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[01:23:52] <PetefromTn_> Damn it is beautiful out tonight here...
[01:24:03] <jdh> here too. about time.
[01:24:59] <PetefromTn_> agreed..
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[01:25:41] <PetefromTn_> it's freakin' almost 8:30 and I just drove to take back some redbox movies and the thermometer in my car said 68 degrees..
[01:26:38] <jdh> high in knoxville tomorrow is 36f
[01:26:58] <PetefromTn_> yeah I know they were even talkin' about snow...
[01:27:53] <jdh> tomorrow is 70f/25f here.
[01:29:36] <PetefromTn_> I am supposed to be showing my house tomorrow afternoon. Got it all cleaned up and shiny LOL.
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[02:05:02] <zeeshan> jdh
[02:05:06] <zeeshan> lets see who can finish their lathe first
[02:05:07] <zeeshan> :-)
[02:05:10] <zeeshan> competition time!
[02:05:35] <PetefromTn_> My money is on JDH LOL..
[02:05:56] <zeeshan> jdh hasn't done his x axis
[02:05:58] <zeeshan> in years!
[02:06:29] <PetefromTn_> yeah well..
[02:06:31] <jdh> I picked up another 7x the other day. I might do it first.
[02:06:37] <zeeshan> 7x?
[02:06:49] <PetefromTn_> another how many do you have now?
[02:07:10] <jdh> a 9x20, 2 7x12, one clisby
[02:07:18] <PetefromTn_> all CNC?
[02:07:19] <zeeshan> why do you have so many lathes
[02:07:25] <jdh> none cnc
[02:07:29] <zeeshan> ^
[02:07:30] <zeeshan> why!
[02:07:35] <jdh> I like to buy things
[02:07:36] <zeeshan> jdh has a lathe fetish
[02:07:48] <jdh> I'd trade them all for a real lathe
[02:08:08] <zeeshan> =)
[02:08:24] <jdh> http://tinyurl.com/obmorvh
[02:08:31] <PetefromTn_> When I sell my asian to buy that nice commercial CNC lathe you can but it from me..
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[02:08:48] <PetefromTn_> aw how cute...
[02:08:50] <zeeshan> you guys are too hardcore
[02:08:54] <zeeshan> with your big machinery
[02:09:01] <zeeshan> you arent hobbyists!
[02:09:07] <PetefromTn_> who me?
[02:09:11] <zeeshan> yes especially you
[02:09:15] <zeeshan> mr i need a CHNC
[02:09:20] <PetefromTn_> never claimed to be a hobbyist..
[02:09:33] <zeeshan> people like me can do a manual tool change :P
[02:09:42] <zeeshan> i don't need an ATC!
[02:09:47] <PetefromTn_> I'm doin them now...LOL
[02:09:52] <zeeshan> haha damn
[02:10:06] <zeeshan> don't have the mesa card hooked up for tool change i/o?
[02:10:12] <davef> Hey guys, when I go to www.linuxcnc.org, it's all in Italian, can't see any way to set it to display in English.. Whats up /w this?
[02:10:14] <PetefromTn_> some of it not all...
[02:10:19] <zeeshan> davef
[02:10:24] <zeeshan> bottom left corner
[02:10:26] <zeeshan> click english
[02:10:44] <PetefromTn_> it's better in Italian..
[02:10:58] <PetefromTn_> ;)
[02:11:02] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: so i heard back about the matsuura
[02:11:07] <zeeshan> they want $10k for it
[02:11:07] <zeeshan> rofl
[02:11:10] <davef> Oh, thanks. Did the default lang change or somethin? yesterday it displayed in english...
[02:11:10] <PetefromTn_> what matsuura?
[02:11:14] <zeeshan> 510v2
[02:11:31] <PetefromTn_> that's way too much does it run good?
[02:11:54] <davef> anyway, that worked, thx
[02:13:01] <PetefromTn_> They are supposed to be real nice machines tho but the 500 has smallish travels.
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[02:14:28] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: apparently
[02:14:32] <zeeshan> im not paying 10k for a 5k machine
[02:15:01] <zeeshan> with the way things are looking
[02:15:06] <zeeshan> i'm prolly gonna convert the first mill
[02:15:06] <zeeshan> :P
[02:16:03] <zeeshan> davef that website changes lanugages on me for some reason too
[02:16:15] <PetefromTn_> like I said if you are not gonna go for making money just do that..
[02:16:26] <zeeshan> yea
[02:16:29] <zeeshan> its for my personal projects
[02:16:35] <zeeshan> and once in a while doing stuff for someone else
[02:17:00] <zeeshan> i just looked at jdh's 7x12 carefully
[02:17:06] <zeeshan> i was expecting 7" x 12 feet
[02:17:17] <zeeshan> er
[02:17:19] <zeeshan> 7x12"
[02:17:24] <zeeshan> but it looks so tiny.
[02:17:53] <zeeshan> jdh: how much does that weigh?
[02:18:09] <jdh> 50lbs? 60 maybe?
[02:18:18] <PetefromTn_> LOL yeah a 7x12 is a mini lathe 7 INCHES...
[02:18:28] <zeeshan> you thought x axis was a bitch on the bigger lathe
[02:18:32] <zeeshan> imagine doing the x on this one
[02:18:32] <zeeshan> haha
[02:18:42] <jdh> I'll use the existing screw/nut
[02:19:03] <zeeshan> is that a rocker switch under the headstock
[02:19:11] <zeeshan> that's frigging bigger than your z lead screw
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[02:20:02] <humble_sea_bass> i want a god damn lathe, a massive one
[02:20:07] <zeeshan> get a monarch
[02:20:13] <zeeshan> they are bad ass
[02:20:16] <Connor> zeeshan: I have a 7x10! :)
[02:20:32] <zeeshan> connor to make beads for your hair??!
[02:20:39] <zeeshan> tiny
[02:20:46] <humble_sea_bass> i want to make hair beads too
[02:21:37] <zeeshan> i think my burgers are on fire
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[02:24:08] <PetefromTn_> humble_sea_bass You and me both only a slant bed CNC..
[02:25:51] <zeeshan> whats so special about a slant bed
[02:25:53] <zeeshan> i never understood that
[02:26:20] <humble_sea_bass> all sorts of sneaky angles are revealed
[02:26:43] <PetefromTn_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7V57_7H9zw
[02:26:55] <zeeshan> internet says
[02:27:15] <zeeshan> theyre not as rigid as a straight bed
[02:27:34] <PetefromTn_> For one your chips fall away from the part and out of the way of the work and movements.
[02:27:35] <zeeshan> but you get a longer x travel for a smaller footprint
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[02:27:51] <zeeshan> yea but you can easily use coolant to move the chips
[02:28:02] <PetefromTn_> the same reason a Horizontal machining center is really cool over a vertical.
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[02:29:46] <humble_sea_bass> if space is at a premium
[02:30:03] <zeeshan> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bQzZ7zRE70
[02:30:08] <zeeshan> im planning to use a turret like that
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[02:31:29] <PetefromTn_> Looks crashy to me...
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[02:32:53] <PetefromTn_> If I was gonna do a flatbed lathe I would do either a horizontal tool carousel or a gang tool setup most likely.
[02:35:10] <zeeshan> example of gang tool setup?
[02:35:10] <zeeshan> :D
[02:35:37] <jdh> 3 bloods, with shivs
[02:35:46] <zeeshan> lol
[02:35:52] <jdh> and 5 crips with an old revolver
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[02:36:38] <jdh> I just got the other 7x because it was kind of cheap
[02:36:56] <zeeshan> how much did it cost
[02:37:00] <jdh> and a friend was looking for one. If he doesn't want it, I'll see about using the stock screws
[02:37:04] <jdh> $150
[02:37:23] <zeeshan> that is cheap :D
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[02:38:34] <PetefromTn_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fU-tGcQOzMk
[02:39:09] <PetefromTn_> Pretty crashy too actually...
[02:39:22] <zeeshan> wow
[02:39:24] <zeeshan> that looks so rigid
[02:39:35] <zeeshan> and a lot easier to build
[02:40:02] <humble_sea_bass> don't make mistakes
[02:40:07] <humble_sea_bass> is the answer
[02:40:15] <zeeshan> i dont understand why that has 3 coolant nozzles :p
[02:40:24] <zeeshan> coulda kept the hose off the head stock
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[02:40:50] <humble_sea_bass> a lack of faith
[02:40:51] <PetefromTn_> each one can be directed independently to the tool edge.
[02:41:20] <PetefromTn_> Really a horizontal changer setup with a parting off tool rigid mounted would be nice.
[02:41:48] <zeeshan> wait
[02:41:48] <zeeshan> wtf
[02:41:57] <zeeshan> that huge block is attached to a quick change tool post?
[02:41:58] <zeeshan> lol
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[02:43:07] <PetefromTn_> Probably not. It is probably bolted to the cross slide and can be removed to switch to the toolpost.
[02:43:20] <zeeshan> thanks for posting that
[02:43:23] <zeeshan> i didnt know that existed
[02:43:27] <zeeshan> looks bad ass
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[02:57:22] <PetefromTn_> yeah man the gang tooling setup can be pretty nice I think.
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[03:36:41] <CaptHindsight> http://yro.slashdot.org/story/14/03/02/214237/inventor-has-waited-43-years-for-patent-approval
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[03:38:41] <CaptHindsight> "his electronic signal to control machinery "
[03:41:30] <tjtr33> on-off switch or a recording of Bela Lugosi saying "You must obey me!" ?
[03:41:54] <CaptHindsight> I wish they posted the app number
[03:42:00] <CaptHindsight> it might be on PWM
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[03:45:05] <humble_sea_bass> but bella lugosi is dead
[03:47:12] <CaptHindsight> still?
[03:48:37] <humble_sea_bass> according to bauhaus at least
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[03:51:57] <CaptHindsight> that reminds me to watch The Hunger again
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[04:17:36] <pcw_home> Isn't he like the original patent troll
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[05:36:04] <morfic-> Loetmichel: well respect, i am not sure i am ready to touch SMD parts, neat looking amp though
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[06:09:29] <Keknom> Is a bridgeport CNC conversion without changing the lead screws worthwhile? (I have 3 brushed servos, and 3 brushed servo amplifiers I got for free, and access to a smaller CNC mill)
[06:13:57] <CaptHindsight> depends on how long you want it to last, how fast it will go and what shape the current screws are in
[06:14:50] <Keknom> Current screws I have not looked at yet, but mill itself is 8 years old, speed wise I do not care if it goes rapidly.
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[06:14:56] <postaL> anyone else here use cambam?
[06:15:10] <Keknom> I use it for the smaller CNC I have access to
[06:15:41] <Keknom> and would the CNC conversion put more ware on the machine than when its being used manually?
[06:16:19] <Keknom> also the machine in question is a MVM9903
[06:16:19] <Keknom> http://mvmtools.com/mills/mvm9903_mill
[06:16:26] <CaptHindsight> wear is wear, if the screws are moving there is wear
[06:17:06] <CaptHindsight> ware is ware as well
[06:17:25] <Keknom> This mod is mostly tempting due to potentially all I need to purcahse being belts, timing pulley stock, and a CNC controller that would interface with the servo amplifiers
[06:19:26] <CaptHindsight> ballscrews spread the wear more than an acmescrew
[06:20:10] <CaptHindsight> the recirculating balls have more surface area
[06:21:18] <CaptHindsight> you can cnc a leadscrew but just plan on replacing it more often
[06:22:00] <Keknom> ah, would tolerances just be iffy?, or would it not be able to reliably cut circles if lead screw is left in long term?
[06:22:07] <CaptHindsight> but if you use it a few hours a week it will last for years
[06:22:34] <CaptHindsight> depends on the anti-lash nut used
[06:23:19] <CaptHindsight> polymer nuts can be replaced cheaply
[06:24:02] <CaptHindsight> http://www.haydonkerk.com/LinearActuatorProducts/LeadScrewsAndNuts/Nuts/tabid/109/Default.aspx
[06:24:04] <Keknom> also as is it is used probably 1 hour a day at most.. , and probably similar hours would be used unless usage bumps up (is in a robotics club student run machine room)
[06:24:18] <CaptHindsight> http://www.dumpstercnc.com/
[06:24:39] <Keknom> Already seen the dumpster CNC site, how good are their's?
[06:24:59] <CaptHindsight> I use them on light load applications
[06:25:13] <CaptHindsight> 1/2" 10 tpi acme
[06:26:07] <CaptHindsight> http://www.dumpstercnc.com/acme_12101.html
[06:27:24] <Keknom> May go that route then, unless I can find acceptable ball screw for 500-600 USD
[06:28:11] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bridgeport-Milling-Machine-Parts-CNC-Ballscrew-from-Y-Axis-23-x1-25-/130861444399?pt=BI_Heavy_Equipment_Parts&hash=item1e77f32d2f
[06:29:43] <Keknom> Is doable then, also read on a few forums, manual machining with ball screws is irritating due to needing to lock each axis, but some others claimed friction/resistance from servos and pulley set up should be enough to not need to lock axi
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[06:33:43] <CaptHindsight> people here do it all the time with ballscrews
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[06:34:14] <CaptHindsight> maybe they are irritated by the different feel
[06:35:32] <CaptHindsight> but when you run the numbers comparing using ball vs lead count your time and effort to replace the nuts
[06:36:14] <Keknom> I am a college student , so my time is pretty cheap lol
[06:38:30] <Keknom> and I'll probably be doing this conversion next year, unless a cheap boss mill, or CNC mill shows up on craigslist in Pittsburgh or Cleveland
[06:41:46] <CaptHindsight> you're in the right area
[06:42:17] <Keknom> yeah, one advantage of being in a former industrial city/having friends and reasons to travel to a dieing industrial city
[06:43:16] <Keknom> hell, may even be going near detroit if my team makes it to an event there
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[07:48:09] <Deejay> moin
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[13:02:21] <qingpei> hi all
[13:02:40] <qingpei> anyone know the error like "linuxcnc/libexec/rtapi_msgd: FATAL - will not run as root"
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[13:29:05] <jdh> qingpei: it looks like it might have been fixed in linuxcnc/libexec/rtapi_msgd: FATAL -
[13:29:18] <jdh> Version: 1:2.6.0~pre~zultron.ubc3.dev~6775979
[13:29:54] <qingpei> hi jdh may i know which branch it is?
[13:30:41] <jdh> no idea - from the buildbot logs: http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/~buildmaster/dists/wheezy/scratch-rtpreempt/binary-amd64/linuxcnc_2.6.0~pre~zultron.ubc3.dev~6775979_amd64.changes
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[13:47:07] <PetefromTn_> mornin' folks..
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[14:01:51] <PetefromTn_> Well I think I got a cool design for this part I am working on. Only problem is it is gonna be a beotch to machine it. That's the bad part about 3d cad, you can draw ANYTHING you want but you forget that when you are done you gotta be able to make it LOL
[14:02:53] <Jymmm> That'sjust a Happy Challenge is all
[14:07:37] <PetefromTn_> yeah it is but it can be overwhelming too... I am gonna need to make some real THICK sacrificial jaws I think.
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[14:13:02] <JT-Shop> morning from the winter wonderland in Swamp East Missouri where it is all white today
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[14:15:40] <PetefromTn_> We're supposed to turn white here later on apparently. OVER IT!!
[14:16:20] <Jymmm> Michael?
[14:16:49] <Jymmm> And it's BEAT IT, not OVER IT.
[14:17:56] <Jymmm> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ym0hZG-zNOk
[14:19:40] <PetefromTn_> Jymmm Dude you must be smokin' some good schtuff this morning LOL...
[14:20:01] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Why's that?
[14:21:20] <Jymmm> You did say turn white later on, and MJ doens't look too white yet in the Beat It video
[14:21:23] <PetefromTn_> Michael Jackson vids?
[14:22:02] <PetefromTn_> Oh my bad I missed the whole black to white reference hehehe
[14:23:17] <Jymmm> Compare BEAT IT video to this one... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H68ik5DtBpM
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[14:27:03] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Maybe you are just smoking some of that homechoke and it's messin with ya! ;)
[14:27:25] <PetefromTn_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3-f6_E0Lvo
[14:28:51] <PetefromTn_> ;)
[14:29:04] <PetefromTn_> Hhhmmm Mebbe..
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[14:51:47] <Gamma-X> Hey if someone want to make me a digitier ill barter for it! :D
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[14:53:50] <PetefromTn_> I want a digitizer or spindle probe but have yet to find a decent set of plans to make one.
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[14:54:50] <CHNCguy> Hey Hey! :)
[14:55:13] <CHNCguy> Petefromtn_ are you in buddy?
[14:55:21] <CHNCguy> be right back
[14:55:21] <Gamma-X> chnc guy... im assuming you have a hardinge! Is it a chucker or a gang style?
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[14:55:33] <PetefromTn_> CHNCguy Yeah man whazzup!
[14:55:38] <CHNCguy> SUP! :)
[14:55:47] <CHNCguy> Its a chuck and tool changer 8 pos
[14:55:59] <Gamma-X> gotcha
[14:56:04] <CHNCguy> hey pete i got that milacron 750! for like free LOL
[14:56:23] <CHNCguy> But do you have any notes on your conversion for your 500?
[14:56:24] <PetefromTn_> Aw ya bastard... Lucky guy!!
[14:56:28] <CHNCguy> LOL
[14:56:51] <CHNCguy> I am assuming I can use most of the info you have on your machine to do mine, ill pay you for your time if needed ;D
[14:57:00] <PetefromTn_> Yeah I got some notes but like I said I gutted the whole machine so not sure it would help ya.
[14:57:13] <CHNCguy> Did you use the old drives and motors?
[14:57:22] <CHNCguy> Spindle drive?
[14:57:23] <PetefromTn_> I got brand new motors and drives after I sold the old stuff..
[14:57:35] <PetefromTn_> New spindle drive Hitachi Sensorless Vector.
[14:57:42] <CHNCguy> How much did ya get for the drives and motors?
[14:57:59] <PetefromTn_> enough to pay for all the new stuff...
[14:58:12] <CHNCguy> nice...
[14:58:33] <CHNCguy> whats ur rapids at?
[14:59:03] <PetefromTn_> I can get them to like 650-700 but it scares the shit outta me so they are set slow... LOL
[14:59:54] <CHNCguy> lol I know how that feels. I am hoping to reuse all the old stuff, the motion control board died.
[15:00:26] <CHNCguy> How did you get the tool changer to work? Was it logic?
[15:00:38] <PetefromTn_> You can certainly do that but when I got my machine the Z drive was blown and I paid to fix it then the Y drive went like a month later. Repairs with warrantee was like a grand or more.
[15:01:04] <CHNCguy> dang, might just sell all the old drives and motors and get new ones...
[15:01:08] <PetefromTn_> I bought a brand new motor and driver for one axis for less than that.
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[15:01:34] <PetefromTn_> If one fails replacements are like a couple hundred instead of a grand each..
[15:01:35] <CHNCguy> I am gonna retrofit a TREE vmc in a few weeks but I am unsure how to tackle the retrofit,
[15:01:51] <CHNCguy> I am going to use a 5i25, with 7i77, but will this be enough for all the functions?
[15:01:54] <PetefromTn_> CHNCguy Have not gotten to the toolchanger yet still working on spindle feedback.
[15:02:16] <CHNCguy> ahhh ya thats the tricky part
[15:02:23] <PetefromTn_> That is what I am using and I do not think I will need more at this point. Besides adding another daughter card is easy.
[15:02:42] <PetefromTn_> Yeah I know. Switching the spindle drive to modbus control currently working on that.
[15:03:13] <CHNCguy> true but what concerns me is all the hal logic and hal files....know anyone that could step by step me through it? I am willing to pay for phone support
[15:03:59] <PetefromTn_> CHNCguy Honestly man you are in the right place right here.. These guys know this stuff better than anyone I have seen anywhere.
[15:04:23] <PetefromTn_> I would be happy to help you when I can but from the sounds of it you have more experience than I do...
[15:05:13] <PetefromTn_> The Hal is just Hardware Abstract Layer and is where you setup all the inputs and outputs. There are several ways to accomplish the toolchanger logic including classic ladder and others.
[15:05:36] <CHNCguy> got a link to an example classic ladder and how to set one up?
[15:05:57] <PetefromTn_> There are also examples of already completed setups in the software you can look at and even run in simulation to see how it works.
[15:06:22] <CHNCguy> where would they be?
[15:06:28] <PetefromTn_> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/ladder/classic_ladder.html
[15:06:38] <PetefromTn_> Those examples are actually in linuxCNC..
[15:07:03] <PetefromTn_> When you download the disk installer they are included in there and you can look at them without even having a machine.
[15:07:47] <PetefromTn_> Like I said I have not gotten that far yet so I am of little help with the setup but many folks say it is not all that difficult.
[15:08:25] <PetefromTn_> Nice thing about LinuxCNC is that you have the IRC for asking questions on as well as anything you can think of just do a google search and someone has probably done it before..
[15:08:27] <CHNCguy> I appreciate your help ;)
[15:08:41] <PetefromTn_> Sure man dunno how much help I was but anytime.
[15:09:19] <PetefromTn_> Honestly I would love to talk to someone who has a Cincinatti like mine about doing the toolchanger it would be nice to collaborate on it because that is the most complex part for me.
[15:10:00] <PetefromTn_> There is another fellow who has an Arrow 500 names Les who lives in England. He has his working altho he did it kinda differently.
[15:10:35] <PetefromTn_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSXR3FsN0EE
[15:11:21] <humble_sea_bass> the funny thing about linux cnc is that someone will claim they have done it and completely omit how they did it
[15:11:24] <humble_sea_bass> gg wiki
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[15:12:16] <PetefromTn_> really? From my limited experience most have been quite helpful. THat guy Lee sent me his files from his machine to look at. He was very helpful.
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[15:13:21] <humble_sea_bass> I don't discount the peer to peer assistance, i'm just saying that the wiki needs love
[15:13:32] <PetefromTn_> Oh yeah that is true.
[15:13:46] <humble_sea_bass> because looking through endless forum posts and mailinglists is suboptimal
[15:15:10] <PetefromTn_> at least you can search those tho..
[15:16:36] <CHNCguy> hey peet can u send me lees stuff?
[15:17:16] <CHNCguy> pete*
[15:17:18] <PetefromTn_> sure gotta find it in my schtuff tho..
[15:17:42] <CHNCguy> haha I appreciate it
[15:18:13] <PetefromTn_> You're in FLorida right?
[15:18:27] <CHNCguy> yup
[15:18:49] <PetefromTn_> Lucky... we are about to be back to freezin' our asses off again.
[15:19:22] <CHNCguy> lol im in my shorts....
[15:19:46] <PetefromTn_> Cross your fingers for me man I got someone coming to look at my house today. If it sells I will be haulin' my junk down there and I can shake hands with you in person LOL...
[15:20:08] <PetefromTn_> shorts...jeez....what are those?
[15:20:09] <CHNCguy> sounds good!
[15:20:24] <CHNCguy> Where ya moving to in florida?
[15:20:32] <PetefromTn_> I'm a tank top and flip flops kinda guy..
[15:20:50] <CHNCguy> flip flops are awesome!
[15:21:03] <PetefromTn_> Well if the house sells we will probably go back down to Port St. Lucie area where we used to live.
[15:21:14] <CHNCguy> sounds great
[15:21:28] <PetefromTn_> yeah just crossin' fingers here man. ;)
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[15:21:47] * CHNCguy gonna go work on the shop, in shorts!
[15:21:53] <PetefromTn_> We actually took the house off the market after realtors had it for almost six months.
[15:21:54] <CHNCguy> Be back later guys ;)
[15:22:04] <PetefromTn_> Cya man.. I will try to get that to you here.
[15:22:08] <Gamma-X> Im moving to ny in a month :(
[15:22:11] <CHNCguy> good luck with the sale!
[15:22:18] <PetefromTn_> thanks man.
[15:22:20] <CHNCguy> thanks pete!
[15:22:28] <CHNCguy> We will get the toolchanger done together :)
[15:22:41] <PetefromTn_> AWESOME!! Man would I love to see that happen soon.
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[15:25:55] <Gamma-X> my full auto BB gun comes in today!
[15:28:19] <PetefromTn_> Oh another airgunner!!
[15:28:43] <PetefromTn_> what are you getting a DRozd?
[15:28:52] <Gamma-X> lol
[15:28:54] <Gamma-X> yup
[15:29:00] <PetefromTn_> those are fun..
[15:29:01] <Gamma-X> 220 bucks refurbished!
[15:29:10] <Gamma-X> got a scuba tank im gonna hook it up to.
[15:29:22] <Gamma-X> ordered new barrel for it and new motor. etc.
[15:29:26] <PetefromTn_> I was shooting my scratch built PCP pistol with my daughter yesterday afternoon across the shop.
[15:29:40] <PetefromTn_> Nice.
[15:29:53] <Jymmm> DONT DO DRUGS
[15:29:54] <PetefromTn_> I got one of those 4500psi firefighter tanks here.
[15:30:09] <Gamma-X> I need a cheap refulator for it though
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[15:30:19] <Gamma-X> something to bring it down to between 1200 and 1600 psi..
[15:33:07] <PetefromTn_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nx12w1DnFNA
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[15:36:59] <Gamma-X> dude needs a motor on that thing.
[15:42:03] <PetefromTn_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9i-Eht5-JSQ ya mean like this..
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[15:53:00] <Gamma-X> lol
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[16:18:53] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[16:23:26] <IchGuckLive> many postings over night the log says all american cnc folks !
[16:24:32] <IchGuckLive> http://s.glbimg.com/jo/g1/f/original/2014/03/03/frame.jpg
[16:24:34] <humble_sea_bass> wut
[16:24:44] <IchGuckLive> someone had the wrong alculations i guess
[16:25:16] <IchGuckLive> some inches to high but the concrede Fotoshoot did a nice cut
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[16:39:20] <IchGuckLive> to be continout later on !
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[17:09:29] <marmite> https://www.dropbox.com/s/vo8w4ymql6zlsi5/Assembly1.jpg what do you guys think, should this work for a pcb holding device for my table
[17:10:33] <skunkworks> I have not had good luck holding from the edge...
[17:10:53] <skunkworks> I use vacumm others have used double sided carpet tape
[17:11:15] <marmite> ah
[17:11:28] <Gamma-X> I would deffinately use vacuum.
[17:11:48] <Jymmm> If you want to edge clamp, use a beveled edge
[17:11:52] <Gamma-X> can have a raised corner for alighment and would be fairly easy to make.
[17:11:58] <PetefromTn_> Lots of folks use the carpet tape..
[17:12:34] <PetefromTn_> I have used it to engrave plastics and 1/4 inch aluminum before with good results.
[17:12:37] <marmite> what edge should be beveled?
[17:12:53] <Jymmm> marmite: The clamping edge...
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[17:13:36] <Jymmm> -------
[17:13:36] <Jymmm> | / Material goes here
[17:13:36] <Jymmm> ----
[17:13:48] <CaptHindsight> http://www.eurocircuits.com/images/stories/ec09/fiducials%20and%20tooling%20holes.png
[17:14:57] <CaptHindsight> make them with break aways https://www.goldphoenixpcb.com/upload/userfiles/images/20120509_044226.jpg
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[17:16:15] <marmite> https://www.dropbox.com/s/bowwhz265wc00n3/bordet.jpg this edges?
[17:17:04] <Jymmm> I dont know what that is
[17:17:09] <marmite> :D
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[17:17:27] <Jymmm> is that a fixture?
[17:19:19] <marmite> https://www.dropbox.com/s/x6mf7cpam4r9csk/h%C3%A5llarn2.jpg did you meen like this
[17:19:53] <Jymmm> marmite: No, I gave an example above.
[17:20:02] <marmite> well i dident really understand it :D
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[17:23:29] <marmite> https://www.dropbox.com/s/jd1ez2w3ew3i7la/bordet2.jpg maby you ment this ? :D
[17:23:58] <Connor> marmite: Yea, I'm not sure what edge he's talking about either...
[17:24:18] <PetefromTn_> I think he is talking about the edge on the clamp face
[17:25:04] <Connor> I had issues with PCB Milling..
[17:25:22] <PetefromTn_> so it kinda pushes and holds down at the same time on the edge of the board.
[17:25:22] <Connor> it's a PITA to get it perfectly flat.
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[17:26:52] <marmite> https://www.dropbox.com/s/dnx4ugyvr5q0bx8/h%C3%A5llare_pcb.rar here are ipt files if sombody wanted them :D
[17:26:54] <Jymmm> What PetefromTn_ said.
[17:27:37] <Jymmm> marmite: stop torrenting all that pirate warez!
[17:29:36] <Jymmm> lol
[17:31:53] <marmite> :D
[17:32:12] <marmite> https://www.dropbox.com/s/0ndvzzmbw0n1ig8/h%C3%A5llarn3.jpg did you meen like this? :D
[17:32:28] <marmite> or am i bearing reetarded today :D
[17:33:04] <Jymmm> less the lip, correct.
[17:34:13] <Connor> Jymmm: I think the lip is needed since the board is going into a pocketed fixture.
[17:34:43] <marmite> the lip is 1mm
[17:34:54] <Jymmm> NFC, he hasn't said if it's a fixture, even though I asked.
[17:35:14] <marmite> iam gonna mount that piece on my work table
[17:35:16] <Jymmm> -----------/
[17:35:17] <Jymmm> | / Material goes here
[17:35:17] <Jymmm> ---------/
[17:35:18] <Jymmm> ------- work surface------------
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[17:36:39] <Connor> marmite: I used a similar fixture.. only issue is, you can never guarantee that the PCB will be the same exactly size.
[17:36:56] <marmite> ah well that aint to mutch of a bother for mee
[17:36:59] <Connor> it could be off a few .001" in size..
[17:37:12] <marmite> thats ok for me
[17:37:13] <Connor> which cold cause it to slide around..
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[18:00:19] <IchGuckLive> marmite: wy dident you simply mill your own plate for the pcb holddown in Moellplastics
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[18:01:20] <IchGuckLive> marmite: are you doing only prototypes or small series
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[18:16:02] <marmite> this is for my self only IchGuckLive
[18:16:15] <marmite> iam gonna mill this out of mdf
[18:16:18] <marmite> and the clamps i dont know yet
[18:17:05] <IchGuckLive> use holes inside if ypou got one
[18:17:30] <IchGuckLive> http://foengarage.de/pcb.jpg
[18:17:32] <Connor> Heck.. just make it a vacuum then.. and, yea.. you'll need to do holes in the corners..
[18:17:33] <marmite> holes ? where
[18:19:04] <Connor> make a vacuum plate.. drill bunch of holes in the pocket area.. all the way through.. mill out a 2nd plate as a chamber.. glue together.. seal the sides... and draw a vacuum.
[18:20:12] <marmite> good idea indeed
[18:20:44] <Connor> You'll need holes in the corners of your fixture because the pcb corners are right angles, and you can't do a inside right angle.
[18:20:45] <marmite> dont have any material for it thoe
[18:21:03] <Connor> You can make it out of MDF.
[18:21:04] <marmite> ah
[18:21:11] <marmite> well i have onyl 20mm mdf
[18:21:12] <marmite> :D
[18:21:17] <marmite> would be alittle to thick
[18:21:49] <Connor> How much Z you have ?
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[18:22:14] <Connor> and you probably wouldn't want to use this to drill on..
[18:22:47] <marmite> how come?
[18:22:58] <marmite> z is around 60
[18:23:03] <Connor> Would loose vacuum.
[18:24:00] <Connor> Wow, not much Z... I have 4.5" with 6" clearance.
[18:24:15] <marmite> ahyeah my mount is a little problem there
[18:24:20] <Connor> and can adjust the router higher or lower..
[18:24:36] <marmite> its temporery
[18:25:13] <Connor> Could always face off one side of MDF..
[18:25:27] <marmite> https://twitter.com/mirmite/status/439874231904780288/photo/1
[18:25:30] <marmite> current mount
[18:25:47] <marmite> not alot of clerence there :D
[18:25:52] <Connor> You need to keep factory side on bottom of the vacuum plate as it's already sealed..
[18:27:27] <Connor> What part moves up ?
[18:27:53] <marmite> https://www.dropbox.com/s/1enfdtkm1eeqjsq/Photo%202014-02-27%2015%2027%2006.jpg this part
[18:28:37] <Connor> So, the whole Z is almost touching the spoil board ?
[18:28:44] <marmite> allmost
[18:28:48] <marmite> but that is at 60mm
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[18:29:36] <Connor> Well.. I mean.. I'm seeing the bottom plate, that holds the rods and I guess the screw.. look like maybe 5mm above the spoil board
[18:29:49] <marmite> something like that
[18:29:58] <Connor> So, You have NO clearance...
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[18:30:13] <Connor> How big is your work envelope?
[18:30:21] <marmite> well if i remove the old table that i have used for holding things i would have plenty
[18:30:38] <marmite> seing that that is allmost 55 mm of mdf and so on
[18:30:44] <marmite> the new holder will be around 20
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[18:33:06] <Connor> http://www.ivdc.com/cnc/IMG_0520.MOV
[18:33:10] <Connor> http://www.ivdc.com/cnc/IMG_0522.MOV
[18:34:23] <Connor> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCNPz1ULUHI
[18:34:57] <Connor> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdgN8r0tUzQ
[18:35:05] <Connor> on youtube vs downloading from my server..
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[18:40:39] <zeeshan> this is what i call a drill press.
[18:40:40] <zeeshan> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Kovosvit-Drillpress-/161157218326?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item2585b80016
[18:40:41] <zeeshan> :)
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[18:43:16] <jdh> not much of a quill for all that mass.
[18:43:28] <_methods> small radial
[18:44:13] <zeeshan> hehe
[18:44:28] <zeeshan> have anyone bought something from a pawn shop?
[18:44:34] <zeeshan> i never have
[18:44:42] <zeeshan> but i found a drill press im interested in (its bigger than mine)
[18:44:45] <zeeshan> he's got it on for 279
[18:44:51] <_methods> http://www.gaec.com/images2/k13418b.jpg
[18:44:51] <marmite> oh i see
[18:44:55] <zeeshan> i wanna bring him down to 230
[18:44:56] <_methods> theres a big 'un
[18:45:12] <marmite> https://www.dropbox.com/s/ah741wjofjnzn2g/top.jpg https://www.dropbox.com/s/jo5o9d315vjgixm/bottom.jpg but alittle more refined should work
[18:45:17] <marmite> would only be around 10mm
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[18:47:39] <jdh> I've stopped in a few pawnshops looking for tooling. Everything I saw was absurdly priced so I assume it was massively negotiable. Never tried though.
[18:48:23] <PetefromTn_> I have bought lots of tools from pawn shops. Usually get smokin' deals on them.
[18:48:25] <Connor> marmite: Remeber.. Finished / factor side, on bottom and top.. and you MUST seal the sides.. as MDF is porous on it's own..
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[18:48:39] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: can you negotiate prices there?
[18:48:45] <marmite> ah yes
[18:48:48] <jdh> Pete: any relationship to their stickered prices?
[18:48:51] <marmite> woodglue should seal good
[18:48:53] <PetefromTn_> I thought that is what pawn shops were all about...
[18:48:58] <marmite> and alittle silicon for the extra
[18:49:00] <zeeshan> this will be my first pawn shop buy
[18:49:00] <zeeshan> lol
[18:49:03] <PetefromTn_> Usually quite a bit less..
[18:49:06] <zeeshan> my drill press weighs 100lb
[18:49:07] <CaptHindsight> same here, I got ~40 R8 collets for ~$150
[18:49:10] <zeeshan> this one weighs 250lb
[18:49:14] <Connor> zeeshan: Worse that would happen is they say no.
[18:49:22] <IchGuckLive> zeeshan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLxrMKZSnLmO9vnsfptnnv2bM6SrejTrXO 2.500
[18:49:30] <zeeshan> well i've never negotiated in an actual store before
[18:49:34] <zeeshan> so i thought i'd ask
[18:49:36] <PetefromTn_> I bought a Milwaukee heavy duty sawsall for $30.00 a bit ago.
[18:49:37] <zeeshan> and not be rude lol
[18:49:45] <CaptHindsight> punch in the gut + no would be worse, but i doubt that would happen
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[18:50:03] <PetefromTn_> I also bought a nice Craftsman 1.5 HP wood router for $30.00 too...
[18:50:09] <zeeshan> thats a good deal
[18:50:21] <zeeshan> the question is what was their original sticker price :P
[18:50:25] <PetefromTn_> yeah the sawzall new is like $170.00..
[18:50:36] <PetefromTn_> I think it was like $70.00 or so?
[18:50:37] <IchGuckLive> PetefromTn_: you are the buyers king
[18:50:44] <zeeshan> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/King-Canada-Tools-KC-118FC-16-SPEED-17-FLOOR-MODEL-DRILL-PRESS-12-5amp-motor-/180592861738?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item2a0c2c622a
[18:50:48] <zeeshan> this is the same drill press they are selling
[18:50:55] <PetefromTn_> Hey man when you don't have money you gotta keep all you can LOL..
[18:50:58] <zeeshan> but usually this drill press goes on sale for 359 and theyre selling for 279
[18:51:02] <zeeshan> it looks brand new
[18:51:17] <CaptHindsight> Chicago used to have a big outdoor swapmeet where you could always find power tools for cheap, some didn't even have peoples names engraved into them
[18:51:17] <Connor> I watch pawn stars.. I almost always guess correctly what the pawn guys will buy something at..
[18:51:21] <PetefromTn_> You can buy those chinese drill presses for like $200.00 easily.
[18:51:41] <zeeshan> the one i have is this one:
[18:51:44] <zeeshan> http://www.princessauto.com/pal/en/Drill-Presses/16-Speed-3-4-HP-Floor-Drill-Press/3462090.p
[18:51:53] <zeeshan> but when i saw the shear size of that king one, i was in love
[18:51:54] <zeeshan> :)
[18:51:56] <PetefromTn_> I would check your local craigslist and buy a nicer one for the same or less money.
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[18:52:02] <zeeshan> PetefromTn_: i've looked
[18:52:08] <zeeshan> i only find tiny ass deltas
[18:52:10] <Connor> same with American Restoration and Rick's price to restore something..
[18:52:12] <zeeshan> or a shitty old beaver
[18:52:18] <zeeshan> thats rusted to hell
[18:52:24] <jdh> you watch too much teevee!
[18:52:42] <zeeshan> pete i was thinking of offering this pawn shop 230
[18:52:47] <zeeshan> if they accept i pick and go!
[18:52:47] <zeeshan> :P
[18:52:49] <PetefromTn_> I had a larger delta for awhile and like an asshole I sold it for something else.
[18:53:03] <PetefromTn_> Offer them $200.00..
[18:53:11] <zeeshan> but even though this drill press is like chinese
[18:53:17] <zeeshan> its very well built
[18:53:17] <Connor> offer half.. and work your way up..
[18:53:23] <zeeshan> Connor: hahah
[18:53:31] <zeeshan> okay ill offer 200
[18:53:41] <Connor> I'm being serious..
[18:53:51] <Connor> Offer half.. and work your way up..
[18:54:18] <Connor> If you get to like 3rd offer and they still haven't accepted.. ask them what they're bottom dollar price is..
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[18:54:52] <CaptHindsight> people rarely get offended at lowball offers and get ugly, they usually come back with a counter-offer or laugh
[18:55:06] <zeeshan> i don't like to low ball
[18:55:07] <zeeshan> :P
[18:55:23] <jdh> why not
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[18:55:25] <zeeshan> but i think half for a drill press is pretty reasonable to start with
[18:55:33] <Connor> You sound like my wife.. she Hates negotiating..
[18:55:40] <zeeshan> connor
[18:55:43] <Connor> I was offered $5000.00 for a domain once...
[18:55:45] <zeeshan> omg you gave me an excellent idea.
[18:55:46] <zeeshan> MY GF.
[18:55:47] <zeeshan> LOL
[18:55:51] <Connor> she said take it..
[18:55:53] <zeeshan> she's monster at negotiating
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[18:56:09] <qingpei> anyone can help me to take a look at http://pastebin.ca/2650635
[18:56:10] <Connor> I said NO.. I ended up getting $20,000.00
[18:56:11] <jdh> jpegs?
[18:56:22] <zeeshan> lol jdh
[18:58:14] <zeeshan> 2 people i know that are awesome negotiaters
[18:58:14] <IchGuckLive> gingpei restart the pc
[18:58:17] <zeeshan> my dad and my gf
[18:58:28] <Connor> zeeshan: The Key is.. Don't be a PEST about it.. I.E. if you offer half.. don't go up by just $5.00..
[18:58:44] <jdh> qingpei: anything in dmesg?
[18:58:50] <IchGuckLive> qingpei: its a startup failue
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[18:59:41] <qingpei> not much in dmesg
[19:00:03] <jdh> do you need to run a dev version?
[19:00:03] <qingpei> IchGuckLive: yes, it's a startup failure
[19:00:28] <Connor> So, they want 279, Start off with.. 140, then 175, 210
[19:00:31] <qingpei> i use the unified-build-candidate-3 branch
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[19:01:26] <IchGuckLive> qingpei: do "cat /etc/*release and "uname -r in terminal plese
[19:01:43] <IchGuckLive> post the output here
[19:01:55] <qingpei> Linux Cubie2 3.4.61-rt77+ #3 SMP PREEMPT RT Wed Feb 26 23:34:24 CST 2014 armv7l GNU/Linux
[19:02:23] <qingpei> that's uname -r "3.4.61-rt77+"
[19:02:42] <IchGuckLive> Thanks
[19:03:42] <qingpei> does /etc/*release still needed?
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[19:05:22] <IchGuckLive> no its cubi2
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[19:05:43] <IchGuckLive> hal is not accesed
[19:05:53] <IchGuckLive> did you restart after compiling it
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[19:06:47] <qingpei> IchGuckLive: not yet after compiling, should I?
[19:06:49] <IchGuckLive> there is no simlink to youzr core hal file
[19:06:58] <IchGuckLive> yes you need to
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[19:12:14] <qingpei> IchGuckLive: no change
[19:12:24] <qingpei> the same as before
[19:12:50] <IchGuckLive> most use xenomai insted of RTAi
[19:13:09] <marmite> https://www.dropbox.com/s/h8nv23s4hexe6db/1.jpg https://www.dropbox.com/s/gk7k3yo49y5zskp/2.jpg
[19:14:01] <IchGuckLive> qingpei: the simlink to the core_hal is missing so it is not find in your config
[19:14:41] <IchGuckLive> im off till tomorrow sorry late here in germany
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[19:15:18] <marmite> maby this should work
[19:15:35] <marmite> do i need any clamp atal with vauum? :D
[19:16:35] <Jymmm> Why are all these things recessed?
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[19:23:03] <PetefromTn_> I think he is going to try to capture the board in the recess...
[19:23:34] <marmite> dont really understand what you guys mean :D
[19:24:37] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: Yeah, but 1) it's gonna wear down, and 3. the corners need to be removed in cause of a slight burr; it'll fuck up the alignment.
[19:24:46] <PetefromTn_> You do not need a clamp with vacuum unless you intend to perforate the board which will cause loss of suction. Honestly even if you do and you can capture the board inside the pocket drilling last will not be a problem as the cutting forces will be straight down.
[19:24:49] <Jymmm> 3-1
[19:25:47] <PetefromTn_> what is gonna wear down?
[19:25:55] <marmite> ok, so are there any modifications i need to do on the table
[19:26:14] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: The "alignment edge" after months/years of abrasion.
[19:26:19] <PetefromTn_> I had to leave to pickup my kids from school early so I missed some stuff I am sure.
[19:26:23] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: hi/lo spots, etc
[19:26:34] <PetefromTn_> I thought he was only making one or two?
[19:27:01] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: hardened pins, or a hard straigh edge that doesn't warp easily would be better.
[19:27:09] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: NFC
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[19:27:36] <PetefromTn_> sure if there is to be any production but I was under the impression this was a hobby router making a one off board or so...
[19:27:47] <marmite> it is a hobby router
[19:28:21] <Jymmm> PetefromTn_: one off is what carpet tape is for, not vac holddown.
[19:28:43] <PetefromTn_> yeah but if you make a vacuum plate you can use it for all sorts of schtuff..
[19:29:04] <Jymmm> then its not one off
[19:29:17] <PetefromTn_> Hell I need to make one...
[19:29:30] <marmite> well you can have my files :D
[19:29:40] <marmite> :P
[19:29:47] <PetefromTn_> Thanks but I doubt it would be what I need for my VMC...
[19:30:07] <marmite> pretty sure it aint
[19:31:02] <PetefromTn_> A small vacuum plate with a hardened straight edge or alignment pins like Jymm is saying is real nice to have tho. You can use it for all kinda things.
[19:31:41] <marmite> will i need anyting of gasket of anykind on the table, or is pcb enough?
[19:31:58] <marmite> hmm alignment pins would be handy
[19:32:20] <marmite> well an idea would be to use two of the holes of the table itseelf as alignment
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[19:35:09] <PetefromTn_> You can buy o-ring material in lengths that works for it, you can also use backer rod stuff you can buy at home depot.
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[19:36:51] <Jymmm> backer rod?
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[19:44:17] <PetefromTn_> http://reviews.homedepot.com/1999/202066515/md-building-products-1-2-in-x-20-ft-caulk-backer-rod-reviews/reviews.htm
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[19:52:24] <marmite> aint it hard to align the pcb with thoes kind of gaskets
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[19:57:41] <PetefromTn_> what does the gasket have to do with alignment?
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[20:13:39] <Gamma-X> marmite, why not just make a piece of aluminum to hold the pcb in a contant area...
[20:14:05] <Gamma-X> make 1 corners raised up to "catch" the pbc,
[20:19:18] <Connor> marmite: PCB should be enough along without need of a gasket
[20:22:29] <jdh> does milling PCBs ever work out well enough to warrant doing it?
[20:22:57] <Connor> For some people.. yes..
[20:23:03] <Connor> just depends on the board..
[20:23:13] <Connor> and production quantity..
[20:23:24] <jdh> someday I will... That's why I got my first CNC thing.
[20:23:27] <Connor> I would say 1 off's and prototpes.. yes.
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[20:24:31] <jdh> have you used your router lately?
[20:25:16] <Connor> No. :( I just opened up the lid to find my gas springs died.. Didn't realize you can't mount them horizontally..
[20:25:54] <jdh> you can't?
[20:26:13] <Connor> No. The gas leaks out.
[20:26:33] <Connor> http://www.indgassprings.com/mounting-instructions.html
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[20:26:37] <Connor> explains why.
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[20:27:13] <CaptHindsight> the oil seal goes away when horizontal
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[20:27:36] <Connor> http://www.ivdc.com/cnc/cnc8.jpg
[20:28:00] <Connor> and see where mine are? when it closes, they're horizontal.
[20:28:25] <CaptHindsight> just flip the router 90 deg
[20:28:37] <Connor> Ha.
[20:28:51] <jdh> or get fully dampened cylinders
[20:28:58] <jdh> never knew that though
[20:29:15] <Connor> Fully dampend is what I'll have to do.. but, they're more expensive..
[20:29:42] <Connor> and, I wonder how much slower it will raise lower..
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[20:39:06] <jdh> put a screw drive on it
[20:39:23] <Connor> Ha Ha.
[20:39:50] <andypugh> Electric tailgate struts :-)
[20:40:08] <andypugh> (Actually, there has to be a use for those in CNC)
[20:40:58] <DaViruz> opening and closing the enclosure?
[20:41:00] <jdh> I had to replace my gas cylinders on my auto-liftgate yukon a few weeks ago. It kept slowly drooping and hitting me on the head.
[20:41:16] <andypugh> http://youtu.be/iB-nkGvp1so
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[20:46:52] <humble_sea_bass> i'm kind of excited that ford started making cars ppl want again
[20:47:17] <andypugh> They do?
[20:47:29] <humble_sea_bass> the fiesta is a fun car
[20:47:45] <andypugh> I can't really see the Mustang doing well in Europe.
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[20:47:59] <humble_sea_bass> and there is another family hatchback that is supposed to be real nice. my neighbors bought one
[20:48:09] <andypugh> Focus?
[20:48:21] <humble_sea_bass> mustang is yipee ka-yay cowboy dick swinging
[20:48:27] <humble_sea_bass> I mean practical cars
[20:48:33] <jdh> ford expedtion
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[20:50:33] <andypugh> I can't really get excited by cars, I have never owned one.
[20:51:30] <humble_sea_bass> i live in nyc, so a zip car is how i get to drive
[20:51:52] <andypugh> Which reminds me. I borrowed a car to take my swarf bin to the tip this lunchtime. And accidentally dropped the whole bin in the skip. I need to find a cheap plastic dustbin. (I count 5 words there that won't completely translate to US usage).
[20:52:03] <humble_sea_bass> but if I needed a car, i might get a get a fiesta
[20:52:06] <CaptHindsight> humble_sea_bass: whats the rate per hour there for a zip car?
[20:53:02] <CaptHindsight> a rental cars costs me >$200 for a single day in NYC after all the fees and taxes
[20:53:45] <humble_sea_bass> like 10-12 per hour
[20:53:53] <CaptHindsight> thats great
[20:54:09] <humble_sea_bass> but given the unpredictability of traffit and life in general the 90 dollar a day rate is the way to go
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[20:55:29] <CaptHindsight> how available are they?
[20:55:34] <andypugh> If I needed a car it would probably be the Focus wagon/estate
[20:56:07] <andypugh> Though the S-max is pretty good and a lot more fun to drive than anything with 7 seats should be.
[20:56:18] <CaptHindsight> andypugh: which Ford did I rent in Wichita? Was that a Focus?
[20:56:24] <jdh> tip and skip seem obvious from context. No guess on the other 3
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[20:56:32] <humble_sea_bass> zip cars are all over the god damn place
[20:56:34] <andypugh> I can't remember, but I think so.
[20:56:49] <CaptHindsight> it was nice
[20:57:00] <humble_sea_bass> they have small parking lots where you walk up with your card, hold it up to the window and you're gone
[20:57:14] <andypugh> Indeed, the focus is a very pleasant car. And the 300hp version is insane.
[20:57:56] <CaptHindsight> humble_sea_bass: I'll have to check the maps. Any near downtown?
[20:58:18] <humble_sea_bass> manhattan or brooklyn?
[20:58:28] <CaptHindsight> manhattan
[20:59:12] <humble_sea_bass> the zip car HQ is on broadway and 31 or 32 and I think they have a couple of parking lots full of cars
[21:00:22] <andypugh> No! No! Buy Fords, brand new, at list price! With all the extras :-)
[21:00:27] <humble_sea_bass> http://www.zipcar.com/nyc/find-cars?zipfleet_id=94510
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[21:00:48] <CaptHindsight> getting around manhattan is easy, it's just short trips to long island or similar are sometimes a pain by train
[21:01:12] <humble_sea_bass> Long Island is full blown driving aids
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[21:03:15] <CaptHindsight> and one right by LGA
[21:04:07] <humble_sea_bass> picking up and dropping off these things is a no brainer
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[21:05:36] <CaptHindsight> I got stuck with a Chrylser minivan last week
[21:05:41] <CaptHindsight> was awful
[21:07:41] <humble_sea_bass> crusing for milfs
[21:07:59] <jdh> with bad accents
[21:08:18] <CaptHindsight> flight was 1 hour early and the res was messed up
[21:09:50] <CaptHindsight> not sure if front wheel spin is supposed to be so easy on them, if you press the pedal there is practically no response until you go past 1/2 way at starts
[21:10:36] <humble_sea_bass> it is a chrysler, that's as precise as those cars get
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[21:16:50] <Loetmichel> i thouhgt thas was GM?
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[21:22:13] <Connor> PetefromTn_: Got the 3/4" Rod in.
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[21:25:18] <PetefromTn_> Connor Nice man...
[21:25:35] <Connor> Waiting on the bearings.. you have yours yet?
[21:25:57] <PetefromTn_> nah they are coming on the slow boat from China ya know unfortunately.
[21:26:13] <Connor> Yea. same here.
[21:27:19] <PetefromTn_> I got to get this part machined here somehow. Needing some thicker material so I will have to run into Knoxville to pick some up.
[21:27:31] <Connor> What part ?
[21:27:43] <PetefromTn_> Gonna be needing some for my sacrificial jaws too. This is gonna be a bitch to machine.
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[21:29:01] <PetefromTn_> http://imagebin.org/296887
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[21:29:38] <Connor> Wow. That one is different.
[21:30:08] <PetefromTn_> Drawing still needs work but I gotta get a .dxf out of freecad so I can do it on autocad until I learn more about doing it in Freecad. Still lot to learn.
[21:30:09] <Connor> You have the dove tail end mill ?
[21:30:24] <PetefromTn_> yeah I got something that will work :p
[21:30:52] <Connor> I see a few inside corners that will need to be rounded in CAD.
[21:31:29] <PetefromTn_> yeah that is what I am talking about among other things.
[21:31:32] <Connor> You going to have to flip that part around a few different ways.. huh ?
[21:31:38] <PetefromTn_> Just holding the damn thing will be a challenge.
[21:31:51] <PetefromTn_> yeah sure will.
[21:32:15] <PetefromTn_> It is almost 9" long too so I need some long sacrificial jaws to make it work.
[21:32:21] <Connor> Top and bottom, for the dove tails..
[21:32:22] <PetefromTn_> Open to suggestions folks!!
[21:32:42] <humble_sea_bass> imagebin aint loading the image
[21:32:59] <Connor> humble_sea_bass: Didn't load for me in Chrome either.. had to use FF
[21:33:50] <humble_sea_bass> yep that did it
[21:33:56] <PetefromTn_> I was thinking machine the left side down to the full depth leaving a bit of material to hold in the vise jaws.
[21:34:04] <PetefromTn_> Then champfer and drill it in that setup.
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[21:34:49] <CaptHindsight> humble_sea_bass: does the makerspace there have a machine room?
[21:34:53] <humble_sea_bass> you got a tooling plate?
[21:35:09] <PetefromTn_> Then I gotta rotate it over along the Y axis and machine some sacrificial jaws that are wide enough to accept the distance between the bottom dovetail and the round end piece.
[21:35:37] <humble_sea_bass> I don't mignle with the "makers" movement here. I usually want to kill everyone with all their optimism
[21:35:39] <PetefromTn_> humble_sea_bass Sorry man just a cnc vise, a three jaw in the mill, and a large angle plate.
[21:35:58] <humble_sea_bass> 3rd Ward used to have good facilities, but they went belly up a few months ago
[21:36:31] <CaptHindsight> humble_sea_bass: same here, I just thought it might be a place drill and mill vs the hotel room :)
[21:37:18] <humble_sea_bass> I still use my old colleges machine shop on weekends if I have something that doesn't fit at home
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[21:37:48] <PetefromTn_> Should have designed it simpler I guess...
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[21:38:12] <humble_sea_bass> pete. a tooling plate and some cams would make this part go a lot smoother
[21:38:36] <Connor> PetefromTn_: How many of those you have to make ?
[21:38:55] <PetefromTn_> Just a prototype at first but I need to make a few to make any money on it.
[21:39:40] <humble_sea_bass> pete i'm gonna change yourr life
[21:39:42] <Connor> Hmm.. You could make a custom tool pate that goes in your vise..
[21:39:42] <humble_sea_bass> http://www.miteebite.com/
[21:39:48] <PetefromTn_> Material for the soft jaws and the parts will be maybe $60.00 or so. Have not sold too many of those wheels yet so things are really tight here.
[21:40:25] <PetefromTn_> humble_sea_bass Thanks I am very familiar with miteebite stuff. How is this gonna change my life?
[21:40:50] <humble_sea_bass> well, the commission i make will change mine i guess
[21:41:02] <PetefromTn_> You wanna change my life help me find someone who wants a bunch of parts machined and wants to pay handsomely for it LOL...
[21:41:24] <PetefromTn_> You work for Miteebite?
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[21:42:32] <humble_sea_bass> no i'm just messing about. if you want clients that pay top dollar for parts go to the 1919a4.com forums
[21:43:01] <humble_sea_bass> http://1919a4.com/showthread.php?15933-Ryland-Fleet-and-ACME-GADGET-DIVISION
[21:43:06] <PetefromTn_> Hell I don't even need TOP dollar, somewhere in the middle bucks would do nicely..
[21:43:11] <humble_sea_bass> that's my father in law
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[21:43:56] <humble_sea_bass> i'm mostly a scumbag desk jockey engineer
[21:44:16] <PetefromTn_> Looks like he does not need my machining services.. Apparently he has it under control nicely.
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[21:45:35] <PetefromTn_> Is that legal to make an automated rifle mount like that?
[21:45:47] <humble_sea_bass> yeah, but get your ass on there and get all republican with the guys there. they are super nice
[21:46:03] <humble_sea_bass> ATF said it was ok
[21:46:18] <PetefromTn_> I am sure but I don't know jack squat about machine guns other than how to pull the trigger...
[21:46:38] <humble_sea_bass> arent you making rifle scope parts though?
[21:46:39] <PetefromTn_> LOL did ya get it in writing?
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[21:46:50] <PetefromTn_> Yeah but they are for precision airguns.
[21:47:01] <PetefromTn_> probably would not last on a powderburner..
[21:47:41] <PetefromTn_> Honestly I will make about anything that is legal for someone I just enjoy airguns and I have made parts for those guys before.
[21:48:15] <PetefromTn_> was really hoping those cool wheels I am making would take off.. So far I only sold two.... sucks...
[21:48:20] <humble_sea_bass> air guns are cool as shit
[21:48:26] <PetefromTn_> agreed...
[21:48:40] <humble_sea_bass> are you much of a forum troller
[21:48:50] <PetefromTn_> I suppose...
[21:49:06] <humble_sea_bass> selling stuff like that is all about finding the community and just hawking it a little bit
[21:49:46] <PetefromTn_> Yeah I do that somewhat but I am really trying to find work for the machine that is for a company or small business that needs repeat work.
[21:50:36] <PetefromTn_> I am sure I will find something at some point but the sooner the better LOL..
[21:50:38] <humble_sea_bass> how big is your mill
[21:50:42] <Connor> PetefromTn_: Look around for people wanting custom quad copter frames and parts..
[21:50:48] <PetefromTn_> 20x20x20...
[21:50:51] <PetefromTn_> inches.
[21:51:30] <PetefromTn_> Connor Yeah that is fun but most of those guys are making them on their reprap stuff etc.. Don't wanna pay much for them even if they did.
[21:51:59] <Connor> or laser cut ABS...
[21:52:33] <PetefromTn_> I find that the custom stuff like this is difficult to do because everyone has thier own idea about what they think it should look like and making a batch of them it needs to be something that looks nice that MOST people will want.
[21:53:04] <PetefromTn_> I really thought those wheels looked killer but like I said so far not much sales..
[21:53:39] <PetefromTn_> even RFQ work is dead lately.
[21:54:22] <PetefromTn_> I think tomorrow I am gonna go to a couple local machine shops and start begging for work on my knees and bring a pizza to wear as a hat...
[21:55:18] <PetefromTn_> ;)
[21:56:07] <Connor> I need to figure out how to get my cables into my enclosure...
[21:57:12] <PetefromTn_> I put a wall in back and cut a round hole and pushed thru a large diameter piece of surgical tubing. then caulked it with silicone.
[22:00:21] <humble_sea_bass> i keep a bunch of cable glands
[22:00:25] <PetefromTn_> humble_sea_bass if your father in law needs any parts made in quantity let me know okay... one offs and prototype is not my specialty....
[22:00:31] <humble_sea_bass> things are damn handi and neat looking
[22:01:30] <humble_sea_bass> nowdays he doesnt do much mfg. there is much much more money to be made servicing machine tools on site. spends most of his days travelling
[22:02:29] <Connor> I didn't leave enough room between the back of the machine and the enclosure... Well.. really didn't have any to leave..
[22:03:05] <PetefromTn_> like I said I made a back wall that goes up above the base a good bit and put the hole aside the column...
[22:03:21] <PetefromTn_> Keeps the cables out of the crud and fluids...
[22:03:30] <Connor> Maybe Drill a hole into the back of the tray, mount some PVC and make a 90 degree up, go up a bit, then back down.
[22:03:44] <Deejay> gn8
[22:03:53] <PetefromTn_> gn8 deejay!
[22:04:24] <Deejay> :-)
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[22:05:29] <Connor> I need to go take a picture of mill in enclosure now.. be back ina few.
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[22:20:35] <Connor> http://www.ivdc.com/cnc/mill_03_03_14_01.jpg
[22:20:41] <Connor> Mill in enclosure.. doors open
[22:21:09] <CaptHindsight> where do you guys get your 2 flute small dia (1/8-1/4") end mills for aluminum?
[22:21:18] <Connor> http://www.ivdc.com/cnc/mill_03_03_14_02.jpg Poke a hole in the 1x6 somewhere for a PVC pipe to pop up.
[22:21:24] <CaptHindsight> Shars, Enco or??
[22:21:33] <humble_sea_bass> i like the little rolling shade
[22:21:39] <Connor> http://www.ivdc.com/cnc/mill_03_03_14_03.jpg doors closed.
[22:21:51] <Connor> I ripped a hole in it..
[22:25:04] <Connor> I don't want to go through the panels, as they're designed to be removed.
[22:25:05] <PetefromTn_> CaptHindsight I get mine from maritooll...
[22:25:33] <PetefromTn_> maritool...
[22:25:52] <Connor> The Air, Spindle, coolant will come over top as they go in e-chain that isn't installed yet..
[22:26:06] <PetefromTn_> Connor Looks real nice man...
[22:26:29] <PetefromTn_> kinda reminds me of my enclosure on my RF45..
[22:27:15] <PetefromTn_> only your doors are nicer.
[22:31:18] <PetefromTn_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRMfJwx2Dng&list=UUFCopiUpaDrS5VBkrYFuGFQ&feature=c4-overview memories LOL
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[22:36:00] <Connor> Everything is caulked.. Made it out of Extruded 15mm Mitsumi
[22:36:38] <PetefromTn_> like 8020 stuff how much does that run?
[22:36:53] <Connor> was $7.50 per 2M ..
[22:37:09] <PetefromTn_> jeez that is not bad...
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[22:37:19] <Connor> No. I order 16 sticks of it.
[22:39:11] <PetefromTn_> how much did the enclosure take?
[22:39:26] <Connor> I think I have 3 or 4 sticks left.
[22:39:43] <Connor> and some shorts..
[22:40:26] <PetefromTn_> cool.
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[22:47:39] <JT-Shop> snow in March in south east MO don't seem like global warming to me
[22:50:28] <CaptHindsight> that is why they call it GLOBAL not local warming
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[23:02:54] <zeeshan> connor
[23:02:58] <zeeshan> nice setup man!
[23:03:23] <Connor> zeeshan: Thanks
[23:03:32] <zeeshan> that light youre using
[23:03:37] <zeeshan> whered you get that?
[23:03:55] <zeeshan> looks very ikea like :P
[23:04:01] <Connor> Staples
[23:04:08] <zeeshan> ah
[23:04:09] <zeeshan> one more thing
[23:04:11] <zeeshan> the white sheets
[23:04:13] <zeeshan> what are they?
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[23:06:28] <CHNCguy> hi
[23:06:33] <Gamma-X> hi
[23:06:35] <CHNCguy> hey hey yall ;)
[23:06:40] <CHNCguy> damn i hate drywall
[23:07:20] <PetefromTn_> me too...just did a bunch of sanding and took two days to dust the house...
[23:07:31] <CHNCguy> so does anyone know how I can get a carousel tool changer working with a vmc in simulation mode?
[23:08:52] <CHNCguy> I installed the 2.6 version of linux how would I downgrade again? to the solid 2.5.3?
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[23:11:27] <andypugh> I don't think 2.6 is any less solid at the moment than 2.5.3
[23:11:40] <andypugh> If you know of any bugs then it is important that you report them.
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[23:11:59] <PetefromTn_> CHNCguy I am running 2.6 and apparently it has some features that can be useful for a toolchanger which is why we went that way.
[23:12:24] <CHNCguy> mmm ok I wont downgrade then, just didnt know what was more supported
[23:12:53] <PetefromTn_> So far it seems to run just fine I have run it a bunch but only been running for a couple months now.
[23:13:25] <CHNCguy> Ok so, lets chat about some simple stuff, i am on my linux pc but the machine is not hooked up. First lets work on the axis, where do i start?
[23:13:50] <CHNCguy> sim file? Id like to see how I can get into the tuning and such in sim
[23:13:56] <PetefromTn_> there is also a new Toolpath generator with more lookahead that is being worked on right now you can try. I have not tried it yet.
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[23:14:56] <PetefromTn_> I have not really played with the simulation just went right to building the machine so I am not gonna be of much help there.
[23:15:44] <CHNCguy> I wanted to have a fairly configured PC before i get the machine here so I can plug and play.
[23:16:11] <CHNCguy> Well lets try this, what about the tool change macro?
[23:16:18] <PetefromTn_> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxCNC_Pure_Simulator
[23:17:06] <PetefromTn_> I seriously doubt it will be anything remotely plug and play but I understand what you are trying to do...
[23:17:29] <JT-Shop> CHNCguy, I have a sim with a tool changer if you want it
[23:17:49] <CHNCguy> ya can u send it to me? And how would I install it?
[23:17:55] <CHNCguy> <<<<<linux newb
[23:18:49] <andypugh> CHNCguy: No installing required, just plonk the config in your configs directory.
[23:19:00] <PetefromTn_> yeah just plonk it..
[23:19:36] <CHNCguy> hehe k plonk it is
[23:19:59] <JT-Shop> CHNCguy, http://www.gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/index.html
[23:20:22] <JT-Shop> yea, plonk it...
[23:20:28] <CHNCguy> is the tool changer there?
[23:20:38] <CHNCguy> the classic ladder?
[23:21:30] <JT-Shop> yes, and some PyVCP buttons so you can be the sensors and stuff
[23:21:55] <JT-Shop> CHNCguy, just download it from the link
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[23:23:59] <CHNCguy> k i extracted it to the configs folder, did i need to make a subfolder?
[23:25:11] <CHNCguy> how would I load the sim with those configs?
[23:27:14] <andypugh> Spent this evening scraping the lathe carriage. Until the pain got too much.
[23:27:34] <andypugh> It's hard on the wrists, hands and knees.
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[23:28:32] <CHNCguy> sounds like how I felt putting up drywall in my shop, still not done yet, *DAMN ARCHED CEILING!)
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[23:31:34] <CHNCguy> i got ya turret to work JT, sorry for my newbie questions ;)
[23:33:19] <JT-Shop> yea
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