#linuxcnc | Logs for 2014-05-14

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[00:49:46] <XXCoder> hey CaptHindsight ?
[00:51:18] <XXCoder> be back dinner
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[01:01:30] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: yoh
[01:13:47] <CaptHindsight> http://hackaday.com/2013/10/17/unorthodox-home-made-cnc-machine/ nothing quite smells of quality like fresh PVC for CNC! I think we need to have a contest for the worst CNC machine designs.
[01:14:09] <CaptHindsight> anything goes, including materials
[01:14:30] <CaptHindsight> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCPXeZz72vM
[01:15:41] <XXCoder> back
[01:15:52] <XXCoder> I opened rails box
[01:15:59] <XXCoder> yep some issues with bearings lol
[01:16:13] <XXCoder> most is smooth just need grease (or oil?)
[01:16:25] <XXCoder> two only goes smoothly one direction
[01:16:33] <XXCoder> one is bit rough both ways
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[02:13:22] <XXCoder> CaptHindsight: got good link on how to repack blocks bearings so all runs smoothly?
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[02:18:11] <XXCoder> pipes cnc is awesopme, bad video though
[02:19:36] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: are they sealed bearings?
[02:19:59] <XXCoder> maybe I used wrong word. things that move up and down rails?
[02:20:11] <CaptHindsight> bearing blocks
[02:20:15] <XXCoder> okay
[02:20:21] <CaptHindsight> are they crunchy?
[02:20:25] <XXCoder> how do I tell if sealed or not
[02:20:40] <XXCoder> I cant hear it so cant discribe as crunchy or not but one is definitely rough
[02:20:47] <XXCoder> and 2 is rough one direction
[02:20:50] <CaptHindsight> what type or rail round supported or prifile?
[02:20:55] <CaptHindsight> or/of
[02:20:58] <XXCoder> SBR rails
[02:21:01] <XXCoder> various sizes
[02:21:15] <CaptHindsight> heh, just a few that are out of round
[02:21:42] <CaptHindsight> all you can do it grease them up and hope for the best or just buy better bearings
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[02:22:03] <XXCoder> so I just remove balls and clean then grease?
[02:22:13] <XXCoder> also any specific type of grease?
[02:22:30] <CaptHindsight> there's nothing to remove, do yours have grease fittings?
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[02:23:41] <CaptHindsight> the are slightly oily from the factory so any grease will help
[02:24:13] <CaptHindsight> it's just cheap bearings, not much you can do
[02:24:30] <XXCoder> heh definitly have to clean em. saw few metal flakes
[02:24:52] <CaptHindsight> oh great
[02:25:08] <XXCoder> probably why some is "crunchy"
[02:25:08] <CaptHindsight> so metal shavings mixed in with the bearings
[02:25:19] <XXCoder> not a lot and wasnt in bearings just around
[02:25:26] <CaptHindsight> just don't lose any of the balls
[02:26:03] <XXCoder> yeah
[02:26:04] <CaptHindsight> if the person cared when assembling them they could have kept the work area clean
[02:26:17] <XXCoder> indeed. chinese dont I guess
[02:26:30] <CaptHindsight> so that should impact the manufacturing costs by much, unless they live in a sand dune
[02:26:32] <XXCoder> that specific company in leasy but most is like that anyway
[02:27:07] <XXCoder> okayt from what I can see
[02:27:17] <XXCoder> theres 4 olvious screw holes top
[02:27:27] <XXCoder> smaller one in middle for unknown use
[02:27:32] <XXCoder> side one for unknown use
[02:27:42] <XXCoder> My guess is tighter
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[02:28:03] <XXCoder> makes bearing block stay on rail without any wiggle
[02:28:06] <CaptHindsight> maybe that screw is like that switch on that wall that doesn't seem to do anything
[02:29:48] <CaptHindsight> http://www.machinerylubrication.com/Read/28893/wd40-bearing-lubricant
[02:30:01] <XXCoder> its not lubucant
[02:30:05] <XXCoder> its water displacer
[02:31:11] <CaptHindsight> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QL5hWmveIA
[02:31:50] <XXCoder> probably could be used as cutting "oil"? lol
[02:32:34] <XXCoder> not all types of greece are the same some greece's incompaytible because...
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[02:32:48] <XXCoder> gonna love autocaption
[02:34:50] <CaptHindsight> http://www.machinerylubrication.com/Articles/Search?query=linear+bearing
[02:36:20] <XXCoder> yeah mine seems stright
[02:36:23] <XXCoder> good thing
[02:52:32] <XXCoder> saw one of big cnc machines at work running away making some airplane part
[02:52:45] <XXCoder> too bad I couldnt get close enoigh to take a good look.
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[04:27:57] <FrankZappa> not all types of greece are the same some greece's incompaytible because the EU austerity measures have detrimental impacts on the strength of the economy.
[04:28:19] <XXCoder> :P
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[09:33:26] <likevinyl> morning 4 all \m/
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[10:20:14] <Deejay> moin
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[10:35:16] <jthornton> morning
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[11:46:50] <Tom_itx> 47F morning
[11:49:13] <likevinyl> 58 ° F :)
[11:50:06] <likevinyl> igtw
[11:50:41] <SpeedEvil> 59 here.
[11:54:07] <archivist> the right weather to be outside making a clock movement test horse
[11:55:06] <archivist> mine is seriously stronger and more rigid than this crap lower left http://www.clocktonyforclocks.com/
[11:57:14] <Tom_itx> but it says it's well made...
[11:57:22] <archivist> lies
[11:57:37] <archivist> he has no shear struts
[11:57:50] <Tom_itx> i was getting ready to add that comment
[11:58:24] <SpeedEvil> I suspect shear struts are irrelevant unless you bolt it down
[11:59:17] <archivist> the frame starts to swing if you dont have it bolted to a wall or shear struts
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[14:50:44] <CaptHindsight> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XX8JG1tqEM4#t=97 hhmm would a structural engineer really build a machine this poorly?
[14:52:51] <CaptHindsight> http://3dprintingindustry.com/2014/05/14/3d-printing-home-rudenko/ ah explains it "a contractor with a background in architecture and engineering"
[14:57:31] <mazafaka1> 'structural engineer...' isn't this just a part of the education?
[14:58:20] <mazafaka1> To be honest, the hardest in my life was to confront with legislative norms during car rebuild.
[15:00:55] <mazafaka1> Had to as wether I have a right to mount some tools for off-roading under the bonnet, answer was 'yes'--but I will need to register this changes in a specified order, involving some on-line writing with photos to the special organisation.
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[15:02:45] <CaptHindsight> mazafaka1: what country was this in?
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[16:45:06] <gene78> ok, I'll bite, where have the trig functions (sin-cos-tan etc) gone in 2.5.4?
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[16:54:03] <archivist> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.5/html/gcode/overview.html#sec:Expressions
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[16:54:16] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
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[16:55:31] <archivist> IchGuckLive, can you remember the url for that gear company over there?
[16:55:47] <archivist> cheap worms and bevels
[16:56:01] <IchGuckLive> http://www.maedler.de/
[16:56:12] <archivist> thanks
[16:56:23] <archivist> must bookmark this time
[16:56:26] <IchGuckLive> in all plasmas now i got a 30:1
[16:57:07] <IchGuckLive> that retches the 7500 on mesa 7i76 kit and it gives a 8h+ workday with no steploss
[16:57:29] <IchGuckLive> mm/min
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[17:18:09] <IchGuckLive> balestrino: Bonjorno tuttie
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[17:19:00] <IchGuckLive> balestrino: che rende la fresatura
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[17:19:36] <IchGuckLive> balestrino: legno, per quanto ne so
[17:19:55] <balestrino> ?
[17:20:13] <IchGuckLive> Italiano ?
[17:20:16] <balestrino> yes
[17:20:38] <IchGuckLive> ;-)
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[17:22:07] <balestrino> currently i'm working on aluminum plates and dont know.. but i got a bug i think
[17:22:36] <balestrino> on tool table because get trunkated over 200+ tools
[17:22:42] <IchGuckLive> bug on aluminium plates how coudt that happen
[17:23:17] <IchGuckLive> 200 tools nowone needs that many 36
[17:24:00] <balestrino> yeah. i dont have all that tools but i set the table like 0-100 endmills, 100-200 drills, etc
[17:24:30] <IchGuckLive> what version are you on
[17:24:41] <balestrino> latest one with gmoccapy
[17:24:56] <IchGuckLive> OS
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[17:25:04] <balestrino> ubuntu 10.x
[17:26:19] <IchGuckLive> you shoudt consider 2.6 pre
[17:28:12] <archivist> there is a tool qty table limit on the current versions (documented somewhere)
[17:28:44] <balestrino> i'm going to check. But why limit the tool table?
[17:29:04] <IchGuckLive> the limit on standart is 56
[17:29:16] <IchGuckLive> but pre is removerd to 254
[17:29:39] <archivist> the transport mechanism has a size limit
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[17:29:51] <archivist> buffer size
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[17:31:19] <IchGuckLive> archivist dident mhableer put that to the string page limitation of 256 up
[17:32:09] <IchGuckLive> the remap funktion did need the bigger buffer on transport tm6
[17:32:14] <archivist> I know it is being worked on
[17:32:37] <IchGuckLive> as remap is only on 2.6 it might work out there
[17:34:59] <Connor> WooT, got me ER20 Collets in today.
[17:35:15] <IchGuckLive> nice for you
[17:35:17] <balestrino> Norbert of gmoccapy has ever been on IRC?
[17:36:02] <IchGuckLive> Connor: http://www.paulimot.de/epages/paulimot.sf/de_DE/?ObjectPath=/Shops/paulimot/Categories/%22Spannzangen%20%28ER%29%22/ER20
[17:36:03] <Connor> Not that I know of. Wish he would show up.. I have a few questions...
[17:36:34] <Connor> IchGuckLive: $5.00 USD each for mine.
[17:36:48] <IchGuckLive> even better
[17:37:34] <Connor> AND. Interestingly enough, they're labeled Spannzange / collet
[17:37:57] <IchGuckLive> in set 5,8 here if you take 12
[17:38:00] <Connor> and come in clear tubes with yellow endcaps.. I don't think these are Chinese.
[17:38:14] <IchGuckLive> sweden
[17:39:41] <Connor> and they have a mark on the labels O < .008 then < has a line under it..
[17:39:56] <Connor> I think that's the tolerance for the collet size ?
[17:40:06] <Connor> not the run-out..
[17:41:29] <archivist> you can work it out from how many you get in a set what the range is
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[17:43:57] <Connor> http://www.dzsalesllc.com/er20-collets-14piece-set-p/20-cs14.htm
[17:44:13] <Connor> Okay. the .008 was mm
[17:44:19] <Connor> Runout:.008mm/.0003149in TIR
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[17:50:20] <IchGuckLive> Connor: this is the standard on high precision coolets DIN6499
[17:50:52] <Connor> So, Those are good then ?
[17:51:00] <IchGuckLive> i looked at the quality listings in the hardings pdf
[17:51:18] <IchGuckLive> http://www.hardingeus.com/usr/pdf/collet/2351F_tool_holders.pdf
[17:51:23] <IchGuckLive> page 13
[17:53:00] <Connor> OKay.. What am I looking for ?
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[17:53:28] <IchGuckLive> TRi
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[18:10:00] <archivist> before you had linux cnc you needed humans for the automation http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=Women+machine
[18:11:11] <CaptHindsight> if you search for gearboxes, worm gears, gear reduction on ebay with "North America" for location just about everything small <1HP disappears
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[18:12:42] <archivist> but.., http://www.sdp-si.com/ is over there
[18:13:04] <zeeshan-laptop> <-- needs a powerful light source
[18:13:14] <zeeshan-laptop> that overpowers your standard 100w flourescent lights
[18:13:25] <zeeshan-laptop> for a machine vision system
[18:13:34] <zeeshan-laptop> any recommendations? :D
[18:13:43] <CaptHindsight> where do they hide the prices on that German worm gear site?
[18:13:52] <archivist> dunno
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[18:14:19] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: what are you really looking for? why overpower?
[18:14:37] <pcw_home> what area?
[18:14:44] <CaptHindsight> are you getting flicker?
[18:14:45] <archivist> to get a crappy lens to shut down to be usable
[18:20:09] <zeeshan-laptop> CaptHindsight: no
[18:20:18] <zeeshan-laptop> the reflection on the sample throws off the aramis cameras
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[18:20:32] <zeeshan-laptop> so i need a light that overpowers the ambient light
[18:20:37] <zeeshan-laptop> so there is a uniform light distribution on it
[18:21:08] <pcw_home> LED ring light?
[18:21:27] <CaptHindsight> yeah lots of led lights/lamps
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[18:22:09] <CaptHindsight> and add a diffuser
[18:22:09] <zeeshan-laptop> hmm
[18:22:19] <zeeshan-laptop> add diffuser in front of light ymean
[18:22:22] <zeeshan-laptop> you mean
[18:22:27] <zeeshan-laptop> gotcha
[18:23:28] <pcw_home> http://www.dx.com/p/ng-ng-40c-ring-shaped-40w-3166lm-5400k-white-macro-photography-light-black-214589#.U3O0hKGYNoA
[18:24:16] <zeeshan-laptop> fancy
[18:24:17] <zeeshan-laptop> :D
[18:24:32] <CaptHindsight> are you illuminating a large area?
[18:24:46] <zeeshan-laptop> yes
[18:24:51] <zeeshan-laptop> 6"
[18:24:59] <zeeshan-laptop> diameter
[18:25:32] <CaptHindsight> lots of soft lamps available for photography
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[18:26:40] <CaptHindsight> http://www.skaeser.com/servlet/the-782/Photography-Studio-Lighting-425/Detail?gclid=CKeQlIeFrL4CFeY-Mgodqx4Arg or similar
[18:28:16] <CaptHindsight> http://www.skaeser.com/servlet/the-250/Photo-Studio-Tent-30in%2C/Detail these might be an option as well
[18:28:35] <CaptHindsight> not sure what your targets are
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[18:30:16] <archivist> I just bought a bunch of white LEDs and made my own ring light
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[18:32:45] <zeeshan-laptop> im just gonna play around with some led lights
[18:33:59] <CaptHindsight> can you measure your distortions using the shadows?
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[18:53:36] <DaViruz> i'm looking to get a bunch of those rings you mount on 1/8" tooling to set the length, but i can't seem to find any
[18:53:52] <DaViruz> i'm pretty sure i found lots when i wasn't looking
[18:55:05] <archivist> comes on PCB tooling
[18:55:52] <cradek> yeah they come already mounted (I think they're commonly called "depth rings")
[18:56:38] <DaViruz> oh
[18:58:14] <DaViruz> http://www.crownhill.co.uk/level3.php?cat=51
[18:58:35] <archivist> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/10Pcs-PCB-Print-Circuit-Board-Carbide-Micro-Drill-Bits-Tool-0-3mm-to-1-2-mm-New-/121320570508?pt=UK_Home_Garden_PowerTools_SM&hash=item1c3f44fe8c
[18:58:37] <DaViruz> these guys seem to have some, but how are they supposed to be mounted? i was imagining a set screw or clamp type arrangement
[18:58:47] <archivist> press fit
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[18:59:44] <DaViruz> i see
[19:00:36] <DaViruz> preferably i would like some miniature quick change tooling system, but that seems scarce
[19:01:15] <zeeshan-laptop> are smd led much brighter than the tradiational leds?
[19:01:29] <zeeshan-laptop> i see ring lights that make use of either or
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[19:01:55] <CaptHindsight> everything is moving to smt vs thru hole
[19:02:10] <zeeshan-laptop> ive just noticed first hand
[19:02:15] <zeeshan-laptop> that smt leds seem to be brighter?
[19:02:22] <zeeshan-laptop> i dont know if its my esey
[19:02:22] <DaViruz> through hole leds are kind of hard to dissipate heat from
[19:02:28] <zeeshan-laptop> or if its the type of led
[19:02:28] <CaptHindsight> it's just the package, so often the same led die are available in either
[19:02:40] <zeeshan-laptop> ah
[19:02:57] <CaptHindsight> but more are available in SMT
[19:03:17] <zeeshan-laptop> ive been tryig to find 100w ring lights
[19:03:22] <zeeshan-laptop> its not too common
[19:03:24] <zeeshan-laptop> it looks like
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[19:04:59] <zeeshan-laptop> CaptHindsight: do they make smt type of leds
[19:05:02] <zeeshan-laptop> not in ring format
[19:05:04] <zeeshan-laptop> but in a square format?
[19:05:07] <zeeshan-laptop> so you can pack more leds
[19:05:35] <CaptHindsight> the packages are square but they just solder them to a ring shaped circuit board
[19:05:44] <archivist> you can get ready mounted arrays
[19:05:54] <zeeshan-laptop> archivist: is that the keyword i should search?
[19:05:59] <zeeshan-laptop> 'led array'?
[19:06:30] <archivist> some led lamps are cheap enough to raid for the pcb
[19:06:46] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Adjustable-Photography-300-LED-Ring-Light-DSLR-Camera-Video-Camcorder-Lighting-/231230377476?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35d6678e04
[19:07:10] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/48-LED-RECHARGEABLE-VIDEO-CAMERA-MACRO-RING-LIGHT-for-Canon-Nikon-Sony-Studio-/181213349806?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a312847ae
[19:07:20] <zeeshan-laptop> CaptHindsight: not like that
[19:07:23] <zeeshan-laptop> lemme see if i can find a pic
[19:07:39] <zeeshan-laptop> http://www.gom.com/typo3temp/pics/c30a10a68c.jpg
[19:07:46] <zeeshan-laptop> cameras are at an angle
[19:07:50] <zeeshan-laptop> middle is the light
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[19:09:57] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/100W-LED-Cool-white-Power-8000-9000LM-LED-Lamp-SMD-Chips-for-DIY-lights-bulbs-/251530267876?pt=US_Lighting_Parts_and_Accessories&hash=item3a905f4ce4
[19:10:35] <zeeshan-laptop> CaptHindsight: very nice
[19:10:36] <zeeshan-laptop> !!!
[19:10:58] <CaptHindsight> that array is probably 100x 1w leds
[19:11:19] <CaptHindsight> each led is ~1m x 1m
[19:11:39] <zeeshan-laptop> roughly 2"x2" square
[19:11:50] <zeeshan-laptop> thats perfectly
[19:12:06] <zeeshan-laptop> then i can just put a piece of plexi in front of it
[19:12:11] <zeeshan-laptop> that is frosted
[19:12:15] <CaptHindsight> I have a bunch here in UV to Blue
[19:12:26] <CaptHindsight> yeah, to diffuse the light
[19:12:58] <zeeshan-laptop> CaptHindsight: is it blindlingly bright? :D
[19:13:02] <CaptHindsight> you'll also need a constant current power supply and a P4 size heatsink
[19:13:35] <zeeshan-laptop> 3.5A constant power?
[19:13:45] <zeeshan-laptop> see thats a bit confusing to me
[19:13:46] <CaptHindsight> I'd look for a complete lamp vs build it yourself
[19:13:53] <zeeshan-laptop> CaptHindsight: help me find it!
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[19:16:39] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/High-Power-10-30-100W-LED-Flood-light-Warm-White-Outdoor-Spotlight-Lamp-IP65-/350945945693?pt=US_Night_Lights&var=&hash=item51b602285d
[19:18:03] <zeeshan-laptop> dude
[19:18:07] <zeeshan-laptop> thats perfect
[19:18:20] <zeeshan-laptop> 90$
[19:18:21] <zeeshan-laptop> not bad
[19:18:24] <CaptHindsight> i"m not 100% that they come with everything
[19:18:36] <CaptHindsight> have to read the fine print
[19:19:13] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/100W-Warm-White-IP65-Floodlight-High-Power-LED-Flood-Wash-Light-Outdoor-Lamp-SMD-/200933895299
[19:19:41] <zeeshan-laptop> looks like its just the heat sink
[19:19:46] <zeeshan-laptop> and enclosure
[19:19:55] <CaptHindsight> you can buy diffuser for spot light for a few $ a sq ft
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[19:20:22] <zeeshan-laptop> the only problem with it
[19:20:24] <zeeshan-laptop> is its huge
[19:20:35] <CaptHindsight> that last link looks like a complete just ad AC power
[19:20:47] <zeeshan-laptop> 16" x 11"
[19:21:07] <CaptHindsight> well 100 W convection only heat sink
[19:21:30] <zeeshan-laptop> i rather have 6x6" max footprint
[19:21:31] <zeeshan-laptop> with fan
[19:21:33] <CaptHindsight> the LED die has to be <100C to have any life
[19:21:35] <zeeshan-laptop> but ill keep looking
[19:21:46] <CaptHindsight> yeah, dig around now that you what they are
[19:22:08] <zeeshan-laptop> thank you for your help!
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[19:22:46] <CaptHindsight> the LED's are only ~30-50% efficient so 1-2x that power is heat
[19:23:54] <CaptHindsight> 100W or light but 100-200W of heat that you have to dissipate from an area only 1^2 in
[19:27:01] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: 100w led is pretty bright, maybe you only need 16-30w led
[19:27:02] <Jymmm> Tom_itx ping
[19:27:07] <Tom_itx> do those come with the sealed housing?
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[19:27:10] <Tom_itx> pong
[19:27:19] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Non-Dimmable-PAR38-16-Watt-LED-Spot-or-Wide-Angle-Light-Bulb-100W-Replacement-/230963330796
[19:27:36] <zeeshan-laptop> CaptHindsight: check this out
[19:27:40] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: The apex case you have, can a SDD be mounted directly to where the FDD would go or o do oyu need an adapter?
[19:27:48] <Jymmm> err SSD
[19:29:45] <Tom_itx> Jymmm, http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/intel_atom/detail/DSC_0004.JPG
[19:29:49] <Tom_itx> (big)
[19:30:08] <Tom_itx> ssd on the bottom
[19:30:14] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: did you use an adapter to mount it?
[19:30:14] <Tom_itx> i mounted a hdd on the side
[19:30:21] <Tom_itx> it came with one
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[19:30:45] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: maybe http://www.ebay.com/itm/14w-18w-24w-E27-SMD-LED-bulb-light-lamp-Energy-Saving-Ceiling-Spot-Downlight-/321293732809
[19:30:47] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/intel_atom/SSD1.jpg
[19:31:11] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: OH, the SSD came with an adapter, I thought the case did
[19:31:14] <Jymmm> OH*
[19:31:32] <Tom_itx> yep
[19:31:48] <Jymmm> thanks
[19:31:55] <Tom_itx> i think the case came with 2 plastic rails but i can't remember
[19:32:05] <Jymmm> rails for???
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[19:33:29] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/intel_atom/atom2.jpg
[19:33:36] <Tom_itx> to mount a hdd
[19:33:41] <Tom_itx> but i put it sideways there
[19:34:07] <Tom_itx> hard to see the rails there
[19:35:36] <Jymmm> it'sall good.. thank you =)
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[19:37:44] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: is there a fan anywhere?
[19:37:54] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: in the PS ?
[19:37:55] <Tom_itx> nope, just in the psu
[19:38:00] <Jymmm> gotcha
[19:38:17] <Jymmm> the PS does have a fan?
[19:38:35] <Jymmm> doens't show here http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811154091
[19:39:18] <Tom_itx> bottom mounted
[19:39:28] <Jymmm> got it =)
[19:40:01] <Tom_itx> someone linked the replacement PS for them here quite a while back
[19:40:33] <CaptHindsight> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119286 just FYI, these have lots of room and work well, I can also fit a 2nd power supply and 3-axis stepper driver for all in one.
[19:40:43] <Jymmm> nice
[19:41:20] <Tom_itx> probably the same footprint as mine but taller
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[19:42:38] <Tom_itx> does it come with a PS?
[19:43:04] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: But it's cool master
[19:43:49] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: does the front open like a door?
[19:43:58] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: can you mount a 120m fan in there?
[19:44:16] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: does that use a atx PS?
[19:44:23] <Tom_itx> probably push tabs on the front like mine
[19:44:41] <Jymmm> oh, says 120mm radiator in the front
[19:44:44] <CaptHindsight> Jymmm: it has a 120mm fan included in the front
[19:45:10] <CaptHindsight> uses, but does incluse an atx supply
[19:45:19] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: thanks
[19:45:28] <CaptHindsight> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?gclid=CLOQhreWrL4CFaNhMgod7BAAhA&Item=N82E16811208055&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-_-pla-_-Computer+Cases-_-N82E16811208055&ef_id=U3PHhAAABYLIUwlo:20140514194404:s
[19:45:33] <Tom_itx> PS included on mine
[19:45:43] <CaptHindsight> ^^ comes with power supply and only $40
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[19:46:47] <Jymmm> I am just not fond of cool master at all
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[19:47:07] <Jymmm> just a bad reputtion to their products
[19:47:28] <CaptHindsight> haven't had any problems so far
[19:47:56] <CaptHindsight> but these were all cheap <$100 cases
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[19:48:40] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: how can it fit 3x HDD ?
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[19:50:25] <CaptHindsight> use two larger 1.5x drives?
[19:50:41] <Jymmm> LOL, no it says that it can, I just can't see how.
[19:53:35] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Is this a 3.5 or 2.5 hdd?
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[20:10:17] <CaptHindsight> http://www.digitalmachinist.net/workshop no workshop this year
[20:10:52] <CaptHindsight> looks like no Linuxcnc-fest this year either unless somebody has suggestions
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[20:14:05] <cpresser> lets do a linux-cnc-fest in europe :)
[20:16:03] <CaptHindsight> pick a spot
[20:16:16] <CaptHindsight> wasn't there a small one there last year?
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[20:17:24] <cpresser> we could meet up in hamburg during 31C3
[20:17:43] <cpresser> the space is free, and there are a lot of hacker/nerds around
[20:18:04] <CaptHindsight> yeah but thats for nerds :)
[20:18:27] <cpresser> this is also for nerds, its called IRC^^
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[20:21:00] <Deejay__> re
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[20:53:11] <Connor> Building a tool rack for my TTS tools.. what sort of spacing do you think I need ?
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[20:54:10] <Einar1> Varying. Equal spacing enough to hold the biggest tools is a waste of space.
[20:54:54] <Connor> Well, I'm using TTS holders (ER20's and Set Screw)
[20:55:07] <Connor> I don't think I'll have anything super large.. maybe a drill chuck.
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[20:55:21] <Einar1> Or a slitting saw?
[20:55:45] <Connor> I don't think I would leave the blade on a slitting saw..
[20:55:52] <Connor> Probably just keep the arbor..
[20:56:30] <Connor> but, then again, who the hell knows... :)
[20:57:09] <Connor> Adding a shelf to go under the PC. I'll have 17.5" x 26" area to work with.. Would like to keep my most used tooling on it..
[20:57:33] <Connor> not sure if I want to make the shelf solid and make some sort of rack that goes on it.. or just bore holes in the shelf itself.
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[21:29:05] <Deejay> gn8
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[22:28:34] <andypugh> Connor: Do you have a big face mill?
[22:28:49] <andypugh> You can always just ignore the space next to it if you do anyway.
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[22:30:28] <andypugh> You probably want a home for the spare ER20 collets too.
[22:33:55] <Tom_itx> https://www.gcsurplus.ca/mn-eng.cfm?snc=wfsav&sc=enc-bid&scn=159381&lcn=304656&lct=L&srchtype=&lci=&str=26&ltnf=1&frmsr=1&sf=ferm-clos
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[22:42:55] <JT-Shop> well that won't work comp changes _ to - in pin names
[22:45:39] * JT-Shop can't think of a way to test a Mesa config without the cards plugged in :(
[22:46:06] <PCW> buy more cards
[22:47:16] <PCW> what component is missing?
[22:49:11] <JT-Shop> I'm trying to make a simulated component with some of the pins of the 5i25 and 7i76
[22:49:27] <JT-Shop> just so I can work on a different part of the configuration
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[22:50:10] <andypugh> JT-Shop: You may be able to call hal_pin_new directly in the EXTRA_SETUP function.
[22:50:49] <JT-Shop> and it will retain the _ ?
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[22:51:26] <andypugh> Yes. Otherwise how would the original pin names have got there?
[22:51:57] <JT-Shop> ok let me see if I can figure out how to use EXTRA_SETUP()
[22:54:40] <PCW> just need the script that takes a section of halcmd show pin
[22:54:41] <PCW> and makes a dummy python component with the proper I/O
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[22:55:29] <PCW> bit out = led
[22:55:30] <PCW> bit in toggle button
[22:55:32] <PCW> etc
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[22:57:30] <deMimsy> Alright, so this has been bugging me. I should be able to invert the axis display in AXIS by adding the following line to my ini file: "GEOMETRY = -XY-Z" however this seems to have no effect on the system whatsoever
[22:57:37] <JT-Shop> yuck this is worse than the man pages for components http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man3/hal_pin_bit_new.3hal.html
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[22:58:22] <deMimsy> any ideas?
[22:59:34] <deMimsy> I have even added a negative sign for SCALE under AXIS[N] which should invert the movement of my axis, but that doesnt seem to do anything either
[22:59:50] <deMimsy> *[AXIS_N]
[23:00:46] * JT-Shop gives up on hal pin new and tries to figure out what PCW said
[23:01:11] <PCW> pcw was half joking
[23:01:50] <PCW> deMimsy: step/dir or servo machine?
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[23:08:07] <deMimsy> pcw: servo machine
[23:08:55] <PCW> with encoder feedback?
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[23:09:11] <deMimsy> yes, encoder feedback
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[23:09:45] <PCW> so then the first thin is to get the encoder scaling correct (correct direction and scale)
[23:09:50] <PCW> thing
[23:10:22] <andypugh> JT-Shop: Owner Type Dir Value Name
[23:10:22] <andypugh> 5 u32 IN 0x0000007B sim.0.pin1
[23:10:23] <andypugh> 5 u32 OUT 0x0000007B this_is-a_pin
[23:10:40] <andypugh> http://pastebin.com/zbyvV9ZD
[23:11:09] <PCW> does the encoder read correctly?
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[23:11:19] <JT-Shop> andypugh, thanks
[23:11:44] <deMimsy> yep, encoder scaling is correct. however, for the purpose of this project, i need positive encoder increments to just be displayed as negative displacement
[23:11:49] * JT-Shop can cut and paste with the best of them
[23:12:17] <PCW> so its probably not that hard to take the output of halcmd, show pin and munge it into that format
[23:13:24] <zeeshan> its the famous pin
[23:13:27] <zeeshan> 'this is a pin'
[23:13:28] <zeeshan> :D
[23:13:28] <andypugh> deMimsy: -X in Axis ought to work. Is it possible that you are editing the wrong config file. Not that I have /ever/ done that.
[23:14:30] <deMimsy> andypugh: I did double check I was editing the right config file; however -X has no effect
[23:15:44] <JT-Shop> sim_hm2.comp:16: warning: passing argument 3 of ‘hal_pin_u32_new’ from incompatible pointer type
[23:15:45] <JT-Shop> /usr/include/linuxcnc/hal.h:344: note: expected ‘volatile unsigned int **’ but argument is of type ‘unsigned int **’
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[23:16:13] <andypugh> JT-Shop: Yeah, I ignored that :-)
[23:16:19] <JT-Shop> ok
[23:16:59] <JT-Shop> andypugh, ok thanks that works and now I can have more fun
[23:18:10] <andypugh> you need to be a bit careful with the indirection. I am not sure if the component always has to be a singleton. As the example uses “variable *name” for the manually-created pin I think it is actually probably OK.
[23:18:50] <deMimsy> So this page (http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/2.4/html/config_ini_config.html) notes that the Geometery field has no effect without a rotating axis, I only have the X, Y, and Z axis enabled in trajectory. Do I need an A,B, or C axis as well?
[23:19:31] <PCW> deMimsy: what is it you are trying to do?
[23:20:35] <deMimsy> simply change the sign in front of the X and Z outputs that is shown in the AXIS DRO tab
[23:21:23] <deMimsy> essentially just invert the display of the axises
[23:21:56] <andypugh> G10 L10 R180 ?
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[23:23:30] <deMimsy> That would only work if I ran it as an MDI command everytime after homing
[23:23:46] <deMimsy> and doesnt seem to change the display
[23:24:06] <andypugh> Sorry, I always get them mixed up. expected ‘volatile unsigned int **’ but argument is of type ‘unsigned int **’
[23:24:17] <andypugh> And I can’t copy and paste from a VM either....
[23:24:42] <andypugh> G10 L2 P1 R180 just did what you might want for me.
[23:25:03] <deMimsy> did you run it as an mdi command?
[23:25:07] <andypugh> Yes
[23:26:01] <andypugh> The cursor keys still move the tool as expected, but the numbers go the other way.
[23:34:58] <deMimsy> andypugh, aright, ran it on my system and it seems to do exactly what I need, thanks!!!
[23:35:40] <deMimsy> and it should hold inbetween instances of running....just wondering if it is going to change anything else later down the road
[23:35:57] <deMimsy> or worse, anything else I already implemented
[23:36:09] <andypugh> I am not sure, and you would need to check that it has the right effect as far as G-code motion is concerned.
[23:36:10] <deMimsy> but thank you so much!
[23:37:55] <deMimsy> Currently all my gcode is prefaced with G53, just as a precaution
[23:38:08] <deMimsy> so i dont think it will change any of that
[23:38:17] <deMimsy> just worried about homing sequences...
[23:38:27] <deMimsy> but those seem to be fine for now
[23:39:23] <andypugh> Not knowing why you want what you seem to want it is hard to tell if coordinate rotation is the real answer.
[23:43:42] <andypugh> Night all
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