Back
[00:13:10] -!- micges has quit [Quit: Leaving]
[00:13:34] -!- almccon has quit [Quit: Leaving.]
[00:13:45] KreAture is now known as KreAture_Zzz
[00:14:29] -!- sumpfralle has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
[00:16:13] -!- skunkworks_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds]
[00:18:38] -!- The_Ball [The_Ball!~ballen@202.10.92.134] has joined #linuxcnc
[00:21:45] -!- denishaskin has quit [Quit: Leaving.]
[00:23:42] <CaptHindsight> I need to find a low cost USB camera for edge detection that can be mounted next to a spindle with ~50mm(2") working distance
[00:25:01] <CaptHindsight> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Adding_Digital_Zoom_To_Camview-Emc the HD5000 isn't bad but it could use improvement
[00:25:51] <CaptHindsight> http://blog.f1oat.org/tag/hd5000/
[00:26:44] <CaptHindsight> "optical resolution of the webcam at this distance is about 0.1mm per point. I have tried few pointings and achieved an accuracy better than 0.05mm. Surprisingly, that is better than pixel resolution. I think that is possible because we can see when the hole stands between 2 pixels"
[00:27:39] <CaptHindsight> 2-4x that res and everyone should be happy
[00:28:18] <XXCoder1> what about one of those compyter microscopes
[00:29:24] <CaptHindsight> http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-LifeCam-HD-5000-720p-Webcam/dp/B002XN7C6W/ref=sr_1_4/177-7239133-4253965?ie=UTF8&qid=1395275333&sr=8-4&keywords=hd+5000+webcam
[00:29:39] -!- sumpfralle [sumpfralle!~lars@p578a641d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #linuxcnc
[00:29:49] -!- skunkworks_ [skunkworks_!~chatzilla@str-broadband-ccmts-ws-26.dsl.airstreamcomm.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[00:31:05] <andypugh> CaptHindsight:
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR11.TRC1.A0.H0.Xusb+endoscope&_nkw=usb+endoscope&_sacat=0&_from=R40
[00:32:57] <CaptHindsight> andypugh: those would offer protection from coolant as well
[00:33:04] <andypugh> Indeed :-)
[00:33:32] <_methods> and feces
[00:33:53] <andypugh> Ideal for looking up old friends.
[00:33:58] <_methods> hah
[00:34:03] <_methods> touche
[00:34:09] <_methods> tushy
[00:34:11] <CaptHindsight> cut the crap
[00:34:19] <_methods> no end to the puns
[00:34:21] -!- peepsalot [peepsalot!~Sir@cpe-70-113-95-90.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #linuxcnc
[00:34:41] <_methods> i'm gonna start carryin one of those wiht me at work
[00:34:48] <_methods> so i can get to the bottom of all the bullshit
[00:35:30] <andypugh> Right, time to retire for the night here. Have fun chaps.
[00:35:36] -!- andypugh has quit [Quit: andypugh]
[00:38:24] <CaptHindsight> the problem with the endoscopes will be the lens, not much working distance
[00:41:18] <XXCoder1> guess so
[00:47:53] <CaptHindsight> 720p webcams are the sweet spot for price vs res
[00:48:29] -!- almccon has quit [Quit: Leaving.]
[00:51:56] <CaptHindsight> for 25um res per pixel 1280 x 720p = 32 x 18 mm, so I don't think any standard webcam will be able to focus that close
[00:53:13] -!- sumpfralle has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
[01:00:07] <CaptHindsight> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmdKbX46z8w not sure if he modded that lens
[01:01:25] <XXCoder1> probably did
[01:01:32] -!- patrickarlt has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[01:03:30] <XXCoder1> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soEqiq0DcKg
[01:06:50] -!- sumpfralle [sumpfralle!~lars@on1.informatik.uni-rostock.de] has joined #linuxcnc
[01:11:40] -!- PetefromTn_Andro [PetefromTn_Andro!~PetefromT@24-158-172-171.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has joined #linuxcnc
[01:12:57] <CaptHindsight> with a 60 deg viewing angle for a 32mm image width the lens will be 28mm from the focus
[01:13:59] -!- xubun2 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]
[01:14:04] -!- thomaslindstr_m has quit [Quit: Leaving...]
[01:17:19] <_methods> is this for a pick and place?
[01:17:49] <PetefromTn_Andro> Evening folks..
[01:18:05] <CaptHindsight> it could be extended to that, but i want to finish the active camera alignment first
[01:18:22] <_methods> linescan cam?
[01:18:27] <_methods> ebay
[01:18:38] -!- erictheise has quit [Quit: erictheise]
[01:19:31] <CaptHindsight> I can afford real optics but I want to see what everyone else can get with a low cost USB webcam or similar
[01:19:51] <_methods> ah
[01:19:53] <CaptHindsight> get/achieve
[01:20:49] -!- peepsalot has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
[01:21:29] -!- arvidkahl has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
[01:21:37] -!- sumpfralle has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
[01:22:06] <CaptHindsight> after this the rest is mostly image processing and generating offset values for auto-jogging
[01:22:15] <_methods> http://hairyraho.com/home-made-pick-place-smt-machine
[01:22:24] <_methods> they got the usb cam they used on there
[01:23:01] <_methods> looks like one of those ebay usb "microscopes"
[01:23:01] <CaptHindsight> mach3
[01:23:07] <_methods> heh
[01:23:21] <_methods> suckers
[01:24:19] <_methods> he/she/they have some cool projects on that site
[01:28:16] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/400677670705 but needs a lens
[01:28:40] <_methods> yeah
[01:28:48] <_methods> you'll have to get lucky on a linescan
[01:29:08] <_methods> check local craigslist too
[01:29:20] <_methods> some moron might be sellin one and not know what it is
[01:29:33] <CaptHindsight> everyone will complain about that cost
[01:30:05] <CaptHindsight> I'm looking for something that everyone else could use
[01:30:11] <CaptHindsight> could/will
[01:30:21] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/USB-LED-Digital-200X-Zoom-Microscope-handheld-2-MP-Video-Camera-Cam-/310737754463?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item485969d95f
[01:30:29] <CaptHindsight> the cheaper the better
[01:30:34] <_methods> yeah
[01:30:54] <_methods> http://briandorey.com/post/DIY-Pick-and-Place-V2-Project-Complete.aspx#7
[01:31:12] <_methods> heh
[01:31:18] <_methods> he stole the cam from a kinect
[01:31:50] -!- denishaskin has quit [Quit: Leaving.]
[01:33:19] <CaptHindsight> most people here will use it for finding edges
[01:33:32] <CaptHindsight> optical touch probe
[01:33:57] <CaptHindsight> or maybe fiducials on circuit boards
[01:34:22] <CaptHindsight> https://buildyourcnc.com/PickandPlaceMachineTheredFrog.aspx
[01:34:56] <CaptHindsight> Linuxcnc without a camera and just fancy G-code
[01:35:14] -!- sumpfralle [sumpfralle!~lars@p578a641d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #linuxcnc
[01:35:34] <humble_sea_bass> dat wood
[01:35:41] <CaptHindsight> http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLF60EE5606562E2D1
[01:35:59] <CaptHindsight> made from old skateboard decks
[01:36:32] <humble_sea_bass> the strongest material know to man
[01:36:47] <CaptHindsight> or reclaimed knotty pine rec room paneling
[01:38:34] <humble_sea_bass> that fanciest material known to vermont living rooms/dens and/or 1985 buick station wagons known to man
[01:42:17] <CaptHindsight> http://www.offbeatearth.com/the-wooden-man/
[01:43:43] -!- almccon has quit [Quit: Leaving.]
[01:43:49] <humble_sea_bass> oh god
[01:44:44] <humble_sea_bass> I was thinking
http://images.hemmings.com/wp-content/uploads//2011/09/BuickElectraEstate_700.jpg
[01:44:58] <humble_sea_bass> I unironically love that car
[01:45:02] <CaptHindsight> don't remind me
[01:45:14] -!- FinboySlick [FinboySlick!~shark@squal.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[01:48:00] <skunkworks_> http://imagebin.org/300444
[01:48:06] <skunkworks_> current tp...
[01:48:09] <skunkworks_> new tp
[01:48:27] <skunkworks_> http://imagebin.org/300445
[01:48:33] <skunkworks_> random shapes day...
[01:48:38] <XXCoder1> cheap yet pretty high quality? camera from broken screen phone, if you figure how to use it
[01:48:59] <XXCoder1> linuxcnc?
[01:49:17] <XXCoder1> does it have ability to show solid result after cut test?
[01:49:37] -!- asdfasd has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
[01:49:38] <CaptHindsight> nice
[01:50:01] <XXCoder1> reminds me of old kids toy
[01:50:08] <XXCoder1> bars and gears with pen
[01:50:13] <humble_sea_bass> Spirodoodle
[01:50:15] <XXCoder1> makes nice patterns like that
[01:50:17] <XXCoder1> yep
[01:50:21] <XXCoder1> couldnt recall name
[01:50:25] -!- AR_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
[01:50:38] <CaptHindsight> skunkworks: how's the matsuura 500?
[01:50:50] <humble_sea_bass> zxACXZJHGFDSAytrewqN,M
[01:51:01] <skunkworks_> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Oword#Sample_3_loops_math_example_spirograph
[01:51:36] -!- ravenlock has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds]
[01:51:39] <skunkworks_> CaptHindsight: still working...
[01:51:43] <XXCoder1> http://www.fatbraintoys.com/toy_companies/kahootz/the_original_spirograph_deluxe_set.cfm
[01:51:56] <skunkworks_> have not hooked into it serially yet - maybe tomorrow
[01:52:25] <XXCoder1> seems awesome. only ugly mark is unity
[01:52:33] <XXCoder1> I'/d replaced it with xfce
[01:52:38] <humble_sea_bass> -09876543 /msg CaptHindsight
[01:54:38] <skunkworks_> XXCoder1: I am just running sim on 12.04
[01:55:01] <XXCoder1> cool
[01:55:08] * skunkworks_ kinda likes unity.. (gotten used to it anyway)
[01:55:21] <XXCoder1> did you strip the call home feature from it?
[01:55:42] -!- syyl-- has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
[01:56:54] <skunkworks_> uh - probably not... ;)
[01:57:24] <XXCoder1> yeah its not expecially important but it does call home all your search results
[01:57:28] <PetefromTn_Andro> Call home?
[01:57:49] <XXCoder1> yeah internet access, send data to server
[01:58:16] <zeeshan> all this manual machining for the steam engine
[01:58:21] <zeeshan> will make me appreciate cnc even more :D
[01:58:31] <CaptHindsight> boobs, food, boobs, end mills, boobs, cats videos, boobs .....
[01:59:00] <XXCoder1> how to make bomb... how to make bomb cheap way.... ferlizer source.... :P
[01:59:01] <humble_sea_bass> sounds like a productive day
[01:59:59] <XXCoder1> if I recall right, removing it is as simple as removing one package
[02:00:17] <humble_sea_bass> remving what
[02:00:18] <CaptHindsight> probably better to have an auto search script, just overload them with garbage
[02:00:34] <XXCoder1> call home part of ubuntu
[02:01:09] <humble_sea_bass> heh, it just collects searches from firefox?
[02:01:14] <XXCoder1> jno
[02:01:17] <XXCoder1> from os search
[02:01:22] <XXCoder1> files, programs
[02:01:30] <humble_sea_bass> creepy
[02:01:42] <humble_sea_bass> well, developers gotta eat I guess
[02:01:49] <XXCoder1> pfft
[02:01:50] <CaptHindsight> like android and Ios
[02:02:14] <skunkworks_> XXCoder1: previews tool paths pretty nicely...
http://imagebin.org/300446
[02:02:34] <XXCoder1> well paths does show shape
[02:02:38] <XXCoder1> hmm ok
[02:02:58] <XXCoder1> can you check out one nc file I made?
[02:03:05] <skunkworks_> sure
[02:03:07] <XXCoder1> just see how sane it is lol
[02:03:44] <CaptHindsight> thats we are sticking with allwinner arm boards and AMD mini-itx, better graphics for previews and simulation
[02:04:01] -!- patrickarlt has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
[02:04:20] -!- patricka_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[02:05:21] <XXCoder1> http://pastebin.com/K9bKuun8
[02:05:39] <XXCoder1> it has minerial size in title, and tool should be ball nose 0.25 in
[02:09:39] <skunkworks_> http://imagebin.org/300447
[02:09:48] <skunkworks_> it just previews the tool path..
[02:09:58] <zeeshan> smiley!
[02:10:06] <XXCoder1> well it does seem to read properly
[02:10:07] <skunkworks_> (doesn't do any sort of fancy subtractive stuff) Yet...
[02:10:42] <XXCoder1> lol is actually running it too much to hope for? ;)
[02:10:50] -!- JT-Shop has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
[02:11:10] <XXCoder1> bit dangerous running design by cnc moobie's first try
[02:11:17] -!- JT-Shop [JT-Shop!~john@75-105-204-71.cust.wildblue.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[02:12:02] <XXCoder1> gonna go for a bit
[02:14:38] <skunkworks_> well - it may be a but much.. The properties of the gcode say 267 minutes..
[02:15:04] <skunkworks_> (which is usually calculates way on the short side..)
[02:15:39] <skunkworks_> I would guess you don't need as many passes as you have..
[02:20:19] -!- PetefromTn_Andro has quit [Quit: Bye]
[02:20:39] -!- Valen has quit [Quit: Leaving.]
[02:20:50] -!- c-bob| has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]
[02:21:00] -!- c-bob| [c-bob|!~c@unaffiliated/c-bob] has joined #linuxcnc
[02:22:52] <CaptHindsight> http://www.goodluckbuy.com/12mp-1080p-2-5-full-hd-car-dvr-digital-video-recorder-camcorder-vehicle-camera.html looks like these have a working distance to 25cm
[02:23:12] <CaptHindsight> I might get on from ebay to try
[02:25:18] -!- skorasaurus2 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
[02:29:57] -!- terabyte- [terabyte-!~terabyte@c-76-18-21-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[02:32:18] <CaptHindsight> Use assuage in a sentence: "At Denny's you can get two pancakes and assuage for $2.59."
[02:32:32] <XXCoder1> finally done
[02:32:40] <XXCoder1> skunkworks_: yeah I didnt check feed rate and such
[02:32:48] <XXCoder1> its so slow it probably works on steel lol
[02:33:18] <XXCoder1> if you want gc I'll send it. is it text too?
[02:34:10] <skunkworks_> gc?
[02:34:30] <XXCoder1> oops
[02:34:33] <XXCoder1> cb
[02:34:44] <skunkworks_> cambam?
[02:34:48] <XXCoder1> yeah
[02:34:54] <skunkworks_> (I don't use any high tech cam software...
[02:35:25] <XXCoder1> so, how deep can router cut in wood?
[02:35:35] <XXCoder1> 1 inch? foot? lol
[02:35:35] <skunkworks_> how long is a string?
[02:35:40] <skunkworks_> ;)
[02:35:59] <XXCoder1> reading info a sec
[02:36:28] <XXCoder1> its at 0.015 in per pass
[02:36:33] <XXCoder1> probably fae too small
[02:36:56] <XXCoder1> 0.381 mm
[02:37:01] <Tom_itx> unless you wanna grow old watching it
[02:37:10] <XXCoder1> lol
[02:37:23] <XXCoder1> so, for wood what depth is good?
[02:37:36] -!- qingpei has quit [Quit: qingpei]
[02:39:04] <Tom_itx> http://www.onsrud.com/plusdocs/Doc/index.html?model.code=FeedSpeeds
[02:39:40] <XXCoder1> thanks
[02:45:38] <XXCoder1> wonder how to define ipm in cambam
[02:45:43] <XXCoder1> it seems set to be very fasy
[03:00:03] -!- almccon has quit [Quit: Leaving.]
[03:01:47] -!- sirdancealot has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
[03:04:54] -!- arvidkahl has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
[03:08:59] -!- patrickarlt has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
[03:19:00] <XXCoder1> skunkworks_: second attempt lol
http://pastebin.com/vbiJVSjg
[03:19:22] <XXCoder1> two tools this time, ball end then endmill, both 0.25 size
[03:22:58] -!- sabotender [sabotender!~tandoorii@unaffiliated/tandoori] has joined #linuxcnc
[03:31:57] -!- Thetawaves [Thetawaves!~Thetawave@186-51-178-69.gci.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[03:39:59] -!- Thetawaves has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep]
[03:44:33] -!- mejackreed has quit [Quit: Leaving.]
[03:46:08] <XXCoder1> blender CAM HMM
[03:48:49] -!- Thetawaves [Thetawaves!~Thetawave@186-51-178-69.gci.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[03:49:41] -!- FinboySlick has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[03:53:24] -!- the_wench [the_wench!~the_wench@host81-149-189-98.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #linuxcnc
[03:59:13] -!- qingpei has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
[04:02:25] -!- arvidkahl has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
[04:07:01] -!- denishaskin has quit [Quit: Leaving.]
[04:09:19] -!- almccon has quit [Quit: Leaving.]
[04:23:30] -!- qingpei_ has quit [Quit: qingpei_]
[04:27:35] <p0st4L> is it bad to route g10 and not have a vacuum on it (or blower)?
[04:37:44] -!- terabyte- has quit [Quit: terabyte-]
[04:43:44] -!- Valen [Valen!~Valen@c211-30-128-202.blktn6.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #linuxcnc
[04:50:30] -!- sumpfralle has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
[05:04:45] -!- patrickarlt has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[05:05:43] -!- qingpei has quit [Quit: qingpei]
[05:09:42] -!- xubun2 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
[05:12:31] -!- george2 has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.]
[05:21:56] -!- mejackreed has quit [Quit: Leaving.]
[05:22:58] -!- JT-Shop has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
[05:24:44] -!- JT-Shop [JT-Shop!~john@75-105-204-71.cust.wildblue.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[05:26:20] -!- ve7it has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[05:28:17] -!- ries has quit [Quit: ries]
[05:28:33] -!- mejackreed has quit [Client Quit]
[05:30:17] -!- patrickarlt has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[05:37:18] -!- george2 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
[05:48:16] -!- denishaskin has quit [Quit: Leaving.]
[05:48:38] <CaptHindsight> the 1204 ballscrews for the Z axis are terrible
http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/cnc-router/kl4530-desktop-cnc-router-with-3-motors
[05:50:55] -!- tjb1 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
[06:01:09] -!- denishaskin has quit [Quit: Leaving.]
[06:01:37] -!- psha [psha!~psha@213.208.162.81] has joined #linuxcnc
[06:03:36] -!- Fox_Muldr has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds]
[06:04:23] -!- tzohar [tzohar!~tzohar@gateway/tor-sasl/tzohar] has joined #linuxcnc
[06:05:30] -!- patrickarlt has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
[06:05:36] -!- Fox_Muldr [Fox_Muldr!quakeman@frnk-4d00d41d.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[06:06:01] -!- patricka_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
[06:13:28] -!- tjb1 [tjb1!~tjb1@cpe-67-252-67-92.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #linuxcnc
[06:30:08] -!- GJdan has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.4-dev]
[06:48:57] -!- qingpei has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
[06:54:11] -!- Komzzzpa has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]
[06:56:22] -!- syyl [syyl!~syyl@p4FD130ED.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #linuxcnc
[06:57:42] -!- Komzpa has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
[06:59:05] -!- george2 has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.]
[07:03:14] -!- The_Ball has quit [Quit: Leaving]
[07:05:15] -!- Komzzpa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
[07:29:18] -!- Patang has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds]
[07:32:54] -!- Patang [Patang!~freenode@cm-84.211.101.176.getinternet.no] has joined #linuxcnc
[07:33:26] -!- qingpei_ has quit [Quit: qingpei_]
[07:33:41] -!- Deejay [Deejay!~Deejay@unaffiliated/dj9dj] has joined #linuxcnc
[07:33:59] <Deejay> moin
[07:38:38] -!- skroon has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]
[07:40:45] -!- The_Ball [The_Ball!~ballen@c114-77-185-26.hillc3.qld.optusnet.com.au] has joined #linuxcnc
[07:44:49] -!- archivist_herron has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
[07:50:55] -!- WalterN has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
[07:57:11] -!- WalterN [WalterN!~tiwake@71-84-131-70.dhcp.knwc.wa.charter.com] has joined #linuxcnc
[07:58:05] -!- archivist_herron [archivist_herron!~herron@80.175.14.110] has joined #linuxcnc
[07:59:03] -!- md-2 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
[08:11:09] -!- Lathe_newbie [Lathe_newbie!~newbie@213.55.184.142] has joined #linuxcnc
[08:11:58] -!- Lathe_newbie has quit [Client Quit]
[08:13:59] -!- Komzzpa has quit [Ping timeout: 269 seconds]
[08:15:39] -!- rob_h [rob_h!~robh@90.219.235.65] has joined #linuxcnc
[08:16:06] -!- qingpei has quit [Quit: qingpei]
[08:16:36] -!- md-2 has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[08:16:40] -!- syyl_ws [syyl_ws!~sg@p4FD130ED.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #linuxcnc
[08:21:59] -!- md-2 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds]
[08:25:39] -!- skroon [skroon!~skroon@D57E6B92.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #linuxcnc
[08:33:01] -!- psha has quit [Quit: Lost terminal]
[08:36:42] -!- toner has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
[08:40:50] -!- jerryitt has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity]
[08:49:24] -!- toner [toner!~ink@c-50-150-125-200.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[08:49:39] -!- asdfasd [asdfasd!~332332@94.10.252.67] has joined #linuxcnc
[08:49:54] -!- sabotender has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
[08:57:03] -!- krusty_ar has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[09:07:06] -!- sirdancealot [sirdancealot!~koo5@194.228.11.172] has joined #linuxcnc
[09:14:50] <kengu> how long can the db25 cable between mesa cards 7i76+6i25 be. as I was planning on putting the pc under the plasma table in the frame somewhere there (no problem with cable) but other option is to put it up on the wall. could be better but I would need 1m more of cable. cable now is the 6ft that came with the kit.
[09:26:52] -!- arvidkahl has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com]
[09:28:50] -!- sumpfralle [sumpfralle!~lars@p578a641d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #linuxcnc
[09:33:13] -!- Komzzpa has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
[09:34:38] -!- syyl- [syyl-!~syyl@p4FD12F37.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #linuxcnc
[09:34:48] -!- syyl_ws_ [syyl_ws_!~sg@p4FD12F37.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #linuxcnc
[09:37:37] -!- syyl_ws has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
[09:37:52] -!- syyl has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds]
[09:43:17] -!- jstenback has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.]
[09:43:22] -!- jst [jst!~quassel@198.199.94.175] has joined #linuxcnc
[09:44:30] -!- sumpfralle has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
[09:46:01] -!- amiri has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
[09:59:29] -!- jthornton [jthornton!~john@75-105-204-71.cust.wildblue.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[10:00:14] -!- sumpfralle [sumpfralle!~lars@p5DCFD35B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #linuxcnc
[10:05:13] -!- sumpfralle has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
[10:10:54] -!- archivist_herron has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
[10:13:54] -!- xubun2 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
[10:16:23] -!- b_b has quit [Changing host]
[10:16:49] -!- amiri_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
[10:17:53] -!- mozmck has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]
[10:18:40] -!- mozmck [mozmck!~moses@67.210.159.209] has joined #linuxcnc
[10:20:12] -!- sumpfralle [sumpfralle!~lars@p578a641d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #linuxcnc
[10:20:26] -!- marmite has quit [Read error: Operation timed out]
[10:20:44] -!- marmite [marmite!~mirmite@is.a.hax0r.se] has joined #linuxcnc
[10:21:51] -!- Komzzpa has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds]
[10:23:16] -!- archivist_herron [archivist_herron!~herron@80.175.14.110] has joined #linuxcnc
[10:28:08] -!- skunkworks_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds]
[10:35:38] -!- syyl_ws_ has quit [Quit: Verlassend]
[10:42:47] -!- Simooon has quit [Quit: Leaving]
[10:44:01] -!- mle_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
[10:49:04] -!- md-2 has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[10:54:14] -!- md-2 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds]
[10:54:25] -!- sumpfralle has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
[11:00:06] -!- denishaskin has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
[11:01:46] -!- os1r1s has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
[11:02:21] -!- os1r1s [os1r1s!~os1r1s@mounicou.com] has joined #linuxcnc
[11:09:18] -!- Thetawaves has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep]
[11:12:03] -!- maximilian_h [maximilian_h!~bonsai@stgt-5f703fa1.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[11:13:05] -!- pingufan [pingufan!~rainer@goliath.hantsch.co.at] has joined #linuxcnc
[11:17:15] -!- Tomashe has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds]
[11:19:32] <jthornton> morning
[11:21:42] -!- maximilian_h has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
[11:29:36] -!- b_b has quit [Changing host]
[11:31:44] -!- qingpei has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
[11:31:56] qingpei_ is now known as qingpei
[11:32:57] -!- pingufan has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!]
[11:37:57] -!- denishaskin has quit [Quit: Leaving.]
[11:46:29] -!- sirdancealot has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
[11:47:13] -!- Komzzpa has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
[11:51:31] -!- qingpei has quit [Quit: qingpei]
[12:02:26] -!- ries [ries!~ries@190.9.171.121] has joined #linuxcnc
[12:02:28] <skunkworks> morning john
[12:04:54] <jthornton> morning Sam
[12:06:41] <skunkworks> first day of spring!
[12:08:47] <jthornton> YIPPIE!
[12:09:35] -!- thomaslindstr_m has quit [Quit: Leaving...]
[12:17:09] -!- maximilian_h [maximilian_h!~bonsai@stgt-5f703fa1.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[12:20:15] -!- GuShH_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds]
[12:22:49] -!- maximilian_h has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
[12:23:43] -!- jthornton_ [jthornton_!~john@75-105-204-71.cust.wildblue.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[12:23:50] -!- JT-Shop_ [JT-Shop_!~john@75-105-204-71.cust.wildblue.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[12:25:18] -!- jthornton has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
[12:25:54] -!- JT-Shop has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
[12:27:47] -!- psha [psha!~psha@213.208.162.81] has joined #linuxcnc
[12:28:54] -!- skunkworks_ [skunkworks_!~chatzilla@68-115-41-210.static.eucl.wi.charter.com] has joined #linuxcnc
[12:29:17] -!- md-2 has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[12:32:02] -!- cncbasher [cncbasher!~quassel@cpc8-hart9-2-0-cust254.11-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[12:33:33] -!- maximilian_h [maximilian_h!~bonsai@stgt-5f703fa1.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[12:34:01] -!- md-2 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
[12:37:13] -!- skunkworks__ [skunkworks__!~skunkwork@68-115-41-210.static.eucl.wi.charter.com] has joined #linuxcnc
[12:38:25] -!- skunkworks has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
[12:39:07] -!- skunkworks_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds]
[12:40:03] -!- skunkworks [skunkworks!~skunkwork@68-115-41-210.static.eucl.wi.charter.com] has joined #linuxcnc
[12:40:05] -!- maximilian_h has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds]
[12:42:34] -!- skunkworks__ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]
[12:58:00] -!- mazafaka [mazafaka!~Ma.Za.Fak@unaffiliated/mazafaka] has joined #linuxcnc
[12:58:24] -!- JT-Shop__ [JT-Shop__!~john@75-105-204-71.cust.wildblue.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[12:59:10] -!- jthornton__ [jthornton__!~john@75-105-204-71.cust.wildblue.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[12:59:16] -!- jthornton_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
[13:00:31] -!- alex_joni has quit [Read error: Operation timed out]
[13:01:15] JT-Shop__ is now known as JT-Shop
[13:01:54] -!- JT-Shop_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
[13:01:58] -!- terabyte- [terabyte-!~terabyte@c-76-18-21-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[13:03:38] <R2E4> mornin folks!
[13:04:44] -!- Komzzpa has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds]
[13:05:20] <skunkworks> Good morning!
[13:05:49] -!- jthornton__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
[13:06:10] -!- jthornton__ [jthornton__!~john@75-105-204-71.cust.wildblue.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[13:06:19] <R2E4> Tonights the nite I release my brake on the Z!!!!
[13:06:29] <skunkworks> good luck!
[13:06:52] <skunkworks> (I think when we where tuning - we put a tire under the vertical axis...
[13:07:17] <skunkworks> wait - isn't your machine a horizontal mill?
[13:07:19] <skunkworks> so isn
[13:07:20] <R2E4> Thats a good idea
[13:07:34] <R2E4> its a vertical mill.
[13:07:39] <skunkworks> oh
[13:07:40] <skunkworks> ok
[13:07:46] <R2E4> 24" Z travel though
[13:08:17] <skunkworks> ours is horizontal - (with 24 inches of z travel) ;)
[13:09:16] <R2E4> The montstor? That thing has 24" of vertical travel?
[13:09:36] <R2E4> Jeez, I cant spell. monstor
[13:09:41] <R2E4> monster
[13:09:58] -!- FinboySlick [FinboySlick!~shark@74.117.40.10] has joined #linuxcnc
[13:10:16] <skunkworks> no - z is in-out of the spindle (horizontal) it is X=38 Y=36(vertical axis) and z=24
[13:10:52] <R2E4> Ah, that would confuse the shit out of me
[13:10:58] <skunkworks> heh
[13:10:58] <R2E4> lol
[13:13:19] <skunkworks> the y axis is couterbalanced with hydraulics - so unless we lost hydraulics - it would stay
[13:13:33] -!- GuShH_ [GuShH_!GuShH_Lap@unaffiliated/gushh] has joined #linuxcnc
[13:15:37] -!- skroon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
[13:17:12] -!- terabyte- has quit [Quit: terabyte-]
[13:21:22] <R2E4> When you hydraulic pump shuts off?
[13:21:28] <R2E4> what happens?
[13:22:36] <skunkworks> the brake engages... ;)
[13:23:35] -!- FreezingCold [FreezingCold!~FreezingC@135.0.41.14] has joined #linuxcnc
[13:24:00] <R2E4> OK, the hydraulic disengages the brake, like when you enable that drive, it apllies hydraulics to keep the brake off. When you lose hydraulics the brake engages
[13:25:31] -!- mle_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds]
[13:25:56] <R2E4> Mine is when I lose power, the brake engages
[13:25:57] <skunkworks> correct.
[13:26:49] <R2E4> Mine has a few contacts that need to be met before the brake disengages.
[13:28:02] <R2E4> one is power on, second one is machine-is-on or drive is enabled, and the third is a command from the controller. This is the way it was before.
[13:29:01] <skunkworks> when linuxcnc is turned 'on' the drives enable, the brake hydraulic solinoid is turned on...
[13:29:19] <skunkworks> (disabling the band brake)
[13:29:47] <R2E4> What if your drive doesnt enable?
[13:30:00] <skunkworks> http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/conversion/yaxis/ybrake.JPG
[13:30:24] <JT-Shop> just be sure your E-Stop works as expected
[13:30:37] <R2E4> hehe, its a disc brake...
[13:30:45] <skunkworks> well - following error - estop
[13:31:24] <R2E4> e-stop will turn the machine off, which will engage the brake
[13:31:25] <skunkworks> (if the axis starts to drop (because the dive doesn't enable)
[13:31:31] <skunkworks> exactly
[13:31:59] <skunkworks> we actually had the y axis drive go flakey and do this exact thing
[13:32:39] <R2E4> could add drive enabled input as a condition to release the brake.
[13:33:15] <R2E4> That way, if the drive doesnt enable for some reason, the brake stays on
[13:35:08] <R2E4> wait, the drives dont have drive enable output, they have ready output but I think that is to say it is ready to be enabled, not sure
[13:35:40] -!- mazafaka has quit [Quit: Bye]
[13:36:22] -!- zzolo has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
[13:36:42] -!- xubun2 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
[13:38:04] -!- terabyte- [terabyte-!~terabyte@c-76-18-21-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[13:39:10] <Jymmm> http://htwins.net/scale2/
[13:41:31] <skunkworks> not had a problem enableing the drives and disabling the brake at the same time
[13:41:42] -!- JT-Shop has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
[13:41:50] -!- JT-Shop [JT-Shop!~john@75-105-204-71.cust.wildblue.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[13:53:09] <R2E4> ok, I'll do that
[13:53:34] <R2E4> Gots to scrounch up 90VDC though...... for the brake
[13:58:21] -!- terabyte- [terabyte-!~terabyte@c-76-18-21-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has parted #linuxcnc
[14:00:48] <skunkworks> 8 12v car batteries?
[14:00:56] <skunkworks> ;)
[14:01:21] <Jymmm> ten 9V batteries
[14:01:55] <GuShH_> So I'm watching this for lack of having anything better to watch
http://www.rockntv1.com/2014/01/40939-6x26-mini-knee-mill-review.html (the video) and I noticed the tags, quite some funny ones heh
[14:02:07] <GuShH_> "MADE IN CHINA FIXED IN USA" haha
[14:02:24] <gonzo_> a 20-0-20 transformer and voltage doubler
[14:02:26] <GuShH_> It just confirms what I already knew, these machines are a waste.
[14:02:54] <GuShH_> R2E4: how much current at 90vdc?
[14:05:08] <R2E4> 60 1.5v AAA batteries
[14:05:15] * GuShH_ stabs R2E4
[14:05:30] <GuShH_> how much current?
[14:05:50] <R2E4> Its just a solenoid in the motor, so I would say 1 amp max
[14:06:01] <GuShH_> measure it's inductance or at least it's resistance
[14:06:05] <GuShH_> surely the solenoid is rated
[14:06:10] -!- Valen has quit [Quit: Leaving.]
[14:06:15] <GuShH_> and solenoids come in many sizes
[14:06:16] <R2E4> I have the bridege rectifier they used. They put 100vac in and used that dc
[14:06:26] -!- patrickarlt has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[14:06:27] <GuShH_> yeah that was going to be my suggestion
[14:06:38] <GuShH_> but that's way over 90vdc
[14:06:40] <GuShH_> unless you drop it
[14:06:49] <GuShH_> and here it wouldn't work, we have 220
[14:07:13] <R2E4> The schematics show 90vdc, but the machine had 100vac going into the bridge and the output going directly to the brake with a snubber on it.
[14:07:38] <GuShH_> snubber is just for the solenoid coil
[14:07:44] <R2E4> yeah
[14:07:57] <GuShH_> better than no snubber!
[14:08:25] <R2E4> As soon as I do this, i have the spindle and then the tool changer and its done./.....
[14:08:37] <GuShH_> :o
[14:08:45] <GuShH_> Can I play with it?
[14:08:58] <R2E4> my snubber?
[14:09:01] <GuShH_> Haha
[14:09:09] * GuShH_ frowns
[14:09:28] <R2E4> I sit infront of it running the X and Y..,...
[14:09:37] <R2E4> send it mdi commands, watch it run.
[14:09:40] -!- tjtr33 [tjtr33!~tjtr33@76-216-190-185.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[14:09:42] <R2E4> hehe
[14:09:43] <GuShH_> Hrmm trying to identify this steel, it machines very nicely but the chips are more like dust, as if it were iron, but it behaves like steel... do most free machining steels cut like that? I've only seen them chip nicely
[14:09:51] -!- denishaskin has quit [Quit: Leaving.]
[14:10:06] <GuShH_> should do a spark test
[14:10:29] <GuShH_> although I've cut it with the angle grinder before, I remember they were relatively short yellow sparks
[14:10:56] -!- skunkworks_ [skunkworks_!~chatzilla@68-115-41-210.static.eucl.wi.charter.com] has joined #linuxcnc
[14:11:10] <tjtr33> 240Vac single wave rectified might do ( dryer outlet and a single diode, no caps! )
[14:11:55] -!- patrickarlt has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds]
[14:12:33] <kengu> how critical is the length of the db25 cable between mesa cards 7i76+6i25 be. as I was planning on putting the pc under the plasma table in the frame somewhere there (no problem with cable) but other option is to put it up on the wall. could be better but I would need 1m more of cable. cable now is the 6ft that came with the kit.
[14:13:57] <GuShH_> tjtr33: what?
[14:14:10] <GuShH_> in what world do you get 90vdc from rectifying 240VAC
[14:14:13] <CaptHindsight> kengu: how far do you need to go?
[14:14:16] <GuShH_> you get over 300vdc.
[14:14:19] <GuShH_> whether it's single or full
[14:14:29] -!- mablae_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]
[14:14:32] <kengu> CaptHindsight: 2m to 3m so one meter more
[14:15:12] <GuShH_> kengu: what's the interface?
[14:15:26] <jdh> 170V
[14:15:27] <GuShH_> protocol
[14:15:57] <CaptHindsight> GuShH_: between a Mesa 6i25 and 7i76
[14:16:12] <GuShH_> but it's rs-422 or similar?
[14:16:29] <GuShH_> an extra meter will work assuming you use good quality cables and connectors
[14:16:43] <CaptHindsight> if forget, maybe someone can beat me looking it up in the docs
[14:16:52] * GuShH_ shrugs
[14:17:44] <R2E4> pcw did not reccomend me changing their 6foot cable to 10ft. So I didnt.
[14:17:45] <tjtr33> GuShH_, on earth, dunno where you're from, single diode Vdc = Vpeak / pi 240/pi = 76.4 or 120Vac fullwave ( 4 diodes ) is near same
[14:17:52] <GuShH_> youtube should really allow one to ban a finite amount of ads depending on where they come from
[14:18:02] <GuShH_> for instance that dave dude, I don't want to see his face nor hear his bitchy whiny voice...
[14:18:59] <GuShH_> tjtr33 : peak is the same whether you rectify single or full, you just change the amount of pulses at any given point in time with the type of rectification.
[14:19:38] <GuShH_> unless you want to double or triple
[14:19:47] <GuShH_> from split windings.
[14:19:49] <CaptHindsight> kengu: Mesa also ships 10' cables so your 12' should not be a problem with quality IEEE-1284 cables
[14:19:57] <tjtr33> and the value is near 76V likely will handle the brake rated at 90V
[14:20:32] <kengu> CaptHindsight: uhm. I tried finding alternative cables from mesanet but got distracted before I got to the cables
[14:20:35] <kengu> great
[14:20:36] <kengu> thanks
[14:21:09] <GuShH_> tjtr33: no, single or full rectified 240 is always going to be near to 340VDC, what are you talking about?
[14:21:15] <GuShH_> perhaps you got your terms wrong.
[14:21:26] <CaptHindsight> kengu: even though they are differential pairs you'll still want to use good practice when routing. Not near other high voltage or high current sources etc etc
[14:22:24] <tjtr33> please read , its was single rectification not full wave not filtered
[14:22:40] <tjtr33> yes your terms are wrong
[14:22:42] <kengu> yeah. that is the tricky part as it is a plasma cutter but I'll try
[14:22:43] <GuShH_> single means 1 diode in series, it will peak to over 340
[14:23:03] <GuShH_> tjtr33: you are misguiding him and YOUR terms are wrong
[14:23:56] <tjtr33> the guy who needs to relase the brake, make a simple test and abvouid the info your get here. the meter will tell you the truth
[14:24:09] <pcw_home> 120V with 1/2 wave rectifier and no filter should be close
[14:24:23] <tjtr33> no hten GuShH_ would be wrong!
[14:24:52] <GuShH_> my god you are a major troll
[14:24:56] <GuShH_> have you ever studied EE to begin with
[14:25:15] <GuShH_> or are you an ass crack branding electrician with electrical tape ear-rings?
[14:25:17] <pcw_home> (though I dont know if there enough inductance to reduce the 60 Hz ripple enough)
[14:25:54] <GuShH_> that's up to the coil's field, neither of you know the details -which were asked by me but got no response-
[14:26:13] <pcw_home> for a capacitor input filter you want about 65VAC
[14:26:18] <tjtr33> hope the guy with the brake gets what he needs
[14:27:41] <GuShH_> hope is not part of any electrical equation
[14:28:43] <pcw_home> Since it was run before with no filter and fullwave rect at 100VAC that might be easiest
[14:28:45] <pcw_home> (if th e100VAC is still around)
[14:29:03] <GuShH_> you would have to introduce a series resistor and "HOPE".
[14:29:06] <R2E4> I am going to give it exactly what it had before. 100vac going through a full wav bridge =>snubber=solenoid(in the moor)
[14:29:21] <GuShH_> who uses 100vac?
[14:29:30] <R2E4> The japaneese.
[14:29:31] <pcw_home> Japanese
[14:29:43] <GuShH_> they still do? not 110-120?
[14:29:46] -!- qingpei has quit [Quit: qingpei]
[14:29:58] <GuShH_> are you in Japan?
[14:30:08] <R2E4> no, but I have a Japaneese machine
[14:30:23] <GuShH_> what's your mains voltage
[14:30:25] <pcw_home> Most Fanuc drives of the 80s's/90's have 100 VAC somewhere
[14:30:39] <R2E4> 220 3 phase
[14:30:47] <GuShH_> what the homebrew electrician was trying to suggest won't work unless you introduce a limiting factor, or you don't care to fry the coil
[14:31:41] <pcw_home> do what was originally done: 100VAC --> Bridge --> coil
[14:31:46] <GuShH_> excess heat will eventually break down the insulation, specially given the vibrations of over-driving it
[14:31:58] <R2E4> yeah, thats what I'll do pcw
[14:32:29] <pcw_home> and arc suppressors!
[14:33:03] * GuShH_ gives up on homebrews
[14:33:22] <GuShH_> do whatever you want, in fact, hook it up to your stick welder in reverse for all I care now.
[14:33:27] <R2E4> IT has one allready. I left it intact. I have just a pair of wires to apply 90vdc...
[14:33:52] <R2E4> haha, GuShH: what did you eat for breakfast?
[14:34:10] <GuShH_> R2E4: a sensible conversion is performed by using an auto-transformer with multiple taps, which will get you 120, 110, 100 VAC to choose from.
[14:34:21] <skunkworks> eh - sometimes doing everything 'by the book' isn't worth the time and effort..
[14:34:36] <GuShH_> that's how it's done in the industry, now if you are a ghetto ass duct-tape-riggin-white-trash-dont-care guy, go ahead.
[14:34:51] <GuShH_> skunkworks: sometimes drinking and driving is OK, until someone dies too.
[14:34:58] * jdh whips out the duct tape
[14:35:00] <GuShH_> it's all OK until you fry it.
[14:35:11] <GuShH_> a hamster on a dc generator will be OK.
[14:35:15] <CaptHindsight> good thing I didn't mention running a cord over from Japan
[14:35:26] <skunkworks> heh
[14:35:39] <R2E4> I didnt want to replace everything in the machine.
[14:35:50] <skunkworks> our matsuura at the moment is being run by extention cord...
[14:36:16] <GuShH_> what you can do is either use a simple triac chopper, or series diode with a limiting factor (namely a resistor) you can then filter to reduce harmonics and noise, the snubber is doing another job, which is to dampen the back emf and nothing else.
[14:36:58] <GuShH_> but go ahead, fry it or abuse it however you wish, not my equipment!
[14:37:09] <R2E4> IT is getting the exact same thing it had before. How is that abusing it?
[14:37:18] <GuShH_> an autotransformer costs close to nothing you probably already have one as well.
[14:37:39] <R2E4> What do I need an autotransformer for?
[14:37:52] <GuShH_> you have 220 mains, unless you introduce a resistor you'll be giving it peaks of three to four times it's rated voltage.
[14:38:02] <GuShH_> good luck.
[14:38:19] <R2E4> giving what?
[14:38:21] <GuShH_> don't whine once it cooks up after a while!
[14:38:30] <R2E4> WTF are you talking about?
[14:38:45] <GuShH_> you shouldn't be near a couple wires if you can't read that.
[14:39:08] <R2E4> The machine takes 220 3 ph, thats exactly what I am giving it.
[14:39:25] -!- tjtr33 has quit [Quit: Leaving]
[14:40:11] <GuShH_> Prior to that, you said it was Japanese made and it took 100VAC, that the coil required 90VDC.
[14:40:15] <GuShH_> Get your shit straight first.
[14:40:33] <R2E4> There's transformer in there that supplys 100vac, which is used for switching and what not.
[14:40:33] <GuShH_> Don't waste everyone's time.
[14:40:52] <GuShH_> Then there's already an autotransformer, which was mentioned and you said "why would I want one of those"
[14:40:58] -!- tjtr33 [tjtr33!~tjtr33@76-216-190-185.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[14:41:05] <GuShH_> if it's isolating, all the better
[14:41:42] -!- skroon [skroon!~skroon@541F1FA3.cm-5-8a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #linuxcnc
[14:43:17] <R2E4> Never heard of a multitap transformer being called an autotransformer
[14:44:20] <GuShH_> a transformer which has only a primary is called an auto-transformer
[14:44:41] <GuShH_> it's commonly used to switch from 110 to 220 and vice-versa, some have multi-taps to switch between all standards.
[14:44:55] <GuShH_> there's no need for isolation on that case, so no secondary is present...
[14:45:01] <GuShH_> makes it cheaper to manufacture, just one winding.
[14:45:11] <GuShH_> it's a split inductor....
[14:45:23] <GammaX> archivist, you have a manual to that lathe by any chance?
[14:45:39] <GuShH_> I have one on my fridge, just because you haven't heard of the right term doesn't mean they don't exist...
[14:45:52] * jdh applies the duct tape
[14:46:06] <R2E4> never said it didnt exist.
[14:46:20] -!- sabotender [sabotender!~tandoorii@unaffiliated/tandoori] has joined #linuxcnc
[14:47:20] -!- krusty_ar has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
[14:47:32] <R2E4> Anyway, theres a few 3ph tansformers in there that take the 220 mains and supply voltages for several things. one of which is 100vac for the switching and it goes to a bridege rect, that is sent to the brake.
[14:47:39] <R2E4> through contacts
[14:48:07] * R2E4 removes the duct tape
[14:48:10] <GuShH_> That's fine, but until just NOW we didn't know the step-down was already present, which is why all of those suggestions were given
[14:48:23] <GuShH_> it was most likely already retro-fitted.
[14:48:38] <R2E4> no, those are from the factory.
[14:48:38] <GuShH_> you are not playing with a machine that hasn't been modified before.
[14:48:53] <GuShH_> why would they need the transformer, if they have 100vac in Japan.
[14:49:11] <GuShH_> unless all of the control circuit is way under voltage than what you expect.
[14:49:18] <R2E4> the machine's main supply is 220 3 ph
[14:49:31] <GuShH_> why even mention it's japanese, if it was always 220
[14:49:48] <GuShH_> you are full of shit sir. I suggest you quit on the pills or the booze, whatever is messing with your head.
[14:49:48] <R2E4> because they use 100vac
[14:49:52] <GuShH_> fuck sake.
[14:50:11] <GuShH_> they wouldn't in the industry they most likely use 220 or 380 or 600
[14:50:30] <CaptHindsight> https://www.adafruit.com/products/636#Description carries that $50 ebay microscope
http://www.adafruit.com/images/large/ID636die_LRG.jpg they don't say the working distance of this shot
[14:50:39] * GuShH_ gives up all "hope"
[14:51:06] <CaptHindsight> these might be a good fit for a spindle mounted camera for auto=alignment
[14:51:35] <R2E4> theres no hope in electronics
[14:52:27] <CaptHindsight> if it works with Linux
[14:52:28] <GuShH_> this is electrical work, not electronic.
[14:52:45] <GuShH_> electricians are like plumbers.
[14:52:49] <GuShH_> or basic mechanics.
[14:53:18] <CaptHindsight> and doctors are like body mechanics
[14:56:14] -!- denishaskin has quit [Quit: Leaving.]
[15:02:21] -!- mejackreed has quit [Quit: Leaving.]
[15:04:43] -!- mejackreed has quit [Client Quit]
[15:10:13] <GuShH_> CaptHindsight: they swap parts around until you work?
[15:10:24] <GuShH_> that's what mechanics do.
[15:10:53] -!- skunkworks_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds]
[15:11:02] <CaptHindsight> parts and meds sure
[15:11:37] -!- GammaX has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
[15:11:39] -!- Gamma-X [Gamma-X!~Gamma-X@50.97.94.23-static.reverse.softlayer.com] has joined #linuxcnc
[15:12:10] -!- tjtr33 has quit [Quit: Leaving]
[15:17:58] -!- krusty_ar has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
[15:20:02] -!- amnesic has quit [Quit: amnesic]
[15:20:16] -!- jthornton_ [jthornton_!~john@75-105-204-71.cust.wildblue.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[15:20:26] -!- jthornton__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
[15:24:22] -!- JT-Shop_ [JT-Shop_!~john@75-105-204-71.cust.wildblue.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[15:25:27] -!- qingpei has quit [Quit: qingpei]
[15:27:42] -!- JT-Shop has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
[15:31:40] -!- krusty_ar has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds]
[15:34:57] -!- terabyte- [terabyte-!~terabyte@c-76-18-21-170.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[15:35:05] -!- valeech has quit [Quit: valeech]
[15:39:26] -!- Einar [Einar!~Einar@108.90-149-34.nextgentel.com] has joined #linuxcnc
[15:40:10] <archivist> Gamma-X, no and the price from southbend themselves frightened me
[15:40:25] <Gamma-X> hmmm hae a model number? Maby one online
[15:41:20] <archivist> it you give your serial number they can give you the build record too
[15:41:49] <Gamma-X> just want general schematics and instructions for the guys at the shop
[15:42:34] <archivist> never really needed a manual for mine, just do it :)
[15:43:08] <archivist> I did take off the power switch when I putr a single phase motor on it
[15:43:45] <Gamma-X> well no one knows the speeds of the thing and I got the clutch to lock into place with that dogbone, thanks!
[15:44:30] -!- bill2or3 [bill2or3!bill@cloudburst.xmission.com] has parted #linuxcnc
[15:48:40] <archivist> setting the back gear and dog clutch is a way of removing chucks etc
[15:57:51] -!- patrickarlt has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[16:03:58] -!- pancaker has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]
[16:09:22] -!- jthornton__ [jthornton__!~john@75-105-204-71.cust.wildblue.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[16:11:31] -!- krusty_ar has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
[16:12:37] -!- jthornton_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
[16:25:50] -!- qingpei has quit [Quit: qingpei]
[16:40:21] -!- sumpfralle [sumpfralle!~lars@31-18-248-99-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #linuxcnc
[16:50:30] -!- krusty_ar has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
[16:53:04] -!- mablae__ has quit [Quit: Leaving]
[17:03:15] -!- amiri has quit [Quit: leaving]
[17:08:42] -!- ler_hydra [ler_hydra!~ler_hydra@sailor-link.olf.sgsnet.se] has joined #linuxcnc
[17:11:09] -!- patrickarlt has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[17:12:06] -!- zoso has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[17:21:37] -!- qingpei has quit [Quit: qingpei]
[17:22:39] KreAture_Zzz is now known as KreAture
[17:24:30] -!- mejackreed has quit [Quit: Leaving.]
[17:25:13] -!- smi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]
[17:27:48] -!- thomaslindstr_m has quit [Quit: Leaving...]
[17:38:06] -!- larryone has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep]
[17:38:35] -!- kb8wmc [kb8wmc!~chatzilla@64.25.194.29] has joined #linuxcnc
[17:44:17] -!- IchGuckLive [IchGuckLive!~chatzilla@95-89-102-56-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #linuxcnc
[17:44:20] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[17:44:53] <IchGuckLive> XXCoder1: ?
[17:45:17] <IchGuckLive> GuShH_: ?
[17:46:28] <IchGuckLive> kengu: ?
[17:46:35] <kengu> who?
[17:46:36] <kengu> lonely
[17:46:48] <IchGuckLive> hi you asked about DB25 cable lengt
[17:46:57] <R2E4> roll call? lol
[17:46:57] <kengu> I installed plasma cutter linuxcnc computer on the ceiling
[17:47:05] <kengu> it did work with the longer cable
[17:47:11] <kengu> at least without plasma operative
[17:47:13] <IchGuckLive> i drive the Mesa 5i25/7i76 on a 15feet cable at 5m/min
[17:47:27] <IchGuckLive> its a plasma here 2
[17:47:33] <_methods> plasma makes a lot of EMI
[17:47:48] <kengu> yeah. but I am pretty sure it will still work
[17:47:48] <_methods> ground ground ground
[17:47:54] <IchGuckLive> _methods: agree you need a IEEE1284
[17:48:12] <_methods> yeah i've had lots of plasma related issues
[17:48:18] <_methods> piercing
[17:48:18] <IchGuckLive> kengu: no problems here in germany so far
[17:48:38] <IchGuckLive> _methods: plasma is a
[17:48:58] <_methods> IchGuckLive: you have a plasma?
[17:49:03] <IchGuckLive> 3
[17:49:09] <_methods> what torch height controls?
[17:49:15] <kengu> no thc
[17:49:19] <_methods> ah
[17:49:23] <kengu> (here)
[17:49:30] <IchGuckLive> i use a EAGLE compatible from Polen
[17:49:43] <_methods> torch?
[17:49:44] <IchGuckLive> kengu: go THC
[17:50:07] <IchGuckLive> torch ios 2 mauell and one cnc
[17:52:34] -!- skunkworks has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]
[17:56:18] <kengu> IchGuckLive: the z is floating at the moment, pneumatic up/down. I would need to figure out a way to control z with a stepper or something to be able to.. but yeah. It is on the list but not first priority at the moment
[17:56:32] <kengu> binary z at the moment (:
[17:58:09] <IchGuckLive> you will burn up your nozzles realy fast in no control
[18:03:04] <GuShH_> IchGuckLive: hi
[18:04:13] <IchGuckLive> hi in my youtube channel there are 2 videos that show the foamcutter cutting parts in ONe fixure
[18:05:33] -!- skunkworks [skunkworks!~chatzilla@68-115-41-210.static.eucl.wi.charter.com] has joined #linuxcnc
[18:05:43] <IchGuckLive> GuShH_:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wT_ndXDZ0DU a rome entry in one shot
[18:06:29] <IchGuckLive> GuShH_: a scale ship for GFK molding in one shot
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMp6QVtOoZw
[18:08:19] <XXCoder1> IchGuckLive: hey
[18:08:25] <kb8wmc> IchGuckLive: hello, your recent video looks good for editing the heeks file
[18:08:38] <IchGuckLive> XXCoder1: see the last to youtube links
[18:08:59] <XXCoder1> lemme look
[18:09:05] <IchGuckLive> kb8wmc: thanks the goal is to see the python changes clear readabel
[18:09:10] <XXCoder1> better not be handheld
[18:09:23] <XXCoder1> ow. heh
[18:09:43] <kb8wmc> I had to set the resolution higher then all was clear
[18:09:46] <IchGuckLive> XXCoder1: look at the rome entry scale pice
[18:09:47] <XXCoder1> awesome though!
[18:09:58] <XXCoder1> foam eh
[18:10:23] -!- dway has quit [Quit: NOOOOOOooooooooo……]
[18:10:31] <XXCoder1> 15 series 8020 eh
[18:11:42] <XXCoder1> it's awesome though
[18:16:02] -!- valeech has quit [Quit: valeech]
[18:18:08] -!- pancaker has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]
[18:24:15] -!- sirdancealot [sirdancealot!~koo5@194.228.11.172] has joined #linuxcnc
[18:30:45] <CaptHindsight> kengu: what plasma cutter do you have mounted on that?
[18:31:57] <kengu> HyperTherm Powermax45
[18:35:10] <CaptHindsight> kengu: easy to mount? does it comer with brackets or did you fab something?
[18:35:40] -!- patrickarlt has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[18:35:55] <CaptHindsight> I see they have a machine torch version
[18:36:31] <kengu> it is some machine torch
[18:36:41] <kengu> it was on it when it shipped from china
[18:36:58] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hypertherm-Powermax-45-Plasma-Cutter-Mechanized-088022-/370891029400
[18:38:20] <kengu> looks familiar
[18:39:06] -!- cpresser has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
[18:40:34] -!- KimK_w has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[18:41:07] <IchGuckLive> i dont like the hypertherm cost are to high on thin sheets
[18:41:34] <IchGuckLive> but up to 8mm+15mm thick it is the best
[18:41:50] <GuShH_> IchGuckLive: very nice, are the plans available somewhere?
[18:42:00] <IchGuckLive> the 50:1 THC divider gives very good results
[18:42:16] <IchGuckLive> GuShH_: plans on wwhat
[18:42:21] <GuShH_> styrocut
[18:42:37] <IchGuckLive> its just XY
[18:42:55] <IchGuckLive> and a wire in between 8Ohm per meter ;-)
[18:42:56] <GuShH_> you can get XY in over 1000 different ways though
[18:43:34] <IchGuckLive> yeah thats up to you what you got in germany there is good supply on all kind of things this is different in the world
[18:43:35] <_methods> waht plasma cutters are you all using?
[18:44:13] <IchGuckLive> Expondo is the best at 300Euros
[18:44:28] <IchGuckLive> nozzel sets 10 pices 30USD
[18:44:35] -!- md-2 has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[18:44:41] <_methods> nozzle and electrode?
[18:44:47] <_methods> or is it just a nozzle
[18:44:50] -!- Nick001-shop [Nick001-shop!~chatzilla@plns-64-111-157-183-pppoe.dsl.plns.epix.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[18:44:50] <IchGuckLive> yes and 3 caps
[18:46:21] <_methods> how many amps is your power supply?
[18:46:37] <IchGuckLive> on what
[18:46:41] <_methods> expondo
[18:46:48] <_methods> torch power pack
[18:46:50] <IchGuckLive> 55
[18:46:53] <_methods> nice
[18:46:59] <_methods> cut 12mm?
[18:47:03] <_methods> pierce 12mm
[18:47:27] <IchGuckLive> lower then 5mm you need only 25
[18:47:41] <_methods> what is maximum thickness?
[18:48:02] <IchGuckLive> i did not thest this as we got a hypertherm on that
[18:48:14] <_methods> hypertherm 1250?
[18:48:23] <_methods> http://www.ebay.com/itm/LOTOS-IGBT-70-Amps-Pilot-Arc-Plasma-Cutter-LTP7000-with-CNC-cutting-feature-/380667875492?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item58a192d0a4
[18:48:40] <IchGuckLive> powrmax 85
[18:49:14] -!- md-2 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]
[18:50:05] <_methods> i need a better air compressor before i build my plasma table
[18:51:04] <IchGuckLive> _methods: 43.5m is not a good length for the torch cable you might run into trouble
[18:51:09] <IchGuckLive> 4.5
[18:51:21] <_methods> i'mg going to build a small table
[18:51:30] <_methods> 48"x48"
[18:51:39] <IchGuckLive> ou need for a good plasma table size that means normal sheet marall parts a 7m cable
[18:52:07] -!- cpresser [cpresser!~cpresser@rstenpresser.de] has joined #linuxcnc
[18:52:14] <IchGuckLive> 1.5x1.5m is the min i woudt go
[18:52:21] <_methods> yeah
[18:52:25] <_methods> that's what i'm building
[18:52:34] <IchGuckLive> as there are very good rail prises at that length
[18:52:38] <_methods> if i need to cut somethign bigger i'll do it at work
[18:53:17] <IchGuckLive> _methods: so why a expensiv cutter its only 2 cables that need to be solded
[18:54:24] <_methods> ?
[18:55:04] <_methods> anyone here used this thc
[18:55:06] <_methods> http://www.candcnc.com/LCTHC.html
[18:56:32] <IchGuckLive> _methods: why not the eagle plasma one you can build this in your case
[18:56:40] <_methods> eagle plasma?
[18:56:46] <IchGuckLive> and it got Linuxcnc access
[18:57:01] <IchGuckLive> http://eagleplasma.com/thc.htm
[18:57:26] <_methods> tht would work too
[18:57:33] <IchGuckLive> just hook it up and you are done and it also ot the hypertherm divider
[18:57:59] <IchGuckLive> same from polen
http://proma-elektronika.pl/cnc-plasma-thc-controller-torch-height-control/
[18:58:06] <IchGuckLive> this is the one i use
[18:58:35] <_methods> i'm still doing research
[18:58:44] <_methods> need to pick table design still
[18:58:47] <IchGuckLive> on hacked THCUD comp and using M66 for wait on pircing ready
[18:59:06] <IchGuckLive> _methods: did you see my vid on design
[18:59:16] <_methods> no
[18:59:50] <IchGuckLive> keep in mind 1inch + flame size water depth
[19:00:14] <IchGuckLive> so 30-40mm
[19:00:45] <IchGuckLive> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6kllGspehQ
[19:00:46] <_methods> i won't use water table
[19:02:05] <IchGuckLive> you shoudt
[19:02:15] <IchGuckLive> ok im off
[19:02:20] <pcw_home> Or use our THCAD and let linuxcnc do the THC
[19:02:21] -!- IchGuckLive has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 20.0/20130329043827]]
[19:02:57] <_methods> thcad?
[19:03:38] <pcw_home> an alternate way to do a THC is to use a LinuxCNC compatible A-D and let linuxcnc do all the logic
[19:03:48] <_methods> i see the mesa card?
[19:03:57] <_methods> lilke a real plasma table
[19:04:33] <_methods> i assumed that those other thc solutions were doing the same thing
[19:04:42] -!- md-2 has quit [Client Quit]
[19:05:31] <_methods> you need a better pc to handle that?
[19:07:08] <pcw_home> Not really
[19:07:10] <pcw_home> the A-D brings the torch voltage into LinuxCNC and all control is done in HAL (vs an external box)
[19:07:13] <pcw_home> bbl
[19:07:37] <_methods> k
[19:08:10] -!- amnesic has quit [Quit: amnesic]
[19:08:12] -!- Cylly [Cylly!cylly@p54B11A5A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #linuxcnc
[19:09:18] -!- sumpfralle has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
[19:09:58] -!- PetefromTn_Andro [PetefromTn_Andro!~PetefromT@172.56.21.132] has joined #linuxcnc
[19:10:03] <_methods> oh wow mesa cleaned up their site
[19:10:25] -!- Loetmichel has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
[19:10:27] <_methods> prices and no insane list
[19:10:33] -!- sumpfralle [sumpfralle!~lars@31-18-248-99-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #linuxcnc
[19:10:47] <Deejay> "welcome to the black mesa transit system"
[19:11:05] -!- denishaskin has quit [Quit: Leaving.]
[19:11:25] <_methods> wow it's much better
[19:11:57] <PetefromTn_Andro> It needed some help..
[19:12:25] <Deejay> hi pete from tennessee
[19:12:30] <_methods> the plug and go kits is nice
[19:12:37] <_methods> makes it less confusing i guess for new people
[19:12:43] <PetefromTn_Andro> Hey deejay..
[19:12:54] <_methods> hell i still get cornfused when i'm tryin to pick something on there
[19:13:43] -!- mejackreed has quit [Quit: Leaving.]
[19:14:39] <_methods> they need a super dummy section for people like me though
[19:14:47] <_methods> that breaks down the card uses barney style
[19:17:09] <PetefromTn_Andro> Wouldn't hurt..
[19:19:34] <_methods> crayons would help me
[19:20:04] <PetefromTn_Andro> Me too I love colors.
[19:22:33] -!- miss0r1 [miss0r1!~cnc@188-183-233-18-dynamic.dk.customer.tdc.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[19:24:03] <miss0r1> I have just built a transistor driver for a relay connected to my spindle on this cheap chinese cnc mill. I am now trying to figure out how to configure the .hal file so that I can turn the spindle on and off - it is connected to pin 2, and should come out on the other side of this tonsen 4-axis controller as axis 'a' 'CK'. Any suggestions?
[19:26:30] -!- sumpfralle has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
[19:28:06] -!- jthornton_ [jthornton_!~john@75-105-204-71.cust.wildblue.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[19:28:07] -!- jthornton__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
[19:31:43] <miss0r1> I guess what I am also asking: What should it look like in the hal config to use the commands M3 and M5 ?
[19:34:46] -!- denishaskin has quit [Quit: Leaving.]
[19:35:44] <_methods> why would it come out as axis a?
[19:35:53] <_methods> shouldnt that be for an actual A axis
[19:37:29] <miss0r1> indeed. But I have no A axis, so I just decided to use one of its outputs. But I have made it work. Thanks thou
[19:37:38] <_methods> k
[19:41:30] <PetefromTn_Andro> Jeez man 5:30 is never gonna get here today...
[19:41:59] -!- sumpfralle [sumpfralle!~lars@g226019084.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #linuxcnc
[19:46:04] -!- jthornton__ [jthornton__!~john@75-105-204-71.cust.wildblue.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[19:46:05] -!- jthornton_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
[19:47:17] <gene78> do we have a parport.#.pin#-out-not function?
[19:49:05] <gene78> apparently not, my .hal file gets loooonnggeerrr
[19:54:27] -!- sumpfralle has quit [Read error: Operation timed out]
[19:54:36] -!- ler_hydra has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[19:54:38] -!- mejackreed has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
[19:56:25] -!- krusty_ar has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
[19:56:34] -!- PetefromTn_Andro has quit [Quit: Bye]
[20:02:38] -!- ve7it [ve7it!~LawrenceG@S01060014d19d0b68.pk.shawcable.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[20:10:17] -!- mejackreed has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
[20:11:03] -!- skunkworks has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds]
[20:21:13] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/130935455737 super precision XY gantry $2500
[20:23:38] -!- Nick001-shop has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
[20:25:15] <humble_sea_bass> loving the supre precision 2x3's it sits on
[20:26:04] <CaptHindsight> those are just wood grain granite blocks
[20:26:47] -!- rodfrey [rodfrey!~rodfrey@69.158.13.69] has joined #linuxcnc
[20:26:52] <humble_sea_bass> i want this so bad
[20:26:56] <CaptHindsight> that table new was probably $50K
[20:27:07] <humble_sea_bass> http://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/img_1800.jpg
[20:27:17] <CaptHindsight> well now, but back then $30K
[20:27:44] <Gamma-X> hey guys still building my machinist tool collection... can you recomend top 5-10 tools used with machining?
[20:28:00] <_methods> caliper 0-8
[20:28:04] <_methods> mic 0-1
[20:28:12] <_methods> edge finder
[20:28:20] <rodfrey> Hello! I'm a newb to both machine building and linuxcnc. I'm having trouble understanding how to connect my VFD to the controller.
[20:28:22] <_methods> deburring tool
[20:28:22] <CaptHindsight> humble_sea_bass: end of arm plasma paint remover?
[20:28:55] <_methods> dial indicator
[20:28:56] <humble_sea_bass> you could probably take over several small countries with that arm
[20:29:02] <rodfrey> I'm using the Mesa 5i25 with 7i76 daughterboard.
[20:29:12] <Gamma-X> _methods, got all those so far...
[20:29:27] <_methods> well you should be good to go lol
[20:29:29] <CaptHindsight> Kukas are for cocopuffs
[20:29:38] <_methods> coaxial indicator
[20:29:58] <rodfrey> I actually don't know where in the chain my problem lies... but I can't get the spindle enable posts on the 7i76 to work. When I try to enable the spindle in pncconf, it crashes, and I don't know what to put in the .hal file manually.
[20:30:03] <_methods> i have a motorcycle mirror with a magnet on it for when i'm workin on tombstones
[20:30:07] <_methods> doing setup
[20:30:14] <_methods> so i can see the far side of tombstone
[20:30:35] <_methods> lots of rulers
[20:30:42] <_methods> parallesl
[20:31:47] <_methods> mag bases
[20:32:06] <_methods> what type of machinist are you?
[20:32:09] <_methods> cnc setup
[20:32:11] <_methods> operator
[20:32:15] <_methods> manual mostly?
[20:32:16] <Gamma-X> lol
[20:32:19] <Gamma-X> cnc
[20:32:22] -!- rodfrey has quit [Quit: Leaving]
[20:32:25] <_methods> setup or operator
[20:32:33] <Gamma-X> both
[20:32:54] -!- rodfrey [rodfrey!~rod@69.158.13.69] has joined #linuxcnc
[20:32:54] <Gamma-X> got all my machinery, just building tool colection for wht I dont know about.
[20:33:03] <_methods> you have the basics like wrenches and stuff
[20:33:12] <_methods> allan's, thandles,
[20:33:58] <Gamma-X> yeah yeah
[20:34:07] <_methods> well what your machining will determine a lot of the tools you need
[20:34:58] <Gamma-X> ill be doing a lot of repeat work so making jigs would be good... is there software that would make a jig setup in cad for the part you created?
[20:35:16] -!- mizmay has quit [Quit: Page closed]
[20:36:05] -!- FinboySlick has quit [Quit: Leaving.]
[20:39:09] -!- psha has quit [Quit: Lost terminal]
[20:40:52] -!- tjtr33 [tjtr33!~tjtr33@50-82-152-116.client.mchsi.com] has joined #linuxcnc
[20:41:16] <rodfrey> Is anyone else getting 403/Forbidden on
http://www.linuxcnc.org?
[20:41:36] <CaptHindsight> yes, just did
[20:42:59] -!- Gamma_X [Gamma_X!~Gamma-X@184-96-175-183.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[20:44:21] -!- miss0r1 has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[20:45:59] -!- Gamma-X has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
[20:47:17] <cradek> I'm on it
[20:50:42] <tjtr33> fine here
[20:51:43] <cradek> fixed
[20:56:37] <tjtr33> that gantry is very hi quality, are those linear motors? specs say "Anorad magnetically controlled X/Y axis movement"
[21:03:19] <CaptHindsight> tjtr33: yes anorad linear servos
[21:04:59] -!- archivist_herron has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
[21:11:42] <rodfrey> thanks cradek for the quick fix
[21:14:25] <Jymmm> cradek:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qchPLaiKocI
[21:16:01] -!- mejackreed has quit [Quit: Leaving.]
[21:16:11] -!- cncbasher_ [cncbasher_!~quassel@cpc8-hart9-2-0-cust254.11-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[21:17:52] -!- archivist_herron [archivist_herron!~herron@80.175.14.110] has joined #linuxcnc
[21:17:53] -!- cncbasher_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
[21:17:53] -!- cncbasher has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
[21:22:50] -!- Nick001-shop [Nick001-shop!~chatzilla@plns-64-111-157-183-pppoe.dsl.plns.epix.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[21:31:38] <Einar> I'm about to try G76. My lathe have a rear mounted tool. I want a RH thread, so I must start near the chuck and thread out past the end of the workpiece. My tool have 30deg cutting edge facing away from the chuck. The thread is 22mm, 2.5mm pitch. So what should I put in the parameters? Z is obviously going to be larger than the start position near the chuck. But what about P and Q?
[21:31:44] <CaptHindsight> tjtr33: it looks a bit weathered but the linear servos don't wear, the coils might delaminate if they get hot enough
[21:32:19] -!- krusty_ar_ has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.]
[21:33:08] <CaptHindsight> some of the fasteners look a bit oxidized, so I'd ask for closeups of the linear bearings if interested
[21:36:47] <tjtr33> CaptHindsight, thx, i dont have a use for it but it looks like a good deal for someone wanting fast and precise
[21:36:53] -!- krusty_ar has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]
[21:37:57] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/171030384219 RV series rotation stage, DC servo high torque, 0.001deg resolution
[21:40:44] <tjtr33> 22rpm, those worm drives slow you down a lot ( mine is .001deg also with 90:1 split worm )
[21:40:49] -!- jerryitt has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity]
[21:44:49] -!- archivist_herron has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
[21:46:28] -!- einar__ [einar__!~einar@90.149.34.108] has joined #linuxcnc
[21:46:48] einar__ is now known as EinarLathe
[21:47:05] <CaptHindsight> how do you keep a ballscrew accurate without any preload on the bearings?
[21:47:12] -!- motioncontrol [motioncontrol!~io@host154-91-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #linuxcnc
[21:48:13] <CaptHindsight> those keiling routers count on the force from the flex couplings as preload
[21:49:50] <CaptHindsight> so the preload gets transferred onto the bearings on each end of the ballscrews and also onto the bearings in the motors
[21:49:58] -!- JT-Shop_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
[21:50:25] -!- JT-Shop_ [JT-Shop_!~john@75-105-204-71.cust.wildblue.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[21:50:58] -!- ries_nicked [ries_nicked!~ries@190.9.171.121] has joined #linuxcnc
[21:51:29] -!- ries has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
[21:51:30] ries_nicked is now known as ries
[21:55:45] -!- jthornton__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
[21:56:13] -!- jthornton__ [jthornton__!~john@75-105-204-71.cust.wildblue.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[21:56:37] -!- sumpfralle [sumpfralle!~lars@on1.informatik.uni-rostock.de] has joined #linuxcnc
[21:56:50] -!- jthornton__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
[21:57:16] -!- jthornton__ [jthornton__!~john@75-105-204-71.cust.wildblue.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[21:57:45] <CaptHindsight> http://imagebin.org/300638 the bearing on the left is 19mm OD in a 20mm ID hole
[21:58:10] -!- archivist_herron [archivist_herron!~herron@80.175.14.110] has joined #linuxcnc
[22:04:22] <PCW> got to leave room for expansion
[22:06:07] -!- sudobangbang has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
[22:06:44] <CaptHindsight> I was just looking at some others for higher prices and they use leadscrews
[22:07:08] <Deejay> gn8
[22:08:12] -!- PetefromTn_ [PetefromTn_!~IceChat9@24-158-172-171.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has joined #linuxcnc
[22:08:13] -!- Deejay has quit [Quit: bye]
[22:13:25] -!- grummund has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[22:15:08] -!- grummund [grummund!~user@unaffiliated/grummund] has joined #linuxcnc
[22:19:13] -!- alex_joni [alex_joni!~alex_joni@81.196.65.201] has joined #linuxcnc
[22:19:22] -!- alex_joni has quit [Changing host]
[22:19:22] -!- alex_joni [alex_joni!~alex_joni@emc/board-of-directors/alexjoni] has joined #linuxcnc
[22:19:22] -!- mode/#linuxcnc [+v alex_joni] by ChanServ
[22:23:58] -!- mle_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds]
[22:31:23] -!- motioncontrol has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[22:32:12] <Einar> What's wrong here:
http://sjaavik.no/linuxcnc-dev/gjenger.jpg Look at the start of thread on the left. Z accelerates too high, then settles back down.
[22:35:22] <XXCoder1> weird
[22:38:49] -!- FreezingCold has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
[22:40:03] <EinarLathe> here is the code that made it: g76 P2.5 z3 i-1 j0.3 k2.5 r2.0 q-30 e0.5 l1
[22:40:24] <EinarLathe> m6t1
[22:40:41] <EinarLathe> Oops! Wrong window. :-)
[22:40:58] <XXCoder1> well hope you solve it
[22:42:01] -!- Valen [Valen!~Valen@c211-30-128-202.blktn6.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #linuxcnc
[22:43:06] -!- EinarLathe has quit [Quit: Lathe going to sleep...]
[22:46:55] JT-Shop_ is now known as JT-Shop
[22:47:08] <JT-Shop> Einar, what kind of encoder do you have?
[22:48:48] -!- jthornton__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
[22:49:16] <Einar> I's home made: 90 slots, 1 deep slot. A,B on all slots, Index only reading deep slot.
[22:49:16] -!- jthornton__ [jthornton__!~john@75-105-204-71.cust.wildblue.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[22:49:48] -!- jthornton__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
[22:51:03] <Einar> Checked the input on Univstep board with a scope, and they are all nice and square with almost 5V swing.
[22:52:52] <Einar> Here are my .HAL files:
http://sjaavik.no/linuxcnc-dev/univstep/
[22:53:30] -!- The_Ball has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
[22:55:34] <Einar> Of interest maybe, from univstep_motion.hal: setp ppmc.0.encoder.03.scale 360
[22:58:07] <JT-Shop> I'm out of bandwidth for the month so I can't look at the jpg
[22:58:41] <JT-Shop> Z will try and keep up with the spindle
[23:01:00] -!- tinkerer has quit [Quit: Leaving.]
[23:03:05] <Einar> The .jpg shows that it starts out with too coarse pitch, then slows down and stays that way until the pass is finished.
[23:03:43] -!- patrickarlt has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[23:04:22] <JT-Shop> my guess is after the index pulse the Z is trying to "catch up" and the result is a coarse pitch
[23:04:42] <JT-Shop> what is your max velocity and acceleration on the Z axis
[23:04:59] <PCW> probably exceeding the Z axis accel limits
[23:05:37] <JT-Shop> kinda what I was thinking
[23:06:06] -!- calvinmetcalf has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity]
[23:07:56] -!- JT-Shop_ [JT-Shop_!~john@75-105-204-71.cust.wildblue.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[23:08:29] -!- JT-Shop_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
[23:08:31] <Einar> Max Velocity 30, max acceleration 80. (Metric)
[23:08:47] -!- JT-Shop_ [JT-Shop_!~john@75-105-204-71.cust.wildblue.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[23:09:29] <Einar> And Z SCALE 200
[23:11:30] -!- JT-Shop has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
[23:11:33] <JT-Shop_> my connection reset so the last thing I saw was And Z SCALE 200
[23:12:08] <Einar> Max Velocity 30, max acceleration 80. (Metric)
[23:12:50] <JT-Shop_> I would expect acceleration to be 300 to 600 for a max velocity of 30
[23:13:00] JT-Shop_ is now known as JT-Shop
[23:13:21] <JT-Shop> I've found 10-20 times velocity is acceleration
[23:14:42] <PCW> Yeah that's fairly slow (I think that accel is supposed to be factored out on spindle synced moves but there may be limits)
[23:15:44] <Einar> So I have to fiddle about with accel and PID too then. Any tips on figuring out when I overdo it?
[23:16:02] <JT-Shop> velocity servo drive?
[23:16:19] <Einar> No Univstep board and step motors.
[23:16:49] <JT-Shop> why do you have PID with steppers?
[23:17:10] <JT-Shop> I'm not familiar with Univstep
[23:17:23] <Einar> My question too. But that seems to be the way this board works.
[23:17:46] <PCW> Actually they all work that way
[23:18:36] <Einar> I feel a bit lost since there is no physical pin where I can connect my scope to. :-(
[23:18:59] <Einar> On PID inputs and outputs, that is.
[23:19:00] <PCW> (though in the Mesa and LinuxCNC software stepgen the feedback loop is built into the driver)
[23:19:17] <PCW> halscope
[23:19:36] <PCW> but the stepgen PID should not need tuning
[23:19:53] <Einar> I never got friendly with halscope. It's too different from my Fluke and Tek scopes.
[23:21:12] <PCW> Not familiar with Picosystems stepgens but another possible cause of "catching up" is not enough velocity headroom
[23:21:44] <PCW> but halscoping ferror will tell you if you have a tuning issue
[23:21:50] <JT-Shop> oh this is a pico systems board?
[23:22:06] <JT-Shop> Jon is on the forum and will help you out
[23:22:08] <Einar> Yes.
[23:22:35] <JT-Shop> have you been to the forum?
[23:23:54] <Einar> Yes. Here:
http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/26-turning/26991-converting-a-boxford-250b
[23:25:22] -!- denishaskin has quit [Quit: Leaving.]
[23:25:27] -!- PetefromTn_ has quit [Quit: Clap on! , Clap off! Clap@#&$NO CARRIER]
[23:30:32] <JT-Shop> post about your threading problem on the driver boards section with as much detail as you can
[23:31:27] -!- jef79m [jef79m!~jef79m@202-159-149-164.dyn.iinet.net.au] has parted #linuxcnc
[23:31:52] <Einar> It's midnight here now. I'll post in the thread tomorrow. Goodnight.
[23:33:11] -!- Einar has quit [Quit: Godnatt.]
[23:33:56] <JT-Shop> ok
[23:37:49] -!- AR_ [AR_!~AR@24.238.71.107] has joined #linuxcnc
[23:37:58] -!- FreezingCold [FreezingCold!~FreezingC@135.0.41.14] has joined #linuxcnc
[23:41:07] -!- mejackreed has quit [Quit: Leaving.]
[23:41:09] -!- The_Ball [The_Ball!~ballen@202.10.92.134] has joined #linuxcnc
[23:44:30] -!- andypugh [andypugh!~andy2@cpc14-basl11-2-0-cust436.20-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[23:47:30] -!- mozmck has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
[23:53:26] -!- JT-Shop has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
[23:53:36] -!- JT-Shop [JT-Shop!~john@75-105-204-71.cust.wildblue.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[23:58:34] -!- Nick001-shop has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 27.0.1/20140212131424]]
