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[00:01:05] <XXCoder> wow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=w3LVYpXz648
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[00:08:00] <XXCoder> interesting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HgZBPYJ2Y-w
[00:09:53] <malcom2073> That Bas guy seems pretty smart, trying to use some of his stuff right now actually heh
[00:10:15] <XXCoder> unfortuate that his drop rate is too high
[00:10:26] <XXCoder> I'd try to make it 10 times slower
[00:10:31] <XXCoder> si it'd reach 20 hours
[00:10:40] <XXCoder> then bit more to finally reach 24 hours
[00:11:02] <malcom2073> Oh the clock, hat's pretty nifty too
[00:11:58] <malcom2073> His printer is pretty though (the clock guy)
[00:12:06] <XXCoder> tough?
[00:12:31] <XXCoder> he apparently modified it for higher accuracy in price of speed. it took hours
[00:15:37] <uw> mesa people, what is better 5i25 or 6i25
[00:16:17] <uw> truth or personal opinions
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[00:18:26] <Jymmm> uw: Lies =)
[00:18:46] <Jymmm> uwe_: Sell me the snake oil baby!!!!
[00:19:05] <Jymmm> uw uwe_ eh, y'all look the same to me!
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[00:19:44] <uw> we're probably the same person
[00:24:54] <XXCoder> whats funny is that hes not even sure ;)
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[01:00:35] <XXCoder> interesting
http://www.bbc.com/autos/story/20140523-car-industrys-miracle-material
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[02:16:55] <pcw_home> uw: The 5I25 and 6I25 are basically identical so if you have a PCI slot use the 5I25, if you only have PCIE slots, use the 6i25
[02:20:56] <Valen> pcw_home: kudos on web store, It'll make my life *so* much easier ;->
[02:23:25] <Valen> and thanks for having usps as a shipping option
[02:23:39] <zeeshan> usps for the win
[02:23:56] <zeeshan> valen i take it youre not in usa?
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[02:25:43] <Valen> australia
[02:26:05] <zeeshan> say you buy a 100$ item from usa
[02:26:14] <zeeshan> and ship through ups, how much brokerage do you have to pay
[02:26:34] <Valen> if the declared value is > $500 by courier it needs to go through customs and the like, so there is a 10% fee, then the courier bends you over to the tune of like $80 in brokerage
[02:26:42] <Valen> its $1000 limit if it comes by post
[02:26:52] <zeeshan> in canada if its 100$ item
[02:26:59] <zeeshan> it ends up being an additional 56$
[02:27:00] <zeeshan> lol
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[02:40:10] <NickParker> Ugh.. So I got the relays to start/stop my spindle working, but now I can't figure out where the hell the 0-10V input was. I thought I knew that, but what I thought was my 0-10 is actually a 120VAC line in to the horrifying kluge which controls spindle speed..
[02:40:36] <zeeshan> what vfd
[02:40:52] <NickParker> Wish I knew. It's in a Shizuoka ST-N from 1979
[02:41:00] <NickParker> DC spindle, 5hp if i remember right.
[02:42:05] <zeeshan> its hard to tell without a manual :P
[02:42:34] <Valen> NickParker: that sounds like it could be exciting to find out
[02:42:46] <NickParker> Valen: Exciting in a good way?
[02:43:02] <Valen> i mean like connecting a pot to the 0-10v line and having it explode
[02:43:10] <NickParker> Valen: Oh no, better than that.
[02:43:20] <NickParker> Clipped them, held them to my probes to check which was ground
[02:43:26] <NickParker> blasted my finger with mains power
[02:43:31] <zeeshan> rofl
[02:43:34] <zeeshan> ouch
[02:43:35] <Valen> fun
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[02:43:59] <NickParker> Better than my dad. He foolishly assumed the switch up on the logic box had turned it fully off for him
[02:44:17] <NickParker> poked the two sides of the 240V line in a row of screw terminals.
[02:44:52] <XXCoder> hopefully surivied
[02:45:19] <NickParker> yeah. Poked it with one finger and his other hand at his side. Just gave him a surprise.
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[02:46:36] <XXCoder> whew
[02:48:41] <NickParker> Hmm.. kwallace has a different spindle than me, but it looks like all he did for speed control was motorize the rheostat on the front lol..
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[02:51:14] <zeeshan> i have this 800t-u24 potentiometer
[02:51:17] <zeeshan> i wonder i should sell it
[02:51:25] <zeeshan> got it randomly from a tool box i bought
[02:51:34] <zeeshan> i wonder what machine it was used n
[02:51:36] <zeeshan> *on
[02:51:45] <XXCoder> let me know if you wanna sell lots 15 series 8020 for cheap lol
[02:52:19] <zeeshan> wtf
[02:52:25] <zeeshan> this potentiometer is 121-150$ on ebay
[02:52:29] <zeeshan> its a potentiometer!
[02:52:47] <XXCoder> rare? fancy? gold plated?
[02:52:52] <zeeshan> no idea
[02:52:59] <NickParker> zeeshan: Lots of machine shops buy matching parts for their machines just because they don't know enough to use modern ones.
[02:53:13] <NickParker> The drivers in my mill are $400 a piece despite containing about $80 worth of components.
[02:53:18] <zeeshan> lol
[02:53:22] <NickParker> probably less than that actually..
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[02:54:13] <NickParker> they're literally four optoisolated transistors that can switch 8A at 48V.
[02:54:17] <zeeshan> 5000 ohm resistor in it
[02:54:20] <zeeshan> operating voltage 300V
[02:54:20] <zeeshan> hmm
[02:54:41] <zeeshan> ill keep it, never know when ill nmeed it
[02:54:45] <zeeshan> potentiometers are always useful =D
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[04:33:15] <Jymmm> Food snifer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bzw-QTnq7pA
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[06:45:32] <Deejay> moin
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[07:06:41] <Jymmm> Whats the deal with using two different switching PS and the grounds?
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[10:51:14] <jthornton> morning
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[14:33:02] <Deejay> tach
[14:33:20] <archivist> generator
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[14:44:55] <Deejay> hi :)
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[15:26:46] <zeeshan> anyone have experience doing a warranty claim through automationtechnologies/cnc4pc?
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[15:51:33] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: yes, I walked in the front door and said this is bad. They said let me get you another one. I walked out with a different one.
[15:51:44] <zeeshan> rofl
[15:51:56] <zeeshan> i dunno they referred me to cnc4pc
[15:52:00] <zeeshan> and cnc4pc won't respond
[15:52:19] <XXCoder> man
[15:52:29] <XXCoder> that sucks :( hope you finally get resolution
[15:52:46] <zeeshan> i hope you bought a toroidal supply
[15:52:47] <zeeshan> not a smps!
[15:53:14] <XXCoder> try asking linear why they reffered to cnc4pc
[15:53:17] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: have bad board?
[15:53:24] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: power supply
[15:53:27] <zeeshan> blew up instantly
[15:53:32] <XXCoder> maybe records showed you bought from em when you didnt
[15:53:33] <zeeshan> when i was jogging the stepper
[15:53:48] <zeeshan> i have two dedicated 72vdc power supplies per stepper driver
[15:54:01] <zeeshan> so i swapped the stepper to get powered from the other supply
[15:54:03] <zeeshan> everything was fine
[15:54:18] <zeeshan> so its gotta be a faulty supply
[15:55:17] <XXCoder> and cnc4pc dont see your buy in their record (again because you didnt buy from em) so you get no reply
[15:55:31] <zeeshan> yea
[15:56:03] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: you bought it through automation tech (keiling)?
[15:56:08] <zeeshan> yessir
[15:56:17] <CaptHindsight> how long ago
[15:56:22] <zeeshan> jan 15 , 2014
[15:56:25] <zeeshan> warranty is for 12 mo
[15:56:38] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: who did you talk to there?
[15:57:04] <zeeshan> john
[15:57:44] <XXCoder> oh my screws finally shipped. jeez. lol
[15:58:02] <zeeshan> XXCoder: chai is a funny guy
[15:58:12] <zeeshan> he told me my tracking number on the day they actually arrived
[15:58:13] <zeeshan> :D
[15:58:20] <XXCoder> lol
[15:58:20] <zeeshan> he usually ships same day / next day
[15:58:23] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: I'd call him tomorrow again and let him know what happened with cnc4pc
[15:58:40] <zeeshan> okay i will
[15:58:44] <XXCoder> hope it means it will arrive tomorrow
[15:58:59] <CaptHindsight> ask him to help, he gets lots of referrals from us
[15:59:53] <CaptHindsight> he heads back to China to check on qc a few times a year so he knows what it's like to get bad parts
[16:00:23] <zeeshan> i really wanna take it apart to see what blew
[16:00:28] <zeeshan> but that'll void the warranty :P
[16:01:21] <XXCoder> heh which is worth more, cursitity or money ;)
[16:01:37] <zeeshan> im not too curious lol
[16:01:41] <zeeshan> smps are too complicated for me
[16:01:47] <zeeshan> i rather have a toroidal supply
[16:01:58] <zeeshan> cause theyre much easier to fix since they're simpler
[16:02:52] <XXCoder> lol ok
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[16:16:40] <XXCoder> built in sucide
http://gaspull.geeksaresexytech.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/batman-table-1.jpg
[16:16:46] <XXCoder> or murder weapon lol
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[16:19:42] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[16:20:01] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: ultimately cnc4pc has the responsibility to honor the warranty
[16:20:45] <XXCoder> hey ich
[16:21:06] <CaptHindsight> all the boards I have from them came with machines and I'd consider them to be good for toys or proof of concepts, not even for a proto
[16:22:31] <IchGuckLive> CaptHindsight: this dependa only on opto chip quality
[16:23:01] <XXCoder> it does depend on what for I guess
[16:23:13] <XXCoder> it probably would be fine for "rerap" quality cnc
[16:23:19] <XXCoder> like mine
[16:24:00] <IchGuckLive> everything above TB6560 is good for you
[16:24:29] <zeeshan> i dunno their stepper and stepper drivers
[16:24:32] <zeeshan> seem to be working well
[16:24:37] <zeeshan> cnc4pc boards are working well too
[16:24:39] <CaptHindsight> I like the tb6560 boards for the birdsong :)
[16:25:06] <IchGuckLive> modified ones are good original is a nightmare
[16:26:18] <CaptHindsight> why do you suppose they just don't make the part value changes at the factory to improve step rate and lower noise and chatter?
[16:27:07] <CaptHindsight> they already own 765,347 pieces of the wrong value caps?
[16:27:18] <IchGuckLive> nema 17 or the micro steppers dont need this as the board is disigned for 45Deg 4S/rev steppers
[16:27:58] <IchGuckLive> the boards are not designed for the tb6560
[16:28:22] <IchGuckLive> the internal diod of the tb6560 is 100 times faster then the Fr304 onboard
[16:28:51] <IchGuckLive> pop all out and you gain 10 times speed
[16:29:21] <IchGuckLive> get UFD5404 in and you got 50V support and savty proof
[16:29:41] <CaptHindsight> so it's an old design just using the the newer Toshiba driver?
[16:30:07] <IchGuckLive> dont know what chip the design is for
[16:30:32] <IchGuckLive> the design is new but the conception is not from a electronic like our loetmichel
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[16:31:00] <IchGuckLive> why change if it is soled as fresh sliced bread
[16:31:19] <IchGuckLive> production cost below 5USD 3Axis sold at 10USD
[16:31:56] <IchGuckLive> so everyone in the shiping and selling row makes profit
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[16:59:11] <IchGuckLive> jmyer: hi how is the weather in Waterbury,Connecticut
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[17:15:38] <IchGuckLive> sliptonic: this has been a fastbreak !
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[17:26:02] <zq> zultron: hello, are you around?
[17:26:23] <zultron> Hi zq! Sorry I misread your patch.
[17:26:34] <zq> zultron: i have a better fix for mk's #199, but i can't figure out how to submit another commit
[17:26:39] <zultron> (I assume you're bryant.)
[17:26:42] <zq> should i just paste here?
[17:26:44] <zq> yes, i am
[17:27:02] <zultron> Please send another PR. Want help walking through it?
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[17:36:57] <zeeshan> 'The problem is that he is probably connecting the power supply directly to the driver and these power supplies need a buffer. You need to use capacitors to absorb the current coming from the motors. I always recommend customers using these power supplies to get the set of capacitors:
http://www.cnc4pc.com/Store/osc/product_info.php?cPath=27&products_id=613 '
[17:37:11] <zeeshan> apparently you cant connect a smps directly to a driver
[17:37:11] <zeeshan> wtf
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[17:48:57] <archivist> hehe
[17:49:09] <IchGuckLive> ;-)
[17:49:09] <XXCoder> thats how you blew one up?
[17:49:22] <zeeshan> apparently
[17:49:28] <zeeshan> im not sure how the other one hasnt blown up yet
[17:49:33] <archivist> bollocks
[17:50:29] <IchGuckLive> the meanwell got realy good backup cap
[17:52:26] <archivist> explain some consumer law and fitness for purpose
[17:52:57] <zeeshan> what kind of ghetto power supply is this
[17:53:00] <zeeshan> needs an external snubber circuit
[17:53:12] <zeeshan> and is being sold as a stepper power supply..
[17:53:33] <XXCoder> makes me wonder about my cheap power supply
[17:53:47] <archivist> you are being fobbed off, complain
[17:54:00] <IchGuckLive> XXCoder: you shoudt start with a meanwell
[17:54:02] <zeeshan> archivist: yea im not backing off!
[17:54:30] <XXCoder> ich I already has a kit you reffered me to :)
[17:54:34] <XXCoder> it orks well.
[17:54:42] <IchGuckLive> ;-)
[17:54:47] <XXCoder> still need few more parts though. ball screw kit finally shipped
[17:55:22] <IchGuckLive> so now a 20/25 pulley timingbelt and you are in business
[17:55:23] <XXCoder> still need zero backlash couplers, nema 23 mounts
[17:55:57] <IchGuckLive> 600 steps 5mm
[17:56:01] <IchGuckLive> 500
[17:56:13] <IchGuckLive> dark here at the keybpoard O.O
[17:56:18] <XXCoder> of course still need router and drill press lol (latter is to help me drill holes very stright)
[17:56:54] <IchGuckLive> straight drills are a big gifed
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[18:01:02] <zeeshan> yea
[18:01:13] <XXCoder> gifed?
[18:01:19] <zeeshan> look at this frigging 'c58' capicators snubber circuit
[18:01:19] <zeeshan> ROFL
[18:01:23] <zeeshan> it uses 80VDC caps
[18:01:30] <zeeshan> and its meant to handle a 72Vdc supply
[18:01:36] <zeeshan> very nice safety factor there
[18:01:37] <zeeshan> ..
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[18:01:59] <XXCoder> probably made to handle noise
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[18:02:07] <archivist> running caps close to limit is ok for electrolytics
[18:02:19] <zeeshan> if the back emf is more than 80vdc
[18:02:22] <zeeshan> they are toast
[18:02:34] <zeeshan> like from a stepper crashing into spindle
[18:02:37] <zeeshan> :P
[18:02:50] <archivist> nah they would be charging and hold it well below
[18:03:09] <zeeshan> sorry im used to mech stuff
[18:03:17] <zeeshan> if its a 100lb force, we design for at least 3 times!
[18:03:18] <zeeshan> :P
[18:03:21] <archivist> the charging current kills them :)
[18:03:47] <zeeshan> i'm not buying anything but steppers or stepper drivers from automation technologies again
[18:03:54] <zeeshan> theyre just a frigging retailer for cnc4pc
[18:04:15] <archivist> dunno who is who with that pair
[18:07:19] <IchGuckLive> zeeshan: my plasma got a 1200lbs YZ
[18:07:37] <zeeshan> IchGuckLive: i dont understand
[18:07:50] <IchGuckLive> at mema 23 movement
[18:08:01] <zeeshan> im sure its not direct drive
[18:08:01] <zeeshan> :P
[18:08:05] <XXCoder> language barrier is tough sometimes
[18:08:11] <IchGuckLive> 30:1
[18:08:16] <zeeshan> XXCoder: hehe
[18:08:24] <zeeshan> everytime IchGuckLive talks, im lost
[18:08:29] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/jApkUWQ.jpg
[18:08:30] <XXCoder> you menioned timing belt
[18:08:41] <zeeshan> guys, check this out
[18:08:42] <XXCoder> zeeshan: holy shit
[18:08:45] <zeeshan> see the controller box in the back?
[18:08:47] <XXCoder> is that same shop??
[18:08:51] <zeeshan> yea
[18:08:56] <zeeshan> where should i mount my controller box?
[18:08:57] <XXCoder> I remember firs pic. it was shitty
[18:08:58] <zeeshan> i have 2 spots for it
[18:09:08] <zeeshan> either above the power distribution panel
[18:09:09] <zeeshan> or
[18:09:17] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/BfubhRA.jpg
[18:09:19] <zeeshan> bottom left
[18:09:33] <XXCoder> your box has air intakes?
[18:09:36] <zeeshan> the thing i like about mounting it on top of the distro panel is itll be well away from chips
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[18:09:39] <zeeshan> XXCoder: yes it will
[18:09:49] <zeeshan> thatrs why im thinking of mounting it high
[18:09:50] <zeeshan> rather than low
[18:09:52] <XXCoder> well good factor to consider
[18:09:54] <IchGuckLive> zeeshan: the Leadshie are to close to etch other
[18:10:14] <zeeshan> IchGuckLive: theyre 1" apart
[18:10:26] <zeeshan> that box is a 24x24
[18:10:29] <zeeshan> or 30x30
[18:10:30] <zeeshan> i forget
[18:10:31] <IchGuckLive> http://foengarage.de/mesa_elek.jpg
[18:10:31] <zeeshan> its big
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[18:10:42] <zeeshan> IchGuckLive: those drives in your box
[18:10:45] <zeeshan> are twice the size of mine
[18:10:49] <IchGuckLive> i got a cooler in beetween
[18:10:58] <zeeshan> this are kl8070d
[18:10:59] <zeeshan> drives
[18:11:02] <zeeshan> '32' bit'
[18:11:16] <XXCoder> wonder if I could use power supply to power fans
[18:11:19] <zeeshan> they produce less heat
[18:11:23] <zeeshan> XXCoder: you can.
[18:11:32] <zeeshan> im tapping my fans off the 12V supply
[18:11:59] <XXCoder> cool. need to make sure they turn off when its unpowered. also need to get a method to turn it on and off besides plug and unplug lol
[18:12:16] <zeeshan> use an auxuillary disconnect switch
[18:12:20] <XXCoder> https://scontent-a-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1.0-9/q72/s720x720/1510923_430750957069813_7509386805377251206_n.jpg
[18:12:22] <zeeshan> the big red knob
[18:12:44] <zeeshan> i like your enclosure
[18:12:50] <zeeshan> looks very much like my first enclosure!
[18:12:51] <zeeshan> :D
[18:12:55] <XXCoder> advanced tech. can soda box.
[18:13:05] <zeeshan> mine was all resting in a motherboard box
[18:13:06] <zeeshan> haha
[18:13:20] <XXCoder> and box controller is in is ironically power box on side's orginial box
[18:13:36] <IchGuckLive> ok im off for Today zeeshan sorry for language issues
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[18:13:41] <zeeshan> IchGuckLive: its okay :D
[18:13:42] <XXCoder> have fun
[18:13:46] <zeeshan> i'm sure if i tried to speak german
[18:13:52] <zeeshan> you'd have issues understanding me :d
[18:13:58] <XXCoder> well my native language has NO written form
[18:14:02] <XXCoder> so i can't even try
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[18:14:42] <XXCoder> there was silly attempts to make ASL written form, it looks sorta like eyptian - picture icons
[18:14:44] <XXCoder> useless
[18:14:53] <zeeshan> lol
[18:14:55] <zeeshan> whats asl
[18:15:02] <zeeshan> sign language
[18:15:06] <zeeshan> you're deaf?
[18:15:06] <XXCoder> american sign language
[18:15:10] <XXCoder> yeah
[18:15:15] <zeeshan> i got a sign for ou!
[18:15:17] <zeeshan> 'middle finger'
[18:15:17] <zeeshan> :D
[18:15:24] <zeeshan> we speak the same language
[18:15:29] <XXCoder> lol
[18:15:34] <XXCoder> I got number for you
[18:15:53] <XXCoder> base 2 for number 4. two of em ;)
[18:15:54] <zeeshan> are you completely deaf
[18:16:30] <XXCoder> yeah which is apparently pretty rare. many has tiny trace of hearing left
[18:16:35] <zeeshan> yea
[18:16:38] <XXCoder> my bro and sis does has tiny left
[18:16:40] <zeeshan> so they can use a speaker in their ear
[18:16:41] <XXCoder> I dont
[18:16:48] <XXCoder> no not that much hearing
[18:16:51] <zeeshan> maybe you should make system
[18:17:00] <zeeshan> that vibrates sound waves against your skin
[18:17:02] <XXCoder> I mean, would need huge deciels just to hear
[18:17:06] <zeeshan> most sensitive part of your body
[18:17:08] <zeeshan> (not your dick)
[18:17:13] <XXCoder> I dont even with huge speaker right by me
[18:17:18] <zeeshan> but like your soft skin on the wrist
[18:17:22] <XXCoder> lol
[18:17:23] <zeeshan> and maybe you can train to intrepret it
[18:17:28] <zeeshan> the vibrations
[18:17:28] <XXCoder> nah
[18:17:42] <XXCoder> my brain never really grew its sound processing centers
[18:17:58] <XXCoder> I could learn but never will be very good
[18:18:23] <zeeshan> youre making a cnc router right
[18:18:29] <XXCoder> yeah
[18:18:43] <zeeshan> just be careful machining stuff
[18:19:08] <XXCoder> yeah
[18:19:10] <zeeshan> you could put a mic on your computer
[18:19:16] <zeeshan> to pick up high frequencies
[18:19:21] <zeeshan> and really low frequencies
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[18:19:25] <zeeshan> to know when shits going wrong!
[18:19:32] <zeeshan> infact, i think i should do that
[18:19:40] <zeeshan> that could be useful for remote machining ;p
[18:19:52] <XXCoder> I suppose I could. I dont think my ancient laptop has one so I'd have to buy one. ironic.
[18:20:13] <zeeshan> i can imagine sitting in my room
[18:20:17] <zeeshan> while the cnc program is running downstairs
[18:20:21] <zeeshan> i can watch movies and stuff
[18:20:25] <zeeshan> and monitor the audio signal
[18:20:28] <zeeshan> and camera
[18:20:35] <zeeshan> and remote e-stop :p
[18:20:39] <XXCoder> lol yep
[18:20:45] <XXCoder> kickstart it
[18:20:50] <zeeshan> hahah
[18:20:58] <XXCoder> if you earn enough get me aroun $2,000 lol
[18:21:10] <XXCoder> oh and one of those kit ;)
[18:21:33] <zeeshan> hehe
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[18:22:12] <zeeshan> this controller box weighs like
[18:22:20] <zeeshan> 50lb without any components
[18:22:25] <zeeshan> and about 100 with the components
[18:22:32] <zeeshan> gonna be a pain in the ass to mount it to the wall
[18:23:01] <XXCoder> well if you think of way to control swarf without filters you have to clean sometimes?
[18:23:17] <zeeshan> im not worried about swarf too much
[18:23:21] <XXCoder> ideally filters can be there but only cleaned once a long while
[18:23:21] <zeeshan> im worried about coolant
[18:23:28] <zeeshan> its a nema 1 box so its got no gaskets
[18:23:35] <XXCoder> ahh yes that can be a problem
[18:23:41] <zeeshan> and usually code says you gotta mount these guys at 4 feet from the floor
[18:23:42] <zeeshan> or s omething
[18:24:54] <zeeshan> ok time to mount this
[18:25:42] <XXCoder> http://cdn3.cubiclebot.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/15.gif?363b75
[18:30:59] <Tecan> hmmm
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[18:44:16] <Jymmm> archivist: "SCR Manual Fifth Edition, General Electric, 1972" PDF, interested?
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[18:55:14] <Jymmm> archivist: 118MB (compressed doens't help)
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[19:31:41] <archivist> Jymmm, I have the real thing SCR Manual GE General Electric 1961 2 ed
[19:33:05] <archivist> Jymmm, but am building a collection of pdfs from elsewhere
[19:36:21] <Jymmm> archivist: Dont have 1st Edition 1960 in pdf do ya?
[19:36:29] <archivist> no
[19:36:35] <Jymmm> bummer
[19:37:24] <Jymmm> archivist: Ok, thught I'd offer the 5th edition at least, I know you collect manuals =)
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[19:39:06] <archivist> I will be happy when PDF is a deprecated standard and there is something better
[19:39:52] <Jymmm> archivist: Heh, I doubt it ever will be, only alternative being PS
[19:40:08] <Jymmm> as a "single file" format that is
[19:40:30] <archivist> there are other container formats
[19:40:38] <Jymmm> such as?
[19:40:45] <archivist> tiff is one
[19:41:00] <Jymmm> More heavyweight than pdf
[19:41:36] <Jymmm> archivist: is it it's inability to index/search as text that you dont like?
[19:41:42] <Jymmm> (pdf that is)
[19:41:51] <archivist> nah look how quickly you can zoom and browse this
http://www.collection.archivist.info/diva/lucastp1.html
[19:43:00] <Jymmm> archivist: is that pdf or tiff?
[19:43:11] <archivist> and note that is coming up from my slow uplink :)
[19:43:30] <archivist> tiff with a special viewer
[19:43:40] <archivist> it has tiles
[19:44:24] <XXCoder> man
[19:44:26] <XXCoder> mowing sucks
[19:44:33] <Jymmm> Very nice, yes I did notice that actualy =)
[19:44:45] <archivist> weed killer gets rid of that problem
[19:44:52] <Jymmm> so does salt
[19:45:37] <Jymmm> salt DOES kill mint btw =)
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[19:46:02] <Jymmm> (at least for a few years =)
[19:46:05] <XXCoder> lol
[19:46:16] <XXCoder> I dont give a fig about yard conditionm
[19:46:21] <XXCoder> only keep it short
[19:46:35] <XXCoder> if landlord want better condition, do it themselves
[19:46:37] <Jymmm> I put down 1500 lbs of salt, very effective =)
[19:46:49] <XXCoder> that is effectivbely forever
[19:46:53] <XXCoder> you wont be able to grow
[19:47:02] <Jymmm> XXCoder: EXACTLY
[19:47:10] <XXCoder> if I own my own place
[19:47:14] <XXCoder> I would kill all grass
[19:47:23] <XXCoder> bury under rocks or concerete
[19:47:40] <Jymmm> Hey, how can you mix switching power supplies? Something about floating grounds?
[19:47:41] <XXCoder> with tiny areas assigned to either garden plants or tiny grass region
[19:48:41] <XXCoder> grass region small enough that I let it grow full height because I love look of tall grass
[19:49:24] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Grow wheat
[19:49:42] <XXCoder> nah dont like that
[19:49:45] <XXCoder> grass is better
[19:50:24] <XXCoder> bamboo even better, but would have to be TIGHTLY contained if runner type. clump too if its native limit is much bigger than area I assign it.
[19:52:51] <XXCoder> Just remember that if you ever want bamboo. You need to control it heavily. it can do lot of damage and are hard to get rid of if you dont
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[20:15:01] <NickParker> I found info on my speed controller. Name plate was hidden under a row of terminals.
[20:15:13] <NickParker> Todai electric Co DC motor control pack
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[20:15:46] <NickParker> pack type MOP-1500, 200V AC input, 12A output. Serial number 5209012
[20:15:58] <NickParker> I don't suppose anybody can magic up a circuit diagram or anything like that can they?
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[20:23:36] <NickParker> Ok Just found a document labelled characteristic of spindle. It says 1.5KW torque constant RPM 350-3500 armature rating: volts 170V amp 12A INS. Class B
[20:23:56] <NickParker> and then peak torque 200% because it's geared down half to the actual head.
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[20:26:28] <archivist> you could reverse engineer the diagram
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[20:35:42] <NickParker> I just found a diagram in the files kwallace gave me. For some reason they were opening with a custom pixel aspect ratio before that made them unreadable. Fixed that and now I have a diagram of the high power systems with a box labeled TLD for the speed controller.
[20:36:08] <NickParker> Should be able to figure out what's going on from all the nicely numbered wires.
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[20:48:17] <Deejay> gn8
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[22:30:07] <somenewguy> oh this isn't annoying, stupid network
[22:30:10] <somenewguy> oh this isn't annoying, stupid network
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[23:13:21] <uw> kick band
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[23:18:38] <somenewguy> ok now that I have a stable network connection
[23:18:58] <somenewguy> can anyone point out how to set the direction of travel for a wrapped 4th axis?
[23:19:27] <somenewguy> either from midi or a .ngc
[23:19:39] <XXCoder> now tend to be time when people go qyiet. unfortunately
[23:20:29] <cradek> I don't understand your question
[23:20:40] <somenewguy> if my A axis is at 10 deg
[23:20:57] <somenewguy> and I want it to travel to 0deg, how do I get it to do that in 10 deg of travel, not 350
[23:21:10] <cradek> g0 a-0
[23:21:25] <cradek> - means go the negative direction; 0 means stop at 0
[23:21:30] <somenewguy> so the sign of the angle tells it how to get there?
[23:21:37] <cradek> exactly
[23:21:59] <somenewguy> ok thank you, I tried negative feedrates (fail!) and ran out of ideas
[23:22:20] <cradek> where did you try looking in the docs? this must not be in the right place.
[23:22:45] <somenewguy> I looked in the manual, jumping around sections that sounded reasonable, but its all mostly overview
[23:22:58] <somenewguy> and the gcode reference on the wiki doesn't touch on 4th axis
[23:23:05] <somenewguy> manual == pdf
[23:26:03] <somenewguy> I know I have seen info on it in a tutorial somewhere, but I couldn't find it, and my shop connection is dropping every 10 seconds for some reason so I couldn't look too much anyways
[23:26:20] <somenewguy> did I miss the info or is it not there?
[23:26:47] <cradek> I don't see it either, although I bet it's somewhere :-/
[23:28:46] <somenewguy> ok here is what I remember seeing a few weeks ago when I was setting up my 4th axis for hte first time
[23:28:48] <somenewguy> http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/38-general-linuxcnc-questions/17804-4th-axis-rotation-angle-limit-problem
[23:29:03] <somenewguy> where the claim is made the wiki is wrong, which is encouraging...
[23:30:58] <cradek> sometimes the wiki is used for "I think someone oughta implement THIS:" which later can be mistaken for documentation, unfortunately
[23:31:09] <somenewguy> haha yeah
[23:31:20] <somenewguy> actually the wrapped rotary one is the clearest one I have ever seen
[23:31:36] <cradek> well "spec (draft)" should be a hint here
[23:31:37] <somenewguy> however it hasn't been edited since 09, and is half questions and suggestions so thats splendid
[23:31:43] <somenewguy> yeah
[23:31:50] <somenewguy> I just wish all the wiki was written this clearly
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[23:32:53] <somenewguy> on the bright side, I finally got virtual machines working for me, so I have linuxCNC running on my real pc for the first time
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[23:33:13] <somenewguy> no more relying on my overheating laptop to tweak code, or my P4 out in the shop lol
[23:36:14] <cradek> somenewguy: I updated
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?WrappedRotaryAxes - please check to make sure I got everything right
[23:36:17] <cradek> (and fix if not)
[23:36:18] <cradek> bbl
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[23:42:42] <somenewguy> +cradek, will do, I'll be back out in the shop in a couple hours, I'll let you know what my experience is
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