#linuxcnc | Logs for 2014-03-08

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[00:01:39] <paul_liebenberg> andy, the harrison.
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[00:40:23] <andypugh> paul_liebenberg: (Slow conversation). Yes, I am actually rather happy with how that turned out. For about the same as I paid for the Chinese (maybe Indian) machine I got something made out of a lot more metal by folk who actually knew how to make machine tools.
[00:43:31] <andypugh> somenewguy: But: You don't run all the motors flat out all the time (Actually, with steppers you do, and then the power requirepmet drops with speed.....) But the real power requirement is probably motor current and PSU voltage, rather than any of the other 4 combinations.
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[00:53:13] <zeeshan|2> 5/32
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[01:48:41] <s1dev> trying to figure out a method to mounting these without drilling into the bed of my lathe
[01:48:41] <s1dev> http://www.shars.com/products/view/2401/8quot_Horizontal_Digital_Machine_Scale
[01:50:11] <s1dev> any ideas?
[01:50:18] <andypugh> Just drill into the bed of your lathe
[01:51:01] <andypugh> It's metal, it doesn't care. Why do you care?
[01:51:08] <andypugh> (it's your lathe)
[01:52:24] <andypugh> But: Two things: 1) Remote reading is better. 2) why not just go CNC?
[01:52:33] <s1dev> 1) money 2) money
[01:53:29] <s1dev> this is probably just going to be a stopgap solution until I can get full length scales
[01:54:17] <s1dev> *full length real scales
[01:54:21] <andypugh> Encoders on the screws linked to LinuxCNC might be cheaper.
[01:54:44] <andypugh> (and remote, and mappable to screw error)
[01:55:01] <s1dev> it's a 50 year old rack/leadscrew
[01:55:16] <andypugh> So? Map it :-)
[01:55:26] <s1dev> hmm
[01:55:49] <andypugh> No, that won't work if you have rack and screw. Sorry.
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[01:56:11] <s1dev> I've got a rack/pinion and then a leadscrew for powerfeed
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[01:56:30] <s1dev> got a link for encoders?
[01:56:56] <andypugh> No shaft-drive powerfeed?
[01:58:12] <andypugh> There are too many encoder options.
[01:59:09] <andypugh> The cheapest + maximum effort is maybe $5 USB webcam and OCR of the existing feed screw dials.
[01:59:48] <andypugh> And as you spend more money the required effort decreases
[02:04:39] <andypugh> Plan A up there isn't stupid. Given the right track design and a camera that measures both pattern and pixel offset and a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Bruijn_sequence then a webcam can be a marvllous absolute rotary encoder.
[02:05:31] <andypugh> I am pretty sure that this is what http://www.renishaw.com/en/resolute-absolute-optical-encoder-how-it-works--10934 uses
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[02:06:52] <s1dev> I don't think I'd have room to mount that to the carriage
[02:07:51] <s1dev> http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-eDjDd76M-40/UAvMcdpfP_I/AAAAAAAAEeY/phEeV_bbA1g/s1600/lathe.jpg this is about the model I have
[02:09:01] <andypugh> That's too clean :-)
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[02:10:04] <s1dev> yeah, put about 50 years of rust and flaking paint on that, make it sorta green looking and you kinda have mine
[02:10:13] <andypugh> Ah!
[02:10:42] <andypugh> I hope yours laks the stupid spring on the chuck key?
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[02:12:21] <s1dev> something like that..., less stupid spring, more like ineffective theoretically self-ejecting chuck key
[02:12:24] <andypugh> s1dev: I am not sure that the scales you linked give you very much on the spectrum between full-manual and full-CNC.
[02:12:58] <s1dev> I'm just interested in knowing where I am lengthwise
[02:13:20] <andypugh> yeah, Z is more of an issue than X on a lathe.
[02:13:47] <s1dev> my crossfeed has a scale on the handle
[02:14:32] <s1dev> but yeah, if I were to CNC it, it would be problematic
[02:14:42] <andypugh> This (but cheaper) would be useful http://www.ebay.com/itm/Kubler-Draw-Wire-Encoder-TD5-2501-2421-1000-/120522023033?pt=BI_Control_Systems_PLCs&hash=item1c0fac2079
[02:16:09] <andypugh> Do you plan to go full-CNC in the future?
[02:16:09] <s1dev> it doesn't hurt to plan
[02:16:09] <s1dev> although not in the near future
[02:16:17] <s1dev> *immediate
[02:16:24] <andypugh> Which basically boils down to can you put a computer and monitor on the lathe
[02:16:32] <s1dev> yes I can
[02:16:49] <s1dev> which would be nice so I don't have to print out any cad drawings
[02:17:01] <s1dev> *nice anyway
[02:18:03] <andypugh> Then maybe a parport software encoder counter and encoders on the screws (accepting that in rack feed you don't know where you are) is a good, cheap, extensible, interim solutiion
[02:18:52] <andypugh> Given that in traditional lathe work you don't use the rack if you really care about Z length.
[02:19:44] <s1dev> why is that? (I'm still getting this lathe up and running)
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[02:21:34] <andypugh> Mainly because you can't.
[02:22:18] <s1dev> I visited a machine shop today to get a part machined and this guy had a dial gauge for his Z
[02:22:19] <andypugh> Traditional lathes are astonshingly bad at putting shoulders in the right place.
[02:22:36] <somenewguy> andypugh, not quite, a 3 axis move below your max speed, or at a low speed will draw full current on all motors, although such moves are uncommon, you at least need 2 axis
[02:22:58] <somenewguy> the current drop off shouldn't happen till the end of your useable speed range I suspect, as it can be pretty rapid
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[02:23:39] <andypugh> somenewguy: My current policy is to eschew steppers :-)
[02:24:21] <somenewguy> showoff
[02:25:22] <s1dev> how much would it cost to CNC my lathe, just X and Z
[02:25:26] <andypugh> s1dev: Sorry, I need to sleep now.
[02:25:32] <s1dev> preferrably using servos
[02:25:33] <s1dev> okay
[02:25:49] <s1dev> sleep is good, I can attest to why lack of is bad
[02:28:43] <andypugh> But steppers, at that size, keeping the existing screws, http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-Axis-Stepper-Motor-CNC-Kit-570-oz-in-/161240848834?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item258ab419c2 or simialr (first hit, do your own shopping) looks close. Add the same again to convert to ballscrews. But in typical lathe-work you can get away with the original screws much more than with a mill,
[02:29:16] <s1dev> hmm, I just thought about maybe just hooking up a joystick or something for manual lathe work
[02:29:22] <s1dev> that would be neat
[02:30:08] <andypugh> Actually, I don't think it would work anywhere nearly as well as you imagine :-)
[02:30:45] <s1dev> sure, you don't really feel it, but a large video game joystick
[02:31:30] <s1dev> I guess I'll figure that out when I get to it
[02:31:41] <andypugh> I do a lot more lathe work than mill work, but i don't use G-code. I run pre-programmed facing/turning/boring/threading cycles
[02:31:52] <humble_sea_bass> w hat kills it is the need to constantly change the feed rate
[02:33:27] <PetefromTn_> Okay folks.. Been playing with this damn toolchanger here this evening!!
[02:34:13] <andypugh> s1dev: http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/41-guis/26550-lathe-macros is how my setup looks, but there are other options that suit other worksreams. i nearly always do one-offs. Other options are better at assembling production options.
[02:35:19] <PetefromTn_> I managed to test the wiring to the toolchanger motor and it works great in both forward and reverse...
[02:35:39] <PetefromTn_> Trying to figure out the best way to wire it up permanently now.
[02:35:44] <s1dev> in your setup do you have an encoder on the spindle and do you use a VFD to control the rpm?
[02:37:58] <humble_sea_bass> that is really gangster andy
[02:38:14] <humble_sea_bass> like straigh up east LA
[02:40:41] <andypugh> s1dev: In my setup I have both. You need an encoder for threading. You can do constant surface feed with just a well-tuned VF
[02:40:43] <andypugh> D
[02:41:26] <andypugh> humble_sea_bass: Your cultural references mean nothing to me
[02:42:08] <humble_sea_bass> http://www.impawards.com/1987/posters/born_in_east_l_a_xlg.jpg
[02:42:11] <s1dev> my lathe is currently lacking a few gears and a compound, to replace those would cost me somewhere in the region of $400
[02:42:33] <s1dev> but if that's about the cost of a CNC conversion
[02:42:58] <s1dev> then it seems more advantageous to just do the conversion instead
[02:43:23] <andypugh> Indeed, if nothing else a conversion to electronic leadscrew makes sense.
[02:45:04] <andypugh> I really do need to log off. Night all
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[02:45:17] <humble_sea_bass> night
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[03:18:12] <PetefromTn_> Well I did not remember but I already hooked up all of the outputs from the 7i77 to the solid state relay bank in the electronics enclosure....
[03:19:09] <PetefromTn_> So I think now I can test the toolchanger carousel with software control. Gonna get it buttoned up and while I am back there go ahead and hookup the prox switches since I know what they are now to power and then check their operation with a VM.
[03:19:59] <s1dev> so what do I need in the way of electronics for a cnc conversion?
[03:20:04] <s1dev> using steppers
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[03:29:23] <PetefromTn_> Just noticed that there is indeed a tool umbrella out and in sensor pair back there...
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[04:00:28] <PetefromTn_> Okay I think I just figured out what the last wire in the machine does YEAH!!!
[04:02:05] <PetefromTn_> I just gotta get the prox sensors sorted out now as far as whether they are PNP or NPN and I can hook up all of them to the 7i77. The relays are all hooked up for the toolchanger now and the motor for the toolchanger is hooked up too..
[04:02:41] <PetefromTn_> I should be able to get the prox sensors sorted out tomorrow afternoon and get them hooked up.
[04:03:08] <PetefromTn_> There is one pair of them that actually only has two wires in each sensor for the ram in and ram out function.
[04:03:38] <PetefromTn_> What actually gets back to the control is only one wire per sensor so I guess they are just some kinda simple switch.
[04:03:55] <PetefromTn_> The wires appear to be grounded inside the connector somehow.
[04:04:46] <PetefromTn_> I think they may have set them up to use the same grounds that the once per pocket prox sensor uses in the plug to avoid having to have two more wires going into the enclosure.
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[05:40:20] <jonasthomas> hello, I'm farting around with my beagle bone with Linuxcnc loaded on it. I'm running a VNC on my laptop and I wanted to fire up linuxcnc running on the BBB and displaying on my latop. I got a error message very close if not identical to this. http://www.marshut.com/vsxhw/i-can-t-open-linuxcnc-on-my-bbb-via-ssh.html I think I'm missing something overbious here. Any Ideas?.
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[07:46:26] <Deejay> moin
[07:48:08] <miss0r1> mornin'
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[08:33:40] <helix247> The linuxcnc home page has turned into Cyrillic, at least in Safari ....
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[08:49:47] <kengu> pretty english to me
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[09:08:44] <helix247> Are you using Safari on OS X?
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[09:11:15] <archivist> have you got a trojan/man in the middle attack in russia
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[09:52:32] <helix247> I think I'm turning japanse ...
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[10:26:20] <cnccnc1> hello world
[10:27:32] <cnccnc1> I have many problem
[10:27:53] <archivist> fix them one by one
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[10:32:28] <cnccnc1> How I do modifie step and dir?
[10:32:43] <cnccnc1> I used kcam on windows
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[10:35:55] <archivist> those two statements are unrelated, what is your real problem
[10:36:53] <cnccnc1> I select sherline 3 axis
[10:37:03] <cnccnc1> only x movement one direction
[10:37:46] <cnccnc1> right arrow - x go to right
[10:37:58] <cnccnc1> left arrow - x go to left
[10:39:15] <cnccnc1> sory , left arrow - x not go to left
[10:40:34] <archivist> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Stepper_Drive_Timing
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[11:11:59] <RyanS> How 'excited' should I get about designing a welded steel machine stand for a 300kg CNC mill. Is that much weight to generate significant vibration and inertia from the axes?
[11:14:03] <RyanS> I'm not so much thinking can The table take the weight , but harmonics or whatever
[11:14:14] <archivist> look at some of the youtube videos where the machine shakes, iirc that hoss crap is on a sping stand
[11:14:27] <archivist> spring
[11:15:08] <RyanS> tormach 770 the official stand is a rip-off including shipping in Australia
[11:16:01] <RyanS> I've seen one design that doesn't appear all that rigid but I would not know
[11:16:45] <archivist> add bracing if they wobble
[11:18:06] <RyanS> yeah , and also bracing to transfer the weight directly from the machines base to the floor?
[11:19:53] <archivist> that what legs are for
[11:20:54] <RyanS> Not if the actual stand is wider, it would probably 'dip'
[11:21:39] <archivist> webbing under the table to keep it flat
[11:22:45] <RyanS> This looks okay, but I don't like the machine bolt down points or how the feet are mounted http://www.cnczone.com/forums/tormach-personal-cnc-mill/171357-improved-770-stand-diy.html
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[12:32:52] <linuxcnc> hi
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[12:33:51] <linuxcnc_newbie> anybody is Turk?
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[13:16:20] <humble_sea_bass> omfg this flu
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[14:17:13] <CaptHindsight> just don't follow this design for a machine frame http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfUlQRkh0jo
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[14:40:15] <humble_sea_bass> that's just kendorf slotted channel
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[14:43:27] <PetefromTn_> Good Saturday Morning to all my LinuxCNC friends..
[14:43:40] <humble_sea_bass> morning
[14:44:00] <PetefromTn_> humble morning to ya man..
[14:44:35] <humble_sea_bass> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vVblGlIMgw
[14:45:08] <humble_sea_bass> informative
[14:45:55] <humble_sea_bass> however, when did start making a show whose entire reason for being is to give handies to Adam Savage's money
[14:48:17] <humble_sea_bass> also, khaki pool table felt is the woooorst
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[14:57:10] <PetefromTn_> I prefer the red/maroon..
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[15:06:34] <CaptHindsight> polka dot, just to shake things up
[15:07:00] <humble_sea_bass> that would be hell
[15:07:39] <PetefromTn_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2itwFJCgFQ AMAZING!!
[15:08:18] <CaptHindsight> stopped by an Outdoor World/Bass Pro Shop yesterday on my roadtrip
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[15:09:19] <CaptHindsight> not a big selection of nylon fish line
[15:09:37] <humble_sea_bass> i have 2 different kinds i found at walmart
[15:09:49] <humble_sea_bass> different diameters
[15:10:18] <CaptHindsight> I just can't watch most Ted Talks, it's like a corporate version of #reprap
[15:10:49] <humble_sea_bass> Ted is trying to hard to
[15:10:54] <humble_sea_bass> inspire and entertain
[15:11:12] <CaptHindsight> who is the audience supposed to be?
[15:11:19] <CaptHindsight> non tech?
[15:11:48] <humble_sea_bass> it used to be silicon valley set that likes the smell of their own farts
[15:12:43] <humble_sea_bass> then it got popular though podcasts and the general populace enjoyed getting high on platitutes with a mild sheen of technical ability
[15:13:35] <CaptHindsight> big tanks of freshwater fish, felt like a cross between an aquarium and a Chinese seafood restaurant
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[15:15:30] <CaptHindsight> http://content.basspro.com/outdoorworld/storeGalleryXML/storegalleries/54_3869976_33.jpg
[15:15:51] <humble_sea_bass> this was a shop?
[15:16:11] <CaptHindsight> yeah, they had an indoor archery and shooting range as well
[15:16:27] <humble_sea_bass> in my new york?
[15:16:39] <CaptHindsight> this one was in Portage IN
[15:16:48] <CaptHindsight> but I think they have them upstate
[15:16:51] <humble_sea_bass> never in my ny
[15:17:43] <CaptHindsight> up in the Finger lakes
[15:18:17] <humble_sea_bass> I once took a fly fishing lesson around Ithaca
[15:18:23] <humble_sea_bass> it was rad
[15:18:42] <CaptHindsight> http://www.mystore411.com/store/view/928892/Bass-Pro-Shops-Auburn
[15:19:15] <PetefromTn_> Seriously that is all you got from that video..?
[15:19:31] <PetefromTn_> That was quite an impressive display of technology if you ask me.
[15:19:53] <zeeshan|2> man theres gotta be an easier way to make a 4"x2" cutout in a 14 gauge steel enclsoure
[15:20:03] <humble_sea_bass> Pete, it is amazing to be sure, but I like my presentations dry and tedious
[15:20:08] <zeeshan|2> than using a plasma cutter, dremel tool, or jig saw
[15:20:12] <zeeshan|2> and prolly a cleaner method too!
[15:20:43] * archivist hands zeeshan|2 a book on explosive metal forming :)
[15:20:53] <zeeshan|2> no
[15:21:09] <CaptHindsight> 30 second video and a single column on Phys.org is usually good enough, then link to the white paper for more meat
[15:21:30] <CaptHindsight> anything more is just showmanship
[15:21:56] <PetefromTn_> Robotic controls and algorithyms are getting more and more advanced and what was seemingly impossible just a couple years ago is now becoming commonplace. And to think I am amazed by my three axis CNC mill LOL...
[15:22:03] <humble_sea_bass> he used the phrase "redefine physics"
[15:22:10] <CaptHindsight> if it's so ground breaking then why are you trying to sell it to me?
[15:22:11] <PetefromTn_> he was kidding..
[15:22:27] <PetefromTn_> who is trying to sell what to you?
[15:22:36] <CaptHindsight> am I in a coma?
[15:22:43] <PetefromTn_> probably..
[15:23:20] <CaptHindsight> does physics now mean cheese puffs?
[15:23:28] <PetefromTn_> besides even if the entire thing WAS a sales pitch how do you think technology marches on with freebies and pennies?
[15:24:05] <humble_sea_bass> i like to watch things on mute
[15:24:21] <humble_sea_bass> it is a bad habit
[15:25:19] <PetefromTn_> What pisses me off is every friggin' video I watch on youtube has to be preceeded by a damn commercial. I mean I understand they are needing the make money but good lord I used to think it sucked watching commercials three times during a half hour TV show...
[15:25:43] <CaptHindsight> non-criminal fingerprinting services? fun for the entire family? http://www.cabelas.com/stores/store_info.jsp?pageName=021
[15:26:54] <zeeshan|2> don't diss ted talks
[15:26:57] <zeeshan|2> i did one :P
[15:26:59] <CaptHindsight> humble_sea_bass: http://www.cabelas.com/stores/store_info.jsp?pageName=023
[15:29:14] <humble_sea_bass> outdoor shops in other states are nuts
[15:29:49] <CaptHindsight> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b4/CabelasAquarium.JPG come inside and see outdoor outdoor display
[15:30:00] <CaptHindsight> our outdoor
[15:31:31] <humble_sea_bass> the outdoors, INSIDE
[15:31:39] <CaptHindsight> I wonder which store Tim Allen is making fun of? Cabela's or Bass Pro Shops
[15:36:40] <CaptHindsight> the Credit App has questions like: Which cousin did you marry?
[15:40:57] <humble_sea_bass> *rimshot*
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[15:42:25] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: just be fair I just watched the quadcopter vid, the algorithms he refers to were developed back in the 50-80's, some actually to Newton and others
[15:42:40] <CaptHindsight> what worries me is how this stuff gets lost over time
[15:42:57] <humble_sea_bass> we have no memory
[15:43:21] <humble_sea_bass> just look at the job listing for aircraft part reverse engineering
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[15:49:33] <CaptHindsight> now it would have been ground breaking if he actually did change the laws of physics
[15:49:57] <zeeshan|2> CaptHindsight: don't be a hater
[15:50:24] <CaptHindsight> I'm not, he's embarrassing
[15:51:18] <CaptHindsight> is he not able to simply describe what is actually happening or did someone tell him to add some wow to the presentation?
[15:51:35] <zeeshan|2> prolly both
[15:51:36] <zeeshan|2> :)
[15:52:29] <zeeshan|2> a new application using old control algorithms could be ground breaking
[15:52:36] <CaptHindsight> so he confuses people that are learning by telling them things that are inaccurate
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[15:53:13] <emc2_new_user> hello
[15:53:19] <CaptHindsight> like numbers start at 0 and go 1, 2, 3 then 4 years later they introduce negative integers
[15:53:36] <emc2_new_user> anybody know turkish?
[15:54:00] <humble_sea_bass> nah dog, but you can take a stab in english
[15:54:16] <emc2_new_user> Ispeak a little
[15:54:17] <CaptHindsight> or that everything is made of Atoms and they are the smallest things, then later Atoms are made of .....
[15:54:47] <humble_sea_bass> I demand to be inspired
[15:54:55] <humble_sea_bass> 3D printing will solve it all
[15:54:57] <emc2_new_user> I work emc bur not configure step,velocity
[15:55:00] <s1dev> CaptHindsight: they do say that atoms are the smallest thing in late elementary school iirc
[15:55:03] <emc2_new_user> do you help me?
[15:55:13] <CaptHindsight> they should combine TED talks with wrestling
[15:56:20] <CaptHindsight> emc2_new_user: what is your actual problem?
[15:56:49] <zeeshan|2> 3d printing is just a "thing"
[15:56:49] <CaptHindsight> need help with your configuration file?
[15:57:16] <CaptHindsight> don't conflate 3D printing with recrap
[15:57:17] <zeeshan|2> unfortunately 1 in every 1000 people is creativer
[15:57:23] <zeeshan|2> to make use of 3d printing
[15:57:27] <s1dev> zeeshan|2: "things" change the world
[15:57:30] <zeeshan|2> might even be 10,000
[15:57:34] <humble_sea_bass> recrap has taken over 3d printing
[15:57:40] <zeeshan|2> s1dev: an example is this
[15:57:40] <humble_sea_bass> thanks,TED!
[15:57:53] <zeeshan|2> you hand an amazing tool like a mituotoyo vernier caliper to an engineering student
[15:57:58] <zeeshan|2> and they use it as a screw driver
[15:57:59] <zeeshan|2> lol
[15:58:23] <emc2_new_user> CaptHindsight: I try mach3 and kcam4 on windows [17:57] <emc2_new_user> kcam and emc conf is different
[15:58:24] <zeeshan|2> what i'm trying to say is, you can have amazing tools, but theres a handful of people who can make use of them
[15:58:26] <CaptHindsight> really, I thought they made really good ice picks
[15:58:26] <s1dev> and then they realize that stupid they were in 5 years and finally use it as a vernier caliper
[15:58:29] <zeeshan|2> ie users in here :)
[15:58:33] <s1dev> this is true
[15:58:42] <humble_sea_bass> zeeshan|2: that lack of sense used to get you kicked off my group when i was in college
[15:58:52] <zeeshan|2> lol
[15:58:56] <emc2_new_user> how I send you my configueation file?
[15:59:01] <zeeshan|2> dude i almost cried yesterday
[15:59:08] <emc2_new_user> or connect teamvier
[15:59:11] <zeeshan|2> i saw a guy run a 3/4 end mill through a kurt vise
[15:59:21] <CaptHindsight> don't confuse education with schooling
[15:59:24] <zeeshan|2> at the school machine shop!
[15:59:28] <s1dev> 0.o
[15:59:30] <zeeshan|2> grad student too
[15:59:56] <zeeshan|2> it went through the clamping direction through both the jaws and the vise
[16:00:04] <CaptHindsight> emc2_new_user: use pastebin.ca or similar
[16:00:07] <zeeshan|2> how do you crash that badly
[16:00:42] <zeeshan|2> there's a bunch of people at my school trying to make control algorithms where you can "copy and paste" 3d parts
[16:00:57] <humble_sea_bass> the best thing I ever saw in school was an endmill planted in a bed like excalibur
[16:01:01] <s1dev> those already exists
[16:01:07] <zeeshan|2> s1dev: they be slow
[16:01:08] <emc2_new_user> kcam conf. file or emc conf. file?
[16:01:14] <emc2_new_user> CaptHindsight:
[16:01:23] <s1dev> I guess so
[16:01:31] <s1dev> it's what they use to copy the dies for coins
[16:01:33] <CaptHindsight> emc2_new_user: whichever you have questions about
[16:01:36] <zeeshan|2> s1dev: this is like taking 3 pictures and letting the software convert to 3d model and then it's easy from there
[16:01:42] <s1dev> or that
[16:02:21] <s1dev> I wrote some firmware modifications for 3d printers that allowed you to use a digitizer probe to generate a pointmap
[16:02:39] <zeeshan|2> that's cool
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[16:02:56] <s1dev> never tested them and I gave the code to someone, not sure if it ever made it into the firmware it was originally a fork of
[16:03:16] <CaptHindsight> ok, so he has some code to control plastic copters, now lets see them actually used in the skies to lift construction loads over NYC
[16:03:37] <zeeshan|2> won't happen
[16:03:38] <zeeshan|2> lol
[16:03:39] <emc2_new_user> CaptHindsight: I used kcam is work. but smilar value in emc,don't right work
[16:03:41] <s1dev> yay PID loop overshoot!
[16:04:09] <zeeshan|2> it's cheaper and faster to use a helipcopter pilot :P
[16:04:16] <s1dev> looks like it did make it in
[16:04:53] <CaptHindsight> zeeshan|2: so the best practical fit will be for blowing up stuff
[16:04:58] <emc2_new_user> motor srep per rev / driver microstepping / pulley teeth , what value this field ?
[16:05:58] <CaptHindsight> emc2_new_user: http://www.pastebin.ca/ and then post the link you get here for everyone to see
[16:06:55] <CaptHindsight> or for heating houses filled with popcorn
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[16:08:37] <emc2_new_user> I don't find emc conf file, I used "linuxcnc stepconf wizard"
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[16:09:57] <humble_sea_bass> emc2_new_user: go to your home folder
[16:10:15] <emc2_new_user> yes humble_sea_bass
[16:12:09] <emc2_new_user> - linuxcnc - config
[16:12:41] <CaptHindsight> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_RzQpdyKsw&feature=youtu.be skip to 1:00
[16:12:49] <CaptHindsight> http://www.3d-zero.com/
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[16:13:16] <humble_sea_bass> omfg
[16:13:17] <humble_sea_bass> omfg
[16:13:33] <humble_sea_bass> the first minute was teh best
[16:14:03] <CaptHindsight> lol. I have a hammer I can load you to hit yourself with if interested
[16:14:21] <humble_sea_bass> ridgidity is over rated
[16:14:33] <humble_sea_bass> kiddes getting fed in africa
[16:14:36] <humble_sea_bass> 3d printed food
[16:15:05] <emc2_new_user> .hal , .ini or .xml , which file ?
[16:15:29] <CaptHindsight> delta robot with tooling you can swap like an extruder or spindle
[16:15:46] <CaptHindsight> gee where did i see this before?
[16:16:11] <humble_sea_bass> 2004 won't be like 1994
[16:16:21] <humble_sea_bass> emc2_new_user: your ini file mang
[16:16:36] <CaptHindsight> just cut right to the chase, integrate 3d printers right into human dna, every problem solved
[16:16:51] <emc2_new_user> ok , .ini copy to pastebin.ca
[16:17:06] <humble_sea_bass> this printer takes sand and prints food from it
[16:17:12] <humble_sea_bass> i am impressed
[16:17:16] <CaptHindsight> look for the link pastebin gives you, paste that here
[16:17:28] <CaptHindsight> emc2_new_user: ^^
[16:18:44] <emc2_new_user> CaptHindsight: humble_sea_bass http://pastebin.ca/2652947
[16:19:06] <CaptHindsight> now if they could make 1964 look like 2004 that would be cool
[16:22:48] <CaptHindsight> emc2_new_user: now what problem are you having? You're not sure what your SCALE should be with your setup?
[16:23:16] <emc2_new_user> setup is wrong
[16:23:47] <CaptHindsight> how many step/rev stepper? what gearing? or pulley ratio?
[16:24:25] <CaptHindsight> emc2_new_user: what happens now with your current config? what is wrong?
[16:24:26] <emc2_new_user> my step motor 1.8 ,mil pitch 5
[16:25:31] <emc2_new_user> X axis move,but not true (go to 1 mm, machine go ~1,5mm),y and z axis not move
[16:25:44] <emc2_new_user> I will send mach3 and kcam conf file
[16:25:45] <humble_sea_bass> Ne denetleyici kullan─▒yorsunuz? Ne step motor?
[16:25:55] <CaptHindsight> so 1.8 deg stepper or 200 counts per rev
[16:26:04] <emc2_new_user> humble very good;)
[16:26:15] <humble_sea_bass> http://translate.google.com/
[16:26:18] <CaptHindsight> and a screw with 5mm pitch?
[16:26:30] <emc2_new_user> motor 1.8
[16:26:41] <emc2_new_user> screv 5mm right
[16:26:43] <emc2_new_user> yes
[16:27:01] <CaptHindsight> Ben bu ┼čekilde y├╝r├╝yebiliyordu e─čer ben talk pudras─▒ ihtiyac─▒n─▒z olmaz
[16:27:09] <CaptHindsight> If I could walk that way I would not need the talcum powder
[16:27:14] <CaptHindsight> it works!
[16:27:28] <humble_sea_bass> hahh
[16:28:22] <CaptHindsight> emc2_new_user: we won't help you with Mach3
[16:28:34] <emc2_new_user> mach3 is work
[16:28:46] <humble_sea_bass> what controller are you using
[16:28:49] <emc2_new_user> kcam is very good work,
[16:28:50] <humble_sea_bass> I don't own mach3
[16:28:57] <emc2_new_user> I look my controller 1 min
[16:29:01] <humble_sea_bass> i mean what driver
[16:30:31] <CaptHindsight> [AXIS_0] SCALE = 2048.0 [AXIS_1] SCALE = 81920.0 why the difference if you ave the same screws and motors?
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[16:30:55] <CaptHindsight> [AXIS_2] SCALE = 20.0
[16:31:56] <CaptHindsight> I forget the formula again steps per rev vs pitch
[16:32:14] <CaptHindsight> and my system is in a box or in other rooms
[16:32:15] <emc2_new_user> 200*16=3200/5=640
[16:33:39] <emc2_new_user> 360 ┬░ / 1.8 ┬░ = 200 steps (1/1 microstep setting) 200/5 = 40 (5 for spindle pitch of 1 mm steps required to progress) setting steps p = 40 (5 pitch shaft and 1/1 microsteps setting) pr = 40 * 8 = 320 steps (5 pitch shaft and the eighth microsteps setting) steps pr = 40 * 16 = 640 (5 pitch mile and 1/16 microsteps setting)
[16:35:21] <emc2_new_user> Where these values ÔÇőÔÇőare written?
[16:35:46] <humble_sea_bass> emc2_new_user: what is your Driver Microstepping value
[16:36:17] <emc2_new_user> I don't know humble_sea_bass
[16:36:35] <CaptHindsight> SCALE is Steps / in or mm based on the units chosen
[16:37:43] <CaptHindsight> and I don't think you mean MILE (1 Mile = 1609.34m)
[16:38:53] <emc2_new_user> guess 1/16
[16:39:04] <emc2_new_user> mm
[16:39:09] <emc2_new_user> I use mm
[16:39:10] <humble_sea_bass> you stilYou still need to tell me what controller you are using, is it the Gecko G540?
[16:39:18] <emc2_new_user> no gecko
[16:39:25] <emc2_new_user> hobby cnc
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[16:40:44] <emc2_new_user> control card WZM-2H042Md
[16:42:32] <humble_sea_bass> http://www.robosancnc.com/pdfs/ZM-2H042Md.pdf
[16:42:39] <emc2_new_user> yes
[16:43:08] <CaptHindsight> chart page 3
[16:43:50] <emc2_new_user> microstep setting swich
[16:44:06] <CaptHindsight> what are your settings?
[16:44:33] <humble_sea_bass> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/config/images/stepconf-axis.png
[16:44:48] <humble_sea_bass> see item 2? this is often a problem
[16:45:15] <emc2_new_user> I don't my card,in box
[16:45:56] <CaptHindsight> emc2_new_user: you need to see the settings
[16:46:27] <emc2_new_user> ok wait I 'll look
[16:46:30] <CaptHindsight> otherwise it's guess the screw pitch
[16:46:47] <emc2_new_user> humble_sea_bass: I try picture value?
[16:47:00] <emc2_new_user> screw pitch 5mm
[16:47:00] <humble_sea_bass> no don't use picture value
[16:47:05] <humble_sea_bass> you have to figure it out
[16:47:47] <CaptHindsight> true, I assumed the docs might actually be accurate
[16:47:54] <CaptHindsight> silly me
[16:48:16] <emc2_new_user> http://www.damencnc.com/images/products/fullsize/FSI.jpg
[16:48:33] <emc2_new_user> ok not try
[16:48:50] <CaptHindsight> so you measured the screw and it's 5m per turn and 1 start?
[16:49:10] <humble_sea_bass> You must determine the microstepping value based on your controller and tell LinuxCNC. You must also know the parameters of your screw pitch.
[16:49:13] <humble_sea_bass> Read the manual for your controller, it tells you how to determine the microstep value.
[16:49:24] <humble_sea_bass> Sen denetleyiciye ba─čl─▒ Mikrostep de─čerini belirlemek ve LinuxCNC s├Âylemek gerekir. Ayr─▒ca vida sahan─▒n parametrelerini bilmeniz gerekir.
[16:49:27] <humble_sea_bass> Denetleyicinizdeki i├žin k─▒lavuzunu okuyun, bu mikro de─čerini belirlemek i├žin nas─▒l s├Âyler.
[16:49:29] <CaptHindsight> then you can check the rotation by moving 200 steps and measure the angle
[16:50:04] <CaptHindsight> sounds like you're off by 50% on that one axis
[16:50:13] <CaptHindsight> not sure on Z
[16:51:57] <emc2_new_user> x 0 0 1 1
[16:52:04] <emc2_new_user> y 0 0 1 0
[16:53:48] <CaptHindsight> how are the switches numbered? the document says switch #4 is kept on or 1
[16:54:45] <CaptHindsight> so from your example switch# 1, 2, 3, 4 or 4, 3, 2, 1 ?
[16:55:16] <emc2_new_user> 1 2 3 4
[16:55:40] <CaptHindsight> so Y is wrong since #4 has to be a 1 or on
[16:56:07] <CaptHindsight> and 123 being 001 you are set at 16 microsteps
[16:56:14] <emc2_new_user> yes
[16:56:33] <emc2_new_user> axis 1 2 3
[16:56:37] <emc2_new_user> x 0 0 1
[16:56:43] <emc2_new_user> y 0 0 1
[16:56:54] <CaptHindsight> so 16 x 200 steps = 3200
[16:57:05] <emc2_new_user> the same
[16:57:45] <CaptHindsight> what are your units in the config? mm or inch?
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[16:58:23] <emc2_new_user> yes
[16:58:43] <humble_sea_bass> you can't say yes to quesions with two options
[16:59:03] <emc2_new_user> 3200 is which value on this pic? http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/config/images/stepconf-axis.png
[16:59:16] <emc2_new_user> I use mm
[17:00:01] <archivist> some thinking required
[17:00:16] <CaptHindsight> 3200 actual steps per rev, 1 rev = 5mm
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[17:02:00] <CaptHindsight> 3200 / 5 = 640 steps per mm
[17:03:44] <CaptHindsight> so try SCALE = 640 and test movement
[17:05:08] <CaptHindsight> off to mix up stuff, bbl
[17:05:38] <humble_sea_bass> I'm gonna go get me some lunch
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[17:07:14] <CaptHindsight> 47F Monday, I wearing shorts
[17:07:55] <humble_sea_bass> given my new-found flu, good weather is criminal
[17:08:18] <CaptHindsight> figures, just when the weather gets nicer
[17:08:32] <emc2_new_user> http://hizliresim.com/upload.php
[17:08:52] <emc2_new_user> sorry
[17:08:54] <emc2_new_user> http://i.hizliresim.com/eaQV7d.jpg
[17:08:59] <emc2_new_user> is it true?
[17:09:32] <CaptHindsight> no
[17:09:40] <emc2_new_user> humble_sea_bass: thanks
[17:09:45] <emc2_new_user> humble_sea_bass: bon appetit
[17:10:16] <CaptHindsight> just change the SCALE settings in your config to 640
[17:11:13] <CaptHindsight> or if you really just are using the tool, then Motor steps: 200, microstepping: 16 leadscrew pitch: 5
[17:11:46] <CaptHindsight> AXIS SCALE should end up : 640 Steps / mm
[17:12:04] <emc2_new_user> ok I try this
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[17:13:48] <emc2_new_user> pulley teeth 1:1
[17:14:14] <CaptHindsight> if that is what you have, then yes
[17:14:29] <emc2_new_user> maximum velocity :4 and maximum acceleration :200
[17:14:50] <CaptHindsight> pants? check, shoes? check, OK I'm off
[17:20:08] <emc2_new_user> thanks for all
[17:20:10] <emc2_new_user> very much
[17:20:27] <emc2_new_user> I have last question what is this value? http://hizliresim.com/xBQJEM
[17:21:43] <archivist> unreadable image use words
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[17:26:47] <emc2_new_user> I check
[17:27:40] <emc2_new_user> http://imgur.com/FZd4hZN
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[17:33:47] <jonasthomas> is the board logged anywhere? I posted a question and I turned my computer off... Duhhhh
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[17:38:28] <PetefromTn_> http://emc.mah.priv.at/irc/
[17:40:06] <jonasthomas> thanks
[17:41:16] <emc2_new_user> CaptHindsight: are you here?
[17:43:06] <jonasthomas> freaky just read my thanks in the log..
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[17:50:39] <Jymmm> Deejay: <-- exhibitionist
[17:51:13] <zeeshan|2> hey guys
[17:51:19] <Deejay> hi Jymmm
[17:51:21] <zeeshan|2> the power switch for a motherboard is a momentary switch
[17:51:21] <Deejay> and zeeshan|2
[17:51:22] <zeeshan|2> right?
[17:51:24] <zeeshan|2> hi
[17:51:30] <Deejay> right
[17:51:34] <zeeshan|2> ok
[17:51:42] <zeeshan|2> ill use an industrial momentary switch to turn on comp!
[17:51:46] <zeeshan|2> cause itll fit easily in the panel
[17:52:21] <zeeshan|2> momentary N.O?
[17:52:26] <Deejay> yep
[17:52:29] <zeeshan|2> :D
[17:52:43] <Deejay> the contact is closed when you press
[17:53:12] <zeeshan|2> yes
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[18:07:26] <emc2_new_user> I step per settings is good but pulsating working , my mail ktarhann @ hotmail .com
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[18:16:55] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[18:17:00] <Deejay> hi IchGuckLive
[18:19:07] <IchGuckLive> miss0r: ?
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[18:31:50] <ben5446> Has anyone here had an "Unknown Operation" while digitizing?
[18:32:09] <Jymmm> no error code?
[18:32:21] <ben5446> nope
[18:32:52] <Jymmm> scrn cap?
[18:33:49] <ben5446> I run this: G90 G38.2 F#1011 X#1006 Y#1007 Z#1008 and it moves until the digitizer makes contact then returns the unknown operation error and the g-code stops
[18:35:49] <IchGuckLive> ben5446: at the first word of this
[18:36:03] <IchGuckLive> or in digitalizing somewhere
[18:36:45] <ben5446> the code only digitizes this one point
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[18:37:19] <ben5446> i put debug statements before and after to see where the probram stops... it doesnt get the the one after
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[18:38:23] <IchGuckLive> as the probe point is the same in X Y as the point you moved to it will trow an error
[18:38:53] <IchGuckLive> why dont you move first and then agter Z stopt get the ccordinaes
[18:39:53] <IchGuckLive> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/gcode/gcode.html#sec:G38-probe
[18:40:00] <IchGuckLive> i guess you have read this
[18:40:06] <ben5446> this is a 5 axis machine... the A axis is rotated when i digitize so i need to move X Y and Z together
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[18:40:09] <Zaaarin> Is it ok to use a flycutter with a drill press? Can you make your own flycutter to bore out mild steel?
[18:40:27] <ben5446> yes, ive read that
[18:40:28] <IchGuckLive> Zaaarin: comen use
[18:40:28] <s1dev> I would imagine it would depend on your definition of ok
[18:41:14] <Zaaarin> Any schematics of a DIY flycutter linear bore head for a 350w drill press?
[18:41:17] <IchGuckLive> s1dev: mabe he goes for a big hole that will trow the drill press
[18:41:17] <Zaaarin> Using standard chut
[18:41:51] <IchGuckLive> Zaaarin: first go for center pin as big as you can
[18:42:16] <IchGuckLive> then do a 45Deg hole or cut and put in a Lathe Tool
[18:42:16] <archivist> Zaaarin, will be a huge amount of vibration if not done correctly
[18:42:18] <Zaaarin> What do I need to make a flycutter end?
[18:42:22] <ben5446> IchGuckLive: I have an almost identical program that probes in a different direction which requires no X movement which works fine
[18:44:28] <IchGuckLive> ben5446: why are you moving towards probing in all 3 axis
[18:44:58] <Zaaarin> Can I make it by welding nuts and bolts together?
[18:45:37] <IchGuckLive> Zaaarin: yes if RPM below 200
[18:46:01] <ben5446> IchGuckLive: because I have probe the part directly from the side while the part is rotated about the A axis
[18:46:16] <IchGuckLive> Zaaarin: what is the Hole Diameter to be cut
[18:46:28] <Zaaarin> minimum RPM my drill press will do is 550rpm, any ideas how I can modify it to have extra pulleys?
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[18:46:57] <Zaaarin> 4inch through 10mm of steel they don't sell hole cutters that big, besides, I feel a hole saw would just pack in from the friction forces
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[18:47:09] <IchGuckLive> ben5446: are yiou in G17 coords
[18:47:28] <Zaaarin> burned out my last one, I got a new powerplus drill press
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[18:48:47] <Zaaarin> How do I slow my machine down beyond it's manufactured minimum speed? Weld a plate on the side, mount a 2nd pulley little pulley to big pulley from the motor then another belt going little to big to the spindle?
[18:49:45] <archivist> Zaaarin, you are asking how not to do things, we would not make 4 inch holes with such a tiny drill press
[18:50:05] <IchGuckLive> ben5446: in normal ways it is only this G38.2Z#8
[18:50:06] <IchGuckLive> (LOG,G1 X#5061 Y#5062 Z#5063)
[18:50:10] <archivist> chain drill, saw and file
[18:50:32] <Zaaarin> loads of small pilot holes then bore out the smaller ones with bigger ones all around?
[18:50:46] <archivist> something like that
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[18:51:20] <IchGuckLive> ben5446: did you look inside smartprobe.ngc for probing a part
[18:51:22] <Zaaarin> at 550rpm 350watt, what's the LARGEST diam of drillbit you'd use going through thick mild steel?
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[18:52:39] <archivist> depends on pilot holes, quality of steel and the rain
[18:52:52] <ben5446> IchGuckLive: is there a way i can send you my code?
[18:53:05] <archivist> pastebin
[18:53:17] <IchGuckLive> Zaaarin: google pictures "drill press flycutter
[18:53:20] <Zaaarin> 2mm pilot holes?
[18:53:27] <ben5446> IchGuckLive: yes im in G17 coords
[18:53:54] <Zaaarin> I get this: Flycutter + Drill Chuck + Drill Press = Accident Waiting to Happen!
[18:53:58] <IchGuckLive> ben5446: i dont need the code as i dont know exaxt what you want to see as a result
[18:54:36] <archivist> Zaaarin, sometimes one needs to use a number of drills to get a hole of a certain size
[18:55:29] <archivist> Zaaarin, too much power needed you only have half horse
[18:56:48] <IchGuckLive> ben5446: i assume you got a part on the X axis thar rotates around A but what is the probe doing for Generating Gcosde you only need the Z for probing
[18:57:22] <IchGuckLive> ben5446: moving along X and rotating the A
[18:57:28] <archivist> he needs as many axes as he needs not just Z
[18:57:59] <IchGuckLive> archivist: in the LOG yes but not n the Probing move
[18:58:20] <archivist> if probing the face or angle he needs what he needs
[18:58:35] <ben5446> thats correct
[18:59:28] <archivist> ben5446, I also have 5 axis, but currently done probe
[18:59:34] <archivist> dont
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[19:00:00] <ben5446> i managed to probe at an angle using only Y and Z, but when I throw X in there I get the unknown operation error. But I don't understand why it will probe in the proper direction then give me the error upon contact.
[19:00:48] <IchGuckLive> ben5446: are you on 2.6.pre
[19:00:51] <Zaaarin> I think this is the best tool: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTodUEUMCpk
[19:00:52] <archivist> well g38 is named Straight Probe
[19:01:11] <ben5446> technically I'm probing in a straight line
[19:01:20] <archivist> I realise that
[19:01:23] <IchGuckLive> this is ok
[19:01:37] <archivist> I think it could be a bug
[19:02:02] <archivist> or g38 needs extending
[19:02:06] <ben5446> who do I contact about fixing bugs?
[19:02:21] <Zaaarin> start a thread on the forum?
[19:02:25] <ben5446> ok
[19:02:50] <IchGuckLive> ben5446: wat version are you on
[19:03:00] <ben5446> 2.5.2
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[19:03:17] <IchGuckLive> i will have a quick look inside the method
[19:03:18] <ben5446> maybe i should update?
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[19:03:40] <IchGuckLive> in your case i woud go 2.6
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[19:09:10] <IchGuckLive> ben5446: http://www.vdwalle.com/Norte/Probe-on-Steroids.txt
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[19:10:17] <IchGuckLive> ben5446: her is the probe vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZGP7zNWq-I
[19:12:10] <ben5446> that code probes downward. Imagine probing the part from the side, but the part is tilted. my program takes the Y movement and calculates the actual movements in Y and Z to compensate for the angle
[19:14:09] <IchGuckLive> the error accures on probe contact
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[19:14:44] <ben5446> my program also calculates the offset caused by the probe tip
[19:15:08] <IchGuckLive> all ok i assume its your ini Geometry seting
[19:15:17] <IchGuckLive> did you go for A XYZ
[19:15:42] <archivist> this is 5 axis not 4
[19:15:44] <IchGuckLive> if only one Rotat it needs to be that way
[19:16:02] <ben5446> actually the B axis doesn't come into play since I leave it at 0 degrees
[19:16:29] <ben5446> my kinematics compensates for the A angle so I have to reverse compensate in my program
[19:16:31] <IchGuckLive> BAXYZ != ABXYZ
[19:17:15] <IchGuckLive> the probe subroutine is fixed on Gememetry settings this is your error
[19:17:36] <archivist> I wonder if you let the kins think you may need less axes in the g38 command
[19:18:24] <ben5446> it shouldn't matter since i rotate the part first, so the probing command only needs X,Y and Z
[19:18:59] <archivist> rotate enough to remove x or y
[19:19:26] <ben5446> the kinematics should treat the A axis rotation the same whether or not I use the X in the probing command.
[19:20:05] <ben5446> the X axis requires no compensation because the B axis is not rotated
[19:22:14] <ben5446> im basically trying to probe the inside of a cylinder rotated about A. If i probe to the 6 ro 12 oclock position it works great. if I try to probe at 11 oclock it gives the error
[19:23:45] <Zaaarin> Any chance I can cut big holes with my dremel trio?
[19:24:01] <Zaaarin> mm at a time?
[19:24:10] <Zaaarin> use it like a compass?
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[19:25:01] <archivist> Zaaarin, if you can get enough bits and have two years to spend on the operation
[19:25:25] <Zaaarin> lol, I take it it'll wear the dremel bits down in no time
[19:25:37] <archivist> cutting metal requires power
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[19:26:28] <archivist> Zaaarin, http://www.custompartnet.com/calculator/milling-horsepower
[19:26:43] <Zaaarin> useful link thanks
[19:26:49] <IchGuckLive> ben5446: sory i need to go
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[19:28:16] <Zaaarin> really handy link, bookmarked!
[19:28:26] <zeeshan|2> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/C3600199-EF6C-476A-B0D0-BC44F593E2D2_zpso42uv675.jpg
[19:28:28] <zeeshan|2> yay
[19:28:32] <zeeshan|2> everything finally mounted
[19:28:43] <zeeshan|2> still gotta make a faraday cage for the vfd
[19:28:48] <zeeshan|2> or maybe ill do that if i have noise issues
[19:29:38] <zeeshan|2> where can i buy a .1875 end mill on a saturday? :p
[19:30:17] <ben5446> try to get lucky with the assortment pack at harbor frieght
[19:30:34] <zeeshan|2> hm
[19:30:42] <zeeshan|2> we got princess auto up here which is like harbor freight
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[19:50:32] <CaptHindsight> How do you break a Harbor Freight tool?
[19:50:39] <s1dev> use it how it was made
[19:50:49] <s1dev> it's chinese, it'll break
[19:50:49] <CaptHindsight> :)
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[19:52:14] <CaptHindsight> i went hand tool shopping in China a few years ago and Stanley was often the top brand..
[19:52:22] <s1dev> lol
[19:52:47] <CaptHindsight> I was at a Home Dept last week doing the same thing while out of town and the top brand was often Stanley
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[19:54:16] <CaptHindsight> Husky and HDX were the others
[19:56:34] <CaptHindsight> I'm not really sure now what to do if I need tools while out of town
[19:56:51] <CaptHindsight> we used to take them as carry-on until the 90's
[19:57:06] <humble_sea_bass> dammit i missed harbor freight tool joke
[19:57:13] <CaptHindsight> I wouldn't trust a case full of tools in checked baggage
[19:57:47] <humble_sea_bass> zeeshan|2: you can buy endmills at grainger
[19:57:52] <CaptHindsight> I guess UPS if you have 2-3 days notice
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[19:58:32] <CaptHindsight> but if you need to fly next/same day and you need tools I guess you're just stuck
[19:58:36] <humble_sea_bass> i spent some time in japan and I was floored when rioby wasn't hot garbage like here
[19:58:57] <humble_sea_bass> like some company bought the name or something for US distro
[19:59:00] <CaptHindsight> I know where to buy tools in Japan
[19:59:09] <CaptHindsight> might be
[20:00:13] <CaptHindsight> humble_sea_bass: where can I go in NYC? or long island?
[20:00:35] <humble_sea_bass> just about any grainger store, it will be crazy inflated price
[20:00:56] <humble_sea_bass> http://www.grainger.com/
[20:00:59] <CaptHindsight> might as well pay for UPS overnight
[20:01:55] <humble_sea_bass> yeah, planning ahead and spares are definitely cheaper, but sometimes you have a project that shits the bed and you gotta get 'er done
[20:02:12] <CaptHindsight> grainger carries Klein
[20:02:20] <CaptHindsight> $30 screwdriver
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[20:02:43] <humble_sea_bass> it has nice rubber coating, does your 10 dollar screw driver have that?
[20:03:13] <humble_sea_bass> sometimes you need a high performance screw driver
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[20:04:19] <CaptHindsight> 10lbs of hand tools cost me $13 to ship
[20:04:42] <CaptHindsight> ... via ground, next day is >$100
[20:08:17] <zeeshan|2> humble_sea_bass: grainger is the last place i'll shop
[20:08:23] <zeeshan|2> for personal use :)
[20:08:38] <CaptHindsight> http://www.grainger.com/product/FACOM-Insulated-Tool-Set-WP29074/_/N-/Ntt-tool%2Cset?sst=subset&s_pp=false
[20:08:43] <humble_sea_bass> do you want your endmill on a saturday afternoon or not?
[20:08:49] <CaptHindsight> $1,277.00 / each
[20:09:11] <humble_sea_bass> it matches my sneakers
[20:10:03] <CaptHindsight> they are as bad at Matco and Snapon
[20:10:10] <CaptHindsight> at/as
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[20:12:39] <CaptHindsight> http://www.walmart.com/ip/21151529?wmlspartner=wlpa&adid=22222222227015499816&wl0=&wl1=g&wl2=c&wl3=41948945830&wl4=&wl5=pla&wl6=40011532390&veh=sem
[20:13:08] <CaptHindsight> Nitrile Coated Glove $3.75 or a 10 pack at HF
[20:13:38] <CaptHindsight> now all your tools are insulated
[20:14:02] <humble_sea_bass> wow, they opened a Fastenal a mile from me, and it just occurred to me to look at their prices
[20:14:12] <humble_sea_bass> and they are crazy reasonable
[20:14:33] <CaptHindsight> a bit high, but not as bad as Grainger
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[20:30:49] <s1dev> so for a lathe CNC conversion, I would need steppers, stepper controllers, controller, power supply, endstops, preferrably ball screws, ball screw nuts, and spindle encoders, correct?
[20:31:45] <Loetmichel> that seems to sum it up
[20:31:48] <mozmck> converting the logan?
[20:32:03] <Loetmichel> if the lathe is small enpugh for steppers
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[20:45:03] <CaptHindsight> http://imagebin.org/297985 http://imagebin.org/297986 not just one axis broken, two breaks!
[20:45:30] <CaptHindsight> trucking co dropped it
[20:47:53] <CaptHindsight> pretty good size SCARA as well with >10kg capacity
[20:48:13] <humble_sea_bass> it was like that when we got it boss
[20:48:44] <CaptHindsight> always check the crate before signing off on deliveries
[20:49:12] <humble_sea_bass> this one got signed for?
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[20:56:49] <CaptHindsight> yeah, they signed first and then unwrapped it later
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[21:23:14] <mcfloppy> hello :)
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[21:30:13] <JT-Shop> 5 o'clock here or close enough\
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[21:50:01] <CaptHindsight> did the clocks go ahead early there?
[22:04:05] <JT-Shop> it's always 5 o'clock somewhere
[22:04:23] <JT-Shop> specially when you just finish a 14k quote
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[22:19:56] <Deejay> gn8
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[22:53:48] <zeeshan|2> PetefromTn_: thanks for the idea
[22:53:49] <zeeshan|2> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/5E547A17-C929-44F2-B55E-DB7F5E03BC3E_zps3cpiqlkh.jpg
[22:53:50] <zeeshan|2> worked out
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[23:00:31] <PetefromTn_> Sure man glad to help ;)
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[23:18:46] <PetefromTn_> hey guys.. Connor here.. trying to compile component for pete.. getting a error not finding several .h files.. stdlib.h
[23:18:56] <PetefromTn_> I have the build-essentials package installed..
[23:19:06] <PetefromTn_> not sure what I'm missing.. I can compile this same setup on my own machine..
[23:19:44] <cradek_> pastebin the full build command, source file, and error output
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[23:20:21] <cradek> there I am
[23:20:24] <PetefromTn_> Just doing the comp --userspace file.comp then comp --compile file.c
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[23:22:17] <s1dev> mozmck yeah, I realized that the compound + replacement gears would run me the same cost as a CNC conversion
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[23:23:40] <Connor_CNC> http://pastebin.com/Dkn6Bw6a
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[23:27:22] <Connor_CNC> cradek: That was the paste from the command
[23:30:27] <cradek> you forgot --userspace?
[23:31:24] <Connor_CNC> no, i did that first
[23:32:31] <Connor_CNC> when I do them together.. I end up with /tmp/tmp48N2ZC/wj200_vfd.comp:124: undefined reference to `modbus_strerror'
[23:32:53] <cradek> ok, that's your real error to solve
[23:32:59] <cradek> pastebin that stuff
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[23:33:29] <s1dev> mozmck: I'm thinking 1200-1600 in-oz NEMA34 steppers can you suggest a controller, stepper controller, and encoder?
[23:33:40] <cradek> wait does this use libmodbus?
[23:33:46] <cradek> I doubt you can build that with comp
[23:34:05] <cradek> what are you doing? did you say it worked on another machine? are you sure?
[23:34:16] <Connor_CNC> http://pastebin.com/MyH6wkvJ
[23:34:31] <s1dev> *stepper drivers
[23:34:36] <Connor_CNC> I did it on my ubuntu 12.04 with sim and got it to compile
[23:34:57] <cradek> I don't see how
[23:35:29] <Connor_CNC> not sure either.. but.. I have a wj200_vfd.so file..
[23:35:38] <cradek> modbus.h comes from libmodbus-dev
[23:35:38] <Connor_CNC> now trying it on his machine.
[23:35:45] <Connor_CNC> yup. it
[23:35:49] <Connor_CNC> it's installed.
[23:35:53] <cradek> bbl, sorry
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[23:40:16] <PetefromTn_> zeeshan|2 You there man?
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[23:46:35] <s1dev> Do I need to get a mesa controller card?