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[00:03:34] <Tom_itx> or tips on how to diagnose..
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[00:45:45] <CaptHindsight> Tom_itx: wired or wireless?
[00:46:16] <CaptHindsight> isn't there a connection manager in 10.04?
[00:47:52] <Tom_itx> wired
[00:47:58] <Tom_itx> it's a software problem
[00:48:06] <Tom_itx> but i can't seem to figure it out
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[00:48:27] <Tom_itx> ifconfig shows eth0 but no ip on it
[00:48:42] <Tom_itx> wiring is good, tried different cables etc
[00:49:29] <Tom_itx> it says the cable is disconnected but it isn't
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[00:49:46] <Tom_itx> and now the icon for networking is gone at the top right status bar
[00:50:10] <Tom_itx> some stupid gui thing is borked i bet
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[00:50:45] <_methods> you hit it with a sudo service networking restart?
[00:50:46] <Tom_itx> i even tried entering a manual ip with no luck
[00:50:57] <Tom_itx> not yet, i'll try that
[00:51:05] <CaptHindsight> ubuntu broke ifconfig
[00:51:23] <CaptHindsight> I'm just glad when the connection manager works
[00:51:28] <_methods> it probably won't work but it's worth a shot
[00:52:17] <Tom_itx> unknown instance
[00:52:24] <Tom_itx> it's not running apparently
[00:52:46] <PetefromTn_> Damn we are getting some NASTY storms here right now..
[00:53:14] <_methods> service --status-all
[00:53:21] <_methods> is networking there?
[00:53:33] <PetefromTn_> My friend who lives a couple miles over has some hail and it is DARK and menacing looking right now LOL
[00:54:32] <Tom_itx> _methods, there's a question mark beside it
[00:54:47] <Tom_itx> network-interface
[00:54:50] <PetefromTn_> what are we talking about here?
[00:54:54] <Tom_itx> network-manager
[00:55:00] <Tom_itx> networking
[00:55:11] <Tom_itx> all [ ? ]
[00:55:35] <CaptHindsight> i think ubuntu has some secret cache for the network config that gets borked
[00:56:05] <PetefromTn_> define borked...
[00:56:11] <Tom_itx> not working
[00:56:18] <PetefromTn_> aah
[00:56:55] <CaptHindsight> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=borked
[00:57:54] <PetefromTn_> HEY that is what happened to my machine when I smoked those boards!!
[00:57:55] <_methods> the ? means it's started by upstart
[00:57:58] <Tom_itx> i can use thumbdrive networking but i'd rather not
[00:58:09] <PetefromTn_> sneakernet.
[00:58:10] <_methods> sudo initctl list
[00:58:23] <_methods> will show upstart service status i believe
[00:58:28] <CaptHindsight> I wish uninstalling the app would remove every trace of it
[00:59:25] <Tom_itx> _methods says networking is running
[00:59:43] <_methods> k so it is running
[00:59:53] <Tom_itx> network manager process 771
[00:59:58] <_methods> now just gotta figure out why it's not geting an ip address
[01:00:14] <Tom_itx> network interface eth0 running also
[01:00:18] <_methods> not sure why restart didnt work
[01:00:50] <Tom_itx> networking start/waiting
[01:01:34] <_methods> maybe sudo service network-manager restart
[01:01:43] <_methods> if that's what's makin the problems
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[01:03:37] <_methods> wireless is always an adventure with linux for some reason
[01:03:46] <_methods> it's gotten way better though the last few years
[01:04:10] <Tom_itx> that brought back the icon at the top
[01:04:15] <Tom_itx> but no joy
[01:04:18] <_methods> damn
[01:04:36] <Tom_itx> says wired network device not managed
[01:04:47] <Tom_itx> i did enter some manual things in interfaces though
[01:04:51] <Tom_itx> i can remove them
[01:05:02] <_methods> what did you change?
[01:05:19] <Tom_itx> auto eth0
[01:05:37] <_methods> well you're tryin to get your wifi up right?
[01:06:12] <Tom_itx> no, hardwired
[01:06:41] <_methods> oh shit ok
[01:06:47] <_methods> well that's usually easier to fix
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[01:08:35] <_methods> did you do ifdown eth0
[01:08:40] <_methods> then ifup eth0
[01:09:23] <XXCoder1> hry sll
[01:09:33] <_methods> sudo ifdown eth0 && sudo ifup eth0
[01:09:50] <Tom_itx> just a sec, it's rebooting
[01:10:10] <_methods> ah
[01:10:28] <_methods> well rebooting is better than what i just said lol
[01:10:44] <Tom_itx> i tried that anyway earlier
[01:10:47] <_methods> yeah
[01:10:55] <_methods> damn wonder if your card is dead
[01:11:06] <Tom_itx> shouldn't be
[01:11:19] <Tom_itx> it's lit up on the switch
[01:11:19] <_methods> what happened to make it go out?
[01:11:26] <Tom_itx> no idea
[01:11:42] <Tom_itx> shut down one day and next time i booted it wouldn't connect
[01:11:52] <Tom_itx> i did make some router changes inbetween
[01:11:56] <Tom_itx> but nothing that would cause that
[01:12:12] <_methods> you dind't do any mac filtering or anything did you'
[01:12:56] <_methods> no make any changes to the dhcp server?
[01:13:10] <Tom_itx> no
[01:13:49] <_methods> only thing i can think of at this point is to wireshark it and see what's goin on that way
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[01:14:00] <_methods> see what's goin on with the dhcp requests
[01:14:11] <_methods> are you using dhcp?
[01:14:40] <Tom_itx> yes
[01:15:04] <Tom_itx> i'm gonna sit on it tonight i think. my head's killin me
[01:15:19] <_methods> usually best lol
[01:15:24] <skunkworks_> I have had linksys routers stop communicating with ubuntu machines.. (rebooting them fixed it)
[01:15:33] <Tom_itx> gotta get wireshark on the box first
[01:15:36] <skunkworks_> (rebooting linksys routers)
[01:16:18] <Tom_itx> skunkworks_ this is an ubiquiti edgemax router
[01:16:32] <_methods> nice
[01:16:37] <_methods> i love my ubiquiti
[01:16:38] <Tom_itx> and i've tried rebooting it as well
[01:16:44] <Tom_itx> i have their wifi too
[01:16:48] <Tom_itx> like it as well
[01:16:48] <_methods> yeah me too
[01:16:53] <_methods> i got unifi ap pro
[01:17:01] <Tom_itx> no pro here
[01:17:03] <_methods> i kill all my neighbors lol
[01:17:08] <Tom_itx> yep
[01:17:10] <_methods> i crush all their signals
[01:17:25] <Tom_itx> that's why i got it because of too much local traffic
[01:17:27] <_methods> i have one at 1 and another at 11
[01:17:42] <Tom_itx> do you have an edgemax?
[01:17:45] <_methods> the rest of the neighborhood has to squeezin the middle
[01:17:53] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: why not plug a ether in and get wireshark installed
[01:17:54] <_methods> nah i have 2 ap pro's
[01:18:02] <_methods> he's got it wired
[01:18:10] <Tom_itx> Jymmm how's that gonna work out you ninny
[01:18:29] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: OSI biotch!
[01:18:29] <Tom_itx> eth0 is wired
[01:18:34] <XXCoder1> _methods: mke you house a faraday cage
[01:18:39] <XXCoder1> no mroe outside inference
[01:18:41] <_methods> heheh good idea
[01:18:48] <_methods> my HOA would love that
[01:18:48] <XXCoder1> but then you cant take device outside and expect it to work
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[01:19:01] <_methods> plz ignore the metal cage over my house lol
[01:19:02] <XXCoder1> well with network*
[01:20:05] <Tom_itx> i did an ip scan the the other day and found a fed wifi in the neighborhood
[01:21:03] <XXCoder1> cage? why?
[01:21:07] <XXCoder1> just use alum foil
[01:21:11] <_methods> heheh
[01:21:19] <XXCoder1> you gonna use something for windows :P
[01:21:40] <XXCoder1> coat inside (ones that connects to outside) with foil, paint over em
[01:21:44] <XXCoder1> looks awesome I guess? lol
[01:21:52] <XXCoder1> you gonna cover floor and ceiling too lol
[01:22:38] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Once you get wirehsark installed, you dicount eth0 and bring up wifi and start looking at everythng. from phy all the way up to app layer
[01:23:32] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: what wifi card/chipset you using?
[01:23:56] <_methods> did you try sudo dhclient?
[01:24:17] <_methods> well hell nm you rebooted it should have done that
[01:24:34] <_methods> i have no idea what you have goin on without a wireshark dump
[01:24:35] <Jymmm> And why does ubuntu have so much trouble with wifi, when every othrer debian based distro doens't
[01:25:11] <Tom_itx> Jymmm, i'm not using wifi on this
[01:25:11] <Jymmm> Hell, knoppix does a better job much of the time
[01:26:40] <Tom_itx> i'll try to get wireshark loaded on it
[01:26:50] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Ah, my mistake. how in the heck did you muck up eth0?
[01:26:57] <Tom_itx> no clue
[01:27:09] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: do you have a 10.04 livecd you could boot from?
[01:27:14] <Tom_itx> sure
[01:27:31] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: try it as a test and see if you have eth0
[01:27:41] <Jymmm> w/o and manual config that is
[01:28:54] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: If it works, then you can dump it's config and compare it to your installed version
[01:28:58] <Tom_itx> what do you push when the cd comes up?
[01:29:10] <Tom_itx> i had to do something to get it to work right but i forgot what
[01:29:20] <Jymmm> F2 ?
[01:29:23] <Jymmm> F10?
[01:29:25] <Jymmm> F12
[01:29:26] <Tom_itx> or i could just reinstall from the live cd
[01:29:31] <Jymmm> to boot to other device
[01:29:38] <XXCoder1> surifcate to gods of linux?
[01:29:43] <Jymmm> No, doent reinstall, you might hav ethe same issue again
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[01:30:24] <Jymmm> If the LiveCd works, then you eliminate hardware probelm
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[01:32:44] <Jymmm> YAY! My BNC-F to banana scre terminals are on their way!!!
[01:34:43] <jp_mill> Ah finally fixed my stepper stall problem!!!
[01:34:44] <jdh> banana screw terminals?
[01:34:49] <jdh> loose wire?
[01:35:15] <jp_mill> series vs parallel
[01:35:45] <Tom_itx> Jymmm, auto eth0 connection established
[01:35:48] <Jymmm> jdh: http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/1452/501-1122-ND/604317
[01:35:51] <jdh> that would do it.
[01:35:53] <Tom_itx> not a hardware issue
[01:36:09] <Tom_itx> but i sorta knew that already
[01:36:19] <jdh> there are bananas inside those posts?
[01:36:43] <Jymmm> jdh: and coconuts too... pina colada time!
[01:36:55] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Not 100% you didn't =)
[01:37:08] <Tom_itx> sure i did
[01:37:09] <skunkworks_> I was thinking the opposite bnc-f.. think we have a ton of those..
[01:37:13] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: HW failiures happen al the time, never assume
[01:37:25] <jdh> I have the other side BNC with bananas
[01:37:28] <skunkworks_> heh - bnc-m
[01:37:36] <Tom_itx> now, where do i get wireshark for linux
[01:37:50] <Tom_itx> i'll have to put it on a thumbdrive
[01:37:51] <Jymmm> sudo apt-get install wireshark
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[01:37:57] <Tom_itx> duh
[01:38:07] <Tom_itx> how's that gonna happen?
[01:38:43] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: right now you look at the net config and compare it to your fubar'ed one
[01:38:50] <Jymmm> mount the hdd
[01:39:03] <Tom_itx> already shut it down
[01:39:32] <Jymmm> Tom_itx I told you to compare it earlier... DUH
[01:39:49] <Jymmm> alright, I'm off to the store
[01:42:00] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: you only need wirehsark if you have intermittant issues. Right not it's purely a config issue that you need to compare to a known good (livecd) with yours
[01:42:23] <Tom_itx> what files should i be looking at?
[01:43:42] <jp_mill> when homing to a limit sw, the DRO should zero out on that axis to whatever the home value is in the ini correct?
[01:48:41] <PetefromTn_> Depends I think there is a couple different Home options.
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[01:49:15] <PetefromTn_> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/config/ini_homing.html
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[01:56:58] <Valen00> ey PCW you about?
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[02:53:30] <pcw_home> Yeah
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[04:15:28] <zeeshan> is it true you need phase a and phase b
[04:15:33] <zeeshan> to be able to tap on a lathe?
[04:15:56] <zeeshan> or can you get away with index and phase a
[04:16:43] <cradek> to tap you must have a and b, otherwise the reversal can't be measured and followed
[04:17:10] <zeeshan> so basically i need a wheel with 2 different markeings 90 degrees apart
[04:17:20] <zeeshan> 2 different markings sets i mean
[04:17:31] <cradek> no, you need two sensors 90 degrees apart -- i.e. an encoder
[04:17:57] <zeeshan> ah that'll be harder to do
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[04:18:00] <zeeshan> will need a fancy bracket
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[04:51:35] <NickParker|2> My mill can now thump around accurately using linuxcnc :)
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[06:42:42] <Deejay> moin
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[11:27:29] <eneuro> Hello, I've made custom kinematics component to my CNC machine and detailed description is there: http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/49-basic-configuration/27846-cartesian-g-code-to-cylindrical-machine-coordinate?start=10#47174 instelled it under LinuxCNC 2.5.4 http://s5.postimg.org/ythxvbpev/eneurokins_make_ins.png and rwas able to load using halrun http://s5.postimg.org/waw8un3on/eneurokins_halrun_halmeter.png but how to enable it in linux
[11:27:30] <eneuro> cnc axis MDI mode for G0/G1/G2/G3 g-code?
[11:28:04] <eneuro> Any ideas helpfull while this i smy first LinuxCNC machine ;)
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[11:54:13] <Tom_itx> Jymmm, i tried again with my backup SSD and eth0 still wouldn't connect so i added a card and tried on eth1 with the same SSD and also the regular hdd with the same results. It says it's disconnected.
[11:54:42] <Tom_itx> i know it's not. I tried different cables and different ports on the switch with both lan cards.
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[11:54:55] <Tom_itx> this pc is wired to the same switch.
[11:54:58] <Tom_itx> it works.
[11:55:38] <Tom_itx> maybe i need to expand the dhcp pool on the router?
[11:55:48] <Tom_itx> that's the only thing i can think of
[11:57:05] <Jymmm> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1542852
[11:59:18] <Tom_itx> that command returns the ethernet data
[11:59:27] <Tom_itx> serial, card interface info etc
[11:59:55] <Jymmm> codepad.org
[12:00:10] <Tom_itx> i'll work on it after work
[12:00:19] <Tom_itx> just had a quick min here to test it
[12:00:35] <Jymmm> just pastebin the results of that command
[12:01:06] <Tom_itx> the lshw -C one?
[12:01:23] <Jymmm> yes
[12:03:58] <Tom_itx> http://paste.debian.net/101394/
[12:04:31] <Tom_itx> 1st one is the MB 2nd one is the addin card i think
[12:07:31] <Jymmm> Did you follow the rest of that post?
[12:07:41] <Tom_itx> not yet, no time
[12:07:46] <Jymmm> k
[12:07:48] <Tom_itx> working on paperwork then leaving
[12:08:07] <Tom_itx> i've left it open for later though
[12:11:03] <Tom_itx> service networking status says networking stop/waiting which indicates it is running
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[12:12:03] <Tom_itx> Jymmm, all the commands in the post indicate it is running
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[12:12:25] <Tom_itx> i'll increase the dhcp pool on the router later
[12:12:49] <Tom_itx> i didn't stop to count devices but it could be getting full
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[12:13:36] <Tom_itx> could be because i added 2 wifi (phones) to the mix
[12:13:43] <Tom_itx> seems to be when the issue started
[12:14:17] <Tom_itx> and the ubuntu pc doesn't run 24/7
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[12:20:04] <Jymmm> wifi phones? which ones?
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[13:13:04] <_methods> yeah i was gonna ask you if you filled your dhcp slots
[13:13:09] <_methods> i fell asleep last night
[13:14:49] <_methods> look at what this lunatic did
[13:14:51] <_methods> http://www.instructables.com/id/Raspberry-Pi-Alamode-CNC-Controller/?ALLSTEPS
[13:14:56] <_methods> nothing compared to the pipe cnc
[13:21:12] <CaptHindsight> _methods: the very last sentence: "Let me know what might have done differently. Maybe I will make another one."
[13:26:34] <Jymmm> _methods you'll love this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLIo7TA82xE
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[13:29:15] <_methods> hahah omg
[13:30:15] <_methods> interface doesn't work..........lol
[13:30:21] <_methods> i'm suprised
[13:30:33] <Jymmm> It does, just a wifi snafu
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[13:31:04] <Jymmm> THAT video has no audio, but another one does and he just screwed up the network is all
[13:31:10] <_methods> ah
[13:32:31] <_methods> it seems to draw letters ok lol
[13:32:41] <Jymmm> http://code.google.com/p/miniemc2/
[13:33:19] <Jymmm> http://miniemc2.blogspot.com/
[13:33:31] <CaptHindsight> wasn't this the inspiration for the BBB + linuxcnc?
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[13:35:36] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: that proj dated july 2012, when did BBB start?
[13:35:54] <_methods> http://www.firebox.com/product/6481/Monkey-Brains-Bowl
[13:36:35] <Jymmm> _methods: WTF?! You can grey colored hot glue gun that! Eeeeesh
[13:36:55] <_methods> hahah
[13:37:04] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: I thought miniemc2 goes back a bit further
[13:37:30] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: no idea, just going off that blog date
[13:37:53] <CaptHindsight> http://777.lg.ua/
[13:38:19] <Jymmm> http://code.google.com/p/miniemc2/w/list
[13:38:27] <_methods> so much russian lol
[13:38:32] <Jymmm> Nov 2011'ish
[13:39:59] <Jymmm> _methods: The thing I DO like is you can use a tablet as a remote terminal for it; use on an ad hoc network with some type of security and may not be a bad idea for other applications.
[13:40:04] <_methods> yeah
[13:40:15] <_methods> that is kinda spiffy
[13:40:17] <Jymmm> Ordinace disposal
[13:40:34] <Jymmm> toxic chemical smapling, etc
[13:40:41] <_methods> yeah wifi estop.......... not so much
[13:40:57] <Jymmm> Well, that's where the security comes in =)
[13:41:14] <_methods> when i hit estop its for a reason
[13:41:17] <Jymmm> same as remote explosives detonator
[13:41:24] <_methods> i want to make sure that signal gets there lol
[13:41:39] <Jymmm> If signal is lost/low = take counter measures.
[13:42:05] <Jymmm> Maybe change screen background color to indicate to operator
[13:42:19] <_methods> i'm thinkin about getting one of those nvidia grid cards
[13:42:25] <Jymmm> something blantantly obvious
[13:42:38] <Jymmm> grid card?
[13:42:43] <_methods> yeah
[13:42:45] <Jymmm> chessboard?
[13:42:48] <_methods> http://www.nvidia.com/object/grid-boards.html
[13:42:53] <_methods> virtualized gpu's
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[13:45:13] <Jymmm> Ha! Then only thing I need is another 12GB of ram and I should be "okey" for a while, I'm at 80% now with 20GB
[13:45:31] <_methods> would be nice to use mastercam and solidworks at my linuxcnc box
[13:46:24] <Jymmm> under W7 or XP ?
[13:46:36] <_methods> win7 i'm guessing
[13:46:59] <Jymmm> what are you rnning SW on now?
[13:47:03] <_methods> win7
[13:47:07] <Jymmm> k
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[13:48:08] <Jymmm> Gawd I hate FF anymore... taking 5GB ram
[13:48:18] <_methods> yeah that shit is gettin out of hand
[13:48:26] <CaptHindsight> that web interface makes me scared to think of what the kids at Apple or Google would do to a cnc UI
[13:48:30] <_methods> bout time to go iceweasel
[13:48:56] <Jymmm> _methods: Eh, it's OSX
[13:49:04] <_methods> ah
[13:49:07] <_methods> safari lol
[13:49:16] <Jymmm> Oh gawd, not that shit
[13:49:25] <_methods> iz apple iz gud
[13:49:28] <Jymmm> Nor the chrome shit either
[13:49:40] <_methods> lynx
[13:49:49] <Jymmm> safari is as secure as IE
[13:49:50] <_methods> surf like a man
[13:50:13] <Jymmm> lynx?! You pussy.... telnet 80
[13:50:16] <_methods> hahah
[13:50:36] <Jymmm> I've irc'ed via telnet before
[13:50:53] <_methods> that's boss
[13:50:57] <Jymmm> snet email via telnet too
[13:51:00] <_methods> i can honestly say i've never done that
[13:51:09] <_methods> i have sent email telnet
[13:51:13] <_methods> just to test shit
[13:51:17] <Jymmm> It's not something you do for very long though =)
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[13:51:42] <Jymmm> scrolls off the screen quickly in a crowded channel
[13:52:25] <Jymmm> Frys has Wagan FRED's on sale this week for $7
[13:52:26] <_methods> maybe i wont' get a grid yet looks like i may need to get a special grid vca for solidworks
[13:53:12] <Jymmm> Using what? Vbox?
[13:53:36] <_methods> nah it looks like they built a special box with nvidia
[13:53:42] <_methods> called a grid vca
[13:54:00] <Jymmm> I mean which virtual manager?
[13:54:05] <_methods> http://www.nvidia.com/content/vca/NV_GRID_VCA_DataSheet_HR.pdf
[13:54:21] <_methods> oh xen, vmware, or that windows one it hink
[13:54:37] <Jymmm> M$ one on linux?
[13:54:50] <_methods> no the microsft hypervisor
[13:55:02] <_methods> i can never remeber what it's called
[13:55:04] <Jymmm> Running on linux?
[13:55:04] <_methods> hyper-v
[13:55:15] <_methods> what running on linux?
[13:55:22] <_methods> i think your workstations can run whatever
[13:55:35] <Jymmm> You said you wanted to run solidworks on linux
[13:55:39] <_methods> oh yeah
[13:55:43] <Jymmm> DUH
[13:55:45] <_methods> yeah linux workstation
[13:55:47] <Jymmm> ;)
[13:56:03] <Jymmm> and I asked... M$ hypervisor on linx???
[13:56:16] <Jymmm> linux*
[13:56:26] <_methods> well i think on the VCA you can run one of those 3
[13:56:32] <_methods> then you run whatever on the clients
[13:57:26] <Jymmm> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyper-V#System_requirements
[13:58:01] <Jymmm> "Hyper-V is only supported on x86-64 variants of Windows."
[13:58:08] <_methods> its not even bare metal?
[13:58:15] <Jymmm> but you can have whatever as guests
[13:58:27] <_methods> hyper-v server is bare metal
[13:58:28] <Jymmm> hahaha, fuck no =)
[13:58:34] <_methods> read down
[13:59:05] <_methods> i've never actually setup hyperv before
[13:59:13] <_methods> it's always been a bit of joke
[13:59:22] <Jymmm> Microsoft Hyper-V server is built with components of Windows and has a Windows Server Core user experience.
[13:59:32] <Jymmm> It's not a Type 1 hypervisor
[13:59:44] <_methods> yeah one of the many reasons i've never used it
[14:00:08] <_methods> xen and vmware are the only 2 i've ever run
[14:00:18] <Jymmm> vmware what?
[14:00:23] <_methods> esxi
[14:00:33] <Jymmm> vmware is a company not a product =)
[14:00:36] <Jymmm> ah, ok
[14:00:38] <_methods> yeah
[14:00:39] <_methods> sorry
[14:00:48] <_methods> used to speaking to non vm people
[14:01:05] <_methods> i just say vmware and leave it at that lol
[14:01:20] <_methods> and besides the way vmware changes all their product names.......
[14:01:20] <Jymmm> I dont have the HW to run ESXi, but we ran it on the servers at corp and DC
[14:01:40] <_methods> its nice i like it because it's free and plays well with others
[14:01:49] <_methods> i've had issues with xen and windows vm's
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[14:01:54] <Jymmm> how did you interface/control it?
[14:02:03] <_methods> the clien
[14:02:09] <Jymmm> which one?
[14:02:15] <_methods> vmwaare infrastructure client
[14:02:26] <Jymmm> the one that requires IE ?
[14:02:32] <_methods> nah
[14:02:37] <_methods> it's a standalone program
[14:02:44] <Jymmm> you bought it?
[14:02:48] <_methods> no
[14:02:51] <_methods> it's free
[14:03:13] <_methods> esxi 5
[14:03:16] <_methods> not the new one
[14:03:21] <_methods> i think this new one is a web app
[14:03:27] <_methods> or something like that
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[14:03:36] <Jymmm> Ah, the last time I looked it was ESXi 4
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[14:03:54] <_methods> yeah esxi was standalone client too
[14:03:55] <_methods> and free
[14:03:56] <Jymmm> all you had was jack shit
[14:04:07] <_methods> well.......they make it so it's hard to find the free shit
[14:04:14] <_methods> and it's only free for one physical cpu
[14:04:19] <Jymmm> and zero for docs
[14:04:27] <_methods> yeah their docs are lose
[14:04:29] <Jymmm> esxxxi is?
[14:04:37] <Jymmm> esxi = 1 cup?
[14:04:39] <_methods> yeah
[14:04:40] <Jymmm> cpu
[14:04:43] <_methods> 1 physical
[14:04:50] <_methods> so you get as many cores as you can lol
[14:04:52] <Jymmm> Eh, that's ok
[14:04:56] <_methods> nice octo core is win
[14:05:06] <_methods> amd is win for free esxi boxes
[14:05:21] <Jymmm> Well, I've had this idea for a VERY long time....
[14:05:51] <Jymmm> What I have ALWAYS hated abut workstations/laptops is the bare metal OS....
[14:06:17] <Jymmm> install the os, drivers, updates, apps, ....
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[14:06:25] <Jymmm> etc, such a pina
[14:06:30] <Jymmm> PITA
[14:06:42] <_methods> yeah
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[14:06:54] <Jymmm> But, if you had a laptop with a hypervisor (non bare metal) and
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[14:07:06] <_methods> well i think that's why you're seeing a sort of resurgence in teh thin client stuff
[14:07:18] <Jymmm> just use the phy HDD to store the VM's, then you let the laptop boot/run the VM
[14:07:31] <Jymmm> then you get the benefits of snapshots, and restores
[14:07:37] <_methods> yeah
[14:07:49] <_methods> a minimal os that lets you run vm's
[14:07:49] <Jymmm> virus/malware? no problem
[14:07:54] <_methods> like a bare metal
[14:08:05] <_methods> and desktop lol
[14:08:06] <Jymmm> No, not plural, singlaur
[14:08:25] <Jymmm> the "VM" aspect wouldn't be visible to the user
[14:08:30] <_methods> i agree i'm not sure why no one has done this yet
[14:08:54] <Jymmm> Dell server have embedded esxi already
[14:09:07] <Jymmm> it's only iirc 32MB
[14:09:11] <Jymmm> maybe 64MB
[14:09:20] <Jymmm> easily fit on a USB stick
[14:09:32] <_methods> yeah i run mine on a cf card
[14:09:43] <Jymmm> setup bios to boot from usb stick, it load/sruns a VM
[14:10:33] <Jymmm> Setup the laptop to PXE boot for remote management and snapshot/restore/or wipe and install as needed.
[14:10:40] <_methods> yeah
[14:11:06] <Jymmm> even have a "virgin" VM as a backup already on the hdd too
[14:11:28] <Jymmm> snapshot it, add user info, deploy
[14:11:47] <Jymmm> done in 20 minutes
[14:12:35] <Jymmm> turn the laptop in, wipe user's VM, and ready for the next victim
[14:12:39] <_methods> yeah i guess it's kinda like linux on a usb lol
[14:12:55] <_methods> just drop in a sata ssd
[14:13:21] <Jymmm> yeah could do that. install a usb stick internally on the USB buss
[14:17:08] <Jymmm> Ok I lied, the FRED's are n sale for $7.49
[14:17:29] <Jymmm> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjEI_DjnDKM
[14:18:27] <_methods> ah those are cool
[14:19:49] <Jymmm> bicycling, motorcycle, too
[14:28:18] <Jymmm> I think it be great for changing a tire at night
[14:28:50] <Jymmm> or even have near the front door of the house for EMS to find you easier
[14:29:10] <Jymmm> or drive way if you are having a party/event
[14:30:29] <Jymmm> or shove in a disposable aluminum cooking container for a yard sale mounted on side
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[14:31:32] <Jymmm> like a pie tin for the added reflector
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[14:32:18] <Jymmm> or one of these http://startcooking.com/public/IMG_0770.jpg
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[16:23:01] <PetefromTn_> Morning folks.
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[16:28:48] <SpeedEvil> Evening.
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[16:34:06] <Connor> PetefromTn_: PMed you
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[16:40:45] <Connor> I hate waiting for the brown truck or postman.. Something was suppose to have been delivered yesterday via USPS, and the tracking said it was.. but, I have a feeling it was scanned at the post office and will arrive today.
[16:40:45] <Connor> at least, I hope it does.
[16:40:51] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[16:41:22] <IchGuckLive> Connor: therefor in germany are nice ladys that store them in town
[16:43:10] <IchGuckLive> Folks i got a simple stupid question youtube did mail me my mail storige is reatched WHERE the hell are this youtube mails located i see only the vid manager in the dropdown no mail
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[16:43:49] <IchGuckLive> i even dident know that i got a youtube mail at all
[16:44:03] <Connor> You sure it wasn't spam ?
[16:44:30] <IchGuckLive> no it is clear from youtube google advice
[16:45:35] <Connor> That's strange.
[16:46:11] <Connor> https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/174100?hl=en
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[16:47:01] <IchGuckLive> How to find my YouTube mailbox
[16:47:38] <Connor> https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/youtube/KbUaEmPvqGE
[16:47:38] <IchGuckLive> I have a hard time finding my mailbox on YouTube. I eventually find it if I keep trying and searching O.O
[16:49:01] <Connor> https://www.youtube.com/inbox
[16:49:06] <Connor> there it is.. after you login
[16:50:14] <IchGuckLive> Whoooh 10047 mails inside delete Needed!
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[16:50:55] <IchGuckLive> Mad somany asks on linuxcnc heeks
[16:51:31] <IchGuckLive> XYUV Airfoil since 3 years
[16:54:46] <IchGuckLive> thanks Connor this shoudt be somwhere on the mainlog not in the deep tunnels of google
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[16:56:08] <Tom_itx> Jymmm, the phones connect to the wifi when they're in range
[16:58:23] <IchGuckLive> Tom_itx: that is my projekt now to get the tractors connecting via wifi android as they retch a Georectancle
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[17:04:23] <Tom_itx> IchGuckLive, the issue is my linuxcnc box is having trouble connecting to the network
[17:04:54] <IchGuckLive> im on 10.04 androidstudio
[17:05:07] <IchGuckLive> and for the data flow i use a android FTP
[17:05:25] <Tom_itx> androidstudio?
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[17:05:53] <IchGuckLive> the android developers tool like eclipse for win
[17:05:57] <Tom_itx> oh
[17:06:02] <Tom_itx> i looked at that briefly
[17:06:08] <Tom_itx> haven't downloaded it yet
[17:06:10] <IchGuckLive> its great
[17:06:24] <Tom_itx> haven't done any arm/android programming yet
[17:06:29] <IchGuckLive> it gives you 10times the prog speed then eclipse
[17:06:45] <IchGuckLive> ALT enter does autogenerate all the things
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[17:07:36] <IchGuckLive> if i hat that kind of help in the backdays i woudt have been OOp progger not a g-code CAD man
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[17:08:12] <IchGuckLive> Tom_itx: i debug all direct on the device not on the pc itself
[17:08:22] <Tom_itx> the router says i have 11 leased and 24 available so that shouldn't be the problem
[17:08:40] <Tom_itx> IchGuckLive, which phone?
[17:08:57] <IchGuckLive> i do not own a phone only China tablets
[17:09:03] <Tom_itx> oh
[17:09:15] <Tom_itx> is it hard to root a phone?
[17:09:26] <Tom_itx> kinda leary of trying that
[17:09:34] <IchGuckLive> i never in my now 64 live years i took a smartphone call
[17:10:17] <IchGuckLive> android phones connect themself for debubgging at androidstudio
[17:10:34] <IchGuckLive> only hint is the linux that needs a ADB kill
[17:10:38] <Tom_itx> i'd be concerned about bricking it
[17:10:57] <IchGuckLive> bricking = breaking
[17:11:17] <Tom_itx> bricking = render useless
[17:11:20] <Tom_itx> a brick
[17:11:22] <IchGuckLive> i did onec a app fail that restartet the phone over and over
[17:12:03] <IchGuckLive> its just java
[17:12:15] <IchGuckLive> so back to your not connecting device
[17:12:43] <IchGuckLive> did you remove all the wifi in the list on the divice and restart the system from powerplug
[17:13:00] <Tom_itx> the linux box isn't wifi
[17:13:04] <Tom_itx> it's hardwired
[17:13:24] <IchGuckLive> you can ping the router
[17:13:41] <Tom_itx> i wasn't able to yesterday
[17:13:48] <Tom_itx> just got here and about to work on it
[17:14:05] <IchGuckLive> ehat does ifconfig gicve you
[17:14:11] <IchGuckLive> what
[17:14:28] <IchGuckLive> eth0
[17:14:31] <Tom_itx> http://paste.debian.net/101394/
[17:15:09] <Tom_itx> neither one will connect
[17:15:41] <IchGuckLive> i see there is a 10base
[17:15:54] <IchGuckLive> what does ifconfig see
[17:16:02] <Tom_itx> ok now it's working on eth1
[17:16:05] <Tom_itx> lemme try eth0
[17:16:37] <IchGuckLive> eth1 is your 100tbase
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[17:16:57] <IchGuckLive> so the router will maybe not accept the 10base adapter
[17:17:09] <Tom_itx> it has been
[17:17:36] <Tom_itx> should be 10/100/1000
[17:17:38] <Tom_itx> iirc
[17:18:04] <IchGuckLive> ypour paste said itas on 10b fixed
[17:18:39] <Tom_itx> capacity 1GB
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[17:18:55] <Tom_itx> not sure why it's at 10MB
[17:19:02] <IchGuckLive> sudo iwconfig eth0 rate 100M
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[17:19:23] <Tom_itx> i wonder if that lan is bad
[17:20:10] <Tom_itx> it's not wireless
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[17:20:27] <Tom_itx> set failed on device eth0
[17:21:02] <IchGuckLive> ifconfig eth0 up
[17:22:01] <IchGuckLive> Tom_itx: do you got ethtools installed
[17:22:13] <IchGuckLive> sudo ethtool -s eth0 speed 100 duplex full autoneg on
[17:22:31] <IchGuckLive> sudo ethtool -S eth0
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[17:22:48] <IchGuckLive> this gives you all the infos on if its configured right
[17:23:08] <Tom_itx> not installed
[17:23:32] <IchGuckLive> sudo apt-get install ethtool
[17:23:42] <Tom_itx> how?
[17:23:48] <Tom_itx> no interweb connection :D
[17:24:21] <IchGuckLive> you said eth1 is working
[17:24:30] <Tom_itx> well it was for a bit
[17:24:49] <Tom_itx> i'm wondering if eth0 hardware is bad
[17:24:57] <IchGuckLive> dont think so
[17:25:07] <Tom_itx> swapping cables.. gonna get ethtool
[17:25:26] <IchGuckLive> ifconfig shoudt give you a idee of connection
[17:26:39] <Tom_itx> now neither one will connect
[17:27:24] <IchGuckLive> sudo ifconfig eth0 192.168.3.100
[17:27:45] <IchGuckLive> eth 1 give it a ip outside the dhcp
[17:28:04] <IchGuckLive> and ping the www router
[17:29:09] <IchGuckLive> get a look on ifconfig if it has the ip correct running bevore ping
[17:29:11] <Tom_itx> unreachable
[17:30:01] <IchGuckLive> you changed the numbers to ypour local network
[17:30:14] <IchGuckLive> ;-)
[17:31:14] <Tom_itx> i set it to where the router thinks it should be and i can ping it
[17:31:44] <IchGuckLive> good
[17:32:07] <Tom_itx> but i can't get past it
[17:32:47] <Tom_itx> the router had that mac leased with an ip stored already
[17:32:55] <IchGuckLive> ping 8.8.8.8
[17:33:11] <Tom_itx> unreachable
[17:33:51] <IchGuckLive> you got 2 mac as you got 2 eth
[17:34:37] <Tom_itx> right
[17:34:47] <Tom_itx> but the eth0 one was leased already
[17:35:13] <Tom_itx> i think i'll flush the router
[17:35:20] <IchGuckLive> no
[17:35:25] <IchGuckLive> bad idee
[17:35:52] <IchGuckLive> its the 10tbase adapter preset
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[17:37:23] <Tom_itx> yep
[17:38:42] <IchGuckLive> try
[17:38:52] <IchGuckLive> sudo ifconfig -f 100f
[17:39:19] <Tom_itx> -f not recognized
[17:39:28] <IchGuckLive> sudo ifconfig eth0 -f 100f
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[17:39:58] <Tom_itx> -f unknown host
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[17:40:39] <IchGuckLive> sudo ifconfig -f 100f eth0
[17:41:38] <Tom_itx> doesn't recognize -f as an optino
[17:41:56] <Tom_itx> i need to stop on this. have other more pressing things
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[17:45:11] <IchGuckLive> i kicked myself O.o
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[17:52:18] <IchGuckLive> Tom_itx: its a driver issue on 10.04
[17:54:44] <IchGuckLive> Tom_itx: please see " lspci -nnk | grep -iA2 net
[17:54:51] <IchGuckLive> if there is a fal modprobe
[17:55:16] <IchGuckLive> Kernel driver in use: r8168
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[17:57:14] <IchGuckLive> Tom_itx: still around
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[18:03:46] <MrHindsight> I'm adding howtos for camunits to the wiki http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Adding_Camview let me know of any install issues
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[18:06:07] <MrHindsight> adding and working with the extras and auto ZERO is where people run into trouble
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[18:49:22] <CaptHindsight> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/2014-Hot-Smart-TV-box-A20-Dual-Core-Google-Android-Allwinner-Cortex-A7-1GB-4GB-Flash/1714972998.html heh maybe Linuxcnc on this over RTnet
[18:49:38] <kfoltman> probably unreliable as hell
[18:49:48] <CaptHindsight> what would be?
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[18:50:10] <CaptHindsight> or do you mean the actual hardware quality?
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[18:59:11] <zq_> vroom
[18:59:38] <zq_> mhaberler: you're the machinekit guy, right?
[19:00:08] <zq_> mhaberler: what do you think about making -lXinerama and emcsh optional?
[19:02:06] <zultron> zq_, see the backlog. :) This discussion should definitely be brought to the Machinekit list, where there's a wider audience of folks who would be interested in/affected by this question.
[19:02:58] <zq_> zultron: irc backlog?
[19:03:30] <zultron> logger[mah], show zq_ where the IRC backlog is archived.
[19:03:30] <logger[mah]> zultron: Log stored at http://linuxcnc.mah.priv.at/irc/%23linuxcnc/2014-05-23.html
[19:03:36] <zq_> okay
[19:03:44] <zq_> so there's no separate mk irc chan
[19:03:54] <zultron> Not really necessary; just that the list is the best place to ask questions.
[19:04:09] <zq_> mind pasting the link?
[19:04:36] <zultron> The website should have pointers: http://machinekit.io
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[19:05:55] <zq_> uh
[19:06:10] <zq_> all i'm getting is a google groups link which requires me to sign up with a gmail
[19:06:17] <zq_> isn't there a listserv somewhere?
[19:06:58] <zultron> Yeah, google groups is the listserv. Try sending an email to http://groups.google.com/group/machinekit/subscribe
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[19:43:43] <Jymmm> $3875 to upgrade to a 50W laser tube, bastards
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[19:48:11] <_methods> jesus
[19:48:18] <_methods> tube robbery
[19:49:24] <CaptHindsight> US made tubes?
[19:49:32] <Jymmm> Yes
[19:50:36] <_methods> just make your own
[19:50:52] <_methods> http://hackaday.com/2012/06/07/incredible-home-made-low-cost-co2-laser/
[19:50:55] <_methods> hahahahhaha
[19:51:07] <_methods> pvc pipe laser tube
[19:52:12] <CaptHindsight> fly to China and buy one there for less
[19:53:56] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Vegas
[19:54:21] <CaptHindsight> and still fly RT to Vegas for less
[19:54:48] <Jymmm> Drive to Vegas unless you can hold a 200lb box on your lap =)
[19:55:22] <Jymmm> adnget thru TSA with it =)
[19:55:38] <Jymmm> Cause you dont want to check it and let the gorillas load it nthe plane
[19:55:43] <_methods> pew pew
[19:55:45] <jdh> so, why are 50w lasers so much more than 40w? even chinese ones
[19:56:00] <_methods> you might as well get 80w
[19:56:04] <_methods> if you gonna get 50
[19:56:33] <CaptHindsight> 180w <$800
[19:56:54] <Jymmm> Chinese tubes are water cooled, mine is air cooled.
[19:57:02] <jdh> I'd almost consider a 40w since keling has them so cheap now.
[19:57:47] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: does yours have aluminum fins integrated into the tube?
[19:57:57] <Jymmm> jdh: Since you're here, no problem.
[19:58:12] <zq_> how do i submit a patch to mk
[19:58:15] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: yep, looks cool actually. like some SciFi thing =)
[19:59:02] <CaptHindsight> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/laser-engraving/50w-laser-tube
[19:59:30] <CaptHindsight> add fish tank pump and tropical fish
[19:59:57] <CaptHindsight> heh High Quality and Extra Long Life 3 months warranty
[20:00:04] <Jymmm> LOL when you mount to your machine, do not mount upside down
[20:00:14] <CaptHindsight> even he won't stand behind them
[20:00:43] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: ALL tubes are like that
[20:01:05] <CaptHindsight> even uhmerican suppliers?
[20:01:29] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: No, they charge you 5x the cost for a 1yr warranty
[20:01:44] <Jymmm> $8000 for a new and 3yr warranty
[20:01:47] <Jymmm> for 50W
[20:02:00] <Jymmm> includes RF board too
[20:02:13] <CaptHindsight> how about getting one of those extended service contracts that they sell at Best Buy or Walmart
[20:02:45] <CaptHindsight> oh so it's like buying a muffler at Midas
[20:02:45] <Jymmm> Put it on my CC that give purchases an added year warranty instead =)
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[20:03:16] <CaptHindsight> the 6 month muffler and the lifetime muffler are the same muffler
[20:04:11] <CaptHindsight> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/laser-engraving/3000w-110vac-chiller-for-laser-or-cnc-router-2
[20:04:20] <Jymmm> Here we go a RECI Tube... http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/laser-engraving/brand-new-80w-laser-tube-for-the-laser-engraver
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[20:05:09] <CaptHindsight> if it is the quality problem, We will have Warranty if it is no water or other damage, we will not cover it
[20:06:33] <CaptHindsight> 8 Months Warranty 24 x 30 x 8 = 1,920, only for 1/5th it's supposed life
[20:10:56] <CaptHindsight> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbqJnS1AgPI 60 Watt Coherent Laser Diode
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[20:13:33] <CaptHindsight> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpsfyhm7H9s Poor-Man's Co2 Laser
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[20:30:42] <SpeedEvil> CaptHindsight: yeah - fiber coupled are way more awesome.
[20:31:09] <SpeedEvil> Bare arrays are way cheaper
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[20:44:37] <CaptHindsight> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXjp3BwvNMg DIY Frequency Trippled YAG 355nm laser cutter
[20:45:32] <CaptHindsight> 6 watts average power
[20:46:15] <CaptHindsight> http://www.buildlog.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=264
[20:50:55] <SpeedEvil> I've been wondering about something sort-of-similar
[20:51:11] <SpeedEvil> but using 3 2W laser diode 405nm lasers pointed onto one spot
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[20:53:41] <kfoltman> SpeedEvil: but that wouldn't give you a straight beam
[20:53:55] <kfoltman> or, rather, perpendicular to the surface of the cut
[20:54:12] <SpeedEvil> kfoltman: It won't work for cutting, no.
[20:54:31] <SpeedEvil> Well, it won't work for cutting 'thick' material
[20:54:35] <kfoltman> right
[20:55:06] <kfoltman> unless you can accept that the cut will be wider at the top
[20:55:45] <kfoltman> 3 laser diodes above, 3 laser diodes below? ;)
[20:56:00] <kfoltman> + some polycarbonate sheet to protect each side when not in use
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[20:57:05] <Loetmichel> you can do it "stacked"
[20:57:34] <Loetmichel> 3 widened beams, three semi mirrors and a lens at the bottom
[20:59:35] <kfoltman> is the efficiency of the semi mirrors sufficient for that?
[21:02:08] <SpeedEvil> As I understand it, you can't merge the beams efficiently
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[21:10:04] <Loetmichel> SpeedEvil: not in the concentrated state
[21:10:10] <Loetmichel> you have to widen them
[21:10:21] <Loetmichel> or the semi lirrors will burn
[21:10:46] <Loetmichel> mirrors
[21:11:09] <Loetmichel> and then after all three beams are combined focus the resulting beam back to a few thou
[21:11:20] <SpeedEvil> I mean the optical invariant
[21:12:01] <Loetmichel> dont know about theory, but in practice any powerful laser diode arry works this way
[21:12:17] <CaptHindsight> http://www.edmundoptics.com/optics/optical-filters/longpass-edge-filters/dichroic-laser-beam-combiners/3466 greater than 98% reflection and greater than 95% transmission
[21:12:49] <Loetmichel> a set of LD with parallel outputs, some semi mirrors at 45° (or prisms) and a collimator optc at the output
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[21:13:37] <CaptHindsight> SpeedEvil: using 405nm since they are cheap and easy to get from BluRay?
[21:16:33] <SpeedEvil> yes
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[21:17:08] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2W-445nm-M140-Blue-Laser-Diode-in-Copper-Module-W-Leads-Three-Element-Glass-/170892986250?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27ca04078a
[21:17:27] <SpeedEvil> 445 oops
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[21:24:10] <markhausen> Speaks anyone german ?
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[21:25:58] <CaptHindsight> Laser diode collimation optics http://www.google.com/patents/US4185891 might give you some hints
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[21:28:45] <Loetmichel> 2 minutes
[21:28:53] <Loetmichel> what a attention span
[21:29:21] <Loetmichel> i would have helped him translate, but when he is gone THAT quick... ;-(
[21:31:42] <Deejay> gn8
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[23:29:38] <zq_> alright
[23:29:42] <zq_> i'm at my wit's end
[23:30:00] <zq_> lat.hal:1: /home/bryant/machinekit/libexec/rtapi_app_rt-preempt exited without becoming ready
[23:30:22] <zq_> and from syslog: msgd:0: MSGD:0 mlock(global) failed: 12 'Cannot allocate memory'
[23:30:57] <zq_> this is rt_preempt on kernel 3.2.58-rt85 with machinekit master
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[23:42:14] <somenewguy> so i am reading up on cnccookbook about 4th axis work, does anyone have any other good resources?
[23:42:52] <somenewguy> I am particualarly curious if feedrate is in any way compensated w/ radius ofpart when programming for 4th axis, or if you have to do the math manually
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