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[00:04:32] <R2E4_> evenin y'all
[00:04:40] <witnit> evening :)
[00:05:44] <witnit> anyone have a customized 7I77 .hal I can have? Im checking to see how my schematic builder handles different config files
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[00:07:11] <R2E4_> I started with pncconf, but built fromthere and most of my stuff is in custom.hal
[00:07:23] <witnit> perfect
[00:07:32] <R2E4_> my machineis allmost done.
[00:07:45] <witnit> thats what I assume most people do and I want to see how my parsing handles such editing
[00:07:48] <R2E4_> you want both hal files?
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[00:07:52] <witnit> if you could
[00:08:12] <Tom_itx> R2 git your pypvc workin?
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[00:08:33] <R2E4_> yeah, I was cursing you though.
[00:08:38] <Tom_itx> how come?
[00:08:42] <Tom_itx> don't do that...
[00:09:04] <R2E4_> because I cant read.... I was trying and looking and I swore It was the same.
[00:09:23] <witnit> you remember how much of a pain in the wiring was on that card for things like encoders? 8 pin plugs labeled from 24-1 top down on the card when held left to rigth and then the manual its labeled 1-24 top down
[00:09:33] <R2E4_> haha, I got it working. Thanks
[00:09:41] <Tom_itx> all the same?
[00:09:49] <Tom_itx> the timers?
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[00:10:17] <R2E4_> Yeah, everything is working except the tools
[00:10:55] <R2E4_> I ammanually changing until I get my aTC done. ThenI'll worry about it. Thanks again Tom.
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[00:13:47] <R2E4_> witnit:
http://irmtl.com/vm40/configs/
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[00:14:45] <witnit> perfect
[00:15:10] <witnit> I will be an hour or two but I will try to get some of the mapping done
[00:18:44] <R2E4_> working on figuring outhow to setup my way lube injections.
[00:20:00] <R2E4_> Tom, Did you go the subroutine route to move the Z up first? Is that the reason?
[00:23:07] <Tom_itx> yes
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[00:31:54] <R2E4_> I tried getting M100 to run and it couldnt findit. M100 reloaded the file.
[00:32:28] <R2E4_> I put the path for mcode in the ini. I will revisit that also.
[00:35:18] <R2E4_> Theres a good write up on the wiki for iocontrol.lube with classic ladder.
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[00:39:30] <PetefromTn_> evening all
[00:40:00] <witnit> I would base lube injections off of a file of "distance traveled" axis0+axis1=variable, WHEN variable reaches 500 Delete variable AND do lube injections"
[00:40:04] <witnit> maybe?
[00:40:08] <witnit> halllo
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[00:51:55] <witnit> R2E4: after seeing your configs now im planning to reconstruct my whole program to determine card types and automatically build individual schematics for each, Ill get back with you on these =D
[00:52:16] <R2E4_> Yeah, Like I was able to do that...... lol
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[00:52:48] <witnit> have you done any schematics of the system yet?
[00:52:59] <witnit> ins/outs at the cards i mean
[00:53:40] <R2E4_> I have them I/O on a s[preadsheet.
[00:53:48] <witnit> great
[00:54:18] <witnit> my final idea is to automatically pop them into an sql database and then back into a spreadsheet or php
[00:54:47] <witnit> so they can be plucked at will and updated remotely
[00:55:35] <witnit> if you wanted to run your config through an online tool it would produce all the schematics for the coresponding cards
[00:55:58] <witnit> I think doing mesa and parallel will be enough for me
[00:56:03] <R2E4_> haha, thats cool.
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[01:14:18] <Tom_itx> haha. i just wrote a program to make master keys ( first key ) for locks
[01:14:31] <Tom_itx> generally done with skill and a file
[01:15:12] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: what about progression?
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[01:20:04] <Tom_itx> file
[01:20:13] <Tom_itx> unless i decide to ball mill it later
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[01:20:47] <Tom_itx> my main concern was to get the correct tumbler depths
[01:21:00] <Tom_itx> there's not much left to clean up after that
[01:22:36] <PetefromTn> We got some serious wind over here tonight ....kinda spooky
[01:23:04] <XXCoder1> whats you area land like? if you get lots wind you should build wind power lol
[01:23:06] <R2E4_> I just ask at head office andthey set me upp. I work at Ingersoll rand/Schlage....lol
[01:23:42] <PetefromTn> Kinda hilly but we don't get any sorta consistent wind really.
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[01:24:03] <R2E4_> Theres hill in Texas?
[01:24:16] <PetefromTn> R2e4 can you get discount on IR facemills LOL..
[01:24:37] <PetefromTn> I'm not IN Texas...
[01:25:21] <PetefromTn> Otherwise it would be PetefromTx LOL....
[01:25:40] <XXCoder1> tenn
[01:25:58] <PetefromTn> Yup for now anyways ....
[01:26:23] <R2E4_> huh? We make facemills?
[01:26:34] <PetefromTn> Yeah man
[01:26:53] <PetefromTn> We got a few at work..
[01:27:14] <PetefromTn> At least they say Ingersol on them...
[01:27:28] <R2E4_> Thats Ingersol not Ingersol Rand
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[01:27:55] <PetefromTn> Are you sure I will check tomorrow.
[01:28:35] <R2E4_> I'm pretty sure. We do compressors, valves air and hydraulic, hoists\
[01:30:11] <PetefromTn> Okay.
[01:32:56] <R2E4_> Cycle timers working, G54 buttons working as expected.
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[01:33:33] <R2E4_> Gots to figure out someting to cut now....hehe
[01:34:49] <PetefromTn> Maybe this weekend you can walk me thru adding the cycle timers to my setup. I'd like to have those as well.
[01:35:27] <R2E4_> yeah, no proble
[01:35:33] <R2E4_> no problem.
[01:36:23] <PetefromTn> I dunno if I mentioned to you about the Haas Operator coordinate system.
[01:36:32] <R2E4_> Doyou have a pyvcp panelnext to axis?
[01:36:52] <R2E4_> You started, but I didnt really understand
[01:37:25] <PetefromTn> Basically it is a setup of dro's for each axis that you can zero or setup anywhere for location picked up or measurements
[01:37:54] <R2E4_> offsets.
[01:38:20] <PetefromTn> Yeah I have a vcp panel already it has my spindle speed and load meters as well as my MPG axis selection buttons and other stuff.
[01:38:43] <R2E4_> You using the round meter like Tom's?
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[01:39:58] <PetefromTn> But yeah this setup of operator coordinate system does nothing more than allow you to pick up your workpiece or jog Tooling around to touch off stuff without having to set G54 or whatever all the time. It is really nice to use .
[01:40:31] <PetefromTn> No I went with the horizontal bars due to space concerns.
[01:41:12] <PetefromTn> Although I understand you can shrink or enlarge the dials if you want.
[01:41:27] <NickParker> Good news, I finally have all my fpga stuff doing just what I want. stepgens and the spindle pwmgen are both working as I would expect.
[01:41:48] <PetefromTn> Congrats Nick..
[01:42:32] <R2E4_> Cool Nick.
[01:43:01] <R2E4_> PetefromTn: Do you have a way lube system?
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[01:44:19] <PetefromTn> Actually no my machine is entirely linear guidewayz and they run on grease. The mill has a bunch of Sitkavg fittings everywhere I just give em a squirt every now and then.
[01:44:39] <PetefromTn> Zirk fitting
[01:46:18] <PetefromTn> Anyway I wonder how hard it would be to add threw dros to the vcp or something that would work with the MPG or manual feed buttons and could be zeroed without having an offset actually zeroed.....
[01:46:36] <PetefromTn> Three DRO's
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[01:47:19] <PetefromTn> It is amazing how much we use this feature on the Haas mills...
[01:47:44] <R2E4_> Why dont you want to use the offsets?
[01:48:01] <R2E4_> I dont see the usefuillness of that.
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[01:48:22] <jdh> make a panel that displays current x/y/z + (your zero'ed offset)
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[01:49:22] <PetefromTn> You do use the offsets but you gotta keep setting and resetting for simple measurements whereas this op control setup you can do all that to get your position and then just set your offsets. I suppose it is harder to describe then to actually use...
[01:51:27] <R2E4_> so you use it temp, re: you wanna see the distance from this edge to that, ?
[01:51:30] <PetefromTn> Its like that OP drop works with machine movement but can be zeroed anywhere quickly with an origin button and you use it for say edgefinding and then center finding once you get where you want to be then you switch to normal offset setting.
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[01:52:21] <R2E4_> What dothey call it on the HAAS?
[01:52:29] <jdh> so, it's just another set of offsets?
[01:52:33] <PetefromTn> Operator coordinates...
[01:52:51] <PetefromTn> No actually it is not an offset.
[01:53:15] <humble_sea_bass> operator coords ignore offsets
[01:53:36] <PetefromTn> It is just a drop that moves with the machine movements but can be zeroed anywhere without affecting actual offfsets.
[01:53:51] <humble_sea_bass> wha'ts it do to the program
[01:53:54] <PetefromTn> DRO
[01:54:00] <jdh> coordinates displayed (Operator, Work, Machine, or Distance to Go)
[01:54:24] <PetefromTn> Yup you can switch quickly thru them all.
[01:54:56] <PetefromTn> It does nothing to the program just makes it easier to measure and find positons.
[01:55:02] <R2E4_> Everything ref from hpome is offsets, no?
[01:55:56] <PetefromTn> You cannot run a program in it nor can you do an MDI in it except for turning on the spindle or coolant.
[01:57:01] <PetefromTn> It does work in hand jog mode tho and we often use it for manual milling like facing off stuff or drilling a quick hole etc..
[01:57:49] <humble_sea_bass> in git er done mode
[01:58:04] <PetefromTn> For instance lets say you wanna face off a part you already set an offset for.
[01:58:52] <jdh> like a automatic scratchpad
[01:59:15] <R2E4_> We could add a tab in Axis for this.
[01:59:31] <PetefromTn> You can switch to operator coordinates and hit hand jog and select your z axis. Select MPG setting and handwheel it using the operator coordinates to touch off the facemill without losing your G54 already set.
[02:00:20] <R2E4_> With a textbox to write notes on.
[02:00:56] <PetefromTn> Then make a pass... measuere...set zero on the operator coordinates and then lower your z from there without having to subtract the main dro information.
[02:02:07] <PetefromTn> It just makes it possible to move around accurately and freely without having to touch off your work coordinates system all the time.
[02:03:11] <PetefromTn> I wish I could show you what I mean on a Haas machine but I am trying to explain it as Best I can.
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[02:04:11] <humble_sea_bass> the best analogy would be a cad construction line
[02:04:41] <PetefromTn> Kinda like a construction line but it is a coordinate system that you use similarly.
[02:05:16] <humble_sea_bass> well a construction line is a 1-d coordinate, so scale to 3d and there we are
[02:05:20] <PetefromTn> Just has nothing to do with actual program offsets or program commanded movement
[02:06:04] <humble_sea_bass> i wasn't paying attention at the beginningm, when you said DRO i wised up
[02:06:28] <PetefromTn> In use it is nothing more than an additional page with dro's for each axis and an origin or zero button for whatever axis is selected.
[02:07:48] <PetefromTn> They work with manual movement or MPG only and you use mdi to control the spindle or the manual spindle buttons on axis manual tab.
[02:09:36] <PetefromTn> Lotsa folks lament the Haas machines for being light duty but most people will tell you it is one of the easiest controls to use and IMHO this feature is a major reason why..
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[02:13:24] <PetefromTn> Well past my bedtime
[02:13:30] <Tom_itx> aww
[02:13:54] <PetefromTn> Why ya gonna miss me Tom LOL.
[02:14:14] <Tom_itx> the night is young
[02:14:18] <humble_sea_bass> tell us another story about other coordinates from a land far far away
[02:15:21] <PetefromTn> Just a suggestion man don't need to take me seriously just opining on what I like about the Machines we have at work..
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[02:15:56] <humble_sea_bass> it is an actual common sense thing to offer though
[02:16:07] <PetefromTn> There are actually features i like about linuxcnc better as well.
[02:16:34] <jdh> I think that could be implemented pretty easily. By someone.
[02:16:40] <humble_sea_bass> I don't draw a damn thing without changing coordinate systems so my brain doesn't explode, why shouldn't the control offer the same
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[02:16:51] <PetefromTn> The graphical representation in linuxcnc is way head of has
[02:17:17] <PetefromTn> Jhaas
[02:17:21] <Tom_itx> crap
[02:17:29] <PetefromTn> HAAS dammit.
[02:17:33] <Tom_itx> looks like my free web hosting is coming to an end
[02:17:48] <humble_sea_bass> AWS trial ending?
[02:18:00] <Tom_itx> i've had it for quite a few years
[02:18:32] <R2E4_> Pete, I have a friend that has a HAAS VF-2
[02:18:37] <R2E4_> I'll ask him about it.
[02:19:00] <PetefromTn> Honestly the only reason I brought it up was because I AGREE with jdh there it does seem like it would be a pretty easy thing to implement.
[02:19:07] <Tom_itx> malware is now attacking linksys routers
[02:19:41] <humble_sea_bass> stock firmware or with ddwrt etc
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[02:20:15] <jdh> if my sim-in-vm worked, I'd try it here.
[02:20:17] <Tom_L> http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/02/bizarre-attack-infects-linksys-routers-with-self-replicating-malware/
[02:20:18] <PetefromTn> Yeah ask him about it and I am sure others perception of it will br differeint but basically it works with hand jog or mdi mode...
[02:21:07] <Tom_L> http://www.scmagazineuk.com/new-malware-component-changes-routers-dns-settings-remotely/article/341129/
[02:21:59] <PetefromTn> What's sim in vm?
[02:22:26] <jdh> I had linuxcnc sim mode running in virtual-box VM
[02:22:43] <PetefromTn> Oh okay.
[02:22:47] <jdh> I only have windows inside at the moment.
[02:23:57] <PetefromTn> Like I said just a set of xyz dros that can be zeroed anywhere and you are there basically as long as you can use the MPG or manual jog buttons.
[02:24:56] <PetefromTn> And the zeroing does not affect anything but these dro positions.
[02:25:29] <zeeshan|2> hi friends
[02:25:43] <PetefromTn> Hey zeeshan
[02:26:16] <zeeshan|2> steam engine runs
[02:26:17] <zeeshan|2> kind of
[02:26:24] <zeeshan|2> something wrong with the timing
[02:26:26] <zeeshan|2> but its getting there!
[02:26:30] <zeeshan|2> trying to upload some video
[02:27:19] <PetefromTn> Cool Congrats. Gotta get to bed
[02:27:32] <PetefromTn> Night all.
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[02:32:46] <XXCoder1> thats cool
http://cheezburger.com/4553940480
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[02:46:08] <witnit> R2E4_: when you are accessing your 7I84 is it positioned with the serial cable north south east or west?
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[03:07:18] <pcw_home> well got snake bit this afternoon, not something that happens on a regular basis
[03:07:28] <jdh> wow
[03:07:32] <jdh> everything ok?
[03:08:19] <pcw_home> no problem at all, freaked out my wife though (Gopher snake)
[03:11:33] <pcw_home> when we went out for lunch it was crossing the (fairly busy) street in front of our business so
[03:11:35] <pcw_home> I stopped the car and grabbed it so it would not get run over but grabbed a little too far behind the neck :-(
[03:12:19] <R2E4_> ouch
[03:12:36] <pcw_home> not much worse than a garter snake (tiny teeth)
[03:13:44] <R2E4_> Did he leavehisteeth in you?
[03:15:02] <pcw_home> Nope just a minor scratch
[03:15:48] <pcw_home> When I was a kid I caught snakes and lizards all the time and was always getting bitten
[03:16:19] <jdh> we went snake hunting once. Found one, quit looking after that.
[03:16:26] <witnit> hahaha
[03:16:27] <pcw_home> there are rattlers around in the hills here but pretty rare
[03:16:39] <witnit> I had sod brought it once
[03:16:56] <witnit> I think it came from out of state because im waay north and it rattled
[03:17:30] <witnit> it got the saw the box in half magic trick
[03:17:33] <witnit> without the box
[03:17:37] <witnit> and the magic
[03:18:22] <witnit> I guess I had a shovel too and no saw
[03:19:15] <pcw_home> a lot of the snakes that were common here as a kid are endangered
[03:20:26] <R2E4_> We had moccasins in florida in some of the lakes.
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[03:21:56] <zeeshan|2> sometimes you need to let nature be
[03:21:56] <jdh> we had them in tennessee in the creeks and ponds
[03:22:00] <zeeshan|2> and let it get run over :P
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[09:31:17] <gkwhc> Hey everyone, this is the closest channel I could find...I was wondering if desktop laser cutters can (i believe the word is "mill"?) so that the edge of a thin wood piece is like
http://www.joewoodworker.com/veneering/images/edgebanding5.jpg ?
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[10:48:19] <GuShH_> Are Danfoss VFDs worth buying?
[10:52:53] <GuShH_> http://www.danfoss.com/businessareas/drivessolutions/frequency+converters/vlt+micro+drive.htm
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[11:00:08] <TekniQue> GuShH_: everything else that Danfoss makes is decent, I'd bet the VFDs are too
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[11:24:03] <GuShH_> TekniQue: good point!
[11:24:57] <GuShH_> Too bad this motor has a centrifugal switch with a start winding, I guess I'll have to change it if I want VFD goodness.
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[11:42:00] <TekniQue> GuShH_: that's an odd one!
[11:42:15] <TekniQue> I've never used a single phase VFD
[11:42:33] <TekniQue> so I couldn't tell
[11:42:39] <TekniQue> it might be okay
[11:42:56] <TekniQue> because the VFD reduces the voltage as the frequency goes down
[11:45:29] <archivist> GuShH_, that motor is single phase, vfd's are three phase
[11:48:07] <archivist> is it worth doing...hell yeah
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[11:48:43] <TekniQue> VFDs rule
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[11:56:02] <GuShH_> archivist: hence "I guess I'll have to change it"
[11:56:11] <GuShH_> :P
[11:56:59] <GuShH_> hmm on a maybe unrelated note... is there a term for the american style of wooden construction?
[11:57:21] <archivist> a bodge
[11:57:23] <GuShH_> light frame construction?
[11:57:35] <GuShH_> just looking into ways to build a shop on the cheap
[11:57:44] <GuShH_> concrete slab and wood...
[11:58:02] <skunkworks> stick frame construction?
[11:58:12] <archivist> first look at your local building regulations if any
[11:58:34] <GuShH_> I have emailed them, no response so far
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[11:59:30] <GuShH_> their site sucks, as usual.
[11:59:58] <GuShH_> but why is it OK to buy one of those prefab sheds from homedepot and not OK to build one out of wood?
[12:00:52] <GuShH_> size wise, you could stack those sheds lengthwise... I mean clearly there's something wrong with either my or their reasoning.
[12:00:55] <archivist> insulation? wind resistance etc
[12:01:11] <GuShH_> no, but you don't have to declare for tax the one you bought at home depot
[12:01:20] <GuShH_> why would you have to declare a wooden one.
[12:02:07] <GuShH_> clearly they argue "because a garden shed requires no electricity, heating or running water" to which I answer bullshit, most sheds I've seen have electricity.
[12:02:07] <archivist> planning and tax are very localised I think
[12:02:42] <GuShH_> well my grandpa built his shop and never paid taxes on it ... for the 50 plus years it stood.
[12:03:21] <GuShH_> I'd be very annoyed if they bothered me with that, because a lot of people have massive amounts of "covered" square feet that isn't being taxed.
[12:03:51] * GuShH_ wonders if they're taxing chicken coops now as well
[12:04:01] <GuShH_> and do they make them pay with eggs or hens...
[12:04:21] <GuShH_> archivist: not a big fan of american style construction?
[12:04:48] <Tom_itx> under a certain sq ft they aren't taxed
[12:04:53] <Tom_itx> i forget the size
[12:04:58] <archivist> a puff of wind and they fall down
[12:05:07] <GuShH_> sure, but what about stacking those garden sheds (just an example, I wouldn't buy them... no use)
[12:05:23] <GuShH_> plus I need a concrete slab
[12:06:29] <archivist> over here we have building regulations, planning that has to be applied for and tax dependent on use
[12:06:34] <GuShH_> I was hoping for 60 square meters (645 sqft) which will obviously be frowned upon and heavily taxed
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[12:06:50] <GuShH_> but to me it's not a building you can live in
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[12:06:57] <GuShH_> it's a "utility shed"
[12:07:18] <GuShH_> and sure we have regulations, but who's following them.
[12:07:46] <GuShH_> for actual construction work tax applies in so many different ways you'll probably want to murder someone if you saw the forms you have to fill in.
[12:08:40] <GuShH_> what type of material is being used for the floor, roof, what type of kitchen sink does the kitchen have, what material and size (I kid you not) how many bathrooms, what type of finish on the walls, etc, etc.
[12:09:34] <GuShH_> they tax us for swimming pools as well as "semi covered" areas
[12:10:18] <GuShH_> you get taxed less for a concrete floor, vs fancy marble or tiles... likewise with all finishes, trims, everything.
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[12:15:44] <GuShH_> anyway they survey the plots using aerophotogrammetry... aka aerial survey. otoh I'm not sure if this is done through IR or just visible spectrum
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[12:19:21] <jthornton> http://www.cunninghamcovers.co.uk/cover-stories/mesh-building-wrap/
[12:19:45] <GuShH_> archivist: the area is so dense with foliage I would think IR would be the option to detect something like this, or maybe radar?
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[12:20:38] <GuShH_> likewise what about shipping containers... who's going to tax that and under what pretext?
[12:20:52] <archivist> jthornton, that printing has been going on for a number of years, usually used for adverts
[12:21:07] <GuShH_> jthornton: haha
[12:21:25] <archivist> look for temporary structure regs
[12:22:06] <GuShH_> can't find any
[12:22:07] <archivist> containers often sneak in as temporary
[12:22:09] <GuShH_> also nothing about sheds or such
[12:22:21] <GuShH_> their site is rubbish
[12:22:44] <GuShH_> they don't answer the phones but they are very agressive on getting their tax money...
[12:22:56] <GuShH_> well "their" ... thieves.
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[15:27:52] <zeeshan> wow
[15:27:55] <zeeshan> its dead in here today!
[15:28:20] <zeeshan> R2E4: awake?
[15:28:34] <zeeshan> R2E4: do you know if we have a canadian equivalent of 'shars'
[15:33:47] <jdh_> how about shars
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[15:35:47] <zeeshan> jdh fak shars
[15:35:55] <zeeshan> i try to buy from canada when i can
[15:36:00] <zeeshan> those 2 indicator bases which were 60$ usd total
[15:36:01] <jdh_> why?
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[15:36:12] <zeeshan> ended up being $130 dollars by the time they came to my door
[15:36:17] <zeeshan> cause they decided to ship it using UPS not usps
[15:36:22] <zeeshan> when i specifically asked for usps
[15:36:31] <jdh> cdco does usps
[15:36:32] <zeeshan> so i got owned with brokerage fees to the next level
[15:36:39] <jdh> sounds like a personal problem.
[15:36:54] <zeeshan> i woulda bought noga bases
[15:36:57] <zeeshan> but theyre made in israel
[15:37:04] <zeeshan> and i don't buy anything from israel :p
[15:37:12] <jdh> why?
[15:37:32] <zeeshan> cause it just funds an economy that drives them to attack palestine even more
[15:37:43] <zeeshan> and illegally take their land
[15:37:55] <jdh> vs .us?
[15:38:03] <zeeshan> huh
[15:38:31] <zeeshan> jdh
[15:38:32] <jdh> .us funds their economy. and .us attacks plenty of people. You should refuse to buy anything from .us.
[15:38:35] <zeeshan> cdco looks like a nice company
[15:38:39] <zeeshan> jdh haha
[15:38:48] <zeeshan> israel pays US $ for military equipment
[15:38:50] <jdh> their website sucks, but good prices on cheap stuff.
[15:38:56] <zeeshan> if israel has no money, they can't buy :P
[15:39:03] <jdh> we give them the money
[15:39:06] <zeeshan> yea, the same bases i bought are cheaper from cdco
[15:39:55] <pcw_home> and China occupies Tibet
[15:39:56] <pcw_home> Rich countries exploit poor ones News at 11:00
[15:40:21] <jdh> OMG!
[15:40:43] <zeeshan> too bad cdco doesnt have the big hydraulic arm :P
[15:40:50] <jdh> cherry picking issues is pretty common in religion.
[15:42:00] <jdh> I have a motor with an integrated brake. When power is applied to the motor, the normally closed brake releases.
[15:42:18] <zeeshan> what are you using that for?
[15:42:19] <zeeshan> your spindle?
[15:42:39] <jdh> but, it is being driven by a VFD around 25hz and I'm not sure the brake is releasing well enough.
[15:43:01] <jdh> not cnc related. It's an indexing system.
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[16:19:50] <IchGuckLive> hi all
[16:20:16] <XXCoder1> hey
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[16:23:58] <IchGuckLive> gkwhc: hi welcome to the channel laser cutter is a big challenge
[16:25:58] <gkwhc> IchGuckLive: thanks! and yea, seems like its another ballpark
[16:26:24] <IchGuckLive> its fun and dangeres in one part
[16:26:29] <XXCoder1> I do wanna try build a bluray dvd laser cutter project
[16:26:30] <IchGuckLive> i got only 1W
[16:26:35] <XXCoder1> but yeah dangerous
[16:27:04] <IchGuckLive> XXCoder1: did you see my vid on 5USD laser
[16:27:12] <XXCoder1> I dont think so?
[16:27:51] <IchGuckLive> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1L1VR8U74us
[16:28:23] <IchGuckLive> i got a new diod from a double layer dvd an it makes quite 350mm/min
[16:28:25] <XXCoder1> lol olviously modified router cnc
[16:28:49] <IchGuckLive> on standard iso mil you can put all funny stuff
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[16:29:02] <XXCoder1> cool :)
[16:29:12] <XXCoder1> I hope I build my cnc router
[16:29:19] <XXCoder1> successfully that is
[16:29:34] <IchGuckLive> i told you to start low budget to get things running
[16:29:42] <IchGuckLive> and then upgrade step by step
[16:29:43] <XXCoder1> indeed
[16:30:03] <IchGuckLive> Goal so ypou get more then one router in some time
[16:30:18] <IchGuckLive> as always spare parts are in storeige
[16:33:49] <gkwhc> IchGuckLive: so can a laser cutter do angled cuts/edge finishes?
[16:33:59] <XXCoder1> yeah once built I would evenually build better framework for it, using 8020
[16:34:12] <XXCoder1> also upgraded controller hardware like you linked me a while ago
[16:37:04] <XXCoder1> ich I saw someone using scanner hardware to build laser cutter lol
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[16:37:15] <XXCoder1> it makes sense, scanners is built to be very precise
[16:37:48] <IchGuckLive> gkwhc: as yiou make a rotating head yes
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[16:38:57] <gkwhc> IchGuckLive: how about cutting in "steps"? is it possible to set laser penetration a certain depth?
[16:44:53] <IchGuckLive> only on NeYd
[16:45:09] <IchGuckLive> and in glas you can focus
[16:45:37] <gkwhc> oh interesting
[16:45:52] <gkwhc> i didnt know that the mechanism affects the capabilities
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[16:57:16] <IchGuckLive> gkwhc: also a plasma is capable of engraving
[16:57:23] <IchGuckLive> some stone types
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[16:57:40] <IchGuckLive> pr even metal at serten quality
[16:57:49] <IchGuckLive> or
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[16:58:49] <IchGuckLive> gkwhc: whaere are yoiu in the world
[17:00:06] <IchGuckLive> @ all today the last ever update on XP relesed
[17:00:43] <Jymmm> IchGuckLive are they shutting down the update service?
[17:00:52] <Jymmm> or just no more updates
[17:01:00] <Jymmm> (as of today that is)
[17:01:26] <IchGuckLive> no more updates
[17:01:37] <Jymmm> FINALLY! lol
[17:01:53] <IchGuckLive> im with all the pc and all othere things totaly on ubuntu since 2008
[17:02:17] <Jymmm> I'll have to see if they are releasing a final SvcPack or soemthing for future installs.
[17:02:37] <IchGuckLive> i woudt never mind i did this as tons of Microsoft products are in CAD cam but it is working for me with no spare
[17:02:47] <skunkworks> I very much doubt thatt they are shutting down the update servers..
[17:02:48] <Jymmm> downloading 20000 updates would be a pita
[17:02:58] <skunkworks> they ran the 2000 update servers for quite a wile
[17:03:00] <skunkworks> while
[17:03:06] <skunkworks> after eol
[17:03:33] <Jymmm> skunkworks: Good to know. I just need time to grab teh updates for offline usage
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[17:04:51] <Jymmm> I'd LUST to be able to slimstream them
[17:05:35] <Jymmm> I take that back... I'd lust for someone ELSE to slimstream them for me =)
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[17:06:27] <skunkworks> heh - I have not slipstreamed since 2000 days..
[17:06:38] <skunkworks> it made sense when internet speeds where so slow.
[17:07:23] <Jymmm> It makes sense even today... no bloat in installed systems
[17:07:32] <Jymmm> Saves time during installs
[17:07:54] <Jymmm> No artifacts/conflicts to deal with
[17:08:24] <Jymmm> IchGuckLive: Why did you say "Released" XP ?
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[17:09:37] <Jymmm> skunkworks: I'll probably end up making a Master VM; then create a VM-to-bare Metal image =)
[17:09:43] <IchGuckLive> no the last udae from Ms
[17:09:49] <IchGuckLive> update
[17:10:16] <IchGuckLive> i need to go to bed hard day i cant hit the keyboard hard enoph
[17:10:37] <IchGuckLive> Examina on nearly 10k Students
[17:10:39] <Jymmm> IchGuckLive: Right, but you added the "Released XP" part. As in, there are other variations of XP (POS as example) that are still getting updates.
[17:11:15] <IchGuckLive> ok im apolygise on that its only the OS
[17:11:29] <Jymmm> IchGuckLive: Ok, just checking =)
[17:11:52] <Jymmm> IchGuckLive: They might be Embedded XP that under contract that might still get tham is why I asked.
[17:12:40] <IchGuckLive> dont think so
[17:13:00] <Jymmm> skunkworks: Heh, W2K.... fuck me... I remember the Destoryer that lost all nagigations systems due to fucked up W2K
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[17:15:39] <IchGuckLive> im off early BYE
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[17:15:49] <Jymmm> http://web.archive.org/web/20050214070147/http://www.gcn.com/17_17/news/33727-1.html
[17:17:20] <archivist> some users and .govs have paid to keep xp up for a while longer
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-26884167
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[17:20:02] <R2E4_> Tom_itx: you here?
[17:20:43] <Jymmm> archivist: Yeah, I figured as much. Especially with what the alternatives are =)
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[17:21:15] <R2E4_> Hiya Jymmm
[17:21:40] <R2E4_> Hey archivist: I am trying to get feed rate to display on pyvcp panel.
[17:22:34] <R2E4_> Do you know off the top of your head what hal pin I can get that from? wait, let me try this
[17:23:03] <archivist> I shall wait....less for me to do :)
[17:24:10] <R2E4_> can you throw a hint without anybody seeing?:-)
[17:26:10] <archivist> do you mean the current motion velocity motion.current-vel
[17:26:30] <archivist> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/motion.9.html#PINS
[17:26:58] <R2E4_> right..... motion.
[17:33:05] <R2E4_> ok it works. wrong scale but I will try andfigurethat out. Thanks
[17:35:01] <pcw_home> most internals velocities are in machine units per second
[17:41:04] <R2E4_> glad tosee your still here Pete. After that snake bite....:-)
[17:42:03] <skunkworks> pcw_home, wait - bit by a snake? how did I miss that?
[17:44:29] <pcw_home> no big deal, gopher snake, but not something that happens to me very often
[17:45:32] <XXCoder1> bitten by snake just dont happen that often lol
[17:47:44] <R2E4_> chamfer bit for aluminum, .5 90degree 2 flute? That would be a generic all purpose chamfer tool?
[17:55:37] <R2E4_> .
[18:05:27] <Tom_itx> i think i got 60 deg
[18:05:42] <Tom_itx> half round bits
[18:05:54] <Tom_itx> err for engraving...
[18:06:46] <Tom_itx> the 2 flute would do ok for a chamfer bit
[18:10:17] <Swapper_> what do i change if my spindle (a servo) only rotates backwards?
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[18:11:02] <Swapper_> i have tryed changing OUTPUT_SCALE =
[18:11:06] <Swapper_> to negative
[18:13:15] <Swapper_> or maybe its not that simple to run a +-10v drive as a spindle ?
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[18:17:34] <mhaberler> Rob Ellenberg's trajectory planner is now combined with jog-while-paused support, see
http://goo.gl/LPZcE6
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[18:27:49] <Tom_itx> nice
[18:28:16] <Tom_itx> is that included in his git?
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[18:29:25] <Swapper_> anyone have a example of a +-10v controlled spindle?
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[18:29:32] <Tom_itx> skunkworks do you know about this?
[18:29:38] <Swapper_> cant find a single example
[18:29:40] <skunkworks> nope
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[18:32:35] <Tom_itx> would be a handy feature
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[19:10:29] <mhaberler> Tom_itx: no, it’s not in his git repo - follow the link
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[19:17:19] <skunkworks> mhaberler, if I check his repository - I see the jwp there - is that not the same?
[19:17:20] <skunkworks> https://github.com/robEllenberg/linuxcnc-mirror/tree/mk-jwp-newtp-try1
[19:17:32] <mhaberler> no it is not
[19:18:14] <mhaberler> technically it is, but not from a git history perspective - same code though; the one in my repo is the one going to be merged
[19:19:34] <mhaberler> you’ll see different git sha's
[19:19:58] <mhaberler> I’d be really interested to hear what you find out!
[19:21:08] <Tom_itx> does it rapid or feed back to position?
[19:21:25] <mhaberler> at the jog feed
[19:21:42] <mhaberler> so you can adjust that before reentry through hal
[19:21:47] <Tom_itx> good for the faint of heart
[19:22:02] <mhaberler> I dont like that noise either ;)
[19:24:04] <mhaberler> I guess the link above pointed to the wrong message, should have been this:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/machinekit/IHgwhQx6J7U
[19:24:32] <mhaberler> nope.. dont understand google groups links yet..
[19:24:33] <Tom_itx> it redirected
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[19:25:10] <mhaberler> well go to the first post in this thread
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[19:25:51] <Tom_itx> https://github.com/mhaberler/linuxcnc/commits/mk-jwp-newtp-rc1
[19:25:55] <Tom_itx> that?
[19:25:59] <mhaberler> yessir
[19:26:45] <Tom_itx> and that has his TP in it as well?
[19:26:50] <mhaberler> yes
[19:27:33] <skunkworks> http://imagebin.org/304665
[19:28:01] <mhaberler> that was a superfast build ;)
[19:28:10] <Connor> Jog While Paused making it in ?
[19:28:15] <mhaberler> yes
[19:28:21] <Connor> WooT
[19:28:34] <mhaberler> I thought we’d go through the motion testing pains just once
[19:28:41] <PCW> "Swapper_ anyone have a example of a +-10v controlled spindle?"
[19:28:43] <PCW> should be straightforward, its the 0 to 10V spindles that are more involved
[19:29:16] <Connor> PCW Yea.. Have to use ABS and a extra pin to toggle direction
[19:29:59] <PCW> yeah twos comp to sign + magnitude conversion
[19:30:43] <Connor> one would think they're would a simple comp to handle that without having to do so much hal wiring..
[19:31:05] <Jymmm> PCW: (Does +-10 include reverse rotation?)
[19:31:35] <PCW> Yes (if its like a normal analog servo)
[19:32:16] <Jymmm> PCW: Ok, so -10 to 0 is CCW, and 0 to 10 is CW (typically) ?
[19:32:28] <Connor> Yup
[19:32:58] <PCW> Connor: there was a suggestion to have motion provide an unsigned spindle speed but that was rejected
[19:33:14] <Connor> pcw Wonder why?
[19:34:09] <PCW> maybe not unixy enough (tie a bunch of little tools together to do what you want)
[19:34:49] <Connor> doesn't preclude that ability.. just simplifies configuration.. Oh well..
[19:35:13] <PCW> yeah would have been a major convenience
[19:36:46] <PCW> just more HAL boilerplate
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[19:50:16] <skunkworks> Connor, are you using master?
[19:50:43] <skunkworks_> 21 float OUT 0 motion.spindle-speed-out-rps-abs
[19:50:54] <skunkworks_> 21 float OUT 0 motion.spindle-speed-out-abs
[19:51:19] <skunkworks_> I think cmorley added it a while back
[19:51:25] <PCW> It was added?
[19:51:41] <skunkworks_> it is in my master of about a week ago
[19:51:57] <PCW> Well jolly good!
[19:52:01] <skunkworks_> I don't think it has made it into the docs
[19:52:35] <skunkworks_> I remember seeing it - but couldn't find it ;)
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[20:00:22] <Connor> skunkworks Yes, I am. Didn't know that it was added.
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[20:13:41] <Swapper_> PCW: do you know what name the index pulse have from encoders?
[20:14:03] <Swapper_> trying to find it in halwatch
[20:14:17] <Swapper_> halshow even
[20:14:45] <PCW> the hal signal is bob_laube_law_index_enable
[20:16:14] <PCW> if in doubt about pins always good to:
[20:16:16] <PCW> halcmd show all > copy_paste_donor.file
[20:16:53] <PCW> (from a terminal window when linuxcnc is running)
[20:17:50] <Swapper_> hm2_5i25.0.encoder.01.index-enable
[20:17:55] <Swapper_> thx got the file
[20:20:14] <Swapper_> can index be called c-phase?
[20:21:03] <PCW> index-enable is a funny bi-directional signal
[20:21:05] <PCW> its set by motion, and cleared by the encoder
[20:21:46] <PCW> yes sometimes C, sometimes Z, sometimes I
[20:24:00] <Swapper_> so index-enable will not go high when the shaft hits it=
[20:24:02] <Swapper_> ?
[20:24:29] <Swapper_> need a way to debug my servo-amp settings since i dont seem to have index pulse getting in
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[20:42:34] <R2E4_> I have a button "Quill Up" Can I safely use G53 Z0 in an mdi command initiated with the Quill up button? ANy drawbacks?
[20:44:29] <PCW> index-enable is set by motion (for homing and spindle synchronized moves) and cleared by the encoder logic
[20:45:19] <PCW> if you want to test by hand, setp index-enable true and see if it gets cleared when you pass the encoders index position
[20:46:14] <Deejay> gn8
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[22:11:12] <atom1> skunkworks, how do i pull that TP code to compile?
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[22:44:05] <PetefromTn_> Afternoon Folks.
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[23:11:09] <XXCoder1> hey
[23:12:39] <PetefromTn_> hey man
[23:16:25] <XXCoder1> hows stuff
[23:18:26] <PetefromTn_> oh alright.
[23:19:00] <XXCoder1> cool
[23:19:04] <PetefromTn_> I gotta tell you working in a Job shop things move pretty damn fast.
[23:19:07] <XXCoder1> went to shop to finalize paperowrk
[23:20:33] <PetefromTn_> I am learning my way around Mastercam with each part we make
[23:21:19] <XXCoder1> thats awesome :)
[23:21:33] <PetefromTn_> yeah I am pleased to be learning it.
[23:22:29] <PetefromTn_> They have their own way of doing things with the program so my exposure will be limited to that but with the variety of parts they make it will be interesting each time.
[23:23:02] <XXCoder1> yeah best way of learning I think.
[23:23:15] <PetefromTn_> Agreed..
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[23:26:13] <XXCoder1> I hope they have place open soon. as they are training shop they rapidly move though employees
[23:26:19] <XXCoder1> so maybe few weeks max
[23:26:39] <PetefromTn_> what do you mean?
[23:26:59] <XXCoder1> they take people who want to learn how to work at machine shop
[23:27:03] <XXCoder1> with cnc and such
[23:27:28] <XXCoder1> they train people then try finmd position for people at their more perment places or maybe other company
[23:27:38] <PetefromTn_> perhaps I misled you.
[23:27:48] <PetefromTn_> This is a FULL time permanent position.
[23:27:59] <XXCoder1> oh I wasnt talking about your polace lol
[23:28:08] <XXCoder1> no, its for me
[23:28:21] <PetefromTn_> I only speak of it as temporary because It is temporary to me until I can get my shop going with work.
[23:28:34] <PetefromTn_> Oh sorry.
[23:28:42] <PetefromTn_> You are working in a training shop then?
[23:28:47] <XXCoder1> will be, yeah
[23:28:53] <PetefromTn_> cool..
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[23:29:12] <XXCoder1> my vend job will be "on vacation" status till complete
[23:29:19] <XXCoder1> I will train my stand in
[23:29:28] <PetefromTn_> vend job?
[23:29:51] <XXCoder1> vending warehouse job
[23:30:01] <XXCoder1> I am inverory manager basically
[23:30:09] <PetefromTn_> okay
[23:30:25] <XXCoder1> it sounds fancy but reall not
[23:30:36] <PetefromTn_> So you are going to work in CNC machining after training then>
[23:30:55] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_ what does that shop make? or who do they make parts for?
[23:30:57] <XXCoder1> maybe. theres various choices
[23:31:17] <Tom_itx> maybe there's some overflow there
[23:31:39] <PetefromTn_> Tom_itx Basically anything and everthing. Parts for many of the local companies including NiponDenso and others.
[23:32:48] <Tom_itx> it's gonna be hard to get your shop going if you're moving to FL
[23:32:59] <PetefromTn_> This morning I made some simple plates with bored holes and threaded holes and this afternoon we were working on some kinda weldment brackets that had slotted and drilled and bored holes at both ends for denso. then we setup for another project from 4140 prehard plate that was roughed out on the waterjet..
[23:33:46] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know but that is a foregone conclusion we WILL be moving to Florida as soon as we can sell our home.
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[23:35:21] <XXCoder1> seeking better place and job eh
[23:35:24] <PetefromTn_> I must say tho that so far the guys I am working with are quite nice and helpful. they discuss things openly and we all kinda help each other with project setup ideas and advice.
[23:35:46] <Tom_itx> no reason not to
[23:36:29] <PetefromTn_> no actually we I just grew up in Florida and and have family there and we are kinda over living in Tennessee after almost 16 years.
[23:37:27] <jdh> I lived in knoxville from 82-96
[23:37:28] <PetefromTn_> Tom_itx Oh I agree fully but you would be surprised at how some people are not only closed minded but also are so protective of their positions they are unwilling to help a new guy learn anything.
[23:37:33] <jdh> it was about 12 years too long
[23:37:47] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know man..
[23:38:23] <jdh> I didnt' know it at the time though :)
[23:38:46] <PetefromTn_> Honestly I live south of Knoxville in Maryville and I am quite close to the Great Smoky Mountains National Park. this area is actually quite nice and we have enjoyed it. We are just ready for something new.
[23:38:53] <Tom_itx> i kindof had an advantage working at my bud's shop. we were friends long before he started it
[23:39:03] <Tom_itx> i helped him get started from the ground up
[23:39:06] <PetefromTn_> that is always nice.
[23:39:17] <XXCoder1> thats how you tell between experts and "experts"
[23:39:37] <XXCoder1> "experts" is closed and unwilling because they dont know as much as they say they know
[23:39:41] <PetefromTn_> The guy who I work closely with is a friendly fellow and we have a lot in Common IE shooting and cars etc...
[23:40:05] <jdh> I lived in S. Kville, off chapman
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[23:40:39] <PetefromTn_> Oh okay... in seymore?
[23:41:02] <jdh> not quite that far. My wife taught at sevier co. high school though
[23:41:12] <PetefromTn_> interesting.
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[23:41:29] <PetefromTn_> I live in south maryville not far from the Foothills parkway.
[23:42:50] <PetefromTn_> you can actually see the lookout from my front family room window.
[23:43:12] <jdh> nice.
[23:43:37] <jdh> last year we were there, my wife was 7 months pregnant and we got iced in for a week with no power
[23:43:54] <PetefromTn_> LOL yeah that is kinda what I am wanting to leave behind..
[23:44:09] <jdh> I'm hoping to go to florida next wed.
[23:45:44] <PetefromTn_> jealous...TAKE ME WITH YOU!!
[23:46:11] <XXCoder1> pete once you go there, you literally live opposite me
[23:46:22] <PetefromTn_> how so?
[23:46:27] <XXCoder1> I live at wa
[23:47:04] <PetefromTn_> you mean as physically far apart in the states as possible short of Al and HI
[23:47:09] <XXCoder1> indeed
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[23:51:41] <Jymmm> jdh: iced in on vacation or living there?
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[23:59:26] <jdh> lived there.
