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[00:00:08] <Tom_itx> apparently didn't soak in
[00:01:13] <Tom_itx> how is the return location Z different from the clearance Z or retract Z?
[00:02:19] <JT-Shop> return is at the end ie part change and clearance z is moving to the part and retract z is hole to hole
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[00:08:06] <Tom_itx> ok so it's a 2 step process to use the rough and finish together...
[00:08:12] <Tom_itx> i see what's going on now i think
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[00:08:45] <Connor_iPad> So does anyone know anything about emcview ?
[00:09:13] <Connor_iPad> Having issues with it not showing x y z corods.
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[00:09:41] <Connor_iPad> Something to do with emc.halio.
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[00:18:18] <PetefromTn> http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/49-basic-configuration/12854-camview-emc-configuration
[00:19:04] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx, yea it is a kludge but workable
[00:19:21] <Connor_iPad> Yea. That's the issue.
[00:19:31] <Connor_iPad> I remove that segment. And it works.
[00:19:47] <Connor_iPad> Just no axis labels.
[00:21:06] <Connor_iPad> That part that I have to remove to get it to work is what handles the labels.
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[00:23:25] <Connor_iPad> I think I can mount the circuit board of the camera in a alumn enclosure.
[00:23:30] <Connor_iPad> Just have to design it.
[00:23:31] <PetefromTn> http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/french/forum/21-axis/2198-another-tab-for-webcam Lot of info here about webcams..
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[00:25:32] <Connor_iPad> I've been all up in that thread. I think the problem is that it wasn't updated when name change happened. Or maybe with 2.6
[00:26:50] <Connor_iPad> Possible that it's giving issues is because I'm on 12.04 vs 10.04.
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[00:37:27] <PetefromTn> wish I could help ya man but I dunno..
[00:37:53] <Connor_iPad> I'll figure it out
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[00:40:52] <PetefromTn> Do you really want to write another webcam app with same functionality?
[00:40:53] <PetefromTn> There are plugins for camview for crosshair and to export it's position into EMC
[00:41:12] <PetefromTn> Is there a special plugin for the version you are using ?
[00:41:42] <Connor_iPad> If got it working with cross hairs. Just doesn't overlay the x y and z corods.
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[00:45:51] <humble_sea_bass> is emcview supposed to close the feedback loop?
[00:46:14] <Connor_iPad> No. It's manual.
[00:46:41] <PetefromTn> It is just supposed to show the coordinates of the DRO's on the video screen right..
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[00:47:10] <Connor_iPad> You can save corods and then got to the center.
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[00:52:28] <humble_sea_bass> any of you rhinocam users?
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[00:53:23] <humble_sea_bass> does the haas post processor spit out Linuxcnc compatible junk mostly?
[00:57:27] <Tom_itx> probably needs some tweaking
[00:57:44] <Tom_itx> i haven't found one in my cam that just works with no mods
[00:59:31] <zeeshan> humble_sea_bass: usually you can adjust the post processor to make it work ;)
[00:59:57] <Tom_itx> yeah
[01:00:07] <humble_sea_bass> ayup
[01:01:11] <humble_sea_bass> i'm just surprised someone hasn't posted a git repo with a base post processor and the necessary mods
[01:01:30] <humble_sea_bass> Tom, what cam package aere you rolling with
[01:01:31] <Tom_itx> all cams are different
[01:01:35] <Tom_itx> smartcam
[01:01:36] <zeeshan> ^
[01:01:57] <zeeshan> plus how do you modifying a propietary software
[01:01:57] <zeeshan> ;p
[01:02:00] <humble_sea_bass> but there are some packages that appear to be more popular than others
[01:02:13] <zeeshan> im using mastercam and nx
[01:02:19] <Tom_itx> mastercam has taken over the 'cheap' market now
[01:02:20] <Connor_iPad> CamBam supports LinuxCNC out of the box.
[01:02:24] <zeeshan> i spit some g-code into linuxcnc the other nice from nx and it works
[01:02:28] <humble_sea_bass> oh word
[01:02:35] <PetefromTn> Connor_iPad: Thats a stretch LOL...
[01:02:57] <Tom_itx> yeah i agree
[01:03:04] <Connor_iPad> I've never had any issues with it.
[01:03:13] <Connor_iPad> It has post processor for it.
[01:03:24] <PetefromTn> I mean yeah it works but the post is so dumbed down to nothing it is not funny...
[01:03:30] <humble_sea_bass> when i was in college i had to use Mastercam 9
[01:03:43] <humble_sea_bass> mmy disdain for it still burns bright
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[01:03:50] <zeeshan> thats ancient lol
[01:03:51] <Tom_itx> at the time i liked smartcam better than mastercam
[01:04:13] <zeeshan> why
[01:04:19] <Connor_iPad> How much post processing needs to be done?
[01:04:32] <Tom_itx> it was much easier to mod posts for one thing
[01:04:49] <Tom_itx> i think you had to buy them from mastercam back then
[01:05:04] <PetefromTn> HOnestly CamBam's post processor is kinda simple to mod once you get started with it.
[01:05:14] <Tom_itx> yeah sorta
[01:05:19] <Tom_itx> took about a day to figure otu
[01:05:34] <Tom_itx> from never seeing it before
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[01:06:06] <PetefromTn> I will also say that so far every piece of code I have posted was flawless to what I asked of it...
[01:06:28] <Tom_itx> all the canned cycles work ok?
[01:06:35] <PetefromTn> yeah so far..
[01:07:04] <PetefromTn> They also have some really cool plugins available that do some really neat stuff.
[01:07:11] <Connor_iPad> AFK gotta run to store.
[01:07:22] <PetefromTn> cya
[01:08:19] <zeeshan> http://community.plm.automation.siemens.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/1050i7966DFC34F070C58/image-size/original?v=mpbl-1&px=-1
[01:08:19] <zeeshan> win
[01:08:20] <zeeshan> :D
[01:08:45] <humble_sea_bass> Pete, this is cambam?
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[01:08:58] <PetefromTn> what is?
[01:09:05] <Tom_itx> yes
[01:09:21] <humble_sea_bass> what you're referring to, regarding cool plugins
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[01:09:29] <PetefromTn> my comments? Yeah I was speaking about CamBam..
[01:09:36] <Tom_itx> what sort of 'cool' plugins?
[01:09:55] <humble_sea_bass> automatic bong generator probably
[01:10:10] <PetefromTn> http://www.cambam.co.uk/forum/index.php?board=6.0
[01:10:30] <PetefromTn> Those are the ones that are currently being worked on quite a few are already in the program.
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[01:11:24] <humble_sea_bass> welp their main site is down
[01:11:45] <Tom_itx> finally loaded
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[01:12:06] <PetefromTn> V-carving, Trochoidal Milling, Threadmilling, Lathe etc. etc.
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[01:13:49] <PetefromTn> Huh, never seen that happen before..
[01:15:47] <PetefromTn> They have of course a trial free download and it is setup for 40 saves of the software so you could use it for quite some time if you never close and save it...It is still in beta.
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[01:20:05] <Tom_itx> i'm on the 2nd one
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[01:30:50] <PetefromTn> Okay second what?
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[01:33:32] <Tom_itx> trial run
[01:34:27] <PetefromTn> Why are you using it I thought you were good with Smartcam?
[01:36:06] <Tom_itx> looking over the cam for you
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[01:57:44] <zeeshan> https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t1/1798777_2144910998897473_1867887068_n.jpg
[01:57:45] <zeeshan> lol
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[12:12:28] <sigiiCNC> nickserv register cnc14a zygmunt.d@neostrada.pl
[12:12:45] <sigiiCNC> ][_, ][][ ][_,
[12:14:34] <sigiiCNC> Hello
[12:14:36] <sigiiCNC> Witam
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[12:25:49] <sigiiCNC> hi guys
[12:26:18] <sigiiCNC> do you know what way i can use the "loadrt" command ?
[12:26:44] <sigiiCNC> in terminal when i'm enter this command i take message "command not found"
[12:26:56] <sigiiCNC> i'm write it as root
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[12:29:58] <skunkworks> loadrt is used within linuxcnc's hal. so you would have to be running halcmd or halrun first..
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[12:31:05] <sigiiCNC> i was type halrun and have a message "Realtime already running. Use 'halrun -U' to stop existing realtime session."
[12:31:19] <sigiiCNC> but still can't use loadrt
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[12:34:49] <sigiiCNC> hmmm still command not found
[12:35:20] <automata> sigiiCNC: after you have started linuxcnc and see the familiar axis GUI, open a terminal and type: halcmd loadrt xor2 count=1
[12:35:38] <jthornton> halrun from a terminal or what automata said
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[12:36:10] <automata> this will load xor2 as a realtime component
[12:36:32] <automata> then in that same terminal type: halcmd addf xor2.0 servo-thread
[12:36:56] <automata> this will add the xor2 function in the servo-thread
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[12:46:53] <sigiiCNC> still nothing:/
[12:47:14] <sigiiCNC> tell me i must have connected machine to parport or don't must have ?
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[12:48:58] <automata> not necessary
[12:49:08] <sigiiCNC> hmmm
[12:49:21] <sigiiCNC> i have runed hal
[12:49:42] <automata> have you started linuxcnc?
[12:50:35] <sigiiCNC> yep
[12:51:05] <automata> have you compiled it yourself, or are you using a live CD install?
[12:51:43] <sigiiCNC> first use livecd
[12:51:49] <sigiiCNC> install on hdd
[12:51:59] <automata> so I assume you have a 10.04 build
[12:51:59] <sigiiCNC> after compile gmocappy
[12:52:07] <sigiiCNC> yep
[12:52:11] <sigiiCNC> don't update lts
[12:52:32] <automata> Ubuntu 10.04 lts with RTAI kernel
[12:52:44] <sigiiCNC> yep
[12:52:52] <sigiiCNC> from linuxcnc site
[12:52:56] <automata> so you have an ini file and a hal file?
[12:53:08] <sigiiCNC> where i must search it ?
[12:53:24] <sigiiCNC> im new with linux and linuxcnc
[12:53:53] <archivist> easy to create your first ini and hal with stepconf
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[12:56:48] <sigiiCNC> i was make it
[12:56:50] <automata> can you start linuxcnc to get this screen:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-X50i6IzGpgw/UbzSIqQE6uI/AAAAAAAAAvA/1IGhPTJjNLI/s1600/LinuxCNC.Temp.png
[12:56:53] <sigiiCNC> but now make new
[12:57:58] <sigiiCNC> yes i can
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[12:59:40] <jthornton> Tom_itx,
[12:59:51] <Tom_itx> uh huh
[13:01:10] <jthornton> did you get the bug fix 1.6.08?
[13:01:30] <Tom_itx> i got 1.6.08 yes
[13:01:41] <jthornton> ok
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[13:02:06] <Tom_itx> enhanced feature
[13:02:26] <jthornton> does the help file on 2nd ops make sense?
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[13:02:45] <jthornton> or do I need some screen shots?
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[13:03:49] <Tom_itx> all you need is to say which tab some of the settings are in
[13:04:14] <jthornton> ok
[13:04:42] <Tom_itx> i think that's what threw me, i was looking in one place
[13:05:46] <jthornton> I can see how it can be confusing now
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[13:07:34] <Tom_itx> it's always harder to write something for someone else than yourself :)
[13:07:52] <jthornton> yea, cause I know where everything is!
[13:08:10] <Tom_itx> does setup apply to all those ops?
[13:08:49] <jthornton> setup on the hole ops is applied to all hole ops yes
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[13:09:50] <Tom_itx> how hard would it be to save a set of default settings the user selected?
[13:10:06] <Tom_itx> ie once you get a good chamfer you may wanna remember what you did
[13:10:36] <Tom_itx> i know that for one can be a bit tricky
[13:10:42] <jthornton> other than the preferences tab?
[13:10:44] <Tom_itx> until you get it set
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[13:11:21] <Tom_itx> maybe on chamfer depth for example
[13:11:41] <Tom_itx> that's not as big a deal i guess
[13:12:38] <Tom_itx> i programmed a 7deg cutter one time i had fun figuring out which end of the tool to program the path to
[13:12:52] <jthornton> well that makes sense to a point, but if you save the G code file you have it I think...
[13:13:17] <Tom_itx> yeah but next time i may be chamfering something else
[13:13:29] <Tom_itx> the depth would still apply if i had the tool preset
[13:13:30] <jthornton> with different locations
[13:13:35] <Tom_itx> yeah
[13:13:41] <jthornton> that makes sense
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[13:13:44] <Tom_itx> it's no biggie... just a thought
[13:14:11] <jthornton> something for File > Save and File > Open to do
[13:15:00] <Tom_itx> then you could preload your whole session and make edits
[13:16:26] <Tom_itx> another example would be if you found the 'just right' depth for a couterbore head
[13:16:36] <jthornton> hmm how would you pick what to save and what not to save?
[13:16:41] <Tom_itx> i know the data is out there but who reads anything...
[13:16:49] <Tom_itx> that's the hard part
[13:16:56] <Tom_itx> maybe not worth doing
[13:17:48] <Tom_itx> chamfer was the one that came to mind first
[13:18:05] <Tom_itx> cause i know sometimes those can be tricky to get just right
[13:18:13] <Tom_itx> especially if you have a callout for it
[13:18:46] <Tom_itx> off to play...
[13:18:51] <jthornton> ok
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[13:44:27] <PetefromTn> Morning folks..
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[13:59:24] <sigiiCNC> hi bac
[13:59:27] <sigiiCNC> back
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[14:00:18] <sigiiCNC> guys tell me how to configure linuxcnc for two parports :/ in "StepConf" can configure only first port
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[14:01:55] <archivist_herron> once you have a config most of use hand edit the ini and hal files
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[14:30:10] <sigiiCNC> ok thx
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[15:09:24] <humble_sea_bass> clear
[15:11:55] <JT-Shop> format c:
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[15:12:59] <PetefromTn> I swear there must be a special kinda magic that makes my calipers and mics I just sat down disappear into the ozone...
[15:14:17] <humble_sea_bass> you typing /clear over your workbench
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[15:24:25] <PetefromTn> humble_sea_bass: Huh?
[15:24:30] <PetefromTn> Found the damn thing LOL..
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[15:32:21] <archivist> find my pivot file....where did you hide it
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[15:36:02] <archivist> not cheap when lost
http://www.shesto.co.uk/p1488/Vallorbe-3211-Pivot-File-&-Burnisher-%28Gauche%29/product_info.html
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[15:38:43] <PetefromTn> Connor:
http://imagebin.org/295744 http://imagebin.org/295745 finished it man..
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[15:48:47] <humble_sea_bass> if you type /clear into your irc window is clears the text from the screen. i was equating that to your mics disappearing instantly when you put em on your desk
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[15:54:05] <PetefromTn> Aah okay hehe Was wondering if you were cracking up or I was...
[15:54:10] <tjtr33> anyone used TECO drives?
[15:54:19] <tjtr33> I cant find same features on Yaskawa so am considering.
[15:54:20] <tjtr33> They have an internal position control mode where you load a position and pull a trigger, then wait for 'InPosition" ( very simple PLC motion control for stuff like ATC's )
[15:54:51] <tjtr33> (iirc they mfctr Automation Directs stuff)
[15:55:05] <jdh> westinghouse also?
[15:55:11] <tjtr33> dunno
[15:55:27] <tjtr33> and i got 3 Yasks here w nothing to do :(
[15:56:32] <jdh> send me one
[15:56:46] <tjtr33> :) with invoice?
[15:57:11] <humble_sea_bass> yes. just bill my bank, mt gox
[15:57:22] <humble_sea_bass> they will be with you shortly
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[16:09:54] <PetefromTn> tjtr33: I am using the Teco drives.
[16:12:07] <tjtr33> PetefromTn, good experience?
[16:13:00] <PetefromTn> yeah man so far... Work real nice.
[16:13:30] <PetefromTn> I am using their motors too...
[16:14:16] <tjtr33> thx, even better, the pair works :) thats good info.
[16:14:45] <tjtr33> bye for now
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[16:35:39] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[16:37:33] <Connor> PetefromTn: Looks good, How much room do I have to get to the bolts ?
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[17:01:29] <Connor> PetefromTn: You there ?
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[17:03:57] <PetefromTn> yeah man just finished lunch.
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[17:05:32] <PetefromTn> What's up?
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[17:24:29] <IchGuckLive> PetefromTn: i think the wats up guys are in the caribian bying some ilands as mark where shoppng last week
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[17:37:25] <PetefromTn> IchGuckLive: Yeah man I want in LOL...
[17:48:09] <IchGuckLive> Some portugise or brasil CNC freeks here
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[18:12:34] <IchGuckLive> balestrino: hi are you portugis or brasilian
[18:12:43] <IchGuckLive> nixxk sounds so
[18:12:52] <IchGuckLive> O.O ;-)
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[18:22:53] <balestrino> i'm from italy
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[18:58:09] <IchGuckLive> italy is the best state in the EU it got new girls inside the parlament not as our old ladies here
[18:59:42] <roycroft> italy once had a porn star in its parliament
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[19:00:09] <IchGuckLive> chicholina
[19:01:44] <IchGuckLive> roycroft: ilona staller only where a candidate
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[19:21:38] <IchGuckLive> im off BYE
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[19:42:41] <tjtr33> hehe just read in an article about ball vs roller bearings "and physics rules over sales talk" :)
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[20:42:32] <Loetmichel> tjtr33: i know that as "physics are LAWS not suggestions!"
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[21:05:56] <Loetmichel> hharhar, THAT i call "fast delivery".... i ordered a HDD at 15:00 from a german supplier... now, at 22:00 the dhl (a german parcel service) website tells me that the package is already in the sorting center at my town and will be delivered tomorrow morning... ;-)
[21:06:33] <humble_sea_bass> DHL is global mang
[21:06:53] <humble_sea_bass> there is DHL sorting facility 2 avenues from my house in Brooklyn NY
[21:07:29] <Loetmichel> i know but it originated from german post
[21:08:39] <Loetmichel> what i meant: to pack that package, get it in less than 2 hrs to the DHL man and have it delivered in less than 24hrs is amazing for germany
[21:09:00] <Loetmichel> usually it takes 2-3 days to get any online ordered goods
[21:09:17] <humble_sea_bass> was it amazon? they do crazy stuff like that
[21:09:51] <humble_sea_bass> like if they have the item sitting in the nj warehouse, oddsare it shows up overnight
[21:09:57] <Loetmichel> alternate.de
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[21:22:01] <PetefromTn> Wait you are saying you bought something from Germany and you are getting it tomorrow morning?
[21:22:24] <PetefromTn> In brooklyn, NY?
[21:23:53] <Loetmichel> PetefromTn: no i am in germany
[21:23:58] <Loetmichel> humble_sea_bass is in ny
[21:24:20] <PetefromTn> DOh! I gotta read more carefully huh...
[21:24:35] <humble_sea_bass> HAH
[21:24:36] <PetefromTn> How far away was it?
[21:24:56] <humble_sea_bass> yes yes. I make the germans overnight my endmills
[21:25:22] <PetefromTn> I order from Mcmaster Carr here all the time and many times I will order in the evening one day and get it the next morning..
[21:26:00] <PetefromTn> humble_sea_bass: Laugh it up fuzzball...;)
[21:27:03] <humble_sea_bass> I've started using travers more often because they ship from within NYC so sometimes I squeak by
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[21:38:23] <PetefromTn> http://imagebin.org/295802 Three wheels finished just to show the first was not a fluke LOL..
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[21:48:43] <humble_sea_bass> what are these wheels for
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[21:49:27] <humble_sea_bass> gattling scope?
[21:49:30] <PetefromTn> They are a focusing aid for Field target Shooters that goes on the scope focus knob..
[21:50:10] <humble_sea_bass> oh so you can get a finer adjustment?
[21:51:33] <PetefromTn> yes. the FT shooters use them to make it easier to adjust precisely so they can use the optics to rangefind the target out to around 50 yards. The yardages are marked on tape on the OD..
[21:52:11] <humble_sea_bass> that's smart
[21:52:28] <PetefromTn> yup tricky..
[21:52:46] <humble_sea_bass> my father in law used to manufacture rifles, super fascinating shit
[21:52:50] <PetefromTn> Plus it is another excuse to bling out your rifle..
[21:52:57] <humble_sea_bass> th a1919 community is crazy
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[21:54:05] <PetefromTn> http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/calif-couple-strike-10-million-gold-coin-bonanza-22667087 Damn lucky bastards LOL..
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[22:01:37] <Deejay> gn8
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[22:37:17] <Jymmm> Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWAavCjVQvM#t=13
[22:41:13] <andypugh> Slower than my bike to 140, by the looks of it. I accept that it carries on to a much higher top speed.
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[22:42:03] <Jymmm> andypugh: Can your bike do 270?
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[22:42:57] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: *cough* Usually i drive about half that speed. and thats enough with a station wagon ;-)
[22:43:12] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: lol
[22:43:33] <Jymmm> What was that, 90MPH in first?
[22:43:43] <Loetmichel> especially on german autobahns ;)
[22:44:23] <Loetmichel> 70 in first
[22:44:35] <Loetmichel> 120 in second
[22:44:43] <Loetmichel> if i read that correctly
[22:45:50] <Loetmichel> my car tops out at 135mph... and much more is not reccomended on most streets here, because then the slightest curvature will get VERY tight ;-)
[22:46:31] <PetefromTn> I'd say you must have one smokin' fast bike if you can beat that thing up to 140 because it was MOVING... And that is from someone who has owned 12 different sportybikes..
[22:47:12] <PetefromTn> Funny thing is I don't think the goal was actual acceleration here but to prove the top speed..
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[22:48:31] <uw> on auobahn whats fastest speed allowed
[22:48:47] <syyl> as fast as you dare
[22:48:55] <syyl> if its an unrestricted section
[22:49:03] <uw> did you say that with a sinister tone?
[22:49:31] <syyl> slightly ;)
[22:49:38] <syyl> realy
[22:49:43] <uw> lol k just checking
[22:49:44] <syyl> you can go as fast as you want
[22:49:57] <uw> sweet
[22:50:02] <syyl> with increasing chance of a spectacular crash ;)
[22:50:17] <PetefromTn> I know the video has been editied but it looks like about 8 seconds to 150MPH or so...
[22:50:18] <uw> i bet they charge $$$$ for thst high speed licence
[22:50:36] <syyl> high speed licence?
[22:50:56] <syyl> there is only one "car licence"
[22:51:21] <syyl> (ok, two if you add that for pulling bigger trailers)
[22:52:06] <uw> i see...
[22:52:10] <JT-Shop> hmm, lets see here is a tiny bit of info can you quote this job by the morning?
[22:52:13] <JT-Shop> uh, no
[22:52:17] <uw> what about motos
[22:53:09] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop give em a similar quote
[22:53:36] <Tom_itx> open ended of course...
[22:54:17] <syyl> motocycles? not to familiar with that, but there are different steps of licences
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[22:54:31] <PetefromTn> JT-Shop: What ya quotin?
[22:54:36] <Loetmichel> uw: when you have seen all 5 brake disks glowing on the tarmac at night because of some ("($%&§"$ grandma at 60 mp pulling out behind a semi when you came flying in at 130mph you know where the limit is. in your pants ;-)
[22:54:45] <Loetmichel> 4 brake disks
[22:55:26] <Tom_itx> licenses cost alot more there too
[22:55:38] <Tom_itx> and they are a coveted posession
[22:56:28] <uw> ohisee
[22:56:34] <Tom_itx> i dare say there are parts of TX that would give em a run for their money
[22:56:40] <Tom_itx> legal or not
[22:57:00] <JT-Shop> PetefromTn, don't look like I'm quoting anything I don't even know the size of the servos and he wants the quote for the morning
[22:57:16] <Loetmichel> uw: german drivers licenses split into groups: all cars below 3.5 tons (+ 750kg one axle trailers), cars and trucks aboce 3.5 tons, additional license for trailers needed there, then motorbikes below 17PS and motorbikes abve that, and some special cars (tractors, 50cc scooters and so on)
[22:57:19] <JT-Shop> it's a refit on a drilling kind of machine
[22:57:22] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop regular client?
[22:57:31] <Tom_itx> he should know better if he is
[22:57:31] <JT-Shop> new guy
[22:57:33] <Tom_itx> ahh
[22:57:36] <Tom_itx> figgers
[22:57:53] <JT-Shop> I don't think he has a clue how RFQ's and Quotes work
[22:57:59] <syyl> i think my car licence (below 3,5t and only small trailer) was about 1500eur
[22:58:07] <Tom_itx> i bet he's under the gun on a deadline
[22:58:10] <syyl> hard to remember Oo
[22:58:12] <Loetmichel> mine was 2100 eur
[22:58:23] <Loetmichel> but i made it later than you
[22:58:30] <Loetmichel> (2003 iirc)
[22:58:37] <syyl> sure? im looking for mine right now ;)
[22:58:48] <syyl> 2004 ;)
[22:59:03] <Loetmichel> oh, nice, than you got a cheap drivers scool
[22:59:12] <uw> Loetmichel, can you go unlimited speed in 3.5T vehicle if you wanted to?
[22:59:12] <syyl> jap
[22:59:19] <Loetmichel> yes
[22:59:21] <syyl> yes
[22:59:42] <uw> lol rolling collateral damage
[22:59:52] <Loetmichel> on the autobahn strips that dont have any restrictions
[23:00:20] <uw> strips as in, there isn't many of them?
[23:00:39] <Loetmichel> uw: to get a german license it si mandatory to take at least 20 hrs of driving school and about 20 hrs of theory school, too
[23:00:58] <syyl> in southern germany we have still a lot of unrestrictet autobahn
[23:01:03] <Loetmichel> and 45 minutes of driving test and 45 minutes of theory test
[23:01:28] <Loetmichel> so the worst drivers are sorted out from the start ;-)
[23:01:29] <uw> ok thats not bad. here we have lots of schooling too (my state esp)
[23:01:39] <syyl> but thats a bit the outback of germany ;)
[23:02:01] <uw> is that so
[23:02:07] <kengu> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driving_licence_in_Germany
[23:02:09] <uw> so the party is near denmark LOL
[23:02:15] <uw> i've heard that before
[23:02:33] <kengu> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driving_licence_in_Sweden
[23:02:48] <uw> and nederlands
[23:03:02] <uw> aka party country
[23:03:07] <syyl> ;)
[23:03:16] <syyl> time to leave
[23:03:21] <syyl> g'night
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[23:04:03] <Loetmichel> still i nearly pissed my pants a few times
[23:04:23] <uw> gnite syyl
[23:04:32] <uw> so many germans in here
[23:04:36] <uw> GERMAN OVERTAKE
[23:05:05] <Loetmichel> when you drive above 130 mph ANY osbtackle moving or not has to be feared
[23:05:48] <uw> have you ever been passed by vehicle moving ~200mph
[23:05:55] <Loetmichel> because most of the others oin the autobahn move at 60 or 70 mph
[23:06:17] <Loetmichel> if you come flying in at double that and someone decides to pull out without uing the mirror...
[23:06:28] <Loetmichel> i have driven one once
[23:06:40] <Loetmichel> and yes, i were pased by a few
[23:07:06] <Loetmichel> oh, sorry, wrong.
[23:07:36] <Loetmichel> my fastest drive on the autobahn was at 185mph
[23:08:01] <uw> yikes my moto doesnt even go that fast
[23:08:04] <Loetmichel> on a modified BMW k100 ;-.)
[23:08:07] <uw> and i've tried
[23:09:02] <uw> that must have had quite some mods....
[23:09:12] <uw> stock wikipedia says 90hp.....
[23:09:15] <Loetmichel> "just" turbocharged
[23:09:29] <Loetmichel> 174hp
[23:09:34] <Loetmichel> on the rear wheel
[23:09:39] <uw> yikes
[23:09:45] <uw> do you have picturse?
[23:09:51] <Loetmichel> no,wasnt mine
[23:10:02] <uw> that is quite a jump, 90hp to 174hp
[23:10:06] <Loetmichel> i dont even have a license to drive more than 50cc
[23:10:09] <uw> make sure you hold on LOL
[23:10:10] <Loetmichel> :-)
[23:10:33] <Loetmichel> i just provided the motor electronics for it
[23:10:58] <uw> was this bike mechanical injection?
[23:11:17] <Loetmichel> because at nearly the double ho you cant get away whith the stock MCU ;-)
[23:11:22] <Loetmichel> yes
[23:11:26] <Loetmichel> and abs ;-)
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[23:12:06] <Loetmichel> and after my friend modified it there was nearly nothing original
[23:12:13] <Loetmichel> the block maybe
[23:12:27] <JT-Shop> workbench clear... check
[23:12:29] <Loetmichel> pistons were clad wiht tungsten
[23:12:35] <Loetmichel> new crankshaft
[23:12:46] <uw> this project sounds expensive!
[23:12:47] <Loetmichel> new valve shaft(s)
[23:13:07] <Loetmichel> overly big ceramic tirbocharger
[23:13:15] <Loetmichel> new head
[23:13:19] <Loetmichel> new valves
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[23:13:35] <Loetmichel> new electronics from scratch (my part)
[23:14:04] <Loetmichel> and he welded in nearly 30kg of steel trussing in the fram to make it cope with that excess in power
[23:14:29] <uw> it is shame there is no pictures...
[23:14:40] <uw> that crankshaft was probably quite a piece of work
[23:14:54] <Loetmichel> nice thing: it being a cruiser and fully covered (including a mans high windshield) you could sit upright on it at 250kmh ;-)
[23:15:36] <Loetmichel> was a nice prank to drive on the autobahn ant 150kmh...
[23:16:13] <Loetmichel> and then wehn a zzr or somethinc came frombehind and blinked you just tipped your hat and pulled the handle ;-)
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[23:17:15] <uw> i am surprised rear drive gear didnt explode that those speeds/power
[23:17:20] <Loetmichel> *roooar* *Whizzle* *ROOOOAAAAR* ... and the zzr got tiny in the review mirror with its polot glued to the tank, while you are sitting upright and totally relaxed ;-)
[23:17:55] <Loetmichel> its a cardan shaft, no chain or belt ;-)
[23:18:10] <uw> well the gear in the back i mean
[23:18:18] <uw> because that shaft has limits i believe
[23:18:27] <Loetmichel> the 90° gear to get the power into the wheel?
[23:18:31] <Loetmichel> that was modified
[23:18:45] <Loetmichel> even the cardan shaft was made of a titanium alloy
[23:19:15] <Loetmichel> the weak point was the gearbox iirc
[23:19:22] <uw> it sounds like your friend has alot of money
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[23:19:30] <Loetmichel> because the shafts for the gears were too small
[23:19:38] <Loetmichel> was his only hobby
[23:20:57] <Loetmichel> the building wasnt the expensivest part
[23:21:03] <Loetmichel> the TUEV was ;-)
[23:21:37] <Loetmichel> (german mandatory bi-yearly technical check for vehicles)
[23:22:03] <Loetmichel> you HAVE to get a tuev check to get a license plate here
[23:22:25] <uw> and it is every year??
[23:22:32] <Loetmichel> bi-yearly
[23:22:40] <uw> oh
[23:22:41] <Loetmichel> every 2
[23:22:45] <uw> how much does it cost
[23:22:49] <Loetmichel> about 100 eur
[23:22:59] <uw> that isnt bad
[23:23:09] <uw> how much is insurance?
[23:23:28] <Loetmichel> but a "single license" for a car costs MUCH more, the tuev get nosy then
[23:23:57] <Loetmichel> they even put that bike on a dymometer and ordered me to shut off the rpm limiter ;-)
[23:24:00] <uw> i dont understand thi
[23:24:02] <uw> s
[23:24:16] <Loetmichel> this bike was not "Stock"
[23:24:29] <uw> so they charge more?
[23:24:32] <Loetmichel> so you have to get the tuev to allow you to bring it on the street
[23:24:39] <uw> you mean bribes?
[23:24:50] <Loetmichel> no, official procedure
[23:25:14] <uw> "official bribes" are still bribes LOL
[23:25:15] <Loetmichel> they must sing you a paper that this vehicle is "street worthy"
[23:26:12] <Loetmichel> and for selfbuild or heavily modified vehicles the procedere gets VERY throughoug
[23:26:23] <Loetmichel> sign
[23:26:58] <Loetmichel> like i said, they even got it on a dymomenter and checked the HP and the theoretical topspeed
[23:27:44] <Loetmichel> and then checked the brakes on another test stand because it is law that a vehicle must have at LEAST 3 times the HP in braking power
[23:28:13] <Loetmichel> and about 10000 other rules you must follow to get a car street worthy
[23:29:28] <Loetmichel> insurance varies
[23:29:56] <Loetmichel> depending on the type of vehickle and likelyhodd of an accident in thet model
[23:30:41] <Loetmichel> for example: i pay about 300 eur insurance every three months for my Omega and about 350 eur twice a year in tax
[23:31:01] <Loetmichel> sports vehicles are more expensive insurance wise
[23:31:29] <Loetmichel> s/tax/car tax
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[23:40:27] <andypugh> Jymmm: My bike does 105mph in first. 120 in second, 140 in third. But low weight and desperately bad aerodynamics is a mix that doesn't do so well at properly high speeds.
[23:41:14] <Tom_itx> why is 1st geared so high?
[23:41:24] <andypugh> I don't really miss the extra 100mph top speed that the Viper has.
[23:41:40] <andypugh> Tom_itx: To make it a useful gear rather than an instant loop, I think :-)
[23:41:50] <Tom_itx> 6 speed?
[23:42:22] <andypugh> Tom_itx: Aye, though I am not sure why.
[23:42:39] <Tom_itx> the top ones must be pretty close together
[23:43:21] <andypugh> I may have got the numbers slightly wrong. 6th is exactly twice first, so is geared for about 200mph and won't rev out.
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[23:44:20] <andypugh> The magazine tesrs reckoned on 186mph top speed, but I haven't seen anything over 170.
[23:45:25] <andypugh> I think anything over 170 on public roads is a bit silly :-)
[23:45:31] <Tom_itx> downhill with the wind?
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[23:46:23] <andypugh> It was still pulling pretty hard at 170, and I had a gear to go, but common sense prevailed.
[23:46:58] <Tom_itx> what causes bikes to start to shake?
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[23:47:30] <andypugh> Bad design. The mathematics of the wobble-modes is well understood.
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[23:48:39] <andypugh> If you look at a modern sportbike the engine is as far forward as they can get it, and the swingarm is as long as they can make it. Both help suppress the "tankslapper" wobble mode.
[23:49:52] <PetefromTn> I can't seem to get the measure feature to work it is always greyed out too..
[23:50:57] <PetefromTn> Oops wrong IRC LOL..
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