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[00:28:25] <Tom_itx> andypugh, another way to hold them which may not be best would be to profile some softjaws to hold them
[00:28:46] <andypugh> I don't have anything to take soft jaws
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[00:29:08] <andypugh> (other than the 10" Kurt that I ought to get rid of as it is bigger than the table)
[00:29:14] <Tom_itx> then you should be able to finish the bottom complete without moving fixture bolts
[00:29:41] <Tom_itx> we used soft jaws alot for odd parts
[00:29:49] <Tom_itx> profile it right in the jaws
[00:30:30] <Tom_itx> another way would be to use some of those offcenter roller clamps on a flat piece of aluminum
[00:30:48] <Tom_itx> or some others that actually push down as they clamp
[00:30:52] <Tom_itx> i forget what they're called
[00:30:59] <humble_sea_bass> 1screwless?
[00:31:29] <Tom_itx> there's all sorts of odd clamps available like that
[00:31:53] <Tom_itx> probably not something you want to stop to find for this
[00:32:21] <andypugh> I am looking at these: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MILLING-CLAMPS-/191095326221?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item2c7e2b460d
[00:32:50] <andypugh> But no hint what the T-slot size is.
[00:33:01] <Tom_itx> yeah
[00:33:22] <andypugh> Or these: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-Vertex-T-slot-set-4pc-clamps-milling-drilling-direct-from-Myford-ltd-/191091068226?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item2c7dea4d42
[00:33:29] <Tom_itx> my bud started using special fixture mounts on an aluminum plate to eliminate all those frustrations
[00:33:41] <Tom_itx> able to hold all sorts of fixture clamps etc
[00:33:53] <Tom_itx> that does look like what i was suggesting though
[00:34:01] <andypugh> If I planned on making a bazillion it would be different.
[00:34:02] <Tom_itx> or similar at least
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[00:35:59] <Tom_itx> if you held it in visejaws, you'd wanna wait on the exterior radius
[00:36:07] <Tom_itx> which would add an op
[00:36:40] <Tom_itx> otherwise you'd be pinching the part you are milling away
[00:37:12] <Tom_itx> it might still work depending how deep the softjaws are cut
[00:37:25] <andypugh> I still need to work out how to beat the CAM into submission.
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[00:38:08] <Tom_itx> if you get stuck i could give it a whirl
[00:38:38] <Tom_itx> it's been a while but i try to keep in shape with my cad cam
[00:39:29] <Tom_itx> looks like you need a ballnose for sure on part of it
[00:39:47] <Tom_itx> some could be done with a bull depending on what you have available
[00:39:51] <andypugh> Well, the thing is that I don't really want to just do a depth raster. I want to pocket out the inner, then draw in the radii with a ball-nose. But the paths are not closed, because it tapers to nothing.
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[00:42:14] <Tom_itx> were you gonna ballnose the 2 edges that taper?
[00:42:37] <andypugh> I hadn't decided. I am not too proud to use a file :-)
[00:42:42] <Tom_itx> for production purposes it would be quicker that way but one or two off you may wanna do something different
[00:43:59] <Tom_itx> what's it for?
[00:44:05] <Tom_itx> if you said... i came in late
[00:45:19] <Tom_itx> i assumet the bottom is flat too
[00:45:45] <Tom_itx> something i learned not to do in aircraft parts
[00:46:01] <andypugh> Parts 103 and 104 here: http://www.geutskens.eu/neracar/frame_assy.htm
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[00:47:01] <andypugh> The bottom is flat. It isn't flat in the original. but I plan on bending it to siut the frame.
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[00:49:45] <Tom_itx> another restoration project?
[00:52:34] <andypugh> Maybe the same one?
[00:53:59] <andypugh> I currently have the Rivett lathe and the Ner-a-Car. So only two projects.
[00:54:33] <Tom_itx> would you do the pockets undersize the radius distance then let the ballnose finish it out?
[00:54:49] <andypugh> That was my plan, yes
[00:55:00] <Tom_itx> probably 6mm cutter?
[00:55:05] <Tom_itx> hard to judge size there
[00:55:28] <andypugh> Yes. The radius seems to be 3/32"
[00:56:20] <Tom_itx> or are you using inch cutter sizes?
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[00:57:04] <andypugh> I am using what I have. The parts are imperial / Whitworth / BA but my tooling is largely metric.
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[01:02:49] <Connor_iPad> What's up?
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[01:03:19] <andypugh> It's been a long day, was up at 0530, day trip to germany, and back home. It's 0100 now and I think I am going to climb the wooden hills.
[01:03:30] <Tom_itx> heh
[01:03:34] <andypugh> Night all.
[01:03:39] <Tom_itx> night andy
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[01:03:51] <Connor_iPad> Gnight Andy
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[01:14:53] <MrHindsight> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odJxJRAxdFU Three-Dimensional Mid-Air Acoustic Manipulation
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[01:54:00] <humble_sea_bass> that's pretty
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[03:26:24] <sabotender> moo
[03:26:26] <sabotender> hello all
[03:26:57] <sabotender> awwe, Connor_iPad is gone :-(
[03:27:02] <sabotender> I was going to ask him questions!
[03:31:43] <zeeshan> http://vietnam.craigslist.org/for/4372477162.html
[03:31:44] <zeeshan> LOL
[03:31:55] <zeeshan> who the hell sells an airplane on kijiji
[03:32:04] <zeeshan> on top of that its the missing airplane ;p
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[03:32:38] <sabotender> lol (this includes all the snacks on the plane)
[03:33:05] <sabotender> like that is a real important buyer's point of interest
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[03:35:14] <sabotender> oh lord, it's the missing aeroplane?
[03:35:28] <Connor> huh ?
[03:35:29] <sabotender> zeeshan: what sort of mill/router do you have over there?
[03:35:39] <sabotender> oooo Connor!
[03:35:53] <sabotender> I tried to highlight your ipad nick and noticed it wasn't there
[03:36:05] <sabotender> I didn't bother to check your main :-P
[03:36:10] <Connor> Yea.. having issues with freenode tonight
[03:36:30] <sabotender> ah I see. well mind if I ask you a few questions?
[03:36:36] <Connor> What's up?
[03:36:44] <zeeshan> connor is famous
[03:36:45] <zeeshan> :D
[03:36:52] <PetefromTn_Andro> Still have not received my damn bearing...
[03:36:58] <zeeshan> guess what i got today?!?!
[03:37:02] <zeeshan> my kennedy tool boxes
[03:37:09] <Connor> zeeshan: Cool
[03:37:09] <zeeshan> so i looked up the prices for each one on enco
[03:37:12] <zeeshan> total $2322
[03:37:13] <Connor> PetefromTn_Andro: Damn dude.. that sucks.
[03:37:19] <sabotender> Connor is more knowledgeable than I when it comes to CNC mills/and routers
[03:37:21] <zeeshan> i got em for 1200
[03:37:25] <zeeshan> and got a shit load of machinist tools
[03:37:29] <zeeshan> some of which i dont even know how to use
[03:37:34] <zeeshan> like the bore gauge
[03:37:35] <zeeshan> lol
[03:37:44] <zeeshan> need to find a youtube video =/
[03:37:58] <Connor> PetefromTn_Andro: Remember, wife kicking me out of the house tomorrow. :)
[03:38:02] <sabotender> remember when it was suggested that I get the 6040 mainbody and get the spindle + stepper motor + driver separately?
[03:38:12] <Connor> yea
[03:38:32] <sabotender> well, what other stuff would I need to get to assemble the complete router?
[03:38:40] <PetefromTn_Andro> Oh yeah you coming over again?
[03:38:53] <Connor> PetefromTn_Andro: Either that, or I roam the streets.. :)
[03:39:22] <PetefromTn_Andro> You don't strike me as the street roamin' sort...
[03:39:23] <Connor> sabotender: You'll want some 18 gauge 4 conductor wire (stranded, not solid) Alarm wire works good.
[03:39:50] <Connor> You'll want a PC with Para port and a Breakout board.. or a Mesa Card..
[03:39:53] <sabotender> I can assemble stuff without a problem if I have the instructions for it, but I am not mechanically inclined otherwise. I am an electrical engineer. I don't know much about cogs and sprokets and washers and stuff
[03:40:19] <Connor> Depending on what you end up getting, you might need couplers..
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[03:40:57] <Connor> You can use the super cheap aluminum ones that look like they've been spiral cut.. but, they can break due to stress fractures..
[03:41:08] <sabotender> http://www.geckodrive.com/geckodrive-step-motor-drives/g540.html <-- that was suggested
[03:41:11] <Connor> I'm on my second set on my DIY jobber
[03:41:21] <Connor> Yea..
[03:41:26] <Connor> I would look at this one.
[03:41:34] <sabotender> and some leadshines, but I can't find the prices for the leadshine stepper motors
[03:41:43] <Connor> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/digital-stepper-motor-driver/3-axis-dsp-based-digital-stepper-drive-max-60-vdc-6-0a
[03:41:43] <humble_sea_bass> infinite loop
[03:42:02] <humble_sea_bass> every 10 hrs, same old same old
[03:42:05] <Connor> With that, you don't need a Break Out board.
[03:42:10] <sabotender> I think they said motor mounts, but the mounts need spacers and nuts and bolts to hold it together right?
[03:42:13] <Connor> humble_sea_bass: What?
[03:42:23] <sabotender> ignore him, he has been trolling me all day
[03:42:40] <PetefromTn_Andro> LMAO...
[03:42:53] <Connor> Not sure.. again, depends on what the frame only comes with.
[03:43:06] <Connor> You in the US?
[03:43:13] <sabotender> yeah I am
[03:43:38] <Connor> okay. The steppers that automationtech sells are nice too..
[03:43:46] <Connor> no complaints and they are what they say they are.
[03:43:59] <Connor> Were you getting the 6040 base from ?
[03:44:08] <sabotender> um...let's see
[03:44:29] <sabotender> http://www.carving-cnc.com/accessories/cnc-router-mainbody/6040mainbody.html
[03:45:02] <sabotender> I'm getting the 838 USD option as those steppers appear suspect
[03:45:56] <sabotender> now, I am assuming that is a good price for the base
[03:46:00] <Connor> spend the extra 61 and get the steppers they have.. because it'll come with the motor mounts too
[03:46:18] <sabotender> really? are you sure it would be okay?
[03:46:35] <Connor> That, or try to make your own..
[03:46:57] <sabotender> well I suppose I could get those and if they aren't up to snuff I can buy different ones later
[03:47:04] <Connor> and if you don't have a lathe, or a mill, it might be hard.. only other way would to be used pipe.. and use really long bolts.. and that's not as good.
[03:47:18] <sabotender> (and make the mounts with the assembled router)
[03:47:37] <Connor> Well.. I'm saing, spend the extra $61.00 and get the 2nd option WITH the steppers, ditch the steppers, keep the mounts, and use a different set of steppers..
[03:47:52] <sabotender> oh dah, you are right
[03:48:01] <Connor> those are standard nema 23 mounts.
[03:48:31] <sabotender> so that means all I would need is the driver and the spindle, right?
[03:48:33] <Connor> NO info at all on what steppers those are..
[03:48:46] <Connor> yea.. Again, http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/
[03:48:50] <sabotender> that's why I used the word suspect
[03:48:55] <Connor> they have the MX3660 and spindles..
[03:49:48] <zeeshan> hey connor
[03:49:53] <Connor> yea
[03:49:57] <zeeshan> you've looked into digital probes before right?
[03:50:04] <Connor> Yes.
[03:50:09] <zeeshan> dude for my mill
[03:50:15] <zeeshan> i'm thinking i kind of want to do inspection on it too.
[03:50:18] <sabotender> oooh I want that milling spindle
[03:50:24] <zeeshan> ie mount an engine block
[03:50:25] <Connor> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/cnc-spindle
[03:50:34] <zeeshan> and do multiple measurements on the bore to get a bore profile
[03:50:39] <zeeshan> (egg shape, taper bore etc)
[03:51:01] <zeeshan> is the digital probe accurate enough?
[03:51:14] <zeeshan> i've read somewhere its accurate to 0.0005"
[03:51:17] <Connor> zeeshan: That's a loaded question.
[03:51:32] <Connor> That depends on the machines accuracy as well as the probes.
[03:51:45] <zeeshan> assume the machine accuracy is like 0.0001"
[03:51:46] <zeeshan> :P
[03:52:07] <Connor> yea.. Most hobby machines are going to be doing good to get 0.0005"
[03:52:14] <sabotender> Connor: which spindle do you recommend that I get? or what should I look out for?
[03:52:21] <zeeshan> 0.0005" is pretty decent
[03:52:32] <zeeshan> i'm just wondering if the probes add major error
[03:52:35] <Connor> sabotender: First, make sure it fist the motor mount. :)
[03:52:41] <zeeshan> or are within the same error as the machine error
[03:52:43] <Connor> zeeshan: Shouldn't add much..
[03:52:54] <zeeshan> writing a cmm based program wouldnt be too hard
[03:52:55] <sabotender> Connor: I should't make them fight each other :-P
[03:52:56] <zeeshan> i'd think
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[03:53:06] <Connor> depends on how well you calibrate it..
[03:53:12] <CaptHindsight> on a router with 0.004" accuracy
[03:53:18] <Connor> fits no fist
[03:54:21] <Connor> sabotender: Collet size, water cooled, VFD..
[03:54:36] <PetefromTn_Andro> Its like fantsyland in here tonight hehehe
[03:54:38] <Connor> or, you can go cheaper, and use a Bosh colt with a superpid...
[03:54:39] <sabotender> okay water cooled means i will need to get a pump as well
[03:54:49] <Connor> yea.
[03:55:09] <sabotender> I would like to stay around 1.5k if I can help it. but 2k is my absolute roof
[03:55:16] <CaptHindsight> if you ask the same questions to enough people you'll eventually get the answers you want to hear
[03:55:17] <Connor> Probably a 1HP for that machine would be good.. I would think anything bigger would be over kill
[03:55:44] <sabotender> even for aluminium alloy?
[03:55:50] <Connor> Okay, I must have been on a dead server or something.. WTF did I miss ?
[03:56:05] <humble_sea_bass> Connor
[03:56:05] <Connor> sabotender: The G0704 came with a so called 1HP motor..
[03:56:22] <humble_sea_bass> Sabo is trying to recreate the movie groundhog day
[03:56:33] <Connor> was a 650w motor.. did fine.. a little slow for alumn, but, from what you've said.. doing thin sheet, you should be fine.
[03:56:41] <humble_sea_bass> except the day restarts every ten hours
[03:56:53] <Connor> Oh. I wasn't here for the first go around.
[03:57:10] <humble_sea_bass> this is the 3rd round
[03:57:19] <Connor> I can understand... it's kinda scary spending that much $$$$ on something..
[03:57:39] <sabotender> you are a damn liar humble_sea_bass. I am asking questions so I can make a complete informed purchase
[03:57:44] <humble_sea_bass> and some ppl prefer their cucumbers pickled
[03:58:30] <CaptHindsight> it might be more of a 50 First Dates kind of thing
[03:58:35] <sabotender> go troll someone else. the only one who was spouting nonsense answers to my questions was you.
[03:58:41] <Connor> I put him on a 6040 last night because it's more sturdy than the v90.. it'll do plastic, wood, and some light metal work..
[03:58:47] <Connor> errr. aluminum
[03:59:55] <PetefromTn_Andro> Jeez it's like a sauna up in here ...
[04:00:19] <sabotender> and as I have mentioned before I know nothing about spindles and steppers and the like. So the best thing to do is ask an experienced person questions. If I am bothering you so much, why do you even respond. The smart thing to do would be silent. But instead you decide to troll me 'every 10 hours'
[04:00:22] <sabotender> anyway
[04:00:38] <sabotender> it looks like the spindle fixture is 65mm
[04:01:04] <PetefromTn_Andro> Connor did you get your three jaw bolted up yet man?
[04:01:30] <Connor> PetefromTn_Andro: I've not been out to the shop since last weekend.. Just to damn tiered after working.
[04:01:40] <Connor> I need to modify those bolts first..
[04:01:46] <Connor> and I can't even get to my drill press yet.
[04:02:02] <Connor> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/cnc-spindle/800-milling-spindle
[04:02:04] <Connor> 65mm OD
[04:02:11] <PetefromTn_Andro> Jeez we're off to a bad start here man.
[04:02:28] <humble_sea_bass> speaking of VFDs I saw the most wonderful hack job at this hole in the wall dumpling restaurant in chinatown
[04:02:52] <CaptHindsight> what was it running?
[04:03:01] <Connor> sabotender: That's the proper size for the 6040
[04:03:15] <humble_sea_bass> the kitchen exaust fan for the restaurant
[04:03:24] <Connor> You'll need a VFD for it too.
[04:03:38] <humble_sea_bass> and they hooked up the VFD over one of the dining tables
[04:03:49] <sabotender> blimey, that thing weighs 8 lbs?
[04:03:54] <PetefromTn_Andro> Connor I was vibering with that fellow in NZ all afternoon he has his Cincinnati Arrow 500 at his house and he is guttering that bitch LOL.
[04:04:08] <sabotender> Connor: cool, then I will get that one
[04:04:19] <Connor> PetefromTn_Andro: Cool.
[04:04:53] <PetefromTn_Andro> Gutting damn autocomplete.
[04:04:58] <Connor> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/cnc-spindle/led-display
[04:05:04] <Connor> the VFD to go with it.
[04:05:14] <Connor> Looks like they're out of stock..
[04:05:41] <humble_sea_bass> that is the chinese one that pops on ebay all the time though connor aint it
[04:05:51] <Connor> I think so.
[04:05:52] <CaptHindsight> call them to be sure, i was there last week and found boxes of things that were listed as out of stock
[04:07:18] <sabotender> tsk
[04:07:22] <Connor> sabotender: After you get the base unit in.. we can size the new steppers to it.. no sure if you'll need 1/4 or 3/8" shaft.
[04:08:12] <Connor> I would do 380-495oz in range.
[04:08:20] <Connor> no need for dual shaft.
[04:09:28] <sabotender> im not sure what dual shaft means
[04:09:38] <Connor> Shaft on both sides of motor..
[04:10:20] <Connor> Don't need it. Not using a encoder.. no point, not adding nobs or handwells, again, no point. only driving one shaft per axis.
[04:10:25] <Connor> handwheels
[04:10:50] <sabotender> would more shafts provide more stability?
[04:11:01] <Connor> huh?
[04:11:02] <Connor> No.
[04:11:02] <humble_sea_bass> no
[04:11:15] <humble_sea_bass> it just lets you manually spin it
[04:11:23] <humble_sea_bass> which you don't need to do
[04:11:30] <PetefromTn_Andro> Cya tomorrow Connor night everyone I'm falling asleep here.
[04:11:41] <Connor> PetefromTn_Andro: Okay..I'll buzz you..
[04:11:45] <Connor> no IDEA what time though.
[04:11:57] <PetefromTn_Andro> Of course not LOL.
[04:12:08] <Connor> I'll bring the shaft and bearings. :)
[04:12:31] <PetefromTn_Andro> Ooh goodie goodie hehe
[04:12:49] <PetefromTn_Andro> Cya
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[04:13:10] <Connor> sabotender: You might look for a Spindle that has a ER-16 collet vs those ER11's
[04:13:17] <Connor> ER-16 is a bit more common I think..
[04:13:27] <Connor> Others can chime in on that comment.
[04:13:41] <sabotender> what is the difference?
[04:13:52] <Connor> The size of end mill they will take.
[04:14:29] <sabotender> the, um..bit?
[04:14:36] <Connor> No, End Mill
[04:14:51] <Connor> :)
[04:14:59] <sabotender> lol fine fine
[04:16:12] <Connor> er11 only good for up to 1/4"
[04:18:02] <sabotender> so i should get that digital stepper driver too eh
[04:18:14] <Connor> Which one? the MX3660 ?
[04:18:23] <sabotender> yeah
[04:18:56] <Connor> that's the one I would get.. you could use it on a different machine.. say a G0704 if you wanted to upgrade..
[04:19:05] <Connor> the g540 is a bit under rated..
[04:19:11] <Connor> and they're very close on price.
[04:19:31] <Connor> I'm not impressed with those spindles only having ER-11 collects..
[04:19:41] <Connor> might look on ebay for different sized....
[04:19:42] <sabotender> hmm not bad. 1593.79
[04:20:11] <Connor> ER11 collet -- ( for tool size 1/32", 1/16", 3/32", 1/8", 3/16",7/32", 1/4")
[04:20:13] <sabotender> i need to add in the shipping which would probably be around 150-200 for the lot
[04:20:50] <sabotender> so that spindle is no good then. hang on
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[04:21:47] <Connor> Looks like that's all they're going to do.. doesn't step up to er16's till you get to larger units.
[04:22:12] <sabotender> i am afraid to get spindles from ebay
[04:22:29] <sabotender> I imagine there are endless supplies of craptastic hardware
[04:22:54] <sabotender> though, many of those spindles come with the speed controller
[04:23:01] <Connor> http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-800W-CNC-Router-Water-Cooled-Cooling-Spindle-Motor-1-5KW-Inverter-Drive-/121121501567?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c3367717f
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[04:27:10] <sabotender> i like it
[04:27:28] <Connor> check the size..
[04:27:33] <Connor> i forgot
[04:27:54] <Connor> okay yea 65mm
[04:27:57] <sabotender> 65
[04:28:44] <sabotender> hrm. shipping is not listed; i wonder
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[04:35:13] <sabotender> Connor: I was hoping to use my notebook to control this thing...for greater mobility. I want to set this up in my detached garage
[04:35:34] <Connor_iPad> Notebooks and CNC don't play.
[04:35:37] <sabotender> I am not sure how much noise this thing would make so it would be better to not have it in my flat
[04:36:46] <Connor_iPad> Need dedicated machine. A atom based computer with Hardware parallel port.
[04:37:00] <Connor_iPad> No USB to parallel. Won't work.
[04:38:23] <sabotender> huh? no this has a dual core pentium inside. what about the card slot to parallel?
[04:39:01] <Connor_iPad> Not sure. Big issue with laptops is all the power management crap.
[04:39:51] <sabotender> well. I have the latency test to run anyway. I am burning the linuxcnc disc now
[04:40:38] <Connor_iPad> Check with others in here. But everyone will say not a good idea or won't work.
[04:41:12] <sabotender> heh, if I have to, I will pull out my old PII motherboard with its AGP video card and wire that up
[04:41:49] <Connor_iPad> That might work. Probably better than laptop.
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[04:43:31] <sabotender> ive seen pictures with people using laptops with their routers. must be a prop or for decoration
[04:43:56] <Connor_iPad> Depends on the motion controller.
[04:44:12] <Connor_iPad> LinuxCNC. Laptop is no no
[04:44:33] <Connor_iPad> Others. Just send commands to a hardware based controller.
[04:44:57] <sabotender> ugh, that imgburn music scares the hell out of me every time. Even when I am expecting it
[04:45:02] <Connor_iPad> But that's out of my perview.
[04:46:49] <sabotender> just a moment
[04:47:59] <sabotender> so i might be stuck using windows
[04:48:03] * sabotender sighs
[04:48:33] <Connor_iPad> Go with the PII
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[04:50:34] <zeeshan> i need help identifying some tools
[04:53:36] <sabotender> Connor_iPad: you will never guess the max jutter on this notebook
[04:53:47] <sabotender> its laughable
[04:54:19] <Connor_iPad> What is it?
[04:54:33] <zeeshan> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/tools/FAB8C1A5-1DCB-4B85-972D-8F3356A1C0E7_zpsohbdxfpm.jpg
[04:54:36] <zeeshan> what is this micrometer for?
[04:54:41] <zeeshan> why does it have sharp as hell ends
[04:54:45] <sabotender> max jitter: 421687ns
[04:54:55] <zeeshan> sabotender
[04:54:57] <zeeshan> prolly wireless card
[04:55:08] <zeeshan> and video card
[04:55:15] <zeeshan> are you using a pci video card
[04:55:17] <Connor_iPad> Yo running the real time kernel?
[04:55:30] <Connor_iPad> And. Again. It's a laptop.
[04:55:35] <zeeshan> o
[04:55:40] <sabotender> you are asking me questions that I do not have answers to. I am running the live cd mode
[04:55:50] <Connor_iPad> Ok. The. Yes.
[04:56:16] <Connor_iPad> Laptops suck for real time os.
[04:56:27] <Connor_iPad> Power management. Etc.
[04:56:50] <sabotender> i'd test it on my server, but my server lacks a cd drive
[04:58:11] * sabotender frowns slightly. I suppose I might find a cheap-o PSU for that PII motherboard at the goodwill computer store, but I wouldn't be suprised if they hadn't thrown out their mid 90s crap hardware
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[05:01:54] <sabotender> I think that the first thing I would make is a plastic case for my AVR dragon
[05:02:47] <sabotender> Connor_iPad: many many thanks for your help in picking out the components for the router project :-D
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[05:04:21] <Connor_iPad> sabotender: Your welcome.
[05:04:53] <sabotender> the cool thing about this pII motherboard is that it has a parallel port.
[05:05:11] <Connor_iPad> Good deal.
[05:05:12] <sabotender> it's just showing its age, bless it's heart
[05:05:26] <zeeshan> pci parallel port cards are 25$
[05:05:29] <zeeshan> ;p
[05:05:36] <zeeshan> and come with 2 parallel ports
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[08:31:27] <Deejay> moin
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[11:38:24] <jthornton> morning
[11:50:38] <jthornton> looks like the mid 80's in Puerto Rico for the next few days
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[14:01:06] <PetefromTn_> Good Morning LinuxCNC crowd..
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[14:19:58] <PetefromTn_> http://www.wimp.com/thenew/ Pretty cool if you are an F1 fan...
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[14:51:48] <Tom_itx> was for a while but like nascar better now
[14:52:37] <Tom_itx> worked on a couple formula fords etc in the scca years ago
[14:57:54] <PetefromTn_> aw jeez never cared for nascar... I know unamerican right... No I much prefer watching F1 and I just love the tech stuff. I always wanted to get into cart racing too.. Maybe with my kids at some point.
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[15:01:16] <CaptHindsight> you can get the kids into Cart for a few $K's
[15:02:06] <CaptHindsight> always used carts around from kids that are getting older or moving up to other classes
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[15:07:04] <CaptHindsight> http://www.worldkarting.com/
[15:09:16] <humble_sea_bass> road racing is better
[15:09:20] <humble_sea_bass> its ok Pete
[15:09:26] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know I would probably look to buy a decent used cart for them. Funny story we took my wife one time to a race to watch a friend run his cart and his kids carts. I was trying to show my wife how much safety equipment they have and how they keep the kids carts going slower etc. etc. She was like all enjoying looking at the girls carts with white and pink wheels and thier little pink racing suits.
[15:11:28] <PetefromTn_> Just when we sat down in the stands to watch the first race I was saying to my wife how much fun it would be and how we would be careful. The race starts and the carts start hauling ass around the track. Right on the third go around one cart gets a little loose going into the turn and the right front tire goes off the pavement and the guy hooks the wheel essentially planting the tire sideways into the grass and the cart goe
[15:12:14] <PetefromTn_> It hit a light pole and the guys head looks like he is dead or something. My wife looks at me with that NO FREAKIN' WAY MY KIDS ARE DOING THAT look and it was over LOL...
[15:12:44] * cpresser prefers http://www.wrc.com over F1 racing
[15:12:48] <CaptHindsight> http://www.k1speed.com/ all the kids take lots of safety training first
[15:13:00] <PetefromTn_> That was quite awhile ago now tho and she is not so uptight about what they do now so maybe she would go for it LOL.
[15:13:45] <PetefromTn_> cpresser Oh yeah man I LOVE watching those crazy bastards go stupid fast in the dirt dodging trees hehehe NUTZ.
[15:14:12] <cpresser> hopfully this years german wrc cup will be close by. then i can go watching live :)
[15:14:39] <humble_sea_bass> i wanna go to the skip barber school
[15:15:04] <PetefromTn_> we don't have much of that exciting racing here in US. I mean they have US rally races but unless something changed it is nothing compared to the european stuff.
[15:15:30] <humble_sea_bass> we don't \
[15:15:31] <cpresser> i cant compare those, since i only know one side
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[15:15:39] <PetefromTn_> we just go fast and turn only one way here it seems...
[15:15:45] <humble_sea_bass> NASCAR steals the spotlight
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[15:16:04] <PetefromTn_> humble_sea_bass Not for me it doesn't..
[15:16:21] <humble_sea_bass> which is baffling considering that even the simplest road course is more fun
[15:16:39] <PetefromTn_> yeah it is..
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[15:17:18] <PetefromTn_> I do enjoy watching the american lemans series races here.. I used to live not far from Sebring in Florida.
[15:18:39] <PetefromTn_> We also used to go watch the AMA CCS bike races at Moroso Motor Sports Park in Palm Beach too. Lots of fun.
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[15:24:37] <zeeshan> someone help me figure this shit out!
[15:25:27] <archivist> we cant without better questions
[15:26:46] <zeeshan> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/tools/E26B7CA4-9421-4564-9251-825141EFCEC3_zps2cepemgm.jpg
[15:26:48] <zeeshan> what is this
[15:26:52] <zeeshan> and what is it used for
[15:27:40] <archivist> you know some of us are blind to photocrappit
[15:28:06] <PetefromTn_> meh you don't need it, its a piece of crap just send it to me and I will dispose of it for you.
[15:28:21] <zeeshan> archivist
[15:28:26] <zeeshan> what ancient web browser are you using
[15:28:32] <archivist> firefox
[15:28:33] <humble_sea_bass> you got a good haul with them boxes
[15:28:48] <zeeshan> humble_sea_bass: yea man those are some of the pics
[15:28:56] <zeeshan> theres still a lot of stuff i dont even knwo what it does
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[15:29:21] <zeeshan> the only thing i havent seen so far that i need is v-blocks
[15:29:35] <zeeshan> i was really hoping for some brown and sharp or starett matching pair blocks
[15:29:42] <CaptHindsight> more JS than HTML on photobucket
[15:29:58] <zeeshan> test for shaft run out on the surface plate
[15:30:06] <zeeshan> lemme upload to another host
[15:30:28] <PetefromTn_> http://blog.leatherup.com/2014/02/21/this-is-the-lotus-c-01-superbike/
[15:31:32] <humble_sea_bass> dat lotus
[15:31:33] <CaptHindsight> looks like a compass (angle measurer)
[15:33:41] <zeeshan> yea but whats it called
[15:33:44] <zeeshan> i cant find a part number
[15:34:27] <CaptHindsight> http://imagebin.org/299474
[15:34:50] <PetefromTn_> humble_sea_bass Yeah man looks totally wicked but is probably gonna be the most uncomfortable bike ever ridden LOL.
[15:34:53] <zeeshan> all it says on the wood box is 'starett'
[15:35:13] <humble_sea_bass> it also doesnt look like it can take a corner
[15:35:17] <archivist> bevel protractor
[15:35:42] <zeeshan> yay that is it
[15:35:47] <zeeshan> there is a video for it
[15:35:49] <PetefromTn_> that front wheel is WAY out there huh...
[15:35:54] <archivist> angle measuring/marking out
[15:36:29] <archivist> I have an optical one by Zeiss
[15:36:44] <zeeshan> so you mainly use it to measure angle between surfaces?
[15:36:48] <zeeshan> ie planes
[15:36:49] <PetefromTn_> supposed to be inspired by the tron lightcycle.
[15:37:04] <archivist> or marking out on a surface
[15:37:05] <CaptHindsight> that bike looks like a camera with wheels
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[15:38:12] <zeeshan> ah so i have 2 blades
[15:38:18] <zeeshan> and one small back face blade
[15:38:42] <PetefromTn_> whats funny to me is that it has this MASSIVE swingarm like the most modern sport and race bikes but they put dual shocks on it.... kinda spits in the face of technology LOL
[15:39:04] <PetefromTn_> perhaps that was the point.
[15:39:31] <zeeshan> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJFUI_FHlio
[15:39:34] <zeeshan> video on how to use it
[15:39:51] <zeeshan> this can be useful for setup
[15:39:56] <CaptHindsight> maybe more shock dampening in two small ones vs one big one
[15:41:06] <PetefromTn_> Also looks like it would be an electric bike with all that plastic covering batteries etc but it says it is gonna be a 200hp four in it. I don't see any pipes!!
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[15:42:31] <CaptHindsight> http://o.aolcdn.com/dims-shared/dims3/GLOB/crop/668x449+170+64/resize/628x417!/format/jpg/quality/85/http://o.aolcdn.com/hss/storage/adam/2cc435ab5b5e7b1f45313879bdbe15f0/Lotus-C-01-03.jpg with training wheels :)
[15:43:05] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/Qgg0taw.jpg
[15:43:16] <zeeshan> starrett calls this a 'indicator hole attachment'
[15:43:18] <zeeshan> how do you use it
[15:43:53] <PetefromTn_> oh wait there is a pipe coming out the right side bottom my bad LOL.
[15:44:17] <archivist> zeeshan, fits onto a dti probably
[15:44:43] <zeeshan> is it converting a vertical indicator
[15:44:45] <zeeshan> in a horizontal one?
[15:44:53] <zeeshan> *into
[15:44:57] <archivist> does 90 deg and lets you indicate a hole in a 4 jaw
[15:44:59] <CaptHindsight> http://www.damngeeky.com/wp-content/gallery/lotus-motorcyles-c-01/lotus-c-01-superbike-motorcycle_6.jpg
[15:45:15] <zeeshan> ahh
[15:45:18] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuCjHXLHGUk BEAUTIFUL!!
[15:45:22] <zeeshan> so you clamp that left side
[15:45:28] <zeeshan> onto the indicator
[15:45:34] <archivist> yes
[15:45:38] <zeeshan> and that lever just pivots
[15:45:39] <zeeshan> makes sense
[15:45:57] <zeeshan> sorry i got a few more
[15:45:59] <zeeshan> to figure out
[15:46:01] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/ZAmaTCl.jpg
[15:46:07] <zeeshan> whats that tool in the middle
[15:46:19] <zeeshan> when you press the red button/lever
[15:46:29] <zeeshan> it opens up the micrometer looking jaws
[15:46:38] <archivist> digital micrometer/thickness
[15:46:53] <archivist> any toys like http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2013/2013_10_13_comparator/IMG_1678.JPG
[15:47:08] <zeeshan> yes
[15:47:22] <zeeshan> so i use it for measurements for thickness of pipes
[15:47:28] <zeeshan> but he gav eme this one too
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[15:47:29] <zeeshan> which is for that:
[15:47:37] <zeeshan> archivist yes i got that
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[15:48:00] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/XL1IH42.jpg
[15:48:04] <zeeshan> see i got this tool
[15:48:10] <zeeshan> i was readin gbaout it more
[15:48:15] <zeeshan> its for the same purpose as measuring thickness
[15:48:16] <CaptHindsight> early legos? before they snapped together?
[15:48:28] <zeeshan> but apparently you can put your own custom anvils by unscrewing that knob
[15:48:34] <zeeshan> and measure thread depths very precisely.
[15:48:47] <archivist> threads/gears
[15:49:01] <zeeshan> i dont see how you'd use that for gears
[15:49:05] <zeeshan> unless it's very small gears
[15:49:11] <PetefromTn_> humble_sea_bass Hey man you're FAMOUS!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrjrCrKwJp8
[15:49:13] <archivist> although you often see thread wires for normal micrometers
[15:49:45] <zeeshan> archisvist
[15:49:47] <zeeshan> here's the gauge block set
[15:49:48] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/tT2Powg.jpg
[15:50:14] <zeeshan> starrett
[15:50:20] <archivist> I want that dumont set in the middle :)
[15:50:40] <zeeshan> that set is okay
[15:50:43] <zeeshan> but it only goes to 1/8
[15:50:58] <zeeshan> i usually deal with 1/4" and 3/16" keyways
[15:51:01] <zeeshan> trade for those :D
[15:51:04] <archivist> I happen to have probably that set
[15:51:19] <zeeshan> in that pic is a depth gauge too
[15:51:26] <zeeshan> i dont know why there are so many attachments for it
[15:52:00] <archivist> depth only do an inch range so you change the bar
[15:52:08] <zeeshan> ah
[15:52:26] <zeeshan> so this one is meant for really deep features
[15:52:32] <archivist> sets are often incomplete
[15:52:40] <zeeshan> maybe i can buy different attachments from starrett
[15:52:45] <zeeshan> to measure for ranges i usually work with
[15:52:56] <humble_sea_bass> where is my fame
[15:53:19] <zeeshan> that mitutoyo micrometer in this pic is apparently used to measure 'groove depth's
[15:53:23] <archivist> go through and see how complete it is, cant see from that image
[15:53:24] <zeeshan> cause of that fine point type of anvils
[15:54:25] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/nJRk3nQ.jpg
[15:54:27] <zeeshan> standard stuff
[15:54:35] <humble_sea_bass> oh there it is
[15:54:41] <zeeshan> mitutoyo 0.001 and 0.0005" indiciators
[15:54:42] <archivist> red package at top real small bore set?
[15:54:48] <archivist> rear
[15:54:50] <zeeshan> (test dial)
[15:54:54] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan: did you buy it all from an estate sale?
[15:55:01] <zeeshan> and fowlwer plunger indicators 0.001 0.0005
[15:55:05] <zeeshan> and 2 chinese long travel
[15:55:07] <humble_sea_bass> he stole my iracing color scheme too
[15:55:23] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: no from a machinist who no longer is a machinist and is a mill wright too
[15:55:25] <zeeshan> guy was 33
[15:55:37] <zeeshan> had this stuff sitting around for 2 yuears taking up his storage space
[15:55:47] <zeeshan> archivist: yes starrett small hole gauge
[15:55:48] <archivist> 33, too young to get rid
[15:56:00] <zeeshan> plus going througfh divorce =/
[15:56:06] <archivist> ah
[15:56:13] <zeeshan> okay
[15:56:14] <archivist> fire sale
[15:56:19] <zeeshan> this is what made me seal the deal
[15:56:26] <zeeshan> theres is so much s tuff
[15:56:30] <zeeshan> but this particularly caught my eye
[15:56:31] <CaptHindsight> ex wife not a machinist I reckon
[15:56:39] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/nME1kBB.jpg
[15:56:55] <zeeshan> mitsibushi/iscar/sandvik tool holders
[15:56:58] <PetefromTn_> its just total theivery huh...
[15:57:15] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/uba35aP.jpg
[15:57:23] <zeeshan> tons and tons of inserts everywhere
[15:57:26] <zeeshan> i still gotta organize em
[15:57:53] <zeeshan> anyone need a mitutoyo 7-8" mic? :P
[15:57:56] <zeeshan> i'll never be using it
[15:58:07] <archivist> never...you never know
[15:58:09] <zeeshan> http://imgur.com/a/sOXUf <- album
[15:58:18] <CaptHindsight> I once bought a Cincinnati mill from and old machinist, before I left he showed me this box of holders, end mills and carbides worth thousands....
[15:58:26] <zeeshan> ive never mounted something 8" wide in the lathe
[15:58:27] <zeeshan> lol
[15:58:35] <CaptHindsight> he said "how about this for an extra $100"?
[15:58:48] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: i havent posted the stuff that was 'extra for 50'
[15:59:05] <zeeshan> he said 'it needs to be gone by friday'
[15:59:26] <humble_sea_bass> you have hit the proverbial motherload
[15:59:26] <zeeshan> 'if you can do that and give me $1350 total, you can have it all'
[15:59:51] <zeeshan> humble_sea_bass: i've been searching for this on kijiji for 1 year
[15:59:58] <archivist> I love collections and the "extras"
[16:00:07] <zeeshan> every night before bed i searched 'machinst tools' and 'tool and die maker tools'
[16:00:15] <zeeshan> i caught this 1 hour after it was posted
[16:00:25] <zeeshan> i tested that dial bore gauge
[16:00:50] <zeeshan> its so much better than using an inside micrometer or telescoping gauges with outside micrometer (which is what i've been doing for making the bores of the steam engine)
[16:01:00] <CaptHindsight> yeah, the best deals have been the new posts and you call minutes after
[16:01:08] <archivist> went for a stero zoom microscope and came back with an extra spectrum analyser
[16:01:19] <zeeshan> archivist: haha
[16:01:36] <archivist> and a few other bit
[16:01:40] <humble_sea_bass> any interapids in there
[16:01:58] <zeeshan> the extra stuff for me was end mills, 4 organizers filled with brand new pipe fittings, pneumatic fittings, hydraulic fititngs, electrical fittings (mostly from his old mill wright work)
[16:02:06] <zeeshan> and 150lb of aluminum
[16:02:45] <zeeshan> the only import thing i can find those 2 long range dial indicators
[16:02:52] <zeeshan> and the outside micrometers
[16:03:00] <zeeshan> i tested them on the gauge block and they're spot on
[16:04:56] <CaptHindsight> I picked up another robot deal, it didn't make a peep the whole 4 hour drive back
[16:05:06] <zeeshan> what kind of robot
[16:05:16] <CaptHindsight> SCARA
[16:05:25] <zeeshan> the one with the broken casting?
[16:05:42] <zeeshan> archivist: http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2013/2013_10_13_comparator/IMG_1678.JPG
[16:05:45] <zeeshan> whats that stuff on the top?
[16:05:46] <CaptHindsight> yeah, that one 2 weeks ago as well
[16:05:50] <zeeshan> a16501
[16:06:11] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: very nice
[16:06:16] <zeeshan> what are you planning to do with it
[16:06:22] <CaptHindsight> the one with the broken casting has nearly a 2 meter reach
[16:06:38] <zeeshan> don't turn them into sex robots.
[16:06:38] <zeeshan> :p
[16:06:48] <zeeshan> lately thats all i see in the news
[16:06:58] <CaptHindsight> 3d printing, part handling etc etc
[16:07:04] <archivist> zeeshan, those are blocks to test micrometers so the have odd values to check the thread at differing amounts of rotation
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[16:08:00] <zeeshan> are they made out of glass
[16:08:29] <CaptHindsight> people always imagine something like Data from StarTrek when I mention I have a robot in the back of the truck
[16:08:37] <zeeshan> CaptHindsight: haha
[16:08:43] <humble_sea_bass> must be the Nascar set
[16:08:57] <archivist> zeeshan, yes
[16:09:01] <zeeshan> very cool
[16:09:17] <zeeshan> i can't get one of my drawers open in the kennedy
[16:09:19] <zeeshan> and i can hear stuff inthere
[16:09:28] <zeeshan> i think its something to do wit hthe lock
[16:09:35] <zeeshan> which he forgot to give me keys for
[16:09:58] <archivist> interesting to test the inch glass with a starrett inch round with the standard gauge blocks
[16:11:32] <archivist> and a 1 inch ball http://www.collection.archivist.info/showresult.php?prog=1&srcprog=searchv13.php&srcdata=title&Type=PD&Accn_no=9292&subject=26626
[16:12:01] <zeeshan> haha
[16:12:04] <zeeshan> thats awesome
[16:12:07] <zeeshan> what is that a ball bearing
[16:12:23] <zeeshan> key
[16:12:25] <zeeshan> HEY.
[16:12:29] <zeeshan> i've seen that tool before
[16:12:41] <archivist> my room is not at the right temperature so I take little notice of any results I get
[16:12:56] <zeeshan> its suposed to be at 20C
[16:12:57] <zeeshan> right?
[16:13:01] <zeeshan> that is what its calibrated at?
[16:13:15] <archivist> http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=balls
[16:13:29] <archivist> or 86f
[16:13:31] <archivist> 68f
[16:13:44] <zeeshan> well you can just measure your room temperature
[16:13:56] <zeeshan> you know its 1" at a certain temp
[16:14:10] <zeeshan> just account for expansion for hotter temps or contraction for cooler temps :P
[16:14:15] <zeeshan> its a sphere!
[16:14:23] <archivist> but what is the material exactly
[16:14:42] <zeeshan> maybe you can do a calibration to check
[16:14:50] <zeeshan> all you need is the thermal expansion coefficient
[16:15:05] <zeeshan> heat it up to 4-5 different temps and you can use that to get it
[16:15:11] <zeeshan> and figure out the material from it :P
[16:15:13] <archivist> I dont have any heating at all at the moment
[16:15:27] <zeeshan> i really like that ball set
[16:15:29] <zeeshan> looks fancy
[16:15:45] <zeeshan> okay this si gonna sound retarded
[16:15:47] <zeeshan> http://images.drillspot.com/pimages/7012/701299_300.jpg
[16:15:59] <zeeshan> the bottom slide out door is what i cant open
[16:16:00] <archivist> the owners engraving on the box lid is fancy too
[16:16:12] <zeeshan> if i can open the top bunch of drawers, why isnt the bottom one opening
[16:16:23] <zeeshan> i mean if the toolbox was locked, i should not be able to open the top drawers
[16:16:42] <archivist> there is a bar to stop you opening draws to stop tipping
[16:16:58] <archivist> shut all other draws then retry
[16:17:12] <zeeshan> ok lemme try
[16:17:13] <CaptHindsight> something inside keeping it from sliding open?
[16:17:40] <JT-Shop> see you guys next week!
[16:18:06] <archivist> do you have a pass to go somewhere?
[16:19:51] <JT-Shop> taking my wife to Puerto Rico to scatter her mothers ashes in the sea where she was born
[16:20:22] <zeeshan> archivist: doesnt work
[16:20:35] <zeeshan> i have then all close and i can still feel like something is locking it
[16:21:02] <zeeshan> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v466/kenm10759/Dads%20shop/IMG_0305-r-1.jpg
[16:21:13] <zeeshan> from that pic it looks like im supposed to just push straight up
[16:21:18] <zeeshan> right? :P
[16:21:31] <archivist> zeeshan, can you get an upper draw out to check for that rear locking bar
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[16:21:53] <zeeshan> oo excellent idea
[16:21:54] <zeeshan> brb.
[16:22:03] <archivist> I have seen the lid work the bar
[16:29:25] <zeeshan> i cant get the drawer out cause my car is too close to the tool box
[16:29:42] <zeeshan> ill move the milling machine today and mvoe the tool chest to where its supposed to go
[16:29:53] <zeeshan> hopefully i find something cool in there
[16:32:28] <CaptHindsight> robot hand made of unidentifiable materials
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[16:53:27] <zeeshan> anyone got a cheap method to put up shelves on the garage wall
[16:53:52] <CaptHindsight> buy used shelving
[16:54:24] <zeeshan> i dont need a lot
[16:54:36] <CaptHindsight> old kitchen cabinets
[16:54:43] <zeeshan> i dont need cabinets
[16:54:45] <archivist> ikea book shelves
[16:54:46] <zeeshan> i need something like this
[16:54:53] <zeeshan> http://woodgears.ca/shelves/shelf-b.jpg
[16:55:01] <zeeshan> i wanna put them along the top sidfe of the wall
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[16:55:58] <CaptHindsight> never worked out well for me, I just look for used commercial shelving
[16:57:18] <archivist> I was lazy in one room, I used small sets of draws as the verticals to hold a shelf on top
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[17:04:59] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, you can almost see the hangar brackets under the shelf i used here: http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/scope/scope1.jpg
[17:05:06] <Tom_itx> they're reasonable
[17:05:19] <Tom_itx> depending how much tonnage you need to hold up
[17:05:20] <zeeshan> did you get those from home depot?
[17:05:24] <zeeshan> about 60lb at most
[17:05:30] <Tom_itx> one of those places yes
[17:05:44] <Tom_itx> all different size brackets and boards
[17:06:13] <archivist> stereo zoom and a weller /me approves
[17:06:34] <Tom_itx> if they're on the end (not in a corner) you may wanna add an L bracket under the shelf so they don't slide
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[17:07:36] <CaptHindsight> http://www.menards.com/main/shelving-visualizer/garage-basement/17-x-36-steel-end-frame/p-1857325-c-13051.htm I tried some of this but it bent when I sat on it
[17:07:46] <archivist> I sleep under some shelves like that
[17:08:23] <Tom_itx> Sam's sold some pretty heavy duty steel shelving i got for the garage quite some time back
[17:08:32] <Tom_itx> with wood shelves
[17:08:36] <Tom_itx> full perimeter support
[17:09:04] <Tom_itx> probably 18" deep or so
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[17:10:00] <Tom_itx> 'cheap' is a rather relative term
[17:10:26] <archivist> I have 10" boards stacked with books 5 verticals iirc for a 12ft wall
[17:10:32] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: <--- Cheap, and not relative either ;)
[17:10:52] <CaptHindsight> Home Depot, Menards. Loews, HF all use shelving that they don't sell
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[17:11:07] <Tom_itx> shame too
[17:11:45] <Jymmm> What, you can't find a business/warehuse going out of business?
[17:11:50] <archivist> shop fitting suppliers
[17:11:58] <Tom_itx> find a mom & pop store that closed due to some corporate trompling all over them and buy their shelving
[17:12:53] <Jymmm> https://www.google.com/search?q=industrial+shelving
[17:13:25] <CaptHindsight> or try using unistrut http://www.home-garage-help.com/image-files/garage-hanging-storage-5.jpg
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[17:19:00] <sabotender> shelving?
[17:19:30] <sabotender> just buy a cheap wooden plank and get those shelf holders that look kinda like a right triangle
[17:20:05] <sabotender> you know, you screw or hammer the top part to the wood and the right-angle to the wall
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[17:20:33] <sabotender> zeeshan: that is the cheapest way I can think of to make a simple wall mounted shelf
[17:20:46] <sabotender> as a matter of fact, I did that in college
[17:22:45] <CaptHindsight> no cinder block and 2" x 12"?
[17:23:32] <sabotender> you could do that for a standard shelf that is not wall mounted. I didn't have that much space
[17:24:01] <sabotender> i had a futon and beanbag chairs
[17:24:20] <zeeshan> you guys are doing some hardcore shelving stuff
[17:24:21] <zeeshan> lol
[17:24:37] <sabotender> zeeshan: those are cheap shelving methods
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[17:25:35] <CaptHindsight> http://www.eclectic-ware.com/Eclectic-ware/expo-design/expo-cable-shelf/1FCSB-glass.jpg has a light and airy feel
[17:25:53] <sabotender> wow now that is sexy
[17:26:02] <zeeshan> dude
[17:26:06] <zeeshan> im not gonna put an air dryer on that
[17:26:07] <zeeshan> lol
[17:26:08] <zeeshan> thats too nice
[17:26:10] <sabotender> hell that is something I would install in my current flat
[17:26:50] <CaptHindsight> http://i00.i.aliimg.com/photo/213506175/wall_mount_cable_shelf_system.jpg
[17:27:41] <sabotender> aye very nice. and the cables make it have high tensile strength
[17:29:15] <sabotender> i always feel embarrassed every time I try to pronounce chinese names
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[17:45:55] <Deejay> namd
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[17:58:18] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
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[18:14:50] <XXCoder> heys
[18:15:01] <IchGuckLive> it gcoder here ;-)
[18:15:55] <IchGuckLive> sabotender: still online
[18:16:13] <XXCoder> curious on what linuxcnc can do
[18:16:27] <sabotender> IchGuckLive: yup
[18:16:32] <XXCoder> could it control cnc router setup with 2.5 axis for example
[18:16:36] <IchGuckLive> it is able to mill you a nice code case
[18:16:54] <IchGuckLive> i got a 9 axis mashine rujnning
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[18:17:17] <XXCoder> 9 axis?? highest In know of is 5. whats points of motion?
[18:17:18] <IchGuckLive> just xoutube linuxcnc and you will see all kinsd of mashines
[18:17:36] <sabotender> whats up?
[18:17:46] <IchGuckLive> you still in search mode
[18:18:03] <IchGuckLive> you need to take a break and think on your need
[18:18:12] <IchGuckLive> bevor you go to the next step
[18:18:18] <sabotender> no, not anymore
[18:18:28] <sabotender> i got help last night
[18:18:30] <IchGuckLive> nice to hear
[18:18:56] <IchGuckLive> Connor did it
[18:19:04] <sabotender> the complete setup costs around 1.43k
[18:19:16] <sabotender> aye, he is awesome
[18:19:17] <IchGuckLive> agree
[18:19:22] <XXCoder> IchGuckLive: got link to 9 axis youtube?
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[18:19:56] <sabotender> im going to see if i can get the base at a better price. now im in pricing mode ;-)
[18:20:19] <sabotender> even if its the same price im going to see if places offer free shipping, etc
[18:21:16] <IchGuckLive> the base is about 500USD
[18:21:30] <IchGuckLive> i woudt also take care about the rails used
[18:21:42] <sabotender> orly?
[18:22:00] <sabotender> that one site had it priced at 830 usd
[18:22:02] <IchGuckLive> XXCoder: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMqe2L7y4QI
[18:22:09] <XXCoder> thanks
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[18:23:51] <XXCoder> does platform rotate too?
[18:24:00] <XXCoder> looks like since it has lathe chuck
[18:24:01] <IchGuckLive> its a 7 +2
[18:24:46] <XXCoder> so far I see, X, Y, Z, 2 points of rotation on router part, one rotation on base
[18:26:14] <IchGuckLive> standard 6 XYZ ABC added W aliong Z and the 2 extras UV
[18:27:25] <IchGuckLive> XXCoder: normel persons only need 5
[18:27:36] <IchGuckLive> you can do a hell on 5 axis
[18:27:38] <XXCoder> I'm most likely to make 2.5 axis
[18:27:44] <XXCoder> dont really need more fancy
[18:28:01] <CaptHindsight> IchGuckLive: steppers on the XYZ?
[18:28:03] <IchGuckLive> 2.5 is more likly to be full 3D
[18:28:33] <IchGuckLive> CaptHindsight: it is not mine
[18:28:40] <IchGuckLive> so i guess its a servo
[18:28:51] <CaptHindsight> IchGuckLive: just wondering from the sounds
[18:29:00] <XXCoder> Not sure since isn't z unable to cut inward shaped parts. for example it attemps to make sphere and only can do top part
[18:29:17] <IchGuckLive> XXCoder: what is the goal you want tro meed with you mashine
[18:29:32] <XXCoder> cut sheet of wood and sometimes alum
[18:29:47] <IchGuckLive> size
[18:30:04] <XXCoder> oh theres 2'x3' kit I plan to buy
[18:30:22] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: I forget the max number of axis, IIRC maybe 9 but you can have far more joints
[18:30:34] <IchGuckLive> nice there are lots of good mashienes on side
[18:30:47] <XXCoder> I guess it can always expanded with extra hardware and custom software
[18:31:05] <IchGuckLive> thats the goal linuxcnc meats
[18:31:11] <XXCoder> plan to build this http://www.overclock.net/t/755828/complete-2-x-3-custom-cnc-router-from-80-20-aluminum-extrusion
[18:31:25] <IchGuckLive> XXCoder: whaer are you in the blue world
[18:31:28] <XXCoder> warning: millions of pics (not literally) heh
[18:31:31] <XXCoder> in usa
[18:31:40] <IchGuckLive> im in germany
[18:31:47] <XXCoder> easy to guess from my usage of imperial system lol
[18:31:56] <XXCoder> only few countries still does. annoying.
[18:33:40] <IchGuckLive> XXCoder: you shoudt consider a full homemade for half the price
[18:33:58] <IchGuckLive> but you need to spend time
[18:34:00] <XXCoder> problem is I suck on making. I also has virtually no tools
[18:34:11] <XXCoder> so yeah 80/20 is almost only choice
[18:34:16] <IchGuckLive> oh ok then its a miss
[18:34:53] <IchGuckLive> what state are you there are lots of toolshops around the usa
[18:35:24] <XXCoder> I suppose
[18:35:46] <XXCoder> it'll take me a bit to gather enough cnc parts anyway :)
[18:35:50] <CaptHindsight> XXCoder: whats the total BOM cost for that 80/20 design?
[18:36:00] <IchGuckLive> by the way @ all NASA did the first 3D concrede printer for the lunar mission puplic relese today
[18:36:19] <XXCoder> capt theres $1,400 kit for 80/20 framework + around $700 for electric system. well plus router
[18:36:29] <XXCoder> I guess roughly $2100 usd
[18:37:00] <IchGuckLive> on that size the gecko 540 is well min requirerment i woudent go for that
[18:37:07] <XXCoder> conceate? as in material made from rock powder and water basically
[18:37:43] <IchGuckLive> concrede punp to Nozzle well the layers are pretty wear
[18:38:13] <IchGuckLive> but you only need to put the printer to lunar surface
[18:38:14] <CaptHindsight> concrete is a pretty vague term like plastic, not sure what NASA announced 3d printing with similar materials has been done for years
[18:38:19] <IchGuckLive> powder is there
[18:38:38] <XXCoder> capt maybe lunar regoth + water 3d printer?
[18:38:46] <XXCoder> all they need is water
[18:38:50] <CaptHindsight> moondust and water
[18:39:01] <XXCoder> well and printer itself of course
[18:40:46] <IchGuckLive> https://www.google.de/search?q=concrete+3d+printer&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=kp4kU-mcFcnoswbm3oCgBw&ved=0CDoQsAQ&biw=1209&bih=812
[18:41:10] <CaptHindsight> most additive manufacturing techniques are pretty simple and similar to CNC machines, the real work is in the materials
[18:41:38] <XXCoder> capt I do hope once I am done with cnc, I will be able to build smallish 3d printer.
[18:41:57] <XXCoder> after all with cnc it's MUCH simplier to make 3d printer with it
[18:42:04] <CaptHindsight> slurry and polymer concretes
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[18:42:22] <IchGuckLive> XXCoder: after sep this year the prices will drop to half
[18:42:36] <XXCoder> cnc parts?
[18:42:52] <XXCoder> thats cool, I would be still saving up lol not exactly rich.
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[18:43:38] <CaptHindsight> from 2010 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yv-IWdSdns
[18:44:23] <XXCoder> lol yeah remember that video. still think its awesome.
[18:44:24] <CaptHindsight> the trick is getting the right slump
[18:44:34] <XXCoder> yeah too liquid or solid not good
[18:44:52] <CaptHindsight> and you're not just limited to what the trucks delivers
[18:45:20] <XXCoder> I guess someday they will figure how to print without layer bumps
[18:45:28] <CaptHindsight> you can mix glass and carbon fibers and polymers
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[18:46:01] <CaptHindsight> did you see the first parts of that video, it smoothed out the layers
[18:46:16] <XXCoder> yeah, inside wasnt too smooth though
[18:46:34] <CaptHindsight> they didn't care about the inside
[18:47:41] <XXCoder> guess can build or sand it down
[18:47:54] <CaptHindsight> before it sets you just smooth it
[18:47:55] <XXCoder> I wonder about render at end, it printed a roof
[18:48:00] <XXCoder> thats true
[18:48:24] <CaptHindsight> or you put another layer over for insulation such as a rigid foam
[18:48:48] <XXCoder> that'd work too
[18:48:57] <CaptHindsight> they a thick acrylic layer of paint
[18:49:00] <XXCoder> unless they use hollow wall then stuff it full of insulation
[18:49:01] <CaptHindsight> they/then
[18:49:20] <XXCoder> or use concerete surfacants. theres quite a few awesome concerete agers
[18:49:36] <CaptHindsight> as you can see moving the deposition heads around is pretty simple
[18:49:46] <CaptHindsight> it's all about the materials
[18:50:03] <XXCoder> http://www.diypete.com/how-to-make-concrete-coffee-table/
[18:50:41] <CaptHindsight> lasts too long :)
[18:51:07] <XXCoder> lol ok
[18:51:36] <CaptHindsight> just think if all cars, homes and furniture were made of aluminum and concretes
[18:51:37] <IchGuckLive> XXCoder: http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.56.HDONt4&id=36204343195
[18:51:47] <XXCoder> I do wish I knew enough about building - I'd grab some large laser printer and grab parts off it to build cheapass cnc
[18:51:50] <IchGuckLive> 100USD shipment as a kit
[18:52:28] <IchGuckLive> XXCoder: i use epson laser printer for building mashines
[18:52:36] <CaptHindsight> ~$1200 but close enough, shipping max by boat +$700
[18:53:02] <XXCoder> only if light weight capt heh wouldnt want 3 ton little smartcar-size car
[18:53:51] <CaptHindsight> aluminum land Rovers from the 60's work just fine
[18:54:00] <IchGuckLive> im off BYE
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[18:54:04] <XXCoder> later
[18:54:13] <CaptHindsight> 1,000,000 mile vehicles
[18:55:11] <XXCoder> million mile is pretty crappy
[18:55:17] <XXCoder> dammit
[18:55:19] <XXCoder> I meant
[18:55:29] <XXCoder> 1 million miles is pretty rare. most cars is too crappy
[18:56:36] <CaptHindsight> aluminum blocks with steel sleeves, my Land Cruisers from the 90's easily go 300K between rebuilds
[18:57:38] <CaptHindsight> so it's all doable, it's just not good for business
[18:58:01] <XXCoder> wonder if blocks is buildable from alum blocks lol
[18:58:07] <XXCoder> but then alum blocks probably expensive
[18:58:39] <CaptHindsight> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6OZXdRoogY CAD in the a.m., cast and machined parts by the afternoon
[18:58:58] <XXCoder> my car contour 1998 is last year with really crappy tranny that overheats and dies. my kind of car is pretty rare today because of it.
[19:00:20] <XXCoder> alum printing
[19:00:22] <XXCoder> awesome
[19:00:32] <XXCoder> looks like alum anyway
[19:00:36] <CaptHindsight> 3d printed molds
[19:00:42] <CaptHindsight> yes, for aluminum
[19:00:49] <XXCoder> ahh molds
[19:00:54] <XXCoder> awesome indeed
[19:02:24] <CaptHindsight> that sand doesn't have much binder in it, it only lasts for the casting
[19:02:25] <XXCoder> funny how molen alum looks like extra shiny water.
[19:03:14] <XXCoder> 3d print -> cast -> cnc to finish
[19:03:45] <CaptHindsight> yes, just for the tight tolerance areas
[19:03:54] <CaptHindsight> or threads
[19:04:06] <humble_sea_bass> Cap. the blow torch is just for hardening the part reight
[19:04:11] <XXCoder> yeah no way to get < 0.1 mm telerence say from sand cast
[19:04:19] <CaptHindsight> bearing surfaces, cylinder walls etc
[19:05:03] <CaptHindsight> you can but then the sand particles are limited by ~0.01mm max, more sand dust than sand
[19:05:35] <XXCoder> okay, was guessing on resolution, just know its less resolution than needed
[19:06:06] <CaptHindsight> but with available machines today, yeah cast and the finish on cnc
[19:06:28] <CaptHindsight> with e-beam you could directly print metal
[19:06:41] <XXCoder> theres new weld 3d printer now
[19:06:46] <CaptHindsight> but it's ~1-2L/hour
[19:06:47] <XXCoder> its at very crude beginnings
[19:06:58] <humble_sea_bass> gotta start somewhere
[19:07:03] <XXCoder> always.
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[19:07:20] <CaptHindsight> it's the patents keeping it from taking off in the west
[19:07:40] <CaptHindsight> most of this stuff has already been worked out
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[19:08:09] <XXCoder> sometimes patents is needed but then theres bad patents :(
[19:08:18] <XXCoder> theres over 500,000 patents on smartphones
[19:08:19] <CaptHindsight> multiple e-beam heads could print a block in minutes
[19:08:29] <XXCoder> fully 1/3 of all patents in usa
[19:08:31] <humble_sea_bass> Cap, is there any one place in the states that is iterating through this technology faster than the east asian industrial parks?
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[19:09:15] <CaptHindsight> well there's the dog and pony show of NAMII
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[19:09:39] <CaptHindsight> now two more centers in the USA
[19:11:04] <CaptHindsight> https://americamakes.us/
[19:11:40] <CaptHindsight> let me know when anything actually happens to change the world there
[19:11:42] <humble_sea_bass> that tit bret pettis = bad news
[19:12:42] <CaptHindsight> you won't see any cooperation, no hybrid printers
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[19:12:52] <CaptHindsight> no high speed machines
[19:13:02] <XXCoder> would be interesting to see multi-material printer
[19:13:17] <CaptHindsight> with multiple processes
[19:13:17] <XXCoder> print a entire toy including electric stuff heh
[19:13:32] <humble_sea_bass> >>toy<<
[19:13:59] <XXCoder> someday can place all kinds of elements to make abostely anything
[19:14:10] <humble_sea_bass> i think manufacturing toys by throwing human suffering in east asia is working really well
[19:15:05] <CaptHindsight> feed a child for $1 a day
[19:15:31] <CaptHindsight> get them a factory job, sad but true
[19:15:39] <mcell> we've built a CNC (1.1m bridge) to mill custom split frontplates from 3mm sheet Al. Unfortunately the Al sheet we must use (eloxated surface, with protection foil, looks very nice) seems to be very mild (not much Mg or Si), we found that it's milled very nicely when continusly wetted with alcohol (water would prolly work as well). tool: http://www.cncdrive.hu/shop/index.php?productID=382 but we tried different RPM from 5000-24000 RP
[19:15:39] <mcell> M and different feed rates (30-600 mm /min), same result. Is there a trick to it ? We prolly need to build some automatic "mister", but maybe there is some specific tool that just works (3..4 mm dia; some drills, some part is halfway milled to 1.5mm plateau, and then contour of course).
[19:16:46] <CaptHindsight> mcell: just watch for sparks
[19:17:51] <CaptHindsight> di water + ethanol
[19:18:20] <archivist> aluminium sticks to tooling if not lubricated
[19:19:37] <CaptHindsight> http://www.google.com/patents/EP2520639A1?cl=en like I said before, patents on everything
[19:19:50] <XXCoder> di water = distalled water?
[19:20:45] <CaptHindsight> deionized
[19:21:18] <XXCoder> ok
[19:21:27] <CaptHindsight> http://www.distilleddeionizedwater.com/deionized-water-vs-distilled-water/
[19:22:49] <XXCoder> interesting
[19:23:14] <XXCoder> does cutting alum ALWAYS need lubucation?
[19:23:22] <XXCoder> or just when fast cutting
[19:23:40] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Just like sex, not always but doesn't hurt
[19:23:48] <XXCoder> lol ok
[19:24:13] <archivist> some of the harder aluminium allows are less sticky
[19:24:17] <Jymmm> al can get gummy though
[19:26:20] <XXCoder> jy maybe you can answer mcel question, I'm very much a beginner lol
[19:26:55] <Jymmm> XXCoder: Well, you probably know more than me!
[19:27:13] <XXCoder> hardly, I dont even own a cnc yet :)
[19:28:16] <CaptHindsight> humble_sea_bass: it's costs like $10K to join NAMII and then you get to share your developments with the co's that paid $100K to join
[19:28:23] <CaptHindsight> sounds like a deal
[19:28:33] <humble_sea_bass> heh
[19:30:42] <CaptHindsight> humble_sea_bass: http://www.gckfq.gov.cn/en/industry3.php where they give you $100-500K to make things
[19:31:13] <humble_sea_bass> ga damn
[19:31:40] <CaptHindsight> so long term, which one will succeed?
[19:31:48] <humble_sea_bass> rep rap
[19:31:52] <CaptHindsight> lol
[19:31:54] <humble_sea_bass> maker movement
[19:31:58] <humble_sea_bass> feel good
[19:32:47] <humble_sea_bass> I should get off my ass and get out of the NYC construction/engineering clusterfuck. this seems a lot more exciting
[19:34:09] <CaptHindsight> Obama two years ina row during the state of the union mentions 3d printing
[19:34:23] <CaptHindsight> and this is all they do: NAMII
[19:34:27] <humble_sea_bass> it is washington
[19:34:50] <XXCoder> not my washington lol
[19:34:57] <XXCoder> I live at other end ;)
[19:35:10] <XXCoder> capt in what context?
[19:35:20] <humble_sea_bass> my wife goes over there to lobby for accessible tech and so forth and it is astounding how little they understand
[19:35:38] <XXCoder> humble not only that but some even brag that they dont know science
[19:35:43] <XXCoder> like thats good thing
[19:36:23] <humble_sea_bass> it isn't even about science so much as not knowing because you ain't paying coin into their reelection coffers
[19:36:36] <CaptHindsight> there's more money in invading countries and then "rebuilding" them
[19:36:56] <CaptHindsight> I wonder who is next
[19:37:12] <humble_sea_bass> I was at a small fund raiser with one of the congressmen from brooklyn, one of the cats that in the past voted against net neutrality
[19:37:27] <humble_sea_bass> had no idea what net neutrality was though when we were talking
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[19:38:09] <humble_sea_bass> I interviewed with the Army Corp of Engineers
[19:38:41] <humble_sea_bass> the position they were trying to fill was for field engineer with no assignment choice
[19:38:49] <humble_sea_bass> which meant Afghanistan
[19:38:53] <CaptHindsight> heh
[19:39:10] <CaptHindsight> don't worry we pay for your plane ticket
[19:39:24] <humble_sea_bass> yeah, i gave em a heh and goodbye
[19:39:52] <XXCoder> lol
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[19:40:48] <CaptHindsight> last night Vice had a spot on Afghanistan and how contractors destroy new equipment just to invoice for new ones
[19:41:58] <humble_sea_bass> it is a system just begging BEGGING to be abused
[19:42:36] <humble_sea_bass> I was reading that new book Glock: The rise of america's gun
[19:42:45] <XXCoder> capt that sucks
[19:42:56] <XXCoder> I hate waste
[19:43:02] <humble_sea_bass> we ordered 250,000 glocks for the iraqis, and we didn't record a single serial number
[19:43:05] <humble_sea_bass> not one
[19:43:39] <humble_sea_bass> oh they are missing? just order 250,000 more
[19:43:59] <CaptHindsight> yeah. similar with everything else, we built multimillion $$ power stations that run on diesel that cost more to operate than they bill for electricity
[19:44:25] <CaptHindsight> it's actually evil genius
[19:45:42] <CaptHindsight> cost plus contracts
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[19:51:47] <XXCoder> lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6drMZqmyXQc
[19:53:28] <CaptHindsight> yeah, all from pipe
[19:53:44] <XXCoder> nice thing is that it can make better cnc
[19:54:00] <andypugh> I think it's pretty cool actually.
[19:54:20] <XXCoder> it is. its nearly pure home improvement type project
[19:55:50] <XXCoder> I remember reading about project that makes a really crappy lathe
[19:55:58] <XXCoder> so can make proper lathe from it
[19:56:18] <XXCoder> sadky I lost link
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[19:57:53] <mcell> thanx. Will use lube (for sex and Al CNC). After the Al milling is going well, Will make a plasma CNC also (hope the THC https://github.com/regeg/ArdunioTHC will work well). Than I plan to install a small but sturdy CNC (with rotating axis) on an old mill
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[20:01:20] <XXCoder> well well well this is interesting http://toolmonger.com/2007/12/26/make-a-lathe-out-of-your-drill-press/
[20:03:25] <CaptHindsight> vertical lathe? :)
[20:03:49] <XXCoder> yeah bit odd
[20:04:41] <CaptHindsight> you have to add that those bearings aren't made for radial forces and the chuck can't hold a part well
[20:04:50] <XXCoder> its good if only very rarely need a lathe
[20:04:59] <XXCoder> or just to make proper lathe with.
[20:06:03] <CaptHindsight> I would have loved having that as a kid
[20:06:17] <CaptHindsight> everybody had a drill press in the basement
[20:06:46] <CaptHindsight> I think they came standard in every new house in the 60/70's
[20:06:56] <XXCoder> sadly I never really have chance with wood shop and such in school
[20:07:17] <XXCoder> My teacher died of heart attack after one semster and never got any replacement
[20:07:23] <XXCoder> oddly his name was Mr. Hammer
[20:07:37] <CaptHindsight> good name for shop teacher
[20:07:44] <XXCoder> yeah
[20:07:52] <XXCoder> hes been teacher there for long time
[20:08:04] <CaptHindsight> better than Mr Stubs
[20:08:08] <XXCoder> my brother had few classes. me? only one
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[20:08:18] <XXCoder> started basics then next semster oops hes dead
[20:08:54] <CaptHindsight> a few HS in the area here had machine and welding shops
[20:09:06] <CaptHindsight> old bridgeports and hardinges
[20:09:37] <CaptHindsight> they would give you a big block of something to make a small part of
[20:10:02] <XXCoder> man
[20:10:32] <CaptHindsight> where i learned to gas weld
[20:10:50] <CaptHindsight> but I haven't touched it since, except for cutting
[20:11:04] <XXCoder> heh my bro attended school and learned that. we moved to other state before I got to that age
[20:11:26] <XXCoder> funny how I managed to "avoid" all classes that'd be fun
[20:11:29] <CaptHindsight> I can't see them having them anymore due to liability
[20:11:45] <XXCoder> yeah theres no way to do 100 tests there too
[20:11:57] <XXCoder> test based school really suck
[20:12:35] <CaptHindsight> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0000DD399?ie=UTF8&tag=dugnorth-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=B0000DD399
[20:12:45] <CaptHindsight> even lower budget version
[20:12:54] <XXCoder> yeah pretty good I think
[20:13:19] <XXCoder> whenever I get cnc working I might evenually add lathe chuck attachment to it lol
[20:13:28] <CaptHindsight> throw in a HF drill and a 2 year warranty
[20:13:46] <XXCoder> saw one cnc table that could have lathe chuck mounted on it so it can spin stokc while cnc works on it
[20:14:07] <CaptHindsight> I wonder how many drills you could return before they get upset
[20:17:03] <XXCoder> maybe 3-4 lol
[20:17:11] <XXCoder> definitely not metal lathe
[20:17:27] <XXCoder> I never could find that link on how to make lathe out of lathe
[20:17:58] <XXCoder> it sounds strange but then you could use friend lathe to make your own
[20:18:02] <CaptHindsight> I bought a compound miter saw last year that I put a great blade into for cutting aluminum...
[20:19:01] <CaptHindsight> it came with extra brushes but I haven't put any wear on it. I thought the motor would be toast by now
[20:19:35] <XXCoder> heh some tools can be oretty abused before any issues
[20:20:06] <CaptHindsight> $120 saw with $200 non-ferrous blade
[20:20:29] <XXCoder> pretty cheap lol
[20:21:21] <CaptHindsight> I cut plate and extrusions all the time, and wipe it with a candle every few cuts for lube
[20:21:43] <XXCoder> nice. makes sense, wax is pretty good
[20:23:29] <CaptHindsight> everything else I've ever gotten there either bends, breaks, melts etc after a few uses
[20:31:07] <XXCoder> tsk tsk abusive worker ;)
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[21:44:02] <Deejay> gn8
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[21:54:29] <MrSunshine> woohaa! heekscad/cnc released a new versionw iths imulator ?
[21:56:07] <MrSunshine> and gone over to "commercial" but i understand that .. and for that small price its nothing =)
[21:57:08] <zultron> Weird. Can't tell if it's open or closed source.
[21:57:20] <Swapper_> Anyone that can explain how +-10V speed signal can be connected, i have a Servostar 400 drive that seems to have + AND - terminals ? whats up with that?
[21:58:01] <Swapper_> can i hook up my 7i77 +-10 volt to the "+" side only and leave the "-" side ?
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[22:10:12] <MrSunshine> zultron, hehe .. yeah got a bit confused tehre "heekscad is totaly open source but here pay me to use it commercialy" .. but i guess thats aight also as long as that is the license of it =)
[22:10:29] <MrSunshine> but 10 for a cad/cam package isnt much to dick around about if used commercialy =)
[22:10:46] <zultron> Except I don't see his v 1.0 source code for download.
[22:11:12] <MrSunshine> compared to the what. .. $20 000 for solidworks and their cam package ... :P
[22:12:04] <zultron> Right, $10 is peanuts, and closed-source is fine for people who don't want to modify the source.
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[22:22:31] <zultron> I continue to be surprised that there's not enough demand for open-source 3D CAM that any project backed by a large development community exists.
[22:23:14] <XXCoder> my guess is everyone big has own solution to sell
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[22:25:00] <andypugh> zultron: How many are working on FreeCAD?
[22:25:12] <andypugh> Ah, wait, you said "CAM"
[22:25:46] <zultron> Actually, the FreeCAD CAM module might be the most viable project, but it's moving slowly.
[22:26:18] <andypugh> I am using Inventor and demo-runs of CamBam at this moment.
[22:26:18] <XXCoder> andypugh: if youre good, you could do kickstarter
[22:26:25] <zultron> Several folks working very intermittently on that, I believe.
[22:27:09] <andypugh> Swapper_: Are there three terminals?
[22:27:29] <Swapper_> yes
[22:27:38] <Swapper_> agnd and the + and -
[22:27:55] <zultron> But they've got a fantastic-looking plan, and a smart team, so I'm hopeful. :)
[22:27:56] <andypugh> Very odd. That be one for PCW that be.
[22:28:10] <Swapper_> ok ty
[22:28:20] <andypugh> LinuxCNC is the same, except for the plan part :-)
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[22:29:18] <XXCoder> jeez. 11 axis.
[22:29:19] <XXCoder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdCRCcwDeKQ
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[22:36:18] <MrSunshine> what a nightmare =)
[22:36:28] <MrSunshine> atleast for the poor cam programmers ;P
[22:36:41] <XXCoder> heh glad I'm not one
[22:36:58] <andypugh> It probably takes a week to program and an hour to make 1000 parts.
[22:37:19] <XXCoder> its probably perfect to constantly make set of parts
[22:37:30] <andypugh> (Which is fine, as lots of programmers can work in parallel)
[22:37:34] <XXCoder> so not much to do once its chugging along besides resupply and such
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[22:47:37] <Swapper_> pcw_home: if u got any input on connecting a 7i77 to a Servostar 400 that have + and - on the analog +-10 ref it would be much appriciated.
[22:48:06] <Swapper_> pcw_home: it have 3 inputs AGND and + AND -
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[23:04:45] <dzzig> Swapper I would interpret those connections as being balanced dc. + should go +ve with respect to gnd, while - goes correspondingly -ve with respect to gnd.
[23:05:42] <dzzig> agnd is analog ground, and connected as a noise shield and ground reference
[23:06:17] <dzzig> + and - and the connections to use to control speed
[23:06:27] <dzzig> oops + and - are
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