#linuxcnc | Logs for 2014-05-29

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[00:00:19] <XXCoder> yep, various airplane parts lol
[00:00:29] <XXCoder> I'll know more tomorrow
[00:01:53] <_methods> running a vertical mill?
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[00:01:57] <XXCoder> you probably know but I also finally got ballscrews for my cnc :D just need to order few more stuff then done
[00:02:00] <XXCoder> nah cnc router
[00:02:09] <XXCoder> I guess size is 4' by 8 '
[00:02:15] <_methods> carbon fiber?
[00:02:23] <XXCoder> but only 4' by 4' is setup to work.
[00:02:27] <XXCoder> carbon fiber?
[00:02:32] <XXCoder> its monster of steel machine
[00:02:49] <XXCoder> but same basic design as many of home cnc routers out there lol
[00:02:54] <XXCoder> just big ass steel one
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[00:03:05] <_methods> what material are you going to be cutting aluminum?
[00:03:24] <XXCoder> I suspect its why they have it, its cheap to fix if some trainee worker screws it up
[00:03:57] <XXCoder> they also has 3 other machines... one BIGASS cnc router I guess 6' by 15'? its larger than smaller cars
[00:04:17] <_methods> yeah that's a monster
[00:04:30] <XXCoder> and 2 of more typical corprate cnc machines, on standard and one more recent fancier one
[00:04:49] <XXCoder> yeah its large enough for 4-5 people bed lol
[00:05:05] <_methods> just regular 3 axis?
[00:05:17] <XXCoder> the big and even bigger ones? yeah
[00:05:33] <XXCoder> coprprate ones is more fancy with tool changer and stuff
[00:06:00] <_methods> sounds like fun
[00:06:15] <XXCoder> yeah
[00:06:36] <_methods> well you can ignore my burr comment earlier lol or the wet part
[00:06:44] <_methods> sounds like you'll be running dry on stuff like that
[00:06:56] <XXCoder> it do have oil stuff but I dont think it will use it that much
[00:07:01] <XXCoder> maybe dripper
[00:08:43] <XXCoder> they has hella lot scrap metal too but I cant take any bahh lol
[00:08:57] <XXCoder> they gonna make money back selling it
[00:09:00] <_methods> hehe gotta pay for the company parties somehow
[00:09:05] <XXCoder> yeppers lol
[00:09:30] <XXCoder> I saw few nice peices I could use, like small 3"x3"x1" alum block
[00:09:34] <XXCoder> but oh welkl
[00:10:07] <_methods> how long you been working there? after a while you'll probably be able to get some if you ask the right people
[00:10:24] <XXCoder> I'm on 5th week and nah not worried
[00:10:31] <_methods> oh yeah give it some time
[00:10:42] <XXCoder> I can get any wood from wood win, they actually pay people to get rid of it
[00:10:47] <XXCoder> so ligher the better lol
[00:10:50] <XXCoder> *bin
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[00:50:43] <zq> hm
[00:50:50] <zq> what's the difference between a hal pin and param?
[00:51:01] <zq> operationally
[00:51:13] <cradek> you can link a pin to a signal
[00:53:01] <zq> so the pin's value itself lies somewhere in hal shm, right?
[00:53:12] <zq> as opposed to the heap or stack of a hal comp
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[00:53:48] <zq> hal_pin_t-s are just pointers to those special spots in shm
[00:54:21] <zq> which leads to the question, do pins need to be hal_malloc-ed?
[00:54:25] <zq> i don't think so
[00:54:44] <zq> they're pointers to shared mem, not shared values themselves
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[00:55:03] <zq> because i'm seeing a lot of haphazard hal_malloc-ing of pin pointers
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[04:07:53] <Jymmm> Toilet is slow to drain
[04:08:24] <Jymmm> closet auger doesn't help
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[04:09:19] <XXCoder> cherry bomb it
[04:09:31] <Jymmm> I really don't need to be on a 50yo roof at 9pm with a waterhose
[04:09:39] <XXCoder> seriously I heard of plants rooting into sewer pipes
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[04:11:09] <XXCoder> if thats what happened it will slow down tiolet drain
[04:37:43] <Jymmm> Yeah, I've heard that too, and roots breaking sewer pipes too, not somethign I want to think about
[04:38:24] <Jymmm> espwially since we have a slumlord
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[06:52:14] <Deejay> moin
[06:55:34] <Einar1> Good morning.
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[07:04:15] <Vq> Good morning
[07:06:41] <Deejay> good morning vietnaaaaaaaaaaaam ;)
[07:06:51] <Loetmichel> Deejay: wrong
[07:07:18] <Loetmichel> "gooooooood moooooooooooooooorning viet^WChannel!"
[07:07:19] <Loetmichel> ;-)
[07:08:03] <Loetmichel> and you're not robin williams ;-)
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[07:09:09] <Jymmm> And if either of you are going to do robin williams, you can't forget his early stuff.... A NY Echo.... 'Hello up there'... "SHUT THE FUCK UP"
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[07:13:15] <Einar1> I just got in my 2.2KW spindle from China yesterday. Measuring the TIR the needle did not move visibly on a 0.01mm indicator. :-)
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[07:13:44] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: are you also a "morgenmuffel" (morning grouch)?
[07:13:45] <Loetmichel> ;-)
[07:14:05] <Loetmichel> Einar1: where did you measure?
[07:14:52] <Jymmm> It's midnight
[07:14:55] <Einar1> I put a rod in the collet and measured appx. 30mm from the collet holder.
[07:15:08] <Loetmichel> directly at the cone of the spnidle, or with a mill bit shaft put in the ER collet and measured some distance from the collet on the shaft?
[07:15:28] <Loetmichel> oh, that is great then
[07:15:50] <Loetmichel> i would have expected at least 0,02mm there.
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[07:16:29] <Einar1> Measuring the concentricity of the spindle shaft vs. the outside of the motor is not that grat though. Concentric at the upper end, while 0.1mm off at the collet end.
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[07:17:15] <Loetmichel> that is not a problem
[07:17:22] <Einar1> So it is not good enough that the hole in the spindle holder is trammeled.
[07:17:36] <Loetmichel> usually you have to andjust the spindle to the z axis anyways
[07:17:54] <Einar1> Not a big problem, no. And really not expected either.
[07:18:16] <Loetmichel> i had some aluminium tape as "hasberg foil" underneath the holders to adjust it on mine
[07:18:41] <Einar1> But since I have these fancy measuring devices i must use them for something. Ehh?
[07:18:56] <Loetmichel> i would check the connections in the plug of the spindle though
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[07:19:05] <Einar1> Hasberg foil?? Was ist das?
[07:19:22] <Loetmichel> mine hat gn NOT connected, instead they used blue as a Phase ;-)
[07:19:31] <Loetmichel> ( so no earth)
[07:19:46] <Loetmichel> thin steel foil used to level things
[07:20:19] <Loetmichel> cmes in varouls thicknesses and usually small stips coiled up
[07:20:27] <Loetmichel> comes
[07:20:33] <Einar1> The plug have only 3 prongs. So at least they do not fake it. I already found a 4-prong plug and receptacle at work that I will use. It also is IP67.
[07:21:01] <Einar1> (IP67 = Water can get in, but not out again.)
[07:21:22] <Loetmichel> i have two 800W watercolled spindles
[07:21:29] <Loetmichel> so water is already in ;-)
[07:21:52] <Einar1> Do you use plain water or (car) coolant?
[07:22:23] <Loetmichel> Einar1: mix of both
[07:22:53] <Einar1> I bought the 2.2KW with 4 bearings mostly because it's more sturdy. Not because I need the power.
[07:24:07] <Loetmichel> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9Ov69t0uwo <- my setupo at home
[07:24:29] <Loetmichel> the "water" is now red as i put in a liter of car coolant concentrate ;-)
[07:24:48] <Einar1> The spindle spins freely without any noise or uneven feel. I thought of clamping a microphone on it while running in, but my (magnetic) pickup microphones does not stick to stainless.
[07:25:13] <Einar1> I would be curious to see the FFT plot while running.
[07:26:59] <Einar1> I have a retired CPU cooler that I was thinking of connecting up to the spindle. It's pretty compact and closed loop.
[07:28:23] <Loetmichel> normally not needed
[07:28:38] <Einar1> I do regret not buying a set with the clamp for the spindle though. But this seller did not have that. I can never ever make the clamp as cheap as what the chinese sell them for.
[07:28:41] <Loetmichel> the bucket in my case provides ample dissipating surface
[07:29:00] <Loetmichel> the Temperature at the cooling water doesent get above 35°C
[07:29:26] <Loetmichel> i made the clamp with the CNC mill ;-)
[07:29:45] <Einar1> Chicken & egg ?
[07:30:08] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12518
[07:30:25] <Loetmichel> i had a proxxon BFW400 spindle on it beforehand ;-)
[07:30:29] <Loetmichel> BFW40
[07:30:31] <Einar1> I could. I have a big mill. But no thick aluminum sheet.
[07:30:41] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12527
[07:30:46] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12530
[07:30:56] <archivist> local scrap yard is where I get aluminium
[07:30:56] <Einar1> Ahh... a small chicken. ;-)
[07:31:04] <Loetmichel> ??
[07:31:34] <Einar1> .. laying an egg for the bigger chicken.
[07:31:39] <Loetmichel> ah ;-)
[07:32:29] <Einar1> Did you make the whole mill? It does not look like most I've seen.
[07:32:48] <Loetmichel> yeah, its completely selfbuild
[07:32:57] <Einar1> Nice! :-)
[07:33:20] <Einar1> Is it a weldment?
[07:33:29] <Loetmichel> not a single weld
[07:33:36] <Loetmichel> all screwed together
[07:34:02] <Einar1> Ahh. We'll call it a screwment.
[07:34:05] <Loetmichel> and the 10mm round steel bars are glued in the v-grooves
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[07:36:02] <Einar1> And ball bearings against the bars?
[07:36:12] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14034
[07:36:15] <Loetmichel> yes
[07:37:30] <Einar1> And the screw? Is it ACME in acetal or other plastic nut?
[07:38:11] <Loetmichel> german 10mm*3mm "trapezgewinde" in acetal, right
[07:38:52] <Loetmichel> the POM nut is slit in half to get the play out
[07:39:15] <Einar1> Being nice to your neighbours too. -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12560
[07:39:40] <Loetmichel> hrhr, more being nice to the stepper drivers
[07:40:04] <Loetmichel> without the ferrite bead and the sheild i couldnt get the machine to NOT loose steps as soon as the spindle had started
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[07:40:37] <Einar1> But try to keep the (ground) pigtail as short as possible. Even better is 360degrees clamping to the ground bar.
[07:41:02] <Loetmichel> i shield computers for a living
[07:41:11] <Loetmichel> against eavesdroppnig
[07:41:16] <Loetmichel> i know that i am doing
[07:41:36] <Loetmichel> and the shield is 360° clamped at the spindle end
[07:41:46] <Einar1> And better not to ground the shield at the motor end. This is probably against your Tempest thinking. But it can create ground loops.
[07:42:01] <Loetmichel> i know
[07:42:08] <Loetmichel> but it works good this way
[07:42:25] <Loetmichel> my center point of ground is the machine, not the VFD
[07:43:29] <Loetmichel> and the moving parts are grounded by seperate wires, i am not relying on the ball earings for that ;-)
[07:43:30] <Einar1> You probably have a pretty even ground regime because of your work. Ground everything that looks metallic to the common ground point?
[07:43:41] <Einar1> Exactly!
[07:43:49] <Loetmichel> right
[07:43:51] <Loetmichel> ;-)
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[07:44:50] <Einar1> It's also in my line of work. "Do you have fillings in your teeth? OK, then ground them!!"
[07:44:58] <Loetmichel> harhar
[07:45:23] <Loetmichel> as far as emi goes: i made the discovery that a weak ground is better than a zero ohm one
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[07:45:31] <Loetmichel> for amping
[07:45:36] <Loetmichel> damping
[07:46:01] <Loetmichel> so the fillings are grounded by your flesh bettter than by a wire ;-)
[07:46:41] <Loetmichel> i could haave made a shielded case for the steper drivers instead of damening the emi from the spindle
[07:46:42] <Einar1> I tend to emit more acoustic noise than EMI.
[07:47:35] <Einar1> I have a VFD filter on the shelf in case needed.
[07:47:44] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12808 <- that is the back of the MIll ;-)
[07:48:28] <Loetmichel> there is some potential for shielding... i left that for later ;-)
[07:49:04] <Einar1> You have access to EMC lab, don't you? It would be interesting to see the emission properties of the "Fjung Yang" VFD.
[07:49:10] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12811 <- front
[07:49:20] <Loetmichel> i have access to tow labs
[07:49:27] <Loetmichel> but i dont want to know that
[07:49:40] <Loetmichel> i already had fun with a 50W batter charger
[07:49:59] <Loetmichel> laying on my desk, charging a drill battery
[07:50:09] <Loetmichel> 10 meters from the measurement chamber
[07:50:31] <Einar1> I just unpacked it. Only test so far was shaking it. No rattles, nothing fell out. ;-)
[07:50:37] <Loetmichel> colleague omens the chambers door: SA goes to overload from 10khz to 10ghz
[07:50:42] <Loetmichel> "WTF?!?"
[07:50:45] <Loetmichel> opens
[07:51:19] <Einar1> ?? That means your chamber leaks?
[07:51:51] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14751
[07:51:55] <Loetmichel> this lottle fucker
[07:52:13] <Einar1> Uhh? KaBooom!! ??
[07:52:48] <Loetmichel> no, that means the chamber is good, but openening the chambers door let enough emi from that charger in that the Analyzer has gone to overload
[07:52:55] <Loetmichel> and that from 10 meters distance
[07:53:23] <Loetmichel> kaboom? why?
[07:53:37] <Loetmichel> because i pryed open a lithium battery?
[07:53:41] <Loetmichel> wimp! ;-)
[07:54:02] <Einar1> OK I thought it was opened by the charger.
[07:54:38] <Loetmichel> no, that was a test if the battery itself is still good
[07:55:04] <Loetmichel> the - tab wasnt welded to the sell, so it did not work inside the shell
[07:55:19] <Loetmichel> bought two flashlights with 4 of these batterys
[07:55:39] <Loetmichel> 2 not working at all, the other two had 300 and 400mAh instead of 3000
[07:55:43] <Einar1> So are those batteries like russian dolls? A case within a case. I never opened one.
[07:55:52] <Loetmichel> still a good deal for 12 eur each ;-)
[07:56:18] <Loetmichel> no, the battery itself there is just a wrap of metal foil and electrolyte ;-)
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[07:56:57] <Einar1> I know a guy in UK that offered me a BIG bunch of free LiIon cells. But they cannot be shipped without a stack of papers. ;-(
[07:56:57] <Loetmichel> intense "cherry" stench when opened ,-)
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[07:57:40] <Loetmichel> have him pack them in 6 packs and send in seperate packages ,-)
[07:58:29] <Einar1> I think even then it would go against the rules. Besides becoming rather expensive.
[07:58:34] <Loetmichel> iirc the paperwokr is only needed above a certain thereshold of lithium mass inside the cells
[07:58:55] <Loetmichel> per package
[07:59:48] <Loetmichel> i just paid 7 eur per cell for four real 2900mah 18650 cells
[07:59:58] <Loetmichel> and they live up to the promise.
[08:00:00] <Einar1> I have another option. A friend living just 3Km away repairs robot mowers. Usually many cells in a dead package is good.
[08:00:19] <Loetmichel> unlike the chinese blue ones ;-)
[08:01:27] <Loetmichel> btw: althoug the batteries are bad and they have some issues with quality control: these flashloghts are really great: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14733
[08:01:35] <Einar1> And I also know a guy running a tow truck + car crushing facility. I'm just waiting for a Tesla crash. ;-)
[08:01:59] <Loetmichel> 12 eur each for this: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14742
[08:02:29] <Loetmichel> from top to bottom: lamp off, lamp on wide, lamp on maximum zoom
[08:02:55] <Loetmichel> and it fits the trousers pocket ;)
[08:03:40] <Loetmichel> hrhr, i think tesla will buy back the pile of steel that resuilts in a crahs
[08:04:09] <Loetmichel> and if it were only to prevent bad press from a burning car compactor ;-)
[08:04:21] <Einar1> Speaking of.. Once I felt like my pocket was burning! I forgot that I put a battery in my pocket. And there already was a bunch of keys there. Ouchhh!
[08:04:28] <Loetmichel> ouch
[08:05:00] <Loetmichel> did that on pourpose with 2 9V e-blocks a couple of times as poor mans pocket heater
[08:05:15] <Loetmichel> just plug them together for about 2 hrs of warmth ;-)
[08:05:47] <Einar1> Boiled eggs? :-) :-)
[08:05:47] <Loetmichel> BATETRIES, bot accumilators, or tyour pocket will burn ;.-)
[08:06:06] <Loetmichel> <- sorts his fingers ;-)
[08:06:08] <Einar1> With a sausage.
[08:07:01] <Loetmichel> the 9V alkaline blocks can deliver about 1A at max (high inner resistance) so you have about 18W heating in the pocket
[08:07:20] <Loetmichel> just enough to get it cozy, not enough to burn anything ;-)
[08:08:26] <Einar1> It's a beautiful day. I think I'll go and pull some weed out of the ground and see if there is a lawn somewhere underneath.
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[08:10:41] <Loetmichel> hrhr
[08:10:54] <Loetmichel> i will drive 2300km to a multicopter meeting now
[08:10:58] <Loetmichel> 200km
[08:12:28] <Einar1> Have a nice trip.
[08:23:34] <Valen> 200km is better than 2300km ;->
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[08:27:39] <Loetmichel> Valen: for 2300km i would take a plane
[08:27:43] <Loetmichel> to lazy
[08:27:45] <Loetmichel> ;-)
[08:27:46] <Loetmichel> +o
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[09:10:06] <miss0r> This morning I was offered a Roland PNC-3100 complete with software & Lisences for ~1200USD. It has only been used for aprox 4 hours, and everything is shining new (It has been in warm dry storage for 4 years). Is this a good offer? is the Roland PNC-3100 any good? (I have no experience with this machine what so ever)
[09:11:06] <Jymmm> to do what?
[09:11:27] <miss0r> PCB & plastic milling
[09:11:46] <miss0r> I am basicly wondering if this machine is worth the money
[09:13:34] <Jymmm> Roland has always been propritary in the software
[09:14:01] <Jymmm> So a retrofit may be in oder to move away from that or if you need to upgrade/replace parts later on.
[09:14:29] <miss0r> Indeed. Can you tell me anything about this machine? is it a good offer?
[09:14:42] <Jymmm> XYZ woring area is 9x6x6 inches so not very big
[09:15:26] <Jymmm> Tooling I think it uses by default is more specialized
[09:15:47] <Jymmm> Not like you can chuck up a 1/4" bit iirc
[09:16:15] <Jymmm> 6mm EDC-24 collet it looks like.
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[09:16:33] <miss0r> So I can only mount 6mm bits?
[09:16:56] <Jymmm> They are basically a jewlery/engravers type machine, good quality
[09:18:07] <miss0r> well, the plastic I am working on is basically engraving signs ect. and if it can do jewlery it can certainly do pcbs ?
[09:18:07] <Jymmm> http://www.zelkovaltd.com/Plotterworld/store/stock/Roland/Brochure/PNC-3200.htm
[09:18:26] <miss0r> the one I am looking at is a 3100
[09:20:11] <Jymmm> http://www.manualslib.com/manual/604438/Roland-Pnc-3100.html?page=3#manual
[09:21:25] <miss0r> Indeed, i've read the manual. But I am having a hard time finding any of these for sale online, so I have no idea if I am being overcharged. What is your opinion?
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[09:45:46] <Einar1> Used 4 hours? Then it's cheap. If it will do what you want it to do is something you have to judge. If not, it's an expensive exibit piece. ;-)
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[11:10:31] <_methods> http://axiomtek.com/products/ViewProduct.asp?view=1112
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[12:10:41] <jdh> anyone making anything cool and/or interesting?
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[12:50:03] <archivist> I am waiting for the next interesting thing to do, does that count?
[12:52:49] <syyl> just made a dividing head ;)
[12:52:50] <syyl> http://gtwr.de/web/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/pro_div_198.jpg
[12:54:08] <jdh> syyl: nice!
[12:54:51] <syyl> :)
[12:54:55] <syyl> made from this kit
[12:54:55] <syyl> http://www.hemingwaykits.com/acatalog/Versatile_Dividing_Head.html
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[13:00:03] <CaptHindsight> been trying to find uses for those cheap routers besides recycling them for metals, here's a possibility http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhQJDfmBmb0
[13:00:48] <archivist> syyl, I have the castings for that (for many years)
[13:01:50] <archivist> what not cnceed
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[13:06:52] <narogon> hi
[13:08:05] <narogon> if I want to recompile some changes i've made in .../src/emc/usr_intf/halui.cc
[13:08:14] <narogon> is just enough ./configure and make???
[13:11:47] <cradek> assuming you already configured and built before -- make will build just the necessary things
[13:11:58] <cradek> you only need to configure once
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[13:13:07] <JT-Shop> syyl, very nice
[13:13:22] <narogon> ok thank you cradek!!
[13:14:02] <archivist> I hope syyl got better worms and wheels than I did
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[16:32:21] <fogl> hello everybody... is there a way to read the current rt_timer configuration. I would like to know if it runs in oneshot_mode or in periodic_mode. What rt_timer_mode is required for running linuxcnc?
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[16:38:55] <IchGuckLive> hi all
[16:40:15] <IchGuckLive> fogl: if you run the linuxcnc live cd it will install the kernel and the mode you need to
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[16:41:38] <fogl> i know :) but i would like to know which mode is this
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[16:42:04] <IchGuckLive> let me check it on a real mashine
[16:42:30] <fogl> i have the machine with linuxcnc also, but i dont know how can i check this
[16:43:03] <fogl> when i run latency test it says it runs in one_shot mode
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[16:44:00] <IchGuckLive> this is it
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[16:44:36] <IchGuckLive> this gives you the known ns trigger we all like
[16:44:49] <fogl> i was talking about rtai latency test. ..and i assume the linuxcnc latency test also runs in one-shot mode.... but what i dont understand is why do i have to set the servo_period to a value equal to base_period*n
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[16:45:55] <IchGuckLive> the servo period is used to check IO not realy needed in the movement trigger base
[16:46:23] <IchGuckLive> you simply do not need to check all the IO on every interpreter loop
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[16:46:54] <IchGuckLive> fogl: on a stepper mashine it is also not needed as the trigger is slow
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[16:47:08] <IchGuckLive> slow means about 500ns
[16:47:25] <IchGuckLive> lowest i use 5000
[16:48:04] <IchGuckLive> fogl: wat is your goal to meat SERVO on fast mashine
[16:48:17] <IchGuckLive> or standard milling plasma
[16:48:24] <fogl> no, just study linuxcnc and rtai
[16:48:57] <Jymmm> World's Simplest Soft Latching Power Switch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Foc9R0dC2iI
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[16:49:29] <IchGuckLive> fogl: where are you in the world im in germany
[16:49:47] <fogl> slovenia
[16:50:24] <IchGuckLive> for speeding up your system base and servo period is normaly not a good start
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[16:53:11] <fogl> what i dont uderstand is why the servo_period has to be equal to integer*base_period. This implies the linuxcnc uses rt_timer in periodic mode
[16:53:50] <IchGuckLive> no you need a fix count
[16:54:01] <IchGuckLive> to get a realtime integer check
[16:54:38] <IchGuckLive> lets say EXample
[16:54:50] <IchGuckLive> Servo 1Mio Base 100k
[16:55:00] <IchGuckLive> so interpreter TR lookup is 10
[16:55:40] <IchGuckLive> you will find a Realtime error if the servo period triggers and the base counter is not at 10
[16:56:09] <IchGuckLive> actely it is at 9 as started at 0
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[16:56:29] <IchGuckLive> so the system check is confirmed and the step will take place
[16:56:38] <fogl> can i set base period to 123k and servo to 1M
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[16:57:03] <IchGuckLive> base at 123k is a very< badpc
[16:57:35] <IchGuckLive> yes you can you will see in some movements a Realtime fail on screen but the mashine will do the step
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[16:58:26] <IchGuckLive> fogl: the 123k in the stepconf will not be regionised you need to do this manuell
[16:58:54] <IchGuckLive> i assume you said the parport reset timing in hal aso up
[16:59:04] <IchGuckLive> at least 6k
[16:59:37] <IchGuckLive> fogl: please hit my nickname
[16:59:55] <fogl> i did
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[17:59:13] <IchGuckLive> Loetmichel: did it rain at your home
[17:59:28] <IchGuckLive> here we got less then 1liter in the last week
[18:00:12] <IchGuckLive> all clouds re burning away in Baddürkheim region
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[20:01:06] <Jymmm> PCW: ping
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[21:18:12] <CaptHindsight> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/4422853/onewheel-the-self-balancing-electric-skateboard
[21:19:06] <kengu> hoverboard
[21:20:00] <CaptHindsight> http://tv.slashdot.org/video/?embed=FhbWIzbjq3gbXTFUj_J8Ntj0lvdi69ce
[21:23:17] <CaptHindsight> and I was just thinking about making an updated motorized skateboard
[21:24:12] <SpeedEvil> I have a design for a hoverboard.
[21:24:46] <SpeedEvil> It's ~30kg, 0.6.1.2*0.3m or so (folded) unfolds into a square, and can ascend to 4km or so.
[21:25:02] <SpeedEvil> Peak accelleration is 2G, take-off power is 300kW
[21:25:43] <CaptHindsight> it doesn't count if you just mount a deck on top of a fighter jet :)
[21:26:04] <SpeedEvil> Err - no - this is carryable.
[21:26:19] <SpeedEvil> Well - luggable.
[21:26:47] <SpeedEvil> Basically a closely packed array of ducted fans.
[21:26:59] <CaptHindsight> pretty dense power 10KW/Kg
[21:27:14] <SpeedEvil> 100 fans at 3kW spinning at 50000RPM may be rather loud though.
[21:27:35] <SpeedEvil> Lithium-ion batteries have ridiculous energy density. If you're OK with them only lasting 4 minutes or so.
[21:27:51] <SpeedEvil> ^a charge
[21:28:36] <CaptHindsight> what the glide angle like?
[21:28:55] <SpeedEvil> Exactly the same as a brick, unpowered.
[21:28:57] <CaptHindsight> rock or kite?
[21:29:32] <SpeedEvil> It's going to fall at about 90MPH I think.
[21:29:46] <CaptHindsight> $1499 total yikes!
[21:30:27] <CaptHindsight> and only 4-6mi range
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[21:31:41] <SpeedEvil> I question if you'd really want to ride it long distances though. It's not as if you're gonna commute on it.
[21:31:45] <CaptHindsight> I used to get ~1mi per oz of 10% nitromethane and gasoline
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[21:32:03] <SpeedEvil> 'The frame of Onewheel is CNC machined from solid billet 6061 aluminum. This creates the lightest and strongest vehicle.'
[21:32:17] <SpeedEvil> Right - that's why F1 cars are made out of machined solid aluminium.
[21:32:23] <CaptHindsight> heh
[21:32:55] <CaptHindsight> well if they tried carbon fiber it would be a $15K skateboard
[21:33:42] <SpeedEvil> CF isn't really that expensive.
[21:33:47] <SpeedEvil> But the design probably is.
[21:33:55] <SpeedEvil> Al isdamn easy
[21:34:54] <SpeedEvil> I suspect you could make it quite a lot lighter with two small wheels.
[21:34:58] <SpeedEvil> I mean split it
[21:35:29] <CaptHindsight> I think they just made a proto for fun and it ended up being popular
[21:35:38] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[21:35:59] <CaptHindsight> it could use lots of improvement
[21:36:11] <CaptHindsight> they raised $600k
[21:36:14] <SpeedEvil> It'sgoing to be decent on grass, I guess.
[21:37:21] <SpeedEvil> The single large wheel has obvious terrainplusses
[21:38:53] <CaptHindsight> if the back was a bit longer so that you could use it as a kicktail....
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[21:39:07] <CaptHindsight> I could see getting some air with that
[21:39:39] <CaptHindsight> have the wheel coast when it's not on the ground
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[22:08:24] <CaptHindsight> http://www.3ders.org/articles/20140527-a-3d-printed-bartender-robot-called-bar-mixvah-can-mix-you-a-cocktail.html
[22:08:50] <CaptHindsight> do any of these guys even read Machine Design?
[22:09:21] <CaptHindsight> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-PAW3KoB_A
[22:10:49] <skunkworks_> http://youtu.be/HPzow8L1dxw
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[22:15:12] <CaptHindsight> skunkworks_: faster and also better blending or just faster?
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[22:16:42] <skunkworks_> faster because of the new lookahead
[22:18:20] <CaptHindsight> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/barobot/barobot-a-cocktail-mixing-robot/
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[23:28:14] <humble_sea_bass> this is too upsetting for a thursday
[23:28:18] <humble_sea_bass> wtf are you doing to me
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[23:30:19] <MrHindsight> lol
[23:33:44] <MrHindsight> been battling with the Automation Direct PLC programming tools today
[23:34:27] <humble_sea_bass> those the PLCs that look like legos
[23:34:43] <MrHindsight> I swear does anyone that needs to get anything done quickly ever talk to their devs?
[23:35:55] <MrHindsight> they have a whole range from bricks to multiple slots
[23:36:46] <MrHindsight> http://www.automationdirect.com/adc/Shopping/Catalog/Programmable_Controllers
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[23:38:48] <humble_sea_bass> what wrong with their tools
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[23:41:47] <zeeshan> micrologix allen bradley
[23:41:50] <zeeshan> are very cheap!
[23:41:56] <zeeshan> er
[23:42:01] <zeeshan> rockwell / allen-bradley
[23:42:11] <zeeshan> you can get a 16 i/o one for like $100
[23:42:15] <zeeshan> on ebayy
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[23:52:29] <MrHindsight> zeeshan: same for these KOYO/DirectLogic
[23:52:52] <zeeshan> ah i see
[23:52:56] <MrHindsight> had the software already
[23:53:05] <zeeshan> i downloaded rs-logix
[23:53:11] <zeeshan> was a pain in the ass to find a long trime ago
[23:53:46] <MrHindsight> I'm using it on your lathe
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[23:55:20] <zeeshan> :D
[23:55:23] <zeeshan> for what
[23:57:08] <revo14> hello, linuxcnc can run in a laptop hp v6000? with that ports? or just port parallel
[23:59:06] <MrHindsight> zeeshan: on/off, fwd/rev and blinkenlights
[23:59:22] <zeeshan> ah cool
[23:59:29] <zeeshan> my machine did that with contactors
[23:59:31] <zeeshan> not plc
[23:59:51] <MrHindsight> the panel on this one was a mess and missing stuff
[23:59:59] <zeeshan> same with mine man