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[03:21:51] <CaptHindsight> anyone tried using multitouch gestures with Linuxcnc?
[03:22:02] <CaptHindsight> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ek4QaFQ1qo
[03:22:34] <XXCoder1> hey
[03:22:49] <FrankZappa> whoa, looks like the Future
[03:22:49] <XXCoder1> lol dunno? make an geasure and your cnc breaks ;)
[03:22:59] * FrankZappa not being snarky, it really does
[03:23:21] <XXCoder1> I suspect it might finally work because of tablets
[03:23:36] <XXCoder1> before people just wasnt up to it. there was many... MANY geasure programs
[03:23:56] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder1: yeah, but if you can lock the dangerous stuff out but use gestures for navigating around faster
[03:24:07] <XXCoder1> yeah would work
[03:24:41] <CaptHindsight> like running a g-code program would require a long tap on the start button or similar
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[03:25:15] <XXCoder1> oh talking about cncs I finally had good cnc day. no miscuts no problems
[03:25:36] <XXCoder1> even the trouble chronic car sized cnc went smoothly for half of day I worked on it
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[03:26:09] <CaptHindsight> i was going to play around with a touchscreen with Axis and Gmoccapy
[03:26:27] <CaptHindsight> not sure about which screen to use and all the driver support
[03:26:56] <skunkworks_> 14.04 uses pinch/unpinch for zooming... took a bit to figure that out ;)
[03:28:10] <CaptHindsight> I installed 14.04 but haven't installed Linuxcnc or RTAI to it yet
[03:28:22] <skunkworks_> I am only running sim
[03:28:30] <CaptHindsight> skunkworks_: did you build from source?
[03:28:35] <skunkworks_> yes
[03:29:00] <CaptHindsight> which RTAI kernel?
[03:29:04] <skunkworks_> sim
[03:29:12] <CaptHindsight> ah
[03:29:30] <skunkworks_> isn't there someone on the forum that got rtai running on 14.04?
[03:29:57] * Valen thinks they should consider xubuntu as the base for the next release
[03:30:14] <CaptHindsight> I lost track of that one thread but we had difficulty reproducing his work
[03:30:26] <CaptHindsight> maybe Debian
[03:30:52] <XXCoder1> Valen: yeah
[03:30:59] <XXCoder1> xfce is amazing
[03:31:11] <Valen> I wouldn't go that far
[03:31:14] <Valen> but its not unity
[03:31:17] <Valen> which is a good thing
[03:31:27] <CaptHindsight> 3.4.55 was the last stable RTAI since the scheduler needed to be reworked due to changes in the newer kernels
[03:32:08] <CaptHindsight> been trying the various Mint (deb versions) spins as well lately
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[03:36:08] <XXCoder1> well hope it gets workable new ready to go linuxcnc soonish
[03:37:22] <Valen> has there been a release since 10.04?
[03:37:34] <CaptHindsight> well 12.04 works
[03:37:37] <XXCoder1> well i downloaded latest and it was 10.04
[03:37:48] <XXCoder1> I dont care to use call home version of ubuntu
[03:37:50] <CaptHindsight> there's a howto on the wiki
[03:37:51] <Valen> thats not a "release" though is it?
[03:38:20] <CaptHindsight> nope, I don't think there will be another ubuntu based release
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[03:39:20] <CaptHindsight> http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/9-installing-linuxcnc/27741-64bit--linux-3813rtai-40--linuxcnc-260-pre?start=20 last comment is a month old about RTAI 3.8.13
[03:39:47] <XXCoder1> rtai?
[03:40:06] <CaptHindsight> the RTAI linux kernel
[03:40:17] <XXCoder1> yeah just found detals. thanks tho
[03:40:36] <CaptHindsight> they were using RTAI 4.0 which is broken and having trouble
[03:41:08] <CaptHindsight> so kernel 3.4.55 RTAI is the latest stable
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[03:46:09] <CaptHindsight> https://github.com/ShabbyX/RTAI/tree/linuxcnc-old An old but the only working RTAI repo for LinuxCNC
[03:49:27] <Tecan> hmm
[03:50:20] <Tecan> ubuntu 14.04 EMC ?
[03:50:48] <CaptHindsight> if you want to build it yourself
[03:51:16] <CaptHindsight> Tecan: have you tried the 12.04 howto?
[03:51:27] <Tecan> long time ago
[03:51:49] <CaptHindsight> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxCNC_On_Ubuntu_Precise
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[03:58:05] <tjtr33> multitouch systems... 3 to 5 yrs old, and i watch this stuff!
http://www.medien.ifi.lmu.de/lehre/ss09/os/material/DA_Antrittsvortrag_Florian_Schulz.pdf http://hci.rwth-aachen.de/BendDesk
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[04:00:01] <CaptHindsight> tjtr33: even an old 5-wire touch is fine but I wanted to see what it takes to get the multipoint cap touch panels to behave with Linuxcnc
[04:00:27] <CaptHindsight> the 19-24" cap touch panels are <$300 now
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[04:01:16] <CaptHindsight> they don't work well with gloves on but they also don't get cut or wear the way a resistive film does
[04:01:40] <tjtr33> ok, resistive/capacitive ,not ir sensing & projectors
[04:02:04] <XXCoder1> not bad
[04:02:11] <tjtr33> tehere were some stand alone gestural devices... lemme look back
[04:02:17] <XXCoder1> ir sense is nice sometimes
[04:02:37] <XXCoder1> it works with anything, while capactive needs finger or special tip on screen pen
[04:02:44] <tjtr33> http://www.i-bar.ch/ :) where i first saw
[04:03:23] <XXCoder1> resistive works with anything too but less sensive
[04:03:30] <CaptHindsight> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009610 not industrial but low cost to play with
[04:03:47] <XXCoder1> easy enough to convert it to industual
[04:03:55] <XXCoder1> new case
[04:04:07] <XXCoder1> you got a cnc, cnc it up
[04:04:36] <CaptHindsight> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824016343 optical touch
[04:05:14] <tjtr33> here ya go Luke, mind control
http://hackaday.com/2009/10/21/mind-control-via-serial-port/
[04:05:18] <XXCoder1> well later
[04:05:47] <CaptHindsight> new case and power supply, plus a lookover of how well they built the lcd controller board
[04:05:53] <XXCoder1> those droids are not droids we are looking for. move on. move on
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[04:06:31] <CaptHindsight> tjtr33: did you get all the cats inside? storm are on the way :)
[04:07:19] <tjtr33> no cats here ! but i layed down the6x6 fence panels
[04:07:56] <CaptHindsight> " using brain waves as a controller via a DB9 serial port." what an assumption!
[04:08:18] <CaptHindsight> no brain, no effect
[04:08:47] <tjtr33> it was a toy, the 'force trainer' from starwars days
[04:09:17] <tjtr33> here ya go, the LeapMption device
https://www.leapmotion.com/
[04:09:32] <tjtr33> its got a limited volume to gesture inside
[04:10:28] <CaptHindsight> there was nearly a whole floor of gesture devices at Computex back ~2010'
[04:10:38] <tjtr33> reminded me of Trillian tossing a pencil into Zaphod's volume sensitive space, turnng off the radio news of his stealing the spaceship ( hitchhikers guide )
[04:11:31] <tjtr33> i got some italian gestures to try on it ;) ( slams fist into palm, slapping wrist down )
[04:11:40] <CaptHindsight> was out earlier to test AMD laptops for latency, nobody had any
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[04:12:03] <CaptHindsight> heh, driving gestures on I-94
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[04:13:10] <tjtr33> theres a computer recycler in Chi, i've thought about drop[ping a live cd off and offering a bounty for good units under some threshold for 24 hr burn in
[04:13:43] <CaptHindsight> I need brand spanking new hardware
[04:13:55] <tjtr33> http://freegeekchicago.org/donate oh, not new
[04:14:18] <CaptHindsight> 3411 W. Diversey Ave
[04:14:29] <tjtr33> weird hours
[04:14:40] <CaptHindsight> west logan, it's in an alley, the entrance anyway
[04:15:06] <tjtr33> yah gmapped it once
[04:15:32] <CaptHindsight> https://maps.google.com/maps?q=3411+W.+Diversey+Ave.,+Basement,+Chicago,+IL&ll=41.931409,-87.71228&spn=0.005906,0.009613&sll=41.931885,-87.712921&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&channel=sb&layer=c&cbp=13,185.59,,0,0.07&cbll=41.931969,-87.712909&hnear=3411+W+Diversey+Ave,+Chicago,+Illinois+60639&t=m&z=17&panoid=gh8jPVQnT5FpBBvbvKpDVw
[04:15:48] <CaptHindsight> yikes they should tinyurl those
[04:16:06] <CaptHindsight> http://goo.gl/maps/M9a75
[04:17:06] <tjtr33> so what hardware is your latest fav? amd still? got more than 1 full pci slot?
[04:17:35] <CaptHindsight> I'm reevaluating
[04:17:59] <CaptHindsight> AMD is just launching some new things this week at Computex
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[04:18:25] <CaptHindsight> I stopped developing with Intel about 10 years ago
[04:19:19] <CaptHindsight> and the coerboot devs are working on some new AMD boards
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[04:20:28] <CaptHindsight> http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4343#ov we were using these
[04:21:24] <CaptHindsight> and the
https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/F2A85V_PRO/
[04:22:02] <CaptHindsight> lots of slots for multiple fpga cards
[04:24:06] <tjtr33> i was lookin at that, weird cooler pipe, yep likeevery oddball pci format in pairs
[04:24:24] <tjtr33> hey Bilbo, Frodo, Bardahl... the Ring gesture device
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1761670738/ring-shortcut-everything?ref=discovery
[04:26:18] <CaptHindsight> now if they could make those into 10 lb ankle bracelets and wrist bands
[04:26:33] <CaptHindsight> that require motion to charge
[04:28:21] <tjtr33> haha a green tech WOnder WOman bracelet
[04:28:27] <CaptHindsight> maybe I'll just drop all this cnc and 3d printing nonsense and start making krap kickstarter
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[04:29:39] <tjtr33> or start new religions ( tjtr33's Universal School for Wayward Girls :)
[04:30:12] <tjtr33> wow, waaay OT, time to sleep bye bye
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[05:33:13] <zeeshan> anyone awake
[05:33:18] <zeeshan> i need help setting up limit switches =/
[05:33:26] <zeeshan> i currently only have 2 inputs free
[05:33:38] <zeeshan> whats the best way to wire up hard limits or home limits ;p
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[05:42:29] <MrSunshine> put em all in parallel and have search order of 0 1 2 on the axises when homing ?
[05:42:56] <zeeshan> the thing is
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[05:42:57] <MrSunshine> do not haver time for more than that but i think that is how i would have done it, to have limits and homes on just 1 input =)
[05:43:00] <zeeshan> i kind of want a safety system
[05:43:04] <zeeshan> i dont wanna rely on soft limits
[05:43:10] <MrSunshine> and hard limits you do not wire, them you bolt hard to the machine
[05:43:21] <MrSunshine> :P
[05:43:30] <zeeshan> from my understanding, when you have home limit switches, you can setup the machine origin which in turn allows you to define your soft limits
[05:43:39] <zeeshan> so you would need one for x and one for z
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[05:43:51] <zeeshan> and for hard limits, they should make the machine go in e-stop.
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[05:44:12] <zeeshan> so im thinking, i can put a bunch of NC limit switches in series with my e-stop circuit
[05:44:20] <zeeshan> without occupying anymore pins
[05:44:29] <zeeshan> and then wire up 2 limit switches into the 2 pins i have
[05:44:36] <MrSunshine> you got soft limits (software checks position and stops as a cirtain point), "hard" limits .. are they realy called that ? (amplifiers cuts of when limit switches are hit) and dead stop ... (bolted down stuff that hard hits the axis and overloads the motors and stops the machine that way :P )
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[05:45:00] <zeeshan> hard = hardware limit
[05:45:02] <MrSunshine> i think you can have all X Y Z limits (both ways) and home switches in parallel on one input
[05:45:07] <zeeshan> im assuming thats what they abbreciate
[05:45:09] <zeeshan> and soft = software
[05:45:18] <MrSunshine> if you code some hal yourself =)
[05:45:31] <zeeshan> if i went with a frigging mesa card
[05:45:35] <zeeshan> and not this bullshit parallel port card
[05:45:38] <zeeshan> i wouldnt have this problem :p
[05:45:51] <zeeshan> oh well!
[05:46:07] <zeeshan> im gonna sleep
[05:46:10] <zeeshan> its 2am already jeez
[05:46:11] <MrSunshine> only problem with having them all on the same input is that you need to set the search order for the axises for it to know what axis it has homed
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[05:46:26] <zeeshan> MrSunshine: that should be okay to do i'd think
[05:46:27] <MrSunshine> so you cannot home all axises simultaniously =)
[05:47:32] <MrSunshine> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Homing_And_Limit_Switch
[05:47:36] <MrSunshine> some info about the hal bit atleast
[05:48:37] <MrSunshine> might be series on the limit switches if you use them as NC or parallel if they are NO
[05:48:42] <MrSunshine> oh well, time to go to work
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[06:46:15] <Deejay> moin
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[08:14:48] <archivist> cnc this
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/36-Bullard-Spiral-Drive-Vertical-Turret-Lathe-Needs-work-/201082922553?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2ed179e639
[08:15:13] <Valen> nw, you pay postage?
[08:17:02] <archivist> n bloody no
[08:18:19] <Valen> :-<
[08:18:50] <archivist> would keep someone entertained for a few months
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[11:33:03] <miss0r> Has anyone in here ever used CopperCAM? I am having an issue making it output the correct size, apparently it outputs half size.
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[13:13:33] <miss0r> does anyone in here know how to set Z0 with the optional sensor on a CAMM-3 PNC-3100 ?
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[13:39:29] <jthornton> generally the top of the material is set to Z0, I have no idea what a CAMM-3 PNC-3100 is
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[13:53:05] <CaptHindsight> http://www.rolanddg.co.za/UserMans/pnc300/3100.pdf http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caZ4hwBdjH4
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[13:53:58] <CaptHindsight> miss0r: have you seen the user manual ^^
[13:54:13] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: the king of google
[13:54:14] <zeeshan> :D
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[13:54:44] <CaptHindsight> just lucky
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[14:09:08] <miss0r> CaptHindsight: I have read the manual, but it doesn't say.
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[14:09:48] <miss0r> and unfortunatly the controls off the 3000 are too different from the 3100 for me to use the info in the video
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[14:12:34] <miss0r> I have come up with a plan thou. use the sensor, to determin the 20mm above surface point, then mode the part aside, go down 20mm and zero there.
[14:12:55] <miss0r> Now I am having some issues importing the drill file from diptrace into coppercam :)
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[15:14:57] <miss0r> oh dear god. I am milling PCBs at 40mm/s
[15:15:06] <miss0r> and apparently the tool is holding up
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[15:37:43] <CaptHindsight> A6-6400K 3.9Ghz APU with Gigabyte GA-F2A55M-HD2 Socket FM2 A55 mATX for $65
http://www.microcenter.com/site/products/amd_bundles.aspx
[15:37:43] <DaViruz> now you've jinxed it
[15:45:43] <lair82> Why do I get this error when trying to look at the archive ??? "Not Found The requested URL /irc/irc.freenode.net:6667/emc/ was not found on this server. Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request."
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[15:46:08] <CaptHindsight> lair82: please post the link
[15:46:27] <archivist> because it is called linuxcnc now not emc
[15:47:20] <lair82> Here is the link though, right from the Linuxcnc community webpage, "
http://www.linuxcnc.org/irc/irc.freenode.net:6667/emc/"
[15:48:11] <archivist> that needs fixing
[15:49:17] <CaptHindsight> http://linuxcnc.mah.priv.at/irc/%23linuxcnc/index-2014.html
[15:50:38] <lair82> Also, CaptHindsight that ASRock FM2A88M-HD+ motherboard with the AMD A4-4000 Richland 3.2GHz Socket FM2 65W Desktop Processor will be showing up today, so I will be able to start playing with it to see what the numbers are on it.
[15:54:19] <lair82> That one works, i think the webpage needs updated then, because the links for both the users, and developers channels archives are broken.
[15:54:59] <CaptHindsight> lair82: check for BIOS updates, in BIOS turn off all the power management, virtualization, and speed stepping etc
[15:55:27] <lair82> Will do
[15:56:52] <lair82> What is the link then for the developers channel, if you happen to have it?
[15:57:02] <CaptHindsight> if you want the gpu hardware accle drivers it's possible to install them using Ubuntu 12.04 with 3.4.55 RTAI
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxCNC_On_Ubuntu_Precise
[15:57:10] <Connor> linuxcnc-devel
[15:58:15] <lair82> Thanks
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[15:59:46] <lair82> CaptHindsight, not trying to sound like a wise ass, what advantages will that give me?
[16:00:21] <CaptHindsight> lair82: maybe nothing if all you're doing is running AXIS
[16:00:48] <lair82> We use Gscreen and Gmoccapy on our turning centers
[16:02:13] <CaptHindsight> it depends on which gpu drivers ubuntu defaults to
[16:03:04] <CaptHindsight> sometimes the mesa drivers make scrolling or panning really choppy
[16:03:09] <pcw_home> Gscreen and Gmoccapy must been pretty pokey wit a Intel Atom
[16:03:28] <pcw_home> must have been
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[16:04:41] <lair82> not too horrible honestly,
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[16:07:40] <CaptHindsight> I might pick one up later ASRock FM2A88M-HD+ and 3.9Ghz A6 is only $90, $165 with an A10
[16:07:48] <lair82> The crappy thing about the whole situation is, having to try to jam that great big micro-atx board in the nice little space the mini-itx's are in right now on my control.
[16:08:43] <lair82> Is it really that much more advantageous to go to the A-10 or A-6 over the A-4 that I bought?
[16:09:22] <CaptHindsight> probably not for you, but I'm using cameras with Linuxcnc and doing lots of image processing
[16:10:07] <pcw_home> The A4 shoudl be a big step-up over the Atom CPU speed wise (and video wise if the GPU is supported)
[16:10:11] <jdh> I just put in 6 Cognex cameras. Quite pricey but nice.
[16:12:17] <CaptHindsight> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157464 ASRock FM2A88X-ITX+ FM2+ only $90 with promo code today
[16:13:17] <Connor> jdh: Been playing with the touch probe.. I think I have it just about dialed in.. think my backlash on my machine getting worse since I'm not using ballscrews..
[16:13:24] <lair82> well that blows
[16:13:30] <jdh> tighten up the nut?
[16:13:51] <Connor> Tried to use the probe to measure a 1-2-3 block and it was off by around .02" give or take..
[16:13:56] <jdh> I think I'd blow teh $200 on the ballscrews before $125 for a touch probe :)
[16:14:13] <Connor> Well.. It's my next purchase..
[16:14:26] <Connor> My thinking was.. It's working.. get new toys...
[16:14:28] <jdh> plus, you can do 125IPM
[16:14:44] <CaptHindsight> jdh: how are you using the cameras?
[16:15:12] <jdh> Capt: mostly as barcode readers. Some for flaw detection
[16:15:46] <CaptHindsight> jdh: mine are microscopes looking for defects
[16:15:47] <jdh> we have very difficult to read bar codes. Shiny on shinier
[16:16:04] <Connor> I think I'm going to go double ballnut.. If I can get a straight answer on loss of travel on the Y
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[16:16:28] <jdh> you woudl probably lose close to the ballnut length on Y
[16:16:50] <jdh> but if you did the Y travel increase also, ti might not be too bad
[16:16:59] <Connor> jdh: How are they getting EXTRA travel with the Y ?
[16:17:12] <Connor> I mean.. with out the 2" extension...
[16:17:20] <Connor> I should come out the same.. I would think..
[16:17:28] <jdh> I thought Hoss had a thing on grinding out the casting
[16:17:36] <jdh> but, I might be confused. It's been a while
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[16:18:03] <Connor> I dunno.. Never really looked to see what it was going to take...
[16:18:32] <Connor> I've not even really looked at the Phase 2 plans.. I'm not sure what all needs to be done..
[16:18:49] <jdh> you could use a double-rotating-ballnut and not lose any travel
[16:19:10] <jdh> did you try the TJ's stuffed flounder?
[16:19:12] <jdh> <urk>
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[16:47:40] <zeeshan-laptop> anyone use kde here?
[16:47:57] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: with fedora here
[16:48:09] <zeeshan-laptop> should i be able to just plug in a usb stick
[16:48:12] <zeeshan-laptop> and have it automount?
[16:48:40] <CaptHindsight> it will ask you if you want to mount it
[16:48:47] <zeeshan-laptop> hmm
[16:48:48] <zeeshan-laptop> it doesnt
[16:49:14] <CaptHindsight> there is a panel notifier you can add
[16:49:55] <CaptHindsight> Device Notifier
[16:50:35] <zeeshan-laptop> whats the shortcut to launch a shell in kde
[16:50:37] <CaptHindsight> you can set it to notify you for removable, non-removeable or all devices
[16:50:55] <CaptHindsight> right click on the desktop background
[16:51:21] <CaptHindsight> launches a terminal
[16:52:19] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: are you using Dolphin?
[16:52:24] <zeeshan-laptop> im not sure
[16:52:31] <zeeshan-laptop> im trying to figure out what version of kde this is
[16:52:37] <zeeshan-laptop> oh 3.1
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[16:52:44] <IchGuckLive> hi all b)
[16:53:08] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: what distro?
[16:53:28] <zeeshan-laptop> how can i tell
[16:53:38] <zeeshan-laptop> uname -a gives 'linux mse-gompc 2.4.21'
[16:54:05] <zeeshan-laptop> oh
[16:54:08] <zeeshan-laptop> its a custom operating system
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[16:54:29] <zeeshan-laptop> nm its SuSE
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[17:53:27] <skunkworks> hefty...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtmYOkHgO4w
[18:01:15] <archivist> he has it moving a bit faster here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dtcQeXgcbU
[18:02:54] <Connor> That thing is huge.
[18:03:47] <syyl> normal sized toolroom mill ;)
[18:04:07] <zeeshan-laptop> damn that moves fast in the Z
[18:04:08] <zeeshan-laptop> lol
[18:04:11] <zeeshan-laptop> thats a whole lot of weight
[18:04:12] <syyl> i like the acieras with their massive box ways
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[18:04:38] <archivist> is tiny compared to huge
[18:05:25] <syyl> she would fit on the table of a medium sized vmc ;)
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[18:06:34] <Connor> I want to use my router to mill out some plywood... I've only ever done MDF with it..
[18:07:12] <FrankZappa> that will be messy, potentially
[18:07:24] <FrankZappa> got a really sharp millbit and a really high spinrate?
[18:07:45] <Connor> This is my ROUTER not my mill...
[18:07:52] <Connor> so, yea, it's a BOSH colt..
[18:07:57] <zeeshan-laptop> FrankZappa trollin again
[18:07:57] <zeeshan-laptop> ;D
[18:08:13] <Connor> Just not sure what feed rate to use.
[18:08:18] <zeeshan-laptop> as high as possible
[18:08:18] <zeeshan-laptop> :D
[18:08:23] <zeeshan-laptop> its only glued up wood
[18:08:36] <zeeshan-laptop> i bet you could mill it at 1000 ipm
[18:08:36] <Connor> that's MDF, Plywood is different story.
[18:08:53] <FrankZappa> mdf doesn't behave in asymmetric response because it's homogenous.
[18:09:14] <FrankZappa> plywood has alternating layers of 90 degree oriented sheets
[18:09:27] <FrankZappa> so it's friable, whereas mdf isn't
[18:09:35] <zeeshan-laptop> thanks for the lecture
[18:09:36] <zeeshan-laptop> i know this
[18:09:37] <Connor> I'm cutting out circles.. .755" dia
[18:09:39] <zeeshan-laptop> :)
[18:10:05] <FrankZappa> It looks like everyone already knows you're trolling here
[18:10:11] <FrankZappa> so I'll oblige
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[18:10:34] <zeeshan-laptop> the only troll is you =]
[18:10:35] <FrankZappa> Connor why not just drill thru
[18:11:01] <zeeshan-laptop> find him a.755: drill bit
[18:11:17] <Connor> I'm doing 30 holes.. using a router... with a max bit size shank of 1/4"
[18:12:02] <FrankZappa> wish I could help... beyond my expertise. I'd just use diff tools/setup
[18:12:06] <Connor> on a 10" x 12" x 1.5" plywood (two 3/4" glued together, or maybe 3 1/2" glued.. depends on which one I want to use)
[18:12:12] <FrankZappa> I realize you're probably going with what you must
[18:12:38] <Connor> Making a TTS Tool Rack for my Mill..
[18:12:48] <zeeshan-laptop> just use a 1/4" end mill
[18:12:50] <zeeshan-laptop> and go at it :D
[18:12:54] <FrankZappa> I have seen shots online of people doing smaller holes on the 90 deg points of the circle
[18:13:01] <FrankZappa> then cutting between
[18:13:09] <FrankZappa> they get decent results after cleanup
[18:13:29] <FrankZappa> I can see you want to do angular plunge cut tho
[18:13:41] <Connor> options are manually use hole saw or forstner bit.. or using 1/4" end mill and have the router do it and step back and watch.
[18:13:59] <FrankZappa> yeah I'd go hole saw
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[18:14:08] <FrankZappa> thats kind of big for a forstner
[18:14:13] <zeeshan-laptop> you have a holesaw that can make a .755 hole?
[18:14:19] <FrankZappa> and they don't always remove the material efficiently
[18:14:25] <zeeshan-laptop> cause itll be +/- 30 thou at least
[18:14:26] <zeeshan-laptop> with a whole saw
[18:14:27] <syyl> 0.755 big or a forstner?
[18:14:28] <zeeshan-laptop> hole
[18:14:30] <syyl> drunk?
[18:14:41] <Connor> No. .75" but.. they're not tight tolerance.
[18:14:42] <FrankZappa> I always use smaller ones
[18:14:48] <Connor> and this doesn't have to be dead nutz on either.
[18:14:55] <syyl> go for the router
[18:15:02] <syyl> thats what those machines are made for :)
[18:15:04] <Connor> I'll do spiral plunge..
[18:15:27] <zeeshan-laptop> yep
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[18:15:36] <zeeshan-laptop> roughing end mill
[18:15:38] <zeeshan-laptop> will rape that wood
[18:16:13] <Jymmm> Is it AND gate that you can make any other gate from?
[18:16:16] <Connor> FSWizard no heklp
[18:16:45] <Connor> You can make a OR with a AND I think.
[18:16:51] <mozmck> Connor:
http://www.onsrud.com/plusdocs/Doc/index.html?model.code=FeedSpeeds
[18:17:15] <Tom_itx> that's what i was gonna paste just now
[18:17:30] <mozmck> Connor:
http://www.cnczone.com/forums/woodworking/38498-feeds-speeds-bits-plywood.html
[18:17:40] <Connor> Crap.. Not sure wht plywood this is..
[18:17:57] <archivist> nand gats are the onse that can do anything
[18:18:01] <syyl> sounds like rocket sience ;)
[18:18:02] <archivist> gates
[18:18:02] <Connor> It's not cheap.
[18:18:23] <mozmck> Connor: is it pine, birch, or some hardwood?
[18:18:24] <Connor> Crap.
http://www.onsrud.com/files/pdf/2012%20LMT%20Onsrud%20Production%20Cutting%20Tools%20Hard%20PlyWood.pdf
[18:18:25] <Connor> bad link.
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[18:18:39] <zeeshan-laptop> hey connor
[18:18:44] <Connor> I thnk it's birch.. or slightly softer.. finished ply from Home Depot.
[18:18:45] <zeeshan-laptop> have you setup limit switches on your mill yet
[18:18:59] <zeeshan-laptop> home depot ply is birch
[18:19:04] <zeeshan-laptop> at least at mine
[18:19:16] <Connor> Mill ? Yes / No.. I had it setup for one of the axis.. but.. it's not active .. why ?
[18:19:17] <mozmck> I doubt it's birch from home depot
[18:19:29] <Connor> http://www.homedepot.com/p/Tri-PLY-3-4-in-4-ft-x-8-ft-Birch-Hardwood-Plywood-165921/203642832?N=5yc1vZbqm7
[18:19:30] <mozmck> unless it is a small specialty piece.
[18:19:35] <zeeshan-laptop> connor, i got 2 free input pins, and i need to setup home switches
[18:19:40] <zeeshan-laptop> and hard limit switches
[18:19:48] <zeeshan-laptop> i was thinking of putting the hard limit switches in series with the e-stop
[18:19:57] <zeeshan-laptop> and then running each home switch to each pin
[18:19:58] <mozmck> guess it is:)
[18:20:01] <zeeshan-laptop> think that would work fine?
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[18:20:15] <Connor> do you plan on homing all axis at same time ?
[18:20:21] <zeeshan-laptop> id like to
[18:20:24] <zeeshan-laptop> its X and Z
[18:20:35] <IchGuckLive> om off BYE
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[18:21:25] <Connor> You could run the hard limits in series to one input, and then homes in series into the other..
[18:21:42] <Connor> Mine home/limits are the same switch..
[18:21:43] <zeeshan-laptop> whats wrong with throwing it in the e-stop circuit
[18:21:50] <zeeshan-laptop> that way it kills all power to the stepper drives
[18:21:50] <syyl> nothing wrong
[18:21:51] <Connor> Nothing. You can do that too..
[18:21:59] <syyl> thats common practice on real machines
[18:22:10] <zeeshan-laptop> but you gotta worry about noise then right?
[18:22:11] <Connor> but, then you need some sort of limit override button.
[18:22:12] <mozmck> Connor: see the second link I sent (cnczone) #3 posting.
[18:22:20] <Connor> to get it out of e-stop / limit condition
[18:22:23] <zeeshan-laptop> oh
[18:22:34] <syyl> thats also common Connor
[18:22:34] <zeeshan-laptop> good point
[18:22:38] <zeeshan-laptop> itll just get stuck there
[18:22:39] <zeeshan-laptop> lol
[18:22:46] <zeeshan-laptop> i can always move the axis with my hand!
[18:22:51] <Connor> syyl: Yes, it is.. but, he doesn't have that yet.. which is why I'm bringing it up.
[18:22:58] <zeeshan-laptop> i deserve to move it by hand for crashing =D
[18:23:38] <zeeshan-laptop> i think i have a spare momentary switch somewhere
[18:24:09] <Connor> yea.. if you do that, you put the switch in parallel with ALL the other E-stop switches..
[18:24:22] <Connor> you push it.. keep it pushed.. then turn the machine ON in linuxcnc..
[18:24:29] <Connor> then jog it out of e-stop
[18:24:32] <Connor> or limit
[18:24:33] <Connor> I mean
[18:24:39] <zeeshan-laptop> yea that sounds a lot better
[18:24:44] <zeeshan-laptop> than trying to rotate the ball screw by hand
[18:24:48] <zeeshan-laptop> to get out of e-stop
[18:24:55] <Connor> that's how we have Pete's setup.
[18:25:09] <zeeshan-laptop> okay i will do that
[18:26:21] <Connor> I need to go cut the plywood and laminate it..
[18:26:39] <Connor> rough cut that is.. then after it's laminated.. finial cut. then route it..
[18:27:19] <mozmck> Connor:
http://www.vortextool.com/images/chipLoadChart.pdf
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[18:27:50] <mozmck> http://www.cncroutershop.com/uk/index.php/calculate-feeds
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[18:29:52] <Connor> Wow.. 175IPM..
[18:30:13] <Connor> I don't even remember what my top IPM is..
[18:30:36] <Connor> or is that IPS..
[18:30:39] <Connor> Doesn't say..
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[18:31:04] <Connor> would have to be IPM
[18:31:22] <Connor> 175 IPS would be insane. :)
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[18:32:19] <lair82> my stuff just showed up, should I update to the latest bios rev
[18:33:21] <mozmck> Connor: the feed and rpm are related, if your rpm is too high and feed too low you will burn wood:)
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[18:42:30] <Jymmm> sniff
http://abc7.com/travel/six-flags-colossus-to-shut-for-good-in-august/92290/
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[18:49:58] <CaptHindsight> 175IPS in linear servo speed
[18:50:34] <lair82> CaptHindsight, my stuff just showed up, should I update to the latest bios rev, also, SHould I run the vesa driver?
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[18:51:29] <CaptHindsight> lair82: I'd install the BIOS update
[18:52:05] <CaptHindsight> Ubuntu won't give you a choice of video driver, just try what it decides to use and lets see how well it works
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[18:56:34] <lair82> ok,
[18:57:32] <CaptHindsight> I just asked memleak and he said that Ubuntu 12.04 installed the gallium (hardware accell) drivers by default on the E350M1, maybe it will on yours as well
[18:58:19] <CaptHindsight> but i think your chipset came out after 12.04
[18:58:29] <CaptHindsight> so it might just use mesa
[18:58:44] <CaptHindsight> lets see
[18:58:47] <lair82> 2 GLXGears for about 15 mins with isolcpus enabled, 19604 max jitter 1.0ms
[18:59:11] <lair82> I'm gonna do the bios update now
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[18:59:55] <CaptHindsight> and turn off all the power management, C1E, etc
[19:01:33] <CaptHindsight> lair82: which Ubuntu install? or is that from the LiveCD (10.04)?
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[19:02:31] <maZer`-> hi all
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[19:03:46] <lair82> LiveCD for now
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[19:13:11] <maZer`-> Is there a way someone can help me to configure my machine remotely with me? :D
[19:13:35] <maZer`-> I tried long time and read many things, but i think its to difficult for me alone :(
[19:14:19] <CaptHindsight> maZer`-: post your actual problem
[19:14:46] <CaptHindsight> it's not an apprenticeship
[19:15:33] <maZer`-> my actual problem is the configuration of the axis, i have linear encoders but my reference point is in the middle of the machine
[19:15:36] <CaptHindsight> pastebin.ca (or similar) your .ini and hal files with your questions
[19:16:10] <CaptHindsight> so Home is in the middle
[19:16:12] <maZer`-> my machine drives to the end switch, then it turns back and search the marker in the linear encoder
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[19:16:37] <maZer`-> but the marker is about 25cm away and the search is very slow. It takes 2minutes until the machine find it
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[19:17:36] <maZer`-> i know there is a way i can tell the hal that the reference marker in the linear encoders is about 20cm away from end switch.. but i cant get it working right.
[19:18:04] <CaptHindsight> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/config/ini_homing.html#_home_search_vel
[19:18:26] <maZer`-> yes yes i read it, but my english is not the best and my brain is badder
[19:18:51] <CaptHindsight> that's just to set the Home velocity
[19:19:29] <maZer`-> ok
[19:19:34] <CaptHindsight> please post your .ini and hal files to a pastebin and we can look them over
[19:19:35] <maZer`-> i drive to machine now :D
[19:19:40] <maZer`-> and post the ini
[19:20:01] <CaptHindsight> that would be a good start :)
[19:20:08] <maZer`-> hehe yes :D
[19:20:19] <maZer`-> be back in 20minutes :D
[19:20:33] <CaptHindsight> you can also post to the forums
[19:20:43] <CaptHindsight> http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/index
[19:21:00] <CaptHindsight> I hear that the config wizards are there
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[19:34:53] <lair82> Why would it tell me that I only have 2 gigs of ram, when I have 16 gigs plugged in?
[19:35:57] <Connor> the BIOS or the OS ?
[19:35:57] <skunkworks> 32bit is only going to see 3.something gb ram.. - some taken for video?
[19:36:12] <Connor> and 32bit vs 64bit
[19:38:00] <lair82> The OS, and I'm not sure on 32 or 64, whichever is on the livecd
[19:38:07] <Connor> 32
[19:38:07] <skunkworks> 32
[19:38:10] <skunkworks> heh
[19:38:24] <Connor> Yo don't need 16gb.. Mine has 4gb.. with 3.2 watever showing.
[19:38:44] <lair82> its j
[19:38:59] <lair82> its j-u-s-t-- ---
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[19:39:32] <lair82> its just what we had in the right form factor laying around for this new board
[19:40:25] <Connor> okay.. Well.. Also, not ALL MB's recognize different configurations of ram..
[19:40:42] <Connor> Check to see what the BIOS says..
[19:40:56] <lair82> The bios recognizes it though
[19:41:01] <lair82> 16gb
[19:41:23] <MrHindsight> the 2.6 kernel and 3.4.55 RTAI are 32 bit
[19:41:37] <Connor> okay.. so, then it's a limit on the OS.. minus what ever the integrated video card uses
[19:41:44] <MrHindsight> how much memory did you give the GPU?
[19:42:19] <MrHindsight> you can reduce that to 128MB or 64MB
[19:42:27] <lair82> Thats configureable?
[19:42:34] <MrHindsight> in BIOS
[19:42:57] <lair82> Have to check it out tomorrow, Gotta roll, I'm going to let the latency test run through the night and see what it says.
[19:43:08] <MrHindsight> let me see if I can see what your EFI bios offers
[19:43:14] <lair82> Thanks Guys
[19:43:35] <MrHindsight> ok, the 3.4.55 kernel will support more of that hardware including USB3
[19:51:10] <MrHindsight> I'd turn off spread spectrum, turbo core, APM, C6, cool'n'quiet, SVM, cpu throttle, suspend to RAM
[19:52:20] <MrHindsight> you want cpu running at one set frequency, not jumping up/down based on load
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[20:06:38] <CaptHindsight> hmm the AMD chipsets have GPIO thats often brought out to headers
[20:07:06] <CaptHindsight> if they can be toggled fast enough that could replace the missing LPT ports on new hardware
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[20:10:31] <zeeshan> woohoo
[20:10:39] <zeeshan> i finally got my 0.00005" ash indicator
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[20:10:57] <zeeshan> now i can check how much my hand heat effects results
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[20:36:40] <Deejay> renamd
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[21:13:35] <Deejay> gn8
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[21:40:06] <CaptHindsight> http://spectrum.ieee.org/automaton/robotics/industrial-robots/heres-that-extra-pair-of-robot-arms-youve-always-wanted
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[22:26:20] <zeeshan> http://imgur.com/a/DGn22
[22:26:20] <zeeshan> =]
[22:26:26] <zeeshan> a shit load of indicators
[22:26:29] <zeeshan> only 2 busted
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[22:38:04] <Connor> zeeshan: I had a old one that was frozen up.. took it apart.. put a dab of oil and got it moving again.. works just fine.
[22:38:16] <zeeshan> connor
[22:38:21] <zeeshan> im trying to take this apart
[22:38:34] <zeeshan> do you know how the crystal comes off?
[22:38:34] <zeeshan> the lense thing
[22:38:52] <Connor> Nope.. Mine had screws on the back that allowed me to take it apart.
[22:39:03] <zeeshan> i need to replace the crystal on one
[22:39:17] <zeeshan> trying to figure out how to take it off ;p
[22:39:37] <zeeshan> oh
[22:39:39] <zeeshan> it pulls off
[22:39:40] <zeeshan> haha
[22:39:43] <Connor> wow. 0.00005"
[22:39:53] <zeeshan> yea man!
[22:39:59] <zeeshan> i bet it changes with heat
[22:40:14] <Connor> japan made too.. nice.
[22:40:29] <zeeshan> i think its really old
[22:40:32] <zeeshan> i cant find anything about the manufacturer
[22:40:38] <zeeshan> 'ash precision detroit'
[22:40:40] <zeeshan> might have ben the company
[22:41:38] <Connor> looks like you have a broken edge finder...
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[22:45:23] <maZer`-> hi all :d
[22:45:48] <kengu> hello
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[22:59:57] <maZer`-> can someone help me to create a example configuration for the homing?
[23:00:33] <maZer`-> my machines linear encoders have the home point in the middle of the way
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[23:00:47] <CaptHindsight> maZer`-: post your current configs on pastebin
[23:01:44] <maZer`-> CaptHindsight i drive to machine but i had no internet there. im sorry. Im trying now to create the homing configuration in .txt file here and try tomorrow. ( using internet from neighbor)
[23:02:29] <maZer`-> im very sorry :(
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[23:29:51] <maZer`-> HOME_USE_INDEX does this command effect searching the index in the linear encoders after reaching the end switch?
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[23:32:20] <jthornton> yes, after reaching the home switch it moves to the next index
[23:32:30] <maZer`-> ahh big thanks
[23:32:31] <maZer`-> and
[23:33:02] <maZer`-> my index distance is about 25cm from the end switch
[23:33:04] <maZer`-> HOME_OFFSET
[23:33:17] <maZer`-> does this command will help me to drive fast to a point after releasing the end switch?
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[23:33:42] <maZer`-> also before searching the index
[23:35:18] <jthornton> home search is usually set faster than home seek, after finding home if not set the machine moves to the home position at rapid rate
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[23:39:56] <maZer`-> is there a way i can tell the machine drive -20cm after hitting the end switch. and then start to search the index?
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[23:41:18] <jthornton> I don't think that is possible, but I might be wrong
[23:41:48] <Tom_itx> i back off my switch .1" after homing
[23:42:44] <jthornton> he wants to do that in the middle of homing I think
[23:42:55] <maZer`-> yes
[23:43:11] <maZer`-> move before the index pulse is coming
[23:43:14] <maZer`-> also
[23:43:32] <maZer`-> drive to end switch -> drive 200mm up -> search the index pulse
[23:43:37] <Tom_itx> dunno if that's possible but there are more than one way to home
[23:44:24] <jthornton> it may do it dunno you just have to try
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[23:44:50] <maZer`-> ok :(
[23:44:56] <Tom_itx> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/config/ini_homing.html
[23:45:29] <Tom_itx> 2nd diagram?
[23:45:44] <maZer`-> yes thats right
[23:45:44] <maZer`-> but
[23:46:00] <maZer`-> before final detection of switch
[23:46:23] <maZer`-> i want to move 200mm u
[23:46:24] <maZer`-> up
[23:46:33] <maZer`-> and then find the index pulse :D
[23:48:08] <Tom_itx> why do you need to raise z?
[23:48:24] <maZer`-> my index pulse of z
[23:48:39] <maZer`-> has about 250mm distance from end switch :(
[23:48:51] <Tom_itx> home from the other end
[23:49:07] <jthornton> what happened when you tried to home it
[23:49:30] <maZer`-> also he doing all right
[23:49:46] <maZer`-> but he needs about 2minutes to find the index impulse...
[23:50:02] <maZer`-> if i drive faster then he cannot recognize the index impulse in the encoders
[23:50:13] <Tom_itx> go get a cup of coffee while it's homing
[23:50:14] <Tom_itx> :)
[23:50:34] <maZer`-> haha ok yes i think i should do it ;D
[23:50:53] <jthornton> move your home switch
[23:51:19] <maZer`-> you mean in the linear encoders?
[23:51:23] <maZer`-> or the end switch?
[23:51:42] <jthornton> the end switch
[23:51:57] <jthornton> add a middle switch and use that to home to
[23:52:07] <maZer`-> you mean as paralell switch
[23:52:30] <jthornton> a dedicated home switch
[23:52:53] <maZer`-> hm
[23:53:02] <maZer`-> sorry i think i didnt understand it right
[23:53:35] <maZer`-> but if the machine is under the home switch?
[23:53:51] <maZer`-> then he searching home switch but drive in the end switch ? :)
[23:53:59] <jthornton> if it is homing only IIRC it is ignored except when homing
[23:54:29] <jthornton> you might have to jog to a position before homing
[23:54:35] <maZer`-> sounds complicated.. i think i prefer to drink coffee ;D
[23:54:42] <jthornton> much better
[23:54:48] <Tom_itx> or beer
[23:54:57] <maZer`-> yes jthornton but thats a little bit danger
[23:55:03] <jthornton> now your talking but I had mine already today
[23:55:10] <maZer`-> because drive to a position before homing ;D
[23:55:25] <maZer`-> its a big machine with big forces ;D
[23:55:53] <jthornton> get a big coffee pot
[23:56:06] <maZer`-> :)
[23:56:20] <maZer`-> does it possible to change the homing procedure ? i mean to change the script? ;D
[23:56:30] <maZer`-> if there is an script for it :D
[23:56:39] <Tom_itx> you could rewrite it i suppose
[23:57:00] <maZer`-> just need to add a line to jog 200mm up before searching index ;D
[23:57:14] <Loetmichel> maZer`-: you mean to something like: "move z up until you hit either index ot end switch.
[23:57:39] <Loetmichel> when hitting index: homing done, when hitting end switch: creep DOWN until hitting index?
[23:57:39] <maZer`-> nono not until :D
[23:57:56] <Loetmichel> s/ot/or
[23:58:17] <maZer`-> before hitting/searching index, jog 200mm
[23:58:18] <maZer`-> :D
[23:58:37] <maZer`-> but okok i dring a coffee while indexing ;D
[23:58:53] <maZer`-> homing sorry
[23:58:54] <Loetmichel> maZer`-: that will cause a crahs if you machine is already 10mm before z+ end ;-)
[23:59:15] <maZer`-> nono Loetmichel first drive to end switch of z
[23:59:17] <maZer`-> and then jog 200mm ;D
[23:59:37] <maZer`-> also z+ to end switch
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[23:59:43] <maZer`-> then z- 200mm
[23:59:54] <maZer`-> then search index :D
[23:59:59] <Loetmichel> hmm, but what if the macshine was below the index?