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[00:00:03] <_methods> yeah for light cut production chick
[00:00:09] <_methods> for heavy cuts i'd go orange
[00:00:19] <zeeshan> honestly in production job shops
[00:00:21] <_methods> the alum bodies of the chicks are just too light for heavy hittin
[00:00:24] <zeeshan> mas product
[00:00:31] <zeeshan> *mass production, ive only need index tables
[00:00:33] <zeeshan> or whatever you call em
[00:00:42] <zeeshan> those tables with a crap load of precision drilled holes
[00:00:44] <_methods> tombstone
[00:00:51] <zeeshan> haha
[00:00:54] <zeeshan> who comes up with these names
[00:00:55] <zeeshan> :)
[00:01:09] <_methods> heh because back in the old days they looked like tombstones
[00:01:10] <zeeshan> yea its that..
[00:01:13] <_methods> they were 2 sided
[00:01:26] <_methods> usually giant converted angle plates
[00:01:27] <zeeshan> http://cdn.cnccookbook.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/VMC4thTombstone.jpg
[00:01:30] <zeeshan> looked almost like that
[00:01:38] <zeeshan> with the exception that that "Box" thing was on both sides
[00:01:47] <_methods> yeah that's a fake tombstone lol
[00:01:54] <_methods> that's a po' mans tombstone
[00:02:05] <zeeshan> but iguess for mass production
[00:02:10] <zeeshan> it makes sense to have a "custom fixture"
[00:02:12] <zeeshan> vs a vise
[00:02:14] <_methods> that's not for mass production lol
[00:02:23] <_methods> that's for people that can't afford a horizontal
[00:02:32] <zeeshan> its 4 axis
[00:02:46] <_methods> it is
[00:02:46] <zeeshan> this machine would drill all these fluid ports
[00:02:51] <zeeshan> at different angles
[00:03:15] <zeeshan> sorry i dont remember all the fine details :P
[00:03:18] <zeeshan> it was 6 years ago
[00:04:30] <zeeshan> http://www.lighttoolsupply.com/catalog/Product/GS-Modular-Milling-Vises?productID=344603
[00:04:34] <zeeshan> better deal..
[00:04:38] <zeeshan> 650 for 6" opening
[00:04:40] <zeeshan> modular
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[00:04:48] <MrHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Glacern-Machine-Tools-GSV-690-Milling-Vise-D688-D675-/280948044075
[00:05:00] <zeeshan> not modular
[00:05:00] <zeeshan> ;[
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[00:05:54] <zeeshan> what are the chances my vises markings are on the surface that mates with the table?
[00:06:01] <zeeshan> im curious to know which one it is
[00:06:25] <PetefromTn_> I dunno man that modular vise looks pretty wimpy.
[00:06:38] <zeeshan> but its so easy to use! :P
[00:06:48] <PetefromTn_> and that Glacern is MORE expensive than the Kurt...
[00:06:58] <PetefromTn_> how so..
[00:07:07] <zeeshan> theres detents
[00:07:13] <_methods> ugh they have been raising their prices
[00:07:15] <zeeshan> it slides into place
[00:07:20] <PetefromTn_> The clamping force of the kurt is hard to argue with. It is just a beast of a solid vise.
[00:07:30] <MrHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/EARTH-CHAIN-ECB-075-MAGNETIC-WORKHOLDING-VISE-1-650-LB-/230480871767
[00:07:36] <_methods> there's a reason every machine shop has kurt vises
[00:07:45] <_methods> it's not because they suck
[00:07:53] <zeeshan> most common name in the business!
[00:08:01] <zeeshan> manual machines have kurt vises
[00:08:11] <zeeshan> ive rarely seen a kurt vise on a cnc machine
[00:08:15] <PetefromTn_> Like I said in the shop EVERY machine has one and they just plain work for so many things.
[00:08:16] <_methods> we use them on cnc all the time
[00:08:23] <zeeshan> its either a tombstone or bunch of modular vises
[00:08:23] <zeeshan> in a row
[00:08:32] <_methods> for a vmc
[00:08:39] <_methods> regular vise is fine
[00:08:42] <_methods> depends on the job
[00:09:05] <MrHindsight> wire ties, hot melt, c-clamp
[00:09:10] <zeeshan> good idea
[00:09:12] <zeeshan> works well
[00:09:17] <PetefromTn_> If I need a production run I usually make custom fixtures with multiple positions that either mounts to the table or atop the vise..
[00:09:41] <PetefromTn_> Amazing what you can do with TWO kurt vises too....
[00:09:50] <zeeshan> i like tom lipton's kurt vise w/ modular table on it
[00:10:01] <zeeshan> the modular table is made out of aluminum
[00:10:10] <zeeshan> everytime he puts the table on, he surfaces it hehe
[00:10:12] <PetefromTn_> Was chatting with MrHindsight earlier and he seemed to like his Shars 690s...
[00:10:47] <_methods> i was contemplating getting their 4" cnc vise
[00:11:48] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/WBgJy8V.jpg
[00:11:52] <MrHindsight> they work fine here, maybe just lucky with the two but I'd return them if I had any issues
[00:11:53] <zeeshan> can you guys tell what vise that is?
[00:12:25] <_methods> front fixed jaw
[00:12:40] <_methods> i think they made those for cnc guys that were too stupid to use the back jaw
[00:12:48] <zeeshan> haha
[00:13:02] <_methods> 0,0 on the back was too cornfusing
[00:13:05] <zeeshan> ive never taken it off
[00:13:12] <zeeshan> it looks heavy
[00:13:21] <zeeshan> opens to 7-7.5"
[00:13:30] <MrHindsight> http://www.shars.com/products/view/8139/6quot_690V_CNC_Milling_Machine_Vise_00004quot
[00:13:55] <_methods> i just don't think they took off because the slide has to use so much material
[00:14:09] <_methods> more expensive to manufacture
[00:14:25] <_methods> but i have no idea
[00:16:36] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: btw that shars order neever made it to me
[00:16:37] <zeeshan> i cancelled it
[00:16:42] <zeeshan> and never vow to order from them again
[00:16:58] <zeeshan> had to do a cc chargeback
[00:17:20] <zeeshan> i ended up buying a noga base locally
[00:17:34] * zeeshan bought an israeli product :{
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[00:18:49] <humble_sea_bass> noga is israeli?
[00:18:54] <_methods> yeah
[00:19:20] <_methods> shaviv, noga
[00:19:27] <humble_sea_bass> god dammit the image of a wise old japanese machinist atop a mountain is shattered
[00:19:33] <zeeshan> hahahahah
[00:19:38] <_methods> lol
[00:20:08] <zeeshan> it means 'brightness, glow'
[00:20:15] <zeeshan> in hebrew.. so guess what
[00:20:22] <zeeshan> it's a flamboyant company too.
[00:20:22] <zeeshan> !
[00:20:37] <humble_sea_bass> I thought noga was like hanso steel, means nothing and sounds samuraish
[00:20:46] <zeeshan> might as well painted the bases red yellow green
[00:28:10] <PetefromTn_> Well that sucks.
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[00:28:25] <PetefromTn_> I was hoping to hear from you that you liked your hydraulic Noga clone.
[00:28:57] <_methods> i'm gonna get 4 or 5 of them
[00:29:07] <PetefromTn_> I got a bunch of nice spindle mounted indicator holders in this purchase I made yesterday.
[00:29:13] <PetefromTn_> I like this one quite a bit.
[00:29:19] <_methods> good
[00:29:26] <_methods> i was kinda worried for their price
[00:29:34] <_methods> but i'm just gonna use mine for third hands
[00:29:48] <PetefromTn_> http://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/01297076?item=01297076
[00:29:52] <_methods> all these third hand things for electronics should really be called turd hands
[00:30:09] <_methods> i figure 4 mag bases with alligators on them will be the shiznit
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[00:30:14] <PetefromTn_> 4 or 5 of what?
[00:30:24] <_methods> articulating arm mag bases
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[00:30:48] <PetefromTn_> which ones?
[00:30:49] <_methods> i could probably just get the arms
[00:30:58] <_methods> the shars ones i guess
[00:31:01] <_methods> not noga lol
[00:31:11] <_methods> i'll be broke for sure after that
[00:31:12] <PetefromTn_> Great lemme know how they work when you get them.
[00:31:16] <_methods> i will
[00:31:22] <_methods> damn i thought you were saying you have one
[00:31:31] <_methods> all i'm goin to use them for is third hands
[00:31:36] <PetefromTn_> No actually Zeeshan bought one and then cancelled the order.
[00:31:44] <_methods> ah
[00:31:50] <_methods> we'll i'm gonna get a bunch
[00:31:55] <_methods> i'll let ya know
[00:31:58] <PetefromTn_> I was ABOUT to buy one the other day with their interapid clone indicator
[00:32:15] <_methods> hell i just got 3 indicators from them with the mag backs
[00:32:16] <PetefromTn_> but then I got a smokin deal on this Brown and Sharp DTI
[00:32:25] <_methods> they are decent dial indicators
[00:32:43] <_methods> better than my pos spi one
[00:32:43] <PetefromTn_> So I may still get the Noga or a Noga Clone from Shars.
[00:33:10] <_methods> they have nice big bezels on them
[00:33:14] <_methods> easy to move
[00:33:22] <PetefromTn_> which ones did you get?
[00:33:42] <_methods> 2 shars 1" and 1 2"
[00:33:55] <_methods> they're not too bad
[00:33:56] <PetefromTn_> I used my Brand New Starrett Edge finder today on the VMC when I cut the bottom dovetail of those scope rails.
[00:34:12] <_methods> nice
[00:34:25] <PetefromTn_> NICE unit and I was able to repeat the pickup to .0001 on the DRO's Very consistently.
[00:34:53] <PetefromTn_> Dunno what the actual precision is of course but that is much better than I was able to get with my Shars LED edge finder.
[00:35:05] <_methods> hah
[00:35:14] <_methods> those led edgefinders are for noobs
[00:35:19] <PetefromTn_> Nice to know I am on the edge.
[00:35:34] <_methods> i have one for workin on the back side of tombstones
[00:35:37] <PetefromTn_> Yeah I got it because I WANTED to use it for a probe too...
[00:35:43] <_methods> so i don't have to climb in the damn machine
[00:35:58] <PetefromTn_> but after using it and seeing how bad it is I just broke down and got the Starrett.
[00:36:06] <_methods> don't like putting my head between the spindle and the tombstone lol
[00:36:18] <PetefromTn_> Don't blame you there.
[00:36:36] <_methods> hehe
[00:37:06] <PetefromTn_> Mr.Hindsight said he uses the Shars vises to good effect. I have the OLD model Shars CNC vise and it is pretty bad. It is NOT flat or square.
[00:37:54] <jdh> I have a cheapo shars, need ot mill the back lip off
[00:37:55] <PetefromTn_> He said he has two and showed pics of them and said they are really good so now I got a dilemma here. Buy that Shars and hope it is good and if it is not deal with their warrantee. Or buy a Kurt.
[00:38:08] <PetefromTn_> which one?
[00:39:18] <jdh> kurt
[00:39:33] <PetefromTn_> No I mean which Shars vise do you have?
[00:39:52] <jdh> dunno. 5" not a cnc version. Has the lip around everything
[00:40:27] <PetefromTn_> How long have you had it?
[00:40:34] <jdh> 2 years?
[00:40:43] <jdh> 3? whenever I got teh g0704
[00:40:50] <PetefromTn_> okay. These new ones apparently came out within the last year.
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[00:42:15] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: hydraulic ones?
[00:42:19] <PetefromTn_> My youngest Daughter has been wanting a fish tank and fish.
[00:42:50] <PetefromTn_> Tonight we broke down and got a small tank kit from WalMArt and three fish.
[00:42:57] <PetefromTn_> Brought it home
[00:43:00] <PetefromTn_> Set it up
[00:43:03] <zeeshan> http://www.use-enco.com/1/1/32065-nf1018-noga-magnetic-indicator-base-accessories.html
[00:43:06] <PetefromTn_> Filled it with water.
[00:43:07] <zeeshan> 57$
[00:43:13] <zeeshan> + 15% discount coupon
[00:43:16] <PetefromTn_> and let it run for a bit.
[00:43:24] <PetefromTn_> Put the fish in and guess what.
[00:43:26] <zeeshan> www.use-enco.com/1/1/35092-mg10533-noga-w-arm-holder-attachment-magnetic-indicator-bases.html
[00:43:31] <zeeshan> 99.95 + 15% discount coupon
[00:43:35] <zeeshan> you can get em fairly cheap
[00:44:25] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know I saw that.
[00:44:38] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: This and $20
http://www.pepperidgefarm.com/ProductDetail.aspx?catID=774&prdID=120277
[00:44:54] <PetefromTn_> anyways fat pretty Fantail Goldfish went belly up...
[00:45:07] <PetefromTn_> LOL
[00:45:35] <zeeshan> hey pete
[00:45:45] <zeeshan> have you looked into touch probes?
[00:45:58] <PetefromTn_> So far the Black Molly is doing okay as is the Plecostemus.
[00:46:13] <PetefromTn_> No just working on building a tool probe here.
[00:46:17] <_methods> http://www.shars.com/products/view/20153/170_Lbs_Holder_Power_Magnetic_Base
[00:46:27] <_methods> $30
[00:46:38] <zeeshan> _methods: apparently that one isnt hydraulic
[00:46:39] <_methods> bit more spensive than the fish
[00:46:41] <zeeshan> accoridng to someone in here
[00:46:49] <_methods> oh oi'm sure it's not
[00:46:59] <zeeshan> http://www.shars.com/products/view/1408/Hydraulic_Magnetic_Base
[00:47:04] <_methods> there's probably cartilage from 90 y/o chinese women in there
[00:47:05] <zeeshan> this one is the hydraulic one i ordered and cancelled
[00:47:21] <zeeshan> also a guy on youtube shows you
[00:47:22] <zeeshan> how to fix it
[00:47:24] <zeeshan> to make it work better
[00:47:50] <PetefromTn_> Yeah that Hydro one looks decent.
[00:48:02] <zeeshan> 47.95 + shipping
[00:48:11] <_methods> yeah
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[00:48:15] <_methods> i might get that instead
[00:48:16] <zeeshan> you can get that noga for 95-15% off + free shipping
[00:48:21] <zeeshan> if you combine the right discount codes!
[00:48:44] <_methods> ah for what i'm doing i don't need a noga
[00:48:56] <zeeshan> _methods buy two
[00:48:57] <zeeshan> and ship me one
[00:48:59] <_methods> heh
[00:49:00] <zeeshan> fakin shars
[00:49:03] <_methods> i'm gonna buy 5
[00:49:24] <_methods> unless the wife is listening
[00:49:27] <_methods> then i'm just getting 1
[00:49:33] <zeeshan> =D
[00:49:47] <zeeshan> ok im gonna go make a c-clamp holder
[00:49:51] <zeeshan> i bought a bunch of older c-clamps
[00:49:57] <zeeshan> but no where to put em
[00:50:21] <zeeshan> http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e69/kten72/IMAG0350-1_zps5ad5096c.jpg
[00:50:24] <zeeshan> im thinking something like that
[00:50:30] <zeeshan> but using a 1" flat bar instead
[00:50:37] <zeeshan> so i can mount the little c-clamps as well
[00:52:18] <zeeshan> "new old stock"
http://i.imgur.com/H58tws6.jpg
[00:52:38] <zeeshan> not sure when they were made, the printing style on the box makes em look old
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[01:10:29] <malcom2073> So, is it unreasonable to want 32k steps per second out of a parallel port?
[01:17:39] <andypugh> Catching up 400+ messages
[01:18:52] <andypugh> Kurt is not as ubiquious as you might think. I had never heard of them until I started talking to USA-ians.
[01:20:07] <andypugh> I do actaully have a 7” Kurt double, free to a good home. Three issues: No jaws. (at all) It’s a bit rusty. It’s in the UK.
[01:20:45] <andypugh> ’Tis far to big for my mill. (and is useless without jaws)
[01:22:09] <andypugh> malcom2073: It’s possible with some systems, but there is a subtle second-order problem.
[01:22:57] <andypugh> malcom2073: If you reply to indicate you are still there, I will explain.
[01:23:20] <jdh> c'mon, explain anyway.
[01:23:51] <andypugh> I rather assume that the names I know, know.
[01:24:05] <malcom2073> Hey andypugh
[01:24:19] <malcom2073> So, let me give you some background so you can hate on me
[01:24:22] <malcom2073> it's a 3d printer.
[01:24:31] <jdh> heh
[01:24:44] <malcom2073> Trying to drive it with a G540, which is 10 microstepping, WAY more accuracy than I need, but can't change that :/
[01:25:03] <malcom2073> It's a ballscrew printer, was running 1/4 microstepping on my previous drivers to get the speeds I wanted
[01:25:33] <andypugh> OK, if your system can handle a base-thread that can do 32kHz, then you are running a 31uS basse thread. That’s perfectly OK
[01:25:37] <jdh> 5i25 is cheap and will plug and play with the g540
[01:26:24] <malcom2073> jdh: Yeah a mesa is an option if all else fails, though I'd rather spend the money on a beaglebone black solution
[01:26:26] <andypugh> But, and this is the subtle point, your next speed available is exactly half that.
[01:27:10] <malcom2073> andypugh: Not sure what you mean by that?
[01:29:15] <andypugh> Your steps are 32kHz, 16kHz, 10.4kHz, 7.8khz
[01:29:34] <andypugh> and so on
[01:30:48] <andypugh> The 6.25kHz to 7.8kHz step is the point where the fequency chance is something that the hardware might follow
[01:31:04] <malcom2073> so it boils down to what the system can handle, and if it can't quite handle 32, it's takes a huge step back to 16?
[01:31:22] <malcom2073> I'm not that familiar with the how the underlying system works
[01:33:36] <andypugh> With a 32khz base thread you can do 32khz. You can’t do 31kHz. or anything less than that to the next integer divisor. The step generator runs at 32kHz, it can pulse ever thread-interval, every second interval, every third, etc.
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[01:35:06] <zeeshan> damn internet
[01:35:21] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/jZZZQzH.jpg
[01:35:23] <andypugh> At some point it is clever enough to dither. It can do 12.8 kHz by waiting 4 calls, then 5 calls, then 4 calls, etc.
[01:35:24] <zeeshan> thats how i nended up mounting em
[01:35:29] <zeeshan> *ended
[01:35:39] <malcom2073> So how does the system handle accelerating between the two speeds (from a pulse every thread-interval, to a pulse every other thread interval) if there is such a huge gap?
[01:35:46] <malcom2073> Or is that where dithering comes into play?
[01:37:01] <andypugh> That’s the issue. It does the best it can, but at some point there is an accel step that the hardware can’t follow.
[01:38:01] <malcom2073> So you really want to run a significantly faster base thread, than your maximum step frequency for more accuracy?
[01:38:10] <malcom2073> more timing accuracy
[01:38:12] <andypugh> yes.
[01:38:22] <andypugh> And for $70 it can be 1Mhz
[01:38:33] <andypugh> As jdh already suggested
[01:38:39] <malcom2073> That explains the mesa boards having such silly high step rates.
[01:38:45] <malcom2073> Wondered about that, but that makes a lot of sense
[01:39:59] <andypugh> Indeed. I worry that I sound like a Mesa salesman, but the 5i25 is a very useful thing and not expensive,
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[01:40:33] <malcom2073> Heh, no biggie. My dad bought a mesa just recently and is going to be sticking it on his cnc at some point
[01:40:37] <malcom2073> his mill
[01:40:42] <jdh> and since you already own a 540, the 5i25 seems a perfect fit
[01:40:51] <malcom2073> Well.... I'm borrwing a 540 :)
[01:40:57] <malcom2073> have to purchase one at some point, if this works out
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[01:41:11] <jdh> otoh, it is a 3d printer, so who cares.
[01:41:32] <malcom2073> Accuracy doesn't matter nearly as much as speed really
[01:41:50] <andypugh> So, you need fast pulses.
[01:41:51] <zeeshan> jdh
[01:41:52] <zeeshan> omg
[01:41:54] <zeeshan> HELP ME!
[01:41:56] <zeeshan> HALP
[01:41:57] <malcom2073> yeah. Mesa heh
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[01:42:16] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/7MExruF.jpg
[01:42:19] <zeeshan> thats what im dealing with right now
[01:42:41] <jdh> looks familiar
[01:42:49] <zeeshan> what should i do
[01:42:50] <zeeshan> ;[
[01:42:56] <zeeshan> should i put a bracket right there?
[01:42:58] <jdh> whats teh problem
[01:43:15] <zeeshan> im thinking ahead
[01:43:20] <andypugh> Another option is to run everything on a BeagleBone and use the PRU. You need a “Cape” for the motor interface, but the BBBlack is $50 and frees up your PC.
[01:43:22] <zeeshan> problem is the ball screw cover
[01:43:40] <malcom2073> I have a BBB sitting on my desk, so even cheaper
[01:43:57] <malcom2073> you happen to know the maximum step frequency of that off the top of your head?
[01:44:00] <zeeshan> uploading a better pic
[01:44:06] <XXCoder> so in linuxcnc config ini file, what is "max_limit" units? er brb lol
[01:44:39] <zeeshan> jdh:
http://i.imgur.com/ShkXUYy.jpg
[01:44:47] <andypugh> malcom2073: I don’t know, you probably need to look at www.machinekit.io
[01:44:55] <zeeshan> the blue part is what i think i should remove
[01:45:04] <malcom2073> andypugh: Thanks, I'll check that out
[01:45:06] <zeeshan> that way i can have a ball screw cover
[01:45:19] <zeeshan> thats staionary
[01:45:38] <andypugh> zeeshan: You want a spiral cover
[01:45:43] <jdh> you are going to leave teh apron?
[01:45:53] <zeeshan> jdh i'd like to
[01:45:57] <zeeshan> andypugh: no spiral cover
[01:45:59] <zeeshan> its too expensive
[01:46:14] <zeeshan> if i were to go wit hthe spiral cover route, i rather do telescoping covers on both the ball screw and ways
[01:46:28] <zeeshan> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OWr-kVe-W0
[01:46:34] <zeeshan> i want to do a stationary cover like this guy
[01:46:49] <andypugh> zeeshan: Actually you seem to be making my mistake, and CNC converting a heap of junk.
[01:46:50] <zeeshan> but i have zero idea how he mounted the ball nut to the apron
[01:47:03] <jdh> heh
[01:47:04] <zeeshan> andypugh: this machine is far from junk
[01:47:11] <zeeshan> i've used it manually for 8 years
[01:47:20] <zeeshan> it can hold 0.0005 tolerances no problem.
[01:47:46] <zeeshan> its a hobby lathe, not a production lathe
[01:48:01] <zeeshan> jdh: how do you think that guy got away with a stationary cover?
[01:48:07] <andypugh> Is it gap-bed?
[01:48:09] <zeeshan> ofcourse the underside of the ball screw is exposed
[01:48:30] <zeeshan> yes
[01:48:39] <jdh> you can cut to .5, or it will cut to .5
[01:49:12] <andypugh> Is it worth dropping the screw below the gap?
[01:49:31] <zeeshan> andypugh: i'm not sure
[01:49:43] <zeeshan> where the ball screw is mouinted is where the factory threading lead screw mounted
[01:49:50] <zeeshan> the ball screw is 5 mm bigger
[01:49:56] <zeeshan> or something like that
[01:50:07] <PetefromTn_> Well The Molly and the Plecostamus are still kicking T-minus two hours...
[01:50:09] <jdh> what does keeping the apron do?
[01:50:18] <zeeshan> i literally just bored out the hole in the quick change gearbox to allow the floating end
[01:50:19] <jdh> Pete: did you treat the water and get the temp right?
[01:50:20] <andypugh> Your keeper strips are junk, and I challenge you to question that
[01:50:23] <zeeshan> jdh: it adds weight
[01:50:35] <zeeshan> so the appron doesnt lift
[01:50:46] <PetefromTn_> Well we bought some water treatment stuff and a dechlorinator
[01:50:52] <zeeshan> andypugh: what are keeper stripers
[01:50:59] <zeeshan> *strips
[01:51:13] <PetefromTn_> The temp they told me just room temp is fine and we TRIED to keep them in bags inside before we opened them to the tank.
[01:51:30] <andypugh> They hold the bed down. With V-ways that is also critical for the X-alignement,
[01:52:09] <PetefromTn_> On the UPSIDE we got some cool Spongebob squarepants little houses in there and the tank kit came with a cool LED light that switches colors.
[01:52:21] <zeeshan> you mean the 4 brackets
[01:52:27] <zeeshan> 2 bolts each that mount to the carriage?
[01:52:27] <PetefromTn_> SpongeBobs house and Squidwards house
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[01:52:39] <PetefromTn_> ;)
[01:52:48] <zeeshan> andypugh: they dont hold the bed down
[01:53:04] <zeeshan> i dont understand why the vertical height of the carriage matters?
[01:53:13] <zeeshan> at most it'll throw out the tool centerline by 10 thou
[01:53:19] <zeeshan> mine moves 5 thou at most
[01:53:41] <zeeshan> those keepers are there just so the appron doesnt fly out and kill you
[01:53:50] <zeeshan> when a tool bit gets stuck in the work piece :p
[01:53:55] <andypugh> On my lathe the keeper strips held the bed down by the right amount by being not-quite-tight. Yours might be done properly.
[01:54:16] <zeeshan> andypugh: i know you're trying to be helpeful
[01:54:20] <zeeshan> but please help me solve this mystery
[01:54:29] <jdh> I think mine is more like andy's
[01:54:34] <zeeshan> i really don't understand how this guy got away with a stationary ball screw cover
[01:54:37] <jdh> (in the crap dept)
[01:55:03] <zeeshan> http://www.grizzly.com/products/12-x-36-Gunsmithing-Lathe/G0750G
[01:55:05] <zeeshan> this is my lathe
[01:55:08] <zeeshan> in grizzly version
[01:55:42] <zeeshan> the only difference is its d1-4 not d1-5
[01:55:46] <PetefromTn_> Looks like he used a smaller diameter screw and tucked it up tight against the top of the apron edge and used a fixed cover over it the whole way.
[01:55:58] <andypugh> Sorry, I get a bit evangelical. I sunk £1k + time into a lathe that appears to have been made by someone who had never used a lathe.
[01:56:06] <zeeshan> andypugh: haha
[01:56:07] <zeeshan> =/
[01:56:22] <zeeshan> honestly, i wouldnt have attempted to cnc if i hadnt used this lathe for so long
[01:56:28] <zeeshan> it was pretty much brand new when i got it
[01:56:46] <zeeshan> its only after my abuse it lost some paint :P
[01:56:48] <jdh> I have $500 in mine.
[01:56:50] <PetefromTn_> I have had the same basic lathe for over a decade and it works quite well actually.
[01:57:00] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: im pretty sure you and me have the same lathe
[01:57:05] <zeeshan> you have a 12x36
[01:57:11] <zeeshan> gap bed as well right?
[01:57:17] <PetefromTn_> If I did not have the desire for a more commercial machine with a toolchanger I would just retro this thing.
[01:57:19] <zeeshan> with quick change gear box
[01:57:21] <PetefromTn_> yup.
[01:57:26] <PetefromTn_> works great.
[01:57:33] <andypugh> Did you see my picture earlier which shows how the suppplied centre doesn’t reach a bar that the tool can reach?
[01:57:34] <PetefromTn_> I musta cut a thousand threads on it
[01:57:46] <PetefromTn_> nope
[01:58:01] <zeeshan> haha what the hell
[01:58:14] <zeeshan> link
[01:58:23] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: so basically i'd need to make a bracket like this pic
[01:58:26] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/ShkXUYy.jpg
[01:58:27] <PetefromTn_> I did manage to mangle the thrust bearing in the tailstock when I was trying to help Connor with his pullies.
[01:58:40] <zeeshan> and face mill a massive slot
[01:58:44] <zeeshan> on the apron
[01:59:10] <jdh> http://tinyurl.com/mpdnng8
[01:59:18] <zeeshan> i'd love to put telescoping covers over both the ball screw and ways
[01:59:27] <zeeshan> but it'll cost too much in waterjet/last cutting/ bending
[01:59:41] <zeeshan> jdh have you tried jogging it?
[01:59:45] <jdh> yeah
[01:59:46] <PetefromTn_> Why don't you do it like the guy in the video.. that looks VERY nice and tight.
[01:59:48] <zeeshan> works fine?
[01:59:53] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: im trying to!!!
[01:59:53] <jdh> Z seesm fine
[01:59:55] <andypugh> First link, as it is there now, How I modified the keeper strips. Mainly (to be fair) because my version also pretended to be a mill. Bit this is still a decent upgrade for parting etc:
https://picasaweb.google.com/108164504656404380542/Gibbs
[01:59:57] <zeeshan> but i'm lost on how he did it
[01:59:57] <zeeshan> lol
[02:00:05] <zeeshan> it looks like he HEAVILY modified the apron
[02:00:18] <zeeshan> i tried contacting him, but no luck
[02:00:45] <andypugh> Here is the centre issue:
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/lqgAp8u7-MkUyJBkCl78xNMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[02:00:51] <zeeshan> when i look at it again
[02:00:56] <zeeshan> it looks like he made a custom appron.
[02:00:59] <zeeshan> the sides can be unbolted
[02:01:03] <zeeshan> which the stock one cant
[02:01:06] <PetefromTn_> Actually it does not look that way to me at all... He did mount the stepper inside it tho. For the long axis it just looks like it is mounted behind it.
[02:01:20] <zeeshan> dude i really think its a custom apron
[02:01:22] <zeeshan> not modified stock
[02:01:31] <zeeshan> andypugh: thats not a big problem
[02:01:37] <zeeshan> your tail stock is adjustable
[02:01:45] <andypugh> ?
[02:02:13] <andypugh> My tailstock is all the way out, and hard against the carriage.
[02:02:13] <PetefromTn_> I dunno it looks stock to me..
[02:02:17] <zeeshan> let me clarify the problem -- the axis of the tail stock isn't coincident with the spindle center line?
[02:02:24] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: he's got unboltable side covers
[02:02:30] <zeeshan> stock isnt like that
[02:02:36] <zeeshan> and look at the way it chamfers on the bottom
[02:02:57] <zeeshan> andypugh: LOL
[02:03:03] <zeeshan> that cant be right
[02:03:07] <PetefromTn_> At :43 he mentions he built his own carriage housing.
[02:03:15] <zeeshan> ah
[02:03:43] <zeeshan> mine opens to 5"
[02:03:47] <zeeshan> from what i remember.
[02:03:59] <zeeshan> no thats the school one
[02:04:02] <zeeshan> mines 4"
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[02:04:33] <zeeshan> just grab a longer center..
[02:04:42] <andypugh> 1.5” of tailstock ram travel. 2” of carriage width, supplied short centre = problem.
[02:05:24] <PetefromTn_> your machine only has 1.5" of tailstock ram travel?
[02:05:27] <zeeshan> hahahah
[02:05:32] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: thats why im laughing
[02:05:42] <PetefromTn_> Mine has like four or more I think.
[02:05:47] <zeeshan> small drill prsses have more travel
[02:05:48] <zeeshan> :)
[02:05:53] <andypugh> It’s not an insurmountable probem, it is just a hint that the manufacrturer had no clue.
[02:06:14] <zeeshan> maybe they sold the wrong tail stock? :P
[02:06:27] <PetefromTn_> You can get MT extension adapter sleeves pretty cheap tho.
[02:06:40] <zeeshan> 1.5" travel is pretty weak sauce though
[02:06:43] <PetefromTn_> I used to have one on my Shoptask back years ago.
[02:07:26] <andypugh> I have several running centres, all are longer
[02:07:32] <PetefromTn_> The whole damn lathe is pretty weak sauce unfortunately LOL
[02:07:36] <zeeshan> andypugh: lol
[02:07:39] <zeeshan> im still laughing mate
[02:08:14] <PetefromTn_> I am happy with mine but compared to even the cheapest weakest commercial machine it is a pussy.
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[02:08:44] <PetefromTn_> It's all relative.
[02:08:50] <zeeshan> it's much better than a logan
[02:08:51] <zeeshan> or southbend
[02:08:54] <zeeshan> ill tell you that much
[02:09:00] <PetefromTn_> how ya figure...
[02:09:02] <andypugh> The story there, though, is that I wanted to cut a 1/2” thread and my threading tool fouls the live centres at 12mm, so I ground a flat on the dead centre, and put it in, and found that it was no help at all….
[02:09:08] <zeeshan> it doesn't have a shitty ass screw on spindle bullshit
[02:09:17] <zeeshan> it's not worn out
[02:09:22] <zeeshan> like they usually are
[02:09:27] <zeeshan> and it's got more work capacity
[02:09:35] <PetefromTn_> yeah but that is offset by the CHINESE factor.
[02:09:41] <zeeshan> just fyi
[02:09:48] <zeeshan> these are taiwanese not chinese
[02:10:03] <zeeshan> and i don't care if its chinese or usa made
[02:10:07] <zeeshan> as long as it works
[02:10:11] <PetefromTn_> Like I said I am not busting on it man I LIKE mine.
[02:10:18] <zeeshan> i shopped for a year before getting it
[02:10:29] <PetefromTn_> But compared to what I would LIKE to have in the shop it is a pussy.
[02:10:41] <zeeshan> ofcourse
[02:10:45] <zeeshan> all depends on your context
[02:10:47] <andypugh> I _think_ mine is a cheap indian knock-off of a cheap chinese knock-off of a cut-price austrian design.
[02:10:53] <PetefromTn_> I have made some cool stuff on it tho.
[02:10:54] <zeeshan> for a 12x36 its awesome
[02:11:03] <zeeshan> compared to the schools lathe its a wuss
[02:11:05] <PetefromTn_> Several different PCP air guns
[02:11:11] <zeeshan> that thing is 6-7ft long
[02:11:18] <zeeshan> and has 4 jaw chucks that weigh half as much as this lathe
[02:11:19] <zeeshan> :P
[02:11:24] <PetefromTn_> and TONS of custom parts for everything you can think of.
[02:11:35] <zeeshan> andypugh: hahahahahaha
[02:11:44] <zeeshan> indian's make decent precision tools
[02:11:47] <zeeshan> groz is indian
[02:11:53] <PetefromTn_> I think if I kept it I would build a heavier base for it.
[02:11:59] <zeeshan> and theyre some of the most common squares you'll find in machine shops
[02:12:25] <PetefromTn_> The stock sheetmetal dual box stand it really cheap.
[02:12:29] <zeeshan> pete i'm reinforcing mine when i throw in my chip pan
[02:12:33] <PetefromTn_> It is also quite tippy.
[02:12:35] <zeeshan> i've got 1/2" x 4 " flat bar
[02:12:41] <zeeshan> that i'm planning to rib below it
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[02:12:58] <PetefromTn_> I would at least make a custom base with wider feet spread.
[02:13:00] <zeeshan> and after seeing you guys talk about epoxy granite..
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[02:13:06] <zeeshan> i'm thinking of filling it with it
[02:13:09] <andypugh> I want a Colcester Mascot. 3.5” though the spindle, 3000 rpm top speed and has an 800mm face plate with a big badge saying “not to be used above 800rpm”
[02:13:23] <jdh> mine cost $300. if it cuts anything I'll be fine
[02:13:32] <zeeshan> jdh it will
[02:13:34] <zeeshan> easily
[02:14:05] <PetefromTn_> I bought mine new on sale and got the floor model for cheaper. It was missing some parts I got ordered for free. Paid like $1200.00 I think.
[02:14:12] <zeeshan> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVOzW3q5zVU
[02:14:18] <zeeshan> thats a .175 doc
[02:14:27] <zeeshan> with a shitty hss tool bit that i didnt know how to grind at the time
[02:14:48] <jdh> mine is a 9x. weighs almost nothing
[02:15:12] <andypugh> I want a Colchester Mascot with good bearings, though. I could never afford to reoplace those 4” 3000rpm bearings, they are rather special. Colchester had their own bearing factory (Gamet)
[02:15:17] <zeeshan> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpVB0ouezb0
[02:15:19] <PetefromTn_> I make cuts deeper than that in aluminum all the time on mine LOL..
[02:15:22] <zeeshan> 0.060 though depth of cut
[02:15:24] <zeeshan> stainless
[02:15:30] <zeeshan> can do more easily
[02:15:40] <zeeshan> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxb7T_qQ9B4
[02:15:42] <zeeshan> started from that :P
[02:15:51] <PetefromTn_> The only problem with the 12x36 comes when you start turning larger diameter parts.
[02:16:25] <zeeshan> i think the biggest i've turned is 5" diameter steel piece
[02:16:41] <PetefromTn_> The motor does not have the power to cut very deep at the oustide edge.
[02:16:52] <zeeshan> is yours 2hp?
[02:17:03] <PetefromTn_> Its not terrible but it kinda sucks.
[02:17:06] <PetefromTn_> Yeah I think so.
[02:17:14] <zeeshan> i upgraded to 3hp
[02:17:16] <PetefromTn_> I don't remember really whatever it came with.
[02:17:21] <zeeshan> standarded is 2hp 220v
[02:17:25] <zeeshan> *standard
[02:17:34] <PetefromTn_> Motor has run great for a LONG TIME
[02:17:43] <zeeshan> honestly, the chinese motors ratings are bs
[02:17:51] <zeeshan> do you a have a clamp on load meter?
[02:17:53] <zeeshan> to measure current
[02:18:01] <PetefromTn_> I did but I blew it up LOL
[02:18:04] <zeeshan> haha
[02:18:16] <zeeshan> these motors dont even come close to drawing the amount of current needed
[02:18:19] <zeeshan> P=VI
[02:18:31] <zeeshan> you conver that to hp and account for 95% electrical loss
[02:18:34] <zeeshan> still doesnt come to 2hp
[02:19:01] <LatheBuilder> andypugh: MT extension handy to save the day?
[02:19:38] <PetefromTn_> yeah that is what I suggested.
[02:19:43] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_:
[02:19:49] <zeeshan> should i make a custom apron
[02:19:53] <PetefromTn_> I would
[02:19:57] <zeeshan> or just modify the stock one
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[02:20:01] <PetefromTn_> should be pretty easy.
[02:20:07] <zeeshan> it would be
[02:20:09] <LatheBuilder> just got back. off again now. g'nit
[02:20:13] <zeeshan> but then i gotta do so much milling
[02:20:16] <zeeshan> =[
[02:20:23] <andypugh> I worked round the problem, the point is that a fundamental part of lathe design is that thr centre and the tool can be in the same place.
[02:20:23] <LatheBuilder> e
[02:20:24] <zeeshan> the top surface of the current carriage is ground
[02:20:30] <PetefromTn_> It depends on where you wanna put that big screw.
[02:20:38] <zeeshan> well the screw is mounted
[02:20:43] <PetefromTn_> I would imagine the bottom is as well.
[02:20:56] <zeeshan> so i'd need to slot the back end of the apron
[02:21:07] <zeeshan> couple passes with the 2" face mill
[02:21:08] <PetefromTn_> You might be able to get a big angle plate and cut it to work and mount the screw to the back edge and the motor to the middle.
[02:21:12] <andypugh> zeeshan: Anyway, I made a new apron that also mounted the X-motor
[02:21:27] <zeeshan> andypugh: whyd you go with a new apron
[02:21:49] <zeeshan> what was the main driver
[02:21:56] <PetefromTn_> Out of curiosity how much you got in ballscrews?
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[02:22:01] <andypugh> Because I wanted to mount the X-stepper
[02:22:06] <zeeshan> $$ ?
[02:22:14] <zeeshan> the linearmotion bearings ones cost me 200 shipped
[02:22:22] <zeeshan> theres no backlash
[02:22:25] <PetefromTn_> for both axes?
[02:22:30] <zeeshan> yes
[02:22:31] <zeeshan> w/ ball nut
[02:22:36] <PetefromTn_> single nut?
[02:22:40] <zeeshan> yes
[02:22:47] <PetefromTn_> NO backlash?
[02:22:50] <LatheBuilder> i hear you there
[02:22:51] <zeeshan> no backlash
[02:23:04] <PetefromTn_> NONE????
[02:23:11] <PetefromTn_> ;)
[02:23:20] <zeeshan> none that can be picked up with 0.0005 plunger indicator
[02:23:23] <zeeshan> (starrett)
[02:23:38] <PetefromTn_> that is QUITE impressive.
[02:23:43] <zeeshan> i warn you though
[02:23:45] <zeeshan> there is a defect
[02:23:49] <zeeshan> the screw isn't straight
[02:23:59] <PetefromTn_> you got wobble?
[02:23:59] <jdh> heh, mine wasn't either
[02:24:02] <zeeshan> but i think thats not cause of linearmotion bearings manufacturing defect.
[02:24:09] <zeeshan> at the cetner of the screw, it bows down
[02:24:13] <zeeshan> i think its bowing down under its own weight
[02:24:13] <andypugh> I probably have backlash, but lathes are forgiving, you probably wouldn’t notice. X backlash is hidden in the boring tool and turning tool offsets.
[02:24:19] <jdh> did you try straightening it?
[02:24:22] <zeeshan> w/ the ball nuit mounted to apron
[02:24:26] <zeeshan> i think it'll straighten out itself
[02:24:32] <zeeshan> its out by 15 thou
[02:24:36] <zeeshan> (at the dead center)
[02:24:41] <jdh> mine was more than that
[02:24:48] <zeeshan> where was yours out?
[02:24:57] <PetefromTn_> yeah I understand a Lathe does not NECESSARILY need perfect zero backlash.
[02:25:01] <andypugh> Manual lathes always have lots of backlash, it doesn’t get in the way.
[02:25:23] <zeeshan> well its not a backlash issue
[02:25:28] <jdh> it was bowed about 1/3 of the way down. then again about halfway, but 90 degrees out
[02:25:29] <zeeshan> itll be more so binding issue right?
[02:25:35] <PetefromTn_> I would be curious as to how your machine works when it is finished.
[02:25:45] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: i'd like to get it cutting in 1 week
[02:25:54] <zeeshan> i have 1 week off before i gotta go back to work / research
[02:26:01] <PetefromTn_> Whaddya think of the angle plate idea?
[02:26:08] <jdh> I would think you can cut with decent accuracy on a crappy manual lathe. Not so much on a cnc'ed crappy lathe
[02:26:14] <zeeshan> i think that is a good idea
[02:26:17] <zeeshan> but my poor angle plate :{
[02:26:30] <PetefromTn_> Maybe get a cheapass chinese one and cut the piss out of it.
[02:26:34] <zeeshan> hahah
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[02:27:11] <andypugh> I get my ballscrews from Zapp.
http://www.zappautomation.co.uk/en/fsud-ballnuts/76-r16-05t3-fsud.html
[02:27:19] <zeeshan> i already tried to flatten the back end of the apron on the mill
[02:27:19] <zeeshan> man cutting cast iron is nasty
[02:27:19] <zeeshan> its dusty
[02:27:19] <zeeshan> ive only drilled it before, never milled it
[02:27:23] <PetefromTn_> Point being that the top would be ground flat to match the bottom of the apron and you just drill and tap mounting holes then you make a simple ballnut mount in back and drill and slot the face for the stepper motor.
[02:27:49] <andypugh> $46 for the nut and about £4 per 100mm length of screw.
[02:27:50] <PetefromTn_> Oh I know I machined a BUNCH on my RF45 when i built the one shot oiler setup.
[02:28:03] <PetefromTn_> It is NASTY stuff but cuts easy.
[02:28:05] <zeeshan> its like breathing in hiv
[02:28:20] <andypugh> I love CI.
[02:28:22] <zeeshan> i was wearing a respirator milling it
[02:28:22] <zeeshan> haha
[02:28:32] <XXCoder> hmm
[02:28:40] <tjtr33> where are (DEBUG, #somevar ) printed? in the terminal running my RIP , in AXIS? I dont see anything
[02:28:40] <XXCoder> joint 2 following error?
[02:29:08] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: i might need your advice about quick shot oiler
[02:29:14] <PetefromTn_> If you did it with the angle plate you could attach side plates to cover the the motor and ballnut some more like in that video and the angle plate would add some more weight and mass back.
[02:29:15] <andypugh> It’s my favourite material. Stong, stable, dependable. I just live with the fact it is filthy :-)
[02:29:24] <XXCoder> how do I fix following error?
[02:29:52] <zeeshan> i'm liking this angle plate idea
[02:29:57] <andypugh> XXCoder: stepper or servo>
[02:30:04] <XXCoder> steppers
[02:30:04] <PetefromTn_> yeah and they are pretty cheap.
[02:30:17] <zeeshan> damn it
[02:30:19] <zeeshan> theyre expensive locally
[02:30:30] <zeeshan> http://store01.prostores.com/servlet/accusizetools/the-762/2200-dsh-0904%2C--6%22-X/Detail
[02:30:54] <zeeshan> thats my resident import store
[02:31:00] <PetefromTn_> No man not a PRECISIOn angle plate just a cheapass ground cast iron one.
[02:31:17] <zeeshan> http://www.busybeetools.com/products/ANGLE-PLATE-SLOTTED-6IN..html
[02:31:18] <zeeshan> oh
[02:31:21] <zeeshan> one of these
[02:31:23] <zeeshan> 40$
[02:31:35] <zeeshan> i like how it says 'machine finish'
[02:31:39] <zeeshan> =D
[02:31:47] <zeeshan> 0.015" machine finish
[02:32:08] <andypugh> XXCoder Check the INI/HAL files and make sure the stepgen accel and velocity are a bit bigger than axis accel and velocity. But the most likely issue is that your axis speeds demand pulse rates that your base thread rate can’t follow.
[02:32:16] <zeeshan> im gonna sit and look at the apron for a bit
[02:32:23] <zeeshan> maybe i can figure out an easier way to get it complete tonight
[02:32:24] <XXCoder> andy ok will check
[02:32:25] <PetefromTn_> yeah but get a solid one.
[02:32:27] <zeeshan> without having to go buy stuff :D
[02:32:41] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: cnc mill me an apron
[02:32:41] <zeeshan> :D
[02:32:42] <zeeshan> haha
[02:32:52] <PetefromTn_> Sure man how big ya want it///
[02:32:56] <zeeshan> haha
[02:33:00] <jdh> Andy: 6mm screw for the X?
[02:33:04] <PetefromTn_> get out your checkbook...
[02:33:13] <PetefromTn_> and bend over.
[02:33:17] <PetefromTn_> hehehe
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[02:34:06] <zeeshan> i should setup my laptop in the garage
[02:34:10] <zeeshan> so i dont keep on having to come to my room
[02:34:12] <PetefromTn_> I do all the time.
[02:34:22] <zeeshan> i fear the metal dust will short something out in it
[02:34:23] <zeeshan> haha
[02:34:32] <PetefromTn_> you grinding stuff?
[02:34:35] <zeeshan> its my 'car tuning laptop'
[02:34:39] <zeeshan> well that cast iron dust man
[02:34:43] <zeeshan> it gets everywhere
[02:34:50] <zeeshan> i tried even spraying it with cutting oil
[02:34:51] <zeeshan> and it still dusts
[02:35:00] <zeeshan> it needs a consistent coolant spray
[02:35:01] <PetefromTn_> Did you see my posts earlier about the Mazda performance shop I went to today?
[02:35:07] <zeeshan> no
[02:35:24] <PetefromTn_> Oh man you would have been like a kid in a Candy store LOL.
[02:35:35] <zeeshan> whats the name of the shop?
[02:35:36] <PetefromTn_> Twin Turbo RX7's everywhere you looked.
[02:35:43] <PetefromTn_> I don't remember damnit.
[02:35:56] <PetefromTn_> they musta had like eight of them there.
[02:35:57] <zeeshan> stock rx7's are twin turbo
[02:36:00] <zeeshan> w/ the rotary
[02:36:02] <andypugh> zeeshan: This thread might explain why I made a new apron, but to confuse matters all the photos show both the old and the new apron fitted at the same time. The point was to get the X-motor tucked under the carriage, out if the way,
http://www.cnczone.com/forums/mini-lathe/63621-mini-lathe-cross-slide-ballscrew-solutions-post509784.html#post509784
[02:36:11] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know but these were built.
[02:36:28] <PetefromTn_> some were more streetcars.
[02:36:53] <PetefromTn_> I can see why you like that car. Its a sweet ride.
[02:37:03] <zeeshan> i love it now man!
[02:37:06] <zeeshan> after getting rid of the rotary
[02:37:09] <zeeshan> those engines blow up so easily
[02:37:24] <PetefromTn_> really I always heard they were kickass motors.
[02:37:24] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: check this out
[02:37:27] <zeeshan> no man
[02:37:33] <zeeshan> its a nightmare motor
[02:37:53] <PetefromTn_> they got one pushing 800 HP apparently in there they were working on.
[02:37:57] <zeeshan> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/rotary/damage/engineapart.jpg
[02:38:01] <zeeshan> thats a rotary engine
[02:38:06] <XXCoder> andy everything is in [axis_0] so on header?
[02:38:25] <PetefromTn_> yeah I have seen them.
[02:38:33] <zeeshan> theres 3 piece apex seals, 6 face seals, 2 oil seals, each face seal has a spring behind it
[02:38:34] <PetefromTn_> They had a bunch there apart being built.
[02:38:38] <zeeshan> if any one of those seals fails
[02:38:48] <zeeshan> which they do very easily cause the carbon gets behind the seal and jams the spring
[02:39:01] <zeeshan> the motor blows up
[02:39:03] <zeeshan> and needs a rebuild
[02:39:08] <XXCoder> I have max velocity, max accelration, stepgen maxaccel but no stepgen gen
[02:39:15] <PetefromTn_> I know you can port the shit out of them and push some serious power tho.
[02:39:18] <zeeshan> its not like your stanraded 2 compression rings and 1 oil ring type of deal
[02:39:23] <XXCoder> er velocity
[02:39:25] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: they're great for racing!
[02:39:31] <zeeshan> they just wont last more than 20,000 miles
[02:39:39] <zeeshan> v8 ftw!!!
[02:39:44] <zeeshan> i have to go my friends just randomly showed up
[02:39:47] <zeeshan> brb later tonight
[02:40:01] <PetefromTn_> cya
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[02:47:46] <XXCoder> hey andy?
[02:48:45] <andypugh> Sorry, very late here
[02:48:53] <XXCoder> np
[02:48:55] <malcom2073> andypugh: I got all three axis hooked up instead of just one, and ran some sample gcode through it, I think This will be a viable solution at lower speeds to get me up and running until I get around to either buying a mesa, or looking into the BBB more. Thanks for explaining stuff :-D
[02:49:01] <andypugh> Like, 4am
[02:49:48] <tjtr33> I get no (debug, blah) to print until i set #5599=1. is that standard?
[02:49:51] <tjtr33> an obscure note said to do this & it works, i get (debug, blah ) to print now
[02:50:48] <andypugh> malcom2073: it;’s just a matter of choosing the limits appropriately. But you need some background to do that. Your machine spends 95% of the time on slow G1 moves, having slow rapids probably isn’t a huge penalty.
[02:51:20] <malcom2073> Right, but my intention is to have my "slow" g1's be 100mm/sec... down the line. 40mm/sec is fine for me for now
[02:51:23] <andypugh> tjtr33: That sounds strange, very strange,
[02:51:26] <malcom2073> And it seems to run at 40 very well
[02:55:10] <XXCoder> well
[02:55:17] <XXCoder> it runs pretty good if but slower
[02:56:28] <andypugh> Night all
[02:56:34] <XXCoder> night and thnks
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[03:16:03] <XXCoder> gonna research later see how I can test increasing speed
[03:16:19] <XXCoder> so can be faster but still good quality.
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[03:42:42] <XXCoder> https://scontent-a-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t31.0-8/1909436_430750957069813_7509386805377251206_o.jpg
[03:42:49] <XXCoder> my cnc electric system
[03:42:53] <XXCoder> worked just great
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[03:59:25] <PetefromTn_> Congrats man.
[03:59:32] <XXCoder> thanks :)
[04:00:48] <PetefromTn_> Man figuring out what to do with these dovetails is a beotch.
[04:01:27] <XXCoder> question
[04:01:37] <XXCoder> is it safe to just power off cnc?
[04:01:52] <PetefromTn_> power off what?
[04:01:54] <XXCoder> right now its just directly wired so no switch
[04:01:59] <XXCoder> cnc electric system
[04:02:12] <PetefromTn_> is it interfaced with computer?
[04:02:24] <XXCoder> not atm, stowed away for now
[04:02:35] <PetefromTn_> yeah I suppose so.
[04:02:36] <XXCoder> just unsure when its safe to power off, and such
[04:02:53] <XXCoder> and evenually I want to add switch so can turn off and not unplug
[04:03:17] <PetefromTn_> I shut down my VMC by putting the control in Estop and shutting down the servos enable.
[04:03:29] <PetefromTn_> Then I shutdown the LinuxCNC computer.
[04:03:50] <PetefromTn_> Finally I go back to the back and flip the main power switch once the computer is fully shutdown.
[04:04:13] <XXCoder> how do i shut down steppers if theres any special anything for those
[04:04:50] <PetefromTn_> Turning it on I just flip the switch, computer starts automatically and boots directly to linuxCNC. Once it is up I just hit the enable servo physical button to enable the drives and then I hit the system on computer button to enable LinuxCNC control.
[04:05:10] <PetefromTn_> Honestly I have never even used a stepper so I am not the one to ask.
[04:05:15] <XXCoder> lol ok
[04:05:26] <XXCoder> I suppose just turning it off would do fine
[04:05:35] <PetefromTn_> I would imagine there is no problem removing power to the drives
[04:05:38] <XXCoder> or in my case, unplug. lol
[04:06:02] <XXCoder> be back in a bit
[04:06:08] <PetefromTn_> I would think that should be fine.
[04:06:11] <PetefromTn_> OK
[04:06:28] <XXCoder> dishes calling. :P
[04:07:25] <PetefromTn_> Nice..
[04:07:28] <PetefromTn_> LOL
[04:07:44] <PetefromTn_> I do the dishes here too don't feel bad. Wifey does the cooking.
[04:08:10] <PetefromTn_> I am gonna hit the sack talk tomorrow guys. Nite
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[04:31:45] <XXCoder> back
[04:31:47] <XXCoder> fun
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[11:44:07] <micges> archivist: thanks, got short memory ;)
[12:07:50] <archivist> harder for me to forget, I implemented various extras in the bot
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[12:32:28] <malcom2073> Hey, so I put the linuxcnc image on a usb stick and am trying to boot it, after the board posts, I just get a blank screen with a blinking cursor, never gets to grub, and the motherboard doesn't complain about unable to find boot device, any thoughts?
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[12:40:14] <cpresser> malcom2073: thats because its not inteded to be put on a usb-stick
[12:40:27] <cpresser> malcom2073: the image is a CD-Image, not a USB-Image
[12:40:27] <malcom2073> cpresser: I have no other way to install it at the moment
[12:40:44] <malcom2073> cpresser: so the normal ISO to usb installer tricks don't work with the linuxcnc iso image?
[12:40:45] <cpresser> malcom2073: you need a software to 'convert' it.
[12:40:58] <cpresser> iso2usb should work
[12:41:43] <malcom2073> I've tried win32diskimager, Universal USB installer, and unetbootin
[12:41:51] <cpresser> but i would not bet on this. never tried it beore
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[12:42:41] <malcom2073> hmm
[12:43:32] <cpresser> according to this post unetbootin should work:
https://www.mail-archive.com/emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net/msg36140.html
[12:44:14] <malcom2073> Hmm, that guy says he tried linux live usb and it worked, I'll give that a shot
[12:45:50] <cradek> I have always been able to make a bootable usb stick from our ubuntu image, using the "startup disk creator" in ubuntu
[12:46:15] <malcom2073> Yeah I don't have a linux install here atm
[12:47:11] <cradek> oh, I don't know how to help then, except to say it's possible to do, keep trying google advice
[12:47:23] <malcom2073> yep, downloading lili now and giving it a shot heh
[12:47:57] <malcom2073> If all else fails, I can always go buy a cdrom
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[13:03:37] <bedah> http://imgur.com/oKdit65 minimill,
http://imgur.com/y5YxHx3 first piece
[13:04:40] <bedah> (beercap for scale)
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[13:08:34] <malcom2073> Nice, I like the enclosure too
[13:09:57] <bedah> thanks :)
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[13:58:31] <Tom_itx> unetbootin worked for me
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[13:59:53] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, went to a civil war reenactment yesterday... must say the cannons were pretty cool
[14:00:07] <Tom_itx> the south still lost..
[14:00:17] <malcom2073> Wound up burning it to a cdrom, and pulling the cdrom out of my desktop to use :)
[14:00:23] <malcom2073> It worked, and it works! Woohoo!
[14:00:48] <malcom2073> AFter running the latency test and plugging in the numbers, it can do 90mm/second
[14:04:13] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Wouldn't that be a rewrite instead of a reinactment if the North won?
[14:04:51] <Tom_itx> think back to the future
[14:05:32] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Sorry, I used up my last Y-Flux Capacitor yesterday
[14:05:54] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Have more on the way from China though, ETA 45 days
[14:06:23] <Tom_itx> it'll only get you halfway there
[14:06:39] <Tom_itx> or it will only get half of you there
[14:06:43] <Jymmm> Thus the bulk purchase
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[14:09:14] <newcncown> hello
[14:09:24] <Jymmm> Anyone know how to sterlize HDPE containers by chance?
[14:09:26] <newcncown> I'm new linuxcn
[14:09:57] <newcncown> I'm plug camera and install
[14:10:18] <newcncown> open new tab and crossair is ok
[14:10:38] <newcncown> but I don't make offset,how I do?
[14:11:28] <Tom_itx> you may have to wait for one of the camera guys to show up
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[14:13:55] <newcncown> thanks Tom_itx , I waiting
[14:14:44] <MrHindsight> Jymmm: autoclave, IR, IPA soak etc etc
[14:14:59] <Jymmm> IPA ?
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[14:15:46] <MrHindsight> isopropyl alcohol
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[14:17:01] <Jymmm> Oh no, this is foodgrade carboys I'm trying to clean out that had syrup in them
[14:17:49] <Jymmm> HDPE
[14:19:09] <MrHindsight> so you have to wash and then sterilize, lots of work
[14:19:21] <Jymmm> MrHindsight: BTW... Alcohol does NOT kill e.coli, for example, let alone Hepatitis, HIV
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[14:20:53] <Jymmm> YEah, something likfe that. If I had a small pump and heater, I could make a sort of dishwasher for them
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[14:22:33] <Jymmm> Place the carboy upside down over a rod (pipe with jet holes), then pump water thru it that falls into a holding tank that the pump draws from
[14:26:32] <newcncown> do you hear me any body :)
[14:28:21] <MrHindsight> Jymmm: I'm not sure where your info came from but 95% IPA acts as a solvent on the protein that makes up the cell membrane. Without the membrane it's no longer a cell.
[14:31:02] <Jymmm> MrHindsight: CDC... Alcohols are not recommended for sterilizing medical and surgical materials principally because they lack sporicidal action and they cannot penetrate protein-rich materials.
[14:31:45] <Jymmm> Hell, even bleach can't kill "EVERYTHING".
[14:33:13] <MrHindsight> it always takes about 30 or more questions to get >90% of the conditions, requirements, budget and philosophy around what you're actually trying to do
[14:33:41] <MrHindsight> so we're only on #2 or #3 right now, so bear with me
[14:34:35] <MrHindsight> is this for a medical or surgical application?
[14:34:36] <Jymmm> You just suggested IPA for sterlization, I was just informaing you that's not recommended is all.
[14:35:29] <MrHindsight> how sterilized do they have to be?
[14:35:56] <Jymmm> I just have some HDPE carboys that had syrup in them I want perfectly clean for water storage.
[14:36:17] <Jymmm> 100%
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[14:38:07] <MrHindsight> wash and autoclave, then followed by radiation to kill anything trapped inside any HDPE pockets that could open later from flexing
[14:38:55] <MrHindsight> how are you planning on sanitizing the water before filling?
[14:39:08] <Jymmm> Uh yeah, we all have autoclave large enough to drive a small car into *rolls eyes*
[14:39:16] <newcncown> sorry how I do camera offsets?
[14:40:03] <MrHindsight> newcncown: using camview?
[14:40:30] <newcncown> I guess ,yes.
[14:40:51] <newcncown> but camview tab is empty, camera tab is active
[14:41:21] <MrHindsight> I'd wait a few weeks, or ask PSHA, we tried it the other day and it's broken
[14:41:43] <MrHindsight> it's not part of Linuxcnc, it's a 3rd party app and plugin
[14:41:59] <MrHindsight> I have to fix it and expand on it anyway
[14:42:10] <newcncown> smilar this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMlmjsdTOy4
[14:42:48] <newcncown> psha is owner this app?
[14:43:06] <MrHindsight> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Axis_Embed_Video
[14:43:43] <MrHindsight> newcncown: how did you install it? did you use psha's repos?
[14:43:48] <Jymmm> MrHindsight: Vingar... maybe *shrug*
[14:44:53] <newcncown> yes MrHindsight
[14:45:01] <MrHindsight> http://psha.org.ru/b/camview-emc.html
[14:45:07] <newcncown> but not "added by bonny"
[14:45:54] <MrHindsight> newcncown: yeah, it's broken, he has a working version but the howto skips steps and it outdated
[14:47:35] <MrHindsight> newcncown: wait a few weeks, it will probably get forked since it requires so much repair
[14:47:52] <newcncown> ok MrHindsight , Do we must waiting? or have alternative app?
[14:48:06] <MrHindsight> no alternative known
[14:48:40] <malcom2073> Jymmm: There's a movie "The confederate states of america" which is a history documentery, set in modern times if the south won the war
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[14:49:42] <Jymmm> malcom2073: I don't do history, but thanks =)
[14:49:56] <malcom2073> It's satire, but ok
[14:50:16] <newcncown> Can I install gqcam and pycamunits and gladevcp?
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[14:53:09] <MrHindsight> malcom2073: sounds similar to how several fascist groups were defeated in the mid's 40's but 50-60 years later come back and silently take over and silently win
[14:54:11] <malcom2073> MrHindsight: It's a very interesting movie, basically america is universally hated (like now), except because of slavery rather than the other reasons.
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[14:55:31] <MrHindsight> was also a film
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0389828/
[14:56:22] <malcom2073> Yeah that one
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[14:59:49] <MrHindsight> Jymmm:
http://iris.fishersci.ca/LitRepo.nsf/0/802CD760096A786A85257AB80054935B/$file/95870642.pdf
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[15:00:47] <MrHindsight> Jymmm: so you should get PP carboys that are already sterile
[15:01:44] <Jymmm> MrHindsight: Well, PP is always best but not always affordable being the issue.
[15:01:47] <pcw_home> and remember even autoclaving wont deactivate prions
[15:02:16] <humble_sea_bass> that's a spike lee joint
[15:02:38] <MrHindsight> that's why he needs to irradiate them
[15:02:44] <Jymmm> If I can get boiling water in them, might be able to get them to a level I'd be happy with.
[15:02:45] <humble_sea_bass> I actually couldnt sit through that movie
[15:03:05] <humble_sea_bass> mainly because I was watching it in virginia and there were a couple "wouldn't this be great"
[15:03:09] <humble_sea_bass> in the room
[15:03:23] <MrHindsight> the 100% sterile water will get contaminated otherwise
[15:03:26] <pcw_home> irradiates doesnt deactivate prions either
[15:03:36] <pcw_home> irradiation
[15:03:39] <MrHindsight> humble_sea_bass: yeah, scary isn't it
[15:04:02] <MrHindsight> pcw_home: then you're not using enough
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[15:05:36] <pcw_home> there is some evidence that ashing doesn't deactivate them either..
[15:05:38] <MrHindsight> washing, short MEK solvent bath, rinse, autoclave, radiation
[15:05:53] <MrHindsight> Prions are proteins
[15:06:42] <Jymmm> FUUUUUUUUCK.... To sterize First soak in hot pan of lye for 30 minutes, then hot pan of bleach FOR AN HOUR, eeeesh
[15:07:02] <pcw_home> but a template of the protein may be enough to start incorrect folding
[15:07:21] <Jymmm> THEN perform normal sterliziation... autoclave, etc
[15:07:30] <pcw_home> "Prions can be destroyed through incineration providing the incinerator can maintain a temperature of 900 F for four hours. "
[15:07:44] <Jymmm> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prion#Sterilization
[15:07:51] <MrHindsight> followed by autoclave
[15:08:39] <Jymmm> pcw_home: Fuck it, Billy Says OXYCLEAN CAN DO IT!
[15:08:39] <MrHindsight> so 900F autoclave then remolding
[15:10:26] <MrHindsight> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prion#Sterilization
[15:11:33] <Jymmm> MrHindsight: Too slow, scroll up
[15:11:36] <MrHindsight> Effective prion decontamination relies upon protein hydrolysis or reduction or destruction of protein tertiary structure.
[15:11:54] <humble_sea_bass> I've done work for some hospitals, and their sterilization facilities look a lot more like cafeteria kitchens
[15:11:59] <MrHindsight> Jymmm: no, it was a joke, followed by autoclave after 900F
[15:12:39] <Jymmm> humble_sea_bass: glorified dishwasher, except you have to handle all the sick crap!
[15:12:47] <MrHindsight> like shooting after hanging
[15:13:40] <humble_sea_bass> their equiptment was also not too good, also excessive humidity because HVAC system can't keep up
[15:14:43] <humble_sea_bass> and sterilization units that refused to print their little receipts because they couldn't hold pressure or tempearture
[15:14:49] <MrHindsight> why would anyone use used containers for such a sterile application?
[15:15:25] <skunkworks_> anyone remember what the cable driven mechenism is called where the x and y axis interact and kins are needed?
[15:15:51] <MrHindsight> how about use them as is filled with rainwater and then a Brita at the spigot?
[15:15:54] <Tom_itx> no but i saw a reprap like that with one stepper
[15:16:38] <pcw_home> skunkworks_ X something?
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[15:19:07] <archivist> hx ?
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[15:19:09] <Jymmm> Does a sump pump have ANY pressure to it?
[15:19:35] <Jymmm> 30 PSI maybe?
[15:20:02] <MrHindsight> depends on how you measure it
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[15:20:21] <Jymmm> Just want to emulate a dishwasher jets is all
[15:20:49] <Tom_itx> just get a pressure washer with a squeege wand
[15:21:02] <MrHindsight> http://hackaday.com/2014/03/15/mrrf-corexz/
[15:21:37] <MrHindsight> http://corexy.com/theory.html
[15:22:15] <humble_sea_bass> sumps have different head rratings
[15:22:29] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: I hear the electric ones are crap though
[15:23:16] <Tom_itx> so hook it to a cummins
[15:23:23] <Jymmm> lol
[15:23:51] <ChuangTzu> lol
[15:23:52] <skunkworks_> MrHindsight: exactly! thanks
[15:24:18] <MrHindsight> you can find used Hobart dishwashers for cheap, just add the restaurant disinfectant detergent and it's good enough for NSF
[15:25:01] <humble_sea_bass> what the hell are you ppl making. I kinda just got up
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[15:25:10] <humble_sea_bass> dishwashers?
[15:25:53] <MrHindsight> humble_sea_bass: he needs to clean and disinfect HDPE carboys of yet unmentioned volumes
[15:26:51] <humble_sea_bass> 5 galons probably, to make beer
[15:26:57] <humble_sea_bass> dont do it
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[15:27:03] <MrHindsight> store water
[15:27:11] <humble_sea_bass> "water"
[15:27:31] <MrHindsight> sterilized di from the sounds of it
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[15:28:38] <Jymmm> a sump pump "Do not use where water recirculates." ?!
[15:29:09] <MrHindsight> how will you sanitize the pump?
[15:29:29] <ChuangTzu> starsan
[15:29:59] <humble_sea_bass> sump pumps do not have checks so when you turn it off you're gonna have backwash
[15:30:26] <Jymmm> ChuangTzu: thanks
[15:30:34] <ChuangTzu> np
[15:31:03] <Jymmm> ChuangTzu: better than one step?
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[15:33:02] <ChuangTzu> i think starsan might be slightly better at sanitizing
[15:33:04] <MrHindsight> looks like two 1 hour baths in sodium hypochlorite
[15:33:14] <ChuangTzu> i've only used starsan and iodophore
[15:33:27] <humble_sea_bass> I use starsan for beer
[15:33:38] <Jymmm> ChuangTzu: Seems that iodophore will stain plastics
[15:33:43] <ChuangTzu> yeah, it definitely does
[15:33:57] <ChuangTzu> it's gross
[15:34:06] <Jymmm> Welding with batteries, YAY...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PV5oLPLUzrM
[15:34:37] <Jymmm> ChuangTzu: Heh, I'll hi the local brewing place today and see what they carry.
[15:34:41] <Jymmm> hit*
[15:34:49] <MrHindsight> Phosphoric Acid (75%) (CAS# 7664-38-2) 50% Dodecylbenzene Sulfonic Acid (CAS# 27176-87--0) Isopropyl Alcohol 10%
[15:35:14] <MrHindsight> nope that's not going to do it
[15:36:17] <Jymmm> MrHindsight: ?
[15:36:42] <MrHindsight> ^^ from the MSDS for Starsan
[15:37:01] <MrHindsight> http://www.jstrack.org/brewing/msds/starsan.pdf
[15:37:05] <Jymmm> MrHindsight: Yes, I read that. but why the "not going to do it" ?
[15:37:18] <MrHindsight> won't kill everything
[15:37:29] <Jymmm> Oh, nothing will kill EVERYTHING
[15:38:46] <Jymmm> but if I can still smell cherry syrup, I didn't clean it well enough =)
[15:38:53] <humble_sea_bass> why do we think there are prions in thise carboys?
[15:38:55] <ChuangTzu> use PBW first
[15:39:05] <ChuangTzu> get rid of the cherry syrup
[15:39:09] <ChuangTzu> then sanitize
[15:39:21] <ChuangTzu> then put a bacteriostatic in when you fill with water :P
[15:39:27] <XXCoder> melt the whole equipment. no more syrup smell. ;)
[15:39:30] <MrHindsight> the label said cherry syrup with chinks of real meat from the UK
[15:39:31] <Jymmm> ChuangTzu: and PBW will do that? These are HDPE carboys
[15:39:38] <ChuangTzu> yeah
[15:40:27] <MrHindsight> Prion filled Blintzes
[15:43:03] <Jymmm> ChuangTzu: HHAHAHAHAHAHA OXICLEAN
[15:43:40] <Jymmm> ChuangTzu: Ok, 1%, but still =)
[15:44:58] <MrHindsight> how about plasma or flame treating the inside?
[15:45:19] <humble_sea_bass> you know glass carboys are real cheap
[15:45:36] <skunkworks_> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/mach-software-artsoft-software-/219432-setup-pulleys-can-mach3-handle.html
[15:46:18] <XXCoder> please support if can, only less than $1000 left to go!
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1569698176/2000-student-projects-to-the-edge-of-space
[15:47:36] <MrHindsight> they should have used the flex funding so they can keep whatever they raise
[15:47:45] <XXCoder> indeed
[15:48:12] <XXCoder> I always strongly support science learning,we need more science saavy students.
[15:49:01] <MrHindsight> too bad schools don't encourage critical thinking and creativity
[15:49:14] <XXCoder> yeah. just tests. test test test test...
[15:50:04] <MrHindsight> I've seen proficiency teats for toddlers
[15:50:16] <XXCoder> oh fucking kidding me?
[15:50:32] <humble_sea_bass> teats
[15:50:33] <MrHindsight> stop letting sociopaths run schools
[15:50:54] <XXCoder> its business thats runing em now. tests take money.
[15:50:56] <MrHindsight> same for banks and governments
[15:51:30] <MrHindsight> not sure when enough people will make that connection
[15:51:50] <MrHindsight> sociopaths as leaders = bad
[15:52:05] <humble_sea_bass> well, exams are a great way to dither
[15:52:40] <Tom_itx> test to a govt standard only for govt funding
[15:52:45] <Tom_itx> not for education
[15:52:55] <humble_sea_bass> nobody is ever to blame because it is inclonclusive in the short term
[15:53:15] <humble_sea_bass> but all said and done, our kids end up scientifically illiterrate
[15:53:17] <MrHindsight> so when does it end?
[15:53:28] <MrHindsight> how bad does it have to get?
[15:53:49] <humble_sea_bass> it doesn't. crazy money to be made from textbooks that look like glossy nat-geos
[15:53:51] <XXCoder> Tom_itx: thing about tests is that it discourages any education not in tests.
[15:54:02] <XXCoder> machine shop? gone. crafts? gone.
[15:54:31] <XXCoder> critical thinking? GONE
[15:54:51] <MrHindsight> so the problem solves itself, the people that did this have died off...
[15:55:50] <MrHindsight> overpopulation, food shortage, climate change etc etc
[15:56:16] <MrHindsight> kick the ball past your lifetime
[15:56:44] <humble_sea_bass> from persoonal experience here in nyc, tests are used to try and quantify shortcomings while making money for test publishers like princeton
[15:57:18] <humble_sea_bass> the tests point at teachers/coriculums etc
[15:57:57] <humble_sea_bass> the flavor of the day, and seldom points at the straight up poverty, parents that don't know better etc
[15:58:54] <MrHindsight> evil genius
[16:00:22] <humble_sea_bass> i would like to set up one those vocational schools like in germany for kids that feel that college isn't for them
[16:00:45] <MrHindsight> A^2 + B^2 = ?, A = you are poor, B = you are poor and don't know the answer, C = A and B,
[16:01:08] <humble_sea_bass> but it is kind of terrifying when you talk to a teenager, show him a tape measure and he can't grasp 1/8ths and 1/4s and fractions in general
[16:01:41] <humble_sea_bass> I'm going to steal that and pass it off as my own Cap
[16:01:52] <MrHindsight> humble_sea_bass: what would you teach? Unions have their own apprentice programs
[16:02:11] <humble_sea_bass> Unions here are a fucking shit show
[16:02:24] <MrHindsight> what's left of them
[16:02:54] <humble_sea_bass> they have been decimated
[16:02:56] <humble_sea_bass> http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/05/20/camping-out-for-five-days-in-hopes-of-a-union-job/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0
[16:03:21] <humble_sea_bass> camping for days, to get an application for a union job
[16:04:10] <MrHindsight> plus the plan is to eliminate them so the job creators have enough money to hire more people :)
[16:04:16] <humble_sea_bass> the unions here in nyc have become the bastion of crooks too. if you know someone you can probably get in, if you're justa brown nobody, go camp outside for one of 25 spots every year
[16:05:33] <MrHindsight> my point about the apprentice programs is that all those types of jobs are being eliminated or expected to be done for slave wages
[16:06:18] <humble_sea_bass> agreed, I just think a lot of inner city kids don't know how to do dick except work a cash register
[16:06:30] <MrHindsight> the plan is to completely eliminate a middle class everywhere
[16:07:18] <MrHindsight> not sure what China will do long term, they just spent 30 years building a middle class
[16:07:20] <humble_sea_bass> there is dignity and pride when you know how to grab a piece of metal or wood and make something, which in turn probably gives you some critical thinking skills which may urge them to do something else
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[16:10:15] <humble_sea_bass> that and they're not learning math the way we're teaching it, perhaps an applied method is called for
[16:11:43] <MrHindsight> it will be interesting watching how long they can keep Greece, Spain from imploding further and watching it happen to the rest of the EU
[16:11:59] <XXCoder> The real job creators is middle class. Not rich.
[16:12:03] <MrHindsight> humble_sea_bass: they don't want to actually educate kids in schools
[16:12:41] <MrHindsight> it was turned into a business long ago
[16:12:45] <humble_sea_bass> wait, so it is really daycare!?
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[16:14:37] <MrHindsight> the problem is getting people that are the most effected by this and that don't think to understand what is happening and what they can do to change it
[16:15:12] <MrHindsight> they already seem used to how it is and don't even think about changing things
[16:15:18] <humble_sea_bass> that's the upsetting part, the idiocracy syndrome that's been injected into it all
[16:16:27] <MrHindsight> and then there are people like those in that movie theater that are on their side
[16:17:06] <MrHindsight> yet don't benefit from it, but actually are hurt by it
[16:17:23] <MrHindsight> people that want the government out of their medicare
[16:19:57] <smeding> deep conversation for a CNC channel huh
[16:20:16] <MrHindsight> it was beautiful takeover by dumbing everyone down and marketing, I didn't think that people would fall for it as easily as they did
[16:20:18] <humble_sea_bass> lets just smoke weed and machine stuff
[16:20:25] <smeding> oh, i'm not saying it's bad
[16:21:05] <MrHindsight> smeding: Deep Thoughts here on Sunday am :)
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[16:21:08] <humble_sea_bass> http://www.washingtonpost.com/pb/politics/65th-annual-shad-planking/2013/04/18/f56c5942-a81b-11e2-8302-3c7e0ea97057_gallery.html#item6
[16:21:16] <smeding> sunday PM for me, but sure
[16:21:24] <smeding> the US does seem like a shithole to me in most ways
[16:21:33] <MrHindsight> yeah
[16:22:13] <humble_sea_bass> Every time i go to the virginia shad planking thing I walk awat with is "as a white person, I want to continue being middle class at the expense of everyone else except the wealthy, because I may become wealthy too"
[16:22:16] <smeding> about the only thing i feel it has going for it compared to where i live (Netherlands) is the people seem better and there's more land around
[16:22:28] <smeding> shad planking?
[16:22:53] <ChuangTzu> the us might suck, but the rest of the world sucks more (in my experience)
[16:22:54] <humble_sea_bass> the US is only a shithole if you're poor, uneducated, and not self-aware
[16:23:19] <humble_sea_bass> self-awareness being the key to get rid of the first two
[16:23:23] <MrHindsight> smeding: lots of tech in the Netherlands, inkjet, additive manufacturing, deposition and software
[16:23:41] <smeding> lots of tech everywhere i feel like
[16:23:44] <MrHindsight> smeding: I've been wondering what drives it there
[16:24:48] <smeding> i don't feel i see it more here than other places
[16:25:05] <smeding> that said, i haven't tallied :p
[16:26:04] <MrHindsight> also depends on where you are in the US or Texas :)
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[16:26:36] <smeding> i'm not sure if the US is much good if you're middle class either
[16:27:09] <smeding> saw a nice study recently that basically reported that when rich people and average people disagree about something, the rich people get their way
[16:27:23] <smeding> https://www.princeton.edu/~mgilens/Gilens%20homepage%20materials/Gilens%20and%20Page/Gilens%20and%20Page%202014-Testing%20Theories%203-7-14.pdf
[16:27:24] <MrHindsight> also depends on how you measure
[16:27:37] <smeding> sure, doesn't anything? that's why i'm linking the paper
[16:27:52] <smeding> i read through it, and while i'm not a political scientist it seemed rigorous enough
[16:28:25] <MrHindsight> I've witnessed this happening here for decades
[16:29:20] <smeding> i think it might also be partly due to disillusionment with 'the system'
[16:29:24] <smeding> that's something i see here
[16:30:16] <MrHindsight> there was a movement here in the 60's that had that as a central theme
[16:31:30] <MrHindsight> so 20 years later they were more clever with how they marketed the takeover, and 9-11 was a dream for them
[16:35:09] <MrHindsight> humble_sea_bass:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Taylor_Gatto
[16:36:08] <MrHindsight> he used to try to subvert the system from within all the while appearing to be the model teacher from the point of view of the administration
[16:38:39] <humble_sea_bass> It presents an incoherent ensemble of information that the child needs to memorize to stay in school. Apart from the tests and trials that programming is similar to the television, it fills almost all the "free" time of children. One sees and hears something, only to forget it again.
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[16:43:40] <IchGuckLive> hi all
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[16:46:50] <MrHindsight> IchGuckLive: how is spring doing there?
[16:46:54] <Jymmm> Penny battery
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIdPfDHeROI
[16:49:56] <MrHindsight> so 1.6 million pennies gets you 1 million volts
[16:50:54] <IchGuckLive> its great here in western germany
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[16:52:09] <MrHindsight> how many pennies in parallel to get ~100A for welding?
[16:54:28] <MrHindsight> 1.39 Joules per cell as measured
http://www.wired.com/2012/09/could-a-penny-battery-power-a-house/
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[17:03:08] <archivist> we had a gullible noob in ##electronics wanting to recover joules from wifi the other day
[17:07:06] <humble_sea_bass> power your house with this one weird trick
[17:07:11] <humble_sea_bass> obama hates him
[17:07:46] <Loetmichel> hihi
[17:09:34] <Loetmichel> the strange thing is: the priciple behind this works
[17:10:40] <humble_sea_bass> it does work, but those annoying resonant battery chargers are crazy inefficient
[17:10:55] <Loetmichel> i remember a veriofied story that a "garden house" community in germany used the power output of a 150kW medum wave radio transmitter to light their sheds/houses ;-)
[17:11:04] <MrHindsight> http://translate.google.com/#nl/en/hihi
[17:11:38] <Loetmichel> just put a fluoroescent tube on the ceiling, some wire to the ground and some wire to the roof... -> voilla, fre light ;-)
[17:12:50] <Loetmichel> ... worked until the radio station disocered that teir spread in one direction was worse than a legal cb-transmitter ;-)
[17:13:07] <archivist> I think a trip to court was threatened in the uk for the shed light trick
[17:13:54] <MrHindsight> yeah the FCC here has lots of regulations on how receivers cab radiate more power than intentional transmitters
[17:14:02] <MrHindsight> cab/can
[17:14:27] <humble_sea_bass> you guys ever get to make a crystal radio??
[17:15:04] <MrHindsight> it's all we had until tubes were invented
[17:15:13] <Loetmichel> humble_sea_bass:in my pre-school years, yes ;-)
[17:15:54] <humble_sea_bass> my dad and I made one when I was a kid, the whole no batteries thing threw me for a loop
[17:16:23] <Loetmichel> MrHindsight: german "hihi" more like [chuckle]
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[17:17:29] <MrHindsight> Loetmichel: I was wondering so I checked with google translate, only the Dutch was translated as a laugh
[17:18:36] <MrHindsight> TeeHee I guess in English LOL
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[18:11:14] <IchGuckLive> have a nice sunday it it still is BYE
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[18:13:47] <XXCoder> penny power that would cost a pretty penny
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[18:36:32] <MrHindsight> http://www.3ders.org/articles/20140427-make-your-own-3d-printed-microscopes-for-as-little-as-2-dolloar.html
[18:37:09] <XXCoder> yeah saw it. awesome.
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[18:39:19] <MrHindsight> Yoda heads with microscopes for eyes
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[18:42:29] <XXCoder> MrHindsight: oh differwnt one
[18:42:31] <XXCoder> awesome
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[18:48:07] <Loetmichel> hmm, it seems that i eat MUCH to much babybels... thats the third candle made of tuna cans, babybel covers and toilet paper as a wick in as many weeks... ->
http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14856 ;-)
[18:51:00] <somenewguy_shp> huh, so i am trying to set up my 4th axis, is it possible to set up an axis as always homed and w/o rotational limit from he .ini file? is that the right way of doing it?
[18:51:37] <ChuangTzu> Loetmichel: nice keyboard
[18:51:49] <ChuangTzu> are those e-liquids?
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[18:51:58] <JesusAlos> hi
[18:52:00] <Loetmichel> yes
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[18:53:20] <somenewguy_shp> are the specific info on how the .ini file works not contained in the user manual pdf?
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[19:19:36] <jthornton> no, it is in the Integrators manual
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[19:31:20] <JesusAlos> http://imagebin.org/307854
[19:31:26] <JesusAlos> I have this error
[19:31:35] <JesusAlos> but don't know why
[19:31:47] <JesusAlos> any idea please?
[19:32:30] <MrHindsight> missing a tool change
[19:33:31] <MrHindsight> JesusAlos: does the g-code call for a tool change or did you just randomly get that error?
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[19:36:28] <JesusAlos> there no are call to tool change in my gcode
[19:36:42] <MrHindsight> somenewguy_shp:
http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/config/ini_config.html
[19:37:21] <MrHindsight> JesusAlos: does it happen every time you reach that point in the program?
[19:38:41] <JesusAlos> Approximately think yes, but not sure because in the program are about 18000 lines
[19:39:00] <JesusAlos> and I don't see at the moment when happens
[19:39:49] <MrHindsight> http://www.linuxcnc.org/linuxcnc/emc2/emc2/emc2/index.php/english/forum/38-general-linuxcnc-questions/27750-getting-qneed-tool-prepared-txx-for-toolchangeq
[19:46:35] <jthornton> JesusAlos, search your G code for M6
[19:48:00] <somenewguy_shp> oh man MrHindsight thanks
[19:48:06] <somenewguy_shp> but i broke it haha
[19:49:00] <somenewguy_shp> http://pastebin.com/wMXB7VaA
[19:49:07] <somenewguy_shp> anythign jump out at you there?
[19:49:32] <somenewguy_shp> I think i got the ini right but hal is the issue. I re-ran my step conf to a dummy config, and copy-pasted the axis 3 info into my existing hal
[19:50:09] <JesusAlos> I don't have M6 in my gcode. I delete it and do the same
[19:50:16] <somenewguy_shp> the ini I setup from an online example and somequick maths, which seem right, wholey hell is that lil guy fast
[19:50:20] <somenewguy_shp> nice to have so little friction lol
[19:51:03] <jthornton> JesusAlos, what version are you running?
[19:52:05] <JesusAlos> 2.6.0
[19:52:40] <JesusAlos> 2.6.0-pre0-5409-ge66e5c9
[19:53:03] <JesusAlos> but happens too in 2.5
[19:53:06] <JesusAlos> I try it
[19:54:38] <JesusAlos> there are other problem in the file. I don't sure if is related with the same issue
[19:54:56] <JesusAlos> the machine stops suddenly
[19:55:12] <JesusAlos> whitout gcode order
[19:55:42] <JesusAlos> http://imagebin.org/307856
[19:56:04] <JesusAlos> http://imagebin.org/307857
[19:56:38] <JesusAlos> I put images because is more easy explain to me
[20:02:42] <somenewguy_shp> ok I can't get this to work at all, that error mesage is way too cryptic for mre
[20:03:00] <somenewguy_shp> I might just have to unplug the Y axis and plug the A in ther and fudge it for today
[20:11:02] <Tom_itx> what sizes come standard in a metric spade drill set?
[20:11:16] <Tom_itx> since they aren't really sold here...
[20:12:00] <humble_sea_bass> never seen those in metric
[20:12:12] <humble_sea_bass> just in freedom units
[20:12:42] <Tom_itx> british still use brace and bits?
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[20:14:38] <humble_sea_bass> looks like 10 13 16 19 22 25
[20:14:51] <Tom_itx> yep, found the same on ebay
[20:15:04] <XXCoder> holy crap.
http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/Science-Fiction-News.asp?NewsNum=4165
[20:15:13] <Connor> http://www.amazon.co.uk/PKE-Pro-Spec-Bosch-Selfcut-Speed/dp/B009JTLH0A/ref=sr_1_33?ie=UTF8&qid=1398629700&sr=8-33&keywords=paddle+bits
[20:15:17] <XXCoder> microengineering via cnc tiny robots
[20:17:05] <humble_sea_bass> fostner bits are better than spades
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[20:17:38] <Tom_itx> i knwo
[20:17:44] <Tom_itx> someone was asking...
[20:18:20] <humble_sea_bass> be sure to wag your finger at them then
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[20:27:17] <somenewguy_shp> SHAZZAM! one extra 0, and I ahve a4th axis
[20:29:39] <humble_sea_bass> thanks zero
[20:32:53] <Jymmm> ChuangTzu: ping
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[20:43:40] <ChuangTzu> Jymmm: hey
[20:43:53] <Jymmm> ChuangTzu: Guess what I found?
[20:44:07] <ChuangTzu> a kg of gold?
[20:44:15] <ChuangTzu> :S
[20:44:20] <Jymmm> ChuangTzu: Not even in my wet dreams!
[20:44:27] <XXCoder> dilio of silver then
[20:45:06] <Jymmm> ChuangTzu: PBW $20/lb = 30% Sodium Metasilicate
[20:45:21] <JesusAlos> please, attempt to found the list of all possibles text error messages in linuxcnc
[20:45:21] <Jymmm> $15-$20/lb
[20:45:37] <JesusAlos> remember there are a list, but not found it now
[20:46:06] <Jymmm> ChuangTzu: Red Devil TSP/90, $4.99/lb = 100% Sodium Metasilicate
[20:46:26] <ChuangTzu> pbw isn't only sodium metasilicate though, i don't think
[20:46:39] <ChuangTzu> the msds says it contains "silicates, phosphates, and surfactants"
[20:46:41] <Jymmm> ChuangTzu: "other phosphates"
[20:46:55] <ChuangTzu> but it only lists the sodium metasilicate
[20:47:08] <Jymmm> ChuangTzu: right, as the primary ingrediant
[20:47:21] <Jymmm> ChuangTzu: It's basically industrial laundry soap
[20:47:42] <Jymmm> ...and concrete cleaner =)
[20:47:51] <ChuangTzu> it works great :)
[20:48:56] <Jymmm> ChuangTzu: So $5/lb @ 100% makes it about $1.67/lb vs $15-$20/lb for PBW
[20:49:03] <ChuangTzu> so it's a powder, of which 30% is sodium metasilicate
[20:49:10] <ChuangTzu> what's the composition of the other 70%
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[20:49:27] <Jymmm> ChuangTzu: Lie most things, inert ingrediants
[20:49:30] <Jymmm> like*
[20:49:37] <ChuangTzu> i'm not so sure that's the case
[20:49:38] <Jymmm> probably
[20:49:45] <ChuangTzu> because such a minimal amount is required
[20:49:51] <ChuangTzu> and it all dissolves
[20:50:05] <ChuangTzu> it's not like comet where it's mostly talcum powder
[20:50:08] <ChuangTzu> i hate that shit
[20:50:10] <Jymmm> ChuangTzu: Well PBM is 1/oz per gallon
[20:50:18] <Jymmm> PBW*
[20:50:43] <Jymmm> ChuangTzu: Yeah but comet would burn most ppl in the home if it was 100%
[20:51:29] <Jymmm> ChuangTzu: Look at household vinegar for example, it's only ~5%
[20:51:50] <ChuangTzu> yeah, but that's the concentration people use vinegar at :)
[20:51:57] <ChuangTzu> they put it on salads and stuff like that
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[20:52:51] <Jymmm> I mean the gal jugs of white vineger/restraunt supply
[20:53:06] <ChuangTzu> also that's pretty much the optimum concentration for cleaning
[20:53:24] <ChuangTzu> comet is almost totally inert
[20:53:29] <ChuangTzu> it doesn't even do anything
[20:53:35] <ChuangTzu> it's a scam
[20:53:40] <Jymmm> Hey, I thorugh out enough empty perfectly reusable containers that I can make my own tyvm =)
[20:54:07] <Jymmm> throw*
[20:54:13] <ChuangTzu> the internet thinks that PBW is the same as oxyclean
[20:54:25] <Jymmm> CAS never lies =)
[20:55:01] <ChuangTzu> but the MSDS only lists 30% of the composition :S
[20:55:40] <Jymmm> ChuangTzu: If there were more toxic ingrediants, I suspect the MSDS would list them
[20:55:58] <ChuangTzu> sure, but just because they aren't toxic, doesn't mean they aren't part of the cleaning power
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[20:56:46] <Jymmm> ChuangTzu: Maybe, but I'd tke a chance on $5 before $20 =)
[20:57:19] <Jymmm> ChuangTzu: Plus a couple of brew forums mention it too
[20:58:30] <ChuangTzu> yeah, i mean your end goal isn't very critical
[20:58:35] <ChuangTzu> try something and see if it's clean
[20:58:38] <ChuangTzu> and if not, try again :)
[20:59:05] <Jymmm> ChuangTzu: Yeah, a 1LB bag should last forever
[21:00:10] <Jymmm> ChuangTzu:
http://www.bertusbrewery.com/2012/11/super-charge-your-oxiclean.html
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[21:03:35] <Jymmm> ChuangTzu: There's your 100% =)
[21:04:53] <XXCoder> "For a chelator, use citric acid. You can get it in a 5 pound bag dirt cheap from Amazon (search: spicy world)."
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[21:05:30] <Jymmm> Goto any winery and get citric acid in 50lb bag cheap =)
[21:06:03] <humble_sea_bass> thanks zerouse citric acid instead of TSP?
[21:06:32] <Jymmm> humble_sea_bass: TSP is not available now.
[21:06:46] <Jymmm> TriSodiumPhosphate.
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[21:07:43] <Deejay> gn8
[21:07:48] <Jymmm> citric acid is still nasty stuff though, should use a repirator
[21:07:53] <Jymmm> GN9 Deejay
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[21:11:37] <humble_sea_bass> i just take carboys from the office and then don't wash them and bring em back, let the polands spring ppl deal with it
[21:12:00] <Jymmm> lol
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[21:12:35] <humble_sea_bass> starsan is almost too much work for me. every time i make beer i feel i am doing nothing but washing dishes, but more annoying
[21:13:31] * Jymmm notes: Don't drink beer from humble_sea_bass
[21:13:45] <Jymmm> ;)
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[21:28:38] <humble_sea_bass> fyi:
http://www.esquire.com/cm/esquire/images/LE/photo-614-3.jpg
[21:29:53] <Jymmm> humble_sea_bass: DUH, everybody knows that
[21:30:16] <Jymmm> humble_sea_bass: It's called a smartphone!
[21:30:34] <humble_sea_bass> but did you google doctors that remove microchips
[21:30:48] <XXCoder> lol
[21:31:17] <somenewguy_shp> where can i find a primer on using my new A axis?
[21:31:21] <somenewguy_shp> feedrates are very confusing
[21:32:15] <XXCoder> is there tutorials on how to set design up and cnc machine parameters? I keep running into "out of bounds" type errors
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[21:36:32] <Jymmm> humble_sea_bass:
http://pesn.com/2009/12/16/9501595_another_chip_in_Boyce_shoulder/
[21:38:41] <Jymmm> humble_sea_bass: Just becasue you think they are out to get you, doesn't mean they're not! Not like the the NSA is recording all email and phones calls or anything <grin>
[21:39:23] <Jymmm> humble_sea_bass: All those conspiracy theory wackos weren't so crazy after all =)
[21:39:42] <humble_sea_bass> just cuz they are right doesn't mean they're not nuts
[21:40:05] <Jymmm> You gotta be a lil crazy to survive in this world =)
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[21:52:06] <MrHindsight> sodium hypochlorite, followed by titratable iodine,then ClO2 gas in solution (5NaClO2 +4H+===> 4ClO2 (g) + 5NaCl + 2H2O), then phosphoric acid and dodecylbenzene sulfonic acid
[21:54:18] <MrHindsight> then flame treat the inside of the container to close any pores that may have developed over time
[21:57:28] <ChuangTzu> flame treat the inside of the HDPE?
[21:58:33] <MrHindsight> we do it to raise the surface energy before printing but it will also sanitize and close small fractures
[22:04:24] <XXCoder> how many cnc machinists are also beer brewers?
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[22:14:08] <JesusAlos> any body use gmoccapy interface?
[22:14:41] <JesusAlos> why must use axis or gmoccapy?
[22:15:21] <JesusAlos> is just for taste reason?
[22:15:27] <humble_sea_bass> just use glass
[22:15:31] <humble_sea_bass> pro-tip
[22:15:47] <humble_sea_bass> 100% of engineers and machinists are beer brewers
[22:15:55] <humble_sea_bass> some don't know iot yet, but they are
[22:16:04] <humble_sea_bass> it is about process
[22:16:22] <XXCoder> lol
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[22:19:37] <JesusAlos> thanks for your sutil explanation
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[22:23:52] <JesusAlos> About this issue "Need tool prepared -Txx- for toolchange" the I mentioned late,
[22:24:11] <JesusAlos> http://imagebin.org/307854
[22:24:41] <JesusAlos> only delete the command M6 in final code
[22:25:32] <JesusAlos> http://pastebin.com/GRZxMsVA
[22:26:23] <JesusAlos> the strange is command M6 is on line 18340 of file
[22:26:35] <JesusAlos> but the error appear in line 4500 aprox
[22:27:27] <JesusAlos> so when I remove M6 the problem fix
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[22:27:38] <JesusAlos> strange?
[22:27:41] <XXCoder> other imge at imagebin lol
http://imagebin.org/307852
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[22:35:44] <MrHindsight> JesusAlos: how many times is there an M6 in that file?
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[22:36:35] <JesusAlos> 2 times
[22:36:52] <JesusAlos> in heather "T0 M6"
[22:37:00] <JesusAlos> and in the end "M6
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[22:38:30] <JesusAlos> 2 problems happens:
[22:38:42] <JesusAlos> 1 appear "Need tool prepared -Txx- for toolchange" message error
[22:39:18] <JesusAlos> 2 the machine stop several lines after the message
[22:39:41] <JesusAlos> whit out error at stop
[22:40:36] <JesusAlos> I can pass the gcode if some body want to try
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[22:51:12] <cradek> you must have a T before each M6
[22:51:39] <JesusAlos> is a file auto-generated by cambam
[22:52:22] <cradek> then cadman has a bug
[22:53:37] <JesusAlos> Why appear the error before read M6 line?
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[23:02:14] <PetefromTn_> Been milling on these scope rails today. So far so good...
[23:02:39] <PetefromTn_> I am liking this little 60 degree dovetail cutter it is TINY at only .375 diameter...
[23:02:59] <PetefromTn_> Mics out at .395 diamter so much for accurate grinding I guess.
[23:03:20] <PetefromTn_> It does seem to make a nice clean cut tho and the accuracy of the dovetails is in the offset of course.
[23:03:58] <PetefromTn_> Once I get this thing finished and scotchbrited I will maybe post some pictures of it if you guys are interested in seeing it.
[23:04:05] <PetefromTn_> There is some bad news tho.
[23:04:38] <PetefromTn_> The fellow I am making these for has a NEW version of the same rifle and APPARENTLY the dovetail surface of the receiver is much shorter than the one I designed for.
[23:04:51] <PetefromTn_> SO I am gonna have to REDESIGN it to be short for that gun.
[23:04:55] <PetefromTn_> SUcks
[23:05:10] <JesusAlos> gn
[23:05:11] <Tom_itx> so you got 2 models now
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[23:05:19] <JesusAlos> thank
[23:05:37] <PetefromTn_> But I was looking at the ones I already made and it seems like I can just change the shape of the base a little and lose the vertical bit and arrive at a working part.
[23:05:44] <PetefromTn_> Yeah now I got two models LOL
[23:06:17] <PetefromTn_> It is just frustrating because I HAD the program working for this one pretty good and I was hoping to just switch seamlessly to the new gun without too much changes.
[23:06:20] <PetefromTn_> Oh well
[23:06:26] <PetefromTn_> It is not that terribly different.
[23:06:37] <PetefromTn_> Waiting on the customer to APPROVE the idea for the new one
[23:06:50] <PetefromTn_> Then I will go ahead and change the program for it and cut one of those.
[23:07:18] <PetefromTn_> Anyone else making anything interesting with thier CNC's today???!!!! HMMmm ?
[23:07:20] <Tom_itx> nothing productive here.. been playin with my new phone
[23:07:37] <PetefromTn_> They are addictive huh.
[23:07:49] <PetefromTn_> I need to ante up and get a NEWER smartphone at some point.
[23:07:49] <Tom_itx> just getting what i need set up is all
[23:07:59] <PetefromTn_> Mine is kinda getting a bit long in the tooth.
[23:08:10] <Tom_itx> 2 databases for work and a screen full of apps
[23:08:15] <PetefromTn_> That can take some time for sure
[23:08:26] <PetefromTn_> getting everything to work and look the way you like.
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[23:08:41] <PetefromTn_> loading all the apps you like.
[23:08:47] <PetefromTn_> Reloading all your contact info.
[23:08:58] <Tom_itx> was easier than on my old ipaq
[23:09:01] <PetefromTn_> Setting up your favorite porn websites...OOPS sorry LOL
[23:09:06] <PetefromTn_> JK
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[23:09:57] <PetefromTn_> I have some apps I have grown to like that I will need to work on the new phone.
[23:13:38] <Tom_itx> so far i'm fairly impressed with the voice recognition on it
[23:14:27] <PetefromTn_> Does it recognize TExan slang LOL?
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[23:15:49] <PetefromTn_> OOoooh man my wife made my FAVORITE Dinner tonight.
[23:16:01] <Tom_itx> i had the app for the datafile ready in ~3 hrs which included rewriting part of the host program to export the proper data format
[23:16:02] <PetefromTn_> We often go to Carrabba's Italian Grill
[23:16:14] <Tom_itx> and learning how the new app worked and importing it all
[23:16:21] <PetefromTn_> My favorite dish there is Spiedino Di mare...
[23:16:36] <PetefromTn_> She cooked it on the grill out back and made homemade Fettucini Alfredo.
[23:16:48] <PetefromTn_> DAMN IT IS GOOD
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[23:58:09] <Duc> Hello
