#linuxcnc | Logs for 2014-02-23

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[02:00:53] <uw> i missed this video https://event.webcasts.com/starthere.jsp?ei=1027465
[02:00:59] <uw> did anybody watch it or record it?
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[02:06:39] <zeeshan-MILL> another computer in action
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[02:07:57] <zeeshan-MILL> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/F0F365FE-4155-4C2C-A0C7-A4230E97672A_zpsqhdrmmaq.jpg
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[02:09:37] <tjtr33> uw, just register & watch ( i just did and it comes up fine )
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[02:22:30] <tjtr33> if you're using a screen recorder: be aware they change rez ( the selected area is not static )
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[02:32:32] <Justin__> alright, just ordered the solsylva 25 x 25 plans
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[02:32:43] <Justin__> time to get into it
[02:34:10] <uw> thanks tjtr33
[02:34:18] <uw> i wasnt sure if it was a 1 times hot
[02:34:19] <uw> shot
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[02:46:27] <tjtr33> uw its a lot of advert for the sponsor, then advert for nasa, then a bit of laser/gas welding ( 110ac) but requires patent licensing (muhahahaha )
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[03:17:36] <skunkworks> zeeshan: atleast hook a ground up.. http://s130.photobucket.com/user/turbozee84/media/0C741973-2146-4253-8467-C0C3F76547C9_zpsvvfhznjr.jpg.html
[03:17:38] <skunkworks> :)
[03:17:48] <zeeshan> haha
[03:18:15] <zeeshan> ghetto power tapping
[03:18:15] <zeeshan> :D
[03:20:05] <skunkworks> zeeshan: you have a dsm?
[03:20:21] <zeeshan> i have a 2003 mitsubishi eclipse
[03:20:23] <zeeshan> my daily driver
[03:20:26] <zeeshan> far from a dsm haha
[03:20:35] <zeeshan> but i have a twin turbo v8 rx7
[03:20:49] <skunkworks> sorry - old school... I had a stealth TT
[03:20:52] <zeeshan> you're going through the old pics?
[03:20:52] <zeeshan> ;p
[03:20:57] <zeeshan> oo those are nice
[03:21:02] <zeeshan> 6g72 engine right
[03:21:08] <skunkworks> if I remember right
[03:21:16] <skunkworks> it has been a few years
[03:21:24] <zeeshan> hehe
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[03:39:43] <Connor_iPad> Yo
[03:39:58] <pcw_home> The module version is just a byte but I would say minor revisions are in LS nibble and major in MS nibble
[03:40:54] <Connor_iPad> So, we upgraded Petefromtn version to most recent master.
[03:41:21] <pcw_home> oops
[03:42:11] <Connor_iPad> Everything went okay after I figured out the one little issue with the encoder 0 on the 7i77.
[03:43:11] <Connor_iPad> But, he said that before, the feed over ride affected the G0 speeds and homing speed.
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[03:43:50] <Connor_iPad> Was anything changed at so that feed override affects rapids?
[03:46:55] <skunkworks> I think in master - FO doesn't change the rapids.. I don't know if there is a ini settting to change that or not.
[03:47:52] <Connor_iPad> He was running a older version of master. And he said it did.
[03:48:45] <skunkworks> sure - it is recent...
[03:49:07] <skunkworks> cmorley changed it. There was a thread on the list about it.
[03:49:32] <Connor_iPad> Hmm. Why?
[03:49:48] <Connor_iPad> Errr. Why ws
[03:49:53] <Connor_iPad> Was it changed?
[03:50:53] <cmorley> because feedrate override is for feed rates not rapids.
[03:51:34] <cmorley> when running a production program changing the feedrate should not affect the rate of rapids
[03:51:56] <cmorley> because that affects cycle time.
[03:52:47] <cmorley> also now one can do things such as have feedrate override and max velocity override coupled in only certain sistuations (like in single block)
[03:53:03] <Connor_iPad> Okay. Understood.
[03:53:33] <cmorley> sorry if I sounded over bearing :)
[03:53:40] <Connor_iPad> So. What do you mean in single block? And is there a way to return it to old behavior?
[03:54:28] <cmorley> you could with HAL code. But using AXIS 's screen controls may make that difficult....
[03:54:34] <pcw_home> why would you change the rapids speed? chicken mode?
[03:54:53] <cmorley> usually to prove a new program
[03:55:04] <cmorley> so yes :)
[03:55:22] <Connor_iPad> That's the exact reason.
[03:55:37] <cmorley> its what max velocity is for
[03:55:45] <cmorley> or can be used for
[03:56:23] <pcw_home> is that a pin? (so can be changed dynamically)
[03:56:40] <cmorley> halui has a pin available
[03:57:02] <cmorley> unfortunately maxvelocity is in machine velocity units not percentage
[03:57:45] <cmorley> so a conversion is need to couple them or at least that what i think must be done but maybe some one is smarter..
[03:59:21] <skunkworks> I use max velocity the moste
[03:59:24] <skunkworks> most
[03:59:53] <Connor_iPad> He was just a bit freaked out because of the change.
[04:00:14] <skunkworks> he should use max velocity.. (for testing..)
[04:01:12] <Connor_iPad> I don't remember seeing max velocity on his interface. But. I was in a hurry to pack my stuff,up the head out
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[04:04:55] <Connor_iPad> Oh. And my modification that forced his machine into inches vs mm was in the .axisrc file.
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[04:45:08] <cmorley> hmm well I cobbled together a HAL script to recouple feed override and maxvelocity override but it causes AXIS to pause for seconds at a time. I think this is AXIS and halui fighting through the NML... which has happened before - not sure what can be done.
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[05:30:08] <someone972> The way my machine is currently built, it has discreet steps in velocity
[05:30:26] <someone972> The steps get larger as it gets to its maximum speed
[05:30:48] <someone972> Currently the largest jump is from 0.33 in/sec to 0.4 in/sec
[05:31:12] <someone972> Is that going to be a problem, or do most applications not need fine velocity control?
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[06:33:40] <zeeshan> cmorley i agree with you! on the sinumerik siemens and fanuc 30i to 32i, overriding the feedrate did not effect rapid speed
[06:33:46] <zeeshan> however there was another control i forgot what the heck it was called
[06:34:03] <zeeshan> which effected everything. it was usually at 100%
[06:34:09] <zeeshan> but if you slowed down to 50%, everything slowed down.
[06:34:53] <cmorley> The okuma lathe i used had it set up so feedoverride was just for feed unless in single block mode then it was both.
[06:35:16] <zeeshan> http://www.wismet.com/product-details?productId=8738#
[06:35:30] <zeeshan> ignore that link
[06:35:34] <zeeshan> http://wismet.locator-cims.com/Upload/Product/Photos/8738d_Cincinnati_Steptronic_2A_CNC_Grinder.JPG
[06:35:43] <zeeshan> see that dial right under the feedrate?
[06:35:50] <zeeshan> called "traverse override"
[06:35:55] <cmorley> We routinely adjust the feed rate for cutting conditions with feed override but the rapids of course stayed the same.
[06:35:59] <zeeshan> thats the dial i am talking about
[06:36:14] <zeeshan> that controls all movementrs
[06:36:50] <zeeshan> that dial was used when running a fresh new progream
[06:37:06] <zeeshan> we'd usually run it at 10% just incase something wanted to crash :)
[06:37:34] <cmorley> interesting. separate controls for all three would give the best of all worlds.
[06:37:55] <zeeshan> and i agree with keeping feedrate separate
[06:37:58] <cmorley> yes thats what we did to on a new program or the first run of a program
[06:38:02] <zeeshan> sometimes you adjust feedrate to get rid of chatter..
[06:38:07] <toastyde1th> Program override and feedrate override
[06:38:10] <cmorley> yep
[06:38:15] <zeeshan> you don't want it effecting your rapids!
[06:38:27] <cmorley> program override?
[06:38:29] <toastyde1th> most fanucs have rapid override
[06:38:36] <toastyde1th> where it's just some percent
[06:38:47] <toastyde1th> usually 1, 10, 25, 50, 100%
[06:38:52] <toastyde1th> or some other similar partition
[06:39:21] <zeeshan> its been a while since i've had that control in front of me but from what i remember it was a click type dial
[06:39:24] <zeeshan> not continuous..
[06:40:24] <cmorley> I like the rotary 'click' switch, always knew where you were without looking
[06:40:31] <toastyde1th> zeeshan, yes
[06:40:49] <toastyde1th> it usually only has a few positions, like the ones i listed
[06:41:01] <toastyde1th> and it is super useful because some controls even have a "rapid to feed" option
[06:41:13] <toastyde1th> where the rapid would take whatever feedrate the machine was programmed to
[06:41:28] <toastyde1th> also, the machine feedrate being set to 0 stops all machine movement, including rapid
[06:41:34] <toastyde1th> which is nice to walk a machine in to a scary cut
[06:42:08] <zeeshan> yes!
[06:42:16] <zeeshan> the spindle doesnt turn off
[06:42:22] <zeeshan> but all axis freeze
[06:42:52] <zeeshan> after seeing a 200 lb grinder wheel explode
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[06:42:58] <zeeshan> i always "walked" the machine
[06:43:11] <toastyde1th> yep
[06:43:36] <toastyde1th> a tiny 4" part is easy to scrap, but machining a part worth a few thousand dollars or more requires a bit more user interface finesse on the machine
[06:44:04] <zeeshan> dude @ gates canada
[06:44:24] <zeeshan> they were okay with scrapping
[06:44:30] <zeeshan> but absolutely could not afford machine downtime
[06:44:34] <zeeshan> by a crash happening
[06:44:38] <toastyde1th> yep
[06:44:51] <zeeshan> that grinder wheel replacement took 4 hours
[06:44:59] <toastyde1th> I remember the dumbest crash I ever saw
[06:45:10] <toastyde1th> was this one horizontal milling machine that has a problem with heavy tools
[06:45:18] <toastyde1th> it would fail to toolchange
[06:45:26] <toastyde1th> they'd fall out out change arm
[06:45:30] <zeeshan> lol
[06:45:41] <toastyde1th> and so they put this brand new dude who knew nothing about machines on it
[06:45:46] <toastyde1th> and... just let the machine run?
[06:45:51] <zeeshan> sounds similar to an ABB robot end effector
[06:45:52] <toastyde1th> No M00, no nothing
[06:46:08] <toastyde1th> like, "look in the machine and make sure the drill's mounted properly"
[06:46:14] <toastyde1th> So I'm running my lathes
[06:46:18] <toastyde1th> and i just hear this BOOM
[06:46:27] <toastyde1th> and silence
[06:46:29] <zeeshan> rofl
[06:46:48] <zeeshan> usually you hear a high pitch screech, then a boom
[06:46:51] <toastyde1th> machine came in on rapid with a $5k boring bar
[06:47:01] <toastyde1th> Hole it was supposed to go into wasn't there
[06:47:07] <toastyde1th> and it was rapiding to the bottom
[06:47:10] <zeeshan> rofl
[06:47:15] <toastyde1th> for a hole drilled through on the other side
[06:47:27] <toastyde1th> I lol'd
[06:47:34] <cmorley> omg
[06:47:41] <cmorley> what a story
[06:47:44] <toastyde1th> needless to say we had to put in another order for that boring bar
[06:47:50] <toastyde1th> boss was not happy
[06:47:59] <zeeshan> did you have to redial in the machine?
[06:48:01] <toastyde1th> nah
[06:48:06] <zeeshan> what a beasty
[06:48:15] <toastyde1th> yeah, the horizontal mills we had were beasts
[06:48:22] <zeeshan> you know a machine is beefy when it can destroy a tool holder
[06:48:24] <toastyde1th> nothing on them gave a shit
[06:48:30] <toastyde1th> it was just the bar, not the holder
[06:48:33] <zeeshan> and yet still be in alignment
[06:48:35] <toastyde1th> the actual boring head
[06:48:39] <zeeshan> oh
[06:48:40] <toastyde1th> kinda exploded
[06:49:23] <zeeshan> cmorley: please integrate the interval transverse override! =D
[06:50:24] <zeeshan> on my last day at gates
[06:50:31] <zeeshan> i set 4 of the machines to german before leaving
[06:50:39] <zeeshan> (english/french speaking plant)
[06:50:43] <zeeshan> i wonder if they figured it out
[06:51:04] <cmorley> so werent very happy there huu?
[06:51:16] <zeeshan> no, this plant was crap..
[06:51:32] <zeeshan> and i decided at the time i wanted to go back to school for engineering
[06:53:37] <toastyde1th> lol
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[13:12:55] <PetefromTn> Morning..
[13:24:09] <jthornton> http://imagebin.org/295183
[13:24:30] <jthornton> Mill G code generator counterbores
[13:27:43] <PetefromTn> What are we looking at exactly here?
[13:28:20] <jthornton> some counterbores generated by my Mill G code generator in about 30 seconds
[13:28:55] <PetefromTn> Is this a LinuxCNC wizard add on or something?
[13:29:16] <jthornton> you can run it from Axis or run it standalone
[13:29:32] <jthornton> I thought you saw it before?
[13:29:45] <Loetmichel> hmmm
[13:29:56] <PetefromTn> Hmm... no never seen it. In fact my Axis display is positively vacant of wizards currently..
[13:30:09] <Loetmichel> is there a tool to visualize a gcode with measurement?
[13:30:25] <PetefromTn> CNCsimulatorpro.
[13:30:31] <jthornton> it does not imbed into Axis but you open it in Axis and the output can be sent to Axis
[13:30:42] <Loetmichel> like a C toolchain where you can "draw" a circle and the compiler generaters appprobiate gcode?
[13:30:45] <jthornton> http://gnipsel.com/files/g-code-generator/
[13:31:22] <PetefromTn> Is that the progression to version 6 or are they all different?
[13:32:00] <jthornton> You can generate G code for tapping, spot drill, drill, ream, chamfer, counterbore in the hole ops tab and facing current works
[13:32:08] <jthornton> get the latest one for sure
[13:33:06] <PetefromTn> Okay will look at it, did you design this?
[13:33:26] <Loetmichel> because my "normal toolchain" at the moment is corelDraw 8 + BoCNC + a bit of hand editing
[13:33:26] <jthornton> yes, I wrote all of it
[13:33:48] <PetefromTn> NICE THANK YOU!!
[13:34:02] <Loetmichel> a bit of a PITA, especially because corel converts all arcs in short lines
[13:34:23] <jthornton> PetefromTn, if you try it out any feedback is appreciated
[13:34:44] <Loetmichel> which mekes for some "facets" like this: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12527
[13:34:58] <jthornton> it started out as a programming exercise for me...
[13:35:01] <PetefromTn> Okay gotta get it on the machine tho here and I am trying to get some stuff done since we updated the control system yesterday...
[13:35:29] <jthornton> ok
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[13:46:11] <PetefromTn> Loetmichel: why don't you use something like draftsight instead of corel draw? are you doing only 2.5d stuff...
[13:46:23] <Loetmichel> yes
[13:46:28] <Loetmichel> only 2,5d
[13:47:04] <PetefromTn> Draftsight is an autocad clone and it is free to use and you will not get the faceting..
[13:47:07] <Loetmichel> and i use corel because i know it since version 4 and am faster in painting 2d cads than our mechanical Engineer in Autocad ;-)
[13:47:54] <PetefromTn> yeah but then you gotta spend time editing LOL...
[13:48:13] <Loetmichel> just because the BoCNC gcode generator doesent make the gcode fitting linuxCNC
[13:48:27] <Loetmichel> have to edit out some % and stuff
[13:49:27] <PetefromTn> Aah well there are quite a few viable options for 2.5d cam for cheap as well...
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[13:50:01] <Loetmichel> it IS time consuming thoug, because the normal mode of operation is: i draw something in corel, make the prototypes on the chinese 6040 and then send the ME the dxf files for redrawing and sending to our manufactureres for the series
[13:50:42] <Loetmichel> i make stuff like this: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14184
[13:50:56] <Loetmichel> or this: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14595
[13:51:22] <Loetmichel> or this: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14160
[13:51:28] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14217
[13:51:30] <Loetmichel> :-)
[13:52:47] <PetefromTn> Yeah man that is all really simple stuff it appears that even say draftsight and sheetcam could take care of for you. CamBam has its own cad onboard and that will do that easily as well.. There are many packages that would do that for you...
[13:54:10] <Loetmichel> PetefromTn: but draftshight is autocad style
[13:54:24] <Loetmichel> a user interface that i hate with my soul.
[13:54:27] <PetefromTn> yeah so you would be on the same page as your ME...
[13:54:37] <Loetmichel> i dont want to waste weeks of learning
[13:54:52] <PetefromTn> I use it quite a bit and it is easy to use..
[13:55:04] <Loetmichel> not if you are used to corel
[13:55:18] <PetefromTn> Hole patterns and stuff like that are uber simple..
[13:55:40] <PetefromTn> Have not really used corel too much so cannot comment on the differences..
[13:55:55] <Loetmichel> i have bought a Turbocad version and trying to learn that because it is cheap and 3d
[13:55:58] <PetefromTn> Does Corel allow you to use construction lines and offsets etc..
[13:56:04] <Loetmichel> so i can make some more complex thins
[13:56:07] <Loetmichel> things
[13:56:18] <Loetmichel> it does
[13:56:53] <Loetmichel> but it seems that a 3d cad has a VERY different workflow than a 3d design program
[13:57:03] <Loetmichel> so i am not really far in learning turbocad ;-)
[13:57:06] <PetefromTn> that's true..
[13:57:49] <Loetmichel> 2d design programm
[13:57:50] <PetefromTn> currently until I can afford something like Solidworks I am using freecad for 3d cad. It works quite well actually. It is also possible to draw in 2d like in autocad yet using 3d workflow..
[13:58:19] <Loetmichel> i looked at freecad and found it gruesome to work with
[13:58:35] <Loetmichel> ... granted, i think turbocad is only marginally better ;-)
[13:58:37] <PetefromTn> really? I thought it was quite simple..
[13:59:32] <Loetmichel> it would help with the sheet metal stuff to not have to calculate the bending radii in my mind, thoug ;-)
[13:59:34] <PetefromTn> The sketch setup is very simple and easy to use but it seems to lack some of the features I am used to in draftsight which is mostly due to the 3d workflow
[13:59:42] <Loetmichel> make some errors there from time to time ;-)
[14:00:19] <PetefromTn> Honestly having downloaded and tested several 3d packages freecad is about as simple as I have found and I was able to draw complex things much faster in it than in any other package I tried.
[14:00:59] <Loetmichel> maybe its because the last time i looked at freecad is about 3 years ago, maybe it has grown since then
[14:01:06] <PetefromTn> there is also a Freecad IRC just like this one on freenode that you can ask questions on. The guys there are quite helpful.
[14:01:56] <PetefromTn> Oh hell yeah it has come a LONG way since then. It is still being actively developed and I cannot imagine having anymore capability in anything even remotely in it's price range LOL....
[14:03:49] <PetefromTn> I had the Alibre design back when they had the cheap private use version and the workflow is quite similar to that. The short time I was able to use Solidworks when I worked for a local shop the program is definitely more advanced but it was also similar enough that what I learned was not lost on freecad.
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[14:05:02] <ReadError> solidworks was the easiest to just pick up and learn
[14:05:08] <ReadError> stuff makes sense
[14:05:22] * archivist agrees about solidworks
[14:05:23] <PetefromTn> agreed if you are used to 3d at all...
[14:05:32] <ReadError> draw, extrude, cut, etc
[14:05:39] <archivist> the gear mates a super
[14:05:40] <ReadError> the drawing is all 3d
[14:05:43] <PetefromTn> yup same things are in freecad..
[14:05:45] <ReadError> err, 2d
[14:06:16] <PetefromTn> names are different tho. draw is sketch, extrude is pad, cut is pocket...
[14:06:18] <archivist> for mechanism design solidworks is hard to beat
[14:06:25] <ReadError> simple, go to a local college (or theres .edus that give out email addresses, google it)
[14:06:31] <ReadError> grab student copy ;p
[14:06:43] <PetefromTn> yeah that is for sure but it is also QUITE expensive plus maintenance..
[14:06:57] <ReadError> or get a family member to order it, surely you have a nephew or something in college
[14:07:31] <PetefromTn> It is still several hundred bucks and so far I have been able to do everything I need in Freecad....for FREE>..
[14:08:49] <PetefromTn> They are now working on a new release which should be out soon and it is going to apparently include the assembly package to allow easier drawings of complex multi part designs...
[14:09:00] <ReadError> thought it was 100 or 150
[14:10:14] <PetefromTn> My son is in College and believe me I considered it, but for now this is working quite well. The more I learn about Freecad and what you can do with it the more I am impressed with it.
[14:14:09] <jdh__> have you tried librecad?
[14:14:21] <PetefromTn> Nope...
[14:15:02] <PetefromTn> Looks like a 2d package..
[14:15:54] <cpresser_> librecad is basically the same as autocad-2D
[14:16:24] <PetefromTn> Then why would'nt you just use draftsight?
[14:16:35] <cpresser_> if you know your way around autocad keyboard commands, librecad is cool. if you want to use the mouse to point&click its not that much fun
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[14:19:06] <PetefromTn> I kinda use both really... I do like that it is open source tho..
[14:24:55] <PetefromTn> Anyone got any suggestions on how to link the feedrate override to the rapid speed like I had before on the newest master version we updated to last night. I am trying to decide if I want that setup again or just adjust the max velocity slider...
[14:34:54] <Loetmichel> ReadError: i have none in college
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[14:35:20] <Loetmichel> my nephews and nieces are in the "4wd" age ;-)
[14:36:12] <Loetmichel> cpresser_: librecad is a derivate of qcad iirc
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[14:47:25] <ler_hydra> heyo, anyone know what could cause stepgen to generate a pulse waveform that when manually jogging results in an output that accelerates, reaches some peak speed, and then backs off before stabilizing at some speed? On stopping the jog action the output shaft slows down, rotates slightly in reverse (!) and finally stops
[14:48:27] <ler_hydra> my base thread is set pretty conservatively at the moment (~25us) and I'm generating steps with a period of around 200us and an acceleration in the range of one second or so...
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[14:55:09] <pcw_home> Maybe not enough stepgen accel or velocity headroom?
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[14:58:27] <ler_hydra> I'm running stepgen-make-pulses at base thread, stepgen-capture-position and stepgen-update-freq at servo thread
[14:58:46] <ler_hydra> FWIW I'm far from well versed in how stepgen should be configured
[14:58:59] <ler_hydra> ATM I'm just hacking away at a default configuration
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[15:00:38] <pcw_home> do you have enough (say 25%) stepgen accel and velocity headroom?
[15:01:24] <ler_hydra> headroom relative to what?
[15:02:17] <pcw_home> realtive to motions velocity and accel settings
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[15:03:59] <ler_hydra> hmm. would that be the values set in the ini configuration file under TRAJ? )MAX_LINEAR _VELOCITY)?
[15:04:04] <ler_hydra> *(
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[15:05:13] <pcw_home> its the per axis settings you want
[15:06:24] <ler_hydra> per axis I see max_velocty, max_acceleration, and stepgen_maxaccel
[15:06:49] <pcw_home> the stepgen settings must be a bit larger than the axis settings
[15:07:26] <ler_hydra> which are currently set to 1, 1, and 2. I'm guessing that stepgen_maxaccel should be <0.75*max_acceleration (which it isn't at the moment). but I don't see any setting for stepgen_maxvel
[15:07:48] <ler_hydra> is that inherited in some way from the per-axis setting?
[15:09:01] <pcw_home> the stepgens_accel should be 1.25x axis maxaccel
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[15:09:44] <pcw_home> stepgen_maxaccel (or set to 0 which means unlimited)
[15:10:05] <ler_hydra> any drawback to setting stepgen_maxaccel to 0?
[15:11:02] <pcw_home> I dont think so on the software stepgen (on hardware stepgens it causes trouble)
[15:11:14] <ler_hydra> ok
[15:12:40] <ler_hydra> ah, that helped a lot
[15:12:45] <ler_hydra> thanks pcw_home!
[15:14:06] <pcw_home> probably it was behind on the rampup and rampdown parts of the jog because it accel was limited
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[15:16:01] <ler_hydra> yeah, that sounds reasonable. looked pretty strange when I was scoping up the raw pin output state though ;)
[15:17:52] <pcw_home> if you plot the following error you get a good idea of what the stepgen is doing
[15:18:28] <ler_hydra> in halscope?
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[15:23:19] <pcw_home> Yes
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[15:31:50] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop
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[15:32:01] <Tom_itx> i'd put a finish pass on bore too
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[15:40:02] <Tom_itx> and just what is 'dunno' ?
[15:40:05] <Tom_itx> :D
[15:40:57] <Tom_itx> when you run outta ops to add... you can start on surfaces
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[15:49:29] <Loetmichel> Tom_itx: redneck version of "i dont know!" ;-)
[15:51:09] <ler_hydra> pcw_home, This is a really basic question, but I can't seem to figure out how to connect an output to two inputs. In my case, I'm trying to do "net foo axis.0.amp-enable-out => or2.0.in1", followed by "net bar axis.0.amp-enable-out => stepgen.0.enable"
[15:51:19] <ler_hydra> which generates an error on startup
[15:51:35] <ler_hydra> any pointers of how to do this?
[15:52:27] <FinboySlick> Loetmichel: Here's a redneck version of "Stayin' Alive" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Axm0-t01_KM
[15:53:05] <pcw_home> net foo axis.0.amp-enable-out or2.0.in1 stepgen.0.enable
[15:53:42] <ler_hydra> pcw_home, hmm, is there any way to split that up into two lines in order to improve the readability of my HAL file?
[15:54:23] <pcw_home> net foo axis.0.amp-enable-out or2.0.in1
[15:54:24] <pcw_home> net foo stepgen.0.enable
[15:54:44] <ler_hydra> pcw_home, alright, thanks again =)
[15:59:35] <pcw_home> welcome
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[16:17:55] <ler_hydra> pcw_home, sorry to pester you again, but do you know what the HOME_USE_INDEX parameter uses as it's input signal? I'm working on a system with servo controllers that are internally closed-loop (with quadrature setpoint inputs), and I'd like to use the index output from the encoder during homing. Would this be a simple as connecting the relevant I/O pin to some HAL module input?
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[16:20:48] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx, bore?
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[16:48:23] <JT-Shop> dunno
[17:06:09] <Tom_itx> Mill G code generator counterbores
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[17:07:32] <JT-Shop> wouldn't counter bore be for SHCS's?
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[17:08:48] <Tom_itx> not limited to
[17:08:54] <JT-Shop> no
[17:09:08] <Tom_itx> as an option it would be nice to have
[17:09:13] <Tom_itx> left blank ignored
[17:09:31] <Tom_itx> if you wanted to do some holes with a cleanup pass
[17:09:32] <JT-Shop> would be easy enough to just generate two passes???
[17:09:48] <Tom_itx> i suppose
[17:10:00] <Tom_itx> i generally offset .010 and do it on the last pass
[17:10:05] <JT-Shop> then would the cleanup pass be full depth or each depth
[17:10:18] <Tom_itx> full
[17:10:31] <Tom_itx> used with discression
[17:11:07] <JT-Shop> but some would want it for each pass I'd bet
[17:11:25] <Tom_itx> generally not
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[17:11:38] <Tom_itx> you want to get to depth before you do a finish pass
[17:12:00] <Tom_itx> does it do the step too?
[17:12:09] <Tom_itx> if you wanna do the whole thing with a mill cutter
[17:12:24] <Tom_itx> probably not the best idea...
[17:12:31] <JT-Shop> step as in depth?
[17:12:40] <Tom_itx> for the head
[17:12:48] <Tom_itx> and shank
[17:13:03] <Tom_itx> i've got a couple drills cut for that
[17:13:26] <Tom_itx> smaller size bolts
[17:13:55] <JT-Shop> I'm not following
[17:14:12] <JT-Shop> if you are counter boring for a SHCS you drill then counter bore right?
[17:16:40] <Tom_itx> yeah but i have a step drill i use for some of them
[17:16:43] <Tom_itx> does both at once
[17:17:01] <JT-Shop> sure why not
[17:17:09] <Tom_itx> if it's a large bolt you may wanna just do it with one cutter.. the mill
[17:17:23] <Tom_itx> so have it be able to do the head step then the shank
[17:17:27] <Tom_itx> with a depth for both
[17:17:43] <JT-Shop> sure, two runs one for each
[17:17:52] <Tom_itx> 1/4"em would work for large bolts
[17:18:03] <Tom_itx> wastes time to leave the hole and come back to it
[17:18:07] <Tom_itx> do it all in one pass
[17:18:30] <JT-Shop> sure, so does using a 1/4" em for a large bolt
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[17:19:15] <Tom_itx> depending how quick your tool changer is
[17:19:19] <JT-Shop> sure, sometimes I'm slow
[17:19:20] <Tom_itx> heh
[17:19:21] <Tom_itx> just offering ideas...
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[17:19:30] <JT-Shop> I know
[17:19:43] <JT-Shop> I'm just weighing how much it might get used vs the time to program
[17:20:00] <Tom_itx> it's quicker to finish one hole complete than to come back to it on a 2nd pass
[17:20:07] <JT-Shop> for me I'd never do it that way
[17:20:42] <Tom_itx> then that's what you should do
[17:20:58] <JT-Shop> if time is an issue then hand coding to take fractions of seconds off the time is the thing to do as I've not seen any CAM that can really do that
[17:21:22] <JT-Shop> there is just too many variables to program for all of them
[17:21:26] <Tom_itx> i do 2 holes and combine them
[17:21:31] <Tom_itx> i know
[17:21:49] <JT-Shop> you could do each Op on all the holes then change the tool
[17:21:51] * Jymmm lol @ Tom_itx
[17:22:01] * Tom_itx smacks Jymmm
[17:22:16] <Tom_itx> just throwing ideas out there
[17:22:17] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: oh baby!
[17:22:24] <JT-Shop> I know
[17:22:54] <Tom_itx> you generally do one off's but in production time is money
[17:23:13] <Tom_itx> so if you can do an op to completion with one pass that's desireable
[17:23:19] <JT-Shop> yea, and in production you have high dollar CAM programs
[17:23:26] <CaptHindsight> http://www.linuxcnc.org/component/option,com_google_maps_insight/ 404 not found
[17:23:41] <JT-Shop> bbl
[17:23:48] <Tom_itx> true
[17:24:19] <Tom_itx> i suppose for a countersunk bolt you wouldn't need a finish pass
[17:24:31] <JT-Shop> not hardly
[17:24:50] <Tom_itx> but that op could be used for other things was what i was getting at
[17:27:29] <JT-Shop> I don't follow that?
[17:28:14] <Tom_itx> you could use it for other hole patterns that may require a finish pass
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[17:29:41] <Tom_itx> do you program the tool center wiht it?
[17:29:43] <JT-Shop> sure, you can do that now just create two ops and combine them into one... just a second of copy and paste.
[17:29:52] <Tom_itx> the image appears that you do
[17:30:07] <Tom_itx> yeah i suppose you could
[17:30:17] <JT-Shop> yes, you program the XY center of any hole ops
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[17:31:20] <Jymmm> What is a very simple everyday thing we do for fire prevention in our hones?
[17:31:43] <Jymmm> (not a joke, honest question)
[17:31:52] <Tom_itx> another Jymmm survey
[17:32:23] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: I just need another example beside not leaving candles burning at night.
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[17:32:42] <Tom_itx> don't smoke in bed?
[17:33:09] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: If this was the 1960's that would be good.
[17:33:37] <JT-Shop> I can see the need for a checkbox for preamble and M2 for cut and paste snippets
[17:33:41] <Tom_itx> don't set your laptop on the carpet
[17:33:45] <Tom_itx> and walk away
[17:33:48] <Jymmm> lol
[17:33:58] <skunkworks> Jymmm: cleaning out dryer vents..
[17:35:15] <CaptHindsight> send your kids to school?
[17:35:17] * JT-Shop wanders inside to take nap
[17:35:25] <Jymmm> skunkworks: I know dryer lint is very flammable, but when was the last time you heard of a fire?
[17:35:31] <Tom_itx> don't cut steel dry with carbide cutters in your living room
[17:35:32] <Jymmm> =)
[17:35:59] <skunkworks> I suppose that isn't every day...
[17:36:11] <CaptHindsight> close the valves on the welding/cutting tanks after the job is done
[17:36:29] <Einar_> Turn out the flame on your O/A welder before going to bed!
[17:36:43] <CaptHindsight> don't rub balloons on your wool sweater while filling the tank
[17:38:05] <Tom_itx> don't fill the balloons with the tank and light em
[17:38:13] <CaptHindsight> turn off the flame after the bacon turns dark brown
[17:38:41] <CaptHindsight> don't dry your hair while in the tub..... no that's something else
[17:38:42] <Tom_itx> throw water on a grease fire... err oops not that one
[17:39:06] <Einar_> On a seriuos note: Don't buy no brand chinese electronics and leave them unattended!
[17:39:43] <CaptHindsight> don't gill in the house with a charcoal grill
[17:39:59] <Einar_> I've dissecated wall warts that I would ony use while watching with an extinguisher by my side.
[17:40:05] <Tom_itx> CaptHindsight, porch or balcony...
[17:40:06] <CaptHindsight> happens a few times a week in Chicago
[17:40:08] <Tom_itx> very common
[17:40:26] <zeeshan> Loetmichel: darn it we finished 3rd on the medal standings
[17:40:36] <zeeshan> but at least we dominated hockey!
[17:40:47] <Einar_> Who was firtst?
[17:40:51] <Einar_> first
[17:41:06] <zeeshan> russia
[17:41:27] <Loetmichel> russia...
[17:42:01] <Loetmichel> ... "Honi soit qui mal y pense" comes to mind ;-)
[17:42:07] <Einar_> Good for them! They paid for the show, so at least they get something back.
[17:44:23] <uw> halo
[17:44:58] <CaptHindsight> in domestic settings safety has to be pretty much built in so people don't really have to think about it, it just works
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[17:45:34] <CaptHindsight> that's why there are all the safety codes to make it more or less idiot proof
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[17:47:29] <CaptHindsight> the stove is about the only place left where there isn't a safety system (halon) required by code in a domestic setting
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[17:54:47] <Tom_itx> not in 3rd world countries
[17:57:10] <CaptHindsight> they have different value systems
[17:58:06] <CaptHindsight> but we are catching up :)
[17:58:44] <Tom_itx> maybe a little too quick
[17:59:54] <skunkworks> Jymmm: keeping matches away from children...
[18:00:04] <skunkworks> (or lighters)
[18:00:20] <Jymmm> skunkworks: Thanks.
[18:01:58] <skunkworks> stupid question.. How do you add a page to the wiki?
[18:02:35] <Jymmm> skunkworks: just make up a url then click on edit
[18:03:41] <Jymmm> skunkworks: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?skunkworks
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[18:04:09] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[18:04:43] <Tom_itx> Jymmm do they take on that format?
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[18:04:50] <Tom_itx> or can you use your own
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[18:05:18] <Jymmm> ?
[18:05:45] <Jymmm> can you rephrase that
[18:05:49] <Tom_itx> i considered adding the bitfile tutorials
[18:07:27] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/emc/xilinx/xilinx14_install_index.php
[18:07:31] <Tom_itx> but i'd like to see them like that
[18:08:01] <Tom_itx> i'd rather see them like the current document format than the wiki format
[18:08:18] <skunkworks> Jymmm: got it. Thanks.
[18:08:18] <skunkworks> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?NewTrajectoryControl
[18:08:18] <skunkworks> Now I just have to write something up...
[18:09:03] <Tom_itx> oh nice one skunkworks
[18:09:04] <Tom_itx> glad you decided to do that
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[18:11:39] <Tom_itx> Jymmm how do you edit an exhisting page?
[18:11:54] <Tom_itx> you gotta be owner of it?
[18:11:56] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: login at the bottom
[18:12:05] <Jymmm> nope, anyone can edit anything
[18:12:16] <Tom_itx> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?HostMot2
[18:12:24] <Tom_itx> might be better suited to put them there
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[18:58:06] <PetefromTn_> hey guys, got a question, if you needed to make a plastic machined piece that is dimensionally stable with temperature and also electrically isolated what kind of plastic would you choose?
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[18:59:29] <JT-Shop> ceramic
[18:59:45] <CaptHindsight> how stable over what temp?
[19:01:21] <CaptHindsight> http://www.azom.com/article.aspx?ArticleID=4100 here are some comparisons
[19:01:33] <PetefromTn_> As stable as possible over human confortable temps...
[19:01:53] <jmasseo> that's not too bad over human temp ranges
[19:01:58] <PetefromTn_> JT-Shop: Can you machine ceramic?
[19:02:14] <PetefromTn_> jmasseo: What is not too bad?
[19:02:21] <jmasseo> thermal expansion
[19:02:55] <skunkworks> it is a start http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?NewTrajectoryControl
[19:03:16] <CaptHindsight> http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/linear-expansion-coefficients-d_95.html
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[19:03:29] <PetefromTn_> Lets say you had a piece that was like 3.5" by 1.5" tall and it was machined with a pocket inside it, how much expansion are we talking about with say a 30 degree temp change?
[19:04:13] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn_: formulas are next to those tables above
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[19:04:51] <PetefromTn_> I looked at some PEEK which I heard is both stable in temp and dimensional stability but for a piece of rod that size I would need to sell my car..
[19:05:25] <CaptHindsight> thats the fun of engineering
[19:05:37] <PetefromTn_> I was thinking some kinda Phenolic round stock but can't find it in a dimension that would be usable...
[19:09:30] <CaptHindsight> the lowest cost DIY would be aluminum filled epoxy
[19:12:23] <CaptHindsight> can you make it from metal and then electrically insulate the part?
[19:12:54] <CaptHindsight> what's the budget?
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[19:13:32] <PetefromTn_> Ally filled epoxy huh...
[19:15:04] <PetefromTn_> CaptHindsight: That is an option but it would complicate things...Trying to make this as simple as possible..
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[19:15:14] <CaptHindsight> or iron/steel powder
[19:15:50] <CaptHindsight> actually any resin filled with ceramics and or metals will reduce its CTE
[19:16:27] <os1r1s> Anyone use solidworks premium?
[19:16:44] <CaptHindsight> os1r1s: what about it?
[19:17:01] <CaptHindsight> it's not as good as NX or Catia :)
[19:17:19] <os1r1s> I need an STL reveresed to a solidworks model. I only have solidworks professional
[19:17:33] <os1r1s> I figured someone would be able to do it here :)
[19:19:47] <CaptHindsight> you can import an STL but it won't have the part history
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[19:20:11] <os1r1s> CaptHindsight: I don't think I can do solid operations on it though
[19:20:22] <os1r1s> extrude cut, extrude, etc, etc
[19:20:33] <CaptHindsight> nope, it will just be "there"
[19:20:48] <CaptHindsight> no mods
[19:21:04] <CaptHindsight> unless it's in '14
[19:21:15] <os1r1s> With premium I used to be able to reverse it to models
[19:21:37] <CaptHindsight> maybe if it started in SW
[19:21:51] <os1r1s> Weird
[19:22:07] <CaptHindsight> I know imports don't work from other sources
[19:22:26] <os1r1s> I thought I did it 2012
[19:22:52] <CaptHindsight> maybe if it started in SW and then you export to STL and then re-import back to SW
[19:23:13] <CaptHindsight> maybe it tags on some metadata
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[19:23:40] <Tom_itx> os1r1s you should be able to convert it
[19:24:01] <os1r1s> Tom_itx: I thought I could, but I can't seem to make it work
[19:24:05] <Tom_itx> mmm
[19:24:18] <os1r1s> I'm gonna wind up redrawing it at this rate. IT just sucks, because I need jsut a few mods to it
[19:24:44] <Tom_itx> what happens if you export that to iges then bring it back?
[19:24:56] <Tom_itx> same thing?
[19:25:27] <os1r1s> I haven't tried. Its an STL now. I can give htat a shot
[19:30:49] <PetefromTn_> Just looked up delrin and it's CTE is like 6.8 so if I am making a part that is 1.5 tall the thermal expansion of a 30 degree temp change is like .0003" does that sound correct?
[19:33:34] <IchGuckLive> os1r1s: did you got a look on my tutorials about this
[19:33:36] <os1r1s> IchGuckLive: I did
[19:33:46] <PetefromTn_> It is in/in/°f 6.8x10 to the -5 power
[19:33:54] <os1r1s> Scratch that
[19:33:55] <os1r1s> I didn't know you had tutorials :)
[19:33:55] <IchGuckLive> PetefromTn_: did you recive the new 3d modeling
[19:34:02] <os1r1s> I have looked for tutorials
[19:34:07] <IchGuckLive> with the Blender wood
[19:34:12] <PetefromTn_> IchGuckLive: Huh?
[19:37:00] <PetefromTn_> Not sure what you are talking about man..
[19:40:05] <IchGuckLive> PetefromTn_: dident you abo my channe sory then
[19:40:50] <PetefromTn_> IchGuckLive: Man what about 3d modeling? I don't understand you.
[19:44:58] <IchGuckLive> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gCPopFVqdc
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[19:53:49] <PetefromTn_> CaptHindsight: It is 6.8 not 68.0 no?
[19:56:07] <CaptHindsight> http://ensinger-inc.com/products.cfm?page=product&product=delrinandreg;+acetal+homopolymer
[19:56:23] <CaptHindsight> CTE, linear 122 µ m/m-°C 68.0 µ in/in-°F ASTM D696
[20:00:42] <PetefromTn_> Yeah I see that I got 6.8 from another site pdf here..
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[20:05:50] <Deejay> re
[20:10:40] <JT-Shop> so much for a bicycle ride... it's raining
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[20:14:47] <Tom_itx> time to code
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[20:17:59] <JT-Shop> work on the splitter a bit
[20:23:31] <PetefromTn_> It's an absolutely GORGEOUS day here today. Nice and sunny and probably 65 degrees...
[20:44:25] <CaptHindsight> for 10.04 are the blahblah.XML files supposed to be in /lib/firmware/blahblah and the blahblah.bit files in /lib/firmware/hm2/blahblah/ ?
[20:47:17] <JT-Shop> for a blahblah yea
[20:47:31] <CaptHindsight> JT-Shop: do the .xml files have to be in both locations or just in /lib/firmware/blahblah/ ?
[20:47:58] <JT-Shop> .xml files for what?
[20:48:34] <CaptHindsight> lest say it's a 9i63 (doesn't exist as a real part number)
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[20:49:18] <CaptHindsight> so 9i63x2.xml for the sake of discussion
[20:49:36] <CaptHindsight> and I also have a 9i63x2.bit
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[20:50:12] <CaptHindsight> where directory locations are they each supposed to be in?
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[20:50:46] <JT-Shop> is the xml file for pncconf?
[20:51:08] <CaptHindsight> that's a good question
[20:51:35] <JT-Shop> I'm pretty sure that only pncconf uses the xml files
[20:51:44] <JT-Shop> but I may be wrong
[20:51:50] <JT-Shop> what are you trying to do?
[20:52:09] <CaptHindsight> are the *.xml files that come from the mesa site just for pncconf? say the ones from here http://www.mesanet.com/software/parallel/5i25.zip
[20:53:14] <CaptHindsight> JT-Shop: I'm trying to write a clear and simple howto for setting up a system with a Mesa FPGA card that has not been programmed or has the wrong *.bit file loaded
[20:56:06] <JT-Shop> gotcha
[20:56:33] <JT-Shop> I'm not sure what the xml files from Mesa are, pcw_home might know
[20:56:35] <CaptHindsight> lets say I install the live-dc and then I I grab your mill configs
[20:57:03] <CaptHindsight> live-cd even
[20:57:16] <JT-Shop> to flash the 5i25 is a fairly simple process IIRC
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[20:57:25] <JT-Shop> sure
[20:57:36] <CaptHindsight> then I download your configs http://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/configs/files/5i25-7i76.zip
[20:57:48] <CaptHindsight> since I am going to use the same setup
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[20:58:38] <CaptHindsight> I am trying to definitively see what files have to go where
[20:59:00] <CaptHindsight> vs just having multiple copies everywhere just to be sure they work :)
[20:59:06] <JT-Shop> the 5i25 does not need a bit file to work if it is flashed for your daughter card
[20:59:34] <CaptHindsight> yes, lets say it does not or has the wrong *.bit file
[20:59:49] <JT-Shop> you don't need any files to run a 5i25... the only exception is if you change from a 7i76 to a 7i77
[20:59:50] <CaptHindsight> or you just really want to be sure it's the correct *.bit file
[21:00:17] <JT-Shop> sure, you just flash the card
[21:00:37] <JT-Shop> I have some notes somewhere... let me look
[21:00:44] <CaptHindsight> yes, it could be a change like that or to some new card 7i79 or something else new in 2 years
[21:01:45] <CaptHindsight> JT-Shop: ok, but where do the files all have to be placed in order for successful programming, pncconf etc to work
[21:02:10] <JT-Shop> pncconf you have to ask cmorley
[21:02:12] <CaptHindsight> without just having copies of entire trees in every /lib/blahblah
[21:02:14] <JT-Shop> on the forum
[21:02:29] <JT-Shop> like I said you don't need any files to run a 5i25
[21:02:43] <CaptHindsight> yes, I want to write the howto to cover all the cases
[21:03:10] <JT-Shop> dang I just sold another Spyder accessory
[21:04:01] <CaptHindsight> ok for instance I just installed a Linuxcnc and copied over the configs for a mill, say they are yours from http://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/configs/files/5i25-7i76.zip
[21:04:21] <CaptHindsight> the PC has a new 6i25
[21:04:40] <CaptHindsight> and I grab a 7i76 and plus it all in
[21:05:00] <CaptHindsight> I don't know what 6i25 was ever programmed with
[21:05:29] <CaptHindsight> could be the recipe for chicken salad
[21:06:16] <JT-Shop> I found the mesaflash but can't find my notes
[21:06:26] <CaptHindsight> without programming this 6i25 when I run your config I get a watchdog not found in the HAL
[21:06:53] <CaptHindsight> so it looks like I have the wrong *.bit file or no bit file flashed
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[21:08:38] <CaptHindsight> I know how to run the flash util
[21:09:24] <CaptHindsight> but I'm not certain where *.xml, *.bit have to be other than just copying them to 4 different places just to be sure :)
[21:12:31] <CaptHindsight> and where should the *.pin files be placed?
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[21:19:43] <JT-Shop> just copying files around the computer will do nothing for a 5i25 as it doesn't use any
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[21:21:20] <CaptHindsight> mesaflash needs to know what *.bit and *.pin file to use
[21:21:39] * JT-Shop learned never try and install a screen protector on your phone in a dusty shop... you ain't gonna get it on faster than dust can make mountains on your screen
[21:21:51] <JT-Shop> sure and they are in the local directory with mesaflash
[21:23:45] <cmorley> .xml and .pin file go in /lib/firmware/hm2/<BOARDNAME>
[21:24:15] <cmorley> XML files are only required for pncconf
[21:24:32] <CaptHindsight> cmorley: thank you, please continue
[21:24:56] <cmorley> the 5i25 doesn't require the .pin either as it is flashed
[21:26:25] <cmorley> .pin files go somewhere else: hold on..
[21:27:28] <CaptHindsight> are the XML files for anything other than pncconf?
[21:28:07] <CaptHindsight> I just tried a new 6i25 in a new install and I'm getting missing pin errors in the debug file
[21:28:16] <cmorley> /usr/share/doc/hostmot2-firmware-<BOARNAME>
[21:28:31] <JT-Shop> I think I made cmorley computer ring :)
[21:28:38] <cmorley> but thats just human readable pin designations
[21:29:03] <cmorley> JT-Shop : coollo
[21:29:10] <JT-Shop> CaptHindsight, that could very well be your config
[21:29:17] <JT-Shop> Hi Chris
[21:29:20] <cmorley> XML is just for pncconf
[21:29:41] <CaptHindsight> JT-Shop: it's your config that works fine on an exact same system
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[21:29:53] * JT-Shop just did a perfect job of welding the legs on the work table of the splitter upside down
[21:30:00] <cmorley> how did you make the config for the 6i25?
[21:30:17] <JT-Shop> what pins is it complaining about?
[21:30:26] <CaptHindsight> JT-Shop: the only difference is that this is a brand new system and 6i25 + 7i76
[21:30:54] <CaptHindsight> JT-Shop: the first error is missing watchdog
[21:31:25] <CaptHindsight> cmorley: it's a good working config from another system
[21:32:05] <cmorley> name change from hm2? board not seated properly?
[21:32:19] <cmorley> AFAIK every config has a watchdog
[21:32:36] <JT-Shop> that is what I remember as well
[21:33:11] <JT-Shop> do you have the exact error?
[21:33:31] <CaptHindsight> I'll have to get IRC up on the other system, hold on
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[21:35:21] <CaptHindsight> here we go
[21:36:35] <newinstall> 7i76.hal:43 parameter or pin 'hm2_5i25.0.watchdog.timeout_ns' not found
[21:36:41] <CaptHindsight> jfc the terminal with the error doesn't let you cut n paste, nice
[21:36:53] <newinstall> show pin in halcmd shows nothing as if firmware is not loaded
[21:37:48] <CaptHindsight> after flashing does it require a reboot or a complete power down?
[21:38:00] <CaptHindsight> we did a reboot anyway
[21:38:31] <cmorley> yes reboot required AFAIK
[21:38:51] <cmorley> sorry power cycle of board
[21:38:58] <CaptHindsight> newinstall: this is the actual machine
[21:39:28] <CaptHindsight> cmorley: so power off and then restart vs just a hot reboot
[21:39:34] <newinstall> this is the content of ls /usr/share/doc | grep hostmot2
[21:39:38] <newinstall> http://pastebin.ca/2645510
[21:39:38] <CaptHindsight> lets try that
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[21:39:58] <cmorley> Yes I'm sure peter said a power cycle is required.
[21:41:10] <cmorley> ya the /doc files are not require for the card to work
[21:41:16] <CaptHindsight> power is coming back up
[21:41:56] <CaptHindsight> ok same problem/error
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[21:43:59] <JT-Shop> yea, you need to power down the 5i25 after a flash I think
[21:44:23] <CaptHindsight> are we supposed to run the mesaflash util from the mesa.com site for the 6i25 or do we need some other version of mesaflash?
[21:44:44] <CaptHindsight> JT-Shop: we just did, and the problem is still there
[21:44:47] * JT-Shop looks again for his notes
[21:44:54] <newinstall> you flash with .bit file yes?
[21:46:18] <cmorley> in a terminal run halrun then:
[21:46:31] <JT-Shop> I found my notes and they are for flashing the 7i77
[21:46:31] <cmorley> loadrt hostmot2
[21:46:40] <newinstall> loadrt hm2_pci && show pin ?
[21:46:52] <cmorley> loadrt hm2_pci config=""
[21:47:00] <cmorley> show
[21:48:00] <newinstall> http://pastebin.ca/2645511
[21:48:36] <cmorley> that should shown all the available pins
[21:48:48] <newinstall> there are available pins
[21:48:50] <newinstall> *are no
[21:50:26] <CaptHindsight> so what did we miss/skip/do wrong ?
[21:50:46] <cmorley> I would guess the reflash didn't work properly?
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[21:51:06] <newinstall> note that /sur/share/doc doesn't have a 5i25 folder
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[21:51:13] <newinstall> *usr
[21:51:36] <cmorley> ya the 5i25 doesn't have any pin files - doesn't need them
[21:51:38] <JT-Shop> yuck, no pins
[21:52:10] <CaptHindsight> does mesaflash use both the *.bit and the *.pin files?
[21:52:10] <newinstall> i flashed board with 5i25_7i76x2.bit
[21:52:12] <JT-Shop> reseat the card and double check the jumpers on the card
[21:52:39] <cmorley> .pin file are just for humans to read AFAIK
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[21:57:54] <CaptHindsight> lspci says it's still there
[21:58:01] <CaptHindsight> trying a reflash now
[21:58:06] <CaptHindsight> jumpers look fine
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[22:00:16] <CaptHindsight> and same error
[22:00:54] <CaptHindsight> http://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/configs/files/5i25-7i76.zip using this config
[22:02:11] <CaptHindsight> using mesaflash from the mesa site for the 6i25 that come with the software configs
[22:02:41] <CaptHindsight> http://www.mesanet.com/software/parallel/5i25.zip
[22:06:51] <CaptHindsight> this is 10.04 live cd install with 2.43
[22:07:07] <CaptHindsight> it's not upgraded to 2.5.3
[22:08:39] <CaptHindsight> any ideas?
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[22:09:52] <cmorley> maybe you need to upgrade. at some point the 5i25 was added to hostmot2 just not sure when
[22:10:07] <cmorley> but 2.5 might be it
[22:10:15] <CaptHindsight> lets try that
[22:10:49] <Jymmm> too many fucking different TYPES of plumbing threads =(
[22:12:19] <CaptHindsight> cmorley: didn't you write some updated mesaflash util as well?
[22:12:38] <CaptHindsight> https://sites.google.com/site/andrewscnc/files/5i25UPDATE.zip?attredirects=0&d=1
[22:12:40] <cmorley> No not me.
[22:13:29] <cmorley> those are the XML file for using pncconf
[22:13:32] <CaptHindsight> http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/39-pncconf/26359-5i25-firmware-install-utility#41140
[22:14:03] <CaptHindsight> pcw_home: around?
[22:14:20] <CaptHindsight> unless his flasher is for 2.5?
[22:14:33] <CaptHindsight> did the locations for the required files change?
[22:15:08] <cmorley> the pin, doc and XML file locations didn't change
[22:15:31] <cmorley> I've never flashed a 5i25 so can't help much there
[22:15:39] <CaptHindsight> ok, 2.5 upgrade in progress
[22:15:52] <CaptHindsight> I can also try swapping 6i25's
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[22:25:09] <CaptHindsight> ok
[22:25:23] <CaptHindsight> so by upgrading to 2.5 it works!!!!
[22:28:41] <CaptHindsight> so if someone wants to use 6i25 they have to use 2.5
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[22:30:02] <CaptHindsight> or a 5I25
[22:31:20] <CaptHindsight> cmorley: AND JT-Shop THANK YOU!
[22:31:40] <cmorley> excellent! glad could help
[22:32:05] <Jymmm> No thanks necessary, Insert Credit Card here -> [ ]
[22:32:18] <CaptHindsight> we'll compare later to see what changes were made
[22:32:34] <CaptHindsight> also when moving this to gentoo on x86 and ARM
[22:33:50] <CaptHindsight> so the only reason for .XML files is for pncconf?
[22:34:34] <CaptHindsight> I'll write this all up for noobs starting with a LiveCD
[22:38:22] <CaptHindsight> I also need to write up howto flash new firmware for noobs from the liveCD install
[22:38:23] <CaptHindsight> but it looks like install and upgrade to 2.5 is step 1 and 2
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[22:42:36] <CaptHindsight> Tom_itx cover some of this already http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/emc/xilinx/xilinx92_install_index.php
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[22:43:21] <CaptHindsight> but this is just a mess https://sites.google.com/site/andrewscnc/home/mesa5i25
[22:43:41] <CaptHindsight> nice pics though!
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[22:48:36] <pcw_home> CaptHindsight: mesaflash only needs the bitfile
[22:48:38] <pcw_home> (its almost but not quite capable of making pin files for pinout reference)
[22:50:46] <pcw_home> (and you have to cycle the power to update the FPGA with the nre flash EEPROM data)
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[22:52:40] <CaptHindsight> pcw_home: so what are the *.pin files for? reference?
[22:54:55] <pcw_home> yes pinout reference
[22:55:29] <CaptHindsight> and *.XML are only used for pncconf?
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[22:56:05] <pcw_home> yes
[22:56:16] <CaptHindsight> pcw_home: ok, great thanks!
[22:56:57] <CaptHindsight> I have to explain this to a government group this week
[22:57:22] <CaptHindsight> nothing like one hand not knowing what the other was doing
[22:59:28] <pcw_home> gummint or gummint contractor?
[22:59:29] <Deejay> gn8
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[23:00:34] <Tom_itx> pcw_home you care to add that to the hostmot2 wiki page?
[23:01:48] <CaptHindsight> guberment
[23:02:12] <Tom_itx> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?HostMot2
[23:02:16] <Tom_itx> or is that an old link
[23:02:22] <CaptHindsight> and university research lab
[23:03:03] <pcw_home> pretty ancient
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[23:05:34] <CaptHindsight> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811208054 fits in a carry-on
[23:05:59] <CaptHindsight> also has room for 24-40V DC supply and 7i76/7
[23:07:05] <Tom_itx> k
[23:08:15] <CaptHindsight> how long has it been since the core devs worked for NIST?
[23:08:42] <CaptHindsight> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LinuxCNC
[23:09:35] <CaptHindsight> what is old is new again
[23:20:35] <alex_joni> CaptHindsight: after the switch to sourceforge NIST didn't do much around emc
[23:20:42] <alex_joni> they still develop rcslib though
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[23:57:32] <Tom_itx> CaptHindsight, you were asking about cases couple days ago... inside the APEX case (large files): http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/intel_atom/detail/DSC_0007.JPG http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/intel_atom/detail/DSC_0008.JPG http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/intel_atom/detail/DSC_0011.JPG
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[23:59:12] <zeeshan> pyvcp uses xml too
[23:59:16] <zeeshan> whoops
[23:59:20] <zeeshan> i was scrolled back ;p
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