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[00:00:30] <rob_h> im sure some day soon dev guys will have multi linuxcnc instanaces working on one machine :)
[00:01:38] <CHNCguy> thanks rob, well gn8 guys :)
[00:01:43] <CHNCguy> thanks zeeshan
[00:01:46] <CHNCguy> that JT
[00:01:52] <CHNCguy> and more :)
[00:02:02] <zeeshan> gnite np!
[00:02:02] <CHNCguy> Oh and archivist :D
[00:02:03] <rob_h> ok night
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[00:02:15] <rob_h> if need more info showt
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[00:39:37] <archivist> rob_h, a bit of live switching between hal pins I think for the sliding heads, but where they are different is axes starting moves early during another's move
[00:40:29] <archivist> I think humans gcode writing is going to be special on them
[00:40:38] <rob_h> dont think would work.. as need to profile with X Z Y and X2 Z2 also
[00:40:57] <rob_h> its standard Gcode, just got sync codes
[00:41:41] <archivist> well having played with hobbing one can sync axes
[00:41:43] <rob_h> the same how our 4 axis lathe works so can use both turrets at once.. then just wait for top one to finish etc
[00:42:28] <rob_h> i need to use sub spindle slides to pickup parts out main spnidle, then do back work.. while main spindle does front work
[00:43:31] <archivist> I can see a need for independence of front and back motion also
[00:43:38] <rob_h> also have power tooling for front spindle, and indexing
[00:44:17] <archivist> mine has back tooling too, drilling
[00:44:52] <rob_h> i have one slide with a single power holder... then one with 3 holder slots at exspense of less turning tools
[00:45:33] <archivist> but thinking of not using the drilling assembly and making it more like a citizen
[00:45:44] <rob_h> if it came to conversion id prob make spindle C axis also
[00:47:53] <rob_h> the driven guide bush makes it dam noisy machine tho
[00:47:54] <archivist> soon be time to stare at them at mach2014
[00:48:03] <rob_h> lo ye
[00:48:25] <rob_h> and the bar feeds that cost nearly as much as the machine next to them
[00:48:52] <archivist> mine has a single tube feed
[00:49:02] <archivist> human reload
[00:49:07] <rob_h> what this had shown in the manual
[00:49:29] <rob_h> but it came with nothing and i think they had a full auto on it also as multi socket on there and plc is ready for it
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[00:50:31] <archivist> when i did some time on a capstan the tube barfeed was noisy
[00:50:53] <rob_h> ye we got rid of our air ones from all the lathes now too
[00:51:09] <rob_h> changed them all to hydrolic, finish is much better also no bar rattle
[00:52:16] <rob_h> just changed our lathes to a new neat oil also now... so more water based there. gone to a easter based oil
[00:53:57] <rob_h> ri late now. so sleep time
[00:54:18] <archivist> at the last job the machines ran on neat oil
[00:54:47] <archivist> bed is the only warm place here
[00:55:35] * Jymmm hands archivist a gallon of gas and box of matches
[00:55:51] <rob_h> no more bed
[01:03:23] <Jymmm> I need to make a fixture to hold multi thin (0.050") parts and be able to flip them over. I'm thinking like three layers, the outter two being 1/8" for rigidity. What I can't figure out is how to "clamp" or fasten them together so the pieces are still at the same height.
[01:04:12] <Jymmm> Max dimension about 24" x 12"
[01:06:35] <Tom_itx> double back tape
[01:06:38] <Tom_itx> superglue
[01:06:41] <Tom_itx> ....
[01:07:51] <Jymmm> The pieces are small, the fixtures are to un/load them into the laser. Then flip over to do the backside.
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[01:10:50] <Jymmm> I dont think glue or tap is the right answer.
[01:11:16] <Tom_itx> what is?
[01:12:05] <Jymmm> Robotic feeder system, but I'm not there yet.
[01:12:14] <Jymmm> maybe magnets?
[01:12:48] <Tom_itx> you didn't specify the material
[01:12:54] <Tom_itx> you're cheating
[01:13:27] <Jymmm> I could glue the magnets to whatever
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[02:30:43] <someone972> I finally got the jogging on my diy cnc controller working with integer math
[02:32:01] <someone972> Turns out the overstepping problem I had was due to integer truncation when calculating the delay to the next step
[02:32:09] <someone972> Adding 0.5 fixed that right up
[02:38:40] <someone972> So what's the best way to calculate the maximum acceleration?
[02:41:48] <Jymmm> =< speed of light in a vacuum
[02:42:13] <someone972> ha!
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[02:58:35] <Jymmm> archivist: It's hella slow to load, but you might like this...
http://www.viralnova.com/randall-woodworking/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=aweber
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[03:12:55] <owhite> hey people.
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[03:13:50] <owhite> could anyone hook me up with documentation for the hal component oneshot? I cant find out if it uses units as seconds or milliseconds.
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[03:16:12] <cradek> owhite: man oneshot
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[03:17:03] <owhite> cradek: sorry. I should have known.
[03:17:15] <cradek> eh, it was nothing :-)
[03:18:36] <owhite> I promise, I always try to get an answer from the documentation.
[03:30:53] <Tom_itx> then what would we do?
[03:32:00] <Tom_itx> also look at edge
[03:32:06] <Tom_itx> very similar
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[08:06:35] <Deejay> moin
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[10:52:29] <jthornton> morning
[11:01:17] <archivist> panic...made gears for someone in Cyprus, coming to pickup in person tomorrow, have to tidy up
[11:02:32] <RyanS> hes keen
[11:02:49] <archivist> she I think
[11:03:16] <archivist> but dunno with some names
[11:03:27] <RyanS> like 'whatevs'
[11:05:50] <RyanS> They don't make gears too good in Cyprus :P
[11:10:11] <jthornton> you will have to take a photo for the record
[11:11:01] <RyanS> the customer or the gear? :)
[11:11:27] <jthornton> the clean shop
[11:11:50] <archivist> I wish that was possible
[11:12:15] <archivist> specially as I am spread around a house
[11:13:07] <archivist> kitchen for the lathe, a bedroom for the 5 axis and big toys in the garage with condensation dripping
[11:14:07] <archivist> best 3 to cust
http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2014/2014_01_19_Cyprus_gears/IMG_1735.JPG
[11:16:00] <RyanS> sheesh, you are like the ultimate cliche 'mad inventor'. They should make a documentary about you
[11:16:15] <jthornton> some kind of plastic?
[11:16:27] <archivist> yes a nylon I think
[11:17:39] <jthornton> yuck, I hate to machine nylon
[11:18:00] <archivist> stringy shite
[11:18:22] <jthornton> yea
[11:18:39] <archivist> no blunt tooling to be used at all
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[11:19:21] <archivist> will take you a "while" to clean the furries off later too
[11:21:08] <RyanS> Don't get me wrong, it sounds pretty awesome.. It's better than I don't know , spo'srt
[11:21:17] <RyanS> sport
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[15:07:32] <CHNCguy> hey hey guys :)
[15:11:48] <PetefromTn> hey man..
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[15:19:51] <CHNCguy> crappy internet today ;(....hey guys I am going to make a full manual for linuxcnc, a very streamlined manual so people can move from beginner to advanced in steps, anyone interested in helping me add info to it? I know linuxcnc.org has a manual but I believe it lacks imagination and flow...so by making the manual I will also learn more about linux
[15:19:51] <CHNCguy> cnc
[15:20:59] <archivist> or just fix things in the current manual
[15:21:20] <archivist> probably needs a similar level of understanding
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[15:51:09] <JT-Shop> ouch
[15:52:22] <archivist> his comment or mine :)
[15:53:43] <archivist> I know I got fed up chasing around the manual to answer his VFD question yesterday
[15:54:01] <Jymmm> archivist++
[15:55:32] <eric_unterhausen> the problem with emc/lcnc for beginners has always been that there is too much to learn
[15:55:47] <eric_unterhausen> and everyone always seems to want to do things a different way
[15:56:05] <eric_unterhausen> so you can't really have a "beginners" manual because it wouldn't be sufficient for most people
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[16:08:34] * JT-Shop looks for a copy of the old manuals
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[16:12:48] <Einar_> The current manuals are a lot better than the old ones. There are still things that can be better, but it always will. One thing I'm missing is more about lathes.
[16:13:14] * JT-Shop tips his hat to eric_unterhausen
[16:14:01] <Einar_> Currently the poll shows 7.2% lathe users. Is this because there is little interest, or because many did not figure it out?
[16:14:50] <JT-Shop> I don't think most people take the poll and those that just get it don't even visit the forum or IRC or mailing list
[16:16:03] <Einar_> Maybe, but there are 17 587 voters, so it should be representative?
[16:16:49] <jdh> I would be a lathe user if I could find an X ballscrew solution I liked.
[16:17:02] <JT-Shop> more than I would have imagined
[16:17:13] * JT-Shop thinks a small fire is in order
[16:17:55] <Einar_> What don't you like with the available ballscrews?
[16:18:31] <jdh> fitting one to my X axis.
[16:18:52] <jdh> small lathe, can't go in the original screw location
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[16:27:43] <IchGuckLive> Tom_itx: i added blanking to the laser
http://youtu.be/1L1VR8U74us
[16:28:24] <IchGuckLive> But i killed the diode the good one on blanking started at powerup so double power bevor warmap AUTSCH
[16:28:50] <IchGuckLive> i got 12 Laser DVD in backup ;-) smile
[16:31:47] <jdh> any better diode source? bluray burner?
[16:32:07] <IchGuckLive> they only got 85mW
[16:32:20] <IchGuckLive> i dont think that is enoph
[16:32:43] <IchGuckLive> but Loetmichel got a 50mW that also burns wood ask him
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[16:33:34] <WalterN> CaptHindsight: oh hey, what is that liquid plastic company you work for again?
[16:33:41] <Loetmichel> IchGuckLive: not wood
[16:33:58] <Loetmichel> black glass reinforced plastics
[16:36:09] <IchGuckLive> on ebay i will order a lense and tube holder will see if i can get a brighter path ebay dealer-> ether.deal offers nice for 4EUR
[16:36:30] * Tom_itx gives IchGuckLive a steadycam mount
[16:36:46] <IchGuckLive> Tom_itx: got lots of them
[16:37:01] <IchGuckLive> but i use freehad movement for live action
[16:37:05] <Tom_itx> does the laser work better?
[16:37:21] <Tom_itx> doesn't burn as much where it stops
[16:37:38] <Tom_itx> the 'live action' makes me dizzy
[16:37:44] <Loetmichel> and if i am really hones: i doubt that 50mw
[16:37:56] <Loetmichel> the led casing gets hot VERY quick
[16:38:20] <Loetmichel> and it draws a few 100 mA at 5V
[16:38:23] <IchGuckLive> yes but 1hr for the break the diode now is crap but i keep it till the next break i got a box with 35DVD's and now 12 are left
[16:39:00] <Tom_itx> so i understand you gotta leave it on with low power or it will burn up?
[16:39:05] <Tom_itx> 4ma start
[16:39:19] <Tom_itx> then to burn run at 100ma
[16:39:22] <Tom_itx> ?
[16:39:27] <IchGuckLive> 255
[16:39:35] <IchGuckLive> 265 is the burnout
[16:39:52] <Tom_itx> need aluminum heatsink around it?
[16:40:05] <IchGuckLive> if you go for lm317 i woudt stay with 200mA
[16:40:10] <IchGuckLive> yes
[16:40:24] <Loetmichel> btw: DVD diodes are not really powerful
[16:40:26] <IchGuckLive> look at the part in the ebay link
[16:40:32] <IchGuckLive> http://www.ebay.de/itm/290564548396
[16:40:37] <Tom_itx> CD won't work?
[16:40:48] <Loetmichel> got a 4W IR laser diode some very long time ago... THAT was ok
[16:40:50] <IchGuckLive> this and a lathe cooler will do the 8hr job
[16:41:01] <Loetmichel> Tom_itx: CD lasers are IR, and much elss power
[16:41:04] <Loetmichel> less
[16:41:17] <Tom_itx> ahh
[16:41:29] <IchGuckLive> in the DVD there are 2 Diodes
[16:41:41] <IchGuckLive> one IR to read and one RED to burn
[16:42:21] <IchGuckLive> identified easy as the Red is the one with the cooling outfit
[16:44:56] <IchGuckLive> Tom_itx: the seller got more pices and it reduces the costs in USA i woudt order 10pcs of the laserframe
[16:45:10] <IchGuckLive> and build a very good beamer
[16:45:38] <IchGuckLive> to empress the town on holidays
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[16:45:53] <Tom_itx> i'll dig around and see if i have one
[16:46:08] <IchGuckLive> there are effect glases that divides the beams so it looks lige a net or cube
[16:46:08] <Tom_itx> what feed did you use?
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[16:46:52] <IchGuckLive> look iat the video its 150mm/min 6in/min
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[16:47:03] <Tom_itx> about what i guessed
[16:47:06] <IchGuckLive> the good one had double
[16:47:57] <Tom_itx> laser pointers probably aren't strong enough
[16:48:06] <IchGuckLive> no they arent
[16:48:07] <Loetmichel> Tom_itx: that depends ;-)
[16:48:21] <IchGuckLive> in EU 5mW is max
[16:48:35] <IchGuckLive> if you go above Jail is near
[16:48:43] <IchGuckLive> O.O B)
[16:49:36] <Loetmichel> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-shipping-2014-newest-High-power-10000mw-laser-pointer-flashlight-mantianxing-green-pen-laser-light/1362813181.html
[16:49:41] <Loetmichel> that could do the trick ;-)
[16:49:47] <Tom_itx> what do laserjets use?
[16:49:58] <Loetmichel> Tom_itx: depends
[16:50:12] <Loetmichel> the old laserjet 4 use a 100mW IR diode
[16:50:25] <Loetmichel> some modern ones use a bigger one because of higher speed
[16:50:43] <Loetmichel> but its always IR
[16:51:58] <IchGuckLive> the redy made Router including all componets is 500Eur so its only fun and therfore to stay as cheep as you can
[16:52:52] <jmasseo> toner is heat curing right
[16:52:59] <Tom_itx> yes
[16:53:05] <jmasseo> i was confused there for a second
[16:53:14] <jmasseo> conflated 'IR' with 'UV curing ink'
[16:53:53] <Tom_itx> http://lifehacker.com/287252/turn-a-flashlight-into-a-handheld-burning-laser
[16:55:09] <IchGuckLive> http://www.ebay.de/itm/HIGH-PRECISE-SPEED-CO2-LASER-ENGRAVER-ENGRAVING-CUTTING-MACHINE-Gravurmaschine-/151162253706?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_77&hash=item2331f8f18a
[16:56:18] <IchGuckLive> he also got nice small routers
[16:56:25] <IchGuckLive> im off bye till later
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[16:56:44] <Loetmichel> jmasseo: the decharging of the optical drum works best with IR, though
[17:02:52] <Tom_itx> ok maybe the one i did this project with would work:
http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/mtkflash/flash_howto_index.php
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[17:50:41] <JT-Shop> nap time!
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[18:03:59] <Tom_itx> lunch first
[18:04:56] <Tom_itx> wb andypugh
[18:05:07] <andypugh> Hi chaps
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[18:08:28] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
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[18:09:46] <IchGuckLive> hi owhite is there snow at your place ;-)
[18:10:14] <owhite> i'm in baltimore. We had some this morning. And some already on the ground.
[18:10:45] <CaptHindsight> IchGuckLive: you might have just overheated your bluray laser diode
[18:10:59] <IchGuckLive> im in germany we had also some but only for 2hr tonigt then it warmed up again to 6′C
[18:10:59] <owhite> hi people gladevcp doesnt seem to catch when I Ctrl-c out of gmoccapy very well. Any suggestions ?
[18:11:29] <IchGuckLive> CaptHindsight: i will tr again but normaly they are gone forever
[18:11:47] <CaptHindsight> overheated is why it's dead
[18:12:00] <owhite> ichgucklive I've only been in your country in the spring and summer - amazing weather.
[18:12:01] <CaptHindsight> not that it got too hot and will work after it cools down
[18:12:27] <owhite> are there any gmoccapy coders on line today?
[18:12:41] <IchGuckLive> yes the startup power is wy to high it needs about 30sec belo 20mA to function propper if you go ahead with 2780ma its gione
[18:12:51] <CaptHindsight> IchGuckLive: you might want to monitor the temp of the diode and add some thermal management such as a heat sink or forced air
[18:13:22] <IchGuckLive> ill do
[18:14:11] <CaptHindsight> but since cheap is the main goal when designing a bluray/DVD burner they don't design for max power at 100% duty cycle for long periods
[18:14:43] <CaptHindsight> but they are low cost, especially used ones
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[18:18:31] <CaptHindsight> IchGuckLive:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/445nm-Blue-2-Watt-Laser-Diode-Replacement-Casio-XJ-m140-With-Lens-ESD-Packaging-/111111574395?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19dec4137b
[18:18:58] <CaptHindsight> you might want to use one of these instead of the 405nm
[18:19:50] <IchGuckLive> im on a 6235nm
[18:19:54] <CaptHindsight> only $35ea 2W and take a look at its work
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gF4HG6v29UY
[18:19:55] <IchGuckLive> 635
[18:22:08] <CaptHindsight> if can get IR for cheap it's more efficient than visible spectrum for marking/cutting
[18:22:57] <Tom_itx> IchGuckLive, i pulled the laser leftover from this project:
http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/mtkflash/flash_howto_index.php
[18:23:10] <Tom_itx> gotta dig down to find the led now
[18:23:33] <Tom_itx> it may not be one that will work
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[18:25:26] <IchGuckLive> CaptHindsight: but you need 24 of the diodes to do the cut
[18:25:31] <IchGuckLive> so ot cheep
[18:25:53] <IchGuckLive> i got 35DVD burners for 50EUr
[18:26:04] <heathmanc> Hey Tom_itx, just to let you know, just used your guide to make a bitfile for a 4i65, worked great. Thanks!
[18:26:09] <CaptHindsight> you can buy ~800nm laser diodes for ~$35ea 1-2W
[18:26:35] <Tom_itx> heathmanc, no issues i need to add?
[18:26:55] <CaptHindsight> IchGuckLive: the casio uses a 2W diode at 455nm, you can use just one for cutting, the video just shows what it can do if you use all of them
[18:26:57] <heathmanc> just the pawn shop symbol thing.. Had me confused for a minute
[18:27:15] <heathmanc> But it was just me
[18:27:41] <heathmanc> used it to make a bitfile for a 7i48, worked perfectly first go round
[18:28:53] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/261278698233 http://www.ebay.com/itm/120921972102 with a nice big TO3 case
[18:29:18] <owhite> Answering my own question for archiving purposes, excuse the spam. Catching ctrl-C events in gladevcp is discussed here:
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gui/gladevcp.html see, on_unix_signal.
[18:29:58] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/110887865632 INDUSTRIAL-TO3-Package-3000mW-3W-808nm-810nm
[18:30:14] <CaptHindsight> 3 w for only $65
[18:30:27] <heathmanc> what is it capable of?
[18:31:19] <CaptHindsight> heathmanc: similar to this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gF4HG6v29UY
[18:31:35] <CaptHindsight> it depends on how it's focused as well
[18:31:53] <owhite> hey so has anyone used a touchscreen with linuxcnc?
[18:32:19] <IchGuckLive> owhite: some lathe users yes
[18:33:00] <IchGuckLive> owhite: its better to use a ofset matrix you can control
[18:33:04] <CaptHindsight> 2W is just output, 2w per sq cm won't do much, 2w per sq mm will burn lots, 2w per sq um will melt tungsten
[18:33:08] <owhite> do you have suggestions for what kind of things to watch out for, with respect to buying a touchscreen? Like, I'm wondering if all of them work with ubuntu, or is it a subset?
[18:33:39] <andypugh> I have a touchscreen on my milling machine, using the "TouchY interface and it is working well.
[18:34:04] <CaptHindsight> owhite: anything that works with ubuntu
[18:34:52] <heathmanc> stick with something made by ELO
[18:34:59] <heathmanc> widely supported in ubuntu
[18:35:20] <owhite> do you guys think it's possible to run two screens, one a touchscreen running an linuxcnc interface, the other with a "traditional ubuntu desktop"?
[18:35:39] <andypugh> I can't see any reason why not. Nor can I see why you would bother.
[18:36:18] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/120972149839 5W-808nm-IR-Laser-Diode-Cmount-Laser-w-h-TO3-Sealed-FAC-Lens-built-in
[18:36:19] <owhite> andypugh: so I'm thinking the touch screen would be relatively small, and near my machine, the other would be up on the wall.
[18:36:32] <owhite> heathmanc: thanks - I'm looking at them now.
[18:36:58] <heathmanc> would like to find something to do simple engraving with
[18:37:04] <IchGuckLive> CaptHindsight: if you order those in Germany you will not get them
[18:37:12] <andypugh> That ought to work. But be careful what you control with the touchscreen, you don't want accidental touches to cause machine movement.
[18:37:26] <CaptHindsight> IchGuckLive: do they require a special license?
[18:38:20] <owhite> >forehead smack< andy, thanks. good advice.
[18:38:55] <CaptHindsight> IchGuckLive: whatever diode you decide to use for continuous use at 100% duty cycle, keep it cool <60C at the case or lower, it will last years
[18:40:01] <CaptHindsight> andypugh: back from the slopes?
[18:40:37] <andypugh> Yes, unfortunately
[18:40:38] <CaptHindsight> andypugh: did you manage a working kernel and EMC on the Udoo before you left?
[18:40:59] <andypugh> Kernel yes, Xenomai tests, yes. LinuxCNC not quite.
[18:41:13] <owhite> damn - ebay just got smarter - they have dropdown menus to search for things like screen size.
[18:42:15] <CaptHindsight> same for the Cubioeboard, we stopped trying to patch things up and decided to just build everything correctly from scratch, the Linux images all have broken distros and packages
[18:42:44] <andypugh> brb, no milk/food/beer in the house.
[18:43:43] <owhite> grab me a sandwich.
[18:43:58] <CaptHindsight> sammich? :)
[18:46:11] <CaptHindsight> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/laser-engraving/40w-co2-laser-machine-software-training is the spot dia actually 25um or is the resolution just BS?
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[19:03:47] <IchGuckLive> CaptHindsight: in germany there is big trouble with lasers so max 5mW is alowed or you sign up for Lasersafty at VBG and you got a licend laser man with all the hints of safty
[19:04:17] <IchGuckLive> hi ekolojik welcome to the channel if a question just ask
[19:06:21] <CaptHindsight> IchGuckLive: can anyone purchase a complete laser cutter with >5mW laser inside without a license?
[19:07:25] <IchGuckLive> if you buy it inside yes but outside Germany the coustum service will make you a big bill and you might get in big trouble with the law an forcement
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[19:07:44] <CaptHindsight> interesting
[19:08:44] <CaptHindsight> we get asked for the most amount of info most often from German customs than any other country, France is #2
[19:09:01] <IchGuckLive> somthing like egyp tahier woudent you see in germany 100 of the >5mW laserbeams in privat hands
[19:09:29] <IchGuckLive> Safty is a big issue here
[19:10:03] <IchGuckLive> laserfreek metings are controled at the entry to the laserpowersafty
[19:10:48] <IchGuckLive> http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=laserfreak&sm=3
[19:12:45] <CaptHindsight> no safety guards on machines, and no laser license required in China, but we need certification to ship any fluids or powdered chemicals
[19:13:22] <IchGuckLive> china is growing and they will shure have rules soon
[19:13:45] <IchGuckLive> ok im off BYE
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[19:17:59] <CaptHindsight> http://www.nilno.com/cgi-bin/optics.cgi
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[19:46:14] <paul___> Hallo zusammen, kennt sich jemand mit dem stepconf-wizard aus? läßt sich nicht starten bringt Fehlermeldung, kenne mich nicht aus
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[22:14:35] <MrSunshine> gah i need cutting data for router bits in plywood .. :/
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[22:28:39] <Tom_itx> MrSunshine, try that one on for size:
http://www.onsrud.com/plusdocs/Doc/index.html?model.code=FeedSpeeds
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[22:42:45] <MrSunshine> Tom_itx, thanks .. kinda pita that i need to translate everything to metric tho :P
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[22:48:42] <cradek> today: high 53, low 0
[22:49:24] <Tom_itx> mid 60's here
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[22:52:23] <Tom_itx> can't find a phillips small enough to get this darn laser apart
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[23:08:55] <skunkworks> 15f here - supposed to drop to -21
[23:09:04] <skunkworks> very very windy
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[23:09:17] <Tom_itx> feel free to keep it
[23:10:10] <skunkworks> sorry tomorrow only - 14 tueday -21
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