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[01:54:50] <MattyMatt> Mr Chrome says Mr Imagebin has a malicious infection
[01:56:28] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ho0aXw932Bk
[01:56:33] <XXCoder> amazing
[01:58:24] <MrHindsight> all the ones from China I've seen are just extruded with mounting holes drilled every few in
[01:58:46] <XXCoder> mine is. I can tell from exrusion marks
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[02:27:45] <XXCoder> wow
[02:27:59] <XXCoder> I cant find sbr maintance or lubucation info ANYWHERE
[02:34:40] <XXCoder> oh great!!
[02:34:41] <XXCoder> http://www.cnc-arena.com/en/forum/sbr16-bearing-truck-grease-grease-fitting--214644.html
[02:34:44] <XXCoder> no answer
[02:35:01] <XXCoder> guess its semi-answer though
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[03:19:22] <MrHindsight> XXCoder: if you start with clean bearings than something like this: http://www.amazon.com/Royal-Purple-Performance-Multi-Purpose-Synthetic/dp/B002KCWWFC/ref=pd_sim_sbs_hi_1/190-5231158-7716522?ie=UTF8&refRID=15AAZS9A9TWEEVCH7CNX
[03:20:02] <XXCoder> interesting
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[03:22:14] <MrHindsight> but for all you know the factory has packed them with rancid kitchen waste grease, so you have to clean and relube or you can end up with a solid mess
[03:22:25] <XXCoder> question about bearing blocks too - theres screws on top and side
[03:22:44] <XXCoder> do I use those to amke sure block dont wobble or something?
[03:22:47] <MrHindsight> have a pic?
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[03:23:11] <XXCoder> http://www.ebay.com/itm/250729742630
[03:24:54] <MrHindsight> those are for mounting
[03:25:11] <XXCoder> not 4 corner screws
[03:25:16] <MrHindsight> how else would you attach your parts to them?
[03:25:17] <XXCoder> I know those is for mounting
[03:25:29] <XXCoder> the center one
[03:25:35] <MrHindsight> so what holes are you asking about?
[03:25:52] <XXCoder> one on top and side of block
[03:25:58] <XXCoder> not at block corners
[03:26:18] <MrHindsight> thats how they decided to place the mounting holes
[03:26:26] <MrHindsight> use whatever works
[03:26:49] <XXCoder> it has a hex screw, not designed to mount something to.
[03:27:15] <XXCoder> while testing it does seem tighter but I dont have tool for side one
[03:27:38] <MrHindsight> is there a set screw in the center hole?
[03:27:49] <MrHindsight> does that hold the bearing in place?
[03:28:09] <XXCoder> ahh set screw. yep on middle top and one side too
[03:28:11] <XXCoder> nope
[03:28:41] <XXCoder> theres this thing that looks like thin washer but 3/4 ring with tiny holes at ends so I can take it out
[03:28:44] <MrHindsight> you never know with cheap Chinese bearings since there are no docs or spec sheets
[03:29:29] <MrHindsight> lube holes are often not drilled through
[03:29:40] <MrHindsight> broken fasteners
[03:29:44] <MrHindsight> whatever
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[03:30:00] <XXCoder> yeah mine come with free alum flakes
[03:30:11] <XXCoder> cleaned most of em off but will check more before greasing em up
[03:32:20] <XXCoder> is this good deal? http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-ballscrews-RM1605-300-600-600mm-3-nuts-BK-BF12-/250451252435?pt=BI_Heavy_Equipment_Parts&hash=item3a500ed4d3
[03:34:21] <XXCoder> also I'm wondering if I should just replace all block bearings. with better ones
[03:34:33] <XXCoder> but then my precision needs isnt that high... yet
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[03:38:29] <XXCoder> MrHindsight: how much wiggle should it have when properly tightened?
[03:44:31] <MrHindsight> none radially
[03:45:17] <XXCoder> means it should not rotate on axis?
[03:46:02] <MrHindsight> it can rotate but there should be no radial play or minimal say few microns
[03:46:21] <XXCoder> okay trying to visualize
[03:46:54] <XXCoder> should be tight and not get in such way that surface is not parallel with rod?
[03:47:23] <MrHindsight> http://www.skf.com/binary/98-55843/SKF_6402_EN_11_10_19_GB_high.pdf
[03:47:59] <XXCoder> that is great, thanks!
[03:49:16] <zeeshan> linearmotion bearings blocks
[03:49:19] <zeeshan> dont have any radial play
[03:49:32] <zeeshan> and they use double bearings on the fixed block
[03:49:39] <zeeshan> so there is no axial play either ;p
[03:49:57] <XXCoder> I suppose when properly tightened
[03:50:07] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/Bhu2BXu.jpg
[03:50:13] <zeeshan> i had to machine this floating block today
[03:50:21] <zeeshan> man hss would not bite.
[03:50:24] <zeeshan> carbide ate it like a joke
[03:52:01] <zeeshan> i really want to get this thing running this weekend
[03:52:12] <zeeshan> at least moving on each axis
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[04:18:08] <MrHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/20mm-30-Rail-Guideway-System-Flanged-Slide-Unit-Linear-Motion-19872-/360813921487?pt=BI_Heavy_Equipment_Parts&hash=item54022f84cf
[04:18:24] <XXCoder1> yah you linked me that while ago
[04:18:34] <XXCoder1> nice but maybe next cnc not this one.
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[06:38:40] <Jymmm> PCW: pcw_home I think you have some competition... https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/logxen/smoothieboard-the-future-of-cnc-motion-control
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[08:53:39] <MattyMatt> Jymmm, I think the built in 2A motor drivers limits the applications somewhat
[08:54:07] <MattyMatt> the smoothieware firmware will run on a beagleboard etc tho, if you want bigger
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[09:24:58] <Tom_itx> more than likely came from the glue gun croud
[09:26:52] <Swapper_> doesent seem to have much of a use in converting existing industrial drivers.
[09:27:04] <Tom_itx> nope
[09:27:05] <Swapper_> 24v and +-10v handling
[09:27:12] <Tom_itx> more for powering your 'toys'
[09:27:16] <Swapper_> yep
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[12:24:37] <Tom_itx> might be of interest to some here: http://www.electronicproducts.com/Sensors_and_Transducers/Sensors/Watch_this_super-fast_bionic_arm_catch_objects_on_the_fly.aspx
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[12:45:03] <Swapper_> who daviruz
[12:45:10] <Swapper_> ops
[12:45:44] <Swapper_> DaViruz: have you studied inonkoping?
[12:45:52] <Swapper_> in Jonkoping
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[15:09:27] <MrHindsight> http://www.wallacecompany.com/pulse/ Linuxcnc pulse generator
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[15:27:28] <Jymmm> MattyMatt: I was being funny
[15:27:49] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Uh.... i, Robot comes to mind =)
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[15:31:08] <MrHindsight> MattyMatt: I thought you were joking with the LPC176x Microcontroller board
[15:34:21] <MrHindsight> http://www.nxp.com/documents/data_sheet/LPC1769_68_67_66_65_64_63.pdf
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[15:36:01] <MrHindsight> it makes even less sense than a http://www.ti.com/product/am3359 SBC
[15:39:37] <ReadError> off topic, but I know alot of "you folks" hang around here
[15:39:52] <ReadError> anyone know a decent amount about PCBs/power ?
[15:40:27] <Jymmm> ReadError: As in how many watts you can shove on a trace?
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[15:42:07] <ReadError> more so via diameter and plating thickness
[15:42:25] <ReadError> like, ive read conflicting things about if its better to have many smaller vias vs. larger ones
[15:42:36] <ReadError> assuming the plating is the same thickness
[15:42:41] <Jymmm> ReadError: Talk to JT-Shop, he did some "creative" things a ways back iirc
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[15:45:32] <ReadError> yea seems to be a lot of different stuff floating around just wasnt sure if anyone heres done it, figured id ask
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[15:49:15] <archivist> pcb design depends on lots of things including your intended makers ability
[15:49:41] <ReadError> yea, I got an inquiry in with them to find out via plating on 4oz
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[15:57:21] <archivist> and you can design for cheap manufacture or expensive
[16:00:24] <ReadError> yea once you get up to 4oz stuff gets a bit more pricey
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[16:13:53] <MrHindsight> http://circuitcalculator.com/wordpress/2006/01/31/pcb-trace-width-calculator/
[16:14:13] <ReadError> trace isnt so much an issue
[16:14:33] <MrHindsight> http://circuitcalculator.com/wordpress/2006/12/15/current-vs-trace-thickness-and-temperature-vs-copper-density/
[16:14:37] <ReadError> since top and bottom will be 4oz copper
[16:14:44] <ReadError> its connecting the top and bottom im pondering on
[16:15:00] <ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/TU6Giki.png
[16:15:05] <MrHindsight> the via current handling ability
[16:15:23] <MrHindsight> you can compute that as well
[16:15:37] <MrHindsight> you'll want them filled/plugged
[16:15:38] <ReadError> yea, but I need to figure out how thick they will plate them
[16:16:05] <ReadError> well the real thing is like, in terms of efficiency, many small vias or fewer larger ones
[16:16:11] <ReadError> thats where I was seeing conflicting info
[16:16:11] <MrHindsight> have to talk to the board house you are considering
[16:16:43] <MrHindsight> also price vs
[16:17:03] <MrHindsight> more small holes vs larger
[16:17:23] <ReadError> well, the place im looking at now its flat rate
[16:17:29] <ReadError> goldphoenix
[16:17:38] <MrHindsight> how many amps from top to bottom
[16:17:43] <ReadError> 15mil min hit
[16:17:47] <ReadError> well
[16:17:56] <ReadError> would like around 180a
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[16:18:12] <ReadError> burst
[16:18:26] <MrHindsight> what thickness between top and bottom?
[16:18:45] <ReadError> default is the 1.6, but I could go down I guess
[16:18:56] <MrHindsight> 1.6mm?
[16:19:01] <ReadError> yea
[16:19:14] <MrHindsight> how many layers?
[16:19:18] <ReadError> just 2
[16:19:34] <ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/WjTANsE.png
[16:19:40] <ReadError> better pic of how the layers are
[16:19:46] <MrHindsight> whats the approximate size of that board?
[16:20:02] <ReadError> 36mm L and W
[16:20:36] <ReadError> so im also kind of torn, if I hammer more vias in would that effect the current flow to the big plated holes
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[16:21:02] <MrHindsight> 180A and what duty cycle and freq?
[16:21:16] <ReadError> I could fit a bunch more on, its just trying to figure out the theory of diminishing return
[16:21:30] <ReadError> just DC, ~16.8V
[16:21:47] <ReadError> brushless ESCs
[16:23:00] <MrHindsight> what gets attached to the holes?
[16:23:08] <ReadError> silicone wire
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[16:25:49] <MrHindsight> 16.8V x 180A = ~3KW, that's why i asked the duty cycle and freq
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[16:27:46] <MrHindsight> I'd probably use a solid copper slug between layers
[16:29:17] <MrHindsight> do you have to use a board for this?
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[16:31:53] <pcw_home> no easy way to do 180A on a small PCB even 4 Oz copper would be too wide
[16:32:51] <archivist> from whatI have seen they just make them to only just work and a percentage of esc's die
[16:32:52] <MrHindsight> he said 180A peak, but no idea what the duty cycle is
[16:34:06] <pcw_home> well "burst" into flames....
[16:35:39] <MrHindsight> 180A for 4oz copper with 25C ambient and 100C rise requires 62.3mm wide trace
[16:36:12] <Einar1> Use a busbar?
[16:36:37] <MrHindsight> but that's for continuous power
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[16:37:36] <MrHindsight> 10A average current with 1uS spikes to 180A every second is another story
[16:37:46] <Einar1> Around 60mm wide. OK, but what will the current density be where this current enters and leave the wide track?
[16:38:51] <MrHindsight> depends on how many vias he uses and size
[16:39:04] <MrHindsight> that's what he is wondering
[16:39:08] <pcw_home> the heat conduced away by the wire helps
[16:39:31] <ReadError> well, ive done 100+ on a 2oz copper board
[16:39:35] <MrHindsight> yeah, thats why you have to look at the whole design not just the pcb
[16:39:41] <archivist> it is a race between the electrons, smoke and heat to see which escapes first
[16:40:08] <Einar1> ? What size wire? At 180A we're talking copper rod! :-O
[16:40:36] <MrHindsight> for continuous current
[16:41:05] <archivist> for pulse and low duty cycle it should be ok
[16:41:18] <pcw_home> if it only has to last an hour or so just design so the solder doesn't melt
[16:41:53] <pcw_home> 2 oz and 100A at 100C rise is 50mm wide
[16:41:56] <Einar1> And use large vias with rivets in them.
[16:42:09] <zeeshan-laptop> hi friends
[16:42:25] <MrHindsight> flip the switch on any of your appliance motors at home and measure the inrush current in the first mS
[16:42:27] <pcw_home> (and no one that wanted things to last would spec a 100C rise)
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[16:43:44] <MrHindsight> well whatever size silicone coated wire is used should also be fine as the vias
[16:44:03] <Einar1> I question the sanity of driving a 3KW load with 16.8V anyway. I would raise the voltage considerably.
[16:44:16] <ReadError> Einar1, its fairly common
[16:44:25] <ReadError> lipos can push out pretty decent current
[16:44:54] <Einar1> The efficiency will suffer greatly. And EMC will be a nightmare.
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[16:46:45] <MrHindsight> we get away with 2oz copper on 4 layer boards for 100A core supplies (~1V) for motherboards
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[16:49:41] <IchGuckLive> hi all
[16:49:43] <IchGuckLive> B)
[16:50:16] <MrHindsight> another BBQ day in Deutschland? :)
[16:51:09] <pcw_home> Yeah but how wide is the plane?
[16:51:11] <IchGuckLive> yes its on
[16:51:39] <IchGuckLive> MrHindsight: party is starting whinin the hour
[16:53:26] <MrHindsight> I've been trying to find a non-NDA pcb layout for x86
[16:53:38] <MrHindsight> or a design guide
[16:57:01] <MrHindsight> http://www.intel.com/content/dam/www/public/us/en/documents/design-guides/pentium-4-845-chipset-platform-for-sdr-guide.pdf ~page #180
[16:57:35] <MrHindsight> anyone doing high current or high speed PCB design should read these
[17:00:35] <MrHindsight> http://www.epectec.com/articles/heavy-copper-pcb-design.html
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[17:02:55] <MrHindsight> 1/4" wide track needs 40oz copper for 180A at 20 C rise
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[17:04:36] <pcw_home> 40oz copper is thicker than a normal PCB...
[17:05:23] <MattyMatt> place I'm looking at gives a choice of 30 and 60
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[17:10:53] <MattyMatt> 1oz or 2oz I mean which iirc is 30 and 60 µm
[17:12:10] <ReadError> see im not really trusting a lot of these #s im getting on calculators
[17:12:21] <ReadError> ive done much more on much less and didnt get hot
[17:13:26] <MrHindsight> probably not continuous power then, those are for calculating DC full current
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[17:14:23] <deMimsy> Iwas reading <http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/common/python-interface.html> and under section 4, it states that commands can only be set under certain cases. Is there a current running doc that states what tests need to be checked before each command?
[17:15:32] <deMimsy> The reason I ask is because I am geting a lot of errors when trying to open and run g-code programs when calling them from my python interface
[17:16:34] <pcw_home> also if you have a small PCB and large wires soldered to it you get a lot of heat sinking from the wires
[17:18:30] <ReadError> plus this has a decent amount airflow
[17:18:36] <ReadError> maybe why I havent noticed any meltdown
[17:18:46] <mozmck> for that kind of power, shouldn't you just use wires?
[17:20:15] <ReadError> nah its a huge pain
[17:24:57] <Jymmm> Did you know... Ebay has a "FEEDBACK EXTORTION" policy
[17:25:20] <Jymmm> http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/feedback-extortion.html
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[17:26:17] <ReadError> I heard powersellers cant leave negative feedback now?
[17:27:29] <Jymmm> A seller promised a refund without returning a defective product if I leave them feedback. I left he feedback but they never refunded payment and it was past the 30 day ebay money back guarntee, but withint the 60 day return time.....
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[17:28:16] <Jymmm> There is actually a section in Ebay's Customer Service where you can CALL ebay and they just wrote the seller directly that they promised a refund, but haven't done so.
[17:28:45] <Jymmm> Took ike 20 seconds to answer the phone, and was VERY helpful
[17:28:56] <Jymmm> I was impressed.
[17:29:08] <mozmck> That's certainly different than they used to be.
[17:29:27] <Jymmm> But, I made sure to document everything in my communications with the seller.
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[17:29:44] <Jymmm> which ebay has access to of course =)
[17:29:55] <mozmck> Their fees are so high overall these days it's almost more trouble than it's worth to list anything there.
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[17:30:28] <Jymmm> I haven' sold on ebay in years due to that.
[17:30:29] <mozmck> I don't see how sellers can sell items for $1 or 2 and make anything.
[17:31:00] <Jymmm> Ha, I see $1 and free shipping, no clue how that is done in the least.
[17:31:13] <mozmck> I've sold some recently just to get rid of some stuff taking up space, but Ebay takes a lot of it.
[17:31:34] <mozmck> Some of the stuff I would have been better off taking down to the scrap yard.
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[17:32:20] <Jymmm> My biggest bitch isn't the money, it's the integrity of the seller in this case.
[17:32:25] <mozmck> ja
[17:32:45] <Jymmm> They stopped responding to messages and no longer do I get the autoresponder emails fro them
[17:33:04] <Jymmm> so they've filtered me out in essense
[17:33:15] <Jymmm> Homey don't play that!
[17:33:40] <IchGuckLive> deMimsy: sounds your python code is wrong did you start from a simple python in the wikipedia
[17:34:16] <Jymmm> I had described the problem and said "Please advise", I never asked for a refund/replacement, THEY offered the refund w/o returning the item for feedback. FYI
[17:36:43] <Jymmm> Man, I wish I could include in all communications a copy of "Cool Hand Luke" =)
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[17:37:58] <Jymmm> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fuDDqU6n4o
[17:38:41] <Jymmm> "What we have here... is a failure... to communicate"
[17:40:58] <jdh> like?
[17:41:23] <Jymmm> jdh: ?
[17:41:55] <jdh> nevermind me.
[17:42:14] <Jymmm> jdh: In the context above, the seller blew me off and thought ignoring me would make me go away.... the WRONG thing to do with me =)
[17:42:26] <jdh> but to your earlier comment... I just ordered 5 presta adapters on ebay. $1.25 shipped.
[17:42:54] <Jymmm> Oh yeah, no clue how they do that.
[17:43:13] <Jymmm> I *WISH* I knew how or could actually do that.
[17:43:13] <jdh> .cn subsidizes shipping and currency exchanges afaik
[17:43:40] <Jymmm> Sure, but there's still packaging, labeling, printing, etc, plus the cost of the actual items themselves.
[17:44:49] <Jymmm> Here in the US, the cheapest is 48¢ for postage alone, plus label/envelope
[17:45:19] <Jymmm> add printing costs
[17:46:02] <ReadError> yea not sure how some of the chinese do stuff so cheap
[17:46:57] <Jymmm> Next time I get a pkg from .cn I'm going to have to run it thru a translater to see the cost of package onthe pkg.
[17:47:08] <Jymmm> it's in Kanji
[17:47:50] <Jymmm> jdh: Maybe they dont get charged postage at all? Free?
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[17:48:20] <jdh> yeah. maybe more than free
[17:48:43] <Jymmm> But somehow get screwed by the gov in some other way
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[17:49:53] <Jymmm> Ah, I wonder if they just have to brie officials to get the free shiping
[17:49:59] <Jymmm> bribe*
[17:50:15] <Jymmm> That would make sense, and I think it's very common to do so.
[17:51:04] <Jymmm> At least the bribe is flat rate =)
[17:51:15] <Jymmm> ...monthly
[17:51:53] <Jymmm> Then it would be up to the seller to make theri monthly quota to pay the bribe plus any profit margin
[17:52:33] <Jymmm> So then you could sell at any rate or fees, as long as you remained in the black.
[17:52:53] <Jymmm> 2¢ profit, is still profit in volume.
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[17:55:00] <ReadError> the crazies prices are on taobao.com
[17:55:04] <ReadError> its like the chinese ebay
[17:55:26] <Jymmm> $0.02 profit * 5000 sales = $100 of net profit
[17:56:46] <ReadError> they get sooo many holidays too
[17:56:48] <Jymmm> ReadError: all in kanji
[17:57:05] <ReadError> but it seems like they work every day of the week
[17:57:13] <Jymmm> ReadError: Huh? they have a week during chinese new years is all I know.
[17:57:15] <ReadError> atleast some places
[17:57:20] <MrHindsight> taobao.com prices are often not the actual price, many sellers just post low prices for attention
[17:57:21] <ReadError> nah, theres much more
[17:57:22] <jdh> I thought kanji was japanese
[17:57:37] <Jymmm> jdh: and chinese
[17:57:41] <MrHindsight> there price ends up being low, just not crazy low
[17:57:53] <ReadError> MrHindsight, ya you have to end go by their rating
[17:58:02] <ReadError> and as an american I need to use a broker
[17:58:13] <ReadError> which adds to the price...but still some stuff it worth it
[17:58:15] <MrHindsight> 3 alphabets in Japan, one is borrowed from the Chinese
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[17:58:37] <Jymmm> ReadError: Ali now accepts paypal, so you are under that instead of TT/WU now
[17:58:45] <Jymmm> TT = screwed
[17:59:10] <ReadError> Jymmm, www.bhiner.com
[17:59:36] <ReadError> they will broker
[17:59:43] <Jymmm> ah
[17:59:58] <ReadError> im confused about all these ali*
[18:00:03] <ReadError> aliexpress
[18:00:05] <ReadError> alibaba
[18:01:35] <Jymmm> Yeah, I'm looking at an item on aliexpress, $50 USD + free shipping to USA, delivery within 26 days, returns accepted, and they say refund or keep item and agree to refund amount.
[18:01:58] <Jymmm> http://www.aliexpress.com/buyerprotection/index.html
[18:02:18] <Jymmm> You can get a full refund if your item is significantly different from the seller’s description
[18:02:18] <Jymmm> or You can choose a partial refund and keep the product.
[18:03:00] <IchGuckLive> im off to BBQ BYE till tiomorrow
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[18:09:39] <ReadError> oh aliexpress is legit
[18:09:45] <ReadError> ive dealt with them
[18:09:50] <ReadError> they actually dont pay the seller
[18:09:55] <ReadError> until you say everything is good
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[18:19:20] <Jymmm> Yeah, they seem legit to me.
[18:20:25] <Jymmm> I was kinda scared buying from Kai (like DX), but they were actually pretty good and even asked for feedback on my exp with them a week after I Rx the item
[18:32:28] <deMimsy> If I have not specificially instructed linuxcnc to exit auto_mode, is there any reason why it would switch over to manual?
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[18:49:07] <_methods> http://linuxgizmos.com/pico-itx-sbc-taps-6w-g-series-soc-adds-modular-io/
[18:49:40] <_methods> got full pcie slot
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[19:03:27] <eneuro> Hello, just run latest linuxcnc sim with Axis 2.4.5 under VirtualBox and it works, but is it possible to exchange those X green & Y red axis colors? http://tinypic.com/r/dq1w8i/8 I'd like to have X red Y green Z blue like in many CAM tools, but can not find any option in Axis to do that?
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[19:06:27] <jdh> change your CAM tool to match axis.
[19:07:10] <cradek> I am shocked to find that yes you can customize those
[19:07:39] <cradek> you can set the colors in your x resources database
[19:07:57] <jdh> cool. X does r0ck sometimes
[19:08:35] <cradek> http://git.linuxcnc.org/gitweb?p=linuxcnc.git;a=blob;f=src/emc/usr_intf/axis/etc/axis_light_background;h=7382754aaeb83440055fc990a85508f588e9ffb4;hb=13395a127fe82d02619e96cc56e369fdcf36c86a
[19:08:54] <cradek> this is some or all of the things you can set that way
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[19:10:14] <eneuro> I wrote my own CAE in OpenGL and set it to Red Green Blue, while it simply matches to... RGB and it is easy to watch when switch beetween my CAE & sim ;)
[19:11:14] <DaViruz> Swapper_: i don't know what's inonkoping is
[19:11:26] <DaViruz> -'s
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[19:16:20] <eneuro> Thx. It is cool, it is possible to customize this B-)
[19:18:18] <Einar1> DaViruz: I think he meant ---> https://www.google.no/maps/preview?q=j%C3%B8nk%C3%B8ping&ie=UTF-8&ei=SmR2U_rjCsfk4QS42YAY&sqi=2&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ
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[19:18:38] <DaViruz> i see
[19:18:46] <DaViruz> been there a couple times, never studied there
[19:19:14] <Einar1> Do you live in Sweden?
[19:19:39] <DaViruz> yes
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[19:20:11] <Einar1> Ahh. My neighbour then. ;-)
[19:20:27] <DaViruz> https://www.google.no/maps/place/Avesta/@60.140498,16.199,13z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x465de4b24ab6d509:0x95adb42dbab41716
[19:20:31] <DaViruz> there.. :)
[19:20:33] <DaViruz> oh?
[19:21:52] <Einar1> ---> https://www.google.no/maps/place/Ski/@59.7164779,10.8401565,13z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x46415cfd64894f8b:0x903a9225f6021eec
[19:22:31] <Einar1> 418Km from you...
[19:23:50] <DaViruz> oh. only been to oslo and bergen
[19:24:24] <DaViruz> sorry, drammen, not bergen
[19:25:51] <Einar1> I got my 2 roller screws today. I can't believe the freight cost at 19100Won = USD 18.61 from Korea to Norway! It would cost me more to send it to the next town here!
[19:26:18] <DaViruz> yeah, sweden postal service is pretty expensive too
[19:26:44] <Einar1> Oslo->Drammen 1hour drive. Oslo -> Bergen 7 hours. ;-)
[19:27:36] <Einar1> He offers most of his stuff freight free. At those rates I can understand it.
[19:27:36] <DaViruz> i tend to confuse them. i'm not sure why.. :)
[19:30:01] <Einar1> You don't confuse them when you meet them. They say about people from Bergen they can't swim. They don't know how to keep their mouth shut.
[19:31:23] <DaViruz> i'm a pretty lousy swimmer
[19:32:18] <DaViruz> i can stay afloat, and i can move in a desired directino, but not very efficiently.. :)
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[20:20:08] <deMimsy> Is there a way to not exit AUTO_MODE when done running a program?
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[20:43:10] <Tom_itx> leave off the M2 / M30 command at the end?
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[20:59:07] <Deejay> gn8
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[21:00:12] <miss0r> I have here my newly acquired Arboga u2508 mill/drill machine. I want to get a tool collect for it. I read somewhere on the Internet 'as a footnote' that this guy uses a MT3 collect. But I have no way to verify that I can get one of these and it will fit. Do any of you know what I should get, so that I can get ER25 or something in that order?
[21:00:22] <miss0r> Or some way to measure / determin what to do
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[21:13:00] <eneuro> cradek: Succesfully changed those axis XYZ colors in linuxcnc to red, green, blue exchanging xy properties you showed with "$ xrdb -load ~/.axis.xrdb" command, and added ~/.axis.xrdb B-) http://tinypic.com/r/15himu9/8
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[21:46:10] <Jymmm> cheech and chong on CBS
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