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[00:52:29] <Jymmm> http://www.wimp.com/luckiestman/
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[02:19:45] <witnit> robinsz I need a 3phase drive for 1, possibly three ac servos, got any thing you want to come off of?
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[03:09:15] <witnit> [ 1415.320317] hm2_7i90.0: firmware: requesting hm2/7i90/7i90_epp_sv12.bit
[03:09:15] <witnit> [ 1415.323224] hm2/hm2_7i90.0: board has FPGA '3s400tq144', but the firmware in hm2/7i90/7i90_epp_sv12.bit is for FPGA '6slx9tqg144'
[03:09:52] <witnit> what did I do wrong :/
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[03:11:48] <pcw_home> specified firmware in the config string
[03:12:18] <witnit> yeah, Im lost again I was not supposed to since I flashed it manually?
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[03:13:17] <pcw_home> you dont specify the firmware for cards that have it built-in (like the 7I90)
[03:13:31] <witnit> heh, Ill learn someday man
[03:13:34] <witnit> hahah someday
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[03:26:06] <witnit> Thank you :) encoders and such are doing things now
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[05:41:07] <CaptHindsight> too bad it's $598
http://linuxgizmos.com/rugged-com-express-module-pairs-i-mx6-with-altera-fpga/
[05:43:25] <witnit> I wonder if its possible to build two systems each with their own plug and go kit but interfaced into the same hardware and one system could act as a redundancy for the other.
[05:43:53] <witnit> so you could hotswap any computer components anytime
[05:44:09] <witnit> without shutting down a whole line
[05:44:59] <witnit> it seems critical in some industries
[05:45:49] <toastyde2th> it is, and it is done
[05:45:52] <toastyde2th> usually with three systems
[05:46:01] <witnit> awesome
[05:46:19] <witnit> has it been done with mesa?
[05:46:23] <toastyde2th> no idea
[05:46:33] <toastyde2th> i'm only familiar with the broad idea
[05:46:34] <witnit> I should bug pcw_home about it
[05:46:37] <toastyde2th> not any particular systems
[05:46:52] <toastyde2th> my understanding is that it's really hard to do
[05:46:56] <CaptHindsight> it depends on how much redundancy you want
[05:47:24] <CaptHindsight> 2nd pc and mesa cards and motor drivers or where do you draw the line?
[05:47:27] <witnit> well im talking from the daughtercard to the apc
[05:47:31] <witnit> yeah drivers too
[05:47:48] <witnit> but motors and encoders would have to be stacked and thats not affordable unless required
[05:48:09] <CaptHindsight> or even gave the space
[05:48:15] <witnit> right
[05:48:24] <CaptHindsight> is this a surgical robot or something? :)
[05:48:44] <witnit> I was thinking something along the lines of a train
[05:48:51] <witnit> but haha I dunno whatever you need it for
[05:48:58] <toastyde2th> in sattelites and other very critical stuff they use a three-computer voting system
[05:49:07] <witnit> ahh
[05:49:14] <witnit> fair enough
[05:49:16] <toastyde2th> where if two of the three computer attempt to take the same action, it occurs
[05:49:25] <toastyde2th> *computers
[05:49:38] <toastyde2th> the hardware redundancy exists in some cases but is usually fully parallel
[05:49:42] <toastyde2th> like hydraulics
[05:49:54] <witnit> I was just trying to think of a modular based for the mesa cards
[05:49:56] <toastyde2th> and they're mechanically coupled so that if one isn't acting, it doesn't impede the backups
[05:49:57] <CaptHindsight> the banksters used to have lockstep dual cpu's for all financial trades
[05:50:10] <CaptHindsight> they probably don't bother anymore
[05:51:29] <toastyde2th> also with similar voting systems
[05:51:38] <toastyde2th> one of the three computers has a completely seperate codebase
[05:51:59] <CaptHindsight> heh, now they just have random number generators or swap values :)
[05:54:40] <CaptHindsight> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=271471024038 such a deal!
[05:55:21] <CaptHindsight> down from $3000
[05:55:25] <witnit> im too far :/
[05:55:45] <witnit> if you ever see deals near indiana, hit me up :)
[05:56:15] <CaptHindsight> you mean after I drag it home? :)
[05:56:37] <witnit> I have a nice big place to store your good finds =D
[05:57:13] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/370729400325
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[05:58:03] <witnit> chucker though :/
[05:58:29] <witnit> too bad not a barloader
[05:58:52] <witnit> still well worth it probably just for components
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[05:59:25] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/6-SPINDLE-ALLEN-MULTIPLE-SPINDLE-DRILL-SVDP25-/370729447797
[06:00:30] <CaptHindsight> crazy stuff
[06:01:23] <witnit> yeah
[06:01:42] <witnit> I just watched two 3-1/2 inch 6 spindle acmes each go for 3,000
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[06:02:14] <toastyde2th> it's hard to beat overseas pricing on screw shop jobs
[06:03:05] <witnit> yeah, I do okay though, it seems the work is becoming more plenty and im taking away single spindle cnc jobs =D
[06:03:31] <witnit> davenports are still very affordable and can do some rather complex work
[06:03:42] <toastyde2th> yeah, lathe shops that have never heard of a screw machine are shocked when someone can beat them
[06:03:55] <toastyde2th> or a shave tool, for that matter
[06:04:00] <witnit> yeah
[06:04:03] <witnit> shave is gold
[06:04:08] <witnit> boxtool is gold
[06:04:28] <witnit> 3 second time on a 4 inch part is gold
[06:04:34] <toastyde2th> one of my long-term goals when i am 60 and have a well-stocked home shop
[06:04:41] <toastyde2th> is to learn to make shave tools the old fashioned way
[06:04:51] <witnit> the old fashioned way?
[06:05:02] <toastyde2th> grinder with a visual comparator on it
[06:05:13] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/KITAMURA-Mycenter-2-Vertical-CNC-FOR-PARTS-ONLY-/321371699409
[06:05:13] <witnit> oh, yeah its not hard :)
[06:05:14] <toastyde2th> and a radius dresser
[06:05:27] <witnit> yes I make mine like so
[06:05:59] <toastyde2th> i've done very little grinder work, so i have no idea
[06:06:03] <toastyde2th> i will take your word for it though
[06:06:05] <witnit> they have circular forms
[06:06:10] <witnit> those are fun
[06:06:47] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mori-Seiki-MH-40-/321396948356 $4,500.00 Mori-Seiki MH-40 w/11M controls
[06:07:18] <toastyde2th> shit yeah
[06:07:26] <toastyde2th> i'd take that in a second
[06:07:36] <toastyde2th> i love old mori seiki shit
[06:07:38] <witnit> I keep bookmarking them for when i have more money haah
[06:07:53] <witnit> I will be a collector of machines some day im sure
[06:08:09] <CaptHindsight> just a bit too small for me, I have parts 24" and just over :(
[06:08:45] <witnit> http://www.internationalscrew.com/images/Products_Services/circular_form_tools_circular_shave_tools.jpg
[06:09:02] <witnit> you do those between centers
[06:09:59] <witnit> instead of a dovetail shave which you do on a surface grinder
[06:11:19] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/BMC20-HURCO-Three-Axis-CNC-Vertical-Machining-Center-New-1989-/321395675712 BMC20 HURCO
[06:11:57] <witnit> I would offer 1250
[06:12:05] <witnit> watch em squirm
[06:13:04] <toastyde2th> you can find functioning shit for that price, though
[06:13:08] <witnit> yep
[06:13:33] <witnit> people throw out machines that are 4-5 times that ones value because of bad relay
[06:13:35] <toastyde2th> like, imho, if you can get functional hardware with a functional control for the price, get it and keep the control
[06:13:54] <toastyde2th> i don't understand throwing out fucking fantastic controls just for funsies
[06:14:23] <witnit> cost of repair is greater than value of machine?
[06:14:34] <toastyde2th> there's no cost of repair if everything's working
[06:14:44] <toastyde2th> like okay, if it explodes i can understand then replacing the control
[06:15:02] <toastyde2th> but i saw people both at my work and in here throw out completely functioning controls
[06:15:16] <toastyde2th> to tack on some other thing that doesn't have half the features
[06:15:28] <toastyde2th> and is a nightmare to set up
[06:15:39] <witnit> :P
[06:16:02] <CaptHindsight> but give someone a raise.... never ... but chucking a good machine fora bad relay, no problem
[06:16:22] <witnit> all my build have been from scratch, I dont know what other controls look like
[06:16:31] <witnit> never seen or used any of the known stuff
[06:16:57] <toastyde2th> fanuc's motion control is top notch, even in the older controls
[06:17:00] <witnit> just linuxcnc and used mesa cards and then all random motors amp encodersd
[06:17:23] <toastyde2th> and it has really, really, REALLY useful canned cycles that 3rd party controls (linuxcnc included) just don't have
[06:17:32] <witnit> i bet
[06:17:47] <toastyde2th> their new controls are fucking insane and i can't begin to describe how amazing they are
[06:17:53] <witnit> we need more people on this bandwagon building core pieces
[06:18:03] <toastyde2th> plus fanuc and yasnac have always been about the setup
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[06:18:15] <toastyde2th> and nobody else gets the setup as good as either one of those
[06:18:47] <witnit> i feel the only way to surpass such things its make the entire linuxcnc structure modular
[06:18:56] <toastyde2th> i'm not a programmer, so i can't comment
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[07:54:53] <Deejay> moin
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[10:41:42] <MrSun_> hmm so .. got a HB04 (wired) pendant in the mail today ... now to get it working with linuxcnc .. .any tips? :P
[10:41:54] <MrSun_> theres lots about the wireless but i find nothing about the wired :/
[10:43:36] <MrSun_> or does it work just the same ?
[10:43:47] <MrSun_> so no matter if its wireless or wired the data is the same ?
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[10:55:55] <MrSun_> aparently is supposed to work also using the cabled version
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[10:56:06] <MrSun_> oh well, configuration and hope i do not crash the machine in the process :P
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[11:20:01] <Loetmichel> *cough* *sniff* That was too much chili in the taiwanese shrimp flavour noodles soup ... *lips burning*
[11:20:40] <Loetmichel> ... again... ;-)
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[11:30:17] <skunkworks> issues with quality control?
[11:30:28] <skunkworks> pjm, hows things?
[11:30:58] <Loetmichel> skunkworks: issues with chili poweder dosage ;-9
[11:31:09] <skunkworks> ah - self control..
[11:31:39] <Loetmichel> i should have learned by now that all of the provided powder in the small bags is WAY to much ;-9
[11:32:05] <Loetmichel> it isnt the firs soup... aand it wount be tha last ;-9
[11:32:12] <Loetmichel> http://i.imgur.com/ALW0B01.jpg
[11:32:16] <Loetmichel> ups, wromg
[11:32:26] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14805
[11:32:33] <Loetmichel> that is the right link
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[11:50:34] <pjm> skunkworks: ah yeah not too bad thanks, still tweaking and fiddling with my mill
[11:50:56] <pjm> although just contemplating effort needed to replace x and y leadscrews / ballnuts with something more precision
[11:50:58] <skunkworks> pjm, never ending... :)
[11:51:11] <pjm> lol yeah , problem as always is lack of time
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[12:18:52] <ReadError> dumb question
[12:19:05] <ReadError> is there any gcode command to change the feedover ride level?
[12:19:33] <ReadError> I know I shouldnt be using it, set the feedrate in the code right the 1st time
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[12:20:56] <jdh> seems unlikely. If you need to change it in code, change the F
[12:26:23] <boonkerz> hi
[12:26:37] <boonkerz> how can i test on commandline if modbus working?
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[16:22:40] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[16:22:49] <ktchk> Hi
[16:23:14] <IchGuckLive> boonkerz: what version are you using on what os
[16:23:29] <boonkerz> plugin runs i think
[16:23:32] <IchGuckLive> ktchk: how is the weather in HK
[16:23:38] <CaptHindsight> http://imagebin.org/309199 vga microscope 0.004" gap, Sobel edge detect
[16:23:50] <ktchk> good
[16:24:03] <IchGuckLive> boonkerz: so all is clear
[16:24:08] <ktchk> linuxcnc 2.5.4 is good
[16:24:08] <CaptHindsight> http://imagebin.org/309105 vga microscope 0.004" gap, Sobel edge detect
[16:24:36] <IchGuckLive> ktchk: on servo its a boost
[16:24:42] <CaptHindsight> http://imagebin.org/309107 also 0.004" (100um) gap
[16:25:07] <ktchk> i_tarzan: you like servos..
[16:25:22] <ktchk> IchGuckLive: you like servos..
[16:25:32] <CaptHindsight> http://imagebin.org/309060 6mil (150um) PCB trace, vga microscope
[16:25:33] <IchGuckLive> i inly use steppers
[16:25:59] <IchGuckLive> ktchk: now there is a train running dayli from chongching to germany
[16:26:19] <boonkerz> but my spindle do not run :(
[16:26:27] <boonkerz> modbus communication red bubble
[16:26:28] <CaptHindsight> http://imagebin.org/309193 vga, 130um plated PCB hole
[16:26:34] <ktchk> IchGuckLive: oriental express
[16:26:58] <IchGuckLive> boonkerz: what spindel
[16:27:28] <IchGuckLive> ktchk: no i think its BAM
[16:27:37] <boonkerz> Huanyang
[16:27:45] <boonkerz> controller
[16:27:49] <ktchk> IchGuckLive: there is steppers controllers with feedback
[16:27:54] <IchGuckLive> why are you driving this in modebus
[16:28:18] <boonkerz> 485 converter
[16:28:47] <IchGuckLive> huanyang is best to use analog +-10V
[16:29:23] <IchGuckLive> ktchk: yes there are but what do you expect as a feedback
[16:29:58] <IchGuckLive> ktchk: you can run steppers in servo mod
[16:30:17] <ktchk> IchGuckLive: need a special contgrolle
[16:30:30] <ktchk> controller
[16:31:12] <IchGuckLive> boonkerz:
http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/10-advanced-configuration/26574-control-a-huanyang-vfd-inverter-with-linux-cnc
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[16:33:37] <ktchk> IchGuckLive: leadshine is making one
[16:35:02] <IchGuckLive> i know but there are cheeper servo boards with stepdir
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[16:41:38] <IchGuckLive> ktchk: you shoudt get a shop runing by desambled cheep 3020 6040 on request postal
[16:41:56] <IchGuckLive> tabaao stuff ;-)
[16:44:01] <ktchk> IchGuckLive: I have a workshop if you like 6040 I can ship you one
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[16:44:32] <IchGuckLive> jdh is looking for one i got so many here
[16:45:50] <IchGuckLive> jdh: ?
[16:45:53] <ktchk> IchGuckLive: you remember I work with Sie.. before
[16:46:12] <IchGuckLive> yes i doo
[16:46:41] <IchGuckLive> but now as a direct service i going to switch to chonching not HK on delivering parts
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[16:48:27] <IchGuckLive> ktchk: oh by the eway L297/298 controllers for 3USD are not on sail here do you got connections
[16:48:38] <ktchk> IchGuckLive: 6040 is made in gongdong whunan see www.yoocnc.com
[16:49:16] <ktchk> IchGuckLive: 6560 controller is 8us
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[16:50:42] <Einar> I just bought some stepper drives, Ebay item 261374073967. Also want a 2.2KW motor. Anyone here know if this guy sell good stuff? Maybe I should say reasonable. At those prices I don't expect KaVo. ;-)
[16:51:35] <Einar> Do they all come from the same factory?
[16:55:32] <ktchk> Einar:
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.81.owo7Ey&id=15852630726 How is this
[16:57:05] <CaptHindsight> Einar: you never know unless you know the vendor well, there are lots of pretty exact copies if the brand has recognition
[16:57:05] <IchGuckLive> ktchk:
http://s.taobao.com/search?q=L298&commend=all&ssid=s5-e&search_type=mall&sourceId=tb.index&spm=a215z.7106357.5803581.d4908513
[16:57:46] <Einar> ktchk: Looks good. One thing I notice is that it bears a brand name. If it's a good brand I don't know, but it's a good sign anyway. How much is 950 in $ ?
[16:58:30] <ktchk> Einar: 950 is yuen
[16:58:49] <IchGuckLive> div 6
[16:58:54] <CaptHindsight> rmb to $ is ~ 6.2:1
[17:00:15] <ktchk> Einar: you ebay contact is quoting in english pound
[17:00:21] <Einar> So 950 is $150 appx. Is that spindle available on Ebay too? I don't know Taoabao.
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[17:01:29] <IchGuckLive> ktchk: i need 4 pc of the l298 what is your price including shipment
[17:01:38] <ktchk> Einar: taobao is chinese market they ship to all china cheaper and payment will be easier from chinese account
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[17:01:49] <Einar> ktchk: Yes. Does not really matter much, I'll pay in NOK. ;-)
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[17:02:00] <ktchk> IchGuckLive: have tocheck 298 price
[17:02:03] <CaptHindsight> that router has nuts on the ballscews but I wonder if they have a captured bearing on the motor end or if they just use the stepper motor for support
[17:02:23] <IchGuckLive> 8.5yuan
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[17:03:18] <ktchk> IchGuckLive: from which contact?
[17:03:27] <ktchk> Einar: NOK???
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[17:03:44] <IchGuckLive> ktchk: there are many on that price
[17:04:26] <IchGuckLive> http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=18398691674&ali_refid=a3_420434_1006:1103338960:6:L298:c410dae8c2c4a5249f601cfc34090f11&ali_trackid=1_c410dae8c2c4a5249f601cfc34090f11&spm=a230r.1.17.6.wfLLfl
[17:06:10] <ktchk> IchGuckLive: that is dc motor drive for arduino
[17:06:20] <IchGuckLive> yes
[17:08:10] <ktchk> IchGuckLive: go chat
[17:10:27] <witnit> is anyone familiar with servo valves? any special information I should know about them?
[17:10:50] <ktchk> Einar: NOK??
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[17:13:02] <Einar> ktchk: Yes, NOK is the currency in Norway. So it does not matter if price is GBP, USD or whatever. I'll have to transfer NOK.
[17:13:15] <Einar> And Paypal will convert it.
[17:13:52] <Einar> witnit: Propostional valves? They requre very special drivers.
[17:14:00] <ktchk> Einar: with a charge and do not pay taobao only ebay with a charge also
[17:14:23] <witnit> thanks Einar, I thought maybe so
[17:14:35] <witnit> how about the feedback?
[17:15:19] <Einar> They output the value with a frequency "on top of it". It's called dithering and is necessary to overcome stiction.
[17:16:03] <Einar> Feedback can be one of many differerent. Just like with a motor.
[17:17:20] <Einar> The dithering will effectively "shake" the valve around your setting.
[17:17:46] <Einar> An on/off valve does not need this.
[17:20:00] <Einar> witnit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aq35FD01bZ0
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[17:23:43] <witnit> Einar www.ebay.com/itm/281326570288
[17:24:07] <witnit> I thought I should make the investment and learn the hardware later
[17:25:05] <zeeshan> fancy valves
[17:25:05] <zeeshan> :P
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[17:26:12] <Einar> It would not surprise me if the dithering can be software generated in LinuxCNC or in one of the Mesa cards.
[17:26:14] <witnit> I have a machine which uses hydraulics on the slide, I thought maybe I could just control them with these and a linear scale instead of using a ballscrew
[17:26:21] <witnit> exactly my thoughts
[17:27:22] <Einar> Hydraulics can be very fine in its responses. I can pick nails out of wood with mys mall excavator.
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[17:28:50] <Einar> But the parts are expensive. Everything from valves through cylinders to fittings!
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[17:30:51] <Einar> Also sensitive to dirt. Those valves may cost a fortune to overhaul if there's a tiny speck of dirt in it.
[17:34:31] <IchGuckLive> boonkerz: all clear
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[17:44:53] <Loetmichel> Einar: tell me about it
[17:45:45] <IchGuckLive> hi Loetmichel still no flashlight delivered
[17:45:57] <Loetmichel> my ex boss had a semi truck with 15 metric tons crane on it, the crane radio controlled. i had to change about 50 proportional valves
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[17:46:09] <Loetmichel> IchGuckLive: so tell ebay
[17:46:39] <IchGuckLive> 1 more week i will wait
[17:46:44] <Loetmichel> not coorect, the valves were good, the electric heads burned all the time
[17:46:50] <Loetmichel> (literally!)
[17:47:19] <Loetmichel> italian quality... 'nuff said ;-)
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[17:48:30] <IchGuckLive> hi FrankZappa
[17:48:36] <FrankZappa> hi
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[17:49:05] <IchGuckLive> German ?
[17:49:37] <FrankZappa> no, englische
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[17:49:54] <IchGuckLive> ;-)
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[17:50:38] <FrankZappa> Ich kann kein Deutsch
[17:50:48] <IchGuckLive> O.o
[17:51:17] <FrankZappa> Ich kann die Sprache nicht Deutsch sprechen?
[17:51:33] <IchGuckLive> if you got a question go ahead
[17:52:07] <FrankZappa> any suggestions for custom-fabricating edging out of simple materials-processes for expanded metal grating?
[17:52:36] <FrankZappa> My friend has access to a brake but he reports we can't fold the work back on itself very tightly
[17:53:05] <FrankZappa> something like this, but it doesn't have to be rolled edge necessarily... just cap the end of the sheet.
http://www.nilesexpandedmetals.com/nem/u-edging.asp
[17:53:55] <FrankZappa> we could do 90 degree bend on the brake, then kickshear possibly
[17:54:08] <IchGuckLive> this is mostly done in endless rollforming
[17:55:07] <FrankZappa> ic
[17:55:21] <FrankZappa> we don't have any kind of access to that gear
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[17:55:46] <_methods> saw tubing in half
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[17:55:53] <FrankZappa> we are hobbyists bootstrapping hopefully to a "thing" we make and duplicate
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[17:56:11] <FrankZappa> methods I considered that
[17:56:20] <FrankZappa> that might be the right way to go.
[17:56:25] <_methods> thin wall tubing
[17:56:41] <voxadam> I'd bend it as far as your brake can manage then use a mallet
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[17:56:52] <witnit> _methods 3700 parts and climbing
[17:56:58] <_methods> jesus
[17:57:00] <_methods> nice
[17:57:03] <FrankZappa> if the exmet is thin, can you recommend what kind of tubing to use? I'm not used to seeing common 1/4" dia thin wall around
[17:57:34] <FrankZappa> voxadam that was the other thing we were thinking. He says we can do 45 degree acute for short runs
[17:57:49] <FrankZappa> I'm in the states
[17:57:50] <_methods> how long?
[17:57:55] <FrankZappa> sorry I should have said that sooner
[17:58:06] <voxadam> FrankZappa: A tool like this will bend 180 by hand.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwqkdY9PFEM
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[17:58:26] <FrankZappa> _methods we will have hundreds of feet
[17:58:34] <_methods> ah
[17:58:57] <_methods> why not just get channel?
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[17:59:09] <IchGuckLive> FrankZappa: there are Wood table bends available in different sizes on that form
[17:59:19] <witnit> clever bends
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[17:59:41] <voxadam> If you're goign to do hundreds of feet and don't want to buy the tooling to do it why not just have a local sheet metal shop do it?
[17:59:44] <IchGuckLive> used in school tables office ....
[18:00:03] <voxadam> I HVAC contractor might be able to help you.
[18:00:17] <FrankZappa> voxadam I'm sold on the versa-bender
[18:00:30] <FrankZappa> that's all we'd need in terms of thickness
[18:00:31] <witnit> yeah that thing is sick
[18:00:52] <Einar> What kind of brake do you have? One way to do it is to bend 90. Then squeeze using the clamping bar. Put a strip of metal in between to avoid squeezing completely flat.
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[18:01:34] <voxadam> I'd never heard of the Versa until you brought this up but they look cool as hell. Now I just need a project that requires sheet metal so I can justify buying one.
[18:01:40] <IchGuckLive> FrankZappa: do you need endless or 60" max
[18:01:45] <FrankZappa> Einar - thanks, great suggestion. I'm the designer, tho, and am amateur at machine processes
[18:02:00] <jdh> I thoguht you were a dead 'musician'
[18:02:01] <witnit> yeah but you know your way around a guitar
[18:02:01] <FrankZappa> IchGuckLive we can handle seams
[18:02:11] <voxadam> Uh... wow... The Versa may be cool but it's not cheap.
http://www.stortz.com/OnlineStore/ProductDetail/ProductID/13414/versa_hammer.aspx
[18:02:14] <FrankZappa> so yeah 60" is ok
[18:02:31] <witnit> I thought you were a"dead" musician [FIXXED]
[18:02:33] <FrankZappa> hehe
[18:02:50] <IchGuckLive> then go at a KNUTH form pressing type production that is all over the USA
[18:03:18] <IchGuckLive> most metal shops got them in stock
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[18:03:56] <IchGuckLive> lots of can handle 75"
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[18:04:13] <voxadam> Knuth? As in Donald Knuth the crazy smart computer scientist?
[18:04:32] <FrankZappa> awesome, will do. Thanks everyone. If my partner doesn't accept these solutions I'll tell him to go catalog shopping.
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[18:04:48] <voxadam> FrankZappa: Or you could just get a new partner.
[18:04:55] <FrankZappa> nah he's great.
[18:05:10] <_methods> you can get an old hand brake for cheap usually
[18:05:12] <voxadam> Then I recommend getting him drunk.
[18:05:14] <_methods> check craigslist
[18:05:21] <_methods> if you're bending thin stuff like that
[18:05:50] <_methods> youc an overbend and flatten on hand/finger brakes
[18:06:32] <voxadam> This guy should be able to solve all your sheet metal issues:
http://bit.ly/1bLsd3a
[18:06:35] <FrankZappa> I like this channel a whole lot.
[18:06:51] <voxadam> FrankZappa: I told you #LinuxCNC was good people.
[18:06:53] <IchGuckLive> where in the USA are you State
[18:06:57] <FrankZappa> NC
[18:07:02] <voxadam> The mailing list is great too.
[18:07:05] <_methods> heh cool SC here
[18:07:07] <_methods> charleston
[18:07:09] <FrankZappa> thanks voxadam
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[18:07:14] <FrankZappa> onice
[18:07:22] <jdh> I need to go to charleston
[18:07:22] <FrankZappa> yeah my partner goes to SC often
[18:07:29] <FrankZappa> to buy gear
[18:07:33] <_methods> nice and hot today
[18:07:37] <_methods> 92 thank god
[18:07:41] <jdh> I go to sell shark teeth
[18:07:45] <voxadam> FrankZappa: Have you checked to see if any of your local hackerspaces have the equipment that you need
[18:07:50] <_methods> yeah we got lots of shark teeth
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[18:08:03] <FrankZappa> voxadam there are none / we are that
[18:08:06] <_methods> i got a couple big ones from behind my house
[18:08:11] <voxadam> Ah.
[18:08:31] <jdh> cool
[18:08:36] <_methods> where at in NC?
[18:08:37] <jdh> I have to go 40 miles offshore for mine.
[18:08:41] <FrankZappa> mtns
[18:08:44] <_methods> ah cool
[18:08:56] <zeeshan> FrankZappa:
[18:09:01] <jdh> Frank: I'm in Wilmington
[18:09:01] <_methods> yeah probably nearest makerspace for you would be winston or charlotte
[18:09:03] <zeeshan> if youre specifically trying to make those U shapes
[18:09:12] <zeeshan> we made those using dies at my old company
[18:09:18] <_methods> ah damn cool lots of people near
[18:09:19] <zeeshan> on a regular press
[18:09:23] <FrankZappa> cool, I like Wilmington, great vibe. Haven't been there in years.
[18:09:36] <_methods> yeah i love that bar that has the swing in it
[18:09:45] <_methods> place was awesome
[18:10:02] <FrankZappa> _methods we have a mill, a lathe, a small shop, and a bunch of other stuff available
[18:10:08] <_methods> people swingin over the bar lol
[18:10:16] <IchGuckLive> FrankZappa: bennet hall charlot NC
[18:10:25] <FrankZappa> we're trying to make a big art peiece that's like an adult playground
[18:10:37] <FrankZappa> minus the sexual connotation
[18:10:44] <_methods> hehe
[18:10:52] <Einar> You can also make them in a beadroller/jenny. But it takes some training to get it straight.
[18:11:14] <FrankZappa> IchGuckLive danke :)
[18:11:29] <_methods> yeah if you're just looking to cover the exposed edge of the expanded metal there are plenty of ways to do it
[18:11:48] <_methods> you could even just weld rod on the side
[18:11:59] <_methods> 1/4 rod all the way down
[18:12:01] <IchGuckLive> NP there are 6 press break forming services in NC
[18:12:29] <MrSunshine> a .comp file in linuxcnc .. is that something that is built in while building linuxcnc ?
[18:12:46] <FrankZappa> _methods how would that "cover" and edge, esp if it was fuzzy/deformed a bit?
[18:12:58] <Einar> Like the crazy swede:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSSlAxS6mm4&list=PL2DD502E1AB7784E0&index=2
[18:13:05] <_methods> well it would be the edge at taht point
[18:13:10] <FrankZappa> I wanted something that made sure to mechanically trim over the fringe, no matter what the fringe imension was.
[18:13:11] <IchGuckLive> MrSunshine: its a file that can make your own component work
[18:13:19] <zeeshan> if you wanna go cheap
[18:13:24] <zeeshan> you can use plastic moulding
[18:13:26] <IchGuckLive> MrSunshine: look at THCUD
[18:13:44] <FrankZappa> *dimension. Yeah I'm visualizing it now, _methods. we'd want cheap sheet rather than that, I think.
[18:13:51] <zeeshan> http://www.panduit.com/heiler/ApplicationImages/wdmGEEF-lb.jpg
[18:13:53] <zeeshan> that kind of stuff
[18:13:56] <_methods> yeah
[18:13:57] <zeeshan> comes in many many different shapes
[18:14:00] <zeeshan> and rubber form too
[18:14:05] <zeeshan> and its dirt cheap
[18:14:08] <MrSunshine> trying to get the xhc-sim examples working on my real linuxcnc installation .. (older linuxcnc) and it complains about xhc-hb04-utils or something like that, and thats a ".comp" file in the linuxcnc tree
[18:14:21] <zeeshan> http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTI0NFgxNjAw/z/mmoAAMXQO21Rwzio/$(KGrHqNHJFQFGuIyNOt4BRwzio1nSw~~60_35.JPG
[18:14:23] <zeeshan> another style
[18:14:24] <zeeshan> :D
[18:14:45] <FrankZappa> great suggestion, zeeshan, but this will be used also on foot-traffic surfaces, so would need to be mild steel methinks
[18:15:06] <FrankZappa> I'm making a bunch of metal stairs n catwalks
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[18:15:21] <zeeshan> ah
[18:15:28] <MrSunshine> so can i add a .comp file to my existing installation ? IchGuckLive ?
[18:15:47] <_methods> http://www.directmetals.com/dm/expanded_metal_uedging.asp
[18:15:54] <_methods> and you don't want to buy that?
[18:16:10] <IchGuckLive> FrankZappa: we make Thikns like channel s for floors
http://www.ebay.de/itm/like/190638401907?lpid=106&_configDebug=ViewItemDictionary.ENABLE_PAYMENTS_IN_HLP:true&hlpht=true&ops=true&viphx=1
[18:16:37] <FrankZappa> _methods I'll quote it, for sure. But I bet my local slitter + our "interns" can beat the price
[18:16:49] <IchGuckLive> MrSunshine: yes you need to compile it in the DEV mode
[18:17:03] <MrSunshine> huh ? -... DEV mode? =)
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[18:17:36] <MrSunshine> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man1/comp.1.html
[18:18:41] <IchGuckLive> sudo apt-get install linuxcnc-dev
[18:18:53] <IchGuckLive> sudo comp --install your.comp
[18:18:57] <MrSunshine> ahh =)
[18:19:05] <MrSunshine> oki so no need to recompile whole linuxcnc then =)
[18:19:06] <MrSunshine> goodie
[18:19:14] <IchGuckLive> no
[18:19:20] <MrSunshine> gonna continue to check on it tomorrow, waiting for a girl to call ;)
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[18:19:34] <MrSunshine> thanks alot tho =)
[18:19:37] <IchGuckLive> ;-) look on the THCUD example
[18:20:28] <MrSunshine> got the comp file, just didnt know how to get it installed =)
[18:20:34] <MrSunshine> (not me making the program .. =)
[18:22:11] <IchGuckLive> MrSunshine: in hal you load it up by loadrt yourcompname
[18:22:36] <IchGuckLive> then you will see the pins and things it is making in halmonitor
[18:23:03] <IchGuckLive> it is best workaround to giv yourr comp a servo tread
[18:23:18] <IchGuckLive> addf yourcompname servo-thread
[18:23:32] <IchGuckLive> so im off for today BYE
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[18:23:53] <FrankZappa> IchGuckLive schön
[18:24:14] <FrankZappa> oop just missedim
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[19:40:58] <cradek> how do I tell whether my screws are #3-56 or M2.5-0.45
[19:41:17] <cradek> or does it matter
[19:41:40] <JT-Shop> are they that close in size and pitch?
[19:42:21] <cradek> their thread mates with #2-56 screws and the OD is right at 0.100"
[19:42:36] <cradek> but MH says 0.100 is a tiny bit big for #3-56
[19:43:08] <JT-Shop> I have some of both let me look at them
[19:43:52] <cradek> wow, I could find neither
[19:43:58] <cradek> your shop is superior to mine
[19:44:09] <CaptHindsight> m2.5 is right on 0.1"
[19:44:19] <cradek> yeah so is #3
[19:44:33] <cradek> I bet it doesn't matter (I am surprised they are so similar)
[19:44:46] <Connor> which is MORE common? :)
[19:44:48] <CaptHindsight> so the real question is, does it matter? How far will they engage each other?
[19:45:03] <Connor> #3 isn't very common..
[19:45:10] <Connor> #2-56 is...
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[19:45:22] <cradek> 3-48 is common, 3-56 not so much
[19:46:22] <JT-Shop> a 3-56 will not screw into a 2.5-0.45 nut but a 2.5 screw will fit into a 3-56 nut
[19:46:43] <cradek> thanks! I can't believe you have both
[19:46:44] <CaptHindsight> 25.4 / 56 = 0.453"
[19:46:47] <cradek> I will get the metric then
[19:46:54] <CaptHindsight> sorry 0.453mm
[19:47:08] <cradek> ... somewhere
[19:47:12] <JT-Shop> I used to fly model helicopters and collect every thing I see
[19:47:35] <Loetmichel> JT-Shop: i build only multicoters
[19:47:38] <Loetmichel> +p
[19:48:30] <ReadError> I build many multirotors ;)
[19:48:34] <JT-Shop> well now I'm not sure about the #3 pitch
[19:48:43] <CaptHindsight> the pitch varies by less than 1% between the 2.5-0.45 and the 3-56
[19:49:11] <ReadError> http://www.dailygusta.com/Quads/i-4SrZqdB/0/X2/CA_05011412031879-X2.jpg check that out Loetmichel
[19:49:27] <Loetmichel> ReadError: like this? ->
http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12997
[19:49:43] <Loetmichel> hrhr, are tehy multiplying?
[19:49:45] <Loetmichel> they
[19:49:49] <ReadError> I would break that faster than I could build it ;)
[19:50:07] <Loetmichel> ReadError: me too ;-)
[19:50:17] <ReadError> http://www.dailygusta.com/Quads/i-Txwgdxz/0/X2/CA_04131411550738-X2.jpg
[19:50:19] <witnit> I would have to put a cage around one
[19:50:21] <ReadError> they made that
[19:51:06] <Loetmichel> i tend to make at least double to triple the amount of outriggers i need
[19:51:24] <JT-Shop> cradek, I have to assume I have a 3-48 screws and can't check as the thread gauge only goes to 42
[19:51:28] <Loetmichel> because afte a day in the field i still will have none left ;)
[19:52:22] <cradek> JT-Shop: see if they match some #2-56
[19:52:42] <Loetmichel> ReadError:
http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12982&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[19:53:05] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11744 <- takes its time on the small machine ;-)
[19:53:23] <CaptHindsight> #3 0.0990 0.0983 0.0938 Basic / Max / Min
[19:53:28] <Loetmichel> (have to turn each one 8 times)
[19:53:32] <ReadError> http://www.dailygusta.com/Phone/i-3wRsBZ7/0/X2/CA_03271411514970-X2.jpg
[19:53:36] <ReadError> my last big project
[19:53:42] <ReadError> did the blocks and everything from scratch
[19:53:42] <CaptHindsight> http://www.engineersedge.com/screw_threads_chart.htm
[19:53:45] <ReadError> the china ones where bad
[19:54:01] <Loetmichel> i started with carbon
[19:54:13] <ReadError> http://www.dailygusta.com/Phone/i-pQk96Kc/0/X2/CA_02151410542123-X2.jpg
[19:54:19] <ReadError> took foooreeever to do all of them
[19:54:21] <Loetmichel> i did go back to aluminium square tube because its MUCH cheaper to replace
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[19:55:23] <Loetmichel> ReadError: my first quad:
http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=4790
[19:55:28] <Loetmichel> full carbon ;)
[19:55:48] <Loetmichel> not a single piece of aluminium beside the motors and the screws
[19:56:46] <ReadError> much more complex
[19:56:51] <ReadError> I make my stuff pretty simple
[19:57:01] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=4833 <- i even used 3mm pvc foam plates once.
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[19:57:10] <ReadError> http://www.dailygusta.com/Phone/i-THHBwdr/0/X2/CA_10021314115124-X2.jpg
[19:57:12] <Loetmichel> tends to be a little heavy
[19:57:14] <CaptHindsight> M2.5 × 0.45 0.0976 0.0937 0.086 inch so the metric has a smaller dia
[19:57:15] <ReadError> this one, impossible to break almost
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[19:57:48] <cradek> heh, enco doesn't have either one (in brass or button head)
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[19:57:59] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=5041&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 <- 2mm model plywood is nice
[19:58:08] <cradek> it's for a clock so they have to be decorative (just to make it harder)
[19:58:09] <Loetmichel> light and sufficient rigid
[19:58:20] <cradek> heh maybe I should just drill 'em out to #4-40
[19:58:21] <Loetmichel> but doesent survive a crahs
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[20:03:56] <CaptHindsight> cradek: 20% more torque on the #4-40!
http://www.mgtd.ca/Screw%20Torque.htm
[20:04:30] <CaptHindsight> even more if comparing stainless
[20:05:15] <cradek> heh if that is important in this clock, something has gone very wrong
[20:05:21] <CaptHindsight> heh
[20:05:38] <Loetmichel> ReadError: i tend to use to much lights, though
[20:05:40] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=5177
[20:07:20] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/MC/nachtflugtest_.avi
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[20:07:32] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/MC/loebabofertig.avi
[20:07:40] <Loetmichel> ,,, if you know what i mean ;-)
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[20:12:47] <FrankZappa> ja er fertig
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[20:20:58] <ReadError> CaptHindsight, yea I love LEDs
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[20:54:12] <Deejay> gn8
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[21:05:48] <JT-Shop> cradek, checked my #3's to 2-56 and they are 3-48 for sure
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[21:27:45] <Tom_itx> that's standard coarse thread
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[21:32:16] <JT-Shop> ok where is my gas bowl and shut off for the tractor?
[21:32:44] <Tom_itx> in the parts cleaner
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[21:55:51] <JT-Shop> I don't have a parts cleaner...
[21:56:04] <JT-Shop> it should be within arms reach of the plasma table
[21:57:47] <JT-Shop> I'm sure I put it somewhere "safe"
[21:59:38] <syyl> look in the fridge
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[22:00:10] <syyl> not that i have ever put parts of a machine in the fridge...
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[22:02:42] <JT-Shop> never can tell...
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[22:11:05] <FrankZappa> trah sittehs
[22:11:20] <FrankZappa> breest-uhl
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[22:18:48] <JT-Shop> found it!
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