#linuxcnc | Logs for 2014-02-26

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[00:00:59] <JT-Shop> 170 kmh?
[00:01:40] <andypugh> JT-Shop: It's all mph over hre
[00:02:01] <JT-Shop> 170 mph is quite fast for a bike
[00:02:13] <JT-Shop> I've been 140mph on the wing
[00:02:25] <andypugh> It's quite a fast bike :-)
[00:02:34] <JT-Shop> quite stable at 950 lbs
[00:02:49] <JT-Shop> 1800cc 6 cylinders
[00:03:12] <JT-Shop> and gets 45mpg when my wife is riding with me :)
[00:05:21] <andypugh> anyway, time to sleep
[00:05:23] <PetefromTn> I have seen 175 on my old 1000 indicated so probably about 170 or so...
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[00:06:30] <JT-Shop> 1000?
[00:07:00] <PetefromTn> Yeah Yamaha FZR1000 1992 model. Had a little work done to it LOL..
[00:08:52] <JT-Shop> like a super charger?
[00:09:20] <JT-Shop> funny how I get better gas mileage when riding two up on the Blue Wing
[00:10:21] <PetefromTn> http://classic-motorbikes.net/wp/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Yamaha-FZR-action001.jpg Mine looked almost identical to this one...
[00:12:41] <PetefromTn> It had some nice head work done to it, It had flatslide carbs and Vance and Hines Power pack as well as a titanium exhaust and 520 chainset with slightly different gearing. It also had an ignition advancer and I put some very lightweight Marchesini wheels on it that looked stock but were WAY lighter.
[00:13:06] <JT-Shop> very nice
[00:13:41] <The_Ball> ah, reminds me of my RGV-250
[00:14:07] <JT-Shop> I always wanted to get another KZ1000 but restrained myself from doing a silly thing like that
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[00:14:24] <JT-Shop> the Wing and the Spyder are enough to keep me busy
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[00:17:19] <PetefromTn> I would buy another 1992 FZR1000 in good shape in a heartbeat. It was an amazingly smooth and stupid fast bike that was comfortable for me and my wife to cruise around on. She talks to this day about how we went 140 two up on the way to fudruckers in Miami with my friend on his matching colors FZR1000 LOL...
[00:18:03] <PetefromTn> The_Ball: RGV GAMMA is the most awesome bike ever...
[00:18:46] <PetefromTn> I had a good friend in south Florida who used to have an RZ500 yamaha and an RGV 250 too... Sweet bikes.
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[00:21:05] <The_Ball> I had a CB500 for a few years, then got the RGV, blew my mind, started going to track days, so much fun leaving bigger bikes for dead in the corners. Have a 600 kwakker today
[00:23:13] <Connor> Do I need a special package to get the headers for linuxcnc to compile components against ?
[00:28:13] <PetefromTn> The_Ball: I always wanted a 2 stroker..
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[00:31:57] <JT-Shop> you need dev Connor
[00:32:28] <JT-Shop> Connor, look in the comp manual for more info
[00:32:35] <Connor> how do you get that with master ?
[00:32:51] <Connor> and.. working in sim right now.. so.. I figured that out..
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[00:38:12] <JT-Shop> the documents?
[00:39:04] <JT-Shop> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/hal/comp.html#_installing
[00:39:57] * JT-Shop heads inside
[00:41:11] <Connor> Cool.. Got the halio component plugged in.. now the cam is working completely as it should.
[00:42:02] <Jymmm> WOOHOO finally done!!!
[00:43:40] <PetefromTn> Connor: So you got it all working then?? Awesome man..
[00:43:52] <PetefromTn> Jymmm: Done with what?
[00:44:15] <Jymmm> PetefromTn: Writting the brief, and I still forgot stuff
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[01:45:04] <zeeshan> http://i.imgur.com/zD6dLFg.png
[01:45:06] <zeeshan> creepy looking
[01:45:07] <zeeshan> mesh
[01:46:01] <Connor_iPad> What is that?
[01:46:38] <zeeshan> its 2 rectangular ducts coming together
[01:46:45] <zeeshan> in which air goes thrtough
[01:46:56] <zeeshan> and the tubes have water running through them
[01:47:04] <Connor_iPad> For what?
[01:47:12] <zeeshan> heat exchanger
[01:47:49] <zeeshan> half the challenge in flow simulation is getting the mesh right
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[01:53:56] <tcpsyn> evening
[01:54:09] <tcpsyn> oops. wrong chan.
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[02:04:05] <PetefromTn> Jeez man I SUCK at 3d drawing LOL... I got so much to learn about this stuff..
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[02:06:19] <zeeshan> thats why there is training courses :P
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[02:08:34] <PetefromTn> Maybe for you...
[02:08:58] <zeeshan> yea well what can i say
[02:09:00] <zeeshan> im a professional
[02:09:01] <zeeshan> :)
[02:09:04] <zeeshan> with a license
[02:09:15] <Jymmm> ...to thrill
[02:10:05] <zeeshan> i've gone through so many drawings that make zero sense
[02:10:14] <zeeshan> and fixed so many models that are supposed to be "parameter"
[02:10:18] <zeeshan> parametric
[02:10:37] <zeeshan> all cause of poor modeling or failure of understanding of gd&T
[02:11:00] <PetefromTn> Yeah man you're my hero..
[02:11:47] <zeeshan> why are you arguing?
[02:12:06] <PetefromTn> Why are you bragging?
[02:12:12] <zeeshan> i only made 1 comment
[02:12:18] <zeeshan> saying there are training courses for a reason
[02:12:25] <zeeshan> and you decided to jab at me by saying "maybe for you"
[02:12:31] <zeeshan> like im some tard who can't learn a software on his own
[02:12:49] <Jymmm> zeeshan: He was saying the opposite actually.
[02:12:53] <PetefromTn> No actually I meant maybe you can afford it I cannot..
[02:13:13] <zeeshan> theres a shit load of free training courses
[02:13:19] <zeeshan> to learn it right
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[02:14:58] <PetefromTn> I just gotta trudge thru this watching video tutorials and reading the doccumentation and it is a beotch for me.
[02:16:06] <Tom_itx> a vast majority of parts don't need 3d drawings to make them
[02:16:18] <PetefromTn> Tom_itx: Totally right man..
[02:16:20] <os1r1s> PetefromTn: Which program?
[02:16:30] <Tom_itx> depending on the industry
[02:16:30] <PetefromTn> Most of the stuff I do does not need 3d at all
[02:16:41] <Tom_itx> practically all the stuff we did required them
[02:16:43] <PetefromTn> In fact honestly I have not actually made a 3d part yet...
[02:18:08] <PetefromTn> However I do intend to do 3d parts here and soon and I gotta start thinking and drawing in 3d so that my potential customers know I can do that as well as to render parts and assemblies in 3d so it is clearer what I am making for them/
[02:18:39] <PetefromTn> os1r1s: I am stuck using open source stuff due to lack of cash for good software.
[02:18:45] <PetefromTn> I am using Freecad right now.
[02:19:32] <os1r1s> PetefromTn: If you are just doing 2d, draftsight is free
[02:19:53] <PetefromTn> Yeah man I know I use it all the time...
[02:19:57] <os1r1s> hehe
[02:20:03] <zeeshan> are you trying to do isometric drawings
[02:20:05] <PetefromTn> It is a great 2d program..
[02:20:05] <Tom_itx> what will it import and export?
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[02:21:05] <PetefromTn> STEP, IGES, OBJ, STL, DXF, SVG, STL, DAE, IFC or OFF, NASTRAN, VRML
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[02:23:56] <PetefromTn> zeeshan: I usuallly just draw the parts in 3d using the software and then export a .PDF of it in isometric view to show the customer and whatever other view I deem necessary to show the part.
[02:24:54] <zeeshan> can you not do drawings like this: http://www.we-r-here.com/cad/tutorials/level_1/images/Ortho-exercise-01.gif
[02:25:04] <zeeshan> where you just draw certain views?
[02:25:10] <zeeshan> in your software
[02:25:58] <PetefromTn> Sure but it is not as impressive...
[02:26:08] <zeeshan> what do you mean
[02:26:17] <Tom_itx> your customers don't provide you detailed drawings?
[02:26:22] <PetefromTn> I mean people seem to like pretty pictures..
[02:26:30] <zeeshan> you're dealing with some tards then
[02:26:30] <zeeshan> lol
[02:26:43] <PetefromTn> Tom_itx: I am talking about products I make in this instance..
[02:26:58] <zeeshan> a standard way to communicate a 3d part is using ansi 14.5y drawing standard
[02:27:01] <zeeshan> at least in usa/canada
[02:27:08] <zeeshan> which is drawings exactly like that!
[02:27:15] <PetefromTn> But the reality is that when customers do bring me drawings I need to be able to work with them and more and more those drawings are 3d files.
[02:27:33] <PetefromTn> zeeshan: Yes I know that..
[02:27:36] <Tom_itx> yeah we'd generally get something similar to those although alot more complex
[02:28:09] <Tom_itx> and the models they would send to use would generally be a whole assembly we'd pick the parts out of
[02:28:13] <zeeshan> when you say those drawings are 3d files
[02:28:15] <zeeshan> what do you mean?
[02:28:18] <PetefromTn> For instance this wheel parts I just made. A Major reason I got the sale was because I could show the customer what the part would look like in 3d...
[02:28:22] <zeeshan> do you mean its a 3d file with dimensions floating in space?
[02:28:37] <Tom_itx> ours were
[02:28:50] <PetefromTn> Nope no dimensions but I can dimension the 3d drawing in freecad...
[02:28:56] <zeeshan> ohh
[02:28:59] <PetefromTn> I should not use the word drawing..
[02:29:00] <zeeshan> thats a very non standard way!
[02:29:03] <PetefromTn> It is a model..
[02:29:17] <zeeshan> but its quick if you wanna show a couple of dimensions
[02:30:13] <PetefromTn> I mean yeah once I get the part model completed I can export simple cad drawings in 2d iso like you showed but folks like to see 3d pictures of the drawings so I am trying to teach myself how to do that
[02:31:07] <Tom_itx> hope you're getting paid for all the extra work
[02:31:10] <PetefromTn> Even some of my custom cabinet designs are shown in 3d depending on the complexity. Lots of cabinet shops are going to 3d renderings to depict the projects for the customer to see and some are quite elaborate...
[02:31:34] <PetefromTn> Tom_itx: No not really I am mostly doing it so I can learn right now..
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[02:32:32] <PetefromTn> Basically in my ideal world I would like to be able to receive a model, assembly, or drawing from ANYONE and be able to work with it and machine it and change the design when necessary and show the customer the changes without looking like a dolt.
[02:33:30] <zeeshan> PetefromTn: i dont mean to interfere in your business
[02:33:38] <PetefromTn> I am trying to be able to show I can do the same stuff a large PRO machine shop can do here
[02:33:48] <zeeshan> but make sure you charge people for doing this stuff
[02:33:54] <zeeshan> cause it takes a certain skill to do it!
[02:34:02] <PetefromTn> Oh hell yeah it does.
[02:34:29] <PetefromTn> It really depends on what I am making or being asked to make..
[02:35:06] <PetefromTn> If it is just a simple thing with some slots and holes that does not necessitate any 3d rendering to let the customer know what the hell is going on then I will draw it in 2d.
[02:35:21] <zeeshan> do what i do
[02:35:29] <zeeshan> draw it in 3d (i hate 2d drawings)
[02:35:42] <zeeshan> show them from various angles with the compass showing too
[02:35:43] <PetefromTn> But elaborate things like these wheels are harder to show in 2d. It would look like a circle with lots of other circles inside it and not show the true depth of it..
[02:35:46] <zeeshan> and call it a day ;p
[02:36:00] <PetefromTn> zeeshan: That is precisely what I am doing..
[02:36:34] <PetefromTn> Problem is I am not well versed in 3d modeling and It is a steep learning slope..
[02:36:36] <zeeshan> when i said i hate 2d drawings , i meant they take a long time
[02:36:49] <zeeshan> maybe start with the basics?
[02:36:53] <zeeshan> do a couple of tutorials?
[02:36:59] <zeeshan> im sure freecad has some tutorials you can follow
[02:37:00] <PetefromTn> Honestly for most stuff I can whip out a 2d drawing a lot faster than I can a 3d drawing..
[02:37:27] <zeeshan> if im making a 2d flange
[02:37:30] <PetefromTn> Oh I have been thru a bunch of them already and have learned a lot. The guys on the Freecad IRC are also quite helpful
[02:37:36] <zeeshan> ill model it in 3d
[02:37:40] <zeeshan> its just faster
[02:38:06] <zeeshan> just because 3d stuff has constraints
[02:38:26] <PetefromTn> Honestly I really like the 3d stuff because of the constraints..
[02:38:53] <PetefromTn> It is also really nice to be able to adjust parameters and change it at will. really pretty amazing stuff but it is not easy to learn at least for me...
[02:40:17] <zeeshan> i think its because you're used to 2d
[02:41:24] <PetefromTn> Yeah probably..
[02:41:28] <zeeshan> tell me a part to draw!
[02:41:49] <zeeshan> actually lemme show you the encoder plate
[02:42:53] <zeeshan> i wanna see how you think
[02:43:18] <zeeshan> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/trigger4_zps9d5afce8.png
[02:43:20] <zeeshan> how would you draw that?
[02:43:27] <zeeshan> using a 3d modeler
[02:43:30] <zeeshan> even though its 2d
[02:44:29] <Tom_itx> that doesn't need to be 3d
[02:44:34] <Tom_itx> it's a flat part
[02:45:38] <PetefromTn> Well I would probably create the disk from a circle and then do a polar array of the slots after I drew them and then pad the shape and then I would pocket the holes out not necessarily in that order..
[02:46:25] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: yea i know
[02:47:18] <zeeshan> PetefromTn: seems likes a good plan
[02:47:52] <zeeshan> now a different thing
[02:47:53] <zeeshan> :)
[02:47:55] <PetefromTn> There are as you know a myriad of ways to make that tho...
[02:47:58] <zeeshan> no
[02:48:01] <zeeshan> thats perffectly fine.
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[02:48:52] <zeeshan> trying to find the damn picture
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[02:51:13] <zeeshan> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/flange.png
[02:51:14] <zeeshan> how would you draw that
[02:51:52] <zeeshan> lol dont look at the history tree
[02:51:53] <zeeshan> :{
[02:52:03] <zeeshan> damn it i shoulda cropped that out
[02:52:25] <Tom_itx> being a lathe part, i'd draw a 2d profile
[02:52:38] <zeeshan> its not a complete lathe part
[02:52:42] <zeeshan> look at the flange holes :P
[02:52:43] <Tom_itx> it could be
[02:52:57] <Tom_itx> depending on how fancy your lathe is
[02:52:57] <zeeshan> but you're right..
[02:53:34] <Tom_itx> but you wouldn't recognize it from my drawing
[02:53:44] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: thats the proper way
[02:53:46] <Tom_itx> that's how i did andy's cup
[02:53:49] <zeeshan> half profile :P
[02:53:52] <zeeshan> and revolve
[02:54:04] <PetefromTn> I just drew a part like that recently in freecad.
[02:54:11] <zeeshan> if you were going to extrude that, it would take forever
[02:54:20] <zeeshan> and take a lot more effort to be parametric.
[02:54:22] <Tom_itx> yeah
[02:54:25] <zeeshan> ie if you changed the length of the part
[02:54:30] <zeeshan> it wouldn't grow right
[02:54:41] <zeeshan> PetefromTn:
[02:54:44] <zeeshan> here is one for the mill
[02:54:45] <zeeshan> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/ribbed_bracket.png
[02:54:52] <PetefromTn> Personally I would do a sketch of the cross section of the shape and revolve it.
[02:54:59] <zeeshan> PetefromTn: exactly
[02:55:12] <zeeshan> thats the 'correct' way
[02:55:18] <PetefromTn> Then pocket with a boolean cut thru the side for the cross holes and then pocket the base
[02:55:41] <PetefromTn> Attach a sketch to the base of the bolt pattern and then cut it.
[02:55:54] <zeeshan> the holes tangent to the circular side
[02:56:00] <zeeshan> had to be made using a tangent plane
[02:56:11] <zeeshan> i use a tangent plane because if i make the part diameter bigger or smaller
[02:56:13] <zeeshan> it moves with it
[02:56:26] <PetefromTn> That part is impossible to machine.
[02:56:35] <zeeshan> PetefromTn: i made that on a mill
[02:56:35] <zeeshan> lol
[02:56:39] <zeeshan> 3-axis
[02:56:51] <zeeshan> thats one of the first parts i ever made
[02:56:51] <PetefromTn> not if it looked like that you didn't
[02:57:05] <zeeshan> it started off with a rectangular piece
[02:57:12] <zeeshan> the flat side were in the mill
[02:57:18] <zeeshan> i mean in the vise..
[02:57:34] <Tom_itx> you're not showing the 'real' radius that would inherently be there
[02:57:39] <zeeshan> the rib pocket side was cut along with the boss
[02:57:43] <PetefromTn> Exactly tom...
[02:57:53] <zeeshan> oh gimme a break
[02:57:54] <zeeshan> lol
[02:58:13] <Tom_itx> there should be an accompanying drawing with callouts for things like that
[02:58:19] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: there was
[02:58:25] <PetefromTn> Other than that the part is simple as shit.
[02:58:27] <zeeshan> hence why 2d drawings will never replace 3d
[02:58:28] <zeeshan> :)
[02:58:49] <zeeshan> and that part can be easily "edm'ed"
[02:58:54] <Tom_itx> i'd send it off to a reprapper and let him make it
[02:59:03] <zeeshan> but why someone would want to do that would be beyond my understanding
[02:59:56] <zeeshan> i came across a part
[03:00:07] <zeeshan> one of the most complex i've ever had to make and it actually got manufactured
[03:00:18] <PetefromTn> You could use an edm of course but the part would actually be stronger with a radiused web in the corner.
[03:00:21] <zeeshan> gotta black it out
[03:00:21] <zeeshan> sec
[03:02:02] <Connor_iPad> Black what out?
[03:02:44] <PetefromTn> Probably customer or proprietary information.
[03:03:40] <zeeshan> <iframe width="480" height="360" src="http://s130.photobucket.com/user/turbozee84/embed/slideshow/"></iframe>
[03:03:41] <zeeshan> er
[03:03:45] <zeeshan> fail paste
[03:03:53] <zeeshan> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/drawing_zpse893e1eb.png
[03:04:32] <zeeshan> this part is made in 2 splits
[03:04:58] <zeeshan> and costs about $12000 in machining
[03:05:49] <Tom_itx> why?
[03:05:56] <Tom_itx> doesn't look like it should
[03:06:02] <zeeshan> trying to first show what it does
[03:06:22] <zeeshan> http://www.hackcollege.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/pill-bottle-safety-lid.jpeg
[03:06:32] <zeeshan> see the weird ass "threads" on a typical medicine bottle
[03:06:38] <zeeshan> basically this thing makes that
[03:07:10] <zeeshan> i forgot what grade of stainless steel its made from
[03:07:27] <zeeshan> but its got a rockwell hardness of 60 (c scale)
[03:07:42] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/cnc/temp/sample.png
[03:07:44] <Tom_itx> there's one for ya
[03:07:52] <zeeshan> the inside of the neck ring has to be edmed using a copper electrode
[03:07:59] <zeeshan> which by itself is ridiciously expensive
[03:08:10] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: welded assembly?
[03:08:18] <Tom_itx> aluminum billet
[03:08:21] <zeeshan> haha
[03:08:24] <Tom_itx> machined
[03:08:28] <zeeshan> thats crazy
[03:08:56] <Tom_itx> wanna see it?
[03:09:04] <zeeshan> yes
[03:09:08] <Tom_itx> http://clearwateren.com/gallery.php
[03:09:18] <Tom_itx> 4th over in the TI./Steel section
[03:09:19] <zeeshan> how did i guess in my head
[03:09:21] <PetefromTn> Actually both of the larger local shops could make those parts easily from what I see they both have sinker EDMS and make thier own electrodes..
[03:09:23] <zeeshan> it was aerospace related
[03:09:36] <zeeshan> PetefromTn: you can do it but it costs a lot
[03:09:40] <Tom_itx> nothing is flat in aerospace
[03:09:44] <zeeshan> the surface finish on the inside of the part is like 5micrometer
[03:09:59] <PetefromTn> Is it a mold then?
[03:10:00] <zeeshan> it has to be ground using a special custom designed grinding stone
[03:10:11] <Tom_itx> zeeshan see the one next to it?
[03:10:22] <zeeshan> the 12x7?
[03:10:31] <zeeshan> er
[03:10:37] <Tom_itx> in the Ti section
[03:10:38] <zeeshan> i was looking at the wrong one
[03:10:44] <zeeshan> holy shit what is that
[03:10:44] <Tom_itx> 3rd over
[03:10:52] <Tom_itx> trailing link for landing gear
[03:10:53] <Tom_itx> Ti
[03:11:02] <Tom_itx> the first articles were from solid billet
[03:11:09] <Tom_itx> then they provided forgings for us
[03:11:10] <PetefromTn> Is that piece cast then machined?
[03:11:16] <Tom_itx> oh hell no
[03:11:19] <PetefromTn> forged rather..
[03:11:30] <Tom_itx> the production ones were
[03:11:33] <PetefromTn> I am talking about the tube shaped one.
[03:11:40] <Tom_itx> first articles were solid billet
[03:11:45] <zeeshan> tube shaped one looks cast
[03:11:49] <zeeshan> i dont even know how you'd forge that
[03:11:56] <Tom_itx> they did
[03:12:06] <Tom_itx> talk about expensive...
[03:12:06] <zeeshan> that musta taken a 400 ton press
[03:12:13] <zeeshan> with some crazy expensive mold
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[03:12:14] <zeeshan> and had to be done in stages
[03:12:16] <PetefromTn> So you machined the tube shaped one initially?
[03:12:25] <Tom_itx> yes
[03:12:29] <Tom_itx> from solid Ti
[03:12:39] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: you know all about gd&t
[03:12:40] <PetefromTn> I dunno man that looks awful impossible..
[03:12:42] <zeeshan> since you work in aerospace
[03:12:48] <Tom_itx> probably about a week running 24/7
[03:13:03] <Tom_itx> zeeshan, not anymore
[03:13:16] <PetefromTn> You would need to fashion a custom ball shaped cutter and then it would still be nearly impossible.
[03:13:32] <Tom_itx> several positions
[03:13:42] <PetefromTn> Even with a five axis machine.
[03:13:55] <Tom_itx> i've got the model here somewhere
[03:14:06] <PetefromTn> If they actually pulled that off they are fuckin' master machinists...
[03:14:18] <Tom_itx> 3 axis
[03:14:20] <PetefromTn> My hats off to them.
[03:14:28] <Tom_itx> on a toumbstone
[03:14:45] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: you still work at this place?
[03:14:55] <PetefromTn> I have seen folks make blind tube shaped stuff like that before but not that deep and angled and nothing is straight..
[03:15:01] <Tom_itx> no it was my bud's place and he retired and sold it to some jackoffs
[03:15:15] <Tom_itx> i still go out there once in a while
[03:15:25] <PetefromTn> to the jackoffs..
[03:15:36] <PetefromTn> ;)
[03:15:37] <zeeshan> money $$$
[03:15:38] <Tom_itx> to his smaller shop
[03:15:39] <zeeshan> win
[03:15:43] <Tom_itx> he still has some cncs
[03:15:48] <Tom_itx> in his 2nd shop
[03:15:57] <Tom_itx> that was his 3rd place he sold
[03:16:25] <PetefromTn> I noticed both of you showed these parts with 3d models..
[03:16:35] <Tom_itx> i think everything you see there was cut from solid material
[03:16:37] <zeeshan> what
[03:16:38] <zeeshan> mine were 2d
[03:16:40] <Tom_itx> except maybe 2 parts
[03:16:46] <zeeshan> =D
[03:16:53] <PetefromTn> Nope.
[03:16:59] <Tom_itx> the steering link in white at the bottom was forging
[03:17:05] <Tom_itx> first part from the left
[03:17:07] <zeeshan> well the detail drawings are always 2d
[03:17:11] <zeeshan> but ofcourse you gotta model the part in 3rd
[03:17:14] <zeeshan> *3d
[03:17:35] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn nearly all of ours had to be 3d
[03:17:44] <PetefromTn> exactly..
[03:17:47] <Tom_itx> i've done quite a few 2d flat parts
[03:17:59] <PetefromTn> which is why I am trying so hard to learn this 3d SCHTUFF...
[03:18:03] <zeeshan> i stopped doing autocad 2d prawings
[03:18:03] <Tom_itx> cams etc
[03:18:09] <zeeshan> 10 years ago
[03:18:10] <zeeshan> lol
[03:18:16] <zeeshan> ill kill myself before doing that shit again
[03:18:22] <zeeshan> it drove me insane
[03:18:36] <PetefromTn> Yeah you need to concentrate on more important stuff..
[03:18:38] <Tom_itx> there was a guy that did 3d in acad and used ncpolaris to post the code
[03:18:47] <zeeshan> 3d autocad
[03:18:48] <zeeshan> ROFL
[03:18:52] <PetefromTn> Like helping me get my Modbus spindle control working...
[03:18:54] <Tom_itx> he was GOOD at it too
[03:19:07] <skunkworks> heh - like stuarts shop - billet in -> shavings and thin part out.
[03:19:12] <zeeshan> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/front-1.png
[03:19:13] <zeeshan> EW
[03:19:16] <zeeshan> i just found a pic
[03:19:16] <Tom_itx> skunkworks exactly
[03:19:22] <zeeshan> assignments lol
[03:19:29] <zeeshan> so i lied
[03:19:35] <Tom_itx> skunkworks he works for quite a few of the same clients
[03:19:43] <zeeshan> 6 years ago was the last time i used autocad
[03:20:10] <PetefromTn> Lots of folks draw 3d autocad... believe it or not..
[03:20:18] <zeeshan> PetefromTn: damn
[03:20:20] <Tom_itx> i've got my house plans in acad but that's about it
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[03:20:43] <zeeshan> haha
[03:20:43] <PetefromTn> Most of the woodworking drawings I do are in autocad style..
[03:20:43] <zeeshan> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/garage.png
[03:20:49] <zeeshan> even my garage plan layout
[03:20:52] <zeeshan> (very old one)
[03:20:53] <tjtr33> i still use MDT (all i got :)
[03:20:56] <zeeshan> was made in a 3d software
[03:20:57] <zeeshan> haha
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[03:22:23] <zeeshan> heres a reason why i do stuff in 3D(even 2d parts)
[03:22:24] <zeeshan> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/comparison.png
[03:22:41] <zeeshan> i was trying to optimize flat bar usage to make some stainless flanges
[03:23:13] <zeeshan> it was literally 1 angle mate that alows me to rotate stuff and 1 linear pattern
[03:23:22] <Tom_itx> you can still do that in 2d
[03:23:24] <zeeshan> i'd prolly go crazy in 2d autocad trying to figure that out
[03:23:30] <zeeshan> yea you can
[03:23:33] <zeeshan> but its a lot more effort!
[03:23:39] <Tom_itx> not really
[03:24:19] <zeeshan> and one other good reason i do stuf in 3rd is because
[03:24:21] <PetefromTn> Actually that is quite simple in autocad..
[03:24:34] <zeeshan> because you never know when your 2d parts will be used in a 3d assembly
[03:24:37] <Tom_itx> you just like doing it that way
[03:24:40] <zeeshan> or in a simulation analysis
[03:24:47] <zeeshan> or when you quickly need to find the mass of the part
[03:25:07] <zeeshan> or need the geometric properties like second moment of inertia
[03:25:10] * skunkworks still uses acad12 off and on
[03:25:15] <PetefromTn> the best thing about 3d cad is that you can change the design quickly and easily. and the changes are linked to other parts of the drawing. Parametric..
[03:25:24] <zeeshan> yessir
[03:25:34] <zeeshan> 2d just doesnt make sense in this day and age
[03:25:42] <zeeshan> if you're just machining stuff, sure it makes sense
[03:25:50] <zeeshan> but if youre designing stuff, i think 2d is out of date
[03:26:01] <skunkworks> I was corrupted by autocad in the 90's and it is hard for me to wrap my head around parametric cad...
[03:26:07] <PetefromTn> That and the parts relations are a more accurate portrayal of what the part will look like and what the assembly will look like and how it will fit together.
[03:26:09] <Tom_itx> skunkworks me too
[03:26:28] <zeeshan> PetefromTn: exactly you can do interference analysis if you want to..
[03:26:45] <skunkworks> I just need to play with it. have freecad installed - just have not really tried it.
[03:26:56] <zeeshan> honestly, i learned 3d modelling from a guy who was an expert in both autocad 2d and solidworks 3d
[03:27:08] <skunkworks> maybe by the time I get around to playing with it - they will have the cam working :)
[03:27:13] <Tom_itx> i've been thru the solidworks tutorials a couple times but i still struggle with it
[03:27:13] <PetefromTn> I actually quite like Freecad but it can be frustrating.
[03:27:16] <zeeshan> if i hadnt learned from him, i'd prolly be doing fucked up designs
[03:27:48] <zeeshan> Tom_itx: like what?
[03:27:51] <PetefromTn> Once you understand how the basics work it becomes simple but the more advanced stuff is diffiuclt...
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[03:28:10] <skunkworks> I got pretty good at eagle cad - so I should be able to learn anything ;)
[03:28:11] <Tom_itx> zeeshan i just don't use it enough to be fluent
[03:28:16] <Tom_itx> heh
[03:28:19] <Tom_itx> i like eagle
[03:28:25] <zeeshan> all you gotta do is start making your 2d stuff in it :P
[03:28:27] <PetefromTn> Like I drew my first helical spring the other day and that was complex until I understood it.
[03:28:30] <skunkworks> so do I. very powerful
[03:28:33] <Tom_itx> i've used it since ver 2 or before
[03:28:42] <zeeshan> PetefromTn: now make that helical spring deform under a force
[03:28:43] <zeeshan> :D
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[03:29:02] <PetefromTn> You can actually do that now apparently.
[03:29:11] <PetefromTn> I don't know how tho..
[03:29:15] <skunkworks> Tom_itx: too bad I missed you at stuarts..
[03:29:27] <PetefromTn> There is even a guy working on FEA stuff for freecad...
[03:29:32] <Tom_itx> yeah i was there a bit on friday i think
[03:29:54] <zeeshan> fea is a whole different ball game
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[03:30:07] <zeeshan> but without some strength of materials background
[03:30:11] <zeeshan> the results are meaningless
[03:30:23] <zeeshan> like you can do a stress analysis on a welding table to see how much weight it can hold
[03:30:41] <zeeshan> and it's all fine, but now if you go do the same thing on a milling machine
[03:31:01] <zeeshan> the default fea results are going to give you some really wrong results
[03:31:07] <UnderSampled> I have an old computer running old emc (from 2005), specifically with freqmod, and I want to reconfigure the parallel pinout so that X comes out of A and it acts like a three axis cartesian instead of a four axis with turntable
[03:31:08] <Tom_itx> skunkworks being the first time i kinda felt outta place a bit. didn't have any 'show n tell' stuff
[03:31:42] <UnderSampled> but I couldn't find any documentation on how to change the pinout
[03:31:45] <skunkworks> I didn't either.. I just show up to bullshit..
[03:31:54] <zeeshan> how old are you guys?
[03:31:55] <zeeshan> :P
[03:31:58] <Tom_itx> i did get the tour though
[03:32:09] <Tom_itx> older than dirt
[03:32:13] <skunkworks> well - I did bring the accupins stuff - and with the help of almost everyone I think - got them working
[03:32:18] <PetefromTn> I wish I could have made it to that meeting...
[03:32:20] <zeeshan> hehe
[03:32:33] <PetefromTn> I'm 43
[03:32:37] <Tom_itx> what day were you there?
[03:32:37] <Connor_iPad> What meeting?
[03:32:39] <zeeshan> you old farts
[03:32:40] <zeeshan> :D
[03:32:41] <skunkworks> I am only 40 ;)
[03:32:44] <zeeshan> how old is connor
[03:32:46] <zeeshan> connor sounds young
[03:32:54] <Connor_iPad> 38
[03:32:58] <Tom_itx> what a pup
[03:33:00] <zeeshan> haha, wow
[03:33:07] <zeeshan> am i the youngest here :{
[03:33:14] <PetefromTn> Really I thought you were younger than that man...
[03:33:17] <Connor_iPad> Why do I sound young?
[03:33:26] <skunkworks> Tom_itx: I don't remember - but I was there friday. We usually try to go for 4 or 5 days
[03:33:33] <zeeshan> connor i don't know lol
[03:33:34] <PetefromTn> you look kinda young honestly...
[03:33:47] <zeeshan> i just thought you were like my age
[03:33:51] <Connor_iPad> Let me shave my beard and mustache off.
[03:33:53] <zeeshan> im only 12
[03:34:17] <zeeshan> troll attempt failed. 29
[03:34:47] <skunkworks> I have a 1.5 year old... It keeps me young..;)
[03:34:55] <Connor_iPad> Wife forbade to shave off the mustache again.
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[03:35:33] <skunkworks> heh - my wife said I couldn't have a mustache.. (said I looked like a paedophile..)
[03:35:52] <Tom_itx> heh
[03:35:58] <Connor_iPad> Jack of all trades and master of none.
[03:36:15] <Tom_itx> skunkworks are you in any of the pics from there?
[03:36:26] <Connor_iPad> I still find myself drawing with pen/pencil and paper.
[03:36:33] <skunkworks> probably.. where are the pictures?
[03:36:40] <Tom_itx> i don't remembe
[03:36:40] <Tom_itx> r
[03:36:45] <skunkworks> oh - I probably have some somewhere
[03:36:47] <zeeshan> the strongest tool a person can own is a pen!
[03:36:53] <PetefromTn> I have a 12 year old and a six year old.. and two stepkids
[03:37:27] <PetefromTn> I prefer a mechanical pencil..
[03:37:50] <zeeshan> me too
[03:37:50] <skunkworks> zeeshan: http://electronicsam.com/images/turbo/
[03:38:13] <zeeshan> haha
[03:38:19] <zeeshan> did you seriously modify a turbine housing
[03:38:23] <zeeshan> to put in a larger turbine wheel
[03:38:51] <zeeshan> bad ass
[03:38:57] <skunkworks> yes
[03:39:08] <Tom_itx> somebody's gotta do it
[03:39:20] <skunkworks> well - I got 13t's from wrx to replace my 9b's
[03:39:21] <zeeshan> you could buy a new housing you know :P
[03:39:25] <zeeshan> oh
[03:39:26] <PetefromTn> I machined a turbo oiler once for a drag bike on a 3 in 1 machine.
[03:39:46] <skunkworks> http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/Fest2013/DSC_3801.JPG
[03:39:56] <skunkworks> andyp and jepler
[03:39:59] <UnderSampled> I have an old computer running old emc (from 2005), specifically with freqmod, and I want to reconfigure the parallel pinout so that X comes out of A and it acts like a three axis cartesian instead of a four axis with turntable. How do I do that?
[03:39:59] <PetefromTn> Bike ran 8's in the quarter and ran about a dozen runs before he blew the motor to pieces..
[03:40:08] <Tom_itx> yeah i figured those 2 out
[03:40:08] <zeeshan> skunkworks: http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/A35EA8A0-4559-4D08-9945-7D9957D23F40-3855-000004121F27C8F0_zpsb8fd11f5.jpg
[03:40:10] <zeeshan> :)
[03:40:42] <skunkworks> zeeshan: cool - what v8?
[03:40:49] <PetefromTn> Ooh that is pretty..
[03:40:52] <Tom_itx> i think i avoided all the cameras
[03:41:01] <zeeshan> lq9 (6L) from the lsx family
[03:41:02] <PetefromTn> who is that in the pic?
[03:41:29] <PetefromTn> Lets see some mugshots so we know who we are talkin' to....
[03:41:34] <zeeshan> haha
[03:41:35] <zeeshan> im hiding
[03:41:41] <PetefromTn> wuss..
[03:41:45] <zeeshan> i don't want you guys going 'we got a goddamn terrorist in here'
[03:41:47] <Tom_itx> zeeshan were you at the fest?
[03:41:49] <zeeshan> damn americans
[03:41:56] <zeeshan> no
[03:42:01] <skunkworks> I am farthest away on the left.. http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/Fest2013/DSC_3809.JPG
[03:42:20] <zeeshan> what arte you guys doing on the computers
[03:42:20] <UnderSampled> zeeshan: how'd you get access to solidworks?
[03:42:24] <skunkworks> cradek is sitting next to me
[03:42:28] <Tom_itx> skunkworks remember seeing you there
[03:42:30] <zeeshan> UnderSampled: "student license"
[03:42:35] <Tom_itx> so intent...
[03:42:39] <skunkworks> heh
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[03:43:07] <zeeshan> what are you guys doing
[03:43:13] <zeeshan> configuring linuxcnc?
[03:43:20] <morfic-> Good evening
[03:43:22] <Tom_itx> you can't tell??
[03:43:22] <zeeshan> =)
[03:43:24] <zeeshan> hahah
[03:43:33] <Connor_iPad> skunkworks: The white haired guy is you?
[03:43:49] <skunkworks> heh - yes. I have been white since college
[03:44:19] <Tom_itx> my kid's gonna do that too i bet
[03:44:20] <PetefromTn> Okay so skunkie is in the dark grey shirt in the first room on the end and cradek is next to him closer in..
[03:44:30] <Tom_itx> he's had a patch of white since near birth
[03:44:42] <Connor_iPad> Got the camera working with DRO overlay using camview.
[03:44:47] <skunkworks> I could lose 40lbs
[03:44:55] <zeeshan> give me the 40lbs
[03:44:56] <zeeshan> i need it
[03:44:59] <Tom_itx> who's next to andy in that pic?
[03:45:04] <Tom_itx> foreground
[03:45:30] <skunkworks> matts son, andy, jepler
[03:45:44] <zeeshan> i found the most retarded pic of me
[03:45:44] <zeeshan> haha
[03:45:47] <zeeshan> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/23u3acx-1.jpg
[03:45:51] <Tom_itx> who's across from him then?
[03:45:51] <PetefromTn> http://imagebin.org/295852
[03:45:54] <zeeshan> some people drink and drive. some people text and drive
[03:46:02] <zeeshan> and theres me laptoping and driving
[03:46:04] <morfic-> while it's not really linuxcnc, i know this is exactly what some guys in here do in their sleep, what circuit do i need if i want to use a single push button to control 3 output, push once, output1 is high, push again, output 2 is high, push again, output 3 is high, push again, all off again, can't come up with the right terms to have google find me what i want
[03:46:09] <skunkworks> heh - tuning!
[03:46:15] <zeeshan> haha
[03:46:18] <zeeshan> AEM EMS!
[03:46:26] <skunkworks> nice
[03:46:38] <skunkworks> I never could bring my self to spend the money..
[03:46:39] <Tom_itx> morfic- any number of things...
[03:46:43] <zeeshan> i got it dirt cheap
[03:46:51] <Tom_itx> a flipflop would do that
[03:47:09] <morfic-> smallest of those many solutions then, space is precious
[03:47:16] <zeeshan> PetefromTn is a happy guy
[03:47:17] <Tom_itx> an avr would too if programmed to do so
[03:47:19] <skunkworks> Wow - PetefromTn - I would have never guessed..
[03:47:33] <PetefromTn> huh whaddya mean ;)
[03:47:49] <Tom_itx> morfic- an attiny5 would, it's a sot23-6
[03:47:54] <Tom_itx> 4 io
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[03:48:05] <Tom_itx> 1 in 3 out
[03:48:07] <zeeshan> skunkworks: what was that meet about?
[03:48:13] <PetefromTn> That the same as andypugh?
[03:48:28] <skunkworks> I don't know what I was picturing - but not a clean cut guy.. :)
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[03:48:38] <PetefromTn> who me?
[03:48:47] <skunkworks> PetefromTn: yes
[03:49:14] <skunkworks> zeeshan: a bunch of linuxcnc developers get togather to hack (and a bunch of us users watch..)
[03:49:18] <morfic-> Tom_itx: anything without a microcontroler?
[03:49:26] <PetefromTn> LOL I spent a bunch of years in the US Coast Guard and never got used to having too much hair after that LOL...
[03:49:33] <zeeshan> haha thats cool
[03:49:54] <zeeshan> if i was there i would be trolling them
[03:50:12] <Tom_itx> seems there was alot more going on in the conference room than outside it
[03:50:20] <PetefromTn> What because I am PeteFromTn I should be a long haired redneck with buck teeth huh hehe
[03:50:20] <skunkworks> I do stand.. but http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/Fest2013/DSC_3814.JPG
[03:50:22] <morfic-> Tom_itx: i think my boss' eyes would glaze over the moment i say "and we can program it to do that"
[03:50:24] <tjtr33> morfic, hal logic, a counter that resets itself (0 1 2 3), a state machine
[03:50:33] <skunkworks> PetefromTn: maybe.. ;)
[03:50:41] <zeeshan> http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/Fest2013/DSC_3814.JPG <- andy looks like
[03:50:47] <skunkworks> business up front - party in the back..
[03:50:48] <zeeshan> "I CANNOT FIND THE GODDAMN BUG
[03:50:57] <morfic-> tjtr33: stand alone, not inside emc
[03:51:10] <zeeshan> where was the fest at?
[03:51:17] <tjtr33> hal is not inside emc ( not neccesarily )
[03:51:17] <PetefromTn> Andy who?
[03:51:22] <Tom_itx> pugh
[03:51:22] <zeeshan> isnt that andy?
[03:51:23] <zeeshan> lol
[03:51:34] <Tom_itx> at stuart's place
[03:51:35] <PetefromTn> Which one is he?
[03:51:37] <skunkworks> it has been in quite a few places.. But the the last time was at stuarts shop in wichita ks
[03:51:41] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn the brit
[03:51:50] <zeeshan> if i showed up in kansas i'd be shot
[03:52:06] <PetefromTn> yeah no kidding but which one in the picture LOL..
[03:52:25] <morfic-> tjtr33: i meant a small circuit to fit inside a match box, not around a pc :)
[03:52:26] <Tom_itx> http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/Fest2013/DSC_3814.JPG
[03:52:29] <Tom_itx> the middle one
[03:52:35] <zeeshan> honestly the last time i was in the states was in 2012 in outskirts of NY. i was at a dennys waiting for some takeout and a bunch of bikers walked by me and theyre like "sniff sniff.... smells like TALIBAN in here"
[03:52:36] <zeeshan> rofl
[03:52:43] <zeeshan> i started laughing but they were serious
[03:52:44] <zeeshan> ;[
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[03:52:52] <tjtr33> nah, they were watching Charles make Venus De Milo on the extruder
[03:52:56] <zeeshan> 2002 not 2012
[03:53:15] <tjtr33> morfic, then atmega or pic or arduino
[03:53:20] <PetefromTn> Okay so he has a high and tight like me then...No wonder I like him heheh
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[03:54:25] <skunkworks> zeeshan: that is sad.. Lots of idiots in the US
[03:54:46] <Tom_itx> they keep sending us more too
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[03:55:02] <PetefromTn> ROFL.
[03:55:21] <Tom_itx> morfic- it would be a good solution
[03:55:25] <Tom_itx> cost effective
[03:55:26] <PetefromTn> Tom so where is your picture man?
[03:55:38] <Tom_itx> i'm not in any of those
[03:55:47] <Tom_itx> that i have found
[03:56:03] <morfic-> price of those ATtiny are certainly not an issue
[03:56:08] <PetefromTn> I posted my mugshot with a shit eating grin so we need to see your smilin' face now too...
[03:56:25] <morfic-> i'd "just" have to learn how to actually use them ;P
[03:56:36] <Tom_itx> not difficult
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[03:57:00] <Tom_itx> decade counter might work too
[03:57:12] <tjtr33> asm isnt bad, but there's tinyC's and arduino / processing
[03:57:16] <PetefromTn> http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/Fest2013/DSC_3814.JPG Who's the guy in the foreground..
[03:57:39] <Tom_itx> i dunno
[03:57:47] <morfic-> motley: you wouldn't happen to build android kernels, would you?
[03:57:55] <tjtr33> wrote the hal gui, wrote rockhopper
[03:58:01] <skunkworks> PetefromTn: I don't remember his name.. He isn't on irc - he has developed an android app for controlling linuxcncn
[03:58:16] <PetefromTn> Okay cool..
[03:58:29] <Tom_itx> the dude with the reprap sure captured a croud
[03:58:47] <PetefromTn> is that in the other room there?
[03:58:54] <Tom_itx> yes
[03:59:37] <Tom_itx> morfic- you could do it with relays
[03:59:49] <skunkworks> that is Charles Steinkuehler - he has done a lot of the work on BBB
[04:00:05] <Tom_itx> yeah i knew he was working on BBB
[04:00:06] <tjtr33> the reprap guy is Charles S. He and Michael H are leading the machinekit effort
[04:00:25] <PetefromTn> Is he in that picture?
[04:00:27] <Tom_itx> no
[04:00:29] <morfic-> s/relays/transistors/ ?
[04:00:39] <Tom_itx> he sat by the front door most of when i was there
[04:01:10] <skunkworks> his head is actually right in front of cradeks..
[04:01:15] <skunkworks> glasses
[04:01:21] <PetefromTn> Nice to be able to put a face to the names here.
[04:01:24] <morfic-> Tom_itx: you got a hardings lathe? or am i thinking of the wrong guy? ("going up to the house and down to the machine"?)
[04:01:32] <Tom_itx> no
[04:01:48] <PetefromTn> Dark hair?4
[04:02:17] <morfic-> Tom_itx: dangit, haven't been in here in so long, the nick is familiar, but obviously my guesses are weak sauce
[04:02:38] <skunkworks> yes
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[04:03:02] <tjtr33> seems there was some effort to align names and pix right after the fest, it was deemed not wanted
[04:03:02] <Tom_itx> http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/Fest2013/DSC_3939.JPG
[04:03:07] <Tom_itx> is that cradek?
[04:03:27] <skunkworks> chris morley
[04:03:33] <Tom_itx> ahh ok
[04:03:34] <PetefromTn> In the chair?
[04:03:37] <skunkworks> yes
[04:03:44] <Tom_itx> i new it was one of the chris's
[04:03:46] <skunkworks> I am to the right
[04:04:02] <PetefromTn> holding the drink..
[04:04:05] <Tom_itx> holding the wall up
[04:04:10] <tjtr33> notabeer
[04:04:32] <skunkworks> you can just see mesa pete - to the right of me
[04:04:33] <PetefromTn> that must be charles head then in the foreground.
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[04:04:44] <cradek> pretty sure that's jmk's head
[04:04:47] <skunkworks> no - that is john k
[04:05:00] <PetefromTn> so PCW is the white beard guy...
[04:05:11] <Tom_itx> orange shirt?
[04:05:17] <tjtr33> john wont appreciate being identified by the pate
[04:05:26] <PetefromTn> LOL...
[04:05:33] <cradek> http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/Fest2013/DSC_3937.JPG
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[04:05:44] <cradek> much better picture of the same folks
[04:06:03] <skunkworks> that is a good picture.. I think dad dropped the camera or something...
[04:06:05] <cradek> if I remember right, sam's dad was struggling to take the photo and eat a donut at the same time
[04:06:06] <Tom_itx> that's pete in the doorway?
[04:06:12] <skunkworks> that was it :)
[04:06:16] <PetefromTn> so orange shirt is PCE
[04:06:19] <PetefromTn> PCW.
[04:06:21] <skunkworks> yes
[04:06:37] <skunkworks> cradek all the way to the right
[04:06:40] <Tom_itx> so how'd you get em all to smile at once?
[04:06:41] <zeeshan> are all those guys in the pic
[04:06:43] <zeeshan> programmers?
[04:06:44] <PetefromTn> whos in blue to the right..
[04:06:49] <cradek> me
[04:06:58] <PetefromTn> Hey man nice to meet ya LOL
[04:07:16] <zeeshan> someone brought a whole bag of apples
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[04:08:13] <PetefromTn> So that is the whole gang there Chris Morley, Chris Radek, Skunkie, PCW, hehehe...
[04:08:23] <zeeshan> the elites
[04:08:33] <skunkworks> and john K
[04:08:40] <Tom_itx> which is he?
[04:08:45] <PetefromTn> Was JT there?
[04:08:56] <Tom_itx> i saw his nametag but didn't see him
[04:08:58] <skunkworks> right in front of pcw
[04:08:58] <tjtr33> JMK dead ctr
[04:09:02] <morfic-> Tom_itx: http://www.arduino.cc/en/Tutorial/Switch#.Uw1oZnddXWo so instead of on /off controlling one output pin i could loop though an array of output pins (That code looks easy)
[04:09:07] <cradek> I have still never met jt
[04:09:21] <cradek> he may be a robot
[04:09:26] <PetefromTn> so he wasn't there I guess..
[04:09:39] <Tom_itx> may have come later
[04:09:51] <tjtr33> morfic if else pinball to get the 4 sequential states
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[04:10:06] <tjtr33> JT didnt come
[04:10:24] <PetefromTn> tjtr33: which one are you?
[04:10:29] <zeeshan> i thank the linuxcnc develoeprs
[04:10:30] <Tom_itx> i thought he might have come on the weekend since his tag was there
[04:10:38] <tjtr33> face erased by NSA :)
[04:10:42] <zeeshan> for making linuxcnc.
[04:10:54] <zeeshan> and giving me a better platform than mach 3:)
[04:10:58] <PetefromTn> exactly right...
[04:11:04] <Tom_itx> morfic- yeah the code would be pretty simple
[04:11:21] <zeeshan> hopefully i can somehow help in the future :)
[04:11:22] <tjtr33> http://fenn.freeshell.org/retrofest/dcp_0365.jpg
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[04:11:46] <zeeshan> i'm good with partial differential equations and numerical techniques
[04:12:27] <morfic-> Tom_itx: i'll see if i can google a fully analog circuit first (not that i had much luck so far)
[04:12:35] <Tom_itx> http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/Fest2013/DSC_3863.JPG
[04:12:38] <Tom_itx> there's stuart
[04:12:57] <skunkworks> and there is tjtr33...
[04:13:11] <PetefromTn> which ones?
[04:13:25] <skunkworks> left of stuart - standing
[04:13:36] <zeeshan> looks like someone has got gladevcp open
[04:14:07] <PetefromTn> huh which one is stuart?
[04:14:14] <Tom_itx> orange shirt
[04:14:16] <tjtr33> me stand stuart sit
[04:14:51] <zeeshan> i like how everyones using ethernet
[04:14:54] <morfic-> Tom_itx: if i could find more On-On-On-Off switches I'd be ok too :)
[04:14:56] <PetefromTn> Okay whats stuarts screen name here?
[04:14:57] <zeeshan> its like wireless cards are the devil
[04:14:58] <zeeshan> lol
[04:15:20] <tjtr33> doesnt come here (much) try the mail list
[04:15:23] <morfic-> zeeshan: they aren't?
[04:15:23] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn he doesn't frequent irc
[04:15:33] <zeeshan> all i see is ethernet cables everywhere
[04:15:34] <zeeshan> hehe
[04:15:39] <PetefromTn> Oh okay I thought he was someone in here...
[04:15:56] <PetefromTn> I need to network my home computers here.
[04:16:11] <PetefromTn> Gotta get my lappie talking to my deskie...
[04:16:13] <Tom_itx> i've got a 24port hub under the desk
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[04:16:38] <zeeshan> the cnc computer is got an ethernet cable connected to one of those power line adapters on the wall
[04:16:49] <zeeshan> thats the way i got around not using wireless on it
[04:16:57] <Tom_itx> http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/Fest2013/DSC_3870.JPG
[04:17:05] <Tom_itx> one of the early coders wasn't he?
[04:17:32] <zeeshan> you guys really love your mesa cards
[04:17:33] <zeeshan> eh
[04:17:36] <tjtr33> thats Matt, thank this man for getting emc outta NIST and into your hands!
[04:18:03] <PetefromTn> yeah eh..
[04:18:08] <zeeshan> i might use the mesa card for the mill
[04:18:14] <zeeshan> so i can do a 5axis!
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[04:18:36] <PetefromTn> wouldn't know where to begin with a five axis.
[04:18:57] <PetefromTn> who is the guy in the green shirt.
[04:19:22] <zeeshan> after seeing everyone's pic
[04:19:27] <zeeshan> now i know my generated sucks ass
[04:19:31] <zeeshan> *generation sucks ass.
[04:19:44] <Tom_itx> http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/Fest2013/DSC_3806.JPG
[04:19:53] <Tom_itx> finally found one of mharbler i think
[04:19:55] <zeeshan> i don't know a single person in my year of mech eng thats into machining
[04:20:06] <tjtr33> green shirt = Matts son
[04:20:35] <tjtr33> Jon Elson ctr looking at watch
[04:21:21] <tjtr33> MHA left , seated behind matt, john? standing up ( texas coder )
[04:21:38] <cradek> standing is zultron
[04:21:46] <Tom_itx> ok enough clicking for one night
[04:21:55] <tjtr33> zultron ( dang alien nicks )
[04:22:08] <PetefromTn> I find it interesting that there are so many people logged into this chat yet so few actually say anything...
[04:22:31] <jdh> and others who just say nothing useful!
[04:22:43] <Tom_itx> like me :)
[04:22:43] <cradek> hey be nice. I try.
[04:22:45] <PetefromTn> hehehe I resemble that remark..
[04:22:49] <tjtr33> nudge nudge
[04:23:21] <zeeshan> EMC Corporation proposed that the LinuxCNC project, as previously named, would be confusing for customers or potential customers with their (mainly) storage related products.
[04:23:23] <zeeshan> haha are you serious
[04:23:25] <Connor_iPad> Hey now
[04:23:30] <PetefromTn> I try too ...my mommy says I am VERY trying....
[04:23:43] <tjtr33> gnite all
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[04:23:56] <PetefromTn> Nite tjtr33
[04:24:07] <Connor_iPad> Yea. That was a bunch of bs
[04:24:15] <zeeshan> just reading the history of it
[04:24:18] <zeeshan> and im suprised..
[04:24:22] <zeeshan> "The EMC Public Domain software system was originally developed by NIST"
[04:24:37] <zeeshan> usually nist isn't particularly known for having public software
[04:24:46] <zeeshan> i have a bunch of their interpolators
[04:24:49] <zeeshan> and they're all private code.
[04:25:04] <zeeshan> had to use their papers to write the code in matlab
[04:25:13] <morfic-> PetefromTn: i used to let my client idle in here just to log and later i would grep the logs to find answers, helped a lot, maybe the rest does the same?
[04:25:38] <PetefromTn> possibly...I come here to learn and shoot the shit LOL
[04:26:08] <PetefromTn> Never been on an IRC before this.
[04:26:38] <PetefromTn> what does grep mean?
[04:26:51] <zeeshan> searches text data
[04:27:15] <PetefromTn> http://imagebin.org/295852 Handsome fella huh....HUH....sigh.
[04:27:18] <zeeshan> like in the command lime you can go "dmesg | grep pci"
[04:27:28] <zeeshan> and itll show you all the lines where pci shows up on the dmesg
[04:28:22] <PetefromTn> how do you make that tall I symbol?
[04:28:39] <zeeshan> on my keyboard shift + \ key
[04:29:07] <PetefromTn> huh never done that before.
[04:29:26] <PetefromTn> dmesg | grep pcw
[04:29:41] <PetefromTn> hehehehehe
[04:30:03] <PetefromTn> I must be tired little things are starting to amuse me.
[04:30:21] <zeeshan> i used to use slackware 7 to 10
[04:30:24] <zeeshan> and it was not usefriendly at all
[04:30:30] <zeeshan> you had to learn all these commands to even do anything
[04:30:59] <zeeshan> so coming back to ubuntu from windows after a long time wasn't too bad
[04:31:07] <zeeshan> its way more develoepd now
[04:31:17] <PetefromTn> jeez man who makes up the names for this stuff...
[04:31:42] <PetefromTn> I mean where do you come up with UBUNTU LOL...
[04:32:13] <zeeshan> well in philisophy it means "an ethical concept"
[04:32:17] <PetefromTn> apologies if it was one of you guys of course ;)
[04:32:43] <PetefromTn> interesting, did not know that.
[04:32:45] <zeeshan> Ubuntu (/?'b?ntu?/ uu-BUUN-too)[7][8] is a Debian-based Linux operating system, with Unity as its default desktop environment (formerly GNOME). It is based on free software and named after the Southern African philosophy of ubuntu (literally, "human-ness"), which often is translated as "humanity towards others"
[04:33:05] <zeeshan> =D
[04:34:02] <PetefromTn> I bought that RS232-RS485 adapter the other day man should get here soon...
[04:34:18] <zeeshan> did connor get the driver compiled
[04:34:27] <Connor_iPad> OT yet
[04:34:30] <PetefromTn> I don't think so he was having some problems.
[04:34:36] <Connor_iPad> Not yet
[04:34:37] <zeeshan> just write the driver man
[04:34:39] <zeeshan> itll be faster :)
[04:36:01] <Connor_iPad> Yea. Well.
[04:36:13] <PetefromTn> Can't wait to have a spindle meter and load meter and schtuff...
[04:36:19] <Connor_iPad> Bit busy I
[04:36:39] <Connor_iPad> I'll rework it to be stand alone.
[04:36:45] <zeeshan> for sure
[04:37:04] <zeeshan> i tried reading through the userspace component stuff
[04:37:07] <zeeshan> and it looks like a hassle
[04:37:22] <zeeshan> mainly cause i dont understand it
[04:37:31] <PetefromTn> you too...LOL
[04:38:28] <zeeshan> the way kirk wallace wrote the driver
[04:38:40] <zeeshan> a moderate programmer can understand it
[04:38:47] <zeeshan> you don't need to be super advanced :P
[04:40:33] <PetefromTn> you mean Curtis Dutton?
[04:40:41] <zeeshan> no
[04:40:48] <zeeshan> he wrote your driver
[04:40:51] <PetefromTn> hehe
[04:41:04] <zeeshan> kirk wrote a driver that could read only
[04:41:05] <zeeshan> but not write
[04:42:01] <PetefromTn> Well folks I better get to bed. NIce chatting with all of you tonight.
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[04:42:52] <morfic-> Tom_itx: you rock, i didn't pick up on decade counter since it meant nothing to me, but after much googling, the closest IC is a decade counter :)
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[04:44:36] <Tom_itx> i still think the attiny5 would be the trick
[04:46:28] <morfic-> for what simple i want i think something i can wire and not program is what we'd want (yes, the at tiny stuff most certainly could from what i looked at)
[04:47:28] <Connor_iPad> morfic-: What are you building?
[04:47:58] <Tom_itx> single input 3 output switch
[04:48:02] <Tom_itx> toggle
[04:48:40] <morfic-> Connor_iPad: Tom_itx is 100% correct
[04:48:49] <Connor_iPad> Yea. But for what?
[04:49:00] <Tom_itx> gnite
[04:49:03] <morfic-> controlling lights
[04:49:09] <morfic-> Tom_itx: g'night and thanks
[04:50:19] <morfic-> Connor_iPad: i no longer work on emc2, but i knew someone in here will lead me in the right direction based on what i experienced when i did
[04:50:35] <Connor_iPad> Hy not?
[04:50:45] <Connor_iPad> Err why not?
[04:52:18] <Connor_iPad> Why you no longer doing anything with emc? morfic-
[04:52:35] <morfic-> i got booted off the project by my ex boss because i spooked him to replying to the contractor we hired, but didn't hit reply all, so boss saw my reply when the contraactor replied to me and CC: my boss back on
[04:53:23] <morfic-> from what i heard, they still don't have that moriseiki doing anything now
[04:54:03] <morfic-> but the contractor used to be on irc, he should know more about it than me, his nick is something with "bear" in it, but don't recall his full nick
[04:54:34] <morfic-> but he walked into the company "oh, so you are morfic", one of the two times someone called me that in real life :)
[04:55:32] <Connor_iPad> I followed most of that except for the email part.
[04:55:37] <morfic-> Connor_iPad: still scared of them using optical touch screens on a machine tool that can kill someone
[04:56:03] <Connor_iPad> As long as it has a estop what's the problem?
[04:56:28] <Connor_iPad> Mine will have a touch screen.
[04:57:57] <morfic-> Connor_iPad: contractor had a few questions of what to prep before coming in and i told him that the actual UI layout doesn't have to be all done, since we can change it to our liking anyway, i mentioned how the UI Would be a locked down simple WM instead of a full DE, all stuff my boss didn't understand and he told my manager that he thought i want to "take over the project", i just tried to keep the project on track since the boss was on a cruise
[04:57:57] <morfic-> ship at the time and had a detailed list of things he wants to see done when he gets back
[04:58:10] <morfic-> Connor_iPad: optical is what scares me
[04:59:15] <morfic-> it's neither resistive nor capacitive, optical, as in a fly landing on the screen will push buttons as will any dust ball falling from the ceiling, a chip flying on the screen from adjacent machine etc.
[05:00:41] <Connor> No sure I follow when you mean optical.. you mean like a IR based one ?
[05:00:59] <morfic-> not sure what light is used, but the touches are sensed by light
[05:01:12] <Connor> IR then.
[05:01:22] <Connor> They're really good.. what's your concern ?
[05:01:31] <Connor> as long as not used in direct sunlight
[05:01:56] <morfic-> i knew optical meant it sees anything but a fly landing on the 2nd screen stole the mouse cursor to the other screen, so a fly , dust balls, chips will be able to "push a button"
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[05:02:37] <Connor> you saying that happened ?
[05:02:54] <morfic-> yes, while i was working on the X Driver for the touch screen
[05:03:29] <Connor> I'm not sure ANYTHING can do that.. I think it has to have some heat..
[05:03:30] <morfic-> i found one that almost worked and was able to modify it to work with the screens, and while i tested i had a small fly trigger button pushes all over the screen
[05:03:50] <morfic-> i'm talking about what i saw, not about what i speculate about :)
[05:04:11] <morfic-> it already happened
[05:04:39] <Connor> Mine is a resistance one. so, that not going to happen
[05:04:55] <morfic-> right, that's what i thought we'd get
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[05:06:01] <morfic-> but then boss wanted 2 19" monitors instead of a mouse, which is great, he just bought two without asking if it's supported and it wasn't, there was a half working driver i found and it was easy to work on and so he lucid out on the driver side
[05:06:15] <morfic-> so we ended up with optical screens
[05:06:26] <morfic-> so we ended up with optical *touch* screens
[05:06:37] <morfic-> i guess most screens are optical :P
[05:06:39] <Connor> WooT! I got the sj200_vfd to compile..
[05:07:13] <Connor> Elo the best brand for touch.
[05:07:19] <Connor> They do ALL kinds.
[05:08:01] <morfic-> that works for a rational boss who listens
[05:10:47] <morfic-> like the spindle servo that's WAY oversized
[05:11:37] <Connor> you can lead a horse to water, but can't make them drink
[05:12:04] <morfic-> imagine you warning your boss
[05:12:17] <morfic-> then the huge servo sits in the frame
[05:12:32] <morfic-> "why did we buy such a large servo??"
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[07:56:39] <Deejay> moin
[07:56:54] <Deejay> greetings Jymmm :)
[07:57:09] <Jymmm> mornin
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[12:07:45] <jthornton> morning
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[12:48:02] <Tom_itx> dusting of snow here
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[12:51:32] <PetefromTn> mornin'!
[12:51:49] <Tom_itx> white one
[12:52:20] * jthornton has not looked outside yet... but it is supposed to be clear and 30F
[12:52:21] <PetefromTn> snow??
[12:52:44] <jthornton> and a crappy weekend is on the way\
[12:52:57] <PetefromTn> aw man think positive....
[12:54:21] <jthornton> I will work on something in the shop for sure... maybe fire up the splitter for the first time
[12:54:33] <PetefromTn> sweet.
[12:54:55] <PetefromTn> I am trying to get this model finished so I can try to machine it.
[12:56:05] <skunkworks> PetefromTn, what is your cad/cam?
[12:57:01] <PetefromTn> skunkworks: I am forced to use cheap stuff currently unfortunately but I am using freecad and CamBam.
[12:57:26] <skunkworks> cheap is the way I roll!
[12:57:28] <Tom_itx> 10 F
[12:57:46] <PetefromTn> yeah me too man.. I honestly love that some is open source..
[12:58:05] <PetefromTn> Tom_itx: Damn that sucks... but we were colder than that here for a good while.
[12:58:16] <Tom_itx> way i look at what i got is i basically got it free... paid for itself in the first year
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[12:58:19] <PetefromTn> what do you use for cad cam?
[12:58:47] <Tom_itx> now i can use it's benefits from here on
[12:58:56] <PetefromTn> Tom_itx: If I had some kinda prospects for real work I would absolutely ante up but until that happens I gotta be careful with money.
[12:59:09] <Tom_itx> i know, i did the same thing
[13:00:12] <Tom_itx> on another note... WSU, our local Uni went 30-0 last night final game
[13:00:18] <PetefromTn> The good news is now that the machine is running and I can make cool parts I am hoping to find someone who has some light to medium production work they need done.
[13:00:53] <Tom_itx> undefeated
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[13:08:34] <PetefromTn> Hoping to get that RS232-RS485 adapter today or tomorrow so I can start working on the modbus spindle control. Still gotta figure out what sorta cable to use for it as apparently I do not use the RJ45 terminal on the VFD rather some screw terminals...
[13:08:58] <Tom_itx> that's an easy fix...
[13:09:04] <Tom_itx> cut the end off an RJ45
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[13:11:10] <PetefromTn> it needs to be shielded and the other end of the RS485 is apparently some kinda DB..
[13:14:51] <PetefromTn> The VFD takes something like Sn and Sb and Ground..
[13:15:04] <PetefromTn> Sp rather..
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[13:33:38] <PetefromTn> It's so sad Harold Ramis died, he was really funny guy.
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[13:49:47] <PetefromTn> http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/0/2986/954517-ghostbusters_2_slimer_bill_murray_statue_of_libert1.jpg
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[14:33:31] <zeeshan> PetefromTn: it doesnt need to be shielded
[14:33:34] <zeeshan> its a differential signal
[14:33:52] <PetefromTn> yeah but could it hurt LOL?
[14:34:47] <zeeshan> i dunno where you'd ground the shileding
[14:34:50] <zeeshan> http://img.tomshardware.com/us/2004/11/29/the_tft_connection/differential-signal.jpg
[14:35:05] <zeeshan> note how both wires wiill see noise
[14:35:07] <zeeshan> and it cancels out
[14:36:37] <PetefromTn> I figured it was going to be a DB connector and you usually ground the shielding on the metal housing as I recall..
[14:37:48] <PetefromTn> This is going from a rather large VFD directly to my computer up front so I thought it was a good idea. If it is not necessary perhaps I will reconsider but if I do it and only accomplish nothing more than making me feel better about it then it was worth it I suppose.
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[14:43:29] <PetefromTn> zeeshan: how is your VFD working?
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[14:53:39] <zeeshan> good man!
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[14:54:03] <zeeshan> PetefromTn: you can put shielding if you want
[14:54:13] <PetefromTn> LOL
[14:54:18] <zeeshan> =D
[14:54:28] <zeeshan> but im running 20 feet of rj11 cable
[14:54:32] <zeeshan> and it hasnt been an issue
[14:54:46] <zeeshan> modbus has some error checking in it
[14:54:46] <PetefromTn> I will be more like 11 feet here..
[14:54:53] <PetefromTn> Oh really?
[14:55:14] <zeeshan> yea it uses that crc field
[14:55:16] <zeeshan> for error checking
[14:55:36] <zeeshan> fak im late for class
[14:55:38] <zeeshan> bbl!
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[14:56:02] <JT-Shop> anyone seen my stapler?
[14:56:39] <PetefromTn> sure it is right where you left it...
[14:57:30] <archivist> JT-Shop, next to my missing pivot file?
[14:58:38] <archivist> finding all sorts but the damned file
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[14:58:55] <JT-Shop> found it next to the coil of cannon fuse
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[15:01:35] <PetefromTn> Hey I need some cannon fuse..
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[15:02:59] <Jymmm> Hey, I have a bunch of safety fuse
[15:03:41] <skunkworks> logger[
[15:03:45] <skunkworks> logger[mah]_,
[15:03:45] <logger[mah]_> skunkworks: Log stored at http://linuxcnc.mah.priv.at/irc/%23linuxcnc/2014-02-26.html
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[15:10:03] <PetefromTn> What does that logger [mah] stuff mean...
[15:10:21] <Jymmm> PetefromTn: click the link
[15:10:22] <JT-Shop> click on the link
[15:10:46] <PetefromTn> Yeah I did and I know what the log is but why does he keep saying it..
[15:11:17] <Jymmm> PetefromTn: Se he can see what conversations occured while he was away
[15:11:29] <PetefromTn> oh okay..
[15:11:40] <PetefromTn> logger[mah]
[15:11:40] <logger[mah]_> PetefromTn: Log stored at http://linuxcnc.mah.priv.at/irc/%23linuxcnc/2014-02-26.html
[15:12:35] <PetefromTn> I so don't know all this IRC chatter stuff..
[15:13:07] <Jymmm> IT's just a bot that logs conversation in the channel is all
[15:13:34] <Jymmm> It's a MiniNSA
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[15:16:26] <PetefromTn> hehe
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[15:16:41] <cradek> a bot is a program that connects to the channel just like a person does. this one does only two things: it makes transcripts of the channel and puts them on the web so they are searchable, and if you talk to it at all, it responds with the URL.
[15:16:51] <archivist> bookmark
[15:16:52] <the_wench> yet another log is at http://emclog.archivist.info/
[15:17:16] <cradek> ok we have several bots
[15:18:24] <Jymmm> beer me
[15:18:32] <Jymmm> damn
[15:18:49] <PetefromTn> thanks guys now I understand.
[15:18:51] <Jymmm> No beer bot <sniff>
[15:19:05] <PetefromTn> we need a lemonade bot ;)
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[15:19:43] <Jymmm> PetefromTn: That's what 10yo's are for, with cardboard sign of course.
[15:20:03] <PetefromTn> Hey I got some of those....
[15:20:15] <archivist> being a serving wench at least one version had beer
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[15:21:25] <archivist> one day I might upgrade its !man for this channel
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[15:23:48] <PetefromTn> Where's R2e3..
[15:24:18] <archivist> machining c3p0
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[15:24:41] <Jymmm> <rimshot>
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[15:28:42] <PetefromTn> ba dum bum.
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[15:33:05] <PetefromTn> http://imagebin.org/295968 Does this look decent?
[15:33:50] <Jymmm> is that a linear rail with slots?
[15:34:16] <PetefromTn> yeah..
[15:34:23] <Jymmm> why the slots?
[15:34:31] <PetefromTn> its a scope riser..
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[15:34:56] <PetefromTn> mounts a scope to a rifle but raises it up.
[15:34:58] <Jymmm> Ah, so it's NOT a linear rail
[15:35:08] <PetefromTn> well it is KINDA a linear rail..
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[15:35:23] <Jymmm> Not really =)
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[15:35:43] <Jymmm> for what ar15 ?
[15:35:46] <PetefromTn> well it is a SCOPE rail that is linear.
[15:36:00] <Jymmm> Nuh Uh
[15:36:28] <PetefromTn> http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z67/freddiev_bucket/FWBP70Field500433.jpg
[15:36:52] <Jymmm> ah
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[15:39:48] <PetefromTn> man this 3d drawing can be frustrating for me..
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[15:47:54] <Jymmm> Just take your time with it
[15:48:45] <PetefromTn> yeah I know... MY biggest problem is not actually creating the model it is when I try to go back in and make changes that I screw stuff up. But I need to make changes all the time until I like it.
[15:49:08] <PetefromTn> What happens is I lose stuff and constraints get conflicted.
[15:49:32] <Jymmm> lose stuff?
[15:50:23] <PetefromTn> yeah actually like that drawing I showed just a bit ago actually had a bunch of holes instead of slots in it and when I changed it to slots I could not get rid of the holes
[15:51:02] <PetefromTn> Then when i found the part of the tree that had the holes drawing I deleted it and other stuff got lost that was part of it.. I guess I don't understand how to work with the tree...
[15:51:41] <Jymmm> what other stuff?
[15:51:54] <PetefromTn> champfers and radiuses..
[15:52:22] <Jymmm> of the slots?
[15:52:31] <PetefromTn> no the holes.
[15:52:58] <PetefromTn> then that causes alarm messages that say the entity has nothing to tie it to..
[15:53:01] <Jymmm> Well wait, if you remove the holes, why do you still need the radius?
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[15:53:54] <Jymmm> es
[15:53:57] <PetefromTn> I don't but the champfers are on the same face of the material so when you delete that op somehow everything that is part of it gets screwed up. It is like it is still there but you cannot make it go back to the way it was.
[15:55:42] <PetefromTn> I just screwed it up not knowing what I am doing basically. It was looking decent too. Just did the same thing to that drawing I just posted too now hehehe... Man I suck.
[15:56:21] <Jymmm> Just save different revisions; I simply use date/time appended to the filename for simplicity
[15:56:26] <PetefromTn> I thought the slots were too low so I went back into the drawing and modified the sketch that had the slots in it and then the champfers were screwed up...
[15:57:56] <Jymmm> Eh, you'll get used to it. Just takes time.
[15:58:34] <PetefromTn> yeah I hope so I need to get this part designed and machined soon tho.. I just had a neat idea for the part I want to incorporate so I guess it is start over time...
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[16:28:37] <Connor> PetefromTn: Ctrl-Z can be your friend.. Undo Undo Undo! :)
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[16:28:55] <PetefromTn> yeah I know man we are GOOD friends hehehe.
[16:29:26] <PetefromTn> Can't seem to get anyone to answer my questions on Freecad IRC lately tho...
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[16:54:55] <JT-Shop> I hate when that happens
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[17:05:19] <jthornton> Tom_itx, it saves now
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[17:16:53] <PetefromTn> AAAAAAaaaaahhhhhhh I am about to toss this laptop out the freakin' window with this 3d drawing...jeez..
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[17:19:35] <jthornton> does it have to be in 3d?
[17:20:06] <PetefromTn> no but I need to learn this SCHTUFF>.
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[17:24:42] <jdh> how did you get me in there?
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[17:25:52] <PetefromTn> jdh: huh?
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[17:26:08] <jdh> Pete: I have problems with typing in the wrong channle.
[17:26:23] <jdh> https://plus.google.com/photos/112430417093824344570/albums/5946552813044615169
[17:26:29] <jdh> like that... wrong window again.
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[17:27:49] <PetefromTn> been there...
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[17:56:11] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
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[18:04:15] <IchGuckLive> kb8wmc: hi ;-)
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[18:04:30] <kb8wmc> hello there sir, how are you today
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[18:05:08] <IchGuckLive> raining outside did the hole day java programming on a farmers app
[18:05:37] <kb8wmc> that will be useful....you have much snow?
[18:05:56] <IchGuckLive> not a single flake on the ground this year
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[18:21:21] <PetefromTn> http://imagebin.org/296003 Lookin' a little better now..
[18:21:35] <PetefromTn> Downloaded the newest version and it seems to be a bit less buggy...
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[18:36:59] <humble_sea_bass> how far is freecad from SW or NX
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[18:41:48] <PetefromTn> right now a ways but the price is nice...
[18:42:08] <PetefromTn> The basic 3d stuff is all there tho and the newest version I can already see is much better...
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[18:54:40] <humble_sea_bass> i should donate some dollars. the world needs this
[18:56:19] <IchGuckLive> PetefromTn: did awallin implement the g-code genrreatr already
[18:56:30] <IchGuckLive> in the new version
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[19:00:37] <PetefromTn> dunno man I am still new to this and as far as I know the cam part is a ways off..
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[19:03:12] <IchGuckLive> hi dnaleromj ;-)
[19:03:26] <dnaleromj> heyo!
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[19:03:32] <dnaleromj> i lurk
[19:03:45] <IchGuckLive> jetleg PC
[19:04:20] <IchGuckLive> ok im off i need to move on PiZZA is Ready !!!
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[19:04:44] <PetefromTn> Speakin of Pizza...
[19:06:14] <humble_sea_bass> rhinocam, for being a professional product sure feels like it is held together with twine and masking tape
[19:07:13] <JT-Shop> you should try Bob Crap
[19:07:31] <_methods> damn M2 tool steel
[19:07:33] <_methods> https://www.dropbox.com/s/48r9wcw37vj9yxa/2014-02-26%2013.40.07.jpg
[19:07:36] <_methods> pissin me off
[19:10:14] <PetefromTn> really I always heard Rhino was decent...Never tried it myself.
[19:10:42] <PetefromTn> methods...doesn't M2 need to be ground?
[19:10:55] <_methods> nah
[19:10:58] <_methods> you can machine it
[19:11:01] <_methods> just sucks
[19:11:21] <_methods> work hardens if you look at it funny
[19:11:31] <PetefromTn> it's a percentage of cobalt no?
[19:11:48] <_methods> not sure
[19:12:17] <PetefromTn> what facemill is that? perhaps try a 45 degree?
[19:12:25] <_methods> i'm switchin to 45 now
[19:12:29] <_methods> it's an R390
[19:12:36] <_methods> but going to R245 now
[19:13:05] <PetefromTn> I need to get me a nice facemill in here soon..
[19:13:24] <_methods> stick to the common inserts
[19:13:26] <humble_sea_bass> i tried bobcad and wanted to off myself. I can't believe ppl use it, much less buy it
[19:14:13] <humble_sea_bass> rhino is a really cool cad package, but be prepared to be frustrated by weird nurbs eccentricities, and the fact that it isn't parametric
[19:16:20] <awallin> _methods: wow! either you have some real talent for breaking tools, or M2 is really hard :) I haven't seen that before, but mostly using manual machines so you know/feel when to back off...
[19:17:06] <_methods> yeah i kinda figured i might lose one
[19:17:11] <_methods> started to sound rough
[19:17:20] <_methods> but i wanted to finish the cycle
[19:18:20] <Tom_itx> paid the price too
[19:18:47] <humble_sea_bass> you only pay if it goes wrong, right
[19:18:51] <awallin> does the tool glow red when that happens?
[19:18:52] <_methods> indeed
[19:18:58] <_methods> well off to run the 45
[19:19:04] <_methods> see if it goes any better lol
[19:19:19] <PetefromTn> humble_sea_bass: Rhino is not parametric huh..
[19:19:47] <humble_sea_bass> there is a plugin you can buy that will give it parametric abilities, but no
[19:20:12] <humble_sea_bass> like once you punch a hole in something that shit stays punched
[19:20:28] <PetefromTn> can you delete easily?
[19:20:40] <humble_sea_bass> so you create your own history by making copies onto layers etc
[19:21:20] <humble_sea_bass> deleting is easy, the problem is that their definition of solid is water tightness
[19:21:44] <humble_sea_bass> and the solid is really just a watertight shell, grouped together
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[19:22:25] <humble_sea_bass> so upon deleting you usually have to go back and patch the hole etc
[19:23:06] <PetefromTn> Patch the Hole??? No shit that sucks,,
[19:24:05] <humble_sea_bass> yeah. it is a different work flow. all these problems can be mitigated, but it isnt like parametric when you realize something needs to be shorter etc.
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[19:25:16] <Tom_itx> don't make mistakes :)
[19:25:25] <PetefromTn> Honestly I like the parametrics I just don't know what the hell I am doing so take that with a grain of salt when it comes to judging freecad. I am just getting started with 3d modeling. I will say however that I have been able to do more with that program than I ever have before..
[19:25:49] <Tom_itx> does it run under linux or windows?
[19:25:57] <PetefromTn> either..
[19:26:34] <PetefromTn> better under linux apparently but I am using a windows 8 laptop...
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[21:36:50] <JT-Shop> PetefromTn, got your 3-d sorted out?
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[21:41:15] <Connor> PetefromTn, zeeshan: I got the wj200_vfd to compile on my sim
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[21:47:16] <humble_sea_bass> got a nogaflex indicator holder
[21:47:25] <humble_sea_bass> quality of life improving
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[21:51:59] <JT-Shop> nogaflex is nice
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[21:52:48] <MrSunshine> hmm negative endmills for wood .. feels like they would pack chips quite hard at the bottom or am i wrong here ?
[21:54:13] <MrSunshine> downcut
[21:55:54] <humble_sea_bass> depends on your grain
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[21:57:50] <humble_sea_bass> positive will give you optimal shearing, so I'd roll with that
[21:57:59] <MrSunshine> or will it "eject" them backwards just like a straight flute does?
[21:58:17] <humble_sea_bass> unless i was dealing with something stupid like ipe wood
[21:58:29] <MrSunshine> humble_sea_bass, yes but an upcut also will pull the material upwards so working with thin material and no vacuum table im afraid im in for trouble =)
[21:58:34] <MrSunshine> ipe ?
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[21:59:23] <humble_sea_bass> ipe is a brazilian hardwood
[21:59:26] <Kayaking4autism> I'm looking for a couple of rotating bearings with 100mm bore any ideas?
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[22:00:13] <Connor> I need to suspend some unistrut from a beam.. The current way I have it, is I have lag bolts going into L brackets and then bolted to the bottom of the strut, so, the lags are in sheer. But, I need to suspend it lengthwise on the beam, so the lag screws will go up into the beam..
[22:00:21] <Connor> I'm wondering how much weight they can support...
[22:00:47] <Connor> would be rather large ones.. 1/2 dia lags..
[22:01:08] <Connor> I'll probably have to drill pilot holes..
[22:01:33] <humble_sea_bass> http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10000872396390444868204578063091931357384
[22:01:37] <MrSunshine> want to try some carbide spiral bits but im afraid i will destroy them :(
[22:01:42] <MrSunshine> expensive like hell =)
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[22:03:49] <humble_sea_bass> how are the bearings rotatating. paralel or perpendicular to the floor?
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[22:04:25] <Connor> humble_sea_bass: Who you talking to?
[22:04:35] <humble_sea_bass> you
[22:04:47] <Connor> What bearings?
[22:04:57] <humble_sea_bass> oh shit
[22:05:10] <humble_sea_bass> i combined Kayaking4autism and your comment
[22:05:15] <humble_sea_bass> nevermind.
[22:05:44] <Kayaking4autism> two parallel two perpendicular
[22:05:49] <Connor> Trying to find something that will tell be load of a lag bolt in tension.
[22:06:26] <humble_sea_bass> conoor, look at all the hilti shit. it has tear out strength ratings
[22:06:48] <Connor> will be using it to pick up my mill, need around 300lbs.
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[22:07:40] <humble_sea_bass> Kayaking4autism: you're gonna have to mcmaster that problaby
[22:07:42] <Connor> Honestly, I wish I had 2 more unistrusts.. I would make a X / Y gantry.
[22:07:54] <andypugh> Kayaking4autism: 100mm bearings are readily available. They just cost a lot of money. Or are you after a cheap alternative?
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[22:08:57] <andypugh> Actually, less money than I guessed: http://simplybearings.co.uk/shop/p170380/6020+Budget+Open+Type+Deep+Groove+Ball+Bearing+100x150x24mm/product_info.html
[22:10:38] <Kayaking4autism> They're perfect!
[22:10:47] <Kayaking4autism> Do they ship to Cyprus?
[22:11:16] <andypugh> I would expect so.
[22:12:39] <Kayaking4autism> Shipping's a bit pricey, 180 quid for 4 of em, does the trick. But just out of interest, can you think of a scrap machine that would have a similar bearing already?
[22:12:59] <humble_sea_bass> Connor: are you anchoring into wood or concrete
[22:13:08] <Connor> Wood
[22:13:33] <andypugh> Shipping is £80? That seems steep
[22:14:03] <Kayaking4autism> And 30 quid for VAT
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[22:14:28] <Kayaking4autism> I wish I could ring up and say "Umm I don't consent to pay VAT, it's illegal under the Magna Carter and it's funding illegal wars"
[22:14:35] <andypugh> Now you know it is 6020, try your local eBay.
[22:14:49] <andypugh> Can you buy these?
[22:14:50] <andypugh> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/6020C3-NTN-New-Single-Row-Ball-Bearing-/301095960685?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item461ab7c06d#shpCntId
[22:15:38] <humble_sea_bass> if you're doing 300 lbs you should be good if you distribute the load by using several lags. but those lags would hold better in shear than in tension for what it is worth
[22:15:39] <andypugh> I am suspicious that David Brown didn't mean to give them away....
[22:15:55] <Kayaking4autism> They're ideal! half the price, perfect for what I want but the shipping is not specified although he will do Cyprus
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[22:16:12] <Deejay> gn8
[22:16:15] <Kayaking4autism> This is going to hold a 4 meter dish in high winds
[22:16:21] <humble_sea_bass> and if you wanna break out a calculator you can work out your theoretical pull out strength based on wood species and bolt diameter from here http://www.fpl.fs.fed.us/documnts/fplgtr/fplgtr190/chapter_08.pdf
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[22:16:51] <Connor> humble_sea_bass: I know.. Now way to do in sheer.. unistut going on the bottom of the beam. lags on each end. It's a one time use thing.. just to move the mill off my bench and onto the stand.
[22:17:16] <Connor> can't put lag in middle because it'll stop the rollers.
[22:17:53] <Connor> I'll probably use 2 1/2" lags
[22:17:59] <Connor> 1/2" diamater
[22:18:06] <Connor> I think. I'll have to look and see what I have.
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[22:30:15] <tjb1> xbox
[22:34:33] <PetefromTn> meh just lift the damn thing up it is just an 0704 LOL....
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[22:35:11] <PetefromTn> Or I can loan ya my engine crane..
[22:36:07] <PetefromTn> JT-Shop: Sort of I finished the drawing and sent it to the customer and he loved it. SO I guess that is a good thing. Now I gotta figure out how to machine it.
[22:36:16] <Connor> PetefromTn: Too Heavy.. Don't want to take apart.. and, room not large enough for engine hoist.
[22:36:45] <PetefromTn> so grab a friend and double team it..
[22:37:26] <PetefromTn> how much does it weigh?
[22:37:34] <Connor> Best way to lift is from the head.. so as to not bend the table.. no real easy way to pick it up.. This'll work.. I can use a come along with my track.. and will be good
[22:37:39] <Connor> 250 to 300lbs
[22:37:54] <PetefromTn> bend the table??
[22:38:09] <PetefromTn> is it not cast iron?
[22:38:42] <andypugh> Hmm, 115kg, quite a lift.
[22:39:09] <Connor> Dude.. I'm telling you.. no freaking room.. Let me go take a picture...
[22:39:11] <Connor> brb
[22:39:58] <andypugh> I shifted my lathe bed from the garage to the house using a cargo strap round my shoulders. That was only 175lb, but then I drive a desk and eschew excercise :-)
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[22:41:44] <PetefromTn> andypugh: I am just kinda bustin his chops man... LOL
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[22:41:59] <andypugh> First tip for lifting heavy things. Put on overalls so that you don't mind getting good and close to it :-)
[22:42:31] <Connor> PetefromTn: so grab a friend and double team it.. ----> best watch it.. I'll have to grab YOU to help! :)
[22:42:42] <PetefromTn> I used to manhandle my RF45 around the shop and lifted the column and base myself..
[22:43:03] <Jymmm> andypugh: "Overalls, The condom for those that like to get down and dirty!"
[22:43:04] <PetefromTn> Connor: Hey man if there is pizza involved I would consider it. I like meat lovers...
[22:43:15] <Connor> I have bad back.. not going to risk it.. going to be hard enough on me on ladder remounting the unistrut..
[22:43:42] <PetefromTn> Maybe you should rent one of those little roll around hand forklifts...
[22:43:59] <Jymmm> pallet jack?
[22:44:15] <PetefromTn> Jymmm: its gotta go on top of something.
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[22:44:31] <Jymmm> furniture dollies
[22:45:03] <PetefromTn> Are ya sure you can't get an engine crane in there they make them with folding legs..
[22:45:21] <PetefromTn> You could stand on the back as a counterweight.
[22:47:27] <Connor> http://www.ivdc.com/cnc/mill_02_26_14_02.JPG
[22:47:41] <PetefromTn> Only problem is I welded the legs into the base on mine because I did not like the attachment method.
[22:47:42] <Connor> I took that picture, with my BACK against the DOOR
[22:48:06] <Connor> Needs to be picked up about 8" and move to the stand.
[22:48:12] <Connor> http://www.ivdc.com/cnc/mill_02_26_14_03.JPG
[22:48:53] <Connor> http://www.ivdc.com/cnc/mill_02_26_14_01.JPG The current unistrut and mounting.. I'll just move my light out of the way.. and attack directly under beam using lags on each end..
[22:49:06] <Connor> and hook come along up and pick it up, and slide it over..
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[22:49:45] <Connor> of course, I have to clean everything off the enclosure and mill before I can move it..
[22:51:13] <PetefromTn> Can you shuffle the stand over to the table and scoot the mill onto the back and then move it back in place?
[22:51:45] <Connor> I can only move the stand in and out.. can't turn it, too tight..
[22:52:06] <Connor> and, also, afraid of damaging the pain job being too rough with it.
[22:53:09] <PetefromTn> Then I guess you are stuck with the levitation bit..
[22:53:25] <Connor> yea.. That's the only idea I had...
[22:53:28] <PetefromTn> or hire a couple football players to do it for ya..
[22:54:01] <PetefromTn> Looks like you need to knock a wall out tho hehehe...
[22:54:03] <Connor> Going to set it ontop of 4 hoky pucks.. so the coolant can drain.
[22:54:37] <Connor> that wall behind the workbench.. needs to go away.. and I can extend the size of my workshop another 12 to 14'
[22:54:56] <Connor> but, requires building 3 new walls...
[22:55:03] <Connor> which takes time and $$$
[22:55:08] <PetefromTn> Yeah I been there only my machine was heavier....MUCH heavier and I did it in the shop with the engine crane...was no problem..
[22:55:49] <Connor> engine crane would be great.. but, in a 11 x 7 room with a 2 x 2 area to walk.. it's not much good.
[22:55:52] <PetefromTn> It was kind of a bitch to do because I had to have the arm almost all the way extended to reach the center of the stand tho..
[22:56:42] <Connor> I would love to make a X / Y gantry from the unistrut.. that way I could pick up heavy items and move them around.. :)
[22:56:45] <PetefromTn> with 1k lbs out on the end the crane was doing some creaking hehehe
[22:57:04] <Connor> PetefromTn: You see my msg about getting that modbus driver to compile on my workstation ?
[22:57:29] <PetefromTn> no I was upstairs with the kids watching TV for awhile tho had a headache..
[22:57:55] <Connor> okay.. I got it to compile.. we just need to add code to read the amps and torque registers of you vfd.
[22:57:58] <PetefromTn> what does that mean were you able to make it run?
[22:58:17] <Connor> compile -- turn human readable code into machine code so it'll run.
[22:58:50] <PetefromTn> well that sounds pretty nice.. Hoping to get the adapter here thought it would be here today but no so far.
[22:58:55] <Connor> since I'm running on ubutnu 12.04 under and with the sim, I'll have to compile it on your machine.. but, I now know what to do and pretty good idea of what libs I need etc..
[22:59:00] <PetefromTn> Thanks for working on it man..
[23:00:04] <PetefromTn> do you gotta be here to do that?
[23:00:35] <Connor> No.
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[23:01:27] <Connor> OKay.. I need to run to home depot to get a come along, and a ice maker hose or union.. sprung a leak.
[23:01:31] <Connor> back in a while
[23:01:46] <PetefromTn> I got a come along here...
[23:02:19] <PetefromTn> Don't remember what size but it should lift that thing pretty easy I think..
[23:07:38] <andypugh> Connor: I had a machine rather like that. Then I saw sense.
[23:08:19] <andypugh> Some sows' ears are just that.
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[23:09:06] <andypugh> I highly recommend getting a machine built by someone who knew what they were doing, preferably 30 years ago and in Europe or the US.
[23:11:03] <Tom_itx> be prepared for a little extra weight though
[23:11:16] <Tom_itx> they didn't want em to move back then
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[23:23:58] <andypugh> My Harrison milll doesn't take up a lot more floor space than the Mini-mill, but I am still adjusting to the difference in capabilit.
[23:24:39] <Tom_itx> andypugh what's that 4core arm board you're playing with?
[23:24:46] <andypugh> Udoo
[23:24:47] <PetefromTn> agreed... by the time you have a minimill setup and put motors and enclosure on it you would be surprised at how much room it takes up.
[23:24:48] <Tom_itx> k
[23:25:33] <andypugh> This is my Harrison eating cast iron. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uycWEX3_eHA&list=UUexvgsGz_QFvOublovDYoTQ&feature=share&index=3
[23:25:37] <PetefromTn> I had a small knee mill that actuallly took up less floor space than the RF45 did..
[23:25:57] <andypugh> The funny thing is, I later realised that the Z gibbs were completely slack!
[23:26:54] <PetefromTn> I so want a nice Horizontal and vertical manual mill with power feeds...
[23:27:19] <andypugh> You can't have mine :-)
[23:27:51] <PetefromTn> could not get it here anyways...
[23:28:08] <PetefromTn> Actually I would want something bigger like an older Cincinatti...
[23:28:10] <andypugh> I don't use the horizontal spindle much, but it's ideal for gear cutting.
[23:29:36] <PetefromTn> I like the Kearney and Treckers
[23:30:35] <PetefromTn> http://youtu.be/XD6cL8MMA0E
[23:31:34] <andypugh> Keith Fenner subscribed to my YouTube channel :-)
[23:32:17] <PetefromTn> That machine is a little beast..
[23:34:45] <andypugh> I am thinking of making a slotting head for my Harrison. (I have never seen an original one, but they were made)
[23:37:49] <PetefromTn> The quality of the build in that machine is amazing.. I cannot believe how automated it is and how many gears and whatnot it has. Just freakin' built to last...
[23:42:08] <GuShH_> andypugh: who?
[23:42:27] <Tom_itx> the guy in the video
[23:43:29] <andypugh> PetefromTn: I assume you have seen Skunkwork's K&T? CNC from 1964? They didn't skimp on that one either.
[23:45:23] <PetefromTn> yeah man if you are talking about the CNC that thing is a BEAST!
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