#linuxcnc | Logs for 2014-04-17

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[00:00:52] <GuShH_> I wonder if the PRO has sounds
[00:00:58] <shaun413_> i cant use it
[00:01:09] <GuShH_> it would be fun if it had chatter and other noises
[00:01:25] <GuShH_> shaun413: hm?
[00:01:35] <shaun413_> how do I make it work
[00:02:24] <XXCoder> I cant answer if it has sounds or not lol
[00:02:55] <GuShH_> should also simulate long hair, sleeves, bracelets and wrist watches.
[00:02:59] <GuShH_> enable gore: yes
[00:03:04] <GuShH_> Woooo
[00:03:16] <GuShH_> splat, splat, splat.
[00:03:45] <shaun413_> its working
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[00:07:06] <XXCoder> lol
[00:07:18] <XXCoder> shaun413_: it does come with lots examples so you has plenty to do and see
[00:07:35] <GuShH_> not much at all in mm it seems
[00:07:58] <shaun413_> yes
[00:08:01] <shaun413_> im done with it
[00:08:07] <XXCoder> use inches mode
[00:08:13] <GuShH_> that's how long you would have used your lathe for
[00:08:14] <GuShH_> hahaha
[00:08:37] <shaun413_> :/
[00:09:08] <shaun413_> noo
[00:10:55] <shaun413_> lies
[00:11:11] <GuShH_> you in a nutshell
[00:11:46] <shaun413_> i am a nutshell
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[00:22:46] <shaun413_> if i can get a hf lathe for free...
[00:22:48] <shaun413_> should I?
[00:23:36] <witnit> I told you before they make good doorstops
[00:23:40] <shaun413_> :/
[00:23:46] <shaun413_> WHATA ABOUT MICROLUX
[00:31:06] <Connor> Hey Guys, Trying to mill some mystery alumn.. It's a cover plate for a 19" rack... I need to cut it down to around 6.5" x 6.5" square.. I can mount it in my vise by mounting the rear jaw to the back.. but, when I clamp it.. it lifts up..
[00:31:19] <Connor> as I mill into it.. I get chatter in the middle...
[00:31:28] <XXCoder> not flat?
[00:31:30] <Connor> and.. I don't have enough Y travel
[00:31:59] <Connor> I can rotate the vise around 90 degrees and mill it along the X as long as I leave the doors open on the enclosure..
[00:32:21] <_methods> yeah that sux
[00:32:23] <Connor> but, that's still not going to fix the plate lifting.. it's only 3/16" thick or so.
[00:32:24] <_methods> hard to hold the middle
[00:32:33] <_methods> can you drill holes in the middle?
[00:32:51] <XXCoder> yeah if planned to have holes could just make a hole
[00:32:52] <Connor> not really. It's going to be panels in my computer case.
[00:33:02] <_methods> you might be able to use a heavy bag of shot
[00:33:10] <_methods> or something very heavy and lay in the middle
[00:33:14] <_methods> and support below
[00:33:34] <shaun413_> http://www.micromark.com/microlux-7x16-mini-lathe,9615.html
[00:33:34] <_methods> it's alwyas the bitch machining sheet metal
[00:33:39] <shaun413_> \touhgts on this?
[00:33:43] <Connor> really.. this isn't the right tool to be cutting this down.
[00:34:06] <_methods> well you gotta do what you gotta do
[00:34:09] <Connor> OMG, shaun413_ How many times are you gonna ask?
[00:34:13] <shaun413_> idk
[00:34:18] <shaun413_> is that or lms better?
[00:34:55] <Connor> I'll list them out in order... MM and LMS are about the same.. the MM is longer, Grizzly next best, then HF..
[00:35:03] <shaun413_> lathemaster?
[00:35:13] <Connor> lathemaster ?
[00:35:18] <shaun413_> http://www.lathemaster.com/LATHEMASTER8x14Lathe.htm
[00:35:31] <ChuangTzu> hola
[00:36:01] <Connor> Here: go read.. http://www.mini-lathe.com/
[00:36:50] <Connor> http://www.mini-lathe.com/Mini_lathe/Reviews/Reviews.htm
[00:37:20] <ChuangTzu> i saw one of those at HF the other day
[00:37:33] <Connor> Join the 7x12 Yahoo mail list too.. and ask.
[00:37:59] <Connor> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/7x12minilathe/info
[00:38:18] <Connor> I don't know much about the lathemaster.
[00:38:52] <shaun413_> micromark is inches/
[00:38:53] <shaun413_> ?
[00:39:04] <Connor> Yes. the leadscrews are in inches instead of metric.
[00:39:07] <shaun413_> :/
[00:39:23] <Connor> which most US people prefer.
[00:40:02] <shaun413_> why?
[00:40:05] <Connor> again, ask on the 7x12 list.. they can help.
[00:40:24] <Connor> answer all those kinds of questions.. this is really a channel for LinuxCNC and CNC..
[00:40:36] <Connor> we do try to help.. but, your talking about doing this manually..
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[00:41:05] <_methods> ^^
[00:41:12] <shaun413_> :/
[00:41:16] <ChuangTzu> i have another unrelated comment to make
[00:41:21] <shaun413_> ok ill get out of your hair
[00:41:24] <GuShH_> he wants to go hand solo
[00:41:25] <ChuangTzu> i'm in negotiations on renting out a small industrial space
[00:41:32] <ChuangTzu> the dude agreed to install 3-phase in the unit
[00:41:40] <ChuangTzu> was just about to sign the lease and the dude jacked up the price
[00:41:47] <_methods> lame
[00:42:00] <ChuangTzu> apparently doesn't think anyone else wants 3-phase and was balking at the cost of installing it
[00:42:12] <ChuangTzu> so i was like fine, screw the 3-phase
[00:42:12] <Connor> shaun413_ fill free to drop in anytime.. especially when your ready to convert to CNC.
[00:42:40] <ChuangTzu> i can get a phase converter for less than the difference in rent
[00:43:14] <Connor> ChuangTzu: Go that route then.. just make sure you get it sized correctly for the equipment and the equipment doesn't have issues running off a phase converter.
[00:43:25] <PetefromTn_> Connor what are you trying to do man?
[00:43:48] <ChuangTzu> what kind of issues might it have?
[00:43:52] <Connor> PetefromTn_: Try to cut down some alumn plate around 3/16" of a inch thick.. using my mill.
[00:44:00] <_methods> well how much HP are you needing for your machines?
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[00:44:21] <ChuangTzu> right now we are limited by the size of the doorway
[00:44:22] <_methods> if you need a lot of hp then phase converters and vfd's are more expensive
[00:44:31] <_methods> or can be
[00:44:36] <Connor> PetefromTn_: Would be better to cut it down with a bandsaw.. but.. mine isn't up for the task.. (little skill bandsaw..)
[00:44:42] <ChuangTzu> so the biggest machine we could be running would be like a cnc knee or bed mill
[00:44:52] <PetefromTn_> Bring it on by man I will cut it for ya...
[00:44:54] <_methods> ah yeah you should be fine
[00:44:58] <ChuangTzu> sweet
[00:45:21] <Connor> I HATE not having the right tool to do the job.
[00:45:38] <Connor> Just trying to make cover plates for my enclosure.
[00:45:45] <PetefromTn_> Well ya know I got the right tools LOL
[00:45:47] <Connor> and mount 3 switches in it.
[00:45:58] <Jymmm> Connor: EXPLOSIVES are always the right tool for the job =)
[00:46:13] <ChuangTzu> agreed
[00:46:14] <Connor> and the holes have to be milled because they're 20mm with flats..
[00:46:27] <_methods> P = Plenty
[00:46:35] <Connor> which, I can do.. but holding the alumn so it doesn't bow is problem.
[00:47:10] <Jymmm> Connor: 12ga with 000 will make perfect holes =)
[00:47:10] <ChuangTzu> 20mm holes, use a vulcan cannon
[00:47:17] <PetefromTn_> If you wanna do it yourself get some 3/4 MDF and glue it down with carpet tape and take shallow cuts..
[00:47:23] <_methods> i've used screw jacks and weight on top
[00:47:24] * ChuangTzu rides Jymmm's wavelength
[00:47:30] <Jymmm> haha
[00:47:35] <_methods> put a plate on the screw jacks
[00:47:40] <_methods> then level them to the part
[00:47:41] <ChuangTzu> cnc vulcan cannon
[00:47:44] <_methods> put weight on top
[00:47:48] <Jymmm> _methods: no need
[00:48:09] <Connor> okay. Going to go eat a cup cake and chill and watch some TV.
[00:48:14] <ChuangTzu> see ya
[00:48:25] <PetefromTn_> Like I said you are welcome to bring it here..
[00:48:25] <Jymmm> _methods: but the holes will be tapered in hole tiny, out hole HUGE!!!
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[00:48:37] <_methods> ?
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[01:03:01] <Connor> http://www.widgetworksunlimited.com/CNC_Pressure_Foot_for_ShopBot_PRT_p/cnc-pressure-sb_prt.htm
[01:03:04] <Connor> interesting...
[01:03:04] <witnit> where do are the realtime modules like, if I want to call "loadrt epp"
[01:03:35] <witnit> It says Its not there
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[01:05:07] <witnit> I assumed the realtime pieces were already installed, but I didnt see any which Im needing
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[01:07:15] <PCW> real time components should be installed (though epp is not a standard component)
[01:07:58] <witnit> Is there a place I can find the realtime modules I need such as epp and hm_7i90
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[01:08:42] <PCW> they should be part of the 7i90 branch
[01:09:07] <witnit> I thought I found it on github, but I never used git
[01:09:16] <andypugh> Connor: Double-sided tape the sheet to a slab of plywood or MDF. If you play thing right you could use drilled holes in the wood as references for re-jigging to bypass the Y-limit problem.
[01:09:22] <witnit> and didnt know what to look for elseware
[01:10:31] <andypugh> witnit: The list is third from the bottom here: http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/
[01:10:43] <witnit> thank you andy
[01:11:01] <andypugh> 7i90 falls under “hostmot2”
[01:12:46] <andypugh> You probably need to read the description of every one and make your own notes. For example “weighted_sum” is also good for bits-to-integer conversion, and lut5 is almost like magic if you can figure it out.
[01:13:36] <andypugh> And ’tis time for me to sleep.
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[01:14:00] <witnit> andy I dont see it
[01:14:09] <witnit> two other boards but not mine
[01:14:24] <witnit> sleep well thank you though
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[01:17:37] <PCW> http://git.linuxcnc.org/gitweb?p=linuxcnc.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/hm2-7i90-3
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[01:18:50] <PCW> Probably easiest to just bite the bullet get git setup and build that branch from source
[01:19:13] <witnit> okay, I can do that, I just thought these were files I could download
[01:19:26] <witnit> with say.... wget epp
[01:19:58] <witnit> Thank you
[01:20:12] <PCW> you could download the source bits that way
[01:20:47] <witnit> well, I probably didnt know what I was getting myself into
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[01:20:59] <PCW> (there not much there)
[01:21:01] <PCW> Im hoping that the 7I90 will just get folded into the hm2_epp driver post 2.6
[01:21:14] <witnit> I thought it was like change some file names in the hal file and add some inputs and outputs
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[01:21:54] <witnit> That would make things nice
[01:22:01] <PCW> Actually it should have been that easy (it should have worked with the 7I43 driver as is)
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[01:22:22] <witnit> yeah like I said I didnt really think otherwise haha
[01:23:21] <witnit> I will play around with it awhile and see what I learn, doing these things are good for me since I been mostly using pnconf in the past
[01:23:30] <PCW> but the 7I43 driver resets the FPGA even if you dont specify a bitfile
[01:23:32] <PCW> which causes the 7I90 to go away long enough the driver gives up while checking for it
[01:23:43] <witnit> yeah I was getting timeout
[01:24:10] <witnit> when I tryed to talk with it, I was probably doing something wrong too
[01:24:31] <PCW> mesaflash should talk to it
[01:24:34] <witnit> see I have these three DIO boards and I thought I could just turn them all into 50 pin DIO and be done with it
[01:24:39] <witnit> well it wouldnt list it
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[01:25:08] <witnit> I couldnt get it to show up anything so I switch parport and tried --addr my other printer port but to no avail
[01:25:31] <PCW> that may be because the port is not in EPP mode or the address is wrong
[01:25:44] <witnit> well I went to bios and checked for eppp
[01:25:56] <witnit> and then did 0x378
[01:26:12] <witnit> assuming that would be defaulting to work
[01:26:21] <PCW> I have been able to read info and flash 7I90s via mesaflash
[01:26:31] <witnit> I will try again
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[01:26:52] <witnit> I am using mesaflash bunded with 5i25 due to lipci3
[01:26:57] <PCW> dos the 7I90 configure itself at power up?
[01:26:57] <witnit> bundled*
[01:27:24] <witnit> I would know this by?
[01:27:42] <PCW> I fixed the 7I90 dist but the 5i25mesaflash is the same
[01:27:50] <PCW> no red leds
[01:27:55] <witnit> ok no red leds
[01:27:57] <witnit> just yellow
[01:28:20] <PCW> just one yellow power LED
[01:28:26] <witnit> yes
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[01:29:21] <witnit> the mesaflash on the mesa website is now downgraded you say?
[01:30:00] <PCW> theres mesaflash and mesaflash3
[01:30:30] <PCW> mesaflash is for ubuntu 10.04, mesaflash3 for 12.04
[01:30:58] <witnit> you work so quickly
[01:31:07] <witnit> haha this was an issue yesterday and its updated now
[01:31:51] <PCW> Michael just sent me a new mesaflash let me update the fpga zip files, the mesaflash you have has no EPP support
[01:32:02] <witnit> ah i see
[01:32:08] <witnit> i should have known
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[01:32:22] <PCW> you can also build mesaflash3 on your system
[01:32:37] <witnit> that would be smartest i think
[01:33:19] <PCW> dont think much more than unpacking the source and typing 'make' is involved
[01:33:45] <witnit> still nothing listing
[01:34:07] <PCW> what motherboard?
[01:34:46] <PCW> you mean you built mesaflash3 and it does not find the 7I90?
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[01:36:28] <witnit> I will pastebin
[01:36:53] <witnit> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/10947210
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[01:40:42] <PCW> ahh that source must be too old to be smarter about the includes
[01:41:03] <witnit> well if nothing else we will get plenty of bug tracking done
[01:41:10] <PCW> try this version:freeby.mesanet.com/mesaflash
[01:42:03] * skunkworks_ resemble that remark
[01:42:08] <skunkworks_> resembles
[01:42:09] <PCW> oops wait a bit
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[01:42:36] <witnit> no problem im reboothing the box now
[01:43:09] <witnit> I couldnt find the motherboard its a 2006 ibm thinkcentre I will try to track them and maybe doublecheck the printer port chipset
[01:43:44] <PCW> normally MB ports ar eOK
[01:44:01] <PCW> PCI ones are iffy
[01:44:33] <witnit> I learned to only pick pci cards that were older and had more chips on them than the rest
[01:45:13] <witnit> my scientific route
[01:46:30] <PCW> PCI parallel port cards are iffy for EPP both because they may need magic to set them into EPP mode
[01:46:31] <PCW> and because a large number use the MOSChip parts which have a bug in their EPP implementation
[01:46:50] <witnit> I will remember the name
[01:48:27] <PCW> ok latest mesaflash binary for 10.04: freeby.mesanet.com/mesaflash
[01:49:13] <witnit> was there one there already I maybe grabbed it too soon?
[01:49:26] <witnit> I downloaded before you posted that
[01:50:21] <witnit> http://freeby.mesanet.com/mesaflash
[01:50:25] <witnit> ooops
[01:50:43] <witnit> No 7I90EPP board found
[01:51:21] <PCW> what was your command line?
[01:52:08] <witnit> mesaflash --device 7I90epp --addr 0x378
[01:52:36] <witnit> sudo ./mesaflash --list --verbose
[01:52:42] <witnit> gave nothing either
[01:53:13] <PCW> maybe port troubles (or cable troubles)
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[01:54:01] <witnit> I thought maybe, I will connect directly with the cable from mesa
[01:54:11] <PCW> sudo ./mesaflash --device 7I90epp --addr 0x378 --verbose
[01:54:13] <witnit> I had an extension I assume is ok in between
[01:54:57] <PCW> if its IEEE-1284
[01:55:39] <witnit> the very last wire on this ribbon cable that was sent with card is not connected
[01:55:50] <witnit> like it was taken short, is this normal?
[01:55:55] <PCW> thats correct
[01:55:58] <witnit> okay
[01:56:01] <witnit> just checking :)
[01:56:21] <PCW> the header is 26 pins, the DB25 is well 25
[01:56:26] <witnit> got it
[01:56:31] <witnit> still no response
[01:56:49] <witnit> I will try another system and another install with this mesaflash version and report back :)
[01:56:57] <PCW> OK
[01:57:01] <PCW> bbl
[01:57:04] <shaun413_> hi
[01:57:07] <witnit> Thanks see you
[01:57:30] <witnit> hey shaun
[01:57:34] <witnit> get your lathe yet?
[01:57:48] <shaun413_> yeah https://plus.google.com/photos/108164504656404380542/albums/5889085582650378897/5978884791542655522?pid=5978884791542655522&oid=108164504656404380542
[01:58:13] <witnit> hahaha
[01:59:00] <shaun413_> andy gave it to m
[01:59:00] <shaun413_> e
[01:59:33] <witnit> for your soul?
[01:59:37] <shaun413_> no
[01:59:39] <witnit> haha that is very nice
[01:59:41] <shaun413_> he "passed"
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[02:05:53] <shaun413_> i would give my soul though
[02:05:58] <shaun413_> thats a NICE hunk of metal
[02:06:01] <shaun413_> so much metal
[02:06:04] * shaun413_ loves
[02:06:05] <witnit> "_
[02:06:13] <witnit> :)
[02:06:25] <shaun413_> its alll metal
[02:06:28] <shaun413_> thats so sexy
[02:06:30] <witnit> yes it is very nice, im particularly fond of the inlay button
[02:06:50] <shaun413_> all these lathes with sheetmetal casings
[02:06:51] <shaun413_> bleh
[02:06:55] <shaun413_> I want solid
[02:07:39] <witnit> you will learn the value of a solid machine quickly
[02:07:49] <shaun413_> I know the value
[02:07:59] <shaun413_> just there is nothing available...
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[02:12:33] <humble_sea_bass> pee on it
[02:12:42] <shaun413_> oh no
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[02:57:40] <shaun413_> hi
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[03:17:20] <WalterN> I need a keypad I can splash water on... heh
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[03:17:48] <WalterN> something like this I guess http://www.ebay.com/itm/PM31-NEW-1PCS-4-X3-MATRIX-ARRAY-12-KEY-MEMBRANE-SWITCH-KEYPAD-KEYBOARD-SCA-1711-/251504381012
[03:18:02] <WalterN> but aluminum keys or something would be classier
[03:18:49] <witnit> maybe "STORM" brand industrial keypads is what you want
[03:18:50] <humble_sea_bass> some guy here had a gross silicone keyboard
[03:19:00] <witnit> eee
[03:19:09] <WalterN> o.0
[03:19:12] <humble_sea_bass> which obvs works, but not for me
[03:19:47] <humble_sea_bass> http://www.ebay.com/itm/MINI-SILICONE-USB-NUMERIC-NUMBER-KEYPAD-KEYBOARD-F-SONY-NEW-/390819904764?pt=PCA_Mice_Trackballs&hash=item5afeae7cfc
[03:20:50] <WalterN> something like this only aluminum https://www.sparkfun.com/products/8653 and not caring if coolant drips into it
[03:22:00] <shaun413_> machine it!
[03:22:07] * WalterN flails
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[03:23:04] <WalterN> not my idea of a fun weekend project (assuming I dont already work on the weekends)
[03:23:36] <shaun413_> hmm
[03:23:39] <shaun413_> why not
[03:23:46] <shaun413_> at least you have the equipment
[03:26:04] <witnit> I have one of these and am happy with it
[03:26:08] <witnit> http://www.storm-interface.com/product_attachments/2220Series.pdf
[03:26:26] <witnit> there are some similar to it they produce I think are keypads
[03:26:29] <WalterN> way too many keys XD
[03:27:03] <shaun413_> http://images.bit-tech.net/content_images/2012/07/dremel-3000-review/dremel-3000-7l-1280x1024.jpg
[03:27:06] <WalterN> I need 0-9 and a decimal key entry
[03:27:06] <shaun413_> i got one of these
[03:27:17] <shaun413_> this is my machining equipment
[03:27:57] <WalterN> witnit: oh that company looks like they sell other fancy stuff like what I want...
[03:28:01] * WalterN clicks around
[03:28:41] <witnit> I found the keyboard on ebay for c aouple bucks
[03:28:44] <witnit> couple*
[03:28:48] <humble_sea_bass> THERE ARE a few folks which make aluminum keycaps for mechinical keyboards/pads
[03:29:04] <humble_sea_bass> i.e. any industrial keyboard/pad made by cherry
[03:29:14] <humble_sea_bass> http://imgur.com/a/weU2x#0
[03:29:17] <witnit> pcw: still no luck prodding the thingm I chose epp1.9 in bios prior to boot
[03:30:42] <WalterN> humble_sea_bass: woah thats nice
[03:30:56] <WalterN> not quite as nice as machined keys, but thats still really nice
[03:31:00] <humble_sea_bass> mechanical keyboards are a drug
[03:31:26] <shaun413_> what is a mech keyboard?
[03:31:27] <WalterN> yeah, I have a mechanical keyboard
[03:31:52] <WalterN> a spring buckle type key pad would work really well for what I want
[03:32:02] <shaun413_> qhats special about it
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[03:32:26] <WalterN> you can pour whatever conductive liquid in those and they dont care
[03:32:34] <WalterN> unless its goop
[03:33:14] <shaun413_> do they type betteR?
[03:33:20] <shaun413_> why would I buy one?
[03:33:26] <witnit> walterN I wash my keyboard out with 100psi air line and mineral spirits btw
[03:33:31] <witnit> no problems yet
[03:33:33] <WalterN> shaun413_: http://plope.com/Members/chrism/bucklingspring_mov.gif
[03:34:09] <shaun413_> oh that snap....
[03:34:14] <shaun413_> :-D
[03:34:43] <shaun413_> how do I know if I have one
[03:36:26] <humble_sea_bass> cherry for the win
[03:36:27] <humble_sea_bass> http://cherrycorp.com/english/keyboards/Industrial/2120/index.htm
[03:37:14] <WalterN> I just need the 12 keys though :-x
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[03:39:08] <humble_sea_bass> i know, i'm just geeking out now
[03:39:24] <WalterN> well, 11 keys
[03:39:26] <shaun413_> so why get this
[03:39:31] <shaun413_> over a regular keyboard?
[03:39:36] <WalterN> I'm kinda eyeing these guys http://www.storm-interface.com/products_description.asp?id=8
[03:39:42] <humble_sea_bass> I'm certain teh cherry keypads are ok, you just might need better keycaps
[03:40:17] <humble_sea_bass> shaun, if you have autism mechanical keyboards will make sense
[03:40:29] <shaun413_> hmmm
[03:40:36] <shaun413_> wtf?
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[03:41:11] <humble_sea_bass> http://dangwang.wordpress.com/
[03:41:15] <WalterN> humble_sea_bass: well... I spilled (vodka) juice in my cherry MX blue keyboard once... it kinda freaked out.. had to clean it out and let it dry
[03:41:39] <shaun413_> theres a plog....
[03:41:59] <witnit> oh, guys, I really lucked out just now
[03:42:07] <shaun413_> give it to me
[03:42:08] <witnit> was making toast, dropped it
[03:42:14] <witnit> landed on its edge!
[03:42:27] <witnit> thought you all should know
[03:42:29] <humble_sea_bass> like a quarter on its side?
[03:42:34] <witnit> yeah
[03:42:36] <witnit> like that
[03:42:38] <humble_sea_bass> fuck man
[03:42:42] <witnit> amazing huh
[03:42:46] <humble_sea_bass> can you hear ppls thoughts?
[03:42:52] <WalterN> I think I like this one http://www.storm-interface.com/products_description.asp?id=2
[03:42:52] <WalterN> now I just need to find it
[03:42:52] <WalterN> for sale to decide if I actually want it
[03:42:52] <shaun413_> http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20060713130822/uncyclopedia/images/8/8b/Cat_toast_swirl.gif
[03:42:54] <witnit> I did earlier
[03:42:55] <shaun413_> like this
[03:43:26] <humble_sea_bass> http://www.tvrage.com/The_Twilight_Zone/episodes/212786
[03:44:06] <humble_sea_bass> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPTuGoVY52Y
[03:44:34] <shaun413_> i dont see why I should buy a mech board
[03:44:54] <humble_sea_bass> shaun413_: it means you're not autistic. be thankful
[03:44:58] <WalterN> oh thats stupid
[03:45:02] <shaun413_> ^
[03:45:10] <WalterN> the keys are cast zinc
[03:45:13] <WalterN> ugh
[03:45:20] <shaun413_> shameeee
[03:45:29] <WalterN> http://www.storm-interface.com/product_attachments/PLXSeries.pdf
[03:45:34] <witnit> ahhh I see
[03:45:52] <WalterN> with chrome plating to cover the turd thats behind it
[03:46:01] <witnit> well I was reading minds before the toast incidient the ability is surely gone now
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[03:46:37] <WalterN> shaun413_: http://www.overclock.net/t/491752/mechanical-keyboard-guide read that
[03:46:42] <shaun413_> ok
[03:46:58] <shaun413_> TLDR
[03:47:00] <witnit> nice
[03:47:36] <humble_sea_bass> http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/121259320642?lpid=82
[03:48:02] <WalterN> wha... 43 euros? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Storm-Interface-PLX-Series-12-Key-Vandal-Resistant-Keypad-Phone-Format-PLX12T20-/141242151237?pt=UK_Computing_ComputerComponents_KeyboardsMice&hash=item20e2b03145
[03:48:03] <humble_sea_bass> shaun413_: when do you plan to flunk out of Rutgers?
[03:48:09] <shaun413_> never
[03:48:14] <shaun413_> why would I?
[03:48:27] <WalterN> humble_sea_bass: oh hey, that would work
[03:48:46] <humble_sea_bass> that keypad looks brutal mean
[03:49:25] <WalterN> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-payphone-keypad-phone-/161273590567?_trksid=p2054897.l5673 cheaper
[03:50:18] <WalterN> I wonder how many fingers touched it...
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[03:50:30] <humble_sea_bass> dont lick it till you clean it
[03:51:48] <R2E4> hey guys....
[03:52:56] <shaun413_> hi
[03:53:02] <WalterN> I'm going to bid on this
[03:53:29] <WalterN> the storm stuff looks like it will work just as well, but its way more expensive
[03:55:05] <shaun413_> BID HIGH
[03:55:51] <WalterN> humble_sea_bass: donno... what do you think, that payphone keypad or this one http://www.ebay.com/itm/PM31-NEW-1PCS-4-X3-MATRIX-ARRAY-12-KEY-MEMBRANE-SWITCH-KEYPAD-KEYBOARD-SCA-1711-/251504381012
[03:56:32] <humble_sea_bass> i'd do the payphone considering the abuse those things see
[03:56:57] <humble_sea_bass> flat keypads get unresponsive
[03:57:08] <humble_sea_bass> but for 1.50, i'd get both
[03:58:15] <WalterN> oh wait, it ships outside of the US
[03:58:23] <WalterN> *from outside
[03:58:29] <CaptHindsight_> branes!
[03:59:32] <WalterN> booze!
[04:00:38] <shaun413_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/12-Key-DTMF-Keypad-Membrane-Switch-/310913008812?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4863dc04ac
[04:00:40] <WalterN> I should pour myself a glass of vodka
[04:00:56] <CaptHindsight_> yes, at least one
[04:01:06] <shaun413_> WalterN, ^
[04:02:46] <WalterN> shaun413: 15 pins, 12 keys... how does that work?
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[04:05:30] <shaun413_> wtf
[04:06:11] <WalterN> I could understand 13 pins
[04:07:03] <shaun413_> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/8653
[04:07:17] <WalterN> I have that one already
[04:07:21] <shaun413_> :/
[04:07:42] <WalterN> the problem is that it will be sitting on a bandsaw... coolant will be dripping into it
[04:07:49] <shaun413_> ah
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[04:08:37] <CaptHindsight_> booze and bandsaws, sounds like another drinking and shooting activity
[04:09:15] <shaun413_> https://www.futurlec.com/Keypads.shtml
[04:09:21] <shaun413_> get one of these bottom ones then
[04:10:01] <WalterN> oh nice
[04:10:10] <WalterN> also, <3 futurlec
[04:10:37] <WalterN> got a bunch of stuff from them a few years ago
[04:11:24] <CaptHindsight_> me too, only took 6 weeks to arrive, by the time they got here i forgot what they were for
[04:12:08] <WalterN> thats why I ordered a bunch of generic stuff thats used for any given electronic project XD
[04:12:48] <CaptHindsight_> all they need is s stocking US disti and they would explode with business
[04:13:55] <CaptHindsight_> 1133 Broadway,Suite 706,New York,NY 10010 is jjst a mailbox
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[04:16:48] <CaptHindsight_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOt0GRVGNXo
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[04:19:15] <shaun413> Do you guys think small scale machining is a good way to make money
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[04:19:45] <CaptHindsight_> I hear that banking and finance is the way to go
[04:19:55] <shaun413> :/
[04:20:01] <shaun413> I like making things
[04:20:07] <shaun413> Not fudging numbers
[04:20:32] <CaptHindsight_> you should have grown up in the 50's/60's
[04:20:41] <shaun413> /
[04:20:43] <witnit> yes you missed your era
[04:20:53] <witnit> I believe this is the information age
[04:21:06] <CaptHindsight_> do you speak Mandarin?
[04:21:09] <shaun413> No
[04:21:18] <witnit> hes gonna have a tough time then
[04:21:41] <witnit> I dont make things by hand for profit often
[04:21:53] <shaun413> Hm
[04:21:54] <witnit> I make things by hand that fix my machines that make things for profit
[04:22:12] <shaun413> What makes things for profit then?
[04:22:16] <shaun413> I don't mind CNC...
[04:22:22] <witnit> In my case, screw machines
[04:22:26] <shaun413> Its just cheaper to start manual...
[04:22:32] <WalterN> +ing
[04:22:39] <shaun413> ?
[04:22:55] <shaun413> Who is ing
[04:23:33] <WalterN> just me being stupid
[04:23:43] <shaun413> I see....
[04:23:44] <CaptHindsight_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uc1LFclXiBU yikes, this was actually a government made film
[04:23:44] <WalterN> and I havent started drinking yet
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[04:23:55] <WalterN> brb, fixing that
[04:24:04] <shaun413> I think machining an object for sale is not a bad idea...
[04:24:20] <shaun413> Exoecially if its widely used and not mass produced
[04:24:41] <witnit> anything widely used, is mass produced
[04:24:46] <shaun413> Nope
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[04:26:26] <witnit> this is where you present me with an example
[04:27:07] <shaun413> 3d printer hotends
[04:27:35] <CaptHindsight_> maybe a shared item, it might be widely used but shared do only in limited manufacture
[04:27:41] <witnit> which style?
[04:27:46] <CaptHindsight_> do/so
[04:28:01] <witnit> I knew a chic like that capt
[04:28:05] <witnit> hahaha
[04:28:13] <shaun413> ?
[04:28:24] <CaptHindsight_> bah dum pum
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[04:29:20] <witnit> something like this? http://diy3dprinting.blogspot.com/2013/05/e3d-v4-hot-end.html
[04:29:31] <shaun413> Sort of yes
[04:29:35] <shaun413> Same product
[04:30:06] <WalterN> hot glue gun style 3D printer
[04:30:07] <WalterN> meh
[04:30:30] <shaun413> I'd like to design a proper compact melt gear pump
[04:30:32] <shaun413> :p
[04:30:46] <ReadError> and by that
[04:30:50] <ReadError> he means steal other peoples work
[04:30:55] <shaun413> No...
[04:31:03] <shaun413> No one has done that yet.
[04:31:07] <witnit> http://e3d-online.com/B2B
[04:31:19] <shaun413> Yes that's am ed3
[04:31:31] <witnit> those are produced on a mass scale compared to what your going to be able to do on a manual machine
[04:31:59] <shaun413> Perhaps
[04:32:13] <shaun413> If I can sell that many. That's a different issue
[04:32:41] <witnit> I round part like what those are would take less than 30 seconds to produce on an automatic machine
[04:33:09] <ReadError> <shaun413_> http://imgur.com/Qax6MBq
[04:33:19] <ReadError> http://reprap.org/mediawiki/images/a/ac/Insertresistor.jpg
[04:34:07] <shaun413> Yep
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[04:34:17] <shaun413> That's a render I made for brian
[04:34:24] <shaun413> What about it?
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[04:36:40] <shaun413> Lol
[04:36:45] <shaun413> Now he is quiet
[04:37:01] <ReadError> no
[04:37:01] <WalterN> here is digikey http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/3K120103/MGR1525-ND/222686
[04:37:04] <shaun413> K
[04:37:06] <ReadError> I said this a week ago
[04:37:11] <ReadError> you are going to join
[04:37:16] <ReadError> ask the same questions every day
[04:37:18] <ReadError> not do anything
[04:37:23] <shaun413> Really?
[04:37:30] <shaun413> OK...
[04:37:41] <shaun413> Never done that before...
[04:38:29] <shaun413> Looks nicer waltern
[04:38:45] <WalterN> meh... I think coolant dripping into it will still screw it all up
[04:39:03] <shaun413> Can you shove a bag over it :p?
[04:39:11] <shaun413> Or a clear plastic cover
[04:43:55] <WalterN> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/88AB2-152/GH5013-ND/255609
[04:44:59] <shaun413> Why not build a case for it
[04:45:06] <shaun413> Flip cover to shut
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[04:46:08] <witnit> personally I spend a terribly large amount of my time on deciding what items to buy instead of building myself... to save time
[04:46:10] <WalterN> with nice machined aluminum keys custom masked anodized for the numbers... way too much time
[04:46:35] <WalterN> witnit: gotta consider all options and pick the best one
[04:46:45] <WalterN> heh
[04:46:46] <witnit> yeah
[04:47:32] <WalterN> I researched cameras for 2 months before I decided on buying my first one... a canon powershot A95
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[04:48:19] <WalterN> had to figure out what a lens was and what they do, the different kinds of CCD and CMOS sensors... etc.
[04:48:30] <witnit> yeah thats not like buying a car
[04:48:48] <witnit> or an apple
[04:49:12] <witnit> too much specialization
[04:49:30] <witnit> too many important variables
[04:50:19] <WalterN> well with a car its worse... you have all the different kinds of transmissions, kind of tinting on the windows (if any), location of the oil filter and if you can get both hands on it...
[04:50:36] <WalterN> XD
[04:52:59] <WalterN> there is quite a few different kinds of automatic transmissions these days...
[04:54:07] <WalterN> ford is trying out a double clutch kind of thing... its basically a manual transmission with an automatic clutch that uses two plates... or something like that
[04:54:25] <psha> WalterN: with car it's much more simple - what you want is too expensive, and what you can afford is trash :]
[04:54:43] <WalterN> psha: ha, point.
[04:56:48] <WalterN> I could probably order this from futurlec and get it before I finish this project
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[04:57:34] <witnit> I was outbid http://www.ebay.com/itm/291125575399
[04:57:48] <witnit> these will go up pretty high
[04:57:56] <witnit> Im not going to compete with those animals
[04:58:05] <WalterN> heh
[04:58:29] <WalterN> I was at a local auction a little while ago and yeah... bidding waaaay high
[04:58:36] <WalterN> might as well buy the stuff new
[04:58:55] <witnit> yeah, its funny how it works at auctions, feast or famine
[05:01:10] <WalterN> I'm eyeing these now http://lgrws01.grayhill.com/web1/images/ProductImages/Keypads_88.pdf
[05:01:17] <WalterN> on digikey
[05:02:09] <witnit> wouldnt that be something you would finger
[05:02:15] <witnit> heh.. hehheh
[05:02:27] <WalterN> fingering... oh my?
[05:02:38] * WalterN facepalms
[05:02:42] <witnit> hey thats only 3million keystrokes per button
[05:02:45] <WalterN> I should drink less
[05:02:57] <witnit> sure thats enoughh
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[05:04:09] <WalterN> button travel is 0.015"
[05:04:10] <WalterN> heh
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[05:05:19] <WalterN> I want a single pole/common bus thing
[05:06:00] <WalterN> so I can put a resister on each key and use an analog to digital pin to read all the keys
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[05:06:59] <WalterN> I guess I could still do that with a matrix
[05:07:03] <WalterN> hmm
[05:08:41] <WalterN> heh
[05:09:08] <WalterN> "These common liquids do not attack the overlay: ... 30% hydrogen peroxide, wine, beer, whiskey, ..."
[05:10:25] <WalterN> oh here we go
[05:10:37] <WalterN> B2 is matrix, C2 is common bus
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[09:44:58] <Einar> I can not figure how they get the power in the table to be right: http://www.ebay.com/itm/WATER-COOLED-SPINDLE-MOTOR-2-2KW-CNC-ENGRAVING-MILL-GRIND-ROUTER-3D-PRINTER-/161185518510?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item258767d3ae
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[09:54:58] <witnit> ??
[09:58:07] <Einar> Power = Voltage * Current.
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[11:47:00] <GuShH_> shaun not begging for equipment anymore? good
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[11:56:26] <ReadError> annoying right
[11:58:24] <GuShH_> ReadError: "now it's my turn to beg" haha
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[12:43:23] <archivist> on your knees and beg... :)
[12:44:48] <archivist> Einar, at the smoke level I suppose
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[13:04:10] <GuShH_> archivist: are nicholson files worth looking into?
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[13:04:27] <GuShH_> my files and rasps are... generic.
[13:05:51] <archivist> didnt you see my answer yesterday
[13:08:41] <archivist> an hour and ten minutes after you asked halfway down the page http://emclog.archivist.info/
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[14:09:43] <Jymmm> Do they use cosmoline on rubber tires?
[14:09:58] <Jymmm> like for hand dollys
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[14:26:55] <shaun413> Hello
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[14:48:55] <GuShH_> archivist: nope, I'll check it out thanks
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[15:23:26] <Loetmichel> harhar, i REALLY eat to much of these mini-babybels. thats the second candle i make from the hulls... and yes, i wahsted the tuna can thoroughly! ;-) -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14835
[15:24:13] <_methods> haha 18650's all over in background
[15:24:20] <_methods> laptop battery scavenger
[15:24:53] <Loetmichel> _methods: thats for my flashlight
[15:24:58] <_methods> hehe nice
[15:25:10] <Jymmm> unprotected (cheap bastard =)
[15:25:17] <_methods> right me too though lol
[15:25:19] <Loetmichel> so what
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[15:25:36] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Where do you think babies and STD's come from?
[15:25:52] <Loetmichel> NOT from Liion batteries ;-)
[15:26:06] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Didn't they teach you anything?!
[15:26:17] <Loetmichel> obviously not ;-)
[15:26:24] <Jymmm> So it seems
[15:26:35] <Jymmm> (for prevention in cheap electronics)
[15:26:41] <Jymmm> fire*
[15:27:07] <archivist> some like to live dangerously
[15:27:08] <Jymmm> All it takes is one bad regulator in a flashlight to overdraw on the batteries.
[15:27:27] <archivist> he can let go and drop it then
[15:27:32] <Jymmm> archivist: Sure, but at least make it worth while. =)
[15:27:34] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: shock picture for you: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14751
[15:27:40] <Loetmichel> i even dismantled one ;-)
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[15:28:26] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Nah, that's fine. I just dont trust the cheap electronics is all. Banging around in a pack or whatever.
[15:28:27] <Loetmichel> the 300mAh are a lie.
[15:28:31] <oskar19601> hallo
[15:28:36] <Loetmichel> 3000
[15:28:50] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Heh, derate by 50% =)
[15:29:21] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14733
[15:29:23] <Loetmichel> 90%
[15:29:25] <Loetmichel> ;-)
[15:30:07] <Loetmichel> thats what you get when you buy 2 flashlights with 4 batteries and 2 chargers for less than $30 ;-)
[15:30:30] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Hey, you knew better before even buying it =)
[15:30:59] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: even without the batteries and the (crappy) charges the 2 lamps for less than $30 was a good deal
[15:31:15] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Was it?
[15:31:22] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14742
[15:31:31] <Loetmichel> the lamps are bright as hell ;-)
[15:31:43] <Jymmm> where from?
[15:31:49] <shaun413> Hi
[15:31:53] <Loetmichel> china
[15:31:58] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: DUH
[15:32:08] <Loetmichel> ebay
[15:32:12] <Jymmm> k
[15:32:52] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: I've had great results with these... http://www.dx.com/p/trustfire-protected-18650-3-7v-true-2400mah-rechargeable-lithium-batteries-2-pack-20392
[15:33:10] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: "TRUE 2400mAh"
[15:33:27] <Loetmichel> http://www.ebay.de/itm/360817420129
[15:34:01] <Loetmichel> i had better results with dismantled laptop cells
[15:34:09] <Loetmichel> (the pink ones)
[15:34:18] <_methods> sanyo
[15:34:19] <Loetmichel> still more than 2000mAh in them
[15:34:29] <Loetmichel> samsung
[15:34:34] <Jymmm> nice
[15:34:54] <Loetmichel> tha laptop died a falliung death
[15:35:02] <_methods> ooops
[15:35:04] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: The auction is black, but your pic shows grey. so which is it?
[15:35:10] <Loetmichel> so the 2 years old battery was spare ;-)
[15:35:19] <shaun413> Grlack
[15:35:23] <Loetmichel> none of them
[15:35:36] <Loetmichel> the lamps are actually deep violed
[15:35:40] <Loetmichel> violet
[15:35:50] <Jymmm> lovely... not
[15:36:04] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: This was my latest toy... http://www.kaidomain.com/product/details.S022116
[15:36:38] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: It's about a pound with 3x 18650, but sits in the glovebox most of the time.
[15:36:56] <Jymmm> err... UP TO 3, only needs one
[15:36:58] <oskar19601> Hi kann mir jemand bei einer konfiguration eines isel c142 helfen. kann leider kein englisch
[15:37:09] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: i bought that as a replacement for the mini-mag at my belt
[15:37:25] <Loetmichel> a three 18650 would be a bit biog for that
[15:37:33] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: have compasion pics?
[15:37:35] <Loetmichel> oskar19601: which city?
[15:37:48] <oskar19601> Leipzig
[15:37:52] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14757
[15:37:54] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: That's not why I got that 1lb, it's becasue it's a powerpack, flashlight, and charger all in one
[15:37:57] <Loetmichel> (ignore the belly ;-)
[15:38:25] <_methods> hahah
[15:38:27] <_methods> the bat belt
[15:38:37] <_methods> you just need a batarang now
[15:38:58] <shaun413> I'll print you one
[15:38:59] <shaun413> !
[15:39:05] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: WTH.... Regualr, Menthol, Vanilla, and Coffee flavors or what?
[15:39:11] <Loetmichel> _methods: look on the other side: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13537
[15:39:13] <Loetmichel> ;-)
[15:39:36] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: what eLiquid do you use?
[15:39:49] <Loetmichel> actually: blackberry, orange/mentol, 7 leaves and blueberry ;-)
[15:40:33] <Loetmichel> german brand "www.dampflanet.de"
[15:40:46] <Loetmichel> i have more than that
[15:41:04] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14799
[15:41:05] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: is that the vegetable based stuff?
[15:41:09] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14814
[15:41:11] <Loetmichel> ;-)
[15:42:03] <Jymmm> bad url
[15:42:42] <Loetmichel> no, the mormal 47% vegetable glycerin 47% propylene glycol, 5% water and the rest arome and 11mg/ml nicotine
[15:42:54] <Loetmichel> oh
[15:43:08] <Loetmichel> [17:40] <Loetmichel> german brand "www.dampfplanet.de"
[15:43:13] <Loetmichel> forgotten a P
[15:43:14] <Loetmichel> ;-)
[15:43:36] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: You say "normal", I didn't think the common stuff contained vegie at all
[15:43:37] <CaptHindsight_> http://www.farmandfleet.com/products/009503-aspen-propylene-glycol.html?utm_medium=shoppingengine&utm_source=googlebase&gclid=CNr78pju570CFcURMwodWSgAzg just aroma, flavors and nicotine
[15:43:52] <CaptHindsight_> just add
[15:44:16] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight_: Just add WHAT?
[15:44:18] <Loetmichel> CaptHindsight: missing the steam then
[15:44:22] <CaptHindsight_> what do they charge for a few mL of that eCig fluid?
[15:44:27] <Loetmichel> the VG is for making those nice "clouds"
[15:44:38] <Loetmichel> 10ml about $5
[15:45:21] <Jymmm> Pure PG just makes be cough, someone said to use the VG stuff instead
[15:45:23] <Loetmichel> you can buy pure vg fluid over here and pure PG fluid
[15:45:40] <Loetmichel> the pg has a better "kick" while the VG makes more "puff"
[15:45:44] <CaptHindsight_> 375 x $5 = $1875 that like inkjet ink margins
[15:46:05] <Jymmm> So, the common stuff is pure PG, but dilute it down 50% to get smooth?
[15:46:09] <Loetmichel> CaptHindsight: you forget the nicotine
[15:46:20] <CaptHindsight_> no wonder ecig stores are popping up
[15:46:40] <Loetmichel> you can buy "base fluid" over here wihtout aroma an nicotine for less than $20 a litre
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[15:47:15] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: no, the common stuff in germany ist 50/50
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[15:47:24] <Jymmm> is or isn't ?
[15:47:32] <Loetmichel> is
[15:47:39] <CaptHindsight_> nicotine is <$100kg
[15:47:42] <Jymmm> Hmmm, and the china stuff?
[15:47:48] <Loetmichel> CaptHindsight: not in germany
[15:47:53] <Loetmichel> very high tax on it here ;-)
[15:48:51] <CaptHindsight_> Loetmichel: in raw bulk or what if it's mixed with something else?
[15:50:14] <Loetmichel> both
[15:50:47] <Loetmichel> raw bulk you only get it at pharmacys for an exorbitant price as a privateer
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[15:52:44] <Loetmichel> so, second candle cooled down and working: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14838
[15:53:29] <Loetmichel> ... ist astonishing how good a bit of babybelcover wax, a tuna can and a piece of toilet paper (!) works ;-)
[15:53:33] <Loetmichel> its
[15:55:37] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: corn oil and a wick work too.... oil lamp
[15:56:48] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Just watch out for the soot produced on any of it oil or wax =)
[15:57:16] <Loetmichel> there is no soot if you trim the "wick" from time to time ;-)
[15:57:28] <Jymmm> famous last words...
[15:58:30] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Snuff out the candle and see how much smoke is produced =)
[15:58:48] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: btw.... that aint smoke =)
[15:59:08] <Loetmichel> thats vaporized wax, no soot
[15:59:12] <Loetmichel> soot is BLACK
[15:59:24] <Loetmichel> (or am i wrong?)
[16:00:04] <Jymmm> same diff, inefficient burn of material =) You are correct, but I think that also gets into the realm of creosote.
[16:00:11] <Jymmm> (sp)
[16:01:00] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Did you see the gasoline from wood video?
[16:01:07] <Loetmichel> no
[16:01:44] <Jymmm> hang on, gotta find it...
[16:01:55] <Loetmichel> but i know the principle
[16:02:50] <Loetmichel> more or less the same that the old "wood gas cars" from after ww2 used
[16:02:57] <Loetmichel> just cooled down and condensated
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[16:04:39] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: k, the guy talks a whole lot, but he shows a generator running off his "syngas" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arbXj9R6ZXw
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[16:13:54] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Is that flashlight nice enough? Is the tailcap really GITD or just dayglow green?
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[16:14:35] <archivist> lathe abuse :) http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=southbend+horizontal+miller
[16:15:08] <Connor> So, question. I asked the other day about how many machines had both air and coolant.. my next question is.. what g code command do they use to toggle air?
[16:15:16] <Connor> I see one for mist, and one for coolant...
[16:15:23] <Connor> do they just use MIST for Air ?
[16:16:51] <Jymmm> archivist: Why did you abuse the lathe like that? lol
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[16:17:12] <skunkworks> archivist: did you see the thread on homeshopmachinist?
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[16:17:19] <archivist> the vfd on the mill is dead
[16:17:37] <archivist> skunkworks, which one?
[16:18:17] <skunkworks> archivist: http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/threads/63116-Slitting-saw-%28mis%29adventures
[16:18:35] <skunkworks> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebMLzRB1UgY
[16:18:51] <skunkworks> a bit wobbly..
[16:19:35] <archivist> I used the back gear for my cuts
[16:20:20] <archivist> no I did not see that article before
[16:20:53] <CaptHindsight_> heh forgot to turn the sound down for that video, I though a machine had started up
[16:21:03] <CaptHindsight_> though/thought
[16:21:48] <Connor> Anyone? :(
[16:24:48] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: the tailcap is just dayglow green
[16:25:10] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: k. and you got TWO flashlights???
[16:25:13] <archivist> skunkworks, I suppose the other trick that person could not use is self act to get a consistent feed
[16:25:27] <Loetmichel> one for my wifes car one for my belt
[16:26:38] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Oh, it didn't come with two, you bought two sets?
[16:26:46] <Loetmichel> rigt
[16:26:49] <Jymmm> k
[16:26:50] <Loetmichel> right
[16:27:07] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: It's all good, I speak typo =)
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[16:28:08] <Loetmichel> <- sausage fingers ;-)
[16:29:15] <skunkworks> if the machine has flood mist and air - your going to have to do something different.. If it has flood and air only - then I would use mist for air
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[16:29:55] <archivist> or one of those do it yourself M codes
[16:30:12] <skunkworks> or Connor is getting really good at remapping...
[16:31:15] <Connor> So, there isn't a separate G code for AIR.. That's kinda stupid.
[16:31:22] <archivist> recommendations from the lad of choices
[16:31:27] <archivist> land
[16:31:53] <Connor> skunkworks: And I dunno about getting really good at remapping... :)
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[16:33:11] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: 20,000 LUMENS... http://www.kaidomain.com/product/details.S023130#
[16:33:57] <Jymmm> Doubles as a REAL torch due the heat output =)
[16:34:15] <Deejay> 20k lumen pmpo
[16:34:20] <Deejay> chinese lumens ;)
[16:34:32] <Jymmm> Deejay: 18 emitters, not sure about that.
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[16:35:27] <CaptHindsight_> 20000 lumens maximum brightness (when measured with light meter facing into the sun)
[16:35:27] <Deejay> i have a 100 watt LED. the chinese say its about 8k lumen
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[16:35:52] <Jymmm> That's 1111 Lumen/ea, which isn reality is about 900lm, so 900lm * 18 = 16,200 lm
[16:36:05] <CaptHindsight_> they just cut and paste crap, you have to measure it yourself
[16:36:29] <Deejay> how much watt has each led/emitter?
[16:37:42] <Jymmm> Ok, found it on amazon, rated at 13K lm... http://www.amazon.com/SecurityIng%C2%AE-5-Modes-13000Lm-Flashlight-Activities/dp/B00IPB88EQ
[16:39:02] <Deejay> so its about 5k real lumen ;)
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[16:39:34] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[16:39:42] <Deejay> hi live-gucker
[16:41:11] <CaptHindsight_> http://www.cree.com/sitecore%20modules/web/~/media/Files/Cree/LED%20Components%20and%20Modules/XLamp/Data%20and%20Binning/XLampXML_EZW.pdf#search=%22t6%22
[16:42:06] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight_: All the type models, bins confuse the hell out of me =)
[16:42:17] <Jymmm> newer, older, etc
[16:43:43] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: so do you like your flashlight?
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[16:52:21] <CaptHindsight_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/STABLE-UNDER-LONG-TERM-WORK-CNC-3040C-4-AXIS-PCB-S-ROUTER-ENGRAVER-k-/331106880638 hey this one has nuts on the ballscrews for setting the preload
[16:53:23] <Connor> M16, M17 and M18 may be for AIR...
[16:53:24] <CaptHindsight_> I bet this is the design the others try to copy and get wronger
[16:53:53] <Connor> Might try to make my own using remap.. M16 2 second air blast.. M17 Air on, M18 Air Off
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[16:56:11] <Connor> CaptHindsight_ Still no bearing for the screw...
[16:57:00] <Connor> Does however look to use unsupported rails.. so, it's not going to have the issue with gantry
[16:57:36] <Connor> I take that back. They have 1 bearing on the far end.. It MIGHT be the load bearing..
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[16:57:51] <CaptHindsight_> there's a bearing at each end
[16:58:13] <Connor> Looks like some of the parts might be MDF ??
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[16:58:57] <Connor> The way the Z is done is a tad different..
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[16:59:11] <CaptHindsight_> nope you're right that's just a coupling
[16:59:54] <Connor> the bearing on the other end has a nut on the outside.. so, they may be using that as the support bearing.. but.. not very well..
[17:00:00] <CaptHindsight_> heh, iy's like they juggle all the things needed to make it right then randomly leave out a few
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[17:00:16] <Connor> Or Cheap
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[17:00:24] <CaptHindsight_> each one having a few things wrong
[17:00:45] <Connor> Other than that, it's not a bad design.
[17:01:21] <CaptHindsight_> for a few $$ more they could all be assembled correctly, the price difference wouldn't be noticeable
[17:01:48] <Connor> Maybe someone should start making them correctly and selling them...
[17:01:59] <Connor> make a 3020 and a 6040 the RIGHT way.
[17:02:14] <CaptHindsight_> I think that we might be the only ones that notice and care
[17:02:25] <CaptHindsight_> sad to say
[17:02:35] <Connor> A little knowledge goes a long way.. Educate the consumer..
[17:03:13] <CaptHindsight_> a video with a dial indicator on each axis, then just push
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[17:05:15] <CaptHindsight_> archivist: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Weatherchron-Precision-Ball-Screw-Drive-Assembly-/171301777010 ballscrew clock?
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[17:06:09] <Connor> That has some sort of encoder on it..
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[17:09:13] <pcw_home> a linear Gray code absolute encoder (a fairly crude one)
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[17:10:29] <IchGuckLive> CaptHindsight yu got all parts of china delivere search for diy its a great plasure
[17:11:26] <CaptHindsight_> the time is now 12:11 exactly beep
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[17:11:57] <CaptHindsight_> looks like it's the guts of a automatic weather announcing machine
[17:12:33] <CaptHindsight_> in Chicago it was 555-1212
[17:12:43] <pcw_home> yep more a curiosity than anything else
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[17:14:15] <CaptHindsight_> that was directory assistance
[17:14:28] <CaptHindsight_> it was similar for time and also weather
[17:16:25] <pcw_home> so thats the head positioner for the magnetic drum with the (analog) recordings
[17:17:09] <CaptHindsight_> http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTE2Nlg4NzQ=/z/bmEAAOxy0zhTMiS3/$_57.JPG
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[17:18:18] <CaptHindsight_> nixie tubes a few shelves above
[17:19:45] <Gigs-> I finally got my backordered bubble LED displays from sparkfun
[17:19:56] <CaptHindsight_> 16:25:00 , something 44 on the line below
[17:20:05] <Gigs-> before they had them you had to get them on ebay with china post which sucked
[17:20:26] <CaptHindsight_> Gigs-: nixie look LED's?
[17:20:38] <Gigs-> http://phantompinecone.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/led1.jpg
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[17:20:43] <Gigs-> yeah like these but new manu
[17:21:01] <Gigs-> kind of look like old vacuum flourescent calculators
[17:21:05] <Gigs-> but they are led
[17:21:14] <CaptHindsight_> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/12710 found em
[17:21:16] <Gigs-> http://arduous.orcinus.me/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/LED_title.jpg
[17:21:37] <Gigs-> yeah they finally got their container in it looks like
[17:21:40] <Gigs-> they have a shitload in stock
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[17:25:03] <Gigs-> I have a problem with electronic components
[17:25:45] <Gigs-> I probably have $10,000 worth of them, and I still run out of stuff :(
[17:27:28] <Gigs-> anyone here know much about vibratory bowl feeders?
[17:28:01] <_methods> what about the feeders?
[17:28:43] <Gigs-> hard to explain in text, but what is the vibratory pattern that makes parts climb the track?
[17:29:04] <_methods> hrmm you know i don't know exactly
[17:29:19] <Gigs-> I assume it's not just a horizontal eccentric vibrator under it
[17:29:35] <_methods> seems like most of them have 4 springs on the corners
[17:29:44] <_methods> and orbital vibrator underneath
[17:29:59] <_methods> i've never really investigated too much though
[17:30:00] <Connor> Gigs-: what you making ?
[17:30:05] <Gigs-> the question is what the axis is
[17:30:29] <zeeshan> connor
[17:30:31] <Gigs-> not making anything yet, but I got a quote for a vibratory bowl to sort out gun brass and it was $8500 :(
[17:30:33] <zeeshan> did the pump work? :D
[17:30:41] <_methods> yeah they are spendy
[17:30:56] <Gigs-> I was reading an article that it takes years to learn the black voodoo to make bowls sort right
[17:31:12] <Gigs-> so probably not going to wind up attempting my own, but it did make me wonder about the basics
[17:31:15] <Connor> zeeshan: Worked when I hooked it up to the 12v battery charger... Still working on the computer control part..
[17:31:16] <_methods> well alot depends on the part
[17:31:29] <_methods> feed rate
[17:31:32] <_methods> weight
[17:31:53] <zeeshan> so it generates enough head?
[17:31:55] <Gigs-> at least gun brass has a very low center of gravity, if you shake a container of them they all stand up on their own
[17:32:00] <zeeshan> to move the fluid up to the nozzle?
[17:32:10] <Connor> Oh yea.
[17:32:13] <zeeshan> awesome!
[17:32:23] <Gigs-> but sorting various size brass is problematic because they can nest
[17:32:25] <Connor> even works out of my garden house with the spray nozzle too.
[17:32:33] <zeeshan> hah
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[17:32:52] <zeeshan> yea i had a good feeling it would work
[17:33:00] <zeeshan> cause you weren't really moving the fluid stupid high
[17:33:17] <Connor> It can be over 7'
[17:33:33] <zeeshan> with coolant you dont even need that high of a flow rate
[17:33:36] <Connor> with the head all the way up.. but, that's with the reduced diameter..
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[17:35:09] <_methods> heh for any projects where i've used them they were made by someone else
[17:35:22] <_methods> now you got me all curious about thme
[17:35:41] <_methods> i did a project a couple years ago with one that was feeding pipettes
[17:35:50] <_methods> into a package
[17:36:05] <_methods> would lay them down in rows then get shrink wrapped
[17:39:26] <_methods> interesting catalog for feeder maker
[17:39:28] <_methods> http://www.ntn.co.jp/english/products/pdf/partsfeeder/pdf/PartsFeeder_en.pdf
[17:39:59] <_methods> at page 10 they have a cut away of the feeder interior
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[17:42:23] <Gigs-> I'll check that out thanks
[17:42:31] <_methods> yeah heh damn you
[17:42:38] <_methods> now i'm all side tracked on bowl feeders
[17:43:05] <Gigs-> I need a mini screen trommel to clean this stuff too
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[17:43:21] <Gigs-> should just wait 1 year until all the wannabe gold miners go out of business
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[17:44:50] <_methods> http://www.3dcadbrowser.com/download.aspx?3dmodel=27312
[17:45:23] <_methods> wow big bowl feeder
[17:45:25] <_methods> http://www.3dcadbrowser.com/download.aspx?3dmodel=95009
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[17:48:22] <Gigs-> yeah I was reading it has to generally be 7 times the length of the longest part
[17:48:25] <Gigs-> diameter
[17:49:13] <Gigs-> oh so it's not an eccentric at all, it's more like a solenoid
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[17:51:14] <_methods> pg72 of that catalog
[17:51:58] <_methods> a lot of it depends on teh part too
[17:55:30] <IchGuckLive> _methods: the vib is good to sort out the students in first month of practice O.o
[17:55:56] <_methods> hehe
[17:56:17] <IchGuckLive> its like bulriding in texas
[17:58:43] <Jymmm> IchGuckLive: only for the stupid or drunks?
[17:58:57] <_methods> vibrators are for everyone
[17:59:11] <Jymmm> That's what SHE said!
[17:59:14] <_methods> hahaha
[18:00:31] <Jymmm> _methods: Hwo to piss off your wife/gf in 3 seconds flat... http://s4.live4fun.ru/pictures/s3img_356964748_15162_1.jpg
[18:00:33] <IchGuckLive> i just looked at the universitys in texas there are realy big some well over 100k students
[18:00:34] <Jymmm> How*
[18:00:52] <_methods> heheh
[18:00:53] <Deejay> lol
[18:00:59] <_methods> dats funny
[18:01:20] <_methods> everything in texas is bigger
[18:01:29] <_methods> except the iq
[18:02:08] <humble_sea_bass> THAT'S A COOL display
[18:02:12] <humble_sea_bass> reminds me of nixies
[18:02:24] <IchGuckLive> ok im off have a nice easter weekend if you go for a short holiday !
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[18:23:48] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: http://www.specialshit.com/products/
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[18:24:06] <shaun413> Yo
[18:24:24] <skroon> hi all
[18:26:59] <CaptHindsight_> Gigs-: http://www-personal.umich.edu/~rudraa/documents/Modelling_of_Vibratory_Feeders.pdf
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[18:30:06] <CaptHindsight_> http://www.google.com/patents/US2654465#v=onepage&q&f=false
[18:30:17] <CaptHindsight_> http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5954185.html
[18:31:26] <CaptHindsight_> http://www.assemblymag.com/articles/84051-parts-feeding-the-black-art-of-tooling-feeder-bowls
[18:32:03] <CaptHindsight_> http://www.eng.morgan.edu/~galexan/IEGR/Parts.htm
[18:32:40] <Gigs-> thanks
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[18:37:42] <humble_sea_bass> the carrot in the food production section looks grody
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[18:41:04] <JT-Shop> lol
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[18:46:00] <_methods> http://www.casio-intl.com/asia-mea/en/calc/survey/fxfd10pro/
[18:46:07] <_methods> man i want one of those for in the shop
[18:46:24] <_methods> with real calculations not gay surveyor crap
[18:46:51] <_methods> with rs-232 cable
[18:46:59] <_methods> so i can send programs to machine
[18:47:32] <humble_sea_bass> omg i have a real bad case of the prog rock today.
[18:47:48] <_methods> irc helps
[18:47:56] <_methods> ...........waste more time
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[18:48:37] <humble_sea_bass> Genesis' Lamb Lies DOwn on Broadway is happening and productivity levels are dropping
[18:50:25] <humble_sea_bass> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IZw2CoYztk
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[19:05:29] <MacGalempsy> hey everyone
[19:06:06] <CaptHindsight_> heh, "machines should work, people should think" now it's "shut up any buy it"
[19:06:11] <MacGalempsy> anyone making cool stuff today?
[19:06:27] <XXCoder> pretty cool http://hackaday.com/2014/04/16/inkjet-transfers-to-wood/#more-119923
[19:07:11] <MacGalempsy> that is pretty cool. make some old school looking crates with that
[19:07:47] <_methods> heh found this in the material shed
[19:07:52] <_methods> gonna make something out of that
[19:07:54] <_methods> https://www.dropbox.com/s/xy7wg1vmkbza880/2014-04-17%2015.03.12.jpg
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[19:08:44] <CaptHindsight_> I think I have a red one of those
[19:09:12] <_methods> apparently it's ceramic impregnated uhmw or hdpe lol
[19:09:18] <_methods> no one seems to know exactly
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[19:09:47] <_methods> should be good for my end mills
[19:09:50] <XXCoder> mac yeah whats cool is that its not even hard
[19:10:14] <XXCoder> just buy label sheet, remove all labels, print, carefully transfer, protect done
[19:10:47] <_methods> would be great for wood project enclosure
[19:10:52] <_methods> you could label it with that
[19:10:55] <_methods> and decorate lol
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[19:11:37] <_methods> inkjet silkscreen
[19:11:57] <XXCoder> thats what it is basically.
[19:12:03] <XXCoder> however you get all colors
[19:12:08] <_methods> yeah
[19:12:11] <_methods> pretty sweet
[19:12:17] <XXCoder> inkjet colorspace anyway
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[19:24:42] <humble_sea_bass> https://www.flickr.com/photos/illgrill/216437370/
[19:25:06] <humble_sea_bass> my screen printing shop. buy was that place a messy ass hellhole
[19:25:30] <_methods> yeah dirty job
[19:26:06] <XXCoder> silk screen?
[19:26:23] <XXCoder> I saw a nice way to do it myself, just might do it evenually lol
[19:26:47] <XXCoder> http://makezine.com/video/diresta-simple-silkscreening/
[19:28:37] <humble_sea_bass> ugh
[19:28:46] <humble_sea_bass> dat publication
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[19:30:55] <_methods> yeah just say no
[19:31:32] <humble_sea_bass> well, I'll give him one thing, he is using pro-grade emulsion from Standard Screen supply
[19:31:55] <XXCoder> well it might be crappy for pro, but then I arent one
[19:32:17] <humble_sea_bass> the emulsion isn't crappy, that one is good but has a short shelf life
[19:32:23] <_methods> make magazine's greatest article ever
[19:32:23] <humble_sea_bass> and has to be used in a dark room
[19:32:25] <_methods> http://makezine.com/2013/11/09/grandpa-jakes-homemade-computer/
[19:32:29] <XXCoder> oh
[19:32:44] <XXCoder> so it evenally falls apart by light
[19:32:46] <_methods> i lost what little respect i had left for them at that point
[19:33:08] <humble_sea_bass> no XXCoder , light hardens it
[19:33:22] <XXCoder> to point of brittleness or?
[19:34:06] <humble_sea_bass> well, UV hardens it
[19:34:54] <XXCoder> what problems does it evenually develop
[19:35:19] <humble_sea_bass> as the emulsion ages?
[19:35:24] <XXCoder> yeah
[19:36:10] <humble_sea_bass> you get snot in the pot, which is bad when you're spreading, and sometimes you get pinholes from bubbles, othertimes it is specks because it doesnt wash out
[19:36:54] <XXCoder> oh so light makes it go like that faster
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[19:37:33] <humble_sea_bass> https://www.flickr.com/photos/illgrill/2889984643/in/photostream/
[19:37:40] <Loetmichel> _methods: that is/was a guy of my kind ;-)
[19:37:43] <humble_sea_bass> https://www.flickr.com/photos/illgrill/2889984519/in/photostream/
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[19:38:47] <XXCoder> ;lol ok
[19:38:59] <XXCoder> what about result - the shirt print or whatever
[19:39:05] <XXCoder> does it last well, ebven when washed?
[19:39:27] <humble_sea_bass> you match the ink to the substrate
[19:39:53] <CaptHindsight_> humble_sea_bass: http://www.3ders.org/articles/20140417-oxsybio-raises-to-develop-3d-bio-printer-to-print-synthetic-tissue-for-organ-repair.html
[19:39:58] <XXCoder> but does it last? if its something that lasts ponly one wash or something its not worth it
[19:40:20] <humble_sea_bass> I was reading about the printed cancer tumor Captain
[19:41:07] <humble_sea_bass> XXCoder: plastisol is the most durable ink, but you have to heat cure it with a heat lamp
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[19:41:31] <XXCoder> interesting. well its not a project I plan to do soon so no worries lol
[19:41:33] <humble_sea_bass> waterbased lasts ok, but it can be harder to handle if you don't know what's up
[19:41:51] <XXCoder> I just got package :D the electrics system for cnc router
[19:42:02] <CaptHindsight_> inkjet UV ink directly to garment, nobody is using UV cured ink yet
[19:42:03] <XXCoder> 3 nema 23, controller and power source
[19:42:57] <humble_sea_bass> cap, there are a few print shops out west which moved to die sublimation for all over print on a shirt
[19:43:07] <CaptHindsight_> humble_sea_bass: are the plastisols for garments water based?
[19:43:27] <humble_sea_bass> Plastisol is plastic suspended in real nasty solvents
[19:43:39] <CaptHindsight_> MEK
[19:44:03] <humble_sea_bass> but plastisol never hardens on your screen so you can print and print and not worry
[19:44:08] <CaptHindsight_> did you heat set the plastisol?
[19:44:12] <humble_sea_bass> waterbased, you can't have downtime
[19:44:23] <humble_sea_bass> plastisol is heat set on a conveyor dryer
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[19:44:43] <XXCoder> I do see benefits, no downtime on cleaning screen
[19:44:45] <humble_sea_bass> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Je9nHuRoKoU
[19:44:57] <XXCoder> offset by having to heat em to cure
[19:45:29] <_methods> can you do pizza in there too lol
[19:45:36] <XXCoder> lol
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[19:45:47] <CaptHindsight_> I can make UV cured work with thermal inkjet
[19:45:54] <XXCoder> Pizza and cool shirts while you wait!
[19:45:58] <_methods> hahah
[19:46:03] <CaptHindsight_> UV curing is also inexpensive now
[19:46:08] <humble_sea_bass> new soy based inks are UV cured
[19:46:09] <_methods> whole new meaning to getting pizza on yoru shirt
[19:46:21] <humble_sea_bass> and they are nicer, even the waterbased ones have gotten better
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[19:46:36] <XXCoder> what print lasts better?
[19:46:44] <XXCoder> I have seen prints fall apart after 2 or 3 washes
[19:47:22] <humble_sea_bass> the best lasting prints I feel, are discharge prints
[19:47:36] <humble_sea_bass> but that ink has formaldehyde, so don't go down that road
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[19:47:55] <XXCoder> lol ok
[19:48:06] <humble_sea_bass> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTmZ9_slSJM
[19:48:16] <CaptHindsight_> is anyone making a UV cured water based ink for quickly printing t's?
[19:48:50] <humble_sea_bass> yeah. i think the dye sublimation inks are ultimately UV cured
[19:49:08] <CaptHindsight_> dye sub no good
[19:49:13] <CaptHindsight_> no white
[19:49:14] <XXCoder> multicolor cool
[19:49:26] <_methods> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6dlL1U7pl4
[19:49:47] <humble_sea_bass> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81ooa37XsN4
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[19:50:09] <humble_sea_bass> white is a problem for just about all screen prints
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[19:50:20] <CaptHindsight_> I was working on inkjets for garment printing 5-10 years ago but lost interest
[19:50:22] <humble_sea_bass> except plastisol, and discharge
[19:50:54] <CaptHindsight_> I can make a water based UV ink for TIJ that works well on dark T's
[19:51:20] <humble_sea_bass> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQdPP04qEwU
[19:51:21] <CaptHindsight_> CMYK+W
[19:51:47] <CaptHindsight_> they use an Epson
[19:51:48] <humble_sea_bass> the problem is that printing shirts for others doesn't make you any money
[19:52:11] <XXCoder> if I ever go for it, its not for profit or any business, just for fun
[19:52:32] <humble_sea_bass> dye sublimation is the cheapest option now for all over prints since you don't deal with registration
[19:53:04] <CaptHindsight_> what if you could print a T-shirt in a minute with a modified TIJ printer
[19:54:08] <humble_sea_bass> http://www.vertelife.com/clothing/lookbook.html
[19:54:28] <humble_sea_bass> i did these all over prints a million years ago
[19:54:29] <CaptHindsight_> well you could actually print at 200 feet/minute at 600 dpi CMYK+W with TIJ
[19:55:05] <humble_sea_bass> well, it is something to look into if the overall machine cost isn't insane
[19:55:34] <CaptHindsight_> depends on what I feel like charging
[19:55:57] <humble_sea_bass> if you are doing the prints yourself as a project, blank tee = 1 dollar, and you can charge 4-6 bucks to print it depending on how many colors
[19:56:50] <CaptHindsight_> cartridges are $30ea and last for a few liters , whats the volume of ink per garment?
[19:57:17] <humble_sea_bass> anyhow, if the inks are reasonably priced you can sell it, nd you should develop a prototype for the screen printing expo
[19:57:54] <humble_sea_bass> I never did die sublimation so I can't tell you how much ink goes into one of those prints
[19:58:23] <CaptHindsight_> I'm working on bigger and better things now, but i used to be interested in textile printing
[19:58:29] <humble_sea_bass> plastisol is super opaque, so a gallon costs 30 bux and lasts 2000 shirts usually
[19:58:54] <CaptHindsight_> 1/2000 gallon per shirt per color
[19:59:19] <CaptHindsight_> with inkjet there is no setup time
[19:59:28] <XXCoder> only 30 dollars? dang
[19:59:30] <CaptHindsight_> well just getting the shirt on the form
[19:59:48] <humble_sea_bass> that's usually the problem and most time consuming part
[20:00:50] <CaptHindsight_> 3.75L / 2000 = 1.875mL
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[20:02:07] <humble_sea_bass> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r91pFlO6wwo
[20:02:24] <humble_sea_bass> this is a modern shop
[20:02:48] <CaptHindsight_> single pass 100 shirts per minute, with scanning 1-10
[20:03:32] <CaptHindsight_> yeah screen printing
[20:04:31] <CaptHindsight_> see the speed of the wiper, that is easily the speed of inkjet
[20:04:53] <XXCoder> pretty awesome
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[20:05:25] <CaptHindsight_> how many passes do they make for each color?
[20:05:28] <humble_sea_bass> that's pretty fast
[20:05:50] <XXCoder> looked like 2-3 or more dunno
[20:05:53] <CaptHindsight_> with industrial heads we can print in the few meters per second
[20:06:12] <humble_sea_bass> with discharge it is single pass, you match your screen mesh & thickness to determine deposition amount
[20:07:03] <CaptHindsight_> they didn't show it but are they later passed through a heat/dryer
[20:07:25] <humble_sea_bass> with plastisol, you may do 2 passes for the less opaque colors like white and red if you want them to pop, with a little bit of curing in between so the 2nd coat sticks to the 1st
[20:08:11] <CaptHindsight_> what if you could print the shirt and the graphics all at the same time?
[20:08:38] <XXCoder> CaptHindsight_: theres new spray on shirt
[20:08:46] <XXCoder> use that with printing and youre done
[20:08:48] <CaptHindsight_> yes, similar
[20:09:09] <XXCoder> http://www.theguardian.com/science/video/2010/sep/16/spray-on-t-shirt
[20:09:17] <humble_sea_bass> http://kotaku.com/5939210/this-long-lost-nintendo-knitting-machine-would-have-let-you-make-sweaters-with-your-nes
[20:09:29] <XXCoder> better video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSZlHqXGz7I
[20:10:13] <humble_sea_bass> no for so many reasons
[20:10:24] <CaptHindsight_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rs6xscd5NIA
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[20:10:57] <humble_sea_bass> oh those banboo/rayon seamless things
[20:10:59] <CaptHindsight_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqI0RR8g4ug
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[20:11:54] <humble_sea_bass> I don't think you're gonna get men to be ok with the material
[20:12:17] <CaptHindsight_> no snaps, no buttons just like Idiocracy
[20:13:26] <CaptHindsight_> http://nyoobserver.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/maya-rudolph-idiocracy-7e492.jpeg
[20:14:16] <humble_sea_bass> such a good movie
[20:14:17] <CaptHindsight_> I'm a bit disappointed by Mike Judge's new show
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[20:14:59] <XXCoder> yeah idiotacy is funny
[20:14:59] <humble_sea_bass> have not caught it
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[20:15:26] <CaptHindsight_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon_Valley_%28TV_series%29
[20:15:46] <XXCoder> watch. bring/wear diapers because you'll need em by laughing
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[20:17:46] <CaptHindsight_> so 7-8mL of ink per shirt
[20:18:25] <CaptHindsight_> 1.875mL x 4 colors = 7.5mL
[20:19:01] <humble_sea_bass> how vibrant/opaque can it be, that's kind of important
[20:19:31] <CaptHindsight_> just like plastisol
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[20:20:09] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DWc8dUl7Xfo
[20:20:22] <shaun413> HI!
[20:20:37] <CaptHindsight_> plus it can have lots of different textures
[20:21:23] <CaptHindsight_> soft flexible rubbery flat/dull feel to slick and gloss
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[20:22:38] <XXCoder> lol good videa
[20:22:41] <CaptHindsight_> so many people we modifying Epson printers that Epson finally made their own printers
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[20:23:57] <shaun413> anyone good with thermodynamic design?
[20:24:15] <humble_sea_bass> pee on it
[20:24:15] <zeeshan> why
[20:24:25] <shaun413> Im trying to design somethin
[20:24:39] <zeeshan> whats ur q
[20:25:13] <shaun413> what materials are best for a heatsink?
[20:25:36] <zeeshan> thats heat transfer..
[20:25:44] <zeeshan> look for low thermal conductivity materials
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[20:25:50] <zeeshan> aluminum etc
[20:26:04] <zeeshan> Q = hA*deltaT
[20:26:04] <XXCoder> copper is best
[20:26:08] <XXCoder> price though
[20:26:22] <zeeshan> kA*deltaT!
[20:26:30] <XXCoder> I saw hyrid of alum fins with copper core to spread heat to em
[20:26:35] <Jymmm> LN2
[20:26:44] <zeeshan> yea youre trying to increase the surface area
[20:26:49] <zeeshan> youll get better heat transfer that way
[20:26:53] <shaun413> right
[20:27:13] <shaun413> im designing a 3d printer hotend
[20:27:56] <CaptHindsight_> high thermal transfer coefficient
[20:28:04] <CaptHindsight_> low is an insulator
[20:28:23] <humble_sea_bass> if we werent trolled before, this guy is def trolling now
[20:28:28] <zeeshan> hah
[20:28:29] <shaun413> ?
[20:28:35] <shaun413> I am not
[20:29:00] <humble_sea_bass> open your heat transfer book to the 1st page, table of heat transfer coefficients
[20:29:07] <zeeshan> shaun directed miley cyrus's wrecking ball
[20:29:09] <zeeshan> video
[20:29:45] <CaptHindsight_> gold, copper, diamond, aluminum, carbon/graphite are all good heat conductors
[20:29:53] <humble_sea_bass> W/(m2•K)
[20:29:56] <shaun413> right
[20:30:14] <zeeshan> my poops a good conductor
[20:30:16] <CaptHindsight_> I'd suggest aluminum for your application
[20:30:28] <zeeshan> i suggest gold
[20:30:35] <zeeshan> for the $$$$$ factor
[20:31:40] <XXCoder> lol bling rerap
[20:32:17] <shaun413> do you guys see any way to make existing designs betteR?
[20:32:28] <XXCoder> more bling yes
[20:32:31] <zeeshan> yea
[20:32:32] <zeeshan> gold
[20:32:33] <zeeshan> would be sexy
[20:32:36] <shaun413> :/
[20:32:44] <CaptHindsight_> well we can't do all your homework
[20:32:57] <zeeshan> ban ban ban ban
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[20:35:24] <humble_sea_bass> add spinnaz to mah heat sinks
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[20:39:51] <XXCoder> what a dumbfuck http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/portland-reservoir-be-drained-after-teen-pees-water-n82901
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[20:49:25] <CaptHindsight_> peerorist!
[20:49:40] <XXCoder> pee on it
[20:50:05] <CaptHindsight_> I surprise that Homeland Security wasn't called in
[20:50:32] <_methods> they were workin on another leak
[20:50:33] <_methods> lol
[20:50:51] <XXCoder> leak lol
[20:50:53] <CaptHindsight_> buh dum pum
[20:51:22] <_methods> i'll be here all week
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[21:06:44] <Jymmm> _methods: Thanks for the warning, or was that a threat?
[21:08:10] <_methods> haha the leak?
[21:08:23] <Jymmm> _methods: "methods: i'll be here all week"
[21:08:56] <_methods> purely threat
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[21:09:12] <Jymmm> _methods: Ok, I can live with that
[21:09:42] <tjtr33> CaptHindsight, just picked up a Hurco MB-1 over in richmond, ran nice :)
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[21:12:27] <Deejay> gn8
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[21:14:48] <CaptHindsight_> tjtr33: nice
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[21:16:07] <CaptHindsight_> tjtr33: what was it doing in Richmond?
[21:17:46] <tjtr33> machine shop, the guy had a row of 'em, but mostly newer
[21:18:14] <tjtr33> cat 30 holders, a dozen, to fill the atc
[21:19:10] <tjtr33> its nice that all works before i start to hack it up. oh, real prints too, even boards
[21:21:10] <CaptHindsight_> I always pass one up off 12 on the way the lake geneva
[21:22:46] <tjtr33> ok, back to converting hirez jpgs into schematics :) http://imagebin.org/306202 l8r!
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[22:47:08] <shaun413> hiii
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[22:58:32] cradek changed topic of #linuxcnc to: LinuxCNC is a linux-based opensource CNC control. | Latest release: 2.5.4 | http://www.linuxcnc.org | http://wiki.linuxcnc.org
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[23:19:27] <XXCoder> if want, support this https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1569698176/2000-student-projects-to-the-edge-of-space
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[23:25:48] <tjtr33> 2.5.4 YAY! thanks to all the devs!
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[23:32:04] <andypugh> Thanks to Chris for pushing it out.
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[23:53:54] <shaun967> Hi
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[23:56:07] <humble_sea_bass> https://i.imgur.com/4ulJxE5.jpg
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[23:57:43] <humble_sea_bass> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gr9qSGnxG3c
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