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[00:06:36] <PetefromTn_> evening..
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[00:06:52] <XXCoder1> hey
[00:07:08] <PetefromTn_> hey XX
[00:07:12] <XXCoder1> did you see the levating metal till it melted link?
[00:07:51] <PetefromTn_> nope
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[00:08:08] <XXCoder1> I was wondering if it was more effecient than kiln or something. If so, I'd create something that hovers and melts metal and melted metal would fall down and go in kiln heated container
[00:08:13] <XXCoder1> this is awesome
http://io9.com/watch-this-aluminum-slug-melt-and-levitate-at-the-same-1559152748
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[00:13:52] <PetefromTn_> interesting.
[00:18:01] <XXCoder1> yeah. no idea on how effecient it is though lol
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[00:26:48] <humble_sea_bass> it is very inefficient
[00:29:16] <R2E4> working on pyvcp panel. frustrating....lol
[00:31:22] <XXCoder1> humble yeah guessed it. all that voltage. kiln uses much less
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[00:42:24] <R2E4> IS there not a hal pin that show spindle speed?
[00:43:20] <R2E4> Theres "spindle-vel-cmd" but that only shows what you told it to turn at, I think.
[00:45:53] <andypugh> R2E4: How can the software know what speed the spindle is really turning?
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[01:02:49] <tjtr33> R2E4, your hardware may have an 'at_speed' output that you can connect to a hal pin , or a speed value , or... not
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[01:19:13] <R2E4> ah yeah. I have an at speed output.
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[01:29:16] <tjtr33> then a pyvcp meter with your speed selected as input, and an led saying the meter's not lying
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[01:30:34] <R2E4> I dont have an encoder yet, so I will use what I tell it to spin at as spindle speed
[01:30:44] <andypugh> How do you know that the “at-speed” isn’t lying?
[01:32:17] <R2E4> The drive has the encoder connected to it, so the drive knows. I just have to tell Lcnc
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[01:32:50] <R2E4> I meant I dont have a spindleencoder connected to Lcnc
[01:33:34] <andypugh> You could probably connect the spindle encoder to both the drive and lcnc
[01:33:39] <R2E4> I have a hardware spindle speed meter thats working and connected to the drive, I am just trying to learn pyvcp
[01:34:07] <R2E4> tap it parallel?
[01:35:07] <R2E4> theres no index though, so I wont beable to do rigid tapping until I connect an encoder to the servo shaft.
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[01:37:04] <R2E4> the halpins in pyvcp xml, doesnt really do anything until I connect it in postgui hal file right?
[01:37:15] <PetefromTn_Andro> Well chilling in bed with my studio headphones on now....just shut down the VMC for the night.
[01:38:02] <andypugh> R2E4: No hal pins do anything until connected
[01:39:28] <R2E4> cool, its working.
[01:39:57] <tjtr33> you are now responsible for all pyvcp questions :)
[01:40:03] <R2E4> This stuff is fantastic.
[01:40:33] <R2E4> Nto until I get the cycle timer working....:-)
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[01:47:59] <PetefromTn_Andro> Managed to get a little more work done on those scope rails I was working on.
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[01:55:33] <R2E4> Cycle time is time linuxcnc is running...... I thought it was gcode running.
[01:57:09] <PetefromTn_Andro> I thought Tom_ITX had a cycle timer setup in gladevcp or something.
[01:57:47] <Tom_itx> i do
[01:58:15] <PetefromTn_Andro> I would like to have it setup on my machine as well. Would also love to be able to record tool number cycles but not sure that is possible.
[01:58:21] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/cnc/configs/sherline/
[01:58:23] <Tom_itx> it's all there
[01:58:32] <Tom_itx> postgui.hal
[01:58:36] <Tom_itx> display.xml
[01:58:42] <Tom_itx> and a bit in the .ini file
[02:00:46] <PetefromTn_Andro> Well there ya go LOL.
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[02:01:29] <R2E4> hmmm....
[02:02:35] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/cnc/screenshot.png
[02:02:39] <Tom_itx> and a screen shot of it
[02:03:10] <PetefromTn_Andro> We had my daughter's birthday party this weekend and a bunch of other stuff to do so I was not able to get much at all done on the machine unfortunately.
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[02:05:12] <R2E4> OH, I so wantthat.
[02:06:13] <PetefromTn_Andro> Have you made anything cool with it yet man?
[02:08:58] <PetefromTn_Andro> We are Apparently supposed to be getting some nasty winds and rain overnight. Hopefully it will not be too bad and wake us up LOL.
[02:10:10] <Tom_itx> making a master key for a new lock... made the wrong damn key!
[02:10:23] <Tom_itx> start over...
[02:10:44] <PetefromTn_Andro> LOL dontcha hate when you do stuff like that...??
[02:11:14] <Tom_itx> i could just change all the tumblers but i think that would take longer
[02:11:29] <Tom_itx> it's a perfectly good key too
[02:12:14] <PetefromTn_Andro> Yeah that is a pain kinda. When we made custom entryway doors we used to key the locks to the owners existing keys whenever possible so they did not need new ones.
[02:13:58] <PetefromTn_Andro> We made some really gorgeous solid mahogany doors some were quite ornate.
[02:15:15] <PetefromTn_Andro> Well gotta get to bed night folks.
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[02:24:42] <andypugh> Talking about keys, I have seen this guy do the same thing live, it isn’t a one-off:
http://youtu.be/Bj9KEmLWRek
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[02:31:58] <R2E4> That shows the time when axis was started.
[02:34:24] <R2E4> and how long it has been running.
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[02:47:06] <tjtr33> re keys: he explains impressioning a bit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-EFymCNlEU
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[02:51:21] <Valen> oh god the sounds from those videos
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[03:12:37] <Tom_itx> ok 2nd time is a charm..
[03:12:50] <Tom_itx> 2 good keys, just one fits the wrong lock
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[03:14:33] <Tom_itx> i think i'll write a cnc program to do it now
[03:14:51] <Tom_itx> i have all the tumbler depths i need for it
[03:15:35] <Tom_itx> the 2 i had made at the store were from worn keys which didn't work
[03:25:53] <R2E4> Tom_itx: What does your (work zero) call do?
[03:27:35] <Tom_itx> sends the tool to G54 X0 Y0 Z0
[03:27:38] <Tom_itx> moving Z first
[03:27:46] <Tom_itx> it calls a subroutine
[03:28:07] <R2E4> thats your zero axis button?
[03:28:15] <Tom_itx> umm i think so
[03:28:24] <Tom_itx> i didn't post that sub there though
[03:29:01] <R2E4> I'm going to remove that button, I have abutton on my button panel that does that.
[03:29:18] <Tom_itx> that's fine
[03:29:51] <R2E4> When I list my mdi commands inthe ini file, they are consecutive? second one would be mdi-command-01?
[03:30:59] <Tom_itx> something like that yes
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[03:31:04] <Tom_itx> you can see it in my ini
[03:31:27] <Tom_itx> in the [HALUI] section
[03:31:53] <Tom_itx> some call subs and some just execute the code there
[03:47:07] <R2E4> You have to reload the gcode after.
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[07:24:49] <eren_basturk> can someone help me?
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[07:25:57] <archivist> only if you ask a real question
[07:28:26] <eren_basturk> ok i will ask later
[07:28:55] <eren_basturk> i have not a big problem but i will try to fix my mistake
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[07:30:00] <archivist> asking if anyone can help is impossible without the real question
[07:33:39] <eren_basturk> yes. You are right
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[11:15:06] <Swapper_> how do i configure the system to only run one version of linuxcnc is installed? as i have it now it seems like i have one that is from git and one from apt-get ?
[11:15:28] <Swapper_> . ./scripts/rip-environment
[11:15:32] <Swapper_> then i run linuxcnc
[11:15:40] <Swapper_> that gives one version (the one i want)
[11:15:53] <Swapper_> the shortcut on the desktop starts a nother one
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[11:16:34] <jthornton> make a script to run rip-environment the start linuxcnc
[11:17:11] <Swapper_> but to reduce the confusion can i uniunstall the package version ?
[11:17:29] <Swapper_> and install the git version systemwide ?
[11:17:46] <jthornton> what version are you running?
[11:17:54] <Swapper_> 3.6
[11:17:57] <Swapper_> 2.6
[11:18:22] <jthornton> hmm I wonder if buildbot has a 2.6 deb yet
[11:18:51] <cpresser> jthornton: yes. there is a 2.6 branch
[11:18:53] <cpresser> http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/
[11:18:54] <jthornton> http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/
[11:19:33] <Swapper_> yep thats the one i ran before, but now i want to run the git version since gmoccapy is the latest version in that
[11:19:55] <Swapper_> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Gmoccapy
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[11:20:31] <Swapper_> i did the upgrade instructions there and that seemed to work since i got a newer version of gmoccapy
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[11:24:39] <jthornton> http://pastebin.com/8HsRCYYV
[11:25:26] <Swapper_> ok ill try
[11:25:31] <Swapper_> thx
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[11:30:58] <skunkworks> Swapper_, what happens if you tell it to create an icon from the config picker? I thought that made the icon work with whatver rip you launched it from.
[11:31:44] <Swapper_> havent tryed that since i had a conf from the "old" version thats not git
[11:35:44] <Swapper_> generaly i would like to only have one version installed, like making a "make install" would that work ?
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[11:58:55] <eren_basturk> is there a person who work on BeagleBone Black?
[11:59:24] <eren_basturk> i would like to ask a question to the people who work on BeagleBone Black
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[12:00:40] <archivist> in irc ask the real question else no one know if they should answer or not
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[12:18:22] <R2E4_awy> archivist: Do you know of a component or something I can add that times the running gcode?
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[12:18:33] <R2E4_awy> and display it like the cycle timer?
[12:18:49] <jthornton> dang he didn't ask anybody
[12:18:59] <archivist> I dont
[12:19:04] <R2E4_awy> or is the cycle timer suppose to do that?
[12:19:09] <R2E4_awy> Hi JT
[12:19:16] <jthornton> yes there is
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[12:19:32] <archivist> dunno, I dont worry too much about time
[12:20:04] <archivist> jthornton, it is hard work getting the real question sometimes :)
[12:20:15] <R2E4> I was playing with it last night, and it counts as long as linuxcnc is open it counts
[12:20:16] <jthornton> lol yea
[12:20:34] <skunkworks> R2E4,
http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/2.5/html/man/man9/time.9.html
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[12:20:39] <jthornton> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/time.9.html
[12:20:46] <skunkworks> sorry...
[12:21:07] <skunkworks> works well
[12:21:14] <skunkworks> jthornton, made it.
[12:21:56] <R2E4> ok, I'll look at it again. I tried it last night, and it starts to count as soon as I start linuxcnc, and I want it to count only when running gcode.
[12:22:26] <jthornton> you have it hooked up wrong
[12:22:41] <R2E4> yeah, story of my life....
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[12:23:12] <jthornton> check the description for an example on how to hook it up
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[12:23:23] <R2E4> I'll check that....
[12:24:06] <skunkworks> R2E4,
http://imagebin.org/301934
[12:24:31] <skunkworks> cycle time time only runs when the gcode is running - resets when you start a new program
[12:24:58] <skunkworks> using the setup from the example
[12:25:10] <R2E4> I figure i wired it wrong...... WTF is peak values?
[12:25:33] <R2E4> The fastest it runs within that period?
[12:26:16] <skunkworks> R2E4, pay no attention.. (I have been testing a new trajectory planner.. - making sure it doesn't violate acc/vel constraints)
[12:26:33] <R2E4> ah, cool.
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[12:32:21] <R2E4> oh yeah, i did it wrong....
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[12:34:31] <eren_basturk> is there a person who work on BeagleBone Black with linuxcnc?
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[12:42:39] <MrHindsight> eren_basturk: just ask your questions
[12:43:30] <eren_basturk> i am looking for an image for beaglebone black
[12:43:54] <eren_basturk> but i couldnt find an image
[12:44:04] <eren_basturk> all links as broken
[12:44:27] <eren_basturk> if you have an image to run on BBB could you send me?
[12:46:15] <MrHindsight> eren_basturk:
http://blog.machinekit.io/p/machinekit_16.html check here or ask those contributors via email
[12:48:00] <eren_basturk> wget
http://www.machinekit.net/deb/rootfs/wheezy/debian-7.3-machinekit-armhf-2013-12-28.tar.xz--2014-04-07 15:47:30--
http://www.machinekit.net/deb/rootfs/wheezy/debian-7.3-machinekit-armhf-2013-12-28.tar.xzResolving www.machinekit.net... 86.59.12.251Connecting to www.machinekit.net|86.59.12.251|:80... connected.HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 301 Moved PermanentlyLocation:...
[12:48:02] <eren_basturk> ...
http://www.machinekit.io/deb/rootfs/wheezy/debian-7.3-machinekit-armhf-2013-12-28.tar.xz [following]--2014-04-07 15:47:31--
http://www.machinekit.io/deb/rootfs/wheezy/debian-7.3-machinekit-armhf-2013-12-28.tar.xzResolving www.machinekit.io... 54.209.189.102Connecting to www.machinekit.io|54.209.189.102|:80... connected.HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found2014-04-07...
[12:48:04] <eren_basturk> ...15:47:31 ERROR 404: Not Found.
[12:48:39] <R2E4> hehe
[12:48:42] <eren_basturk> the image link doesnt work
[12:48:48] <eren_basturk> here the link
[12:48:50] <eren_basturk> http://www.machinekit.io/deb/rootfs/wheezy/debian-7.3-machinekit-armhf-2013-12-28.tar.xz
[12:48:56] <eren_basturk> but its empty
[12:49:01] <MrHindsight> yes, you mentioned that already :)
[12:49:15] <eren_basturk> sorry for this output of command
[12:49:30] <eren_basturk> but i have been searching this image for 2 two days
[12:49:42] <eren_basturk> but all links are broken
[12:49:55] <MrHindsight> eren_basturk: ask them on the mail list, they are on a few
[12:50:00] <Jymmm> eren_basturk: Then ask them,
[12:50:19] <MrHindsight> they just started us some new project and repo
[12:50:47] <MrHindsight> I'm actually glad now they did
[12:51:05] <eren_basturk> ok thanks for support i will contact with them
[12:51:56] <MrHindsight> keeps the stench of repcrap out of here
[12:53:28] <R2E4> What does green eggs and ham have to do with spindle speed? hahaha
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[13:32:40] <R2E4> How often is the normal lube pump on for a typical vmc?
[13:37:17] <MrHindsight> every few hours, at least once a day
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[14:00:48] <R2E4> every few hours for a few minutes?
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[14:55:34] <Swapper_> anyone using a XHC-HB04 or similar device and know how to change the feed overide ? (i need to move faster)
[14:55:56] <Swapper_> or generaly know how to change the rate the MPG speed is toggled
[14:56:07] <Swapper_> XHC-HB04 is a USB attatched pendant
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[15:03:02] <R2E4> Swapper_: did you try changing your scale?
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[16:06:27] <mshaver> Where are the "home an axis", or "home all" buttons in gmoccapy?
[16:08:27] <skunkworks> matt!
[16:09:06] <mshaver> yes!
[16:09:33] <mshaver> how's that for enthusiasm...
[16:10:29] <skunkworks> :) I have not played with gmoccapy...
[16:10:34] <skunkworks> sorry
[16:11:07] <mshaver> that's ok, i'm going to look at a video in a minute which might explain it
[16:11:43] <skunkworks> mshaver, had a reason to play with the new TP yet?
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[16:13:34] <Connor> mshaver: Button at bottom.. looks like a circle with 3 arrows going off directions.. hit that.
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[16:15:58] <mshaver> Connor: Thanks! I had it in "window" mode and couldn't see them.
[16:16:11] <Connor> window mode ?
[16:16:20] <mshaver> skunkworks: No, not yet
[16:17:31] <mshaver> Connor: I mean not "full screen". The button bar is cut off at the bottom when gmoccapy is a only a window.
[16:17:45] <Connor> Odd.. not on my system.
[16:17:56] <Connor> but then again, I'm running high resolution..
[16:18:07] <mshaver> you probably have a higher resolution screen
[16:18:29] <mshaver> me=1024x768 i think
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[16:21:30] <mshaver> how about this: anyone know why i'm getting the _long_ number displayed in the "Tool information" area? See this pic:
http://imagebin.org/304278
[16:21:59] <Connor> That's a bit odd.
[16:22:19] <cradek> wow
[16:22:38] <Connor> Is that with the simulator ?
[16:22:44] <Connor> or custom config ?
[16:22:45] <cradek> aren't those buttons on the bottom the homing buttons?
[16:23:09] <Connor> cradek: He found them after he full screened the window.
[16:23:14] <cradek> ah, haha
[16:23:30] <Connor> Hmm.. no spindle speed + or -
[16:23:38] <mshaver> custom config, but not a super complete polished one yet. I'll pastebin it/them
[16:24:45] <mshaver> I was using the gcreen version of gmoccapy for a bit too, and i had to delete the preferences file to get rid of another error when i switched to the "regular" gmoccapy
[16:25:26] <Connor> what's the diff between gscre-n gmoccap and this one ?
[16:25:45] <jdh> is it the max velocity?
[16:25:55] <Connor> jdh: No
[16:26:50] <mshaver> the .ini file:
http://pastebin.com/192WLTMJ
[16:27:42] <mshaver> Connor: DISPLAY = gscreen -c gmoccapy -d vs. DISPLAY = gmoccapy
[16:28:10] <Connor> yea.. I know that.. I'm just wondering what the BASE difference is... if the gmocccapy still uses gscreen..
[16:29:40] <mshaver> the hal file:
http://pastebin.com/DPZifLje
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[16:38:09] <Connor> I'll have to play with both of those.. I'll be switching to touch screen in the near future..
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[16:44:24] <humble_sea_bass> HAVE you found a cheap touch screen
[16:44:39] <humble_sea_bass> even the monoprice touch screens are over the top in price
[16:44:56] <Connor> I got one off of ebay. Industrial grade..
[16:45:26] <humble_sea_bass> or one could go that route
[16:45:42] <R2E4> http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/category/category_slc.asp?CatId=1449 259.00 Thats not expensive
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[16:48:54] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[16:49:02] <humble_sea_bass> it isn't, but in a world of amazing widescreen monitors for 80 bux, I am a dreamer
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[16:54:41] <IchGuckLive> R2E4: Thanks for giving eren a hint tonight ;-)
[16:55:09] <R2E4> I didnt see him
[16:55:59] <R2E4> ah, him.
[16:56:55] <R2E4> He was looking at using beablebone black i think
[16:58:05] <IchGuckLive> as he still strugels with hal and gamepad is is drifting away
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[16:58:37] <R2E4> he needs direction.hal is not easy to learn
[16:58:42] <IchGuckLive> i simply dont understand as he is i europ that he is not online in europ timezone
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[17:18:25] <skunkworks> db
[17:18:37] <skunkworks> db13.
[17:18:40] <skunkworks> heh
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[17:23:21] <Swapper_> R2E4: but how do i change the scale on the fly ? do i have to map buttons for it ?
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[17:26:45] <Swapper_> ahh found this on the wiki for the pendant " jog wheel with variable scale (use STEP button to select scale)"
[17:27:03] <Swapper_> But where can i see the current scale in gmoccapy?
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[17:47:32] <IchGuckLive> Swapper_: do you got a gamepad or simply buttons
[17:47:41] <Swapper_> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Using_A_XHC-HB04_Wireless_MPG_Pendant
[17:47:42] <Swapper_> that one
[17:48:06] <Swapper_> and it has a button "step" that should change the scaling. But i cant see the scale im curently at
[17:48:35] <Swapper_> at the moment i have to spin the mgp more than 1 rev to even get 1 mm of movment
[17:49:39] <IchGuckLive> Swapper_: what version do you got
[17:50:03] <Swapper_> of the driver or linux cnc ?
[17:50:20] <IchGuckLive> the tgz file
[17:50:26] <Swapper_> the driver is 06 one
[17:50:38] <IchGuckLive> v3-v6
[17:50:44] <IchGuckLive> ok
[17:51:52] <Swapper_> im quite new on linuxcnc so im prob missing somting elementary regaring scaling but i cant find the settings for it
[17:52:26] <Swapper_> i would like the "step" button on the mpg to cycle though different scales
[17:52:37] <Swapper_> so i can go fast and slow
[17:52:52] <IchGuckLive> xhc-hb04.jog.enable-feed-override this value in your config holds your scale
[17:53:34] <IchGuckLive> net jog-scale xhc-hb04.jog.scale => axis.0.jog-scale axis.1.jog-scale axis.2.jog-scale axis.3.jog-scale
[17:53:59] <IchGuckLive> so you need to change it on the pendand
[17:55:03] <Swapper_> # Wheel for feedrate and spindle
[17:55:03] <Swapper_> setp halui.feed-override.scale 1
[17:55:03] <Swapper_> net jog-counts => halui.feed-override.counts
[17:55:03] <Swapper_> net jog-feed halui.feed-override.count-enable <= xhc-hb04.jog.enable-feed-override
[17:55:06] <Swapper_> net jog-feed2 halui.feed-override.value => xhc-hb04.feed-override
[17:55:13] <Swapper_> ive got that in the xhc-hb04.hal file
[17:55:17] <Swapper_> thats incl in the main hal
[17:55:34] <IchGuckLive> yes but the value is from the pendand
[17:55:42] <IchGuckLive> so not hardcoded
[17:55:52] <Swapper_> whaoh
[17:55:57] <Swapper_> now you said somting :)
[17:55:58] <IchGuckLive> you need to find that parameter in the pendand menue
[17:56:08] <Swapper_> thank you so much !
[17:56:11] <Swapper_> will try :)
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[17:56:29] <Swapper_> missed that one :)
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[17:56:46] <IchGuckLive> NP
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[18:00:45] <Deejay> namd
[18:01:52] <Swapper_> IchGuckLive: tried now and the F: parameter in the pendant only goes to 200
[18:01:56] <Swapper_> is that % ?
[18:04:14] <IchGuckLive> let me read the manual
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[18:04:58] <IchGuckLive> xhc-hb04.jog.scale
[18:05:04] <IchGuckLive> is this also F
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[18:06:49] <IchGuckLive> 0.1 0.001
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[18:07:24] <IchGuckLive> Swapper_: axis.0.jog-scale takes a fload
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[18:08:04] <Swapper_> where do you find that?
[18:08:36] <Swapper_> setp halui.feed-override.scale 1
[18:08:43] <Swapper_> can that be related ?
[18:09:43] <IchGuckLive> this is not what you looking for
[18:09:53] <Swapper_> i think my normal scaling is wrong somwere
[18:09:57] <IchGuckLive> no
[18:10:09] <IchGuckLive> there are at leset 4 setings ion the pendand
[18:10:15] <IchGuckLive> when not more
[18:10:22] <Swapper_> ok
[18:10:24] <IchGuckLive> that tells the hal
[18:10:42] <IchGuckLive> one klick on the wheel moves 0.1
[18:10:45] <IchGuckLive> 0.01
[18:10:48] <IchGuckLive> 0.001
[18:10:50] <IchGuckLive> 1
[18:10:51] <IchGuckLive> 5
[18:10:54] <IchGuckLive> 10
[18:11:01] <Jymmm> 15
[18:11:02] <Jymmm> 20
[18:11:03] <Jymmm> 25
[18:11:07] <IchGuckLive> ;-)
[18:11:25] <IchGuckLive> as you can imagine it is essential
[18:11:52] <IchGuckLive> so i think klick the weel XYZ4 to the end there shoudt be your scale settings
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[18:12:20] <IchGuckLive> or on the step button it changes that value on the lcd
[18:12:42] <IchGuckLive> you shoudt see somthing in the lcd that tells you what the scale now is
[18:12:50] <IchGuckLive> otherwise you will crash
[18:12:53] <Swapper_> i have found the setting in the pendant but its not making much difference
[18:13:05] <IchGuckLive> if you looking for 0.1move and 10 is set
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[18:13:13] <Swapper_> i changed MAX_FEED_OVERRIDE = 3.000000 from 2 and then the value inthe pendant could be set to 300 instead of 200
[18:13:22] <Swapper_> im in mm
[18:13:45] <Swapper_> so 0.001 mm ain much
[18:13:49] <IchGuckLive> this is the value for in Programm feed override
[18:13:55] <IchGuckLive> ot the jog value
[18:14:18] <Swapper_> [DISPLAY]
[18:14:18] <Swapper_> DISPLAY = gmoccapy
[18:14:18] <Swapper_> PREFERENCE_FILE_PATH = gmoccapy_preferences
[18:14:18] <Swapper_> POSITION_OFFSET = RELATIVE
[18:14:18] <Swapper_> POSITION_FEEDBACK = ACTUAL
[18:14:20] <Swapper_> MAX_FEED_OVERRIDE = 3.000000
[18:14:23] <Swapper_> MAX_SPINDLE_OVERRIDE = 1.000000
[18:14:25] <Swapper_> MIN_SPINDLE_OVERRIDE = 0.500000
[18:14:28] <Swapper_> INTRO_GRAPHIC = linuxcnc.gif
[18:14:30] <Swapper_> INTRO_TIME = 5
[18:14:33] <Swapper_> PROGRAM_PREFIX = /home/frasen2/linuxcnc/nc_files
[18:14:35] <Swapper_> INCREMENTS = 5mm 1mm .5mm .1mm .05mm .01mm .005mm
[18:14:38] <Swapper_> POSITION_OFFSET = RELATIVE
[18:14:40] <Swapper_> POSITION_FEEDBACK = ACTUAL
[18:14:43] <Swapper_> DEFAULT_LINEAR_VELOCITY = 25.0
[18:14:45] <Swapper_> MAX_LINEAR_VELOCITY = 83.33
[18:14:48] <Swapper_> MIN_LINEAR_VELOCITY = 1.00
[18:14:50] <Swapper_> DEFAULT_ANGULAR_VELOCITY = 0.250000
[18:14:51] <IchGuckLive> STOP
[18:14:53] <Swapper_> MAX_ANGULAR_VELOCITY = 1.000000
[18:14:55] <Swapper_> MIN_ANGULAR_VELOCITY = 0.010000
[18:14:58] <Swapper_> EDITOR = gedit
[18:15:00] <IchGuckLive> nothing to do with this
[18:15:00] <Swapper_> GEOMETRY = xyz
[18:15:01] <Jymmm> Swapper_: WTF?!
[18:15:03] <Swapper_> anything wrong there ?
[18:15:08] <IchGuckLive> No
[18:15:13] <IchGuckLive> its in your pendand
[18:15:24] <Jymmm> Swapper_: pastebin
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[18:15:53] <IchGuckLive> there is everythin alrigt on your setup
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[18:15:58] <IchGuckLive> no need to change
[18:16:16] <IchGuckLive> the value shoudt come from the pendand correctly and you are fine
[18:16:40] <Swapper_> but i maxed the setting in the pendant and it moving 0.001 mm per mpg tick
[18:16:53] <IchGuckLive> just set the value by pressing STEP or maybe the choice triggrer and the wheel
[18:17:07] <Swapper_> yes i did it maxes at 3
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[18:17:18] <Swapper_> or 300 it says in the pendandt
[18:17:21] <IchGuckLive> 0.001 is the min he has set to the lcd
[18:17:41] <IchGuckLive> no its wrong ypour mashine will crash on this settings
[18:17:47] <IchGuckLive> change it back please
[18:18:03] <IchGuckLive> PLEASE provide a picture of the lcd
[18:18:06] <Swapper_> i tried it and it moved small bit faster
[18:18:20] <IchGuckLive> or the pendand itself enlarged
[18:18:57] <IchGuckLive> i dont beleve you as feedoverrght and jog scale does not match up
[18:19:18] <R2E4_> I havethe exact sample as inthe time, andit starts timingas soon as axis starts.
[18:19:19] <IchGuckLive> there are 2 more items beond xyz4
[18:19:32] <IchGuckLive> Swapper_: this is your gole
[18:19:48] <Swapper_> yea its named Feed
[18:19:51] <R2E4_> I connected it exactly as it should be.
[18:20:06] <Swapper_> its OFF > X > Y > Z > A > Spindle > Feed
[18:20:24] <Swapper_> i set the small knob on Feed and change the F: value to 300
[18:20:47] <Swapper_> before i changed MAX_FEED_OVERRIDE = 3.000000 i could only set this to 200
[18:20:53] <IchGuckLive> this is only the programm run over feed not the jog
[18:20:56] <Swapper_> the value where 2.0 before
[18:21:18] <Swapper_> ok
[18:21:18] <IchGuckLive> 2.0 means double the programm F rate
[18:21:37] <IchGuckLive> wee are looking for the jog increment
[18:21:59] <IchGuckLive> if your wheel makes one klick move ...... valie
[18:22:05] <Swapper_> there ore some more vale it says 0
[18:22:09] <Swapper_> but cant get to it
[18:22:30] <IchGuckLive> is there a pdf maual of the pendant online
[18:22:53] <Swapper_> ill check
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[18:29:31] <Swapper_> this is as close i can get
http://www.linuxcnc.org/emc2/index.php/english/forum/24-hal-components/26679-xhc-hb04-wireless-mpg-pendant-hal-module?start=10
[18:29:46] <Swapper_> manual on chinese ebay stuff is not easy to find :)
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[18:30:17] <IchGuckLive> axis.N.jog-scale - (float, in) Sets the distance moved for each count on jog-counts, in machine units. this is your goal
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[18:53:52] <R2E4_> I am having problemswith the time function. I canonly add the time.0, when I add time.1 it says it cannot fined it.
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[18:58:24] <skunkworks> so you have loadrt time count=2?
[18:59:23] <JT-Shop> loadrt time [count=N|names=name1[,name2...]]
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[19:22:25] <Connor> So, I bought a 800GPH Bilge pump yesterday.. my Parts washer pump doesn't have enough umph to lift the coolant when my head is more than 1/2" or so above the table..
[19:22:42] <witnit> raise the tank
[19:22:43] <witnit> :P
[19:22:47] <Connor> I'm going to hard-line it into the chip tray / encloser.
[19:23:01] <Connor> witnit: tank in the bottom of stand.. can't raise it..
[19:23:06] <witnit> ahhh
[19:23:11] <Connor> besides.. I want more flow...
[19:23:24] <Connor> I just boxed my self into a corner.
[19:23:55] <Connor> I have 1/2' between back of enclosure and the wall...
[19:24:13] <Connor> and I'm using 3/4" PVC..
[19:25:12] <Connor> I can't move enclosure out from wall very easily because, I then can't open up my drawer on my tool box..
[19:25:18] <witnit> maybe one inch soft hose would squish and not lose volume
[19:25:50] <witnit> that would be like 1/4 in wide slot for flow 1 wide
[19:25:52] <witnit> or so
[19:26:29] <Swapper_> what should i search for if i would like to make a button cycle between different jog speeds?
[19:26:52] <R2E4_> skunkworks: ah, I loaded loadrt time.0, then again time.1
[19:27:27] <Connor> Well.. I can softline it using the 3/8" ID x 1/2" OD.. But, that requires me running the hose through the wire management PVC pipe.. and eating up more line..
[19:28:08] <Connor> stupid small a$$ shop..
[19:28:12] <witnit> how much do you like that drawer?
[19:28:25] <Connor> I've had to make SO many concessions..
[19:28:42] <witnit> Swapper_:
http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/2.4/html/gui_halui.html maybe 1.2.7 would help?
[19:29:07] <Connor> It's where I store all my Endmills, 123 blocks, mics etc.. also put a board across it and use it for the keyboard, mouse self.
[19:29:08] <Connor> shelf
[19:29:26] <witnit> it was funnier when I read it as self
[19:29:34] <Connor> yea yea..
[19:29:50] <Connor> Don't want to run the hardline up through the bottom because of possible leaks..
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[19:30:27] <witnit> maybe an inline helper pump would be an option
[19:30:31] <witnit> I dunno
[19:30:45] <humble_sea_bass> HOW LONG IS AN IRACING SEASON
[19:30:47] <witnit> I really have no idea what your doing hahaha
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[19:31:38] <Connor> So, 3 options are, soft line for now.. knock a hole in the Sheetrock.. cut 2" to 3" off the exention and move the toolbox down
[19:32:12] <Connor> Just trying to talk it out.. I get too much crap going on in my head... I'm a bit OCD
[19:32:18] <somenewguy> ugggh I need help here folks. I am trying to mill down some SS square tube, 1x1 .095 with a 4 flute carbide endmill
[19:32:19] <witnit> samesies
[19:32:46] <somenewguy> and the damn endmill keeps coming loose in my ER16 collet after a couple passess
[19:32:48] <witnit> what grade of ss?
[19:32:56] <somenewguy> 304 I am 90% sure
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[19:33:06] <Swapper_> witnit: ill check thanx
[19:33:23] <somenewguy> 304 is cheaper than 316, right? whichever one is cheaper, I don't have the recipet in front of me, but I remember being dissapointed my supplier didn't have any of the better stuff
[19:33:45] <witnit> are you passing allong a length of is the bottom of tap supported by the material?
[19:34:04] <somenewguy> it's a 1/8th endmill at 1100 RPM (my min speed) at 4.8 in/sec
[19:34:07] <witnit> meaning can that endmill fall out if loose or would the material stop it from going do
[19:34:08] <somenewguy> err in/min lol
[19:34:09] <Connor> http://www.ivdc.com/cnc/mill_03_03_14_03.jpg
[19:34:18] <somenewguy> I am trimming the face of it
[19:34:33] <Connor> you can see the toolbox in this photo.. barely.. far right lower corner..
[19:34:33] <witnit> vibration or collet is oversize
[19:34:50] <witnit> unlikely the flutes are pulling it down and out of the holder
[19:34:57] <somenewguy> I chopped it in my chop saw, but it was 1/4 inch long, so I am triming the face down to size, since it is cut at an angle the mill should be easier than re-setting up the chop saw, and no damn burrs to grind down
[19:35:12] <somenewguy> yeah, the collet is just vibraitng loose
[19:35:30] <witnit> you really nbeed to slow down the passes until the vibration is gone
[19:35:30] <somenewguy> 1/4 collet, which is clean and w/o any damage I can see, so it is a perfect fit
[19:35:42] <witnit> the machine is just too light to handle the material
[19:35:42] <Connor> it's a box to hold the shop vac, and has a drawer in it.. and my monitor is on top of it.. it's 2'x2' and has 23" foling extension which touches the wall..
[19:36:46] <somenewguy> ok, I was afraid to take too shallow a cut and work harden the material, I am doing .06 wide by .18 deep passes, too much for the lil taig?
[19:37:01] <somenewguy> thats 75% x 25%, which I thought was reasonable but I guess not
[19:37:08] <witnit> you dont have to go that fast though
[19:37:14] <somenewguy> I'll go 25x25
[19:37:20] <witnit> if its vibrating it no good
[19:37:34] <somenewguy> it doesn't seem to be vibraiting, any more than steel always does
[19:37:51] <somenewguy> its not making angry nosies, but when the end mill starts slipping, obviously something bad has happened lol
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[19:40:40] <witnit> the bed on those things looks so thin
[19:40:43] <somenewguy> looking at the mfrs sheet, my SFM might be too slow? wold that cause it to come loose? 80 sfm is what I am running now
[19:41:06] <witnit> I maximize my chips onthat stuff
[19:41:09] <witnit> SS
[19:41:12] <somenewguy> I am cutting right above the ways, but I always feel like that vertical tube is the weakes poitn by far on that machine
[19:41:15] <witnit> mostly is like a gumym material
[19:41:17] <witnit> sooo.
[19:41:33] <witnit> take more material per pass but just run it slower
[19:41:51] <Connor> using coolant / oil ?
[19:41:52] <somenewguy> ok, maintain the same CL?
[19:42:01] <somenewguy> I am brushing on motor oil continuously, it is soaked
[19:42:01] <witnit> it cuts good if you can have it steady and your cutter does not rub on it
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[19:42:18] <witnit> it like to glance the tools off until they engage then it really digs in
[19:42:22] <somenewguy> brand new cutter is about all I can rule out
[19:42:37] <Connor> How about the chips ? are they being cleared out ?
[19:42:40] <somenewguy> so you think a deeper cut would be smarter
[19:42:48] <somenewguy> yeah, its square hollow tue, so they have plenty of places to go
[19:42:51] <witnit> I think you need to sloww it WAAAAY DOWN :P
[19:42:57] <witnit> then take a biger cute
[19:42:59] <witnit> cut
[19:43:23] <witnit> and just watch the cutter and make sure its not flexing too hard
[19:43:44] <somenewguy> oh hell, my CL is .001, oops
[19:44:07] <somenewguy> I'll cut the speed in half and bump up the engagment, fingers crossed
[19:44:23] * somenewguy needs a slower motor or pully for this thing
[19:44:29] <witnit> once you can do a couple passes without the spindle or table shaking and the cuts come off fairly heavy just keep rasiing the bar until the vibration comes back and settle there
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[19:46:47] <somenewguy> will do
[19:47:04] <somenewguy> I expected to hear the vibe/chatter more, but it is not obvoius to me at all untill the cutter comes free
[19:47:17] <somenewguy> of course 80% of my machining to date is plastics, so I am learning
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[19:47:28] <somenewguy> on the bright side my subroutines work, and the finsih looks great
[19:47:46] <witnit> :)
[19:48:00] <somenewguy> would raising the bar be feed rate or WOC in your book?
[19:48:38] <witnit> oh just IU just mean increase feed and spindle rpm together
[19:48:52] <witnit> I*
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[19:50:32] <somenewguy> no rpm control...
[19:50:34] <somenewguy> well, a belt
[19:50:40] <somenewguy> oh hey, this sounds better
[19:50:51] <somenewguy> litttle squeeeky, but smooth
[19:51:02] <witnit> just try to determine your types of vibration
[19:51:55] <witnit> one type is the cutting edge making contact with material and jolting the machine , the other is the side of the tool bouncing on the side of a workpiece
[19:52:02] <somenewguy> time to find videos of other ppl w/ isseus and learn the sounds
[19:52:15] <somenewguy> fortuntatly I drive old VWs, so I ahve an ear for bad mech sounds lol
[19:52:36] <witnit> use your hand on the machine table
[19:52:52] <witnit> I run multiple screw machines side by side so I have vibrations coming through my feet :P
[19:53:06] <witnit> you learn pretty quick every cycled thump and boom
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[20:01:28] <witnit> if you dont get your spindle slow enough but the feed gets too slow that squeak is probably a rubbing happening,
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[20:02:24] <somenewguy> haha
[20:02:39] <somenewguy> I found foretting a wrench on the second fixture a decent signal, gets noise quick
[20:03:01] <witnit> haha
[20:03:04] <somenewguy> damn thing went a lot logner, but right before the finish path came loose again, squeek was short lived
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[20:03:33] <witnit> that vibration has gotta go
[20:03:37] <somenewguy> I don't think it was rubbing, .0003 CL is reasonable, I am gonna make it shallower and order another end mill
[20:03:44] <witnit> I would try 600 rpm
[20:03:53] <somenewguy> I think I killed the vibe by dropping down to 1.4ipm
[20:04:00] <somenewguy> ...I min out at 1100 rpm
[20:04:06] <witnit> yeah but if your spindle is hauling ass
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[20:04:07] <witnit> ...
[20:04:12] <somenewguy> I'm gonna order a smaller endmill, same solution, different method
[20:04:21] <witnit> yeah
[20:04:53] <somenewguy> I bought this one specifically because I didn't have a small enough one, 70 SFM should be plenty slow gorramit
[20:04:59] * somenewguy needs a real machining center
[20:05:06] <witnit> yep
[20:05:39] <witnit> you would be better off stacking two old kurt vises
[20:05:46] <witnit> and using a hand drill
[20:05:50] <witnit> on top
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[20:06:48] <witnit> i get vibration in my bridgeport on faily small work
[20:06:59] <witnit> so I know that has to be troublesome with ss
[20:09:07] <somenewguy> I don't even know what you are saying right now
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[20:09:58] <somenewguy> I was looking at a buddies old grinding machien and thinking I need to buy it from him, its been sitting in his shop unused for like 3 years now, could convert it to a HD mini mill w/ a rotory table, and re-finish my rotors on the weekend
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[20:10:58] <witnit> I assumed that picture connor put was of a similar machine to what you have
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[20:11:10] <witnit> you are using a mini mill?
[20:11:19] <Connor> witnit: That's MY machine. :) G0704
[20:11:22] <witnit> ohhhh
[20:11:28] <somenewguy> curetnly yes, a taig, I thought you knew
[20:11:28] <witnit> is tiny
[20:11:29] <witnit> hahhaha
[20:11:34] <somenewguy> or you talking to connor
[20:11:45] <witnit> you
[20:12:00] <Connor> witnit: It's small.. but.. not that small..
[20:12:04] <Connor> X3 Class...
[20:14:15] <Connor> Anyone.. Looking at that picture..
http://www.ivdc.com/cnc/mill_03_03_14_03.jpg which side would you mount a hose with nozle for washing out the enclosure.. I have a cart that goes on the left side.. and I plan on mounting the PC on rails on the right side... Control Pendant on right side.. So, I'm thinking on the left,
[20:14:39] <Connor> It'll be detachable with quick release.
[20:14:52] <Connor> I'm thinking on the left..
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[20:22:36] <witnit> have you got a complex config file by chance? with like both printer port and a mesa card or something added in hal?
[20:23:02] <witnit> something loaded with unusual things added
[20:23:07] <XXCoder1> interesting
[20:23:14] <witnit> penant ect
[20:23:32] <XXCoder1> using white roller thingy to protect z axis screw?
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[20:33:18] <Connor> XXCoder1: Both Z and Y
[20:33:25] <XXCoder1> ahh cool
[20:33:38] <Connor> Jury Still out on it...
[20:33:39] <XXCoder1> how sensive is machine tpo stuff falling on screws?
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[20:34:11] <Connor> More than just the screws, ways too...
[20:36:19] <XXCoder1> okay, but how sensibe?
[20:36:51] <Connor> It really should be protected
[20:37:21] <XXCoder1> yeah I probably will have walls between work and rails
[20:37:48] <XXCoder1> just high enough to block most stuff. its good enough till I get enough money to build better one
[20:43:40] <tjb1> Tom_itx: are you still logging?
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[21:15:41] <Deejay> gn8
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[21:38:15] <somenewguy> so what is the result of a SFM that is too slow? I get why a low CL is bad etc, and why too fast of a SFM is bad, but waht about too little? aside from productivity obviously, is there one?
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[21:38:51] <XXCoder1> whats fully expanded name of sfm?
[21:39:40] <Jymmm> Surface Feet/Minute
[21:39:52] <XXCoder1> is that like ipm?
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[21:42:20] <witnit> not really
[21:43:42] <somenewguy> its the linear speed of hte cutting edge along the material
[21:43:47] <witnit> I dont use the terms but from what I understand the surface feet is in relationship to the tooling, where the ipm is more in association with how far the cutting head has traveled
[21:43:53] <witnit> in a minute...
[21:44:36] <XXCoder1> gmm ok. well hopefully you know answer to his question too :D
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[21:45:14] <witnit> so, if if you had a 10 diameter piece of aluminum in the lathe.. imagine you are facing it off at one inch per minute.......
[21:45:38] <witnit> so in 5 minutes you are in the center....
[21:45:48] <witnit> thats a constant rate....
[21:45:50] <witnit> however
[21:46:04] <witnit> the tool is getting a surface feet per minutes as well
[21:46:29] <witnit> and as you get closer to the center of the material the rpms at the point of your cutting tool is reduced
[21:46:51] <witnit> so your IPM has been at a constant where your SFM has changed
[21:47:38] <XXCoder1> ahh ok
[21:48:08] <XXCoder1> I can't wait to get that book
[21:48:44] <witnit> that is why you need to increase your rpms of workpiece on lathe as you get to the center of the workpiece to ensure a constant sfm
[21:48:59] <somenewguy> ^what he said
[21:49:12] <somenewguy> I only have a mill, but its all the same, jus different
[21:49:33] <XXCoder1> I am still slowly saving up to build cnc router
[21:49:42] <somenewguy> if you zoom in close enough on the single flute or cutting edge cutting alont the material, it looks like it is traveling in a straight line right? not a circle
[21:49:54] <somenewguy> SFM is the speed, in that straight line, the cutting edge is traveling
[21:49:56] <witnit> yes your SFM is determined by your spindle RPM in relationship to your IPM
[21:50:15] <somenewguy> it is driven by only the tool or work diameter, and the rpm
[21:50:26] <somenewguy> higher RPM = Higher SFM
[21:50:33] <somenewguy> larger tool or workpiece = hirher SFM
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[21:51:00] <somenewguy> cnccookbook has pretty pictures that will show it clearer than sentences
[21:51:10] <somenewguy> too fast and you are working the tool too hard and generate a lot of heat and dull things up
[21:51:21] <somenewguy> I don't konw if there is any negative consequence of going too slow tho
[21:51:34] <somenewguy> and I am trying to baby my little flexible machine, so I need to understand the paramaters better
[21:51:35] <witnit> yeah there is
[21:51:55] <witnit> once your sfm drops too low your tool simply breaks off
[21:52:32] <witnit> you need a variable speed drive
[21:52:45] <somenewguy> i know...
[21:53:06] <witnit> it would be different if you were drill pcb with it
[21:53:15] <somenewguy> and a highspeed spindle for plasticks
[21:53:21] <witnit> but that speed range seems awfully high for such a light machine
[21:53:30] <witnit> ahh
[21:53:40] <somenewguy> well since its light, they probably only expect plastics and aluminum
[21:53:40] <witnit> thats your biggest issue
[21:53:44] <witnit> yeah
[21:53:52] <somenewguy> 1k-10k is my currrent range
[21:53:57] <witnit> tooo much
[21:54:18] <somenewguy> when I'm drilling plastics I am always doing tiny stuff and wish I had a 40k spindle, when I am working in metal I always wish I had 50-1k rpm
[21:54:23] <somenewguy> never happpy lol
[21:54:26] <witnit> you need much lower for such material and less than ridgid machine
[21:54:35] <witnit> yep
[21:54:45] <witnit> maybe a secondary head would be appropiate
[21:54:50] <somenewguy> but isntead of upgrading the machine, I am gonna buy a house w/ a garage, sell this, and buy a full size CNC, cause obvoiusly that is the reasonable solution
[21:55:07] <witnit> can you bolt on a servo an swich between them?
[21:55:10] <somenewguy> yeah, I ALMOST bought a proxxon (better version of a dremel) and built a mount for it since my head is dovetailed
[21:55:23] <somenewguy> dovetail== easy swap out
[21:55:34] <witnit> then you could atleast have a verticle lathe as well
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[21:56:27] <witnit> install a tool post on the vise and add in dies and boring bars and you would have a nice verti
[21:57:51] <uw> anyone ever use M3.5 screws for anything?
[21:58:50] <witnit> are those case screw size?
[21:58:57] <witnit> like pc computer case
[21:59:12] <uw> i'm not sure
[21:59:24] <witnit> they have a little dot on them>
[21:59:27] <uw> but i have something else that uses it and cant find screws for it
[21:59:28] <witnit> on the head?
[22:00:02] <uw> no the orig screws are a reverse torx (whatever that is)
[22:00:20] <uw> but i'm looking to change that for a conversion kit i plan to sell
[22:01:14] <uw> they are M3.5 and 0.6 pitch
[22:01:24] <uw> it's a size, but would like allen or regular torx heads
[22:01:42] <witnit> I was thinking the screw that hold in your power supply and case sides on most pc were 3.5 philips
[22:01:46] <uw> not bullshit phillips (because phillips head is the worst screw head design ever concived)
[22:01:49] <witnit> hjaaajhahj
[22:01:50] <witnit> yes
[22:01:53] <witnit> true
[22:02:15] <witnit> I know this guy with tens of thousands of overstock hex caps
[22:02:22] <witnit> I dunno how small he goes though
[22:02:27] <witnit> how many you need?
[22:02:34] <uw> maybe a bag of 100
[22:02:41] <uw> also 15-20mm long
[22:02:46] <witnit> :/
[22:02:55] <uw> yea they are kinda funny
[22:02:58] <witnit> well I will look
[22:03:12] <uw> but i've found phillips ones but would really rather use allen or regular torx
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[22:03:31] <witnit> I understand completely
[22:03:48] <witnit> you built a few boxes in your past it sounds ahaha
[22:04:21] <Loetmichel> uw: no, i think slot head is the worst
[22:04:23] <uw> lol yea pretty much every project i've used phillips on i've had a bad time at one point or another
[22:04:52] <uw> Loetmichel, slot head is bad, agreed. but phillips head is the worst or at least in tie for 2nd
[22:05:02] <uw> tie for 1st rather
[22:05:20] <Loetmichel> uw: if you use a phillips driver in a spax head and a pz driver in a phillips head i agree
[22:05:34] <Loetmichel> thats a thing i try to beat out of my workers
[22:06:07] <Loetmichel> "use the right tool for the job or dont come complaining when you mangle the head/the tool!"
[22:06:09] <witnit> http://www.ebay.com/itm/0515-1444-Agilent-HP-Screw-Machine-Pan-Head-Torx-T15-M3-5X0-6-25-4MM-Long-/251023606420?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a722c4294
[22:06:23] <witnit> that looks like what you need I think?
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[22:07:17] <witnit> I will see if he has some as allen head next time I go up
[22:07:24] <uw> Loetmichel, LOL yea that spax head i've had issues with too
[22:07:31] <uw> i know what you're talking about
[22:07:59] <uw> witnit, that woudl be great. however $2 a piece is out of the question
[22:08:05] <witnit> exactly
[22:08:06] <uw> i'll use phillips before that
[22:08:12] <Loetmichel> uw: i had a strange experience a while ago
[22:08:26] <jdh> she was a he?
[22:08:27] <witnit> anyone working on a precision rotary table for a small mill?
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[22:08:55] <Loetmichel> screwed shelf outriggers to the concrete wall with M8*80 screws with hex head
[22:09:32] <Loetmichel> and a 1/4" ratchet with 13mm nut
[22:09:38] <Loetmichel> s/nut/socket
[22:09:57] <Loetmichel> screwed in the first one with one hand
[22:10:11] <Loetmichel> *krrkkrrkkrrkkrrk* *KNACK*
[22:10:20] <Loetmichel> head of the m8 screw gone
[22:10:44] <Loetmichel> ok, pliers and screwed out the remaining shaft, next screw
[22:10:47] <Loetmichel> *krrkkrrkkrrkkrrk* *KNACK*
[22:10:53] <andypugh> witnit: It’s not easy to do well.
[22:11:31] <Loetmichel> <- looking at his hands , at thw wall, at the ratchet and desperately trying to remember wehre the radioactive soder was that had obviousliy bitten me ;-)
[22:11:46] <Loetmichel> spider
[22:12:01] <Loetmichel> it emerged that the box of screws was glass hard
[22:12:11] <Loetmichel> someone had forgotten to anneal it ;-)
[22:12:14] <witnit> well andy I have a small rotary table that is EXTREMELY nice, it has 4 fine adjusting knobs and an encoder damper thing on the bottom... it was orginally used for inspection from what I can tell
[22:12:35] <uw> they were spax screws?
[22:12:38] <witnit> I dont need it, and I thought I would offer it up cheap here for anyone
[22:12:47] <witnit> if they are working on such a thing
[22:12:55] <uw> i've used spax screws before but usually not, they are expensive but nice
[22:12:58] <uw> and they come with bit
[22:13:23] <uw> i think they are near u Loetmichel
[22:13:45] <uw> in germany
[22:13:51] <uw> or maybe that was mexico?
[22:14:00] <uw> i was confused by the box
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[22:14:12] <Loetmichel> uw: spax is a german company as far as i know
[22:15:43] <andypugh> witnit: The problem is getting a backlash-free drive.
[22:16:26] <andypugh> witnit: I designed one…
http://youtu.be/VrvwlPxRhKU but didn’t actually build it
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[22:20:16] <Loetmichel> andypugh: i would try a wolfrom gearbox
[22:20:26] <witnit> this one is meant to be direct drive from rear
[22:20:42] <andypugh> A harmonic drive from eBay would be a good start.
[22:21:10] <andypugh> witnit: Direct drive from what?
[22:21:20] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=7848
[22:21:56] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=7854
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[22:22:04] <Loetmichel> (careful, LOUD)
[22:22:14] <andypugh> Loetmichel: Isn’t that just a normal planetary gearbox? Not normally associated with zero-backlash.
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[22:22:48] <Loetmichel> no, its a planetary with a second hollow gear that has 3 theeth less
[22:23:07] <Loetmichel> and some shift in the teeth to make them fit the planets
[22:23:12] <witnit> there was not drive for it initially it was just a hand operated with an encoder feedback on bottom
[22:23:22] <andypugh> Ah, right. Sort-of like a 3-lobe harmonic drive?
[22:23:22] <Loetmichel> which are double as wide as the hollow gears
[22:24:19] <Loetmichel> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKwtyd990a4
[22:25:28] <andypugh> Ah! Right. I invented that a few month ago. :-) One day I will invent something _first_
[22:35:11] <somenewguy> use JIS phillips of course
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[22:46:27] <Jymmm> http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/04/07/300136406/mickey-rooney-actor-who-charmed-audiences-for-more-than-80-years-dies?ft=1&f=
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[23:09:07] <XXCoder1> finally got my book wooot
[23:09:19] <XXCoder1> as a bonus it has 21 years old homework in it!
[23:09:35] <XXCoder1> grade 91, april 1993 lol
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[23:16:24] <humble_sea_bass> XXCoder1: you bought the technical drawing book?
[23:16:30] <XXCoder1> yeah
[23:16:35] <humble_sea_bass> good deal
[23:16:35] <XXCoder1> basically free with shipping
[23:16:53] <XXCoder1> one penny + 3.99 ship
[23:17:02] <humble_sea_bass> hah
[23:20:17] <XXCoder1> yeah
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[23:43:32] <Connor> trying out gmoccapy.. for some reason.. it doesn't like my pins in my gladevcp.hal file..
[23:43:43] <Connor> POSTGUI_HALFILE = test_postgui.hal
[23:44:11] <Connor> looks like my control panel not loaded in time..
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