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[00:00:26] <Jymmm> jdh: Had other heat options I'm suspecting?
[00:02:19] <jdh> other than sit under blankets and shiver? no.
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[00:03:27] <jdh> put all the stuff in the freezer outside.
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[00:04:28] <Jymmm> jdh: No fireplace or anything?
[00:05:12] <Jymmm> jdh: ...and isn't under the covers "shivering" what got her pregnant in the first place? lol
[00:05:14] <jdh> nope.
[00:05:51] <jdh> heh, both were planned... worked out almost perfectly (one was off by 1 month)
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[00:06:32] <Jymmm> jdh: That's fucked up. We had the wall heater go out one evening (scum landlord too), and luckily it wasn't that cold and I was able to fix it the next day luckily enough.....
[00:06:55] <XXCoder1> interesting
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/04/07/1290380/-Navy-lab-makes-gasoline-from-seawater-as-low-as-3-per-gallon?detail=facebook
[00:07:07] <Jymmm> jdh: after that I said fuck this, and it took me a while but I finally found the Portable Buddy heater.
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[00:07:37] <jdh> I bought stuff after I could get out. Never needed it (moved a few months later)
[00:08:00] <jdh> here, we have lost power for a few days post-hurricane, but it is just an inconvenience and the weather is usually beautiful post-storm
[00:08:18] <Jymmm> jdh: Once we had that fucking enro crap and no power for six hours, the gf was sicker than a dawg, it was 100F, no fans, and lost our reef tank too. I got a honda EU2000 after that.
[00:08:57] <Jymmm> jdh: So now, I have power and heat for at least 96 hours
[00:09:52] <XXCoder1> I wonder if theres enough differnal between sun and shade to run larger stirling for power
[00:10:12] <Jymmm> XXCoder1: to power what?
[00:10:22] <XXCoder1> AC. LOL
[00:10:29] <XXCoder1> use hot sun to cool
[00:11:11] <Jymmm> Not sure, after the BS, I just wasn't going to go thru that again.
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[00:12:01] <Jymmm> Working on a solar setup too
[00:12:18] <Jymmm> Well, a tad larger than I already have that is
[00:12:41] <Jymmm> I have 15W now, going for 50W next.
[00:14:01] <Jymmm> Speaking of which... I need to shutdown the NAS so I can reclaim my wattmeter =)
[00:14:36] <XXCoder1> cool
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[00:19:30] <Jymmm> Yeah, I got a 50W controller for xmas, but I'm going to use that for a 50W panel, and I have these "unique" battery packs that I can use the 15W panel fro directly once I fnd the right connectors.
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[00:20:52] <Jymmm> Man, the NAS is slow during startup =)
[00:21:14] <Jymmm> Ah, there she be =)
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[00:29:07] <PetefromTn_> was reading Mike Haberlers email posting about a combined build with the new Trajectory Planner as well as the jog while paused feature. Sounds like good stuff to me man..LOL
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[00:37:57] <XXCoder1> random thought, possible to run cnc router cut glass? lol
[00:38:24] <PetefromTn_> You could diamond engrave it... Or build a waterjet from one LOL.
[00:39:08] <PetefromTn_> It could be possible to machine it with a diamond bit but you would need a VERY precise and smooth action machine.
[00:39:25] <XXCoder1> I bet.
[00:39:39] <XXCoder1> definitely not any cheap stepper machine I bet
[00:40:18] <PetefromTn_> dunno.. the stepper part has nothing to do with it really. Nothing wrong with steppers.
[00:40:41] <XXCoder1> dont it move in discrate steps
[00:40:48] <XXCoder1> tiny ones but still
[00:41:30] <PetefromTn_> feed is feed I would think but I am no stepper expert.
[00:41:40] <XXCoder1> ok heh
[00:41:53] <XXCoder1> I doubt I would test that theory lol
[00:42:08] <XXCoder1> engrave with diamond bit a circle on glass see what happens
[00:44:23] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8cfxt0NtjM Basically just like this but on glass... and yeah that is a stepper machine apparently.
[00:44:45] <XXCoder1> interesting
[00:44:58] <XXCoder1> wonder what ipm it is going on
[00:45:18] <XXCoder1> and look, it does more than one step deep so doc must be tiny
[00:45:50] <PetefromTn_> whaddya mean?
[00:45:50] <XXCoder1> oh borders nm
[00:46:01] <XXCoder1> I thought it cut twice, deeper on second
[00:46:04] <PetefromTn_> The drag engraver is a floating cutterhaed.
[00:46:13] <PetefromTn_> It is spring loaded
[00:46:22] <XXCoder1> really? intersting
[00:46:38] <PetefromTn_> you just set a suitable Z depth to get the amount of pressure you desire which determines the depth of the engraving.
[00:46:40] <XXCoder1> same thing on steel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eCsngVlKso
[00:47:09] <XXCoder1> it dont seem to be rotating
[00:47:27] <PetefromTn_> it isn't
[00:47:34] <PetefromTn_> it is just being dragged around.
[00:47:43] <XXCoder1> interesting
[00:47:44] <PetefromTn_> Thus the name Diamond Drag Engraving.
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[00:48:51] <PetefromTn_> MMMmmmm my wife made me some hot fudge brownies and a tall glass of milk... SWEET!
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[00:49:00] <XXCoder1> :)
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[00:50:50] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7KWp3cutyk This video shows glass being engraved apparently and the text seems to indicate it is doable.
[00:51:21] <XXCoder1> looing
[00:51:49] <humble_sea_bass> those spring mounted glass grinding bits are the cats pajamas
[00:51:51] <PetefromTn_> nice part about these tools is that the surface need not be perfectly flat due to the floating head which can be a challenge for other forms of engraving.
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[00:54:40] <XXCoder2> amazinh
[00:54:53] <PetefromTn_> pretty sweet huh.
[00:55:06] <XXCoder2> yeah I love the glass wine cup one
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[00:56:06] <PetefromTn_> you can buy those heads for like $180.00 I think or you can make one yourself. It is simple actually just needs to have good runout and the action needs to be tight so the cutter does not move when the machine changes direction.
[00:56:35] <NickParker|2> Is there someplace I can find a working .hal file for a 5i25/6i25 hostmot2 driven machine?
[00:57:05] <NickParker|2> I can jog axes and spin the spindle and such from halrun now, but trying to build the whole file from scratch seems very very slow
[00:58:18] <PetefromTn_> can you not use PNCconf?
[00:58:35] <NickParker|2> no, I had to do a bunch of special crap with my firmware, mostly to my stepgens
[00:58:58] <NickParker|2> It still takes the same general input .hal side though
[00:59:33] <XXCoder2> pete interesting
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[01:01:37] <XXCoder2> when I have handle on cnc thinbg and has money I just might go for heck of it lol
[01:01:54] <XXCoder2> its nice way to make glass products. $1 store always has plenty crap glas
[01:03:51] <NickParker> PetefromTn_, Oh, use PNC to make an example. That just worked pretty well for me, lots of stuff I'm missing here. Ty
[01:04:58] <PetefromTn_> BRB
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[01:12:44] <witnit> I think I made a poor choice buying an extra par port
[01:13:32] <witnit> I assumed since they only been around for half a century you would think It would recognize it
[01:13:37] <witnit> nope.
[01:16:00] <witnit> shouldnt two be listed here? [ 16.140448] parport_pc 00:0d: reported by Plug and Play ACPI
[01:16:01] <witnit> [ 16.140520] parport0: PC-style at 0x378, irq 7 [PCSPP,TRISTATE]
[01:16:01] <witnit> [ 16.233386] lp0: using parport0 (interrupt-driven).
[01:16:02] <PetefromTn_Andro> Okay back again.LOL
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[01:27:41] <PetefromTn_Andro> I got some things I could engrave with that diamond drag engraver maybe I need to try to build one for the VMC ..
[01:30:04] <PetefromTn_Andro> A lot of the parts they make in the shop need to be engraved with a part number. They have this interesting little impact engraver that is a small scarab robot that has a programmable interface that sits on a desktop.
[01:32:29] <witnit> im really foolish when it comes to this stuff, what does this mean? WARNING: All config files need .conf: /etc/modprobe.d/emc2, it will be ignored in a future release.
[01:32:55] <witnit> my printer port I added is asking me to "modprobe wch"
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[01:43:47] <XXCoder2> I wonder how well it would work on abs
[01:43:55] <XXCoder2> that engraver thing
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[01:52:39] <witnit> could I get just a little direction here? Im attempting to install a printer port. the diagnostic is telling me port not found, check lsmod for driver, and I dont know what im supposed to do to "check" it, its there but
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[01:59:46] <R2E4_> evening
[02:00:06] <witnit> gooood eveninnnnnnngg
[02:00:25] <CaptMemleak> wasshappinin?
[02:01:44] <witnit> ha this is the error report from the the tool that came with this printer port card== No any port been found, type 'lsmod' to check driver ==
[02:02:00] <witnit> thanks mr chinaman
[02:02:06] <witnit> big help
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[02:03:24] <CaptMemleak> it made sense to him
[02:03:36] <witnit> it doesnt even tell me anything
[02:03:41] <CaptMemleak> and you get points for trying
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[02:04:04] <CaptMemleak> what problem are you having with it?
[02:04:17] <witnit> no any port been found
[02:04:23] <witnit> see the log...
[02:04:39] <witnit> it says, do make install..
[02:04:49] <witnit> and insmod ***.ko
[02:05:00] <witnit> and still no port found
[02:05:00] <CaptMemleak> what do lspci give unto you?
[02:05:14] <witnit> it called it serial device
[02:05:35] <CaptMemleak> maybe it's not a LPT controller
[02:05:36] <witnit> 0a:09.0 Serial controller: Device 4348:5053 (rev 10)
[02:06:05] <witnit> 1284 printer card adapter is what is on the package
[02:06:10] <witnit> with a db35 pinout
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[02:06:14] <witnit> 25*
[02:06:28] <witnit> what else should you expect to be getting than a printer port?
[02:06:39] <CaptMemleak> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1629616.html
[02:08:20] <witnit> this looks like exactly the same card and problem
[02:08:38] <witnit> I greatly appreciate this how did you find so quickly!
[02:11:16] <CaptMemleak> heh, really want to know?
[02:11:43] <witnit> no
[02:11:44] <CaptMemleak> LMGTFY Device 4348:5053
[02:11:50] <witnit> ahhh
[02:11:53] <witnit> trash
[02:12:11] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/nc4lvNk.jpg
[02:12:16] <zeeshan> steam engine =D
[02:12:20] <witnit> this is such a waste of my time.
[02:12:24] <zeeshan> that chain might rip someones arm off
[02:12:38] <witnit> I think I will order one which I will not have to mess with.
[02:12:51] <witnit> and never buy from from that company again.
[02:13:19] <zeeshan> do lspci -vv
[02:13:28] <zeeshan> and see if the parallel port shows up
[02:13:28] <witnit> for the time I have wasted on it already I could have bought 4 working out of the box ones by now
[02:14:21] <skunkworks> zeeshan: cool - based on a 2cyl air compressor?
[02:14:27] <CaptMemleak> yeah, lots of Krappy LPT devices out there
[02:14:40] <zeeshan> skunkworks: yes
[02:16:25] <witnit> http://pastebin.com/sSK0c1VB
[02:17:09] <witnit> its really not worth it, if I cant ask someone to pick the item out of the box, place it into the system and load a .hal file it's just not worth it.
[02:18:02] <zeeshan> i dont see what the problem is?
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[02:18:15] <zeeshan> its being detected
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[02:18:22] <zeeshan> 0x5008 is the address
[02:18:35] <zeeshan> interesting its showing up as using serial drivers
[02:19:04] <witnit> so.. it says its not working with the app that comes with ut
[02:19:05] <witnit> it
[02:19:20] <zeeshan> theres a guy6 that does some steps
[02:19:24] <zeeshan> to get it to work
[02:20:00] <zeeshan> at that link that was posted before
[02:20:05] <witnit> I saw
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[02:20:21] <zeeshan> looks like its a matter of getting it to use the parport driver
[02:20:23] <zeeshan> and not serial
[02:21:36] <R2E4_> insmod what they guy said in that post
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[02:23:10] <asd_> yo
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[02:27:58] <witnit> yeah so, if you live in indiana, free serial port labeled, "printer port" should be at the end of my driveway by morning
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[02:31:39] <R2E4_> witnit, howz that software coming?
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[02:36:26] <witnit> very good :)
[02:37:06] <witnit> Im curious though which way is your 7i84 oriented when you are accessing it? serial cable is pointed north south east or west?
[02:40:24] <witnit> R2E4_
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[02:41:32] <ebrummer> playing with 5i23 and 7i49 for my resolvers. i put the bin files etc in so I can run pncconf , select 5i23, select SV6_7i49 on Mesa I/O setup screen. Hit accept component changes. I don't get any extra tabs to specify which axis etc is which. If I click forward, I get "you forgot to designate a stepper or pwm signal for axis x" etc for each axis. THen I get teh x axis motor/encoder config and can't go forward or anything.
[02:43:39] <pcw_home> Not sure pncconf has ever worked very well for
[02:43:41] <pcw_home> resolver configs but a do you have a sv6_7i49 xml file?
[02:44:00] <ebrummer> believe so
[02:44:17] <ebrummer> copied everything out of the 5i23 zip I have. let me double check
[02:44:39] <ebrummer> yes I do.
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[02:46:49] <pcw_home> you can probably disconnect the 7i49, tell pncconf you have a 7I48 config and then edit the hal file
[02:46:51] <pcw_home> ( globally replacing the word encoder with resolver)
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[02:47:37] <R2E4_> east
[02:47:47] <witnit> good.
[02:47:48] <witnit> :)
[02:48:11] <ebrummer> thanks
[02:48:45] <pcw_home> no no! the serial connection must face up so it absorbs moon rays
[02:50:04] <witnit> some of that snake poison still flowing in ya huh?
[02:50:09] <witnit> =D
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[02:51:05] <pcw_home> I probably poisoned the snake more that it poisoned me
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[02:52:14] <witnit> lead and mercury poisoning through osmosis, all that soldering...
[02:52:24] <R2E4_> http://irmtl.com/vm40/plc-relays.jpg http://irmtl.com/LinuxCNC/panel1.JPG The 7i84 is on the left of the 7io77, with serial cable pointing towards the 7i77
[02:53:15] <witnit> jeesh do you have your wiring sent out to be cosmetically bent
[02:53:23] <witnit> that is some pro stuff
[02:54:07] <R2E4_> http://irmtl.com/LinuxCNC/panel2.JPG closeup
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[02:54:40] <R2E4_> That reminds me I have to check 5 inputs that I couldnt get working before.
[02:55:06] <R2E4_> MEsa boards are fantastic!!!
[02:56:06] <ebrummer> my apologies. which config is the 7i48? looking through the files that came with the 5i23?
[02:56:43] <ebrummer> firmware i should say
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[03:00:47] <witnit> R2E4_ where is the 7i84 though? isnt that located elsewhere?
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[03:04:41] <ebrummer> SVST8_4 would be appropriate?
[03:05:56] <pcw_home> Well I assumed there was one but maybe not...
[03:06:14] <pcw_home> do you have the latest pncconf?
[03:06:54] <pcw_home> SVST8_4 is not a 7I48 config
[03:08:53] <ebrummer> I'm checking on version. I don't know why I wouldn't. Installed it a few weeks ago. hostmot2 is all latest
[03:09:31] <ebrummer> in the package manager
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[03:13:52] <pcw_home> if you just want a resolver test config I think i have one around
[03:14:31] <ebrummer> setting up a 3axis analog dc brushed servo with resolvers
[03:14:44] <ebrummer> (and eventually adding a spindle encoder)
[03:15:07] <ebrummer> looking to getting up and going testing axis movement/resolver feedback
[03:16:10] <pcw_home> freeby.mesanet.com/hm2-servosrt.hal
[03:16:12] <pcw_home> freeby.mesanet.com/5i23-srt.ini
[03:16:55] <pcw_home> are basically the hm2 sample servo files with resolver instead of encoder feedback
[03:18:01] <ebrummer> and I'll drop those in same as the other sample configs, and be selectable when starting up LinuxCNC (and not using pncconf
[03:18:43] <pcw_home> yep
[03:19:35] <ebrummer> thanks
[03:20:11] <pcw_home> check that the resolver bitfile name matches what you have, you may need to change it
[03:23:44] <witnit> I have three large ac resolver feedback gettys motors perfect for a bridgeport or bigger, if anyone needs such a thing
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[14:49:00] <Jymmm> I picked up a 220V impulse sealer cheap. If I plug it into 110V then measure the voltages at the secondary of the xfmr, will it be linear (can I just 'double' the output voltages when looking for a replacement xfmr)?
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[14:50:28] <skunkworks> yes
[14:51:19] <skunkworks> why not run it on 220?
[14:51:53] <Jymmm> Ok cool, and just double the wattage too (plus a tad more) ? I dont have a invertor
[14:53:04] <Jymmm> It's not an industrail sealer, just a commercial one.
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[14:53:29] <Jymmm> But $5 beats $130 =)
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[14:54:44] <skunkworks> you don't have 220v?
[14:54:47] <pcw_home> sure the transformer doesn't have a 110/220 input option?
[14:55:03] <Jymmm> skunkworks: only the oven and dryer.
[14:55:35] <Jymmm> pcw_home: No, this is SUPER cheap chinese thing. no dual voltage option
[14:55:35] <skunkworks> you live in california - don't you? you don't need a dryer..
[14:56:09] <Jymmm> skunkworks: LOL, well we also have this thing called killer mold too =)
[14:56:48] <skunkworks> watts is watts.. if you get a transformer that takes 110v in and the right voltage out - same wattage should work.
[14:57:33] <Jymmm> pcw_home: BTW... the flashlight we have... the "newest" version does NOT have memory no matter what the description says.
[14:57:51] <pcw_home> A 110/220 autotransformer will do as well (or a 110/110 isolation transformer)
[14:58:07] <pcw_home> I need a new one
[14:58:11] <Jymmm> pcw_home: I don't have either of those =)
[14:58:20] <Jymmm> pcw_home: broke your old one?
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[14:59:36] <pcw_home> lost it
[14:59:50] <Jymmm> oh man, that sucks
[15:00:02] <Jymmm> pcw_home: you want a nice toy?
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[15:00:51] <Jymmm> pcw_home: If you don't mind doing the mod for protected cells...
http://www.kaidomain.com/product/details.S022116
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[15:01:50] <Jymmm> pcw_home: Mod = 6 flat washers, 4" piece of 12ga solid wire, and a soldering iron
[15:02:32] <Jymmm> pcw_home: IT doens't NEED 3 batteries, but can use UP TO 3 batteries
[15:02:55] <Jymmm> for longer run time, or to be charger
[15:05:24] <Jymmm> HEH... a piece of plastic is a FELONY under federal law and a 10 year sentence!
[15:08:30] <Connor> Why do you need to mod if for protected cells ?
[15:08:46] <Jymmm> Connor: 3mm too short.
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[15:10:24] <Connor> and, what the heck is a impulse sealer ?
[15:10:42] <Jymmm> Connor: heat seals plastic bags.
[15:10:42] <CaptHindsight2> it works! \0/
[15:10:51] <Connor> OH. I have one of those.
[15:11:07] <Connor> 110v.. I think I payed $8 for it.
[15:11:44] <Jymmm> Connor:
http://www.uline.com/BL_2253/Tabletop-Poly-Bag-Sealer-Impulse
[15:11:45] <skunkworks> CaptHindsight2, great! what?
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[15:12:06] <Connor> Jymmm: Yup.. That's exactly what I got..
[15:12:21] <Connor> I think I've used it maybe twice in the 4 or 5 years since I picked it up.
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[15:13:44] <CaptHindsight2> skunkworks, always happy when a new install on a new machine works
[15:13:54] <skunkworks> heh
[15:14:09] <CaptHindsight2> now to spend the day getting all the configs right
[15:15:15] <CaptHindsight2> unfortunately the SBR's from China have a few square bearings in them :(
[15:15:47] <Connor> ?
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[15:16:32] <CaptHindsight2> if they don't quiet down after a mile of travel I'll have to replace them (SBR = supported bearing rail)
[15:17:03] <CaptHindsight2> or are bearings supposed to sound crunchy?
[15:17:21] <Connor> Any sort of lube ?
[15:17:47] <Connor> I use the silicon stuff used for sliding glass doors on SBR (for wood working machines)
[15:17:54] <Connor> no liquid because machine made out of MDF
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[15:19:23] <CaptHindsight2> this one runs Gentoo with preempt_rt
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[15:19:44] <Connor> CaptHindsight What did you get in ?
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[15:26:18] <CaptHindsight2> Connor, these are coated with moly grease and synthetic 90W
[15:26:40] <Connor> CaptHindsight Umm.. Okay.. What did you get anyway ?
[15:26:55] <Connor> some sort of Chinese router like a 6040 ?
[15:27:12] <CaptHindsight2> so probably a few square-ish bearings and maybe some foreign particles while being assembled
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[15:37:02] <CaptHindsight2> Connor, yes, reworking a China 4530 45cm x 30cm
[15:37:30] <CaptHindsight2> was hoping to find a source that was good for more than just the frame
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[15:37:55] <Connor> Are you reselling them or something ?
[15:41:27] <CaptHindsight2> Connor, I bui;d all sorts of custom machines
[15:42:42] <Connor> That one from Automation Direct ?
[15:44:03] <Connor> If so, doesn't look like they used bearing blocks...
[15:46:58] <CaptHindsight2> this is from automation technologies
[15:47:13] <Connor> Yup.. So, no bearing blocks for the ball screws ?
[15:47:21] <Connor> Just using the coupler and stepper motor?
[15:47:47] <CaptHindsight2> unfortunately they are all just too poorly made
[15:48:05] <CaptHindsight2> the wost part are the bearings
[15:48:30] <Connor> AT is good company.. I would complain to them.
[15:48:43] <CaptHindsight2> dtents or sound like they have sand inn them, probably from a bearing factory that very dirty
[15:49:13] <CaptHindsight2> Connor, I know the owner
[15:49:19] <Connor> Ah.
[15:49:31] <Connor> Well.. tell him to stop importing crap then. :)
[15:49:34] <CaptHindsight2> that's just how they are made
[15:49:48] <CaptHindsight2> he did, he only has a few left on special sale
[15:50:07] <Connor> What's he got to replace them ?
[15:50:12] <CaptHindsight2> nothing
[15:50:57] <Connor> Not made correctly either.. the rails for the gantry should be mounted sideways.. not on the bottom.. I know, I made the same mistake.
[15:51:22] <CaptHindsight2> it's not a very good router design
[15:51:30] <CaptHindsight2> it has lots of flex
[15:51:44] <CaptHindsight2> it's fine for non-contact applications
[15:51:58] <CaptHindsight2> like a printer
[15:52:59] <CaptHindsight2> no, they aren't made with linear servos and crossed roller bearings
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[15:53:15] <CaptHindsight2> but only $700
[15:53:44] <Connor> It's cheaper than the one I build.. and mine was made from MDF.
[15:54:02] <Connor> but, mine uses bearing blocks. :
[15:54:03] <Connor> :)
[15:58:52] <CaptHindsight2> when Linux first comes up the LPT Pin #1 (STROBE) signal defaults to a LOW
[15:59:34] <CaptHindsight2> that could be exciting if you tie #Spindle Enable to that line :)
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[16:25:06] <Tom_itx> skunkworks, you around?
[16:25:13] <skunkworks> yes?
[16:25:15] <Tom_itx> how do i download that new TP code to test?
[16:25:32] <Tom_itx> do you have a git line i can use?
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[16:25:57] <skunkworks> which one do you want? the machinekit one or the linuxcnc one?
[16:26:01] <Tom_itx> i'm not very git savvy
[16:26:10] <Tom_itx> the one mhaberler posted yesterday
[16:26:46] <Tom_itx> for the pause resume
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[16:31:05] <skunkworks_> this is how I did it for sim
[16:31:07] <skunkworks_> http://pastebin.ca/2693555
[16:31:20] <atom1> ok
[16:31:41] <Tom_itx> how hard would it be to make a config run under it?
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[16:32:11] <skunkworks> well - it is based on master - It should run your configs just fine..
[16:32:13] <Tom_itx> i was gonna start working on MPG code for it to see how hard that would be
[16:32:38] <skunkworks> you will want to add the [traj] section items for the new tp
[16:32:54] <atom1> ahh yes, i have notes on that somewhere..
[16:33:19] <skunkworks> as far as the jog while paused - you need to look at the samlpe config he posted
[16:33:33] <atom1> i think i have those links
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[16:44:53] <atom1> skunkworks, are you talking about the jog-while-pause9.ini?
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[16:47:49] <skunkworks> yes
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[16:53:02] <Deejay> namd
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[16:53:30] <atom1> leave off the --enable-run-in-place if i'm gonna go live with it?
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[16:54:18] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[16:54:23] <skunkworks> atom1, yes
[16:54:33] <skunkworks> atom1, wait
[16:55:01] <skunkworks> sorry
[16:55:07] <skunkworks> it should be that for realtime
[16:55:14] <atom1> which?
[16:56:02] <skunkworks> ( simulator should be --enable-simulator)
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[16:56:15] <skunkworks> --enable-run-in-place is for realtime
[16:56:19] <atom1> ok
[16:56:37] <atom1> so you need one or the other
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[16:58:14] <skunkworks> right
[16:58:50] <Tom_itx> what if you don't give it any options? just ./configure
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[17:26:33] <Jymmm> pcw_home: I got a flashlight for ya! lmao
[17:26:40] <skunkworks> Tom_itx, I don't know...
[17:27:27] <Jymmm> pcw_home: PCW
http://usd.dx.com/product/e-smart-cree-xm-l-q5-230lm-3-mode-white-zooming-mace-flashlight-black-1-x-18650-3-x-aaa-901301371
[17:28:20] <pcw_home> Ha!
[17:28:54] <Jymmm> pcw_home: Thought you might like that =)
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[17:35:13] <Jymmm> pcw_home: Battery Up!
http://usd.dx.com/product/e-smart-baseball-style-cree-xm-l-q5-230lm-3-mode-cold-white-flashlight-black-1-x-18650-3-x-aaa-901301904
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[17:37:08] <XXCoder> In case you wanna play baseball in nights.
[17:37:33] <Jymmm> XXCoder: ...yeah, with someone's skull
[17:37:41] <XXCoder> lol
[17:37:46] <Jymmm> (seriously)
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[17:38:13] <XXCoder> still lol
[17:38:21] <Jymmm> assuming there is some weight in the end of it
[17:38:28] <zeeshan> that actually looks good to inspect bores with
[17:38:31] <zeeshan> on the lathe
[17:38:44] <zeeshan> but it eats 4.2A so thats really not economical tusing battries
[17:39:05] <Jymmm> zeeshan: 4A on a 18650 is no biggy
[17:39:12] <Jymmm> they are rechargeable
[17:39:17] <zeeshan> yea but recharging sux
[17:39:22] <zeeshan> =[
[17:39:50] <Jymmm> I have only recharged mine 3 times in a year
[17:40:23] <XXCoder> I have old led flashlight thats on its third set of batteryu
[17:40:26] <zeeshan> dealextreme gets shipped outta china
[17:40:27] <zeeshan> rigbht
[17:40:32] <XXCoder> it's over 12 years old
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[17:41:19] <Jymmm> the links I gave are out of the US, but yes they have HK too
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[17:52:28] <Loetmichel> zeeshan: my pocket flashlight empties an 18650 in less than 40 minutes ;-)
[17:53:04] <Loetmichel> batteries are not useful tehre
[17:53:07] <Loetmichel> there
[17:55:52] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14733
[17:56:10] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14757
[17:56:12] <`Nerobro> Loetmichel, what flashlight is that?
[17:56:12] <Loetmichel> :-)
[17:56:26] <`Nerobro> Mine.. burns through an 18650 in 2 hours or so.
[17:56:37] <Loetmichel> http://www.ebay.de/itm/360817420129
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[17:56:44] <`Nerobro> aaah, I see now.
[17:57:09] <Loetmichel> its BRIGHT for its size:
[17:57:19] <`Nerobro> Yeah, mine draws 4.5 watts
[17:57:27] <`Nerobro> and puts out enough light to ride my bicycle at 18-20mph
[17:57:32] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14742
[17:57:34] <automata> has anyone worked with mesa 7i90 card?
[17:57:54] <zeeshan> Loetmichel: ROFL
[17:57:56] <zeeshan> thats a laser man
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[17:58:02] <zeeshan> you dont need that as a flash light :P
[17:58:07] <Loetmichel> first dark, second full power wide angle, third is max zoom
[17:58:25] <automata> I am trying to locate the branch that may have the hal drivers for the mesa 7i90 FPGA Card
[17:59:47] <Loetmichel> zeeshan: thats my work flashlight, always in the pocket/on the belt
[17:59:50] <Loetmichel> ;-)
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[18:04:14] <IchGuckLive> Loetmichel: is it the orig or did you mod it
[18:08:17] <Loetmichel> IchGuckLive: orig exept of the silvery part on the cap
[18:08:45] <Loetmichel> where i used the lthe to remove a corner that was extremly unnerving when desinging a belt clip for it
[18:09:49] <IchGuckLive> and the holder
[18:10:05] <IchGuckLive> to the realy growing stomeg !
[18:10:22] <Loetmichel> ?
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[18:10:29] <IchGuckLive> Gürtelclip
[18:10:59] <Loetmichel> thats made from 3mm pvc foam (called Bastelplatte) from the "baumarkt"
[18:11:19] <IchGuckLive> ok so 3D prionter work !
[18:11:28] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14754&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[18:11:34] <Loetmichel> no, cnc mill
[18:13:05] <IchGuckLive> Lot can you provide the DXf for theflashlight holder
[18:13:46] <Loetmichel> no, because i have to correct a few mistakes first
[18:13:47] <Loetmichel> ;-)
[18:14:01] <IchGuckLive> O.O
[18:14:21] <IchGuckLive> i will order one of this for catching the Chicken at night
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[18:16:57] <IchGuckLive> ok im off bye
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[18:17:46] <Loetmichel> grrr
[18:18:08] <Loetmichel> now that i made the effort to upload the dxf...
http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14829
[18:18:13] <Loetmichel> ...he quits :-(
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[18:54:57] <Jymmm> YAY! My rail light came in =)
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[19:02:02] <pcw_home> automata:
[19:02:03] <pcw_home> http://git.linuxcnc.org/gitweb?p=linuxcnc.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/hm2-7i90-3
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[19:35:18] <KreAture> weeeeeeeeeeeee!
[19:35:22] <KreAture> I got my cnc parts
[19:35:27] <KreAture> 1 month sooner than expected :)
[19:36:01] <Deejay> gn8
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[19:36:46] <KreAture> SBR20 stuff + ballnut stuff
[19:36:49] <KreAture> and rods
[19:40:55] <humble_sea_bass> the best part of this channel is that it is always christmas somewhere
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[19:51:28] <KreAture> :)
[19:51:33] * KreAture takes inventory pic
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[19:59:48] <KreAture> smoooooth
[19:59:50] <KreAture> :)
[20:00:02] <KreAture> http://kreature.org/projects/cnc/linear_kit_itm301115860502.jpg
[20:00:07] <KreAture> pic or didn't happen :)
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[20:13:01] <Connor> KreAture: So double ball screws for the gantry ? You have a design drawn up yet?
[20:15:41] <KreAture> yes
[20:15:44] <KreAture> yes
[20:15:45] <KreAture> :)
[20:15:52] <KreAture> But I am not done
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[20:16:18] <KreAture> http://kreature.org/projects/cnc/cnc2_12.png
[20:16:23] <KreAture> I may use full length legs
[20:16:31] <KreAture> and I am not done figuring out the axis yet
[20:17:07] <Connor> Oh yea. I remember that one..
[20:17:48] <KreAture> I am not done though, want to find the tightest and smoothest setup
[20:17:51] <humble_sea_bass> das a lot of 8020 mane
[20:18:31] <Connor> Yea.. I was thinking the same thing.. Got to be a better way to build that without using so much... and still have the same strength and easy of build
[20:19:00] <witnit> the 80/20 place is about 30 miles from my house
[20:19:06] <witnit> well one of them :P
[20:19:30] <witnit> they do some serious business
[20:19:35] <humble_sea_bass> don't mean you gotta go on an 8020 bender
[20:20:10] <KreAture> it is 6030 not 8040
[20:20:27] <KreAture> 60/30 fits with the mounting holes, 8040 and 8020 does not
[20:20:37] <Connor> huh?
[20:20:38] <KreAture> also, it's cheaper than alu plates here
[20:20:54] <KreAture> The rails come with the perfect holeset predrilled
[20:20:57] <KreAture> 30mm spacing
[20:21:02] <Connor> 80/20 is the company who makes the extrusion like that..
[20:21:10] <KreAture> no
[20:21:13] <Connor> comes in 1" and 1.5" profiles...
[20:21:31] <KreAture> 8020 isa profile from many suppliers 80/20 is the company
[20:21:36] <KreAture> :p
[20:21:46] <KreAture> I use 6030 from a german firm
[20:22:01] <witnit> I would expect you to be able to accomplish the same thing with using steel and then maybe overlaying it with linear bearing rails and just make backets to butt the ends it would be
[20:22:04] <witnit> cheaper
[20:22:17] <KreAture> no
[20:22:18] <KreAture> not here
[20:22:21] <KreAture> Norway
[20:23:02] <KreAture> also the sides of the gantry is muuuch stiffer in profile than in plate and I get the profiles precision cut for free
[20:23:13] <KreAture> I may use a single tilted profile though
[20:23:24] <KreAture> a single profile is much stiffer than a full size plate
[20:23:43] <KreAture> you can stiffen the plate but that doesn't look very nice and it's an additional item
[20:23:52] <KreAture> I am however looking into how to lean it down
[20:23:58] <Connor> I would use a single profile at angle vs the staggered arrangement any day..
[20:24:00] <KreAture> Oh and yes the pofiles are lighter than the plate would be too
[20:24:07] <KreAture> yeh
[20:24:17] <KreAture> only reason I have not yet is it doesn't fit with the fastener systems
[20:24:25] <KreAture> also it will not square up automatically
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[20:25:07] <witnit> choosing the correct linear bearing system would allow you use the rail as a key structural point
[20:25:17] <KreAture> yeh
[20:25:20] <witnit> or larger polished shaft rails
[20:25:35] <witnit> dual instal of one, so you can avoid twisting
[20:25:38] <witnit> and succh
[20:25:39] <KreAture> that is another thing I wondered about but I wanted to use the fully supported ones as I wanted to preload all axis
[20:26:10] <KreAture> right now the z is not preloaded
[20:26:14] <KreAture> x and y are
[20:26:56] <witnit> what materials are you cutting with this?
[20:27:11] <KreAture> I am pondering moving the Z rails to the back of the Y so they can be preloaded in same manner and offset on back of gantry
[20:27:18] <bedah> work in progress:
http://imgur.com/i9Ta2tO :D
[20:27:21] <KreAture> mostly wood and some alu (I hope)
[20:27:38] <KreAture> It's overengineered for wood but I wanted it to be rigid
[20:27:40] <KreAture> hehe
[20:27:48] <KreAture> also I got a deal on the rails
[20:28:20] <KreAture> if I use the backside for the Z I can get the Z closer to the Y and reduce the overhang
[20:28:24] <Connor> bedah: Those standoff's pass-through ?
[20:28:29] <KreAture> That drops one of the beams for the offset too
[20:28:58] <KreAture> oooh another cnc being born ?
[20:28:58] <witnit> hmm, I think 50% of your crossbeams could be relocated to the gantry for better support and less vibration in the cutting head
[20:28:59] <KreAture> :)
[20:29:22] <KreAture> waddya mean ?
[20:29:28] <zeeshan> thats a lot of aluminum
[20:29:28] <witnit> it almost seems like too much down low and not enough for as high as it goes
[20:29:29] <zeeshan> for motor mounts
[20:29:29] <bedah> pardon me, i'm not that good in english.. standoff? pass-through? these are mountings for steppers for a cheap proxon mf70 mill
[20:29:30] <zeeshan> lol
[20:29:33] <KreAture> There is lots not shown in model zeeshan
[20:29:36] <Connor> bedah: If so, not sure how well they'll do.. they could torque a bit..
[20:29:52] <zeeshan> if you have that much aluminum
[20:29:53] <zeeshan> send me some
[20:29:55] <zeeshan> i could use
[20:29:56] <zeeshan> :)
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[20:30:04] <Connor> bedah: the brass colored parts.. bolt go through them, or screw into them ?
[20:30:16] <KreAture> zeeshan the gantry is going to be boxed or a standing member fills out the room between the two flat ones
[20:30:16] <bedah> bolt goes through
[20:30:33] <bedah> needed some spacers, and i found these in a drawer
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[20:30:41] <zeeshan> KreAture: not you!
[20:30:42] <KreAture> zeeshan you can see the y leadscrew through the gap now but the gap is filled
[20:30:44] <KreAture> :)
[20:30:46] <zeeshan> bedah
[20:30:46] <zeeshan> :)
[20:30:48] <KreAture> oh
[20:30:49] <KreAture> hehe
[20:30:55] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/i9Ta2tO.jpg
[20:30:56] <witnit> those are pretty bedah but those screw heads may come loose after usag
[20:30:59] <zeeshan> ^ referring to that pic
[20:31:10] <Connor> bedah: You might want to redesign then.. make your own stand off where bolts screw into them.. less likely to twist (torque) under load from the steppers..
[20:31:27] <bedah> yes.. found this brass skrews in another drawer ;D
[20:31:31] <zeeshan> those will definitely twist
[20:31:34] <Connor> It probably will work.. just letting you know.
[20:31:41] <witnit> make small tapers for them
[20:31:43] <zeeshan> backlash fail :P
[20:31:49] <witnit> and drop in the hole :P
[20:31:51] <bedah> aluminium is quite cheap, as scrap <5EUR per kilo
[20:32:03] <zeeshan> do you have a welder?
[20:32:08] <Connor> I made my own with lathe.. drill out, and tap.
[20:32:19] <zeeshan> Connor: make me some
[20:32:19] <zeeshan> im lazy
[20:32:23] <Connor> the bolted the steppers to them.
[20:32:38] <Connor> zeeshan: It's a little 7x10 lathe.. and it's in parts right now..
[20:32:39] <bedah> http://www.proxxon.com/en/micromot/27110.php this is a really small mill
[20:32:46] <zeeshan> honestly i dont like these stand off type mounts
[20:32:49] <bedah> maximum diameter 1/8" / 3mm
[20:32:49] <witnit> oohhhh
[20:32:53] <witnit> it is very small hahah
[20:33:07] <bedah> :D
[20:33:08] <Connor> probably be okay then. :)
[20:33:18] <witnit> you could write a program to give your wife manicure with it
[20:33:24] <bedah> hehe
[20:33:30] <witnit> :P
[20:33:44] <Connor> you laugh.. My wife would love that.. program it to do nail art...
[20:33:54] <witnit> i know im genius like that
[20:33:58] <zeeshan> http://www.aliexpress.com/item-img/Free-shipping-10Pcs-Nema-17-Stepper-Motor-Mounting-L-Bracket-Mount-Step-Stepping-for-Nema17-motor/1500320374.html
[20:33:59] <zeeshan> i like these
[20:34:07] <zeeshan> =D
[20:34:08] <witnit> like the post-it note printer...
[20:34:15] <bedah> maybe i can mill some parts for a bigger cnc
[20:34:15] <witnit> omg million dollar idea
[20:34:35] <Connor> bedah: What you using this machine for? PCB milling ?
[20:34:37] <Connor> learning ?
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[20:35:08] <bedah> some aluminium, some pcbs, wood. it's for my local hackerspace
[20:35:13] <bedah> and learning
[20:35:23] <witnit> or... automated dog tag engraver via paypal/with php tag designer automated mailing attavhment and stamping, w/ video for end user to watch their dog tags being made
[20:35:37] <witnit> and sent automatically
[20:35:39] <bedah> got an old pentium4 with parallelport
[20:35:39] <witnit> :)
[20:35:42] <witnit> pro ideas
[20:37:10] <witnit> Connor you have free time, help me be a millionair with a couple of those idea
[20:37:26] <bedah> i want to mill some cases for circuits, and then i need some parts for a small robotic project. 3d printing sucks a bit.
[20:37:27] <witnit> we'll buy everyone in here mesa cards
[20:37:27] <Connor> No. I don't have free time. :(
[20:37:30] <witnit> lies
[20:37:36] <witnit> you are here, you are free
[20:37:51] <XXCoder1> lol
[20:37:55] <Connor> I'm am multi tasking.
[20:37:58] <witnit> see
[20:38:28] <XXCoder1> wonder how expensive that tiny cnc is
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[20:40:10] <bedah> the mill: 250EUR
[20:40:24] <XXCoder1> interesting
[20:40:43] <XXCoder1> $500 roughly
[20:40:44] <Connor> XXCoder1: but, it's not CNC.
[20:40:50] <bedah> modified as cnc: double
[20:40:52] <witnit> why arent we mass producing micro mills and lathes
[20:40:58] <XXCoder1> oh
[20:41:20] <bedah> www.ebay.de/itm/271448882694 for example
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[20:54:06] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/Oi6baNi.jpg
[20:54:20] <zeeshan> im starting to load up all my alumnum solid/offcuts in one area
[20:54:27] <zeeshan> much more organized than having it lay all over the floor
[20:55:12] <XXCoder1> aw no more floor mess? heh
[20:55:24] <zeeshan> tired of floor mess !
[20:55:46] <zeeshan> archivist alive?
[20:55:47] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/kE75jYJ.jpg
[20:55:51] <zeeshan> ever use this type of depth gauge?
[20:55:53] <zeeshan> brown & sharp
[20:56:15] <zeeshan> didnt come with multiple rods, but i've noticed that the one rod it does come with has index marks every 1"
[20:56:24] <zeeshan> you loosen the top screw and you can move the rod in/out
[20:56:43] <zeeshan> are you supposed to calibrate it every time using a surface plate and gauge blocks to make use of it?
[20:57:12] <zeeshan> i like this better than the starrett model i have because the rod is much smaller
[20:57:16] <zeeshan> you can actually fit it in o-ring grooves
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[20:57:40] <zeeshan> also, anyone know what th eheck these 2 things are
[20:57:41] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/ZzzhCCE.jpg
[20:58:04] <zeeshan> the long slender one says starrett. i thought it was some sort of scriber, but i dont see a pointy tip
[20:58:23] <zeeshan> and the fat round one is a brown and sharpe, can't tell what it is.. maybe a center punch?
[20:58:30] <zeeshan> shrug.
[20:59:16] <witnit> they put out a few things similar to those which were made to hold onto a radius gauge
[20:59:34] <witnit> so you could have your gauge on a stick for tight spots
[20:59:36] <zeeshan> hm i have a radius gauge set which uses a different type
[20:59:48] <witnit> maybe it has a similar purpose
[21:00:03] <zeeshan> i feel like you can unscrew the cap
[21:00:05] <zeeshan> but they're REALLY tight
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[21:00:14] <zeeshan> before i go yanking on it, i wanna make sure it is what it is
[21:00:19] <witnit> whats are the numbers on it?
[21:00:23] <zeeshan> i can feel something rattling inside the thing
[21:00:29] <zeeshan> unfortunately, both dont have numbers on em
[21:00:46] <zeeshan> none that i can see at least
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[21:10:26] <witnit> zeeshan
[21:10:36] <witnit> is there a hole in the cone of the fat one?
[21:10:40] <zeeshan> yes
[21:10:48] <witnit> put a small screwdriver there
[21:10:54] <witnit> and push in
[21:10:55] <witnit> hard
[21:11:00] <witnit> and see if it pops
[21:11:07] <witnit> I think thats a spring punch
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[21:11:25] <zeeshan> okay ill try it out
[21:11:37] <witnit> you used a spring punch before?
[21:11:41] <zeeshan> yes
[21:11:45] <zeeshan> i have one import one
[21:11:45] <witnit> :) they are great
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[21:25:06] <Swapper_> anyone have any ideas on how to control a +-10v servo as a spindle drive? cant find any examples where anyone have done it.
[21:26:22] <cradek> Swapper_: can you ask a more specific question? there's nothing unusual or difficult about that setup so it's hard to guess what help you need.
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[21:26:35] <witnit> so like dc brush analog w/ tach feedback or what?
[21:26:39] <Swapper_> how do i handle the reversal of the spindle to send negative values ?
[21:26:48] <witnit> negative voltage
[21:27:02] <cradek> does your spindle go backward with negative and forward with positive input?
[21:27:11] <Swapper_> i can select whatever
[21:27:15] <Swapper_> in the drive
[21:27:30] <cradek> the spindle speed output from hal is just like that - you can simply hook it up
[21:28:37] <witnit> so the drive uses +/- 10v just output a scale of 0 no motion +1v clockwise 10% or say -5v is 50% counterclockwise
[21:28:45] <Swapper_> hum ok thaught that but i only got negative values when i tryed
[21:29:01] <cradek> maybe say more about what you tried?
[21:29:06] <witnit> what were you trying to do?
[21:29:09] <witnit> haha cradek
[21:29:11] <Swapper_> witnit: yea its comon on servoamps, all the axis run like this
[21:29:49] <Swapper_> ultimatley i want to attatch a pid to the spindle motor so i can get closed loop control over it
[21:29:52] <Swapper_> from linuxcnc
[21:30:06] <Swapper_> and after that get synced motion with the spindle running
[21:30:17] <Swapper_> but im lost at hal... :)
[21:31:14] <Swapper_> i got the other axies running and they are +-10v controlled (mesa 7i77) but the spindle dont seem to be configurable in pncconf as +-10v
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[21:31:42] <cradek> you may have to stop using pncconf now that you have your basic setup working
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[21:31:54] <Swapper_> yea i figured that
[21:31:55] <cradek> it's unlikely it will do absolutely everything you need
[21:32:23] <Swapper_> but then i had to ask if anyone had any good .hal examples for a +-10v spindle drive
[21:32:25] <cradek> if your drive is already velocity mode, I don't recommend using pid for speed control
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[21:32:41] <WalterN> hmm
[21:32:59] <Swapper_> can i do syncronized moves without pid on the spindle ?
[21:33:05] <cradek> hook up motion.spindle-speed-out to your dac, scale it so it's about right, done
[21:33:08] <Swapper_> maybe the other axises syncs to it
[21:33:11] <cradek> yes absolutely
[21:33:17] <cradek> you need encoder feedback
[21:33:17] <Swapper_> ahh ok
[21:33:32] <Swapper_> yea i have the servo encoder hooked up
[21:33:39] <WalterN> what was that website that sold a nice little collection of cheap automation related stuff (ball screws, linear bearings, servos, steppers, drivers...)?
[21:33:55] <Swapper_> ebay.com ? :)
[21:34:28] <cradek> check out the motion man page:
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/motion.9.html
[21:34:43] <cradek> it talks about all the available hookups you might want to use
[21:35:13] <Swapper_> yea i tried understanding that...
[21:35:32] <cradek> have questions?
[21:35:42] * WalterN pokes CaptHindsight
[21:35:43] <Swapper_> whats the output for velocity called ?
[21:36:29] <cradek> find the one that says OUT and talks about spindle speed
[21:36:37] <cradek> there are actually two choices
[21:36:45] <Swapper_> net spindle-vel-cmd => hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.1.analogout5
[21:36:45] <Swapper_> net machine-is-enabled => hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.1.spinena
[21:36:46] <Swapper_> net machine-is-enabled => hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.1.spinena
[21:38:11] <Swapper_> http://pastebin.com/0SiuH5eW
[21:39:49] <cradek> looks plausible
[21:42:04] <Swapper_> its only sending -10v so it always goes the wrong direction
[21:43:09] <witnit> both pin 20 and 24 on TB5 = -v?
[21:43:42] <witnit> which is drive 5 section of the 7i77
[21:44:41] <Swapper_> 20 is AOUT3
[21:44:46] <Swapper_> 24 is AOUT5
[21:44:59] <witnit> right
[21:45:11] <Swapper_> using 5 since it should have a individualy controlled enable pin
[21:45:13] <witnit> 24 I suppose send -v no matter the direction chosen right?
[21:45:25] <Swapper_> yea
[21:45:27] <Swapper_> exacly
[21:45:33] <witnit> I recally this issue
[21:45:43] <witnit> lemme try to see what I did
[21:45:58] <Swapper_> exelent if you cloud
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[21:46:14] <Swapper_> could
[21:48:48] <witnit> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/examples/spindle.html
[21:48:53] <witnit> see the pwm options
[21:49:02] <witnit> in section two
[21:49:09] <witnit> compare to the section one
[21:49:17] <witnit> and see which you are trying to use
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[21:52:49] <Swapper_> what i have does not look like tha t
[21:53:00] <witnit> well you should be using a pwm
[21:53:01] <Swapper_> seems like the hostmot drive have scaling ?=
[21:53:21] <witnit> like?
[21:53:24] <witnit> # Attach the pid to the scale, motion, and sum
[21:53:24] <witnit> net pid_feedback pid.0.feedback <= motion.spindle-speed-in <= scale.0.out
[21:53:24] <witnit> net pid_command pid.0.command <= motion.spindle-speed-out => sum2.0.in0
[21:53:24] <witnit> net pid_output pid.0.output => sum2.0.in1
[21:53:40] <Swapper_> loadrt hm2_pci config=" num_encoders=5 num_pwmgens=0 num_3pwmgens=0 num_stepgens=0 sserial_port_0=000xxxxx "
[21:53:48] <Swapper_> pwmgens=0
[21:56:08] <witnit> loadrt hm2_pci config="num_encoders=6 num_pwmgens=6 sserial_port_0=0XXX"
[21:56:19] <witnit> shouldnt it be like that or something?
[21:56:30] <Swapper_> no no dont have any pwm stepgens
[21:56:37] <Swapper_> only analog out
[21:56:44] <witnit> right being the 7i777
[21:56:48] <Swapper_> yea
[21:57:01] <witnit> but your just basically using another pwm and calling it a spindle instead of axis
[21:57:10] <witnit> but I think it MUST be on drive 5
[21:57:48] <witnit> this was well over a year ago :/ some of these guys would have you at the right documentation in 2 minutes
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[21:58:09] <witnit> if I had my .hal here I would just send it
[21:58:17] <witnit> but its at the shop
[21:58:46] <Swapper_> hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.1.analogout5 found the out pin
[21:59:01] <Swapper_> its connected to spindle-vel-cmd
[22:01:06] <Swapper_> weerd, when i command S300 the hm2_5i25.0.7i77.0.1.analogout5 gets a value of 300
[22:01:20] <Swapper_> feels like the scaling is off
[22:01:44] <Swapper_> but it is changing to negative as you said when i reverse
[22:02:36] <witnit> can you paste your full hal
[22:02:49] <Swapper_> shure
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[22:05:09] <Swapper_> http://pastebin.com/HAsKc25f
[22:05:15] <Swapper_> the inifile is at the botom
[22:05:25] <Swapper_> so both files in same
[22:05:53] <Swapper_> i added MIN_OUTPUT = -10.0 so thats no use in the ini
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[22:11:42] <witnit> you have someduplicate lines around 224
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[22:12:09] <witnit> it seems like the enableamp is outputting to the pin instead of the actual scaled signal
[22:13:03] <witnit> I dont know enough about it anymore to say what to fix but im pretty sure its not getting the scaled values as a pwm
[22:14:17] <witnit> compare your two sections # ---PWM Generator signals/setup---
[22:14:17] <witnit>
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[22:14:30] <witnit> for any axis vs your # ---PWM Generator signals/setup---
[22:14:30] <witnit> for the spindle
[22:14:44] <Swapper_> yea
[22:14:46] <Swapper_> will do that
[22:14:50] <XXCoder1> playing with cncsimulator. pretty cool, that.
[22:14:56] <Swapper_> i can now see the output value and its wrong
[22:15:03] <Swapper_> thank you a bunch!
[22:15:08] <witnit> I hope it works!
[22:15:16] <Swapper_> ill get there eventualy :)
[22:15:35] <witnit> yeah it was a long road for me and I dont even know what all I did but it works haahah
[22:15:57] <Swapper_> hehe im glad i got anyting moving )
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[23:08:09] <XXCoder1> hey
[23:08:26] <R2E4> hey
[23:11:58] <WalterN> hey
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[23:14:34] <R2E4> cncbasher around?
[23:14:35] KreAture is now known as KreAture_Zzz
[23:15:50] * KreAture_Zzz need to finalize his cnc design
[23:15:55] <KreAture_Zzz> rails came 1 month early
[23:16:02] <KreAture_Zzz> now suddently I can build!
[23:16:07] <KreAture_Zzz> http://kreature.org/projects/cnc/linear_kit_itm301115860502.jpg
[23:16:07] <XXCoder1> awesom
[23:16:10] <KreAture_Zzz> love the kit
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[23:16:26] <KreAture_Zzz> maybe not ideal with only sbr's but I think it will be good
[23:16:32] <XXCoder1> whats sizes? I guess its 300 900 1200
[23:16:33] <XXCoder1> mm
[23:16:35] <KreAture_Zzz> just need to utilize em well and preload all
[23:16:44] <KreAture_Zzz> 1000x700x300
[23:16:51] <XXCoder1> cool
[23:16:54] <KreAture_Zzz> no wait
[23:16:58] <KreAture_Zzz> 1100x700x300
[23:17:03] <KreAture_Zzz> I remember now
[23:17:03] <KreAture_Zzz> hehe
[23:17:06] <XXCoder1> lol ok
[23:17:19] <XXCoder1> how much was it if you dont mind?
[23:17:29] <KreAture_Zzz> I got em to set up a custom ebay
[23:17:34] <KreAture_Zzz> http://www.ebay.com/itm/301115860502
[23:17:40] <KreAture_Zzz> Really happy with the shipping
[23:17:42] <KreAture_Zzz> faster than expectedf
[23:17:46] <KreAture_Zzz> and I am in NOrway
[23:17:46] <KreAture_Zzz> hehe
[23:17:56] <XXCoder1> lol ok
[23:17:58] <KreAture_Zzz> Got package today
[23:18:34] <KreAture_Zzz> I paid 6'th march
[23:18:41] <XXCoder1> :) cant wait to start buying actual physical parts lol
[23:19:04] <KreAture_Zzz> I have been planning based on the rail dimensions
[23:19:38] <KreAture_Zzz> aka, hole distance is 30mm, predrilled, so I will be using 60x30 profile that will allow me to use the t slots for mounting
[23:19:59] <XXCoder1> nice!
[23:20:07] <XXCoder1> if I had more money I'd have went for 8020 also
[23:20:18] <XXCoder1> right now I'll just use scrap wood and stuff lol
[23:20:23] <KreAture_Zzz> Not happy yet though, trying to use profiles as much as possible as I get those precut for free and precision ground
[23:20:33] <XXCoder1> I gopt lucky and found high quality lamated wood in trash
[23:20:41] <KreAture_Zzz> my curent plan:
http://kreature.org/projects/cnc/cnc2_12.png
[23:21:05] <XXCoder1> hmm one of rails is upside down isnt that bad
[23:21:25] <KreAture_Zzz> not when preloaded
[23:21:39] <XXCoder1> ok. definitely need to learn about that.
[23:21:40] <KreAture_Zzz> The plan is to "clamp down" by boxing the designs
[23:21:56] <KreAture_Zzz> That should allow rails to work with minimum slop and max smoothness
[23:22:06] <KreAture_Zzz> I do the same on the sides of the table
[23:22:34] <KreAture_Zzz> The gantry clamps to preload the guides
[23:23:14] <KreAture_Zzz> Bed will need to be a tad longer though, or travel will be limited by legs
[23:23:22] <KreAture_Zzz> hehe
[23:23:30] <XXCoder1> makes sense
[23:25:52] * KreAture_Zzz sleeps on it
[23:27:15] <XXCoder1> heh
[23:27:21] <XXCoder1> make cnc large enough to make bed
[23:27:25] <XXCoder1> and BE a bed lol
[23:28:37] <R2E4> Anyone have a post for Aspire with toolchanger?
[23:33:26] <XXCoder1> heh my kerbial ship is finally orbiting and lanbding in kerbin. those kerbians havent seen their homeworld for uyear
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[23:41:57] <XXCoder1> KreAture_Zzz: whats you use to make those pics
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