :d
[00:51:58] <maZer`-> big big thanks!!! :D
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[01:17:56] <zeeshan> connor youre right
[01:18:00] <zeeshan> my starrett edge finder broke
[01:18:01] <zeeshan> lol
[01:18:10] <zeeshan> 'accident'
[01:18:51] <XXCoder1> "accient" like concerete overcoat is a "coat" ;)
[01:22:24] <zeeshan> im kinda bummed out
[01:22:29] <zeeshan> one of the 2 indicators that is damaged
[01:22:35] <zeeshan> is a 3" range indicator =/
[01:22:39] <zeeshan> coulda been useful
[01:22:41] <zeeshan> been trying to fix it
[01:23:51] <jdh> got an angle grinder?
[01:24:09] <Tom_itx> got a bigger hammer?
[01:24:16] <zeeshan> no
[01:24:23] <zeeshan> its a fitting that goes on the stop side
[01:24:31] <zeeshan> with a weird thread
[01:24:34] <XXCoder1> Pee on it.
[01:24:50] <Tom_itx> you don't have a thread cleaner file?
[01:24:59] <zeeshan> =/
[01:25:10] <XXCoder1> how is it weird?
[01:25:16] <Tom_itx> i've done that with all sorts of crazy tools
[01:25:19] <XXCoder1> reverse thread? both ways?
[01:25:21] <zeeshan> its just a very tiny thread
[01:25:26] <Tom_itx> i know
[01:25:26] <zeeshan> and the piece if broken
[01:25:37] <zeeshan> the thread was snapped inside the plunger
[01:25:41] <zeeshan> i managed to get it out
[01:25:51] <zeeshan> i should just take apic
[01:25:54] <zeeshan> its hard to explain ;p
[01:26:00] <Tom_itx> is it the cover for the plunger?
[01:26:04] <zeeshan> no
[01:26:13] <zeeshan> with the long range indicators
[01:26:16] <zeeshan> the spring is within that cover
[01:26:22] <zeeshan> and there is an extra fitting that goes in there
[01:26:35] <zeeshan> for 1" or smaller indicators, the spring is within the main casing
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[01:32:43] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/yUl46FC.jpg
[01:32:49] <zeeshan> so the part attached to indicator is messed up
[01:33:00] <zeeshan> where the back side of the plunger comes out of
[01:33:09] <zeeshan> then that round cylinder fitting is broken
[01:33:14] <zeeshan> the thread is shread off which you can see near it
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[01:37:25] <Tom_itx> is that just for the spring to attach?
[01:37:34] <zeeshan> hm
[01:37:40] <zeeshan> those parts are 20$ total
[01:37:43] <zeeshan> including the spring
[01:37:46] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: yes
[01:37:56] <zeeshan> http://www.mitutoyo.co.jp/support/service/parts_list/pdf/4-06-1990-JUN.pdf#toolbar=0
[01:37:59] <Tom_itx> well for $20 i know what i'd do
[01:38:03] <zeeshan> its #2 #13 and #5
[01:38:08] <zeeshan> that i prolly need
[01:38:58] <Tom_itx> is #1 ok?
[01:39:35] <zeeshan> yes
[01:39:37] <zeeshan> thats the cover
[01:39:59] <Tom_itx> i know i just figured you bent it too
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[01:56:46] <andypugh> Another use for LinuxCNC:
http://bodgesoc.blogspot.co.uk/2014/06/neracar4.html
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[02:05:15] <skunkworks_> andypugh: quite awesome.. the winding speed was a bit faster than I would have expected.. :)
[02:05:51] <skunkworks_> (and spindle speed override is very nice - you should keep it..)
[02:06:03] <andypugh> I am not known for my patience :-)
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[02:12:08] <andypugh> Night all
[02:12:13] <XXCoder1> night
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[03:18:44] <XXCoder1> interesting.
http://www.instructables.com/id/Building-your-own-CNC-milling-machine/?ALLSTEPS
[03:19:48] <XXCoder1> it requires a cnc of course
[03:20:16] <XXCoder1> any cheap cnc that needs cnc to be made should include required equipment pricing too :P
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[04:42:17] <zeeshan> success
[04:42:21] <zeeshan> both indicators are fixed
[04:42:28] <XXCoder1> so whats you do
[04:42:28] <zeeshan> tested them vs some good ones
[04:42:36] <zeeshan> well the small indicator
[04:42:47] <zeeshan> lost its tension one of the springs
[04:42:54] <zeeshan> so i retensioned it, blowed it was air
[04:43:01] <zeeshan> lubricated the rack and pinion
[04:43:03] <zeeshan> and its working good now
[04:43:12] <zeeshan> the long range indicator, i had to make a fitting for on the lathe
[04:43:27] <zeeshan> theyre actually not too bad to work on
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[04:46:45] <XXCoder1> nie
[04:46:52] <XXCoder1> I gonna get a dial evenually
[04:48:05] <XXCoder1> night
[04:48:11] <zeeshan> gnite
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[09:26:44] <Deejay> moin
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[09:50:18] <Loetmichel> hmm... wasnt there a project to port linuxCNC to a 14.04 xubuntu install disk?
[09:51:28] <SpeedEvil> What do you mean 'port' ?
[09:52:21] <Loetmichel> to make an installdisk with up to date linuxCNC and a xubuntu 14.04 instad of ubuntu 10.04
[09:52:44] <Loetmichel> i thought i have seen someting but cant find it with google
[09:53:53] <SpeedEvil> ah
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[10:43:14] <jthornton> I saw that too somewhere
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[10:53:31] <jthornton> oh yea on the forum is where I saw that
[10:56:46] <jthornton> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxCNC_On_Ubuntu_Precise
[10:57:16] <jthornton> Loetmichel, I found 12.04 but not 14.04
[10:57:52] <Loetmichel> ... which is nearly outdated as well
[10:57:54] <Loetmichel> but thanks
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[11:44:49] * Tom_itx thinks jthornton could get the blob of clouds passing over now
[11:45:59] <jthornton> we were supposed to get wet last night but the deck is dry
[11:46:24] <jthornton> I don't see anything on radar
[11:46:29] <Tom_itx> same here but that patch went north of us
[11:46:36] <Tom_itx> widen your radar :)
[11:46:51] <Tom_itx> it may fall apart by then
[11:47:02] <jthornton> yikes for Kansas
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[12:27:20] <lair82> I let my new ASrock board run all night with 2 Glxgears running and when I came in this morning the numbers were 13758 MAx jitter 1.0ms thread, 7966 Max jitter 25.0ms thread
[12:27:32] <skunkworks> yay!
[12:27:51] <archivist> I want one of those
[12:28:35] <jthornton> nice
[12:29:01] <lair82> When got on firefox and started doing some browsing it went up to roughly 22000 on the 1.0ms thread and 15000 on the 25.0ms thread
[12:29:15] <lair82> Is that still OK?
[12:29:50] <lair82> We don't use steppers only servos, so does it really even matter?
[12:30:02] <archivist> ok for average stepper systems well ok for servo
[12:30:11] <Tom_itx> matters even less if you use mesa boards
[12:30:23] <lair82> Yep all Mesa driven systems
[12:30:54] <lair82> I will add this data to the wiki list
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[13:04:41] <CaptHindsight> lair82: in BIOS did you turn off spread spectrum, turbo core, APM, C6, cool'n'quiet, SVM, cpu throttle, suspend to RAM?
[13:05:13] <lair82> That I did yes, I will mention that in the wiki
[13:06:54] <lair82> How in the bios do I get it to notice at least the 3.2 gigs of ram. It was only saying 1.9.
[13:07:49] <lair82> After doing some reading and talking to you guys I realize that it will regardless of how much you plug in it only notices 3.2
[13:08:34] <CaptHindsight> 32b kernel
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[13:09:09] <CaptHindsight> try reducing the amount of memory allocated to the GPU
[13:10:40] <CaptHindsight> the way we do it is by using PAE but that's a custom kernel
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[13:13:43] <CaptHindsight> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EnablingPAE
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[13:16:49] <CaptHindsight> I don't recall if the old 2.6 RTAI kernel in 10.04 supports PAE
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[13:17:25] <lair82> Thinking about it, I guess its not a big deal, all the systems that are running on the shop floor only say 1.9gb as well
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[13:19:03] <CaptHindsight> unless you start browsing while running linuxcnc you probably won't use more that 300-400MB anyway
[13:19:17] <CaptHindsight> that/than
[13:19:31] <cradek> I think the lucid rtai kernel is not PAE because PAE broke RTAI at that time
[13:19:57] <cradek> but yeah, you absolutely don't need many gigabytes for linuxcnc
[13:21:03] <CaptHindsight> we only use PAE when we are doing lots of image processing while controlling the machine
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[13:26:52] <CaptHindsight> only using 301MB of 1GB on 12.04 with 3.4.55 RTAI while running Linuxcnc
[13:27:42] <CaptHindsight> running Firefox makes it jump to ~400MB
[13:31:29] <CaptHindsight> Linuxcnc itself only uses 244KB and Linuxcncsvr 232KB
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[13:32:09] <lansing> hay every one
[13:32:34] <CaptHindsight> Axis is the memory hog with 119MB
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[13:38:03] <skunkworks_> I have been moving away from firefox... it seems to be getting slower and slower... (using chrome at the moment)
[13:38:16] <mozmck> NSA chrome?
[13:38:30] <skunkworks_> sure!
[13:38:34] <mozmck> :)
[13:38:43] <mozmck> I'm a google non-fan.
[13:38:47] <skunkworks_> heh
[13:39:08] <mozmck> they are trying to become the new microsoft, except far more invasive.
[13:39:59] <cradek> to me, iceweasel seems as good as web browsers have ever been
[13:40:23] <mozmck> Isn't that a version of firefox?
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[13:40:33] <cradek> yes, with some bs removed
[13:40:41] <CaptHindsight> yeah, it's getting tougher to keep the trackers away
[13:41:01] <mozmck> I tried chrome once a year or two ago and it was much slower than firefox at the time, and crashed often.
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[13:42:24] <CaptHindsight> it got creepy when I went from my phone to my desktop and Chrome in my desktop had my phones search history
[13:42:40] <CaptHindsight> I stopped logging into Google after that
[13:43:38] <mozmck> heh. I got a $40 android tablet to play with and it wanted a google account to open calendar or do or install anything.
[13:43:56] <skunkworks_> heh - I actually found that handy when using google maps for a gps.. My locations showed up on my phone that I searched for on my desktop.
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[13:44:19] <mozmck> I found fdroid and have a few apps from there, but so far I find tablets not very useful...
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[13:45:13] <mozmck> just don't ever do anything that might become illegal in the future. law enforcement *love* the smart phones :)
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[13:47:29] <CaptHindsight> I have just about everything turned off and only turn on services as I need them or the battery life goes down to few hours vs 2-3 days
[13:48:09] <mozmck> :) I solve that particular one by not having a smart phone.
[13:49:14] <CaptHindsight> they still track IMEI and SIM#
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[13:50:55] <mozmck> true, but I don't go much anywhere. my phone is a cheap (free I think) NET10, and we don't use the 300 minutes we buy every 2 months usually :)
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[13:53:32] <skunkworks_> I am using tracfone... (A few months ago they started offering 2 android phones.. - zte and samsung) I have the zte.
[13:53:51] <skunkworks_> I like it.
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[13:55:12] <CaptHindsight> I got my phones in China until Microcenter stated carrying the unlocked imports
[13:55:20] <skunkworks_> (it isn't locked down or anything...)
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[13:56:41] <CaptHindsight> Lenovo and Blu for $100-$150 that have everything the $500+ phones have
[13:57:41] <CaptHindsight> anyone remember when there were review magazines that would test and post all the specs of radios, CB's, stereos?
[13:58:46] <CaptHindsight> I can't even imagine a site with cellphone specs with receiver sensitivity, rejection etc specs
[13:58:55] <skunkworks_> heh
[13:59:24] <mozmck> no one would know what it means
[13:59:43] <skunkworks_> that is one bad thing about the zte.. it's wifi reception is pretty bad.. you have to be within about 30ft of the router.. (wonder if that was on purpose..) :)
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[14:07:07] <CaptHindsight> even the Google nexus is a piece of krap, updates break the phone (replaced 2x under warr) you have to restart/reboot it daily or it has trouble connecting to data networks over GSM or wifi
[14:08:42] <skunkworks> the zte has been pretty stable.. (don't have much on it) but it has locked up on me maybe 3 times... (pull the battery lock up)
[14:08:48] <CaptHindsight> and unless you run some of the tools to lock applications they are constantly running and connecting to the network
[14:09:26] <skunkworks> it is a bit under powered - but works well for me..
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[14:12:16] <CaptHindsight> why is my calculator app asking for my location?
[14:17:18] <pcw_home> only a criminal would worry about that
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[14:25:38] <mozmck> pcw_home: I don't know who Christopher Hallaxs is/was, but I found this attributed to him, "A state without criminals has no one to exercise control over, but legislation can always create as many criminals as you want."
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[14:27:32] <CaptHindsight> anyone use UNetbootin for creating live flash distros? Using it for Linuxcnc
[14:28:13] <pcw_home> I have used it for installs
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[14:33:26] <CaptHindsight> 10.04 uses ~260MB of memory with the 2.6 RTAI
[14:34:04] <CaptHindsight> Axis again is the hog using 29MB
[14:34:45] <CaptHindsight> so 12.04 uses up more memory
[14:35:20] <CaptHindsight> gnome2 vs 3
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[14:40:36] <CaptHindsight> to run Linuxcnc from a flash drive it seems like I have to enable some extra memory space on the drive that is persistent across boots
[14:41:13] <CaptHindsight> if i don't i get errors that I'm out of memory
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[14:41:41] <CaptHindsight> I though the LiveCD creates a RAM drive with some extra space
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[15:06:16] <mozmck> CaptHindsight: regarding the AMD cpus and GPIO, how does this board look?
http://www.gizmosphere.org/
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[15:13:04] <CaptHindsight> mozmck: that was the test board with those scores :)
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[15:14:17] <CaptHindsight> I'm going to make an open hardware AMD board for a laptop after these a consensus on which laptop to use for everything else
[15:15:39] <CaptHindsight> I can bring all the leftover GPIO out to a header, 24 are accessible from user space
[15:19:28] <CaptHindsight> http://www.logicsupply.com/components/motherboards/amd/nf81-t56n-lf/ boards like these only bring out 8 GPIO to a header
[15:20:09] <CaptHindsight> I have to check and see how many would be possible without effecting shared connections to SATA and PCIe
[15:20:48] <mozmck> I saw that, and that's not enough for much.
[15:21:15] <CaptHindsight> 16-24 would be good
[15:21:50] <CaptHindsight> plus I'm getting $10 EPP PCIe cards from China now
[15:22:21] <mozmck> Yes, that makes a $200 board less interesting.
[15:23:06] <CaptHindsight> it was just to see what they could do, and they end up being fast enough
[15:23:28] <CaptHindsight> not many boards even bring the signals out to headers
[15:24:28] <mozmck> 4 axes stepper would need 8 pins for step/dir, 1 for e-stop, 1 for a charge-pump (maybe), 4 for home switch inputs, 1 or 2 outputs. I think 16 would be a minimum.
[15:25:38] <SpeedEvil> No reason for charge pump
[15:25:45] <SpeedEvil> Rather than power
[15:26:35] * skunkworks_ likes chargepumps...
[15:27:22] <mozmck> what do you mean "rather than power"?
[15:28:07] <mozmck> It's a safety signal - if it is not present all outputs are disabled.
[15:28:29] <SpeedEvil> Oh.
[15:28:34] <SpeedEvil> Misunderstpod
[15:28:47] <mozmck> Definitely good to have in a parport setup.
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[15:33:30] <CaptHindsight> charge pump power supply vs charge pump signal, easily confused
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[16:13:13] <JT-Shop> its strange to hear the VMC spindle run at 6k and not trip out the drive
[16:13:58] <pcw_home> what did you fix?
[16:17:18] <skunkworks> was it a bigger rpc?
[16:19:29] <CaptHindsight> http://www.linuxcnc.org/media/kunena/attachments/16436/irqstuff.zip anyone try this yet? Reducing latency on multicore pc's - Success!
[16:19:37] <CaptHindsight> http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/german/forum/18-computer/25927-reducing-latency-on-multicore-pcs-success?limitstart=0
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[16:20:48] <CaptHindsight> knocked his ~10uS jitters down to <4uS on AMD
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[16:38:34] <SpeedEvil> Is it reducing the CPU cores available to linux, and pinning linuxcnc on that one core along with the IO drivers?
[16:39:19] <SpeedEvil> Is there a quick overview of what linuxcnc does that requires low latency?
[16:39:38] <SpeedEvil> I.E. what does it do with low latency that would not more sensibly be offloaded to a motion processor
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[16:43:18] <CaptHindsight> you can force Linuxcnc to only run on one core but that trick above just places an affinity of the irq's to also be on the same one core
[16:43:30] <jdh> what kind of motion processor?
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[16:44:13] <CaptHindsight> a FPGA located in the cpu core of course! :)
[16:44:57] <Loetmichel> SpeedEvil: iirc there are many usb and network solutions on the market that can be used with linuxCNC, anbd pci cards also
[16:45:18] <Loetmichel> but the point in linuxCNC is that it IS the motion processor. not only the gcode interpreter
[16:45:32] <SpeedEvil> jdh: Various options - a FPGA would not be insane, for example.
[16:45:54] <Loetmichel> SpeedEvil: ask pcw_home about it ;-)
[16:46:14] <CaptHindsight> SpeedEvil: but then you need to get data moved between the cpu and the FPGA
[16:46:41] <CaptHindsight> there are already are FPGA stand alone motion controllers, check the mesa site
[16:47:28] <SpeedEvil> My question is basically how much does the high level matter. Clearly linuxcnc knows the 'whole thing' - but how much improvement is there beyond say being able to give accelleration/decelleration/profile, rather than commanding each step.
[16:47:46] <CaptHindsight> softdmc or something similar
[16:50:02] <SpeedEvil> hmm
[16:50:54] <CaptHindsight> if you look at what all the big cnc vendors did the past 10-20 years is move from microcontrollers to a PC
[16:51:56] <CaptHindsight> simple machine with no or simple GUI use a micro (blender)
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[16:55:01] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[16:55:27] <jdh> are you looking for a mach3 like thing?
[16:55:28] <SpeedEvil> i
[16:55:36] <CaptHindsight> I'm able to use a $200 PC to control 7 axis of servos, a laser, digital microscopes and have a HD GUI
[16:56:10] <CaptHindsight> I wish there was a lower cost microcontroller that was as flexible to modify for my applications
[16:56:18] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Doens't count if you bought it hot off the truck in a dark alley =)
[16:56:23] <IchGuckLive> CaptHindsight: i got pc for less then 50USD and with jitter at 20k it works fine for a 8hr shift
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[16:56:35] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: the lights were on :)
[16:56:41] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: LMAO
[16:57:02] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: what laser?
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[16:58:37] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: various, we have some fancy femtosecond stuff for sub-micron work, but even a 405nm BlueRay for big 10um lines
[16:59:22] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: what 450nm did you get?
[16:59:48] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: anf how many watts? 25mW ?
[17:00:13] <CaptHindsight> up to 2W
[17:00:16] <IchGuckLive> 405 is about 350mW
[17:00:30] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: model/pn/link?
[17:00:49] <CaptHindsight> China shops
[17:01:09] <CaptHindsight> let me see if I can find a link to something similar
[17:01:12] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Ok, link? Thee are way too many china shops =)
[17:01:14] <jthornton> who wants to help a guy build a 12' x 24' gantry machine powered by Nema 34 steppers?
[17:01:15] <jthornton> http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/30-cnc-machines/27921-homemade-cnc-router-for-oxy-and-plasma
[17:01:16] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: ok
[17:01:52] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: what power do you want?
[17:02:39] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: 1.2PW =) 250-500mW should do, looking for the sub $40 range
[17:02:40] <Tom_itx> jthornton, you don't wanna visit Portugal?
[17:03:04] <jthornton> been there
[17:03:10] <IchGuckLive> jthornton: loks like jesus alos one
[17:03:17] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: wasnt that 1.21 GW?
[17:04:01] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: No, PETA Watts... 1,200,000,000,000,000 Watts
[17:04:20] <Jymmm> I think I missed some zeros there
[17:04:24] <IchGuckLive> jthornton: why is hen not here in the irc
[17:04:40] <CaptHindsight> http://www.amazon.com/700mW-405nm-S06J-Blu-Ray-Diode/dp/B00B6E4QQ8 700mW $54
[17:05:36] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: What drives such a thing?
[17:07:23] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Hmmm
http://www.amazon.com/445nm-Diode-Copper-Module-Leads/dp/B00HFHMIFG/ref=pd_sim_sbs_indust_4?ie=UTF8&refRID=18K4F4E33QZVF1KC4PC6
[17:07:35] <CaptHindsight> simple mosfet ON/OFF from constant current source
[17:07:52] <CaptHindsight> thats 445nm Blue
[17:07:53] <jthornton> IchGuckLive, dunno
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[17:08:55] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: waelength too high for cutting?
[17:09:03] <CaptHindsight> http://www.dhgate.com/product/burn-matches-strong-power-405nm-blue-violet/166422820.html#s1-3-7|3657948519
[17:09:36] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: depends on what you want to do, we use 405nm for triggering polymerization/curing
[17:10:03] <CaptHindsight> but enough power at 405nm can cut if the material absorbs it
[17:10:03] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: make/engrave wood/plastics
[17:10:13] <Jymmm> mark/engrave*
[17:10:30] <Jymmm> (not cut)
[17:11:09] <Jymmm> Ok, do derate DHGate by 50% still gives 500mW, so not too bad.
[17:12:05] <IchGuckLive> jthornton: i give him a replay
[17:12:21] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: review "NOTHING IS BURNING NO LIE" lol
[17:12:36] <Jymmm> re; "NO QUEMA NADA ES MENTIRA"
[17:12:58] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/LAB-use-9-0mm-1W-808nm-810nm-IR-Infrared-Laser-Diode-LD-TO5-with-PD-/191004695380
[17:13:12] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/INDUSTRIAL-TO3-Package-1000mW-1W-808nm-810nm-Infrared-IR-Laser-Lazer-Diode-LD-/120921972102
[17:14:01] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Less than 1W should be okey too. I'd much rather have the lipstick case with power leads than just a laser diode
[17:14:26] <CaptHindsight> use the google-fu
[17:15:06] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Yeah, just wasn't sure which wavelength would be best for marking
[17:15:33] <CaptHindsight> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdwTRCdUttQ Mirror etching with 1W 808nm Laser diode
[17:15:46] <IchGuckLive> Loetmichel: suncream rewady for the heatwave
[17:16:13] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: it depends on the absorbtion of the substrate
[17:16:29] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: wood primarily
[17:16:36] <IchGuckLive> Jymmm: for wood marking only a DVD is needed at 5USD
[17:17:09] <IchGuckLive> Jymmm: syy mine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1L1VR8U74us
[17:17:12] <Jymmm> IchGuckLive: I want something a little better than 2 hours for 2"x2" =)
[17:17:47] <IchGuckLive> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkBes1XgfnI
[17:17:51] <IchGuckLive> i know
[17:18:01] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: also comes down to price, a cheap 445nm laser can engrave wood nicely
[17:18:11] <IchGuckLive> speed is always the factor
[17:19:07] <CaptHindsight> I don't work with wood, lets see what the numbers and people say
[17:19:19] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: I need to engrave 2x2" wood within (lets say) 10 minutes or less.
[17:20:08] <Jymmm> Of course artwork as optimized as possible.
[17:20:21] <CaptHindsight> http://www.telesis.com/pdf/Laser_Selection_Guide.pdf
[17:20:32] <IchGuckLive> Jymmm: a negativ picture or positiv path
[17:20:54] <Jymmm> IchGuckLive: pos
[17:21:09] <IchGuckLive> at linewide 0.1mm yu can get max 300mm/min
[17:21:17] <Jymmm> IchGuckLive: Well, could be both, but I am flexible
[17:21:46] <IchGuckLive> at 20USD overall cost
[17:21:47] <CaptHindsight> http://www.dixoneng.com/Videos/Laser%20Technology%20Comparison_111406_Rev8.pdf
[17:21:56] <CaptHindsight> good cost comparison ^^
[17:22:24] <CaptHindsight> looks like longer wavelengths for wood
[17:22:24] <IchGuckLive> if you realy want good result you need a CO2 20W tube
[17:22:44] <IchGuckLive> this gives you about 2000mm/min
[17:23:07] <Jymmm> IchGuckLive: I have a 30W CO2, RF Excited, air cooled =)
[17:23:22] <IchGuckLive> and the best effect is no wood material refine
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[17:23:35] <IchGuckLive> Jymmm: is it broken
[17:24:20] <Jymmm> IchGuckLive: Not as soon as I make a phone call today and spend $1200 to replace the cartridge =)
[17:24:56] <Jymmm> IchGuckLive: The laser diode is for another application, I just have no clue on the diode laser is all
[17:25:05] <IchGuckLive> i did a 4 laser connection to 1 point and that give me enoph power for realy with wood
[17:25:10] <IchGuckLive> white
[17:25:32] <IchGuckLive> the 3D printer did the job of connecting the laser modules
[17:26:52] <Jymmm> I'm aware of what a 30W CO2 is capable of, just not these diode lasers, and which wavelength is best for marking wood.
[17:27:34] <IchGuckLive> co2 is the best on mark and cut
[17:27:36] <pcw_home> I have a 120W FC diode laser I wonder if that can be focused
[17:27:44] <IchGuckLive> the others are only play
[17:27:58] <Jymmm> pcw_home: fiber?
[17:28:14] <pcw_home> Fiber Coupled
[17:28:15] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: this is good exercise, find the lowest cost solution, based on wavelength, power and lens
[17:28:46] <CaptHindsight> even a UV laser can mark wood but the cost of optics will be really high even though the diode is cheap
[17:28:54] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: I'm trying to avoid buying 15 different diode lasers, if at all possible.
[17:29:00] <pcw_home> its actually 8x 15W lasers with all the fibers bunded
[17:29:08] <Jymmm> pcw_home: ah
[17:29:27] <CaptHindsight> if you can focus them all cheaply
[17:29:47] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Googling brings up a lot of the kiddie hype sadly, thus why I was asking.
[17:30:11] <pcw_home> Got it from UCB's surplus years ago and have been afraid to turn it on
[17:30:39] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: If I can get $30 lipstick laser, I'm good. Easy to replace when fails.
[17:30:44] <IchGuckLive> you can sell it for 10times the price now
[17:31:16] <IchGuckLive> lipstick laser may be a fake LED
[17:32:46] <CaptHindsight> have to go But I'll search later
[17:33:12] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: thanks
[17:33:43] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: what is the line width required?
[17:34:15] <CaptHindsight> what res do you need for wood?
[17:34:56] <Jymmm> 0.015" I would guess
[17:35:25] <Jymmm> I think anything beyond 200DPI would be too slow
[17:36:44] <Jymmm> 200DPI = 0.005" so maybe I'm way off key here
[17:37:15] <IchGuckLive> depends on focus speed
[17:37:50] <IchGuckLive> constent speed negativ image gives me 0.1mm
[17:38:24] <Jymmm> 0.1mm == 0.004"
[17:38:56] <Jymmm> so about the same
[17:39:09] <IchGuckLive> yes 254dpi
[17:40:16] <CaptHindsight> wow we just got the E350M1 latency jitter down to <2K
[17:40:38] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: superglued the connector in place?
[17:40:38] <IchGuckLive> the new 3.6 RT
[17:41:12] <CaptHindsight> using 3.4.55 RTAI and isolating the irq's to the first code only
[17:41:38] <CaptHindsight> servo thread is at 4800
[17:41:41] <IchGuckLive> ;-)
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[17:42:05] <CaptHindsight> have to go back and retry the other AMD boards now
[17:42:34] <Jymmm> Ok, the lens on my 30W laser is 0.005" spot size.
[17:42:53] <IchGuckLive> CaptHindsight: did you look into the wiki hardware list to get a good finding
[17:43:48] <IchGuckLive> Jymmm: that woudt give me a nice overhang
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[17:43:59] <IchGuckLive> overlap
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[17:44:16] <Jymmm> of?
[17:44:18] <IchGuckLive> as i step 0.1 or 0.004"
[17:44:27] <Jymmm> ah
[17:45:07] <IchGuckLive> on myne this woudt make a black lined image on yours it may be white lined
[17:45:12] <Jymmm> Well, I'll have to wait and see till I get the new laser cartidge and test this wood at various ppi/dpi/pwr/spd
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[17:45:23] <CaptHindsight> lair82: we should be able to knock your scores down by 1/2 - 1/4th now on that new asrock
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[17:45:48] <IchGuckLive> CaptHindsight: N68
[17:46:02] <IchGuckLive> am2
[17:46:52] <IchGuckLive> Mainbord asrock n68pv-gs shot at ebay today for 5,5Euro
[17:47:32] <IchGuckLive> i got some AMD athlon 64 x2 dual 5000+ here for free
[17:47:49] <IchGuckLive> i think at least 12 in the tray
[17:48:07] <CaptHindsight> I can't sell customers used hardware as new, for some reason the courts frown on that :)
[17:48:43] <IchGuckLive> 2 years warrenty at resell on the fujitsu second hand
[17:49:10] <IchGuckLive> thats what i use for the Universety and the people asking me
[17:49:36] <IchGuckLive> ok im not you and i do no servos
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[17:50:32] <IchGuckLive> infact even the large plasmas are in complete electronic price less then 1 800W servo unit
[17:51:13] <CaptHindsight> 1849 max on the 25uS thread
[17:51:39] <IchGuckLive> did you plug and unplag a USB item to see if it is stable
[17:51:47] <CaptHindsight> 4911 on the 1mS servo thread
[17:52:06] <IchGuckLive> how many GLXgears are on at what framerate
[17:52:14] <CaptHindsight> yes, even plays flash video in browsers without jumping
[17:52:17] <pcw_home> also the latency test is a bit optimistic
[17:52:46] <IchGuckLive> that is rewaly a good pc
[17:52:49] <pcw_home> (its great until you actually do any I/O)
[17:53:12] <CaptHindsight> can't hurt
[17:53:46] <CaptHindsight> http://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/E350M1/index.asp?cat=
[17:54:23] <CaptHindsight> were $65 on newegg
[17:54:33] <CaptHindsight> now i need to find a replacement
[17:54:35] <pcw_home> Its always a good thing to minimise (since interrupt latency adds to hardware latencies)
[17:55:09] <CaptHindsight> also have $10 EPP PCIe cards from China now
[17:55:35] <CaptHindsight> will be testing it with steppers later
[17:56:02] <pcw_home> anything should work for step/dir
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[18:01:27] <IchGuckLive> step dir needs only 50k latency to get a good performence
[18:01:50] <IchGuckLive> even 100k pc can give you 1000mm/min speed
[18:02:07] <archivist> bollocks
[18:02:07] <skunkworks> well - depends on the step rate.... (step/unit...)
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[18:02:34] <skunkworks> and I agree with archivist... :)
[18:03:11] <CaptHindsight> jumped way up to 1985 on 25uS
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[18:04:48] <maZer`-> hi all :)
[18:05:31] <IchGuckLive> hi
[18:05:45] <maZer`-> i have a small problem on my machine, if i change output_scale from -10 to 10 then the machine drive from alone.. :D
[18:05:47] <maZer`-> also from self
[18:05:50] <IchGuckLive> maZer`-: German
[18:05:57] <maZer`-> yes
[18:06:07] <IchGuckLive> im in kaiserslautern
[18:06:07] <maZer`-> can i speak german
[18:06:19] <IchGuckLive> lets go querry hit my name
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[18:09:50] <IchGuckLive> pcw_home: he got a servo mashine on a 5i2ß so im off as i only got stepeprs someone shoudt jump in and get the issue solved
[18:10:33] <IchGuckLive> i told hiom to upload the ini and the hal
[18:10:51] <IchGuckLive> http://pastebin.com/KsVa5XGB
[18:12:23] <maZer`-> yes its a newbie configuration :( maybe many things wrong
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[18:13:08] <pcw_home> If you have a servo interface the first thing is to get the drive enables
[18:13:09] <pcw_home> working then input scale correct then the output scale
[18:13:40] <maZer`-> ok but is there a trick to get it correct? :(
[18:14:23] <pcw_home> if it runs away, you have the feedback direction backwards
[18:14:23] <pcw_home> are the input scales correct?
[18:14:33] <maZer`-> you mean on the servo drivers?
[18:14:41] <maZer`-> also meassure ad signal on servo controller?
[18:15:43] <pcw_home> First you get the input scale correct with drives disabled (tha is the Axis DRO reads correctly)
[18:16:37] <maZer`-> ahhh you mean input scale of the linear encoders?
[18:17:38] <pcw_home> Yes, that the first step, make sure encoder direction and scaling are correct
[18:18:35] <maZer`-> ahhh okok because i changed the direction of the output :D
[18:19:17] <maZer`-> ok
[18:21:53] <lair82> CaptHindsight , how so???
[18:22:19] <CaptHindsight> isolating the irq's to one cpu
[18:22:23] <maZer`-> pcw_home i changed encoder_scale to -1000 and now its correct
[18:22:28] <maZer`-> now the machine dont drive away
[18:23:34] <CaptHindsight> lair82:
http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/german/forum/18-computer/25927-reducing-latency-on-multicore-pcs-success?limitstart=0
[18:24:00] <CaptHindsight> lair82:
http://www.linuxcnc.org/media/kunena/attachments/16436/irqstuff.zip
[18:24:32] <CaptHindsight> lair82: kernel options "isolcpus=1 acpi_irq_nobalance noirqbalance"
[18:24:40] <lair82> OK, I saw that on the forum, and un-installed the irqbalance with the package manager, but didn't go thru with the rest of it.
[18:24:53] <lair82> Will be adding that as well now.
[18:25:02] <CaptHindsight> we did and dropped from 8K to under 2K
[18:25:06] <pcw_home> maZer: Are the machine coordinates correct? (changin the encoder scale sign will reverse the machine coordinates)
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[18:25:38] <lair82> Wow, thats pretty good!!
[18:25:54] <lair82> Same board as mine?
[18:26:13] <CaptHindsight> lair82: just hot 2066 on the 25uS thread after 1 hour
[18:26:19] <CaptHindsight> hot/hit
[18:26:52] <pcw_home> Which is why you set input scale (encoder scale) properly first and then set the output scale so
[18:26:53] <pcw_home> you have negative feedback (no runaway)
[18:27:01] <CaptHindsight> on the E350m1 but the previous scores were nearly identical to yours
[18:27:08] <CaptHindsight> lair82: ^^
[18:27:44] <lair82> Very nice, these look like pretty good boards then!!!
[18:27:59] <lair82> What processor?
[18:28:20] <CaptHindsight> onboard E359 APU no socket
[18:28:28] <CaptHindsight> but they are suddenly harder to get
[18:28:52] <CaptHindsight> looking for a replacement now with newer chipset
[18:28:57] <lair82> Did you get one of those A10's?
[18:29:13] <CaptHindsight> I have several A10's
[18:29:26] <lair82> Oh,
[18:29:28] <CaptHindsight> http://www.microcenter.com/product/412853/FM2A75M-ITX_Rev_20_Socket_FM2_A75_mITX_Motherboard but getting old
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[18:30:28] <CaptHindsight> http://www.microcenter.com/product/423653/GA-F2A88XN-WIFI_FM2_A88X_Mini_ITX_AMD_Motherboard a bit pricey and has wifi :/
[18:31:19] <CaptHindsight> http://www.microcenter.com/product/431439/AM1B-ITX_LGA__AMD1_Sockets_A_-_E_Quad_Core_mITX_AMD_Motherboard low cost but with older AM1 socket
[18:31:41] <lair82> What happens when they no longer supply standard PCI slots? They look like they are getting more seldom.
[18:32:00] <lair82> Or is that not the case?
[18:32:20] <CaptHindsight> gone from AMD mini-itx for a while
[18:32:36] <CaptHindsight> either need a larger board or use PCIe FPGA
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[18:33:51] <lair82> pcw_home, what would we need to do to use PCIe, all of our machines use the 5I23
[18:34:15] <lair82> Just for future reference.
[18:35:02] <CaptHindsight> how many IO do you use?
[18:35:13] <CaptHindsight> we use the 6i25 PCIe fpga
[18:35:54] <CaptHindsight> 6i68 when we need lots more IO
[18:37:47] <lair82> I run that then go thru a 7I44 then have 2-7I70's 1-7I71 and a 7I73
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[18:39:42] <lair82> Here is a link to my latest build,
http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/30-cnc-machines/27099-cincinnati-milacron-12qx60q-retrofit
[18:43:08] <lair82> And this is the one before that, this is the one thats gonna get the new ASRock board,
http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/30-cnc-machines/26348-2nd-cinci-up-and-running
[18:44:27] <CaptHindsight> I've been looking back into using real time ethernet since the non-PCI MAC's are fast enough
[18:47:11] <CaptHindsight> but that's another big project :(
[18:47:39] <jdh> where?
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[18:51:59] <PCW> lair82: PCI is still available on some MiniITX MBs (Asus J1800i-A, Gigabyte J1900DV3)
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[18:52:19] <PCW> or use a 6I24
[18:52:33] <PCW> or Ethernet like 7I80HD
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[18:55:01] <lair82> I don't really have a preference mini-itx vs micro-atx like that new board we just bought, but looking at alternatives. Also if things go well with that new Asrock, I am going to change over my other two machines
[18:56:00] <PCW> many mcro-atx have PCI
[18:56:09] <lair82> That creates a problem though, and thats why I was wondering, if you look at the pics in the links I just posted, I shoehorn these builds together to conserve space, and I think it looks better that way.
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[18:56:58] <CaptHindsight> lots of various atx with PCI, it's mini-itx that tends to only offer PCIe
[18:57:21] <lair82> So fitting this new Micro-atx board into my builds that utilize the mini-itx now, it creates a a little bit of a dilema
[18:58:33] <CaptHindsight> yeah, that's why I'm searching for new mini-itx alternative as well
[18:58:46] <lair82> For my next build I'm going to probably just get another of the ASRock boards I just bought.
[18:59:06] <CaptHindsight> coreboot, small size, low latency, power is not even an issue
[18:59:54] <CaptHindsight> non-intel is also on my list
[19:00:12] <lair82> We have a 24" OD 100" between centers, 52,500lb Cincinatti milacron waiting in the wings to get retro-fitted!!!!!!!!!
[19:00:45] <skunkworks> one of these days...
http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/cincinnatimi/cinclathe.JPG
[19:01:11] <CaptHindsight> I'm looking for a cnc lathe to redo
[19:01:24] <lair82> Along with our first VMC sometime in the near future.
[19:01:57] <lair82> skunkworks, what model/vintage is that??
[19:02:09] <skunkworks> I don't know off the top of my head...
[19:02:17] <PCW> The J1800 MBs will be hard to beat once supported better (no fan, fast PCI if needed)
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[19:02:30] <skunkworks> I think they were delivered to a local company in 73..
[19:02:34] <CaptHindsight> most of our stuff is small but lots of axis with servos and attachments
[19:02:59] <lair82> Local as in where?
[19:03:20] <lair82> We have a lot of big iron in our shop.
[19:04:29] <skunkworks> western wi
[19:05:17] <skunkworks> it had an acromatic V control on it
[19:05:56] <lair82> Ah, I see, yeah by what I have seen, that would be an early to mid 70's
[19:06:11] <skunkworks> it has hydraulic servos on it..
[19:06:27] <skunkworks> http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/cincinnatimi/piston.JPG
[19:07:03] <lair82> That sounds/looks like a whole bunch of fun
[19:07:10] <skunkworks> :)
[19:07:44] <skunkworks> 50hp spindle - but we sold that motor..
[19:08:18] <lair82> Pretty good size machine the way it looks
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[20:45:21] <maZer`-> hello :)
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[20:45:26] <maZer`-> i got a problem with my y axis
[20:45:57] <maZer`-> if i home it he drives to y+ and hit the end switch, but he not return to search the index on linear encoders
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[21:16:35] <Jymmm> Bah I hate plumbing
[21:17:24] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: why?
[21:17:34] <Loetmichel> i like plumbing as a work
[21:17:37] <Jymmm> Well, I like WORKING plumbing, hate no worky plumbing!
[21:17:43] <Loetmichel> ... the waste water not so much ;-)
[21:17:52] <Jymmm> clog drain
[21:17:56] <Jymmm> for days
[21:18:04] <Jymmm> sulfuric acid
[21:18:10] <Jymmm> enzymes for days
[21:18:19] <Loetmichel> sulfuric acid?
[21:18:19] <Jymmm> boiing water
[21:18:21] <Loetmichel> hmmm
[21:18:26] <Jymmm> 25ft snake
[21:18:28] <Jymmm> nada
[21:18:35] <Loetmichel> i would use NaOH pellets
[21:18:39] <Loetmichel> much of them
[21:18:50] <Loetmichel> works better in my opinion
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[21:19:13] <Jymmm> than sulfuric acid?
[21:19:17] <Jymmm> 85%
[21:19:17] <Loetmichel> yes
[21:19:27] <Loetmichel> for organic clogs
[21:19:38] <Jymmm> I think roots are involved
[21:19:49] <Loetmichel> put im some aluminium shavings and you got drano ;-)
[21:20:12] <Jymmm> I already used liquid NaOH
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[21:20:55] <Loetmichel> snake = high pressure water hose wit rotating nozzle?
[21:21:06] <Loetmichel> oder spiral wire with "drill head"?
[21:21:32] <Jymmm> 1/4" wire spiral
[21:21:59] <Jymmm> one of those hand jobbies
[21:23:25] <maZer`-> if i home it he drives to y+ and hit the end switch, but he not return to search the index on linear encoders
[21:23:26] <Loetmichel> maybe the clog is further down the drain than the spiral can reach?
[21:23:45] <Loetmichel> hmm
[21:23:50] <Loetmichel> why do you home to y+?
[21:24:12] <Loetmichel> normaly the home switch is mounted at y0?
[21:24:29] <maZer`-> yes i watching in hal monitor
[21:24:31] <maZer`-> the switches
[21:24:44] <maZer`-> and the machine drive to y+ and hit the pos sw-limit switch
[21:27:33] <maZer`-> if i move the direction and do home search on y with -y then it works
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[21:28:19] <Jymmm> LoetmichelYeah, I'm suspecting as much.
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[21:32:48] <maZer`-> does somebody can tell me where i can find the file where is declared wich pin have wich function on mesa card
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[21:38:47] <Jymmm> Loetmichel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhORLiiij3I
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[21:43:54] <micges> maZer`-: what card?
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[21:46:40] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: thats why putting aluminium shavings in the lye will eat away any clog much faster
[21:46:52] <Loetmichel> the produced heat and H2 of the reaction
[21:47:37] <Jymmm> ah
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[23:04:15] <zeeshan> hi =D
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[23:17:40] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/hRaDOeZ.jpg
[23:17:41] <zeeshan> finally
[23:17:42] <zeeshan> theyre made
[23:17:42] <zeeshan> =D
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[23:18:03] <zeeshan> jusst gotta build the hub
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[23:22:51] <maZer`-> im back :D
[23:23:44] <maZer`-> does someone know how i can switch default to mm?
[23:23:51] <zeeshan> yea
[23:23:54] <zeeshan> stepconf! :P
[23:24:05] <maZer`-> hehe
[23:24:10] <zeeshan> ull have to change all the values
[23:24:12] <maZer`-> have servo
[23:24:12] <maZer`-> :D
[23:24:13] <zeeshan> for your stepper stuiff
[23:24:17] <zeeshan> you can do it in pncconf
[23:24:39] <maZer`-> in entered all values in mm
[23:25:02] <maZer`-> and it works good but if i use g-code he uses for default inch not mm
[23:25:12] <maZer`-> g0 g1...
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[23:28:28] <zeeshan> yes
[23:29:38] <maZer`-> there must be another way then use pnc conf again. always i run pncconf and open my configuration damage it..
[23:32:23] <Valen> just edit the file
[23:32:30] <Valen> in a text editor
[23:32:50] <zeeshan> its not that simple
[23:32:55] <zeeshan> cause all his servo stuff will be in inches
[23:33:17] <zeeshan> he'll have to do the appropriate conversion to convert
[23:33:35] <Valen> there is an automagic config for servo now?
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[23:33:50] <zeeshan> has been for a while :P
[23:33:52] <zeeshan> pncconf
[23:39:08] <maZer`-> hmm :D
[23:39:21] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/b8c9QUv.jpg
[23:39:25] <zeeshan> finally picked up another tool cabinet
[23:39:28] <zeeshan> 25$!
[23:39:33] <zeeshan> itll hold drill bits
[23:39:36] <zeeshan> and cutting tools :D
[23:40:33] <Valen> btw a tip for you, miniorb is great to put in the base of that kinda thing
[23:40:49] <zeeshan> why
[23:40:52] <Valen> you can use it to roughly sort the bits by size
[23:41:00] <zeeshan> ohh
[23:41:06] <ChuangTzu> that almost looks like a card catalog
[23:41:08] <zeeshan> i was thinking of just putting that tool shit
[23:41:12] <zeeshan> ChuangTzu: it is
[23:41:15] <ChuangTzu> :D
[23:41:17] <zeeshan> haha
[23:41:21] <zeeshan> its a metal one so its pretty heavy duty
[23:41:24] <ChuangTzu> nice
[23:41:27] <zeeshan> i put a couple of 2" mt bits in it
[23:41:29] <zeeshan> and seems to hold it fine
[23:41:36] <zeeshan> but theyre flopping around
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[23:41:46] <zeeshan> where do you get miniorb from
[23:41:57] * Valen is in australia its everywhere
[23:42:18] <zeeshan> ive never seen it in my life ;p
[23:42:34] <zeeshan> you see the material on top of the cabinet?
[23:42:41] <zeeshan> i was planning to put that in each drawer
[23:42:41] <ChuangTzu> i've never heard of miniorb
[23:42:44] <Valen> http://www.hgsitebuilder.com/files/writeable/uploads/hostgator587477/image/img_4462.jpg
[23:42:47] <zeeshan> my gf will do it for me
[23:42:49] <zeeshan> since i dont have patience ;p
[23:42:54] <Valen> see the metal on the side of that
[23:42:58] <Valen> thats miniorb
[23:42:58] <zeeshan> yes
[23:43:02] <zeeshan> thats corrugated sheet metal
[23:43:14] <FrankZappa> corrugated mtl
[23:43:15] <Valen> its corrugated iron, but with much smaller corrugations than normal
[23:43:19] <zeeshan> its usually galvanized
[23:43:27] <ChuangTzu> it's iron?
[23:43:28] <ChuangTzu> not steel?
[23:43:32] <Valen> its steel
[23:43:39] <Valen> people call it iron
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[23:43:45] <ChuangTzu> you crazy australians
[23:43:51] <zeeshan> thats silly!
[23:43:51] <ChuangTzu> :)
[23:43:59] <FrankZappa> it's just VVVVVVVVVV
[23:44:13] <Valen> and drill bits and the like sit in the V's nicely
[23:44:27] <zeeshan> i believe aything past 4% carbon is considered iron
[23:44:30] <zeeshan> i forget the exact percentage
[23:44:32] <zeeshan> ;p
[23:44:46] <zeeshan> http://pwatlas.mt.umist.ac.uk/internetmicroscope/components/plug/cover-screw/plug2p.gif
[23:44:51] <zeeshan> 2%
[23:45:15] <zeeshan> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ad/Iron_electrolytic_and_1cm3_cube.jpg/800px-Iron_electrolytic_and_1cm3_cube.jpg
[23:45:17] <ChuangTzu> cast iron isn't iron
[23:45:18] <zeeshan> pure iron looks so nice
[23:45:22] <ChuangTzu> iron is an element :)
[23:45:37] <zeeshan> that's true, i dont know whyu i was thinking of cast iron
[23:45:44] <zeeshan> then it makes sense to call it iron, since steel is mostly iron
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[23:46:00] <ChuangTzu> but the properties are vastly differnt
[23:46:02] <ChuangTzu> +e
[23:46:04] <zeeshan> yessir
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[23:46:34] <ChuangTzu> when i think of iron, i think of rusty soft stuff
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