#linuxcnc | Logs for 2014-03-30

[00:00:34] <jdh> anyone have a CAD of a BK10 block?
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[00:04:10] <zeeshan|2> nah
[00:04:12] <zeeshan|2> only bk12 and bk20
[00:06:12] <PetefromTn_> http://www.smi4motion.com/smi2/images/stories/products/components/endsupportbearings/bk-dimensions.png
[00:06:20] <jdh> http://www.smi4motion.com/smi2/images/stories/products/components
[00:06:42] <jdh> oops
[00:06:45] <jdh> Pete: no dims
[00:07:29] <PetefromTn_> http://www.smi4motion.com/smi2/products/end-support-bearings/abba-bk-series-fixed-side.html?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage_main_layout_endsupportbearings_noprice.tpl&product_id=3918&category_id=218
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[00:09:00] <zeeshan|2> my model is parametric
[00:09:12] <zeeshan|2> if you want!
[00:09:29] <jdh> got the dims for the mounting holes
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[00:09:46] <zeeshan|2> lol @
[00:09:50] <zeeshan|2> bk10 $192
[00:09:51] <zeeshan|2> wtf
[00:10:22] <jdh> I have a .stp of it, but no clue how to flatten it
[00:10:35] <zeeshan|2> what do you mean
[00:10:36] <zeeshan|2> flatten it
[00:10:47] <jdh> I just want the mounting holes
[00:10:49] <PetefromTn_> you want a .dxf of it that is pretty easy..
[00:11:07] <zeeshan|2> i learned how to read step files
[00:11:15] <zeeshan|2> just a couple weeks ago in my cad course
[00:11:24] <XXCoder2> can always use inkscape to make exact shapes then export as dxf
[00:11:25] <zeeshan|2> its confusing!
[00:11:41] <XXCoder2> or use some convertor. dunno if inkscape has dxf export
[00:11:46] <jdh> I pulled it in to solidworks, but I have no idea how to use solidworks
[00:11:55] <zeeshan|2> what are you trying to do
[00:12:05] <PetefromTn_> freecad can take a .stp and export as .dxf as do many other cad programs
[00:12:33] <zeeshan|2> if youre trying to use the 3d model
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[00:12:37] <zeeshan|2> to get the bolt hole dimensions
[00:13:03] <zeeshan|2> click the evaluate tab
[00:13:10] <zeeshan|2> click the measure (measuring tape icon)
[00:13:27] <zeeshan|2> click the face of the hole
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[00:13:38] <zeeshan|2> and the other face of the hole and by default it will give you center to center distance
[00:14:06] <PetefromTn_> Solidworks can export the .dxf too just select the view you want and grab it in the tree and export as .dxf as I recall.
[00:14:42] <zeeshan|2> why would you want a dxf
[00:14:59] <zeeshan|2> when you can dimension it as a solidworks drawing
[00:15:03] <zeeshan|2> i b confused
[00:15:07] <jdh> to import
[00:15:23] <jdh> I saved it from SW as a dwg and it imported fine
[00:15:24] <PetefromTn_> depends on his cam program he may not have 3d cam..
[00:15:38] <zeeshan|2> ah
[00:15:53] <PetefromTn_> sheetcam would need a .dxf or as he did a .dwg to machine the bolt holes.
[00:20:10] <jdh> cut2d, same issue
[00:23:00] <PetefromTn_> If you have solidworks you might be able to use their free cam HSMworks or whatever it is called..
[00:24:20] <zeeshan|2> i like the mastercam plugin for solidworks
[00:24:41] <zeeshan|2> honestly, i personally love siemens nx now
[00:24:54] <zeeshan|2> you can do everything in it with the exception of proper fea/cfd
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[00:25:14] <PetefromTn_> you should buy it then..
[00:25:24] <zeeshan|2> i already bought it
[00:26:16] <zeeshan|2> it was a whopping 100$
[00:26:45] <PetefromTn_> Great I will give you $120 for it...
[00:26:49] <zeeshan|2> haha
[00:27:02] <zeeshan|2> its student edition
[00:27:06] <zeeshan|2> it only lasts for 5 years
[00:27:22] <PetefromTn_> yeah we know..
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[00:30:00] <PetefromTn_> http://imagebin.org/302620 The Cat40 fixture I designed in freecad opened in CamBam... Pretty cool.
[00:31:03] <zeeshan|2> why is the graphics all choppy
[00:32:12] <PetefromTn_> Its a setting in camBam I did not set to max to make it run faster..
[00:32:30] <PetefromTn_> Freecad has something similar.
[00:32:54] <PetefromTn_> And it is not Solidworks and Mastercam....
[00:33:07] <zeeshan|2> fail
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[00:34:52] <PetefromTn_> are you enjoying yourself?
[00:34:56] <zeeshan|2> yes
[00:35:07] <zeeshan|2> i love putting down your freecad and cambam nonsense
[00:35:24] <PetefromTn_> Really I did not realize that..
[00:35:53] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: if you say 'i use freecad and cambam' at a job interview
[00:36:11] <zeeshan|2> i guarantee you won't get the job
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[00:36:24] <zeeshan|2> unless its a small time company
[00:36:35] <PetefromTn_> thats pretty funny because that is exactly what I told them when I got the job I just started temporarily..
[00:36:49] <zeeshan|2> yet they're using mastercam
[00:36:54] <zeeshan|2> which you're trying to learn
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[00:37:05] <PetefromTn_> I was honest with them and told them I cannot afford Mastercam and Solidworks
[00:37:13] <PetefromTn_> Then showed them pictures of parts I made..
[00:37:19] <PetefromTn_> They were impressed..
[00:37:35] <PetefromTn_> and I did not go there looking for a job I was there to find offload work for my machine.
[00:38:15] <PetefromTn_> they OFFERED me a job and that was with no professional experience and no formal schooling...
[00:38:38] <zeeshan|2> small company
[00:38:39] <zeeshan|2> prolly
[00:38:46] <PetefromTn_> If I could afford Mastercam and solidworks I would have them...
[00:38:57] <PetefromTn_> well what is your definition of a small company?
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[00:39:04] <zeeshan|2> just cause you can't afford solidworks/mastercam
[00:39:08] <PetefromTn_> They have like ten machining centers
[00:39:14] <zeeshan|2> doesn't mean you need to get in arguement with me everytime
[00:39:22] <zeeshan|2> about how freecad/cambam arent mainstream software
[00:39:23] <PetefromTn_> about nine turning centers
[00:39:29] <PetefromTn_> three or four EDM machines,
[00:39:36] <zeeshan|2> sounds like apretty standard job shop
[00:39:37] <PetefromTn_> a waterjet machine,
[00:39:38] <zeeshan|2> small size
[00:39:46] <PetefromTn_> a complete fab shop.
[00:39:59] <PetefromTn_> a metrology center with CMMs
[00:40:11] <PetefromTn_> in a building about the size of a small wal mart.
[00:40:25] <zeeshan|2> i have a hard time a company like that
[00:40:35] <zeeshan|2> would hire someone with no experience in mastercam/cad
[00:40:38] <PetefromTn_> and I did not get into an arguement with you you started bashing my software...
[00:40:50] <zeeshan|2> and trust them with machines worth more than a house
[00:41:00] <zeeshan|2> unless its just simple machine operator work
[00:43:09] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_:
[00:43:11] <zeeshan|2> lets have a competition
[00:43:30] <zeeshan|2> freecad vs solidworks,nx,inventor
[00:43:38] <zeeshan|2> lets see who can make the part the fastest
[00:43:53] <zeeshan|2> and then after that, we will change the part
[00:44:02] <zeeshan|2> to be of different sizes and see whos part grows correctly
[00:44:08] <zeeshan|2> lets do it!
[00:44:33] <zeeshan|2> then after that, lets spit out g-code for a simple 3 axis mill
[00:44:42] <zeeshan|2> to mill out the profiles using standard end mills
[00:45:33] <PetefromTn_> so I am supposed to be impressed that your student version of a megabuck program will smoke my free and cheap programs?
[00:45:54] <zeeshan|2> not only will it beat it in speed
[00:46:05] <zeeshan|2> it'll not crash
[00:46:21] <zeeshan|2> also will do it with less features
[00:46:32] <PetefromTn_> what the hell does crashing have to do with the software?
[00:46:37] <zeeshan|2> everything
[00:46:56] <zeeshan|2> theres a huge reason why the famous ones are famous
[00:47:00] <zeeshan|2> and the small ones have died out
[00:47:33] <PetefromTn_> Thats funny because the shop I am temporarily working in has all of those expensive programs and the newer versions of them and they still occasionally have crashes...
[00:47:40] <zeeshan|2> b/s
[00:48:08] <zeeshan|2> now that's just pure slander
[00:48:08] <zeeshan|2> lol
[00:48:12] <zeeshan|2> i'm done talking
[00:48:24] <zeeshan|2> you keep living in your little world of freecad + cambam
[00:48:27] <PetefromTn_> Crashing has nothing to do with the programs and everything to do with the operators/programmers...
[00:48:34] <zeeshan|2> i'm not talking about machine crashes
[00:48:37] <zeeshan|2> im talking about program crashes
[00:48:56] * XXCoder2 wisely stays out
[00:49:00] <zeeshan|2> XXCoder2: !
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[00:49:18] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: let us compete!
[00:49:19] <zeeshan|2> cmon
[00:49:48] <PetefromTn_> ya know man you have been very helpful to me with my modbus control setup and other things... for that I am holding back here. It gets real old you talking trash about programs you cannot afford..
[00:50:03] <zeeshan|2> just download a warez copy
[00:50:03] <zeeshan|2> lol
[00:50:27] <PetefromTn_> Neither can I.
[00:50:36] <XXCoder2> free awesome warez. most has free addons like viruses too lol
[00:50:37] <PetefromTn_> so I use what I can afford.
[00:50:49] <PetefromTn_> it works fine for my needs here.
[00:50:53] <zeeshan|2> XXCoder2: lies
[00:50:54] <zeeshan|2> :D
[00:51:10] <PetefromTn_> I have already programmed several parts with it and ran them everything worked exactly as I expected.
[00:51:12] <zeeshan|2> solidsquad has got that stuff down right
[00:51:27] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: just cause it works for your applications
[00:51:31] <zeeshan|2> doesn't mean its an industry standard
[00:51:39] <PetefromTn_> never claimed it was....
[00:54:04] <Loetmichel> PetefromTn_: absolutely concur
[00:54:17] <Loetmichel> to the "i use what i can afford"
[00:54:57] <Loetmichel> zeeshan|2: even if you cant believe it: there ARE households where no warez are allowed, and decidedly so
[00:55:36] <PetefromTn_> Honestly the vast majority of the parts they make in the shop there are very very simple and could easily be done in my 2d sheetcam program. They do some 3d work but most of it is also simple.
[00:56:20] <PetefromTn_> The wheels I posted and the scope rail I just posted pics of are quite a bit more complex than anything I saw made there in the last two weeks I worked there LOL.
[00:56:27] <zeeshan|2> kiss
[00:56:32] <zeeshan|2> keep it simple stupid!
[00:56:38] <zeeshan|2> hopefully parts are complex everyday
[00:56:45] <zeeshan|2> that'd be costing the end customer $$$
[00:56:57] <zeeshan|2> are not
[00:57:27] <zeeshan|2> Loetmichel: cool
[00:57:33] <PetefromTn_> The customers design the parts...vast majority of the time.
[00:57:37] <zeeshan|2> i don't care what PetefromTn_ uses
[00:57:49] <zeeshan|2> but when he comes an tries to get in arguement with me when im recommending some other software
[00:57:52] <zeeshan|2> that irritates the fuck out of me
[00:58:23] <PetefromTn_> And it irritates the fuck out of me when you recommend that software to a guy who has a benchtop mill....
[00:58:45] <zeeshan|2> i recommend that because them learning a real software
[00:58:51] <zeeshan|2> is much more valuable to them then learning 'freecad'
[00:59:24] <XXCoder2> so free stuff arent real software?
[00:59:24] <PetefromTn_> it is only valuable to them if they intend to make a living from it...
[00:59:27] <XXCoder2> like ubuntu
[00:59:39] <zeeshan|2> XXCoder2: you intrepreted real wrong
[00:59:47] <zeeshan|2> by real i mean 'industry supported applications'
[00:59:54] <zeeshan|2> ie if you go to make a career out of it
[01:00:03] <zeeshan|2> you'll unlikely find freecad at a real company
[01:00:04] <PetefromTn_> Ya got to understand that MOST of the folks in here are not making thier livings with CNC machines and programming...
[01:00:40] <XXCoder2> I certainly know I'm not. well unless weird stuff happens and I start cnc biz, and it's still my own cnc and software
[01:01:07] <PetefromTn_> to most of the people in here this is just a hobby or something to do on a very small scale.
[01:01:19] <zeeshan|2> so you're telling me
[01:01:25] <XXCoder2> I can't wait to even get there.
[01:01:26] <zeeshan|2> im the only industry working person in here?
[01:01:30] <zeeshan|2> b/s
[01:01:38] <zeeshan|2> im sure there are others like me
[01:01:41] <PetefromTn_> For me I am trying to make some money from it and I have quite limited resources so I do what I can.
[01:01:56] <PetefromTn_> I did not say EVERYONE is a hobbyist I said MOST of them are...
[01:01:58] <zeeshan|2> i guess im not _most_ people then
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[01:02:20] <zeeshan|2> to me its more than a hobby
[01:02:29] <PetefromTn_> as it is to me....
[01:02:31] <zeeshan|2> every bit of experience i gain from messing around with this stuff
[01:02:38] <zeeshan|2> i can apply to real industrial applications
[01:02:47] <zeeshan|2> thats why i've tried to learn as many cad software was possible
[01:02:50] <PetefromTn_> why do you think I accepted this temporary job?
[01:02:57] <zeeshan|2> cause at the end of the day, its just a 'cad' modeler
[01:03:04] <PetefromTn_> I have learned a TON just in the last two weeks...
[01:03:31] <zeeshan|2> tell me why you think they use mastercam
[01:03:33] <zeeshan|2> and not cambam
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[01:03:53] <PetefromTn_> Cmon' man get real... You and I both know the answer to that.
[01:04:06] <zeeshan|2> no i don't
[01:04:15] <zeeshan|2> if i take your perspective
[01:04:21] <zeeshan|2> companies should never be spending money on software
[01:04:24] <zeeshan|2> and should be using cambam
[01:04:26] <PetefromTn_> There are folks who think mastercam is a joke... but it is a great program regardless..
[01:04:39] <zeeshan|2> mastercam is a joke to people who don't understand how to use it
[01:04:50] <zeeshan|2> just like most people think linux is retarded because of how hard it is to use
[01:05:01] <zeeshan|2> so i take peoples opinions very lightly.
[01:05:15] <PetefromTn_> No actually it is a joke to folks who use it... Lots of comments made about it on pro forums all the time.
[01:05:28] <zeeshan|2> so why do they keep using it
[01:05:30] <zeeshan|2> when its so bad?
[01:05:36] <zeeshan|2> why not use cambam
[01:05:39] <PetefromTn_> Usually by folks who have switched to another Cam...
[01:05:54] <PetefromTn_> Because it is NOT bad. Just old looking UI.
[01:06:01] <zeeshan|2> i really don't think mastercam is the best
[01:06:06] <PetefromTn_> CamBam is quite limited in comparison.
[01:06:06] <zeeshan|2> i think nx cam is the best
[01:06:16] <zeeshan|2> nx has some sexy toolpaths for hard machining
[01:06:20] <PetefromTn_> and you use mastercam and know it apparently.
[01:06:23] <XXCoder2> so far theres no free cam. too bad
[01:06:42] <zeeshan|2> XXCoder2: the thing is you don't even need a camsoftware
[01:07:02] <zeeshan|2> just go back to the good old days and write g-code by hand :)
[01:07:03] <XXCoder2> I know, can write gcode directly. I has zero skill.
[01:07:06] <PetefromTn_> I disagree..
[01:07:25] <zeeshan|2> i mean for basic stuff you dont even need a camsoftware
[01:07:49] <XXCoder2> it's just another language I can learn, but I hate weird abstract naming system. Maybe I should write a higher level language that compiles into gcode.
[01:07:50] <PetefromTn_> I have been hand coding stuff at the shop I am working in because I do not know mastercam yet.
[01:08:05] <PetefromTn_> but it is a PIA compared to even my simple CamBam.
[01:08:10] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: i still want to know why you think the shop is using mastercam
[01:08:23] <PetefromTn_> I already told you.
[01:08:39] <zeeshan|2> you just said that you and me both know the answer
[01:08:42] <PetefromTn_> Most of the shops around here use it.
[01:08:43] <zeeshan|2> but im telling you, i dont know the answer
[01:08:47] <zeeshan|2> yea, but why?
[01:08:55] <zeeshan|2> are they addicted to wasting money
[01:08:59] <PetefromTn_> probably because it has been used for years now..
[01:09:10] <zeeshan|2> still doesn't explain the fact that why people swap from mastercam
[01:09:12] <zeeshan|2> and go to nx
[01:09:19] <PetefromTn_> you yourself admitted there are better programs...
[01:09:37] <zeeshan|2> i agree
[01:09:57] <zeeshan|2> if you're running a production line and every second counts
[01:09:58] <XXCoder2> this nx cam? http://www.plm.automation.siemens.com/en_us/products/nx/for-manufacturing/cam/index.shtml
[01:10:07] <zeeshan|2> XXCoder2: yes
[01:10:11] <XXCoder2> ok
[01:10:17] <zeeshan|2> you know why nx rocks?
[01:10:26] <zeeshan|2> you can do cam and cad
[01:10:29] <zeeshan|2> right within the software
[01:10:34] <PetefromTn_> actually a production line has less need for it than a job shop I think....
[01:10:38] <zeeshan|2> if you change a hole location
[01:10:41] <zeeshan|2> the g-code automatically updates
[01:10:46] <zeeshan|2> to account for that new hole location
[01:10:57] <zeeshan|2> i know you can do that with the mastercam plugin for solidworks
[01:10:57] <XXCoder2> that feature set - $3,000 or more I bet
[01:10:58] <PetefromTn_> yes I am aware..
[01:11:00] <zeeshan|2> but its a lot harder to work
[01:11:22] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: when i say production line, i mean limited batches of things
[01:11:23] <XXCoder2> I cant find pricing info - $10,000+.
[01:11:30] <zeeshan|2> XXCoder2: its about 20,000$
[01:11:31] <PetefromTn_> would you believe my sheetcam does that.....
[01:11:34] <zeeshan|2> for the entire package
[01:11:40] <XXCoder2> zee see, I'm presicent
[01:12:02] <XXCoder2> I can tell pricing merely from website design
[01:12:12] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: any cam software these days can easily do 2d stuff
[01:12:22] <zeeshan|2> tis when you get into multiaxis (>3 axis)
[01:12:30] <zeeshan|2> when some of the others shine.
[01:12:36] <PetefromTn_> sure..
[01:12:38] <zeeshan|2> XXCoder2: haha
[01:13:01] <zeeshan|2> i mean siemens is the turbine company
[01:13:20] <zeeshan|2> they've done extensive studies on tool path generation for turbines and propeller blades
[01:13:32] <zeeshan|2> to increase productivity, decrease residual machining stresses
[01:13:34] <zeeshan|2> etc
[01:13:49] <zeeshan|2> wouldn't it make more sense to use their software if you're trying to make turbines?
[01:13:53] <zeeshan|2> or impellers
[01:13:58] <PetefromTn_> I don't understand why you feel the need to argue about how amazing and powerful these top line programs are...nobody here including me is disagreeing with you.
[01:14:13] <zeeshan|2> cause i really think, if you're going to learn a software
[01:14:22] <zeeshan|2> you might as well invest the time to learn an industry standard one
[01:14:26] <zeeshan|2> if you had learned mastercam
[01:14:31] <XXCoder2> yeah $20,000 is $19,850 more than I am prepured to pay for cam
[01:14:31] <zeeshan|2> you'd be worth more
[01:14:44] <PetefromTn_> even if you have NO HOPE of ever affording it?
[01:14:45] <XXCoder2> hell my car pricing you can buy 10 of my car at that software price
[01:14:49] <zeeshan|2> and its relatively easy to get student versions of it
[01:14:51] <zeeshan|2> very very easy
[01:14:53] <zeeshan|2> that arent illegal
[01:14:56] <zeeshan|2> when you're trying to learn
[01:15:09] <XXCoder2> when software costs 10x my car I rather buy better car
[01:15:15] <PetefromTn_> Again this is assuming one would WANT To make a career from CNC...
[01:15:29] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: this is my mentality
[01:15:40] <PetefromTn_> Why do you think I asked you to send me the videos of mastercam?
[01:15:52] <zeeshan|2> let me try to think of a good example
[01:15:55] <PetefromTn_> I want to learn to use it so I can make more money if I work for someone else...
[01:16:14] <PetefromTn_> But for what I do here in MY shop what I am using is MORE than adequate.
[01:16:48] <zeeshan|2> i can't think of a good example
[01:16:49] <zeeshan|2> :p
[01:16:50] <PetefromTn_> I agree that learning a top line program is better than learning a cheap or free one...
[01:16:56] <PetefromTn_> Let me ask you this quesion?
[01:17:01] <zeeshan|2> yea
[01:17:21] <PetefromTn_> there are folks who make a GREAT living doing computer animation and website design right.
[01:17:55] <zeeshan|2> i'd thinkso yes
[01:18:00] <PetefromTn_> and there are specific softwares that are perfect for that work that are quite expensive.
[01:18:17] <PetefromTn_> places like industrial light and magic etc.
[01:18:27] <zeeshan|2> honestly i dont know enough about that stuff
[01:18:39] <zeeshan|2> i just know that you won't find a copy of 'openoffice'
[01:18:42] <zeeshan|2> @ a company
[01:18:47] <PetefromTn_> There is a program called BLender that is capable of much the same thing and it is completely free...
[01:18:48] <zeeshan|2> you'll likely find ms office
[01:18:56] <zeeshan|2> so when you're asking to do something, and dont know how to use it, it sux
[01:19:07] <XXCoder2> blender is pretty good from what I see
[01:20:07] <PetefromTn_> if you can program and draw and make videos in it and learn it well you better believe that if you ever got the chance to work for a company similar to ILM you would be able to move over to the expensive programs relativley easily.
[01:20:31] <zeeshan|2> you prolly wont get hired to begin with
[01:20:37] <zeeshan|2> and if you do, you're lucky
[01:20:46] <zeeshan|2> with the way competition is these days
[01:20:54] <zeeshan|2> most people know the main stream software
[01:21:03] <zeeshan|2> to be competitive, you should know more than one already
[01:21:06] <PetefromTn_> I am here to tell you that even tho I did not learn Cad Cam using Solidworks and Mastercam I have used them both and have been now watching tutorials of Mastercam and MOST of what I learned is very similar if not the same in the expensive programs.
[01:21:26] <zeeshan|2> yes
[01:21:30] <zeeshan|2> because you;re using _basic_ features
[01:21:34] <XXCoder2> its network that gets jobs
[01:21:47] <PetefromTn_> The expensive programs are just more polished and seamless than the cheap or free ones.
[01:21:54] <PetefromTn_> agreed...
[01:22:03] <PetefromTn_> I AM using the basic features.
[01:22:11] <PetefromTn_> but so is the shop I am working in.
[01:22:33] <zeeshan|2> well then i dont understand why theyre using mastercam
[01:22:34] <zeeshan|2> theyre silly
[01:22:55] <PetefromTn_> If I went to work in a shop that made compressor blades as you mentioned earlier there would be a MUCH steeper learning curve if I got in at all...
[01:23:32] <PetefromTn_> they are not silly they are a pro shop that uses industry standard program because it is what everyone else uses.
[01:23:32] <zeeshan|2> at the end of the day, i rather recommend a tool that has more functionality
[01:23:41] <zeeshan|2> can do the basic stuff, and can does advanced stuff
[01:23:45] <PetefromTn_> that is PERFECTLY fine..
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[01:24:15] <zeeshan|2> and since i know them the best
[01:24:19] <PetefromTn_> just don't recommend it to folks who have no interest in working in the field and only need a cheapass cad cam to make their benchtop CNC router to work.
[01:24:24] <zeeshan|2> ofcourse ill perfer working with others and recommending it to others
[01:24:34] <PetefromTn_> and also who have no hope of LEGALLY getting and using the programs.
[01:25:36] <XXCoder2> I'm still waiting on next check to buy cambam lol
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[01:25:47] <PetefromTn_> I recommend CamBam here because for the MONEY and for the applications it works in it is quite capable surprisingly capable for what it is and is a GOOD fit for people who are hobbyists that want a decent cam.
[01:25:50] <zeeshan|2> XXCoder2: thats your choice
[01:25:53] <zeeshan|2> at the end of the day
[01:26:41] <zeeshan|2> this arguement all started with jdh
[01:26:51] <zeeshan|2> wanting a model of bk10
[01:26:54] <zeeshan|2> damn you jdh.
[01:27:15] <zeeshan|2> i had one made of bk 12 and bk 20 in solidworks
[01:27:23] <PetefromTn_> There are other better programs of course and I have not tried them all but the ones I have tried CamBam has got them beat pretty good.
[01:27:23] <zeeshan|2> which he has
[01:27:26] <zeeshan|2> and then you got bitter
[01:27:27] <zeeshan|2> for some reason
[01:27:36] <PetefromTn_> NO actually YOU got bitter...
[01:27:41] <zeeshan|2> yes
[01:27:49] <zeeshan|2> 'beat them pretty good'
[01:27:54] <zeeshan|2> see thats what annoys me about you
[01:28:02] <zeeshan|2> i think its best i just block you
[01:28:08] <zeeshan|2> best way to end this conversation
[01:28:14] <PetefromTn_> why?
[01:28:23] <PetefromTn_> because you disagree with me?
[01:28:52] <PetefromTn_> I quite enjoy talking with you about other stuff...
[01:30:22] <zeeshan|2> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/191112536153?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
[01:30:26] <zeeshan|2> i better win this tommorrow
[01:30:26] <zeeshan|2> !
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[01:31:06] <PetefromTn_> That is nice. Wonder what it costs new?
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[01:37:16] <XXCoder2> dunno, dont know much about that thing
[01:37:55] <zeeshan|2> its a level
[01:38:04] <zeeshan|2> to level your machinery
[01:38:08] <zeeshan|2> frigging archivist has 4 of them
[01:38:14] <zeeshan|2> theyre stupid expensive
[01:38:34] <XXCoder2> hm wouldnt regular level work?
[01:39:27] <zeeshan|2> no not accurate enough
[01:39:51] <zeeshan|2> this one is like 0.0005" over 7" span
[01:40:02] <zeeshan|2> so it can detect the minutest angle error
[01:40:17] <zeeshan|2> you basically stop machine flexing and can also use the level to setup parts
[01:40:28] <zeeshan|2> (reason for leveling right)
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[01:53:25] <PetefromTn_> I need to try to snipe a nice Interapid or Mitu DTI on Ebay here soon.
[01:53:52] <XXCoder2> cars?
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[01:54:15] <PetefromTn_> huh?
[01:54:46] <XXCoder2> ah dial measurement
[01:54:48] <PetefromTn_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/SHARS-030-Travel-0-0005-Dial-Test-Indicator-Universal-Pro-Magnetic-Base-/350840996260?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item51afc0c1a4 Or cheap out and buy this from Shars LOL
[01:54:55] <XXCoder2> that sure looked like car brand names
[01:55:14] <XXCoder2> not bad
[01:55:58] <PetefromTn_> heh yeah Dodge Intrepid and Mitsubishi LOL..
[01:56:13] <XXCoder2> :D
[01:57:07] <PetefromTn_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/SWISS-TYPE-DIAL-TEST-INDICATOR-0-06-GRADE-0005-/350976415532?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item51b7d3172c Hey this looks like a decent chinese copy of the Interapid..
[01:58:02] <XXCoder2> maybe, I dont know enough unfortunately/
[01:59:20] <PetefromTn_> my current DTI is also chinese and it has been pretty decent compared to the expensive ones at work but I LIKE Those interapid ones... Just about three times the price or more.
[02:01:22] <Connor> I think the inside tongs on my digital calipers are out of spec.. I think I might use analog micrometer to verify them...
[02:01:24] <PetefromTn_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mini-Universal-Flexible-Magnetic-Base-Holder-Stand-Dial-Test-Indicator-Tool-/171164861489?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27da388431 LOL check this out... The Chinese DTI on this ebay ad is called a MITUTOGO hehehe man that is AWFULLY close to MITUTOYO I think....
[02:01:45] <jdh> can you drill/tap 0.375 Al for 1/4-20 without losing too much metal?
[02:01:46] <Connor> the outside jaws are on the nose. Cross checked with 1" and 2" calibration
[02:02:21] <Connor> jdh: How do you mean ?
[02:03:17] <PetefromTn_> you asking if you can tap into a piece of .375 thick material with a .25 tap lengthwise then yeah there will not be much material left...
[02:03:41] <PetefromTn_> depending on what the threads hold it might or might not be fine LOL.
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[02:04:34] <tjtr33> nx? the entry from open source ecology says ""Price is "it doesn't matter if you ask or not - you can't afford it". This is what they use to design nuclear submarines. ::
[02:04:35] <PetefromTn_> Connor you can take your standards that came with the mic and set the mic to that width and then check them with the calipers to see what you get.
[02:05:18] <Connor> PetefromTn_: I did that for the outside jaws.. (main ones) and they're dead on.. it's the ones for doing ID that are out of spec..
[02:05:49] <Connor> Can't use the calibration standards that came with the mic to check that.. Will have to use the mic itself.. :)
[02:05:51] <PetefromTn_> That is what you are testing here. Setup the mic on say the 1" standards and lock the mic.
[02:06:23] <Connor> okay.. yea.
[02:06:34] <PetefromTn_> then take the mic and measure that width with the calipers inside between the mic
[02:06:38] <jdh> Pete: right, through the side
[02:06:50] <PetefromTn_> what do the threads hold?
[02:07:02] <jdh> stepper motor mount
[02:07:09] <Connor> 1/4 ?
[02:07:16] <Connor> I would use #10's for that probably.
[02:07:23] <jdh> it's 3/8"
[02:07:28] <PetefromTn_> yeah you might want to go thicker if there is any torque on it.
[02:07:30] <Connor> No 1/4" screw..
[02:07:34] <jdh> yeah
[02:07:35] <Connor> I would use #10 scres..
[02:07:48] <Connor> screews..
[02:07:57] <PetefromTn_> you making ROUND standoffs?
[02:08:07] <jdh> maybe I'll remake it out of 0.25 and bolt it in to the 0.5 instead
[02:08:31] <Connor> Phase II mounts ?
[02:08:34] <Connor> or what ?
[02:08:43] <jdh> X motor mount for the lathe
[02:08:49] <Connor> Oh
[02:08:54] <jdh> but, they all look about the same
[02:09:21] <PetefromTn_> Make some turned standoffs on the lathe from maybe 1/2 inch round stock?
[02:10:07] <PetefromTn_> Mitutogo.... that's hilarious.
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[02:13:05] <PetefromTn_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/SHARS-Hydraulic-Magnetic-Base-Fine-Adjustment-1-Dial-Indicator-001-NEW-/350840363724?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item51afb71acc These actually look decent.
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[02:16:17] <tjtr33> what part is hydraulic?
[02:18:02] <PetefromTn_> Well if it is anything like the Noga models the rods have hydraulics in them. You loosen that big knob and everything is slackened up and you can basically move everything in any direction. Then you get it close and tighten slightly to where there is some tension and get your DTI close and then once it is where you want it tighten the knob and it locks everything down tight.
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[02:18:31] <PetefromTn_> Then finally there is a find adjustment that swings in an arc so you can bring the DTI to bear against the surface you are trying to test.
[02:19:11] <tjtr33> ok, the ball socket gets tensioned by the joint knob. duh, ok
[02:19:15] <PetefromTn_> I tried one at work the NOGA brand the other day the guy just got and it is pretty nice. MUCH easier than the dual locking setup of my old style ones.
[02:20:01] <PetefromTn_> it is also easy to get it set for a kinda loose tension for moving it where you need it and then locking it down. Pretty sweet I never used one before..
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[02:24:07] <humble_sea_bass> when I got a noga i was overwhelmed and my eyes watered up
[02:25:12] <humble_sea_bass> it was like I was a neanderthal banging rocks, and then... the future
[02:25:18] <PetefromTn_> LOL they are nice...
[02:25:44] <PetefromTn_> do you really have one?
[02:26:40] <humble_sea_bass> yeah, one that fits on the spindle and another on a base.
[02:27:17] <PetefromTn_> they are like $150 for the mag base ones dunno about the spindle ones... is the spindle one hydraulic as well>
[02:28:06] <humble_sea_bass> i didn't know that is how they worked, i just got a deal on them a few months ago from a dealer here
[02:28:21] <humble_sea_bass> well, got a deal on the spindle one, 55 bux
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[02:29:26] <R2E4_> evening folks!
[02:29:51] <PetefromTn_> I did not know either.. I always figured they were just similar with locks on each joint that maybe were not visible in the pictures. Then I played with his new Noga and it is real sweet. I cannot tell you how many times I fought with my cheapass one on the lathe trying to measure runout but the damn arms would not cooperate or the locks refused to move smoothly.
[02:29:59] <PetefromTn_> Evening R2
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[02:38:44] <R2E4_> howz it going?
[02:38:51] <R2E4_> Tool changer?
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[02:41:20] <tjtr33> hmmm nogas are nice but you gotta mention the indicol, damn handy, and as stiff as your spindle. tram edges and bores
[02:42:16] <PetefromTn_> oh yeah you got one of those? Which models...
[02:42:42] <tjtr33> dunno, bought it in 1970 as an apprentice, theeres differnt models?
[02:43:11] <PetefromTn_> I dunno.. dont have one.
[02:43:29] <tjtr33> std tool for bport work
[02:43:49] <tjtr33> maybe not so good for cnc spindle
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[02:44:32] <PetefromTn_> yeah just searched it on ebay yeah that is for bport spindle style setup apparnetly you could probably attach it to other spindles tho. Would not work I think on my Cincinatti.
[02:45:07] <tjtr33> heh you need a bigass indicol
[02:45:08] <PetefromTn_> Zeeshan posted a pic of a hydraulic one that goes in the spindle yesterday that looked like a NOGA for a good price but I can't find it.
[02:48:16] <tjtr33> http://www.use-enco.com/1/1/32065-nf1018-noga-magnetic-indicator-base-accessories.html
[02:49:14] <PetefromTn_> Damn that is pretty good price...
[02:49:29] <PetefromTn_> Wish I was not so damn broke all the time I would order some of this better stuff LOL.
[02:49:39] <PetefromTn_> Need to get some work in here for the mill so I can do that.
[02:49:46] <tjtr33> never had a co-ax but wished i did many times http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/291094551571?lpid=82
[02:49:47] <XXCoder2> lol money everyone always wants more
[02:49:51] <humble_sea_bass> pete thats the one I gots for the spindle
[02:50:33] <PetefromTn_> I have a coaxial Indicator for my spindle, just like that one. Chinese made but it works okay.
[02:50:54] <PetefromTn_> humble_sea_bass NICE man.
[02:51:09] <tjtr33> nice, ive often has a couple dowel pins or holes as reference for rework
[02:51:52] <PetefromTn_> yeah that is what I bought it for.
[02:52:14] <PetefromTn_> It is also nice for picking up OD of parts in the mill vertically.
[02:52:44] <tjtr33> yah, better than i regular indicator and a skirt check. to easy to make a mistake in a mirror
[02:53:01] <PetefromTn_> When I got mine the shaft it rides on the end had runout.
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[02:53:50] <PetefromTn_> I took it apart and turned it in the lathe smaller and got it much better. now it spins nice and smooth.
[02:55:28] <PetefromTn_> But honestly a GOOD DTI on a nice rigid arm is probably just as good.
[02:55:43] <tjtr33> i got a bit more plaster & lath to take down, bbl
[03:04:04] <R2E4_> Reoaired my coolant pan today.
[03:04:32] <PetefromTn_> how did you wind up doing it?
[03:04:35] <R2E4_> jeez. repaired my coolant pan today.
[03:04:58] <zeeshan|2> hey guys
[03:05:05] <zeeshan|2> any ideas for organizing taps and drill bits?
[03:05:16] <zeeshan|2> i have tons of like 1/4 taps for some reason
[03:05:24] <zeeshan|2> so making 1 indexer isnt an option
[03:05:42] <R2E4_> Weled panels to fixthe small holes. two of them. Then coated it with special epoxy, and paint.
[03:05:44] <humble_sea_bass> make an indexer and put away extras
[03:05:46] <zeeshan|2> like my taps go like 15x1/4-20
[03:05:56] <zeeshan|2> then like 4x 3/8
[03:06:04] <zeeshan|2> so the quantity varies
[03:06:12] <zeeshan|2> humble_sea_bass: nice idea but where do i keep the extras
[03:06:14] <PetefromTn_> nice that is how I did it too... works great so far.
[03:06:21] <R2E4_> I put all my taps, andI have hundreds in a metal box. That way, I know where they all are.
[03:06:22] <zeeshan|2> same thing happens with my drill bits
[03:06:33] <zeeshan|2> R2E4: mine are kinda shoved in one drawer of the toolbox
[03:06:37] <R2E4_> When I need them I rummage through until I find the one I need. Works every time.
[03:06:39] <zeeshan|2> but its a pain in the butt to find the right sze
[03:06:44] <PetefromTn_> I keep all my endmills, drills, and taps in my roll around.
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[03:07:26] <humble_sea_bass> http://www.planomolding.com/subCategory.php?CID=136
[03:07:32] <PetefromTn_> I use some soft liners and try to keep them in some kinda order.
[03:07:35] <humble_sea_bass> I use these for things which are extra
[03:07:37] <zeeshan|2> humble i have those
[03:07:40] <zeeshan|2> but they wont store all of em
[03:08:03] <R2E4_> Plastic??? Been there, done that. plastic breaks.
[03:08:03] <zeeshan|2> you know what'd be nice?
[03:08:11] <zeeshan|2> putting dividers in the toolbox
[03:08:15] <humble_sea_bass> dude, you won't need more than one tap at any given moment
[03:08:30] <humble_sea_bass> these planos have adjustable dividers
[03:09:49] <PetefromTn_> At work they have an old metal case that was used to hold plans or maps...
[03:10:06] <PetefromTn_> They made plywood inserts for them and machined lots of pockets in them.
[03:10:07] <humble_sea_bass> a flat file?
[03:10:10] <R2E4_> Must have put 30 gallons of water ion coolant tank.
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[03:10:27] <zeeshan|2> humble i understand that iwont need more than 1 tap
[03:10:29] <PetefromTn_> They keep the taps and endmills organized in those wide deep drawers..
[03:10:34] <R2E4_> Not putting a drop of coolant in it until tomorrow. See if itleaks. Lost a ton of coolant last time.
[03:10:35] <zeeshan|2> you're saying just throw the extras in one big box?
[03:11:03] <PetefromTn_> R2E4 Yeah that is what I did.. left it overnight with just water in it sitting outside.
[03:11:05] <XXCoder2> pete yeah thats what I suggested zee last time. just grab some wood strip put holes in em for bits
[03:11:32] <XXCoder2> very cheap
[03:11:40] <PetefromTn_> yeah that works too but these are actually rectangular pockets in a pattern.
[03:11:54] <PetefromTn_> all the bits lay flat in the shallow drawers.
[03:12:05] <zeeshan|2> heres another one
[03:12:09] <PetefromTn_> You can open a drawer and view probably a couple hundred bits.
[03:12:09] <zeeshan|2> how do you organize the reamers?
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[03:12:44] <XXCoder2> I guess one could cnc a pattern on some lamted wood sheet to hold all kinds of bits.
[03:12:47] <XXCoder2> exact shapes
[03:13:01] <humble_sea_bass> throw the extras into a neatly organized segregated big box
[03:13:09] <humble_sea_bass> cold storage if you will
[03:13:26] <zeeshan|2> i'll forget about em :{
[03:13:32] <PetefromTn_> yeah that is what they did. Looks nice and clean, holds tons of bits.
[03:13:37] <zeeshan|2> today i found some wrenches that ididnt even know i had
[03:13:45] <humble_sea_bass> you don't keep a hard copy index of your tool locations
[03:13:46] <humble_sea_bass> what
[03:13:55] <zeeshan|2> nope
[03:14:05] <zeeshan|2> each drawer is labeled
[03:14:07] <humble_sea_bass> well, come back when you stop being a criminal
[03:14:12] <R2E4_> I got two jobs sitting on mybridgeport. hehe, dont want toknownothing about them until myvmc isworking....lol
[03:14:24] <zeeshan|2> huh
[03:14:35] <XXCoder2> did I miss something? criminial?
[03:14:53] <PetefromTn_> he was kidding with zeeshan.
[03:15:01] <XXCoder2> lol ok
[03:15:10] <humble_sea_bass> I am likening his inability to log what tools he owns to a felony
[03:15:51] <zeeshan|2> well humble_sea_bass chances are if i forget about them
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[03:15:56] <zeeshan|2> theyre prolly not needed =D
[03:15:56] <PetefromTn_> that bridgie of yours looks nice man. There is a guy near me who has a small shop that has one he wanted me to retrofit it for him.
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[03:16:06] <XXCoder2> I probably would start off with just 3 bits - ballnose, flat and that fine finisher thingy (very thin cone with flat bottom)
[03:16:16] <humble_sea_bass> i hate buying things twice is all
[03:16:25] <XXCoder2> maybe cone type one for nice effects.
[03:16:34] <R2E4_> IT would be a really retrofit. I am waiting until m,y original bridgeport control dies toretrofit it.
[03:16:40] <R2E4_> I think it will outlive me.
[03:16:41] <PetefromTn_> always nice to have spare bits for when you screw up
[03:17:13] <XXCoder2> guys is there such a thing as physical store that sells 8020 beams and such?
[03:17:14] <humble_sea_bass> I also like to know I have spares
[03:17:27] <PetefromTn_> That thing is HEAVY!! I think it is a series 2 model with the rigid head.
[03:17:48] <humble_sea_bass> a store? doubt it
[03:18:06] <XXCoder2> yeah doubted it. too bad, would save bunch on shipping.
[03:18:35] <humble_sea_bass> well, check electrical supply house
[03:18:38] <R2E4_> The series 2 is heavier thant the series 1
[03:19:20] <PetefromTn_> which one is yours?
[03:20:46] <R2E4_> I have a series 1 with boss 9. Servos.
[03:20:47] <zeeshan|2> http://www.ebay.com/itm/112-Plastic-Boxes-Organize-Small-Parts-Hobby-Hardware-/350416067776?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item51966cdcc0
[03:20:49] <zeeshan|2> this looks
[03:20:52] <zeeshan|2> like the right way!
[03:21:17] <PetefromTn_> I saw pictures of it on your facebook page you linked here.
[03:21:22] <R2E4_> My VMC iscomingalonmg. I ran gcode all day today. Messing around, with no issues at all.
[03:21:24] <PetefromTn_> Looks like a nice machine.
[03:21:37] <PetefromTn_> excellent.
[03:21:53] <PetefromTn_> is your spindle working?
[03:21:55] <R2E4_> I am attempting to run my spindle tomorrow.
[03:22:09] <XXCoder2> R2E4_: any updated pics of machine?
[03:22:15] <XXCoder2> or still look same?
[03:22:18] <R2E4_> I think I have it figured out.
[03:22:23] <PetefromTn_> You get that working you can make those parts on the VMC without the toolchanger.
[03:22:40] <R2E4_> yeah I know....hehe
[03:23:16] <R2E4_> looks the same, except it is working....hehe
[03:23:45] <R2E4_> I woke up at 5 this morning, couldnt go back to sleep so I wnet to the she shop andstarted working onthe machine.\
[03:23:51] <XXCoder2> lol ok
[03:24:13] <R2E4_> I am at a point where everything I donow, shows up as something else working.
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[03:24:41] <PetefromTn_> I have been kinda lazy today. MEANT to work on the machine but spent time with family inside instead. Not gonna get it done like that I know I know.
[03:24:59] <XXCoder2> meh always worthwhile to be with family sometimes.
[03:25:17] <R2E4_> well, you gots to keep them happy too.
[03:25:33] <zeeshan|2> machines can be replaced
[03:25:34] <zeeshan|2> family cant
[03:25:34] <zeeshan|2> ;p
[03:25:39] <PetefromTn_> My wife has been gutting all the closets and cleaning up and purgins stuff in case we sell the house to move.
[03:25:49] <R2E4_> MAchines listen toyou, family dont....
[03:25:51] <PetefromTn_> exactly right..
[03:26:10] <XXCoder2> I am currently considering bumping off some of my other hobby to fund cnc
[03:26:18] <zeeshan|2> XXCoder2: whats your other hobby
[03:26:27] <XXCoder2> its not like I have been playing with them lately
[03:26:33] <humble_sea_bass> don't say blow
[03:26:36] <zeeshan|2> haha
[03:26:37] <XXCoder2> I generally collect lego
[03:26:39] <R2E4_> Please dont say dolls.
[03:26:42] <zeeshan|2> ROFL
[03:26:47] <XXCoder2> does minifigs count?
[03:26:54] <PetefromTn_> I am considering selling some other tools to fund some better machininst tools.
[03:27:01] <zeeshan|2> my other hobby is my rx7
[03:27:06] <zeeshan|2> but lately i dont enjoy it as much
[03:27:13] <zeeshan|2> its more fun building stuff
[03:27:17] <XXCoder2> I wont sell few of my riciously rare lego stuff lol
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[03:27:28] <XXCoder2> prototype ghost in red and black lol
[03:27:32] <zeeshan|2> back to organizing garage
[03:27:33] <zeeshan|2> =/
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[03:28:08] <PetefromTn_> Watching Jet Li's Fearless... Love this movie.
[03:28:43] <R2E4_> PetefromTn_: I see I will be ok, up untill toolchanger. I will need to kfind help with it I think cause I will have to do a Y mpove during toolchange.
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[03:29:43] <PetefromTn_> R2E4 You and me both man. That part is most complex. I could not do it at all without help from the folks here and Connor. I am gonna owe him big time when it gets workign LOL.
[03:29:48] <R2E4_> All buttons are working on my control panel. Including pause/resume and cycle start
[03:30:24] <R2E4_> I see he is writing code for yours. I wont beable to do that.
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[03:30:53] <PetefromTn_> I would think it will be usable for you since your setup will be kinda similar
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[03:31:28] <R2E4_> Your Z ismoving during change right?
[03:31:37] <PetefromTn_> yeah hopefully...
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[03:32:41] <R2E4_> My Y needs to move. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmvUlqs67dk
[03:32:54] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know I saw the video the other day.
[03:33:51] <PetefromTn_> it is different from mine but the movement happens at the same time as mine needs to.
[03:34:22] <PetefromTn_> I suppose if we can find a way to move the Z to a certain two points moving the Y should be a simple change.
[03:34:55] <PetefromTn_> Mine has a toolchange height as well as a safe height above the tool shank.
[03:35:09] <R2E4_> yeah, thats probably true. You Z axis 2?
[03:35:34] <PetefromTn_> yeah axis number 2
[03:36:18] <R2E4_> My Z needs to beat machine Z0, so that is kind of easy. Then I have to interlock the Z and X so they dont move and start the toolchange.
[03:36:44] <R2E4_> Whats bizarre is it goes pas the home, then past the limit switch.
[03:38:16] <PetefromTn_> huh did not consider the interlocking necessity but on that machine it might be.
[03:38:47] <PetefromTn_> Of course my machine the X and Y can do pretty much whatever they wanted during a toolchange and it would not matter for the most part.
[03:39:00] <R2E4_> There is a fourth switch on the Y, after the limit, that is called interlock.
[03:40:07] <R2E4_> When it is on that switch, I'll just disable X and Z motion.
[03:41:07] <R2E4_> My Z is on my Y axis. your Z is stationary? You table moves X and Y?
[03:41:19] <PetefromTn_> yeah...
[03:42:15] <R2E4_> I cant get over how smooth my axis's are, even at 350ipm.
[03:42:33] <PetefromTn_> AC servos rock huh...
[03:43:14] <R2E4_> yeah, I ranmy Y back and forth must have been a hundred times and it repeated within .0005 all day.
[03:44:05] <R2E4_> The repeatability is amazing.
[03:44:49] <PetefromTn_> it is a shame you were not able to use the machine before with the original control so we could hear how it differs with linuxCNC.
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[03:47:08] <R2E4_> Your using CamBam?
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[03:47:26] <PetefromTn_> yeah it is all I can afford right now...
[03:48:01] <R2E4_> The emc2 post for my Cam software doesnt have toolchange possibility built in.\
[03:48:11] <R2E4_> I will probably go with CamBam.
[03:48:21] <PetefromTn_> thats wierd..
[03:48:49] <PetefromTn_> It is really just the M6 call and compensation. Are you sure it cannot be added to your post?
[03:49:17] <PetefromTn_> what software is it?
[03:49:19] <R2E4_> IT canbe added, I just dont know what it needs other than the M6 call.
[03:49:28] <R2E4_> Aspire
[03:49:46] <PetefromTn_> do you use cutter compensation with it?
[03:49:51] <R2E4_> I am using it for my bridgeport. I had to modify it for the bridgeport also.
[03:50:10] <R2E4_> on my router yes.
[03:50:18] <PetefromTn_> Thats typical.. each control likes to see certain things.
[03:50:58] <XXCoder2> just letting ya guys know - if using cambam and openscam (heh) don't use tool #0 index in cambam, openscam starts at tool #1 and "default" dont work
[03:50:59] <PetefromTn_> Does your code call the next tool with TX M6 G43 HX?
[03:51:38] <PetefromTn_> Did not know you could use tool zero in CamBam.. interesting.
[03:51:40] <R2E4_> I'd have to check. Not with the emc2 post....lol
[03:51:55] <XXCoder2> pete or "undefined" tool I guess
[03:52:31] <PetefromTn_> The CamBam post for EmC2 is pretty limited as well we had to tweak it a bunch to get it to do what I wanted and I am sure it will need further tweaking once the toolchanger is working.
[03:52:40] <XXCoder2> my smiley face toolpath didnt work in openscam due to this. bit was way too small and not long enough so it magically hollowed block out lol
[03:53:18] <R2E4_> There is allways this one. http://heeks.net/
[03:53:25] <XXCoder2> that'd be day, cnc magically controlling bit thats not even attached and floating. that'd allow bits to hollow out wood
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[03:53:42] <XXCoder2> heeks dont work for me. it crashes when I change stuff
[03:53:56] <XXCoder2> wood or whatever material
[03:54:57] <PetefromTn_> Ichgucklive uses Heeks I think at least he has some youtube videos about it.
[03:55:17] <XXCoder2> I dont know why heeks dont run well on my pc
[03:55:31] <R2E4_> There must be a reason.
[03:55:42] <XXCoder2> it forcecloses each time I modify stuff like move circles
[03:55:50] <XXCoder2> I was trying to make smiley face in it
[03:56:02] <R2E4_> too much lego and doll porn on your cpomputer.
[03:56:08] <PetefromTn_> LOL
[03:56:13] <XXCoder2> lol
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[03:57:55] <R2E4_> There nmust bea toolchanging post for Linuxcncand CamBam.
[03:58:19] <XXCoder2> dunno but you can define tool each section? of cuts
[03:58:27] <XXCoder2> like part 1, so on
[03:58:30] <PetefromTn_> honestly the toolchange part I think is just the tool callout with M6...
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[03:59:02] <R2E4_> and iot waits for a return?
[03:59:24] <PetefromTn_> the only difference is the control will either use an auto tool change or the control will ask you to insert the new tool .
[03:59:41] <PetefromTn_> All that happens in the linuxCNC control has not much to do with the cam really.
[04:00:37] <PetefromTn_> yeah the control waits to continue either when you insert a new tool and hit cycle start again or the Control itself says the toolchange is completed.
[04:01:14] <PetefromTn_> or rather not cycle start it asks you to insert the next tool and click okay actually....
[04:01:37] <PetefromTn_> either way the control waits for the toolchange to happen before continuing with the program.
[04:02:30] <PetefromTn_> I wonder if your control toolchanger was a random one since it is the more advanced vertical rotary like the Haas VF8 at the shop I work in.
[04:03:11] <R2E4_> I noticed when you cycle start, and it finishes, if you hit cycle start again, it wont ask you for again for a tool, it will just go.
[04:04:12] <R2E4_> Yes, it said random tool changer type. Dont knwowhat that means but itsays itinthe docs...lol
[04:04:17] <PetefromTn_> only if the tool in the spindle is the first one in the program. also if the tools called for in the program are in the tool table if not it will tell you that and say the tool is not in the table.
[04:04:58] <PetefromTn_> It means that basically the machine can load any tool in any pocket and pick it up from any point as I understand it.
[04:04:59] <R2E4_> I dont have anything in my tool table now. IT is empty default.
[04:05:25] <PetefromTn_> did the program you ran have a single tool?
[04:05:40] <R2E4_> yeah I figured it was somethinglike that. I had to add an index as per JT and andy said I wouldneed it.
[04:05:52] <R2E4_> Yeah, it was only onetool.
[04:06:20] <PetefromTn_> I think if it is only one tool it assumes that tool is in the spindle or something and just runs thru.
[04:06:50] <PetefromTn_> If you load a program with more than one tool and the other tools are not in the table it will tell you that.
[04:06:52] <R2E4_> yeah, thats what itdid.
[04:07:35] <PetefromTn_> I dunno how a random setup would work or if it is even possible in linuxCNC..
[04:07:48] <R2E4_> In a smart ass way? " Hey dumbass, the tool you are trying to use is not in the tool table."
[04:08:27] <R2E4_> I think pretty much anythingis possible inLinuxCNC.
[04:08:49] <PetefromTn_> no I don't remember the actual wording but basically when you try to load the code into the control it kinda proof reads it and if the tool is not in the table it lets you know.
[04:09:15] <PetefromTn_> I think so too if you know how to program this stuff....
[04:09:37] <PetefromTn_> It seems like there are multiple ways of doing most things.
[04:10:33] <R2E4_> yeah, I think the second time around would be easier. Every step of the way, I had to stop search read and scratch my head before I could get it top work.
[04:10:42] <R2E4_> Sometimes ask help here.
[04:12:09] <R2E4_> I gotta run. C you guys tpomorrow.
[04:12:11] <R2E4_> Nite all.
[04:12:18] <PetefromTn_> cya man.
[04:12:27] <PetefromTn_> Gonna get to bed too..
[04:12:36] <PetefromTn_> Nite.
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[08:13:55] <s1dev> my dial indicator is wiggling around in my magnetic base ideas on how to fix it?
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[08:17:48] <archivist> impossible to help without pictures and the dti in my hands
[08:25:37] <s1dev> the indicator has a single mounting hole on the rear like this http://www.controls-group.com/backend/prodotti/img_upload/img_big/1207091137110_82_rear_mount.jpg and it wiggles around that axis
[08:25:44] <s1dev> slightly
[08:28:29] <s1dev> but enough to throw off my reading
[08:29:06] <s1dev> am I better off trying to hold the indicator by the end?
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[08:42:54] <archivist> do the bolt up tight enough, make sure the surfaces are parallel so the bolting pressure is not to one side only
[08:43:40] <archivist> note one side is machined and is the mating side
[08:44:51] <archivist> the other valid mount is the shaft sleeve
[08:45:56] <archivist> this is mounted on that sleeve http://www.archivist.info/cnc/screw_error/IMG_1673_800.JPG
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[13:36:56] <R2E4_> mornin all
[13:38:29] <PetefromTn_> Mornin' R2
[13:40:51] <XXCoder2> morning
[13:40:53] <R2E4_> hehe..... Today is the day of the spindle!!!!
[13:41:10] <R2E4_> Spindlers around the globe unite!!!
[13:41:41] <R2E4_> To celebrate the newly welcom vm40 spindl;e....
[13:42:03] <PetefromTn_> LOL what are you smokin' this morning man hehehe
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[13:43:15] <R2E4_> hehe, hope I am as excited in about three hours.
[13:46:02] <PetefromTn_> I hear that man. Good luck with it.
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[13:47:05] <XXCoder2> I think today being sunday is why even though I woke 2 hours later than usual at 6:40a yet I feel like I woke at usual time at 4:40a for workdays :P
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[13:47:37] <XXCoder2> todays one of those rare workday on weekend, but starts later than usual too lol
[13:48:19] <R2E4_> rare? I get most of my work done on weekends.
[13:48:45] <Loetmichel> XXCoder2: *cough*
[13:48:49] <R2E4_> hey Pete: What kind of vise you have on your machine?
[13:48:52] <Loetmichel> 4:40 wake?
[13:48:58] <XXCoder2> heh my usual workweek is m-f 5:30a-9a or so
[13:49:18] <Loetmichel> at that time i am sleeping about 2 hrs usally ;-)
[13:49:22] <XXCoder2> lol
[13:49:29] <Loetmichel> my workday starts at 0800
[13:49:42] <R2E4_> Mine is 7-5 at ingersol rand, then 5-7 eat withwife, then 7-midnight at my shop.
[13:49:47] <Loetmichel> ... and i manage to sleep in every odd day
[13:50:02] <Loetmichel> and be at the company somwhen between 0830 and 0900 ;-)
[13:50:26] <XXCoder2> flexiable worktime eh loet
[13:50:39] <Loetmichel> no, fied 800 to 1700
[13:50:40] <PetefromTn_> R2E4 I bought one of those inexpensive six inch Shars CNC vises.
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[13:50:58] <Loetmichel> but as the production manager you get cut some slack ;-)
[13:50:59] <PetefromTn_> I do most of my vise work on sacrificial jaws so it works okay.
[13:51:25] <XXCoder2> ah lol lost habit of sleeping in. my alarm setup makes it impossible to ignore alarms lol
[13:51:38] <PetefromTn_> I don't think I am actually ALIVE at 4:40 Am...
[13:51:42] <Loetmichel> XXCoder2: my wife is my alarm
[13:52:03] <Loetmichel> when she is in america or elswhre in the world for her company i regulary sleep in
[13:52:11] <Loetmichel> i hear no alarm clocks
[13:52:18] <XXCoder2> me either
[13:52:31] <Loetmichel> they wake the whole house and i sleep like a baby 30cm from it ;-)
[13:52:32] <XXCoder2> I SEE my alarms going off every morning lol
[13:52:37] <PetefromTn_> My wife is making her world famous Teriyaki Chicken wings marinated for the grill this afternoon. Can't wait til' dinner time.
[13:52:45] <R2E4_> My coolant pan stood the test of time, overnight. no leaks. Will dump some collant in it and mix with the water.
[13:52:58] <PetefromTn_> What coolant are you using?
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[13:53:23] <R2E4_> Cimcool Cimstar 60
[13:53:38] <PetefromTn_> Okay
[13:53:39] <XXCoder2> loet you should try lights alarm clock.
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[13:53:54] <PetefromTn_> I saw one of those on facebook.
[13:54:00] <PetefromTn_> Looks like a good idea.
[13:54:05] <XXCoder2> I use dual 60 watts liughts with my alarm clock. very strong.
[13:54:06] <R2E4_> got 10 gallons free from my friend.
[13:54:07] <PetefromTn_> With my smartphone alarm as backup.
[13:54:58] <PetefromTn_> Oh I thought you were talking about one of those alarm clocks that slowly gradually gets brighter and reaches full brightness at alarm time.
[13:55:06] <XXCoder2> nah lol
[13:55:24] <PetefromTn_> Sounds like a nice way to wake up naturally...
[13:55:29] <R2E4_> Are spindle brakes usually ointhe spindle anddrive?
[13:55:38] <R2E4_> I have no external wiring for it.
[13:56:06] <XXCoder2> yeah I do want to try that too. set it to fully power on minute before my regular alarm clock lights go off
[13:56:11] <R2E4_> The fanuc manual saysnothingabout it.
[13:56:11] <PetefromTn_> I know my kids room is down the hall from my room and if both doors are open when the sun comes up it shines into my room and onto my bed usually waking me up.
[13:56:42] <PetefromTn_> R2E4 Are you sure there is not a big braking resistor somewhere atop the machine?
[13:56:53] <PetefromTn_> It is usually in some kinda protective cage.
[13:57:04] <PetefromTn_> or is that for the Z drive?
[13:57:09] <PetefromTn_> I cannot remember.
[13:57:24] <R2E4_> No, the Z drive brakeI am done with. Working fine.
[13:57:56] <PetefromTn_> I had to add a braking resistor for the spindle and the z drive because I got all new stuff.
[13:58:11] <R2E4_> I am talking spindle drive and servo. There's a servo motor directly attached a 20" spindle
[13:58:46] <R2E4_> The spindl;e and motor is about 39"
[13:58:53] <PetefromTn_> dunno if it is stock it must be there or it did not need it....
[13:59:33] <R2E4_> I can't turn the spindle so the braklemust be on.
[13:59:35] <PetefromTn_> your spindle is direct drive?
[13:59:46] <R2E4_> yes.
[14:00:03] <PetefromTn_> wow that is cool would not have thought it would be on a machine that old..
[14:00:11] <PetefromTn_> what year is it again?
[14:00:21] <R2E4_> 1988
[14:00:45] <PetefromTn_> Interesting.
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[14:01:14] <XXCoder2> upgraded?
[14:01:25] <XXCoder2> I mean previous owner did it?
[14:01:46] <PetefromTn_> How does the power drawbar work then?
[14:03:48] <XXCoder2> allright work time for me laters, be back in few hours, easy work today, only supply one van lol
[14:04:54] <PetefromTn_> what kinda work?
[14:05:38] <R2E4_> Theres no drawbar
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[14:06:11] <PetefromTn_> What taper is it?
[14:06:22] <R2E4_> look what I saw. http://www.ebay.com/itm/1999-HITACHI-SEIKI-VM40J-HIGH-SPEED-VMC-w-CONVERSATIONAL-GRAPHICS-RIGID-TAPPNG-/151264869693?pt=US_Heavy_Equipment&hash=item233816bd3d
[14:06:29] <R2E4_> cat 40
[14:07:10] <R2E4_> I wonder if these machines are worth more now that it has Linuxcnc newer technology.
[14:08:59] <PetefromTn_> Well I know lots of them are for sale because apparently the control is no longer supported. at least that is what I heard. Its a shame I heard they are good machines,
[14:09:38] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/121247011591 only 640 x 480 NOT 5MP, it has a nice easy to mount body and LED's
[14:11:09] <R2E4_> I cpuld do thisretrofit again in less thana month I am sure.
[14:12:24] <R2E4_> Alot of themwere sold in the Montrealarea. Shouldtry and find some customers.... to retrofitthem.
[14:13:10] <R2E4_> I have to find another PC. MyLinuxCNC gui is lockingup. Freezing. but the gcode still runs when it does.
[14:13:35] <CaptHindsight> the used machinery dealers I've talked to don't have any interest in Linuxcnc, they say their customers find it too odd a control system
[14:14:07] <CaptHindsight> nobody will know how to run it
[14:14:29] <R2E4_> The smaller companies that have them wont really have a choice. They cant afford 10,000- 20,000 for a marketcontrol.
[14:14:51] <R2E4_> Thats what service cotnracts are for....:-)
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[14:16:55] <PetefromTn_> Personally while I am sure it would be worth more if the control was more mainstream, I think if you can show the machine works and works well and have a working post setup for it that you can teach someone how to use it it is worth something.
[14:17:20] <CaptHindsight> then again the ones I've talked to are some of the biggest cheapskates, old bridgeports for $, "can you retrofit for $2k?"3-5k
[14:17:28] <PetefromTn_> I did not build mine to sell but I feel that if it is completely working well and someone can post a program to it then it is inherintly worth something.
[14:18:15] <CaptHindsight> certainly
[14:18:31] <R2E4_> I got guys around my garage here, chomping atthe bits waiting for me to finish to run some parts for them.
[14:18:39] <R2E4_> Too expensive to send out to get done.
[14:18:47] <PetefromTn_> I was actually surprised at how much I was able to get for my RF45 CNC running Mach3 and this machine is so much more than that.
[14:19:06] <PetefromTn_> why can't I find that around here man LOL....
[14:20:06] <PetefromTn_> seems like I gotta beg for work around here with the machine sometimes.
[14:20:25] <R2E4_> I'm sure there are shops like that around there. They just dontknow you exist?
[14:20:46] <PetefromTn_> LOL probably...
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[14:22:29] <R2E4_> I have 6 wires to tag and wire up.
[14:22:43] <R2E4_> and some programmingk to get my spindle running.
[14:22:44] <archivist> advertising costs and word of mouth can take years,
[14:24:02] <R2E4_> Yeah, I have a race shop right around the corner, I am not drag bitting their logo on sheet aluminum, so they weld it on their frames and parts on the race cars they are building.
[14:24:19] <R2E4_> I meant to say I am drag bitting.
[14:24:42] <PetefromTn_> you mean diamond drag engraving?
[14:25:46] <R2E4_> yeah
[14:26:02] <PetefromTn_> Sweet doing that on your bridgie or router?
[14:26:05] <R2E4_> no noise, no coolant the easiest money I ever made....hehe
[14:26:10] <R2E4_> both
[14:26:50] <PetefromTn_> Do you have a floating head or what?
[14:27:09] <R2E4_> did 150 of them in about 1.5 hours. Didnt have to cut the aluminum or nothing. Just throw iton and press go.
[14:27:20] <R2E4_> Foating head?
[14:27:57] <PetefromTn_> yeah I made a whole buncha Pontiac Fiero Logos for the guys on the Fiero forum and that was pretty easy but I did have to cut them out too.
[14:28:20] <R2E4_> The bit has a spring in it. So you drive Z into the piece about .1" touch off and away you go.
[14:28:36] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know I need to get one or build one...
[14:28:50] <PetefromTn_> Did you buy or build it?
[14:28:53] <R2E4_> IT does a great job.
[14:29:06] <R2E4_> I bought it.
[14:29:49] <R2E4_> I could make it with my lathe. The tips are only 20.00.
[14:30:11] <PetefromTn_> yeah there are several decent plans online for making one and just buy the commercial tips..
[14:30:20] <uw> hello
[14:30:44] <PetefromTn_> I build a router spindle mount for my Cincinatti so I can also do some high speed relief engraving in aluminum or plastic if necessary.
[14:31:06] <PetefromTn_> Bought a couple nice single flute carbide engraver bits with .020 tips.
[14:34:26] <PetefromTn_> But having a diamond drag would be nice too..
[14:35:34] <R2E4_> http://irmtl.com/LinuxCNC/amp.jpg
[14:36:24] <R2E4_> That was done with a drag bit.
[14:36:46] <R2E4_> Took more time onthe computerthan it did to cut and engrave.
[14:36:58] <PetefromTn_> I am sure. Looks good man.
[14:37:39] <PetefromTn_> I had a guy come to be awhile back that was making some amps and wanted the panels engraved but I had to turn him away because the machine was not ready yet. He found someone else to do it in the mean time unfortunately.
[14:40:03] <R2E4_> I build guitar tube amps.
[14:40:25] <PetefromTn_> You sure have a wide skills set man... Props to you.
[14:41:57] <zeeshan|2> R2E4: is your bridgeport retrofitted?
[14:45:54] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan|2 Actually as I recall he said it was still working with the stock control but he said he would probably retrofit it if it ever dies...
[14:47:51] <CaptHindsight> http://imagebin.org/302704 decent lens but too few pixels
[14:48:38] <archivist> no obvious colour fringes, reasonable
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[14:49:29] <CaptHindsight> archivist: only 0.3MP but advertised at 5MP, it's going back
[14:49:44] <zeeshan|2> archivist: how do you store your tap and dies?
[14:50:26] <archivist> zeeshan|2, not very well, but in plastic draws unless the buggers wont fit
[14:50:48] <zeeshan|2> i realized a plano box takes too much space
[14:51:48] <zeeshan|2> i'm trying to fit it in a 22 7/8 by 10 3/4 drawer by 2" drawer
[14:52:10] <archivist> I spent a few days sorting and cleaning and labelling still ended up with a random over size box
[14:52:21] <zeeshan|2> haha
[14:52:43] <zeeshan|2> archivist: today is the day!
[14:52:45] <zeeshan|2> 10 hours 28 minutes
[14:52:51] <zeeshan|2> for that spi machinist block level =]
[14:53:14] <Loetmichel> R2E4: i do that with a 30° engraving bit
[14:53:59] <Loetmichel> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nx3sT3kQV-8
[14:54:13] <R2E4_> zeeshan|2: No my bridgeport is using the old control it came with. When it dies I will retrofit, but I think it will outlast me.
[14:54:24] <zeeshan|2> ah a boss series bridgeport
[14:54:32] <Loetmichel> looks like this when finished: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14250&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[14:54:40] <archivist> zeeshan|2, draw type in the background http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2013/2013_04_18_Bechler_N.AE/IMG_1529.JPG
[14:55:21] <Loetmichel> (got the wrong paint there, doesent stick too well to the pmma ;-( )
[14:55:24] <R2E4_> Loetmichel: thats awesome. I was leary on using engraving vbit like that.
[14:55:50] <R2E4_> What depth you going?
[14:56:04] <R2E4_> .075?
[14:56:29] <Loetmichel> 0.1mm
[14:56:59] <pcw_home> CaptHindsight: we bought the Supereyes 5 MP 500X one, it seems pretty decent
[14:57:26] <R2E4_> .004?
[14:57:27] <R2E4_> WOW
[14:57:52] <R2E4_> I guess your table is flat.....hehe
[14:58:16] <R2E4_> Hi pcw_home
[14:59:17] <pcw_home> Hi R2E4
[14:59:26] <Loetmichel> ReadError: its a piece of MDF, faced off just before mounting the pmma sheets
[14:59:29] <Loetmichel> grr
[14:59:30] <Loetmichel> R2E4
[14:59:58] <Loetmichel> R2E4: worhs with PCB material also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMXxjT4nNxg
[15:00:20] <Loetmichel> result: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14507&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[15:00:53] <pcw_home> CaptHindsight: the nice thing is it works really well with normal room light (which is good since the built in LEDs are way too blue)
[15:01:38] <R2E4_> cool, just one pass? What buitis it?
[15:01:43] <R2E4_> goit URL?
[15:01:47] <R2E4_> lol
[15:02:45] <R2E4_> http://www.precisebits.com/ precisebits has some nice pcb engraving bits.
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[15:04:11] <CaptHindsight> pcw_home: nice, I was looking at those
[15:05:41] <R2E4_> pcw_home: My fanuc ac spindle servo drive has dry contact inputs for forward and reverse. I have mnop brake woire nor any mention of spindle brake in schematics. Do you think it would bebuiolt into the Fanux drive inthat when it receives a voltage command and direction, it removes the brake, and when it is done applies the brake?
[15:05:52] <pcw_home> we got it mainly for QC pictures for assy house
[15:06:10] <PetefromTn_> I got my engraver bits with 1/4 inch shank and .020 tip from BitsandBits company online. Decent quality.
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[15:07:15] <pcw_home> Probably (plus applies brake only at 0 RPM) . The Fanuc spindle drives are quite fancy
[15:08:37] <CaptHindsight> pcw_home: this was taken with a $25 logitech webcam with an adjustable lens
[15:08:56] <pcw_home> You are lucky yours is old enough not to use Fanucs proprietary serial spindle interface :-)
[15:08:56] <CaptHindsight> http://imagebin.org/302145
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[15:09:25] <CaptHindsight> http://imagebin.org/302136
[15:09:28] <R2E4_> The forward and reverse contacts, I would assume it wont spin without the input.
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[15:10:10] <CaptHindsight> http://imagebin.org/302139
[15:10:14] <PetefromTn_> CaptHindsight Those pics look pretty clean man.
[15:10:21] <pcw_home> CaptHindsight: Thats pretty good
[15:10:41] <PetefromTn_> Last one is a bit washed out tho. Probably can adjust.
[15:10:52] <CaptHindsight> Logitech C270 3MP
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[15:11:53] <pcw_home> R2E4 probably not (doesn't it have a orient input as well?)
[15:11:59] <PetefromTn_> Well turning on the VMC here now to make another part...
[15:12:11] <CaptHindsight> http://www.staples.com/Logitech-HD-Webcam-C270/product_354562&nAID=17588969&KPID=354562
[15:12:59] <PetefromTn_> CaptHindsight IS this for the 3d imagining that was discussed yesterday or for the spindle location setup you were working on?
[15:13:14] <R2E4_> yes, It has an orient input. What would the forward and reverse input do then?
[15:13:35] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: auto ZERO, but you could use them for 3D scanning as well
[15:13:45] <PetefromTn_> Nice...
[15:17:35] <pcw_home> Dont know how orient and for/rev interact
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[15:32:33] <PetefromTn_> Anyone here got a quick spindle warmup program that works well?
[15:35:18] <R2E4_> Where do you tell Linuxcnc the scale for the rpm for the spindle?
[15:35:29] <R2E4_> max rpm.
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[15:38:16] <archivist> zeeshan|2, the real answer http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2014/2014_03_30_tools/IMG_1760.JPG
[15:48:23] <R2E4_> hmmm. I see no spindle enable on the drive schematics.\
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[15:59:09] <humble_sea_bass> hey we solved world hunger
[15:59:11] <humble_sea_bass> http://irclo.gr/i/143154/3D-printed-shoes-by-Recreus-scrunch-up-to-fit-into-pockets_dezeen_ss_6.jpg
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[16:02:09] <zeeshan|2> archivist: i like the 'odd' threads section
[16:03:10] <archivist> I have been collecting thread tables and there are loads of missing there
[16:03:38] <pcw_home> R2E4_ is the spindle analog 0 to +10 (with forward and reverse setting the directions)
[16:04:16] <archivist> anybody seen this type of sine bar before ? http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=sine+bar+pd
[16:04:31] <zeeshan|2> weird looking
[16:04:40] <R2E4_> analog 10v, but I dont know if the sp forward and sp reverse is setting the directions or that isfor orien tation.
[16:05:19] <pcw_home> sounds like you will have to play a bit (unless the manual says)
[16:08:08] <R2E4_> There is a tool unclamp (ready), so when the tool is clamped, they are using that as a type of enable. IT is a maintenance manual, it doesnt really go into that. I have two drawings I have to figure out which one it uses, one uses gdn and other uses 24v.
[16:10:06] <zeeshan|2> http://imgur.com/a/c0Bvo
[16:10:07] <zeeshan|2> last pic
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[16:10:13] <zeeshan|2> anyone know where to buy more pegs for that
[16:10:20] <zeeshan|2> i bought those trays 12 years ago
[16:10:30] <zeeshan|2> i don't remember if it was canadian tire or home depot
[16:10:40] <zeeshan|2> can't find it on either site
[16:10:45] <jdh> who did you rob for the inserts?
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[16:12:02] <zeeshan|2> jdh 60% of them came from that tool haul deal i got
[16:12:06] <zeeshan|2> the rest are from kijiji finds
[16:12:42] <jdh> wtf is a kijiji
[16:12:47] <zeeshan|2> like craigslist
[16:12:49] <zeeshan|2> but better
[16:13:10] <PetefromTn_> That sine bar is interesting, trying to figure out how you shim it up?
[16:14:29] <archivist> under its small foot I think
[16:14:32] <jdh> there are 33 total items listed for sale on kijiji here
[16:14:43] <zeeshan|2> i guess its more of canadian website
[16:15:19] <zeeshan|2> i really need to find more pegs
[16:15:25] <zeeshan|2> couple more sockets left
[16:15:58] <jdh> ucs
[16:15:59] <archivist> cnc..make the pegs
[16:16:01] <jdh> crap
[16:16:04] <zeeshan|2> ucs?
[16:16:08] <zeeshan|2> archivist: lol
[16:16:20] <zeeshan|2> i bought those 3 packs w/ pegs for $8 back in the day
[16:16:29] <zeeshan|2> if i can just find more of them that would be best
[16:17:26] <zeeshan|2> http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_203769_langId_-1_categoryId_255215
[16:17:30] <zeeshan|2> there are some in england!
[16:18:46] <Ag-MEEN> I've a question about home and limit switch configuration in stepconf: what is the difference between "Home X" and "Home + Minimum Limit X?"
[16:19:08] <archivist> oh, there is a store near everyone. including about 4 miles from here
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[16:19:51] <zeeshan|2> is halfords
[16:19:55] <zeeshan|2> like the home depot of uk?
[16:20:34] <archivist> it is the bicycle and car place
[16:20:47] <archivist> often a bit over priced
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[16:23:17] <archivist> other method one sees http://www.machinemart.co.uk/shop/product/details/clarke-cht645-80pc-socket-rail-tray
[16:23:44] <zeeshan|2> i like the peg style cause its more flexible :P
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[16:25:23] <archivist> looks like the local halfords has that in stock
[16:25:39] <zeeshan|2> im gonna try sears, home depot and canadian tire
[16:25:43] <zeeshan|2> i know its from one of those where i got it
[16:25:54] <zeeshan|2> if not, then order from halfords
[16:31:51] <Ag-MEEN> From what I've read so far, it sounds like "Home + Minimum Limit" is what I have on my CNC router: a single momentary switch at the "0" end of the axis. Am I correct?
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[16:40:16] <CaptHindsight> humble_sea_bass: http://phys.org/news180125418.html http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKd56D2mvN0 why not a braille reader that fits on the tongue, no moving parts
[16:41:24] <CaptHindsight> humble_sea_bass: http://www.gizmag.com/nerve-prostheses-interface-scaffolds/21646/ what if these were just under the skin (or possible replacing a small patch of it) and you just stimulate the interface? no bumps or motion required
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[16:51:41] <humble_sea_bass> your tongue is of lower resolution
[16:51:45] <humble_sea_bass> than fingertips.
[16:53:13] <CaptHindsight> is the tongue too low res for text?
[16:54:17] <CaptHindsight> humble_sea_bass: is that why video to the tongue has stalled out?
[16:54:18] <Einar> Archivist: Odd threads? If you can'nt find them here, yes: http://mdmetric.com/thddata.htm But I think you can.
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[16:54:42] <humble_sea_bass> that video to tongue thing has been going around in one way or another for years
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[16:56:33] <humble_sea_bass> my wife says that there are folks who can read actual braille with their tongue, but not fast since the reading speed is developed by running the finger across, which is suboptimal with a squishy tongue and a thing that might be changing flashcard style
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[16:58:37] <archivist> Einar, there quite a few missing from that table :)
[16:58:40] <CaptHindsight> I was thinking of non-invasive interfaces
[17:00:17] <archivist> Einar, eg Elgin watch, Swiss Thury thread
[17:01:19] <CaptHindsight> humble_sea_bass: how about just stimulating the nerves directly in the fingertips electrically?
[17:05:04] <humble_sea_bass> ok just talked to the old lady
[17:05:31] <humble_sea_bass> "it has been found that sigther people, each finger tipped is mapped to drifferent regions of the brain"
[17:06:19] <humble_sea_bass> "in blind individuals, the fingers are fused, and reading braille benefits from dragging serveral fingers acrossthe line"
[17:06:59] <humble_sea_bass> in short, worth testing, but questionable with regards to delivering a stream of text information.
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[17:08:03] <CaptHindsight> i wonder if the wiring/mapping happens during early development based on having sight
[17:09:04] <CaptHindsight> http://web.gc.cuny.edu/cogsci/private/bach-y-rita-tongue.pdf says the tongue is good enough for 49 points
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[17:09:46] <humble_sea_bass> if you come to nyc or boston we should meet up, we have a friend who does reasearch into all this stuff. like the tactile resolution of different parts of the body and how much information yuou can pass through them etc
[17:09:55] <CaptHindsight> that's enough for a dot matrix
[17:10:08] <CaptHindsight> next week
[17:12:08] <marmite> http://t.co/MUSpxCp1Yz ^^
[17:12:16] <humble_sea_bass> the fusing of tactile points of fingertips seems to happen with early blind subjects. she is researching what happens to folks who lose their sight later
[17:12:36] <CaptHindsight> I need to get some brains to hack, difficult to find these days :)
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[17:13:21] <humble_sea_bass> isnt that why we mess with the EMC2 hall
[17:13:23] <humble_sea_bass> hal
[17:15:09] <CaptHindsight> http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/110031-a-bionic-prosthetic-eye-that-speaks-the-language-of-your-brain
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[17:18:24] <humble_sea_bass> those things are funky
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[17:19:11] <humble_sea_bass> kind of like a cochlear for your eyes, but it seems to be contingent on you having seen before and having the neural pathways
[17:20:30] <CaptHindsight> maybe once we start reading baby minds we'll know how much is hardwired and what develops later
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[17:23:34] <Einar> Archivist: Thury Thread looks like BA with 0.001mm resolution?
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[17:33:32] <CaptHindsight> humble_sea_bass: @1:45 http://www.macfound.org/fellows/899/ inject and optogenetic protein in the eye as a non invasive interface
[17:33:39] <CaptHindsight> and/an
[17:34:36] <CaptHindsight> http://physiology.med.cornell.edu/faculty/nirenberg/lab/papers/PNAS-2012-Nirenberg-1207035109.pdf
[17:36:39] <humble_sea_bass> gene therapy is a hot field for curing congenital blindness, results have been mixed so far though
[17:38:05] <CaptHindsight> I wonder why their work has been so quiet? No patents so no interest of under patent and put away for safe keeping
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[17:38:19] <CaptHindsight> of/or
[17:38:53] <humble_sea_bass> like they are http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=leber%27s+congenital+amaurosis+gene+therapy&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart&sa=X&ei=oVY4U7HpLKXesATi7IHIBg&ved=0CDQQgQMwAA
[17:39:29] <humble_sea_bass> I'm sure there are a bunch of medical patents and such. there must be
[17:40:20] <CaptHindsight> again, China for the win
[17:40:59] <humble_sea_bass> its insane, but the hand's off approach just works so much better sometimes
[17:41:19] <CaptHindsight> at some point I wonder if the west is going to go war with China since everything is going to be made there
[17:41:43] <humble_sea_bass> and we forgot how to make things along the way
[17:45:46] <humble_sea_bass> or they can do like germany did to greece and just impose some serious demands
[17:45:59] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3443127/ this is huge
[17:47:04] <CaptHindsight> http://www.pnas.org/content/suppl/2012/08/09/1207035109.DCSupplemental/pnas.201207035SI.pdf#nameddest=STXT
[17:48:58] <humble_sea_bass> it is massive considering that the bulk of people who lose vision due to retinal deneration, those are folks with intact neural pathways
[17:49:36] <CaptHindsight> not just for eyes, pre-processors for the brain
[17:50:41] <CaptHindsight> we had gold based interfaces back the 80's to connect wires with nerves, but we knew that the retinas did some of their own processing
[17:51:26] <humble_sea_bass> it is kind of like the adaptive filters modern choclears have
[17:51:27] <CaptHindsight> REing the encoders and now they have worked out non-invasive interconnects
[17:52:23] <humble_sea_bass> did they just make tiny gold wires and jack them to the nerve endings?
[17:52:32] <CaptHindsight> just about
[17:53:48] <humble_sea_bass> when I was in college I was endlessly entertained by the gold wires coming out of nanomechanical objects and chip packages
[17:55:03] <humble_sea_bass> I thought that it must've been as annoying as soldering DB9 cables but to some exponent
[17:55:04] <CaptHindsight> there so much benefit here but all you hear about is bad drugs and boner pills
[17:55:52] <humble_sea_bass> you make a lot more money selling boners and cholesterol whatevers
[17:56:40] <CaptHindsight> what a sick society when there's little interest due to lack of control and profit
[17:57:50] <humble_sea_bass> I think the bulk of this stuff lives or dies based on some professor getting a grant at a college
[17:57:50] <archivist> Einar, BA was based on it
[18:00:46] <humble_sea_bass> knowledge in america : http://irclo.gr/i/143021/nsb5z5q.gif
[18:01:50] <CaptHindsight> just about everything I research somebody has beaten me to the answer or even patented, they just can't make it
[18:02:42] <humble_sea_bass> I'm a little ignorant about patent law outside of the states, what's the situation in china
[18:02:48] <CaptHindsight> humble_sea_bass: but they block anyone here from using it
[18:03:26] <humble_sea_bass> and what happens if you mke a product there which happens to have patents here as far as distibution is concerned
[18:03:53] <CaptHindsight> sometimes they get the customs dept involved
[18:04:04] <CaptHindsight> like Apple vs Samsung
[18:04:31] <humble_sea_bass> i.e. a clusterfuck
[18:04:34] <CaptHindsight> or if China starts dumping like tapered roller bearings or solar panels
[18:05:19] <CaptHindsight> so I expect people to start traveling to China for $500 livers and kidneys, maybe eyes soon as well
[18:08:10] <CaptHindsight> they have a middle class larger than the entire US right now, selling to the US or the EU will be come more irrelevant
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[18:24:44] <Ag-MEEN> Is this a good place to ask questions about LinuxCNC stepconf setup, or should I post to the forums?
[18:24:53] <CaptHindsight> just ask
[18:26:52] <Ag-MEEN> OK. If I have one switch at opposite ends of my axis, each on a different pin (the home switches are wired in parallel, the max limits in series), should I call one "Home + Minimum Limit" and the other a maximum limit?
[18:28:18] <Ag-MEEN> And since the max limits are wired in series, should I assign them as "Maximum Limit" for an axis? If so, which one, or does it matter?
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[18:54:40] <R2E4_> Ag-MEN: Are you short on inputs?
[18:56:00] <XXCoder2> heh work was longer than expecte. back
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[19:02:16] <Ag-MEEN> R2E4_ I have a limited number of inputs from the mill to the PC, one of which is devoted to E-Stop. I'm using a Gecko G540 to drive the steppers, if that helps.
[19:02:54] <Ag-MEEN> Three inputs for the home switches wired in parallel (X,Y,Z) and the max limit switches are wired in series.
[19:04:57] <Ag-MEEN> If it helps at all, this is the wiring I am using: http://www.overclock.net/t/755828/complete-2-x-3-custom-cnc-router-from-80-20-aluminum-extrusion/100#post_16003471
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[19:07:40] <archivist> have you had a good read of http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/config/ini_homing.html
[19:13:54] <Ag-MEEN> I have, thanks. However, I am working from stepconf wizard.
[19:14:16] <Ag-MEEN> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/2.4/html/config_stepconf.html
[19:14:32] <archivist> I use stepconf just to get motors running then I edit the configs
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[19:18:27] <Ag-MEEN> Yes, I've heard that editing the configs is the way to go if you really want to dial in things exactly. I'm still learning LinuxCNC, so I plan to stick to stepconf until I gain more experience.
[19:19:36] <Ag-MEEN> Still: if I have a single momentary switch on each end, this would be "Home + Minimum Limit" and "Maximum Limit" yes?
[19:20:26] <archivist> no idea
[19:20:38] <archivist> try it and see
[19:21:13] <Ag-MEEN> LOL, yup. Pretty much what I'm down to. :-P
[19:21:36] <R2E4_> Your going to have to edit configs anyway.
[19:22:26] <Ag-MEEN> For basic setup?
[19:23:04] <XXCoder2> 're
[19:23:05] <Tom_itx> it's just gonna happen
[19:23:12] <archivist> we all have differing ideas of basic, including the person writing stepconf :(
[19:24:15] <XXCoder2> yeah. even universial stuff can be basic or not. if you thought figuring what tone sound is should be possible say, it's not basic stuff to everyone
[19:24:24] <XXCoder2> theres tone deaf and just plain deaf
[19:24:48] <Ag-MEEN> I've no doubt I will eventually get under the hood and be editing the config. Right now my experience is with stepconf wizard, so I'm focusing on working within that environment.
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[19:30:19] <R2E4_> Stepcongf wont setuhp your homing for you. You have to decide how you want it to work, and with that you will need to edit the configs. Among other things.
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[19:42:57] <PetefromTn_> Was just looking at the tool table editor here.
[19:43:21] <PetefromTn_> I was kinda thinking about it in terms of how it is different from the Haas Machines
[19:43:40] <PetefromTn_> There is a diameter and Z column for the width and length of the cutter.
[19:43:55] <PetefromTn_> The Haas Machines have another column for each that has wear
[19:44:08] <PetefromTn_> IE there is a length wear setting and a diameter wear setting.
[19:44:49] <PetefromTn_> That way you can setup your cutter based on measurements of the diameter and then add wear offset as it wears in or to creep up on a dimension on a part.
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[19:45:21] <PetefromTn_> How do you guys do this in LinuxCNC? Do you just tweak the diameter or length offsets columns directly or is there another way?
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[19:48:36] <Jymmm> What's the drawbacks of a solid tire on a hand dolly?
[19:50:19] <R2E4_> Less grip in the corners.... hehe
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[19:59:33] <Einar> Jymm: They are heavier. I was scratching my head as I thought you meant the dollies we use to shape panels. :-)
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[20:15:21] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn_, yes
[20:16:24] <Tom_itx> enter the actual values
[20:16:37] <PetefromTn_> yes you tweak those two columns or yes there is another way?
[20:16:53] <Tom_itx> that's why i don't like 3flute cutters
[20:17:11] <Tom_itx> tweak the values
[20:17:12] <PetefromTn_> HUh?
[20:17:20] <PetefromTn_> whats wrong with 3 flute cutters?
[20:17:29] <Tom_itx> hard to mic them for wear
[20:18:09] <PetefromTn_> actually I usually just put in the diameter it is supposed to be maybe minus a couple tenths and then tweak it in..
[20:18:27] <PetefromTn_> based on the cut.
[20:20:17] <PetefromTn_> sure would be nice to have the wear columns in the table so you can keep the actual in there and tweak for programs needs or to creep up on a part and then be able to put it back when done without needing a calculator.
[20:21:04] <Tom_itx> why would you need a calculator for that?
[20:21:13] <PetefromTn_> ;)
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[20:24:33] <Tom_itx> you wouldn't be putting a positive number in those columns anyway
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[20:26:33] <PetefromTn_> you might actually... depending on if you are deep or shallow..
[20:27:05] <PetefromTn_> In the Haas Controls it actually lets you do an add or subtract automatically depending on your input number
[20:27:25] <Jymmm> Einar: Thanks, I heard something about the ride of them, wasn't sure.
[20:27:44] <R2E4_> no spindle turn....:-(
[20:27:51] <PetefromTn_> Damn that sucks...
[20:28:16] <R2E4_> not yet. I'm not sure if LinuxCNC is telling it to turn or not.
[20:28:25] <R2E4_> OR if the drive is ready or not
[20:28:26] <Jymmm> Einar: I have a convertable dolly and loaded it up with firewood. One tire did NOT appreciate that and needs to be replaced =)
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[20:35:58] <R2E4_> motion.spindle.forward get fired when linuxcnc tells the spindle to move in a forward rotation?
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[20:40:36] <R2E4_> I have an SP Forward SP U, I think needs to follow motion.spindle.forward
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[20:45:04] <PetefromTn_> Whats SP U
[20:46:45] <PetefromTn_> rob_h Hey man ya there? POKE!
[20:46:56] <Deejay> hi pete!
[20:47:03] <PetefromTn_> Hey Deejay!!!
[20:47:03] * Deejay waves his hand
[20:47:14] * PetefromTn_ Waves back kindly
[20:47:18] <Deejay> :-)
[20:47:43] <PetefromTn_> Machine is making parts right now man!!
[20:48:03] <Tom_itx> good ones?
[20:48:10] <PetefromTn_> Hoping so LOL...
[20:48:15] <Tom_itx> :)
[20:48:25] <PetefromTn_> Actually it is another version of the rail I made the other day...
[20:49:17] <R2E4_> I have momtion.spindle.forward showing up in pinlist but when I try to attach an poutput, l;inuxcnc spits with motion.spindle.forward does not exist.
[20:49:45] <PetefromTn_> Some folks want Picatinny rails and some want Dovetails so there needs to be a bit more meat on top to creat the picatinny rails body.
[20:50:45] <Ag-MEEN> Success! I now have working home and limit switches. Also learned that the Stepconf Wizard doesn't like to have a negative value in the "to" field of Table Travel
[20:51:41] <R2E4_> I can see both spindle-on and motion.spindle.forward come on inhalconfiguration. Bizarre
[20:57:41] <PetefromTn_> http://imagebin.org/302740
[20:58:28] <andypugh> R2E4_: Onr possibility is that your hal command is too early. Though it would have to be before the loadrt motmod, and that seems unlikely.
[20:59:25] <andypugh> Ah, it is actually motion.spindle-forward not motion.spindle.forward too...
[21:03:35] <PetefromTn_> Yeah man the syntax on that stuff can really get ya...
[21:03:45] <R2E4_> Yes, I made a typo error. I am trying to get an ouopt to follow motion.spindle-forward and it wont go.
[21:05:14] <R2E4_> been trying different scenario's. but net motion.spindle-forward hm2_5i25.0.7i84.0.2.output-13 doesnt work
[21:05:27] <R2E4_> I tried neting a signal and that didnt work either.
[21:07:08] <andypugh> You need to create a signal.
[21:07:46] <andypugh> net my_new_signal motion.spindle-forward hm2_5i25.0.7i84.0.2.output-13
[21:07:58] <R2E4_> I tried that with net SP-FW motion.spindle-forward hm2_5i25.0.7i84.0.2.output-13
[21:08:18] <R2E4_> ok, let me try that again.
[21:10:54] <R2E4_> When I do that it says, 'PIN motion.spindle-forward' was allready linked to signal 'sp-fw'
[21:14:37] <PetefromTn_> Just milled out the part completed the program and went to check my dimensions to the drawing.... The height of the part along the Y axis is supposed to be 1.5500 and it mic'd out to 1.5504 hehehe That is with NO compensation tweaking at all....Pretty sweet I think.
[21:14:41] <R2E4_> hmmm...
[21:15:02] <R2E4_> nice.
[21:16:43] <R2E4_> I'm doing exactly how it says inthe docs.... http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/examples/spindle.html#_spindle_direction
[21:17:51] <PetefromTn_> 3" dimension along the X axis is supposed to be 3" exactly and it is +.0005" Again not bad without any comp.
[21:18:46] <Deejay> gn8
[21:19:00] <PetefromTn_> I asked on the CamBam forum about a possibility of adding some comments to the preamble of my posted code that includes the list of cutters used in the program and also the Max and Min Z heights of each.
[21:19:09] <PetefromTn_> Deejay GN8 man!!
[21:19:18] <Deejay> good nite, pete :)
[21:19:30] <Deejay> (or have a nice day ;)
[21:19:32] <PetefromTn_> what time is it there man?
[21:19:41] <Deejay> 11pm
[21:19:51] <PetefromTn_> LOL sweet. Nitey night.
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[21:20:04] <Deejay> middle european summertime (since today)
[21:20:25] * Deejay falls asleep now
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[21:21:30] <PetefromTn_> Apparently there is a way to do that and one fellow showed me how to do the tool list part but he was unsure about the Z heights part.
[21:21:57] <PetefromTn_> Just having the list at the top of the program is kinda nice when you are setting up tools for a run...
[21:25:08] <R2E4_> Thats kind of misdirected. In my pinlist there is allready a spindle-cw that is linked to motion.spindle-forward, If I use spindle-cw as a signal it works, If I try to create a signal sp-cw it says it doesnt exist.
[21:25:09] <Einar> Jymm: Do NOT run it with one solid tyre and one inflatable! It the dolly will wobble.
[21:26:05] <Jymmm> Einar: Heh, thanks. Yeah, I'll replace them both at the same time. Just not sure if I should get inflatable or solid.
[21:27:27] <Einar> Jymm: Get solid if using it mainly on fairly flat surfaces, then the weight does not matter much. And they never run flat. ;-)
[21:27:54] <Einar> The dolly will also wobble less with a heavy load.
[21:28:12] <Jymmm> Einar: what about bumpy or rough areas?
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[21:28:52] <Einar> It will be more bumpy. But use a better cart if toting people.
[21:29:08] <Jymmm> lol
[21:31:04] <Einar> When I built a support wall usnig concrete blocks, I cut off the axles and welded them on the inside of the frame so I could run it on the narrow top of the wall. That would have been very unstable with air tires and so small wheelbase.
[21:32:06] <Jymmm> ah
[21:32:08] <Einar> But you will need split rims. There is no way you can put them on normal rims.
[21:32:23] <Einar> Solid tyres that is.
[21:32:34] <Jymmm> they come with the rims pre-installed (harbor freight)
[21:33:21] <Einar> Ahh! CE? Then better check they are rubber and not plastic. That would be too firm.
[21:33:33] <Jymmm> k
[21:37:22] <Einar> I use this one to transport firewood: http://www.messersi.it/portfolio/tch-0913/ It never runs flat. :-)
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[21:48:59] <PetefromTn_> One guy asks question: Hello
[21:49:18] <PetefromTn_> I have a Arrow 500 Acramatic 2100e
[21:49:31] <PetefromTn_> Is there a door lock override for setup purposes?
[21:50:04] <PetefromTn_> I can't see my edgefinder.
[21:50:20] <PetefromTn_> Second guy writes back:
[21:50:36] <PetefromTn_> You should NEVER EVER take off the door lock pin from the left side of the door by removing the two allen screws and manually inserting it into the the right door lock so that the control thinks the door is closed. I would never recommend you do this to see your edge finder!!!
[21:50:40] <PetefromTn_> Cracks me up.
[21:51:05] <PetefromTn_> My Cincinatti arrow came to me that way.
[21:51:17] <PetefromTn_> Now It does not have that switch at all.
[21:51:48] <PetefromTn_> The Haas machines at work all get set to override door interlock so you can see what is going on.
[21:52:11] <PetefromTn_> I understand of course there is danger there but it is what most guys seem to wind up doing in the end.
[22:06:37] <zeeshan|2> @ gates you get fired on the spot for:
[22:06:42] <zeeshan|2> 1. messing with door interlock
[22:06:52] <zeeshan|2> 2. not following lock out procedure
[22:07:04] <zeeshan|2> i don't see the big deal
[22:07:13] <zeeshan|2> the door interlock is annoying
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[22:13:07] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know maybe in school they frown upon but it is what it is... The last two shops I worked in both overrided the interlock.
[22:13:50] <PetefromTn_> There are times it is nice to be able to have a closer look at stuff and getting things adjusted mid program often calls for that.
[22:14:22] <zeeshan|2> gates = company not school :P
[22:14:41] <PetefromTn_> huh
[22:14:52] <PetefromTn_> well some places are more careful I guess.
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[22:16:12] <andypugh> R2E4: Sorry, I was elsewhere. Do you need more explanation?
[22:16:17] <PetefromTn_> I am trying to wrap my head around flipping this part for side two and milling soft jaws for it. Not done that too terribly much yet I usually can find a way to clamp down with bolts or clamps
[22:16:47] <Tom_itx> you get stuck in the wrong place at the wrong time and you'll see the importance of door interlocks
[22:17:25] <PetefromTn_> Oh I am sure of that...
[22:17:32] <Tom_itx> ask the guy that lost 3 fingers i pulled outta a machine...
[22:18:17] <PetefromTn_> I try to keep the door kinda cracked when open just in case and I move the door away from me instead of the one closer... Kinda to diminish my chances of injury from flying debris...
[22:19:00] <PetefromTn_> damn that sucks.. I know some folks who lost digits to a wood shaper machine that used to work in the shop I worked in.
[22:19:14] <andypugh> Part of the reason that my next lathe will probably be a converted manual, not a retrofitted CNC, is that the sort of thing I do needs me to be able to see what is going on, add special tooling, occasionally use a file, etc etc.
[22:19:23] <Tom_itx> these were material clamps he got caught in
[22:20:09] <PetefromTn_> I would not mind getting one of those CHNC's at some point they seem to have that sliding radiused enclosure top...
[22:20:19] <andypugh> A couple of years ago a chap at work got caught on a car body press. That was quick. And a mess to clean up.
[22:20:25] <PetefromTn_> how did he get caught in clamps?
[22:20:54] <Tom_itx> they stuck and he was reaching to pop em with a hammer to close em
[22:21:04] <zeeshan|2> any of you guys play around with proximity sensors?
[22:21:11] <Tom_itx> had the interlock been working, it wouldn't have moved until all the clamps were closed
[22:21:28] <andypugh> I have used proximity sensors. And I have made both mistakes.
[22:21:29] <PetefromTn_> You mean besides the five or six in my machine?
[22:21:41] <zeeshan|2> i need help
[22:21:47] <zeeshan|2> the tachometer came with no instructions
[22:21:56] <zeeshan|2> http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NjAwWDgwMA==/z/7esAAOxydUJTMkGo/$_3.JPG
[22:21:58] <zeeshan|2> thats the proximity sensor
[22:22:11] <zeeshan|2> which wire is signal power and ground?
[22:22:13] <PetefromTn_> Huh same colors as mine.
[22:22:15] <zeeshan|2> im assuming black is ground
[22:22:21] <andypugh> Black is signal.
[22:22:22] <zeeshan|2> which one is signal
[22:22:24] <andypugh> no idea why
[22:22:27] <zeeshan|2> rofl
[22:22:54] <PetefromTn_> yeah that is the way mine are too Black is signal.
[22:23:03] <zeeshan|2> whats blue
[22:23:05] <zeeshan|2> and brown
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[22:23:16] <Tom_itx> power?
[22:23:27] <PetefromTn_> Brown is 24v in my case and blue is common...
[22:23:29] <andypugh> I think it is brown +, blue - black signal, but let me check
[22:23:32] <Tom_itx> take your pick which is which
[22:23:38] <zeeshan|2> thank you
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[22:23:52] <zeeshan|2> this sensor needs 12v apparently
[22:23:59] <zeeshan|2> i think it can work with a wide variety of voltages
[22:24:03] <zeeshan|2> 12v - 42v
[22:24:27] <PetefromTn_> I need one to install on my Toolchanger carousel to add a home switch to it.
[22:24:48] <PetefromTn_> There is not one from the factory and you had to tell the control which pocket is number 1.
[22:24:55] <zeeshan|2> Sensor wiring:brown-Power+;blue-Power-;black-signal
[22:25:01] <zeeshan|2> its on the webpage. im blind
[22:25:02] <zeeshan|2> sorry andypugh!
[22:25:35] <andypugh> You need to be careful with the NPN and PNP variants too.
[22:25:54] <zeeshan|2> im trying ti find out which one i bought
[22:26:01] <zeeshan|2> pretty sure its npn
[22:27:38] <zeeshan|2> yep its npn
[22:27:57] <andypugh> For an opto-input like a mesa card you sometimes connect the black to IN+ and IN- to GND, and sometimes you connect the black to IN- and the IN+ to field voltage. isolated input cards can use either, but if you have common-gnd cards you can only use one type.
[22:28:31] <zeeshan|2> andypugh: this is for a standalone tachometer
[22:28:34] <zeeshan|2> for drill press
[22:28:50] <andypugh> When you connect the + and - the LED inside will light up when the target is present.
[22:29:27] <andypugh> If the LED is on all the time, and brighter when the target is present, then you wired the output wrong. DAMHIK
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[23:08:56] <zeeshan|2> andypugh:
[23:08:57] <zeeshan|2> lol
[23:08:59] <zeeshan|2> wtf
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[23:09:08] <zeeshan|2> so i wired it according to instructions on the website
[23:09:13] <zeeshan|2> and the LED on the actual npn sensor is always on
[23:10:36] <andypugh> Hmm
[23:10:51] <zeeshan|2> brown -> power +
[23:10:56] <zeeshan|2> blue -> power - (12v)
[23:11:03] <zeeshan|2> power = 12v i mean
[23:11:12] <zeeshan|2> black -> signal
[23:11:32] <andypugh> 12V brown, 0V blue, signal black?
[23:11:40] <zeeshan|2> yes
[23:11:48] <zeeshan|2> how close does the sensor need to be to the magnet
[23:12:15] <andypugh> The target is probably just some mete.
[23:12:20] <andypugh> (metal)
[23:12:24] <zeeshan|2> this is a "
[23:12:30] <zeeshan|2> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/251374874885?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.ca%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_sacat%3D0%26_from%3DR40%26_nkw%3D251374874885%26_rdc%3D1
[23:12:31] <zeeshan|2> this exact one
[23:12:43] <andypugh> If “touching” doesn’t work then something is wrong.
[23:13:24] <zeeshan|2> lemme try touching thee magnet to the sensor
[23:13:29] <zeeshan|2> and see if it goes off
[23:14:02] <jdh> Detection range: 10mm
[23:14:11] <andypugh> It appears to be a Hall-effect sensor, so you might need to try both sides of the magnet.
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[23:17:13] <andypugh> (If it really is a hall-effect sensor as they claim then it will be a magnet)
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[23:28:34] <zeeshan|2> yea
[23:28:37] <zeeshan|2> the problem with the range
[23:28:40] <zeeshan|2> the sensor was too far away
[23:28:52] <zeeshan|2> basically its lit on all the time
[23:28:58] <zeeshan|2> but when the magnet passes, it gets brighter
[23:30:34] <zeeshan|2> belt table says 500 rpm, tachometer says 508-509
[23:30:45] <zeeshan|2> belt table lies!
[23:31:35] <zeeshan|2> now i gotta mount a vfd to this drill press
[23:31:43] <zeeshan|2> i shouldnt havent sold the vfd setup with my other drill press =/
[23:33:00] <zeeshan|2> http://imgur.com/a/kLcgx
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[23:53:21] <andypugh> light on all the time means that it is the wrong type of sensor for the input circuit. However it can still work (and you have seen that it does)
[23:57:26] <andypugh> I think that people obsess too much about spindle speed and SFM. Back when it was hard to measure spindle speed, good enough was god enough.
[23:58:21] <Tom_itx> true but you can get optimum tool life and production if things are set right
[23:58:33] <Tom_itx> not that it matters on one off parts
[23:58:44] <andypugh> Even now, the “book” value is probably not exactly right for _your_ tool, _your_ material and _your_ machine.
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