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[00:00:33] <Tom_itx> oh, were you the one leaning on the shovel?
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[00:01:07] <JT-Shop> I was up on the bridge and supporting my partner who was working off of a ladder in the creek
[00:01:19] <JT-Shop> you know keep him supplied and working
[00:01:24] <Tom_itx> i always see city crews working on the corner ... maybe 5 or 6 of em and only one or two are doing anything
[00:02:11] <JT-Shop> yea, the big joke in New Orleans is what is yellow and black and sleeps 6?
[00:02:28] <JT-Shop> the sewage and water board trucks
[00:02:31] <Tom_itx> i believe that coming from down there
[00:02:54] <Tom_itx> that or slowvanna
[00:03:14] <Tom_itx> (savannah)
[00:05:04] <JT-Shop> we get er done and don't mess around
[00:07:36] <Loetmichel> Tom_itx:
http://s395.photobucket.com/user/tkoerting/media/manager_arbeiter.jpg.html
[00:07:40] <Loetmichel> this way?
[00:08:39] <Tom_itx> :)
[00:09:12] <Tom_itx> someone has to act like construction cones
[00:09:43] <syyl-> try not to move all day long?
[00:10:03] <Loetmichel> syyl-: that would be government clercs
[00:10:14] <Loetmichel> :-)
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[00:43:09] <tjb1> I need 20 of these -
https://www.dropbox.com/s/rcxzbwfcnohvegz/crownedcover.pdf
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[01:23:28] <owhite> hello everyone. I'm doing some hal programming on my mesa 5i20 card. One of the inputs to the card is meant throw an e-stop in linuxcnc. Could anyone make a suggestion for what pin I would tie the hm2_5i20.0.gpio.000.in to?
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[01:25:21] <Tom_itx> in or out?
[01:26:27] <owhite> so suppose theres a switch on one of the physical pins of the 5i20, the other side of the switch is tied to ground.
[01:26:51] <owhite> The 5i20 detects if that switch is open or close. When it's open, I want it to throw an estop.
[01:27:17] <Tom_itx> net estop-loop iocontrol.0.emc-enable-in <= hm2_[HOSTMOT2](BOARD).0.gpio.032.in
[01:28:32] <owhite> thanks. iocontrol.0.emc-enable-in is already in a net, do you know what created that net? or what command I would use to modify that net?
[01:28:55] <owhite> its not defined in any of my .hal files.
[01:29:48] <Tom_itx> it's a part of the iocontrol
[01:29:55] <Tom_itx> signal
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[01:31:12] <owhite> would I use unlinkp?
[01:32:03] <owhite> I'm asking because if I run that command you're suggesting it will complain that it's already part of a net.
[01:32:49] <Tom_itx> you should find where iocontrol.0.emc-enable-in is used then
[01:33:21] <owhite> ok.
[01:33:38] <Tom_itx> that's the signal you want the pin tied to
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[01:34:06] <Tom_itx> i think
[01:36:05] <owhite> :-) what's the worst that could happen?
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[01:51:47] <owhite> hey - do all the comments that happen on #linuxcnc get logged somewhere?
[01:52:09] <Tom_itx> yep
[01:52:26] <owhite> okay, in that case I think I'll post most solution here.
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[01:53:55] <owhite> my pin on the 5i20 was hm2_5i20.0.gpio.014, so I put: setp hm2_5i20.0.gpio.014.is_output false net and3_a and2.3.in0 hm2_5i20.0.gpio.014.in_not net and3_b and2.3.in1 iocontrol.0.user-enable-out net estop-loop and2.3.out => iocontrol.0.emc-enable-in and it worked. Thanks for everyone's patience with the spam
[01:54:21] <owhite> bleh. No end of lines. I'll let history figure that one out.
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[04:33:07] <CaptHindsight> from an ebay listing for linear bearings "some of the ball bearings have come out so you will need to put them back in"
[04:33:16] <eric_unterhausen> no prob
[04:33:36] <eric_unterhausen> for u
[04:34:38] <CaptHindsight> linear rail, linear slide, linear slide rail, linear bearing slide, linear bearing slide rail..... I give up
[04:35:24] <eric_unterhausen> what's annoying is the company named linear that makes food equipment
[04:35:56] <CaptHindsight> lol
[04:39:17] <CaptHindsight> linear motor positioners don't have leadscrews or ballscrews, but that's the fun of ebay
[04:39:52] <eric_unterhausen> there are all those linear stepper motors with lead screws
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[04:40:32] <eric_unterhausen> kinda surprsed how many of those show up on ebay
[04:40:52] <CaptHindsight> I just wasted half an hour looking for low profile linear rail and bearing blocks
[04:41:12] <eric_unterhausen> the problem is that so many of them aren't really made to take a load
[04:41:28] <CaptHindsight> it's almost as useless as searching on amazon now
[04:41:31] <eric_unterhausen> machining loads
[04:42:25] <CaptHindsight> these are for a contactless application, no real load except on the direction of motion
[04:42:41] <eric_unterhausen> ur in luck
[04:43:10] <Tom_itx> pbclinear
[04:43:55] <CaptHindsight> used linear servo motors 800mm long for $100
[04:44:08] <eric_unterhausen> what is it?
[04:44:25] <eric_unterhausen> I have some used magnet tracks
[04:45:06] <CaptHindsight> yes, that type of servo
[04:45:10] <eric_unterhausen> pretty much totally useless
[04:46:36] <CaptHindsight> I use them all the time
[04:46:58] <eric_unterhausen> the ones that work are not useless
[04:47:04] <eric_unterhausen> the ones I have are
[04:47:19] <CaptHindsight> recall the brand and size?
[04:47:30] <eric_unterhausen> magnets are falling apart
[04:47:43] <CaptHindsight> not good, pretty much useless
[04:47:46] <eric_unterhausen> what would you use for a forcer
[04:47:47] <eric_unterhausen> ?
[04:48:40] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/C105954-Kollmorgen-Motion-Platinum-DDL-Linear-Motor-w-768mm-Magnetic-Guide-Rail-/331091287648?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4d16941e60
[04:49:32] <eric_unterhausen> I had heard you could bolt them together, never seen it though
[04:49:39] <CaptHindsight> yes
[04:50:13] <eric_unterhausen> after my recent magnet track disaster, I'd want to see a better view of the innards
[04:50:33] <eric_unterhausen> but that's worth 100
[04:50:44] <CaptHindsight> that one is probably ~200 N
[04:51:20] <eric_unterhausen> make sure they ship it with the forcer packaged separately
[04:51:32] <CaptHindsight> the magents look pretty good the forcer looks beat
[04:51:49] <CaptHindsight> and not in a bag :)
[04:52:45] <CaptHindsight> that looks like it was under salt water
[04:52:46] <eric_unterhausen> I think the magnets may be delaminating
[04:53:08] <eric_unterhausen> you scratch them, years later the plating rusts off
[04:53:27] <eric_unterhausen> what a pain to try to clean
[04:53:39] <CaptHindsight> the insulation around the coils have the impression of the magnets
[04:54:00] <CaptHindsight> they should not be in contact
[04:54:10] <CaptHindsight> so that is really odd
[04:55:01] <CaptHindsight> http://imagebin.org/287237 this stage uses a few linear servos
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[10:47:17] <jthornton> morning
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[13:36:53] <skunkworks> http://electronicsam.com/images/control.jpg
[13:45:16] <Tom_itx> i'm glad you know where all those wires go
[13:45:50] <jdh> that is an impressive number of spaghettified wires
[13:47:30] <skunkworks> that was final disassembly...
[13:48:22] <mozmck> skunkworks: I was told you have an acroloc mill?
[13:48:41] <skunkworks> yes
[13:48:53] <skunkworks> non working recent purchase...
[13:49:10] <mozmck> Is it a pretty good machine? There is one near me with no tooling.
[13:50:05] <skunkworks> well - it is odd.. Some people like them from what I have read. The tooling is totally non standard. (we got a bunch when we purchased it)
[13:50:49] <skunkworks> they are, from what I have read, pretty darn fast
[13:51:48] <mozmck> non-standard tooling - makes this one not too interesting since there is none with it.
[13:52:55] <skunkworks> they look like hockey pucks
[13:53:19] <skunkworks> http://www.acroloc.com/Acroloc/Acroloc%20Tooling.htm
[13:54:09] <skunkworks> needless to say we have a matsuura that we will convert before the acroloc
[13:55:09] <mozmck> Do y'all have work for those machines or are you just having fun?
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[13:55:34] <eric_unterhausen> how does that tooling work?
[13:55:51] <skunkworks> the layout is sort of odd also. It is sort of like a knee mill with a quill - except instead of the knee moving up/down the sindle unit moves up and down.
[13:56:09] <eric_unterhausen> haas does that on their toolroom mill
[13:56:12] <skunkworks> mozmck, mostly for fun. Dad is retired.
[13:56:20] <skunkworks> (and I have a DayJob)
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[13:57:37] <mozmck> I see. I have plenty to do, but I would like to find and convert a small vmc to linuxcnc sometime. I can find stuff to do with it I'm sure.
[13:58:15] <skunkworks> dad just got this - it is much sexier..
http://imagebin.org/287781
[13:58:44] <Tom_itx> yeah i remeber seeing that one
[13:58:48] <eric_unterhausen> you think that was the stock color?
[13:58:53] <Tom_itx> +m
[13:58:54] <skunkworks> I think so
[13:58:59] <eric_unterhausen> needs flames or racing stripes
[13:59:08] <skunkworks> or devil horns
[13:59:17] <Tom_itx> i googled other pics of that model and they were red as well
[13:59:22] <eric_unterhausen> or several sets of devil horns
[13:59:22] <mozmck> hmm, that's larger than I want. My boss is scrapping out a leadwell about that size.
[13:59:46] <skunkworks> well - the acroloc we have is quite a bit bigger
[13:59:52] <mozmck> interesting.
[13:59:54] <skunkworks> footprint wize
[13:59:59] <eric_unterhausen> work has a centroid that color
[14:00:02] <mozmck> the one here looks a good bit smaller.
[14:02:06] <mozmck> skunkworks:
http://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/for/4256424656.html
[14:03:25] <eric_unterhausen> too bad about the tooling, looks like it's scrap
[14:03:52] <Tom_itx> skunkworks, you're not running production on them?
[14:04:03] <Tom_itx> that's alot of machine to have sitting around :)
[14:05:23] <skunkworks> mozmck, similar.. but it is missing all the coolant control tin..
[14:05:55] <mozmck> hmm
[14:06:11] <skunkworks> I thought I had pictures of ours..
[14:06:15] <skunkworks> hold on
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[14:06:48] <skunkworks> Tom_itx, agreed :)
[14:07:15] <skunkworks> I hate when I put photos onto imagebin and not my website
[14:08:36] <mozmck> don't worry, I don't think I'm interesting in this one.
[14:08:46] <mozmck> interested even...
[14:09:50] <Tom_itx> wtf were they thinking when they made that tooling?
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[14:10:53] <skunkworks> mozmck,
[14:10:54] <skunkworks> http://imagebin.org/288143
[14:11:12] <skunkworks> Tom_itx, seemed like a good idea at the time?
[14:11:51] <cradek> do people really take running machines out of service, or is that always a lie?
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[14:12:03] <Tom_itx> they do
[14:12:13] <cradek> and then discard all the tooling
[14:12:19] <Tom_itx> not usually
[14:12:37] <Tom_itx> usually a shop will keep it and use it on another machine if they have one it fits
[14:13:07] <Tom_itx> ours were either 40 or 50 taper
[14:13:15] <Tom_itx> among several machines
[14:13:57] <Tom_itx> about the only thing ever changed were the retention knobs
[14:13:59] <skunkworks> we are used to odd tooling.. The k&t has non standard tooling also - but we got a bunch
[14:14:09] <cradek> yeah I bet knobs never match
[14:14:20] <cradek> might actually be worse to have the taper match but not the knob
[14:14:31] <cradek> if it's totally different at least you won't get them confused
[14:14:36] <Tom_itx> we kept tool racks by each machine
[14:15:12] <Tom_itx> so if you borrowed a holder you knew
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[14:15:48] <Tom_itx> most cases the same jobs ran on the same machines so there wasn't alot of swapping
[14:16:19] <Tom_itx> ie you wouldn't run tungsten on a machine with a high speed spindle
[14:16:47] <Tom_itx> and you'd be foolish to run aluminum on a 'workhorse'
[14:17:41] <mozmck> cradek: I remember you have a smaller vmc - what make and model is it?
[14:19:27] <cradek> mori seiki MV Jr.
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[14:24:07] <Tom_itx> nice machine
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[14:24:22] <cradek> yeah, it's really great
[14:24:37] <Tom_itx> what do you do with it?
[14:24:55] <cradek> recently it holds down the floor for me
[14:25:06] <Tom_itx> you're not running production with it then?
[14:25:19] <cradek> nope
[14:25:22] <Tom_itx> "experimental"
[14:26:08] <Jymmm> cradek: pm?
[14:26:14] <skunkworks> Tom_itx, What is this 'production' thing you keep talking about?
[14:26:51] <mozmck> making millions of parts :)
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[14:29:15] <Jymmm> cradek: Do you know if PS has the ability to read from an external file or be able to have parameters passed to it externally somehow?
[14:30:26] <PetefromTn> Just logged in what are we talking about here?
[14:31:57] <skunkworks> PetefromTn, machines with odd tooling... (like acroloc...)
[14:32:17] <PetefromTn> aah,
[14:32:21] <skunkworks> and why we have cnc machines and not doing production with them.. Pete! this means you!
[14:32:27] <PetefromTn> What is chris saying is really great?
[14:33:00] <balestrino> i'm following gmoccapy wiki page instructions and i'm stuck at change.ngc file
[14:33:22] <PetefromTn> Acroloc has that funky round puck style tooling right..
[14:33:32] <skunkworks> right
[14:33:36] <balestrino> wiki says to uncomment lines 49 and 50 but my change.ngc contains only a few lines.
[14:34:26] <skunkworks> balestrino, I would make a guess that no one on right now has used gmoccapy.. You might want to post on the forum...
[14:36:59] <PetefromTn> Just looked at the logs. Apparently he was talking about his MV junior... Interesting machine is that the blue and white one?
[14:38:32] <skunkworks> http://geektrap.com/bill-files/01248711886/dscn8000.resized.jpg
[14:38:49] <skunkworks> it is blue and white
[14:39:38] <PetefromTn> Ooh pretty....!!
[14:40:56] <PetefromTn> Does it make a huge mess with the short enclosure walls? I know my machine has full enclosure with open top and it still occasionally sprays coolant out when I hit just the right pocket or something LOL
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[14:42:28] <balestrino> skunkworks, ok. I'm new to linuxcnc but gmoccapy seems to be a good interface, do you?
[14:43:00] <balestrino> is a good interface to start to work on?
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[14:51:29] <skunkworks> do you mean to use - or modify?
[14:54:02] <balestrino> both. Seems clear and organized and, as little as i know, easy modifiable adding tabs from ini file (with glade/python)
[14:57:42] <skunkworks> balestrino, have you looked through
http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/41-guis/26314-gmoccapy-a-new-screen-for-linuxcnc
[14:58:40] <balestrino> only a few pages. it's a huge topic :) but i'm going to read all posts
[14:59:00] <skunkworks> someone may have already addressed your problem.. If not - I would post there..
[14:59:34] <balestrino> ok thank you
[15:00:24] <skunkworks> heh - sorry I could not be of more help... (I use axis)
[15:01:37] <balestrino> axis is the "basic" linuxcnc interface?
[15:04:07] <skunkworks> heh - basic.. it is a pretty popular one.
[15:04:08] <skunkworks> http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/conversion/testing/Screenshot-axis.ngc%20-%20AXIS%202.5.0~pre%20on%20HM2-Servo.png
[15:04:25] <cradek> AXIS is probably the one we think of as the reference implementation today
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[15:35:07] <CaptHindsight> mozmck:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ACROLOC-M12-TOOL-HOLDERS-MANY-SIZES-AVAILABLE-/220088199124?pt=BI_Tool_Work_Holding&hash=item333e4767d4
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[15:37:44] <CaptHindsight> several others starting ~$25 ea
[15:38:42] <CaptHindsight> http://stores.ebay.com/The-JAB-Machinery-Sales-Store/ACROLOC-TOOLING-/_i.html?_fsub=2832968&_sid=4041463&_trksid=p4634.c0.m322
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[15:58:35] <PetefromTn> Jeez thats pretty reasonable... I wish I could buy decent quality Cat40 for that price LOL..
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[16:08:17] <CaptHindsight> depending on budget, time, skill and tools available one could swap the spindle for Cat40
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[16:15:50] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/bhp/cat-40-spindle interesting, by just looking at the spindles you can tell why some machines work better and last longer than others
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[16:54:47] * Loetmichel just made a notebook-psu-enclosure for extented temperature range... what a PITA to mill the upper body out of 4mm aluminium -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14595
[16:55:58] <archivist> get a bigger machine
[16:57:06] <balestrino> i dont know how to configure motion.probe-input (in simulator)
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[17:30:19] <PetefromTn> Loetmichel looks nice man...
[17:31:05] <PetefromTn> Wish my CNC had a cartridge spindle... Would be a helluva lot easier to R and R the bearings.
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[17:34:54] <jdh> wish my cnc had a bigger bed, more rigid everything, faster spindle, servos, and a cartridge spindle.
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[17:40:10] <Loetmichel> jdh: me too
[17:40:11] <Loetmichel> ;-)
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[17:40:46] <Loetmichel> PetefromTn:its for military use in the desert
[17:41:00] <Loetmichel> the notebook will be modified accordingly ;-)
[17:41:38] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/370770474504 $1,250.00 CNC 4-HEAD ROUTER
[17:41:43] <PetefromTn> Nice.... Interesting projects you seem to get to work on anyways..
[17:43:00] <PetefromTn> That is an interesting CNC router. Looks like it runs on thomspson style shafting and bearing blocks. You sure could not build one for that money.
[17:43:44] <pcw_home> 4000 lbs!
[17:43:58] <CaptHindsight> sturdy base
[17:45:52] <pcw_home> manual Z axis?
[17:45:58] <jdh> is that a vacuum table? 3 spindles?
[17:46:17] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/201010049180 $1,325.50 CNC 5 Axis Engraver Engraving Machine Router
[17:46:47] <CaptHindsight> thats pretty low priced for 5 axis
[17:47:01] <CaptHindsight> 4 spindles
[17:47:44] <CaptHindsight> and it a also says 3, looks like 3 in the pic
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[17:48:54] <jdh> I was planning on buying a 6040 base soon, but FedEx broke something I sold/shipped and I have to refund.
[17:49:22] <CaptHindsight> I asked the seller for more info but so far have been ignored
[17:51:05] <CaptHindsight> Repeat positioning accuracy 0.01mm, precision 0.02MM for the HY-3040
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[17:53:04] <CaptHindsight> transmission ratio 1:6, Work axis stepper: 200 pulses / 360 degrees, the entire 40-step driving pulse / 1MM
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[17:54:30] <CaptHindsight> so 6x the accuracy if you take out the transmission?
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[17:55:40] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
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[17:56:56] <IchGuckLive> einar_: ?
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[18:20:58] <CaptHindsight> IchGuckLive:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/261366501952 do you use similar
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[18:22:50] <IchGuckLive> yes
[18:23:03] <IchGuckLive> i use T10 on the big mashines
[18:23:14] <IchGuckLive> so i can go for accurate stepping
[18:24:06] <IchGuckLive> CaptHindsight: module always gives you PI
[18:27:03] <IchGuckLive> CaptHindsight: in your case 1.5+20=30 *Pi = 94.24777mm/U at 400Steps 0,2356 per step
[18:27:22] <IchGuckLive> or at 800 0,117
[18:27:33] <IchGuckLive> so direct drive is good for plasma
[18:28:18] <IchGuckLive> 1.5*20 ! O.O
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[18:30:14] <IchGuckLive> CaptHindsight: the metric ones gives you accurat 0.01 following numbers
[18:30:45] <CaptHindsight> I'd be using servos and 1 or 5um linear encoders
[18:30:46] <IchGuckLive> Einar__: ?
[18:31:26] <IchGuckLive> CaptHindsight: on medical mashines but not on plasma
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[18:43:28] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/121257620023 turns any wooden pallet into a cnc router
[18:43:38] <CaptHindsight> what it looks like anyway
[18:44:53] <Jymmm> That's a sotted sacraficial top =)
[18:44:58] <Jymmm> slotted*
[18:45:00] <IchGuckLive> wear things sometimes people make to get there router going
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[18:45:55] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: mine looks not as good anymore ,-)
[18:46:20] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Mine looks like termite trails
[18:46:42] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14517
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[18:47:34] <archivist> expensive scrap wood
[18:47:39] <Jymmm> http://oi51.tinypic.com/28lrg9u.jpg
[18:48:01] <CaptHindsight> http://www.surpluscenter.com/Power-Transmission/ACME-Thread-Lead-Screw-Nuts/ACME-Thread-Lead-Screws/ just FYI, for ACME screws at low prices
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[18:49:49] <IchGuckLive> Jymmm: what is the white tube on top of Z
[18:50:53] <Loetmichel> counter weight for less play in z i would guess ;-)
[18:51:51] <uw> how well do those gantry mills work at cutting metal?
[18:51:52] <Jymmm> IchGuckLive: It holds the excess spindle (router) power cord. I ran 120VAC power directly to it (the orange thing), that way, if you still want to use the router manually, you can easily pull it out without having to mess with UNrouting the wiring from the energy chain/split loom tubing.
[18:51:57] <uw> has anyone tried?
[18:52:35] <Loetmichel> uw: did you see the psu enclosure earlier?
[18:52:45] <Loetmichel> thats made on the mill in my last pic ,-)
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[18:53:01] <uw> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14517 <this one?
[18:53:13] <Loetmichel> yes
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[18:53:29] <Loetmichel> but there it is modified to "horizontal mill"
[18:53:55] <Loetmichel> thats the normal configuration:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnjHd69saXs
[18:54:04] <Loetmichel> and 4mm sheet aluminium
[18:54:07] <uw> lol i see
[18:54:15] <uw> i just realized that is horizontal
[18:54:53] <uw> i do want gantry mill some day, mostly because it can become laser cutter pretty easily
[18:55:03] <IchGuckLive> Loetmichel: Das teil ist richtig schön geworden
[18:55:46] <IchGuckLive> uw i work with stepper gantrys
[18:55:51] <Loetmichel> uw: i had to mill some key and plug hole in the side of that 1mm steel frame
[18:55:54] <IchGuckLive> plasma on top
[18:55:55] <Loetmichel> 50 times
[18:55:58] <archivist> uw just make yours very much more rigid that others do for meaty bites in metal
[18:56:36] <Loetmichel> so i went "hacking" and pulled a solution out of my a** ;-)
[18:57:37] <IchGuckLive> Loetmichel: why are there som many workstations in the shop Education use
[18:58:25] <Loetmichel> `
[18:58:32] <Loetmichel> IchGuckLive: hmm?
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[18:59:24] <Loetmichel> which pic?
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[19:01:06] <IchGuckLive> caos
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[19:01:43] <Loetmichel> hrhr
[19:01:48] <Loetmichel> we make them
[19:02:14] <Loetmichel> i.e: we buy workstations and modiufy them to be RF-silenced (no eavesdropping)
[19:02:17] <uw> archivist, someday in the future...it's a "down the line" project
[19:02:22] <uw> like many i have
[19:02:24] <Loetmichel> for military and services use
[19:02:43] <Loetmichel> we= the company i work for
[19:02:54] <IchGuckLive> ;-)
[19:03:00] <Loetmichel> there are photos with more
[19:03:20] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13483
[19:03:26] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13486
[19:03:32] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11948
[19:03:37] <Loetmichel> ... any questions?
[19:03:38] <Loetmichel> ;-)
[19:03:48] <Tom_itx> just one
[19:03:52] <Tom_itx> where's mine?
[19:05:00] <Loetmichel> tom: you dont want to pay our prices ;-)
[19:06:03] <PetefromTn> You could give us all one.....I mean ya got so many there LOL
[19:07:05] <uw> Loetmichel, everybody wants something for free LOL
[19:07:10] <IchGuckLive> Loetmichel: looks like my education rooms with 25
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[19:10:27] <Loetmichel> for example:we bought these boxes at about 450 eur each.
[19:10:43] <Loetmichel> and sold them at just shy of 2keur ;)
[19:11:42] <Loetmichel> and thats bareley worth the work and the material that we put in there
[19:12:24] <Loetmichel> our flagship system is about 16 to 18keur depending on configuration.
[19:12:46] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12010
[19:12:48] <Loetmichel> ;-)
[19:13:48] <Loetmichel> its certified shielded to Sdip27 level A ;-)
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[19:20:55] <IchGuckLive> BYE
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[19:23:26] <uw> looks nice Loetmichel
[19:24:02] <Loetmichel> PC shell is made of 3mm aluminium, all seams welded shut ;-)
[19:24:44] <uw> 3mm? is that .22LR bullet proof? :P
[19:24:58] <Loetmichel> may be
[19:25:18] <Loetmichel> but its made this way to be "eavesdropping-proof" not bulletproof ;)
[19:25:40] <Loetmichel> it just dont emits eny RF any more ;-)
[19:32:39] <paul> Stepconf bringt Fehlermeldung »/usr/bin/../linuxcnc-wizard.gif« , was soll ich tun?
[19:33:32] <uw> so many germans in here
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[19:36:07] <cpresser> uw: we are going to take over the world soon. out secret moonbase is ready :)
[19:36:36] <DaViruz> third time's the charm? ;)
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[19:37:09] <uw> cpresser, I know i saw the movie D:
[19:37:24] <cpresser> uw: documentary! :D
[19:37:28] <uw> LOL
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[19:42:08] <Loetmichel> DaViruz: exactly ;-)
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[19:47:00] <Loetmichel> DaViruz: "if at first you dont succeed, try again with greater speed!" ;-)
[19:47:35] <DaViruz> you could say blitz-speed :)
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[19:47:57] <uw> Tiger II doesnt need porsche suspension :D
[19:48:13] <uw> make ballbearings deep underground
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[20:35:20] <MrSunshine> hmm, 0.08mm runout on the new spindle ... china <3
[20:35:20] <MrSunshine> oh well, it was cheap =)
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[20:45:14] <MarkusBec> MrSunshine: in most cases the problem is not the spindle
[20:46:14] <MarkusBec> the problem are the cheap collets
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[20:52:16] <MrSunshine> MarkusBec, gonna do more measurments of the actual bore etc tomorrow, right now ive just checked with a routerbit in a collet
[20:52:41] <MrSunshine> hopefully that is the case, rather buy a few collets (mostly using 6 and 8mm) than a whole new spindle :P
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[21:15:55] <MrSunshine> says runout tolerance of 0.015mm on the collets .. but then again, its china and its ebay
[21:15:59] <MrSunshine> can be 0.15mm :P
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[21:17:26] <MrSunshine> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9-kFItRN3E hehe it sounds a bit unhappy ... quite high volume so turn it down a bit :P
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[21:20:56] <jmasseo> .08mm seems like a lot
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[21:23:31] <Loetmichel> MrSunshine: that chirp sounds are "wobble" somewhre in the spindle or its mount
[21:23:47] <Loetmichel> have you checked for loose bearings?
[21:23:59] <MrSunshine> well gonna check it more before i decide to regrind it anyhow =) like MarkusBec said .. to check the runout of the bore
[21:24:24] <Loetmichel> i.e can you move the collet sideways while the axes are locked?
[21:24:38] <MrSunshine> ehm ? the collet ?
[21:24:41] <MrSunshine> the spindle ?
[21:24:55] <Loetmichel> the tip of the spindle
[21:25:03] <Loetmichel> try do move it around
[21:25:08] <MrSunshine> Loetmichel, first, what bearings are you talking about
[21:25:12] <MrSunshine> in the spindle or in my machine ?
[21:25:13] <Loetmichel> so to see if you have play somwhre in there
[21:25:23] <jmasseo> how do you select which chinese spindle to buy?
[21:25:24] <Loetmichel> all of them
[21:25:28] <jmasseo> i assume there are lots of different ones
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[21:25:45] <MrSunshine> Loetmichel, thing is that the machine is built lik a mechmate .. if i put force on any axis it WILL move some
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[21:26:25] <Loetmichel> the chirp is a sign of the mill bit rattling around in its cut
[21:26:41] <Loetmichel> so there has to be sort of "play" in your setup
[21:26:50] <Loetmichel> or some "non-rigidity"
[21:27:18] <MrSunshine> mm gonna check some, thanks for the tips .. hell ic ant even remember if i have tightened down the Z axis to the X axis :P
[21:27:18] <MrSunshine> hehe
[21:27:22] <Loetmichel> oh, you mean: build in rattle?
[21:27:46] <MrSunshine> Loetmichel, mechmate works on V groove bearings ... so if you push something it will climb the groves
[21:27:47] <jmasseo> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hot-2-2KW-Engraving-Grinding-Water-Cooled-Motor-Spindle-VFD-Inverter-Converter-/111261214455?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19e7af66f7
[21:27:47] <MrSunshine> =)
[21:27:50] <jmasseo> there is no way this is 3hp.
[21:27:59] <jmasseo> i guess water cooled though
[21:28:44] <Loetmichel> jmasseo: why not?
[21:28:52] <Loetmichel> MarkusBec has one of these.
[21:28:54] <jmasseo> kind of small isn't it?
[21:29:11] <Loetmichel> and i have a few of the 800W types
[21:29:17] <Loetmichel> they are even smaller
[21:29:18] <MrSunshine> Loetmichel, and its a quite long bit also, 5mm wide and 25mm long .. dont know if that should make a diff but at 4mm cut depth it feels like that poor thing will have to take some force :P
[21:29:35] <Loetmichel> MrSunshine: i wpuld think so
[21:29:38] <Loetmichel> would
[21:29:46] <Loetmichel> cant pit it in deeper?
[21:29:52] <Loetmichel> (into the collet)
[21:29:58] <MrSunshine> its as deep as it goes
[21:30:05] <jmasseo> would make a sweet router spindle i suppose.
[21:30:09] <MrSunshine> 8mm shank, 5mm cutter and 25mm long cutting edge
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[21:30:49] <Loetmichel> jmasseo: these chinese spindles can have pretty bad bearings and rumout, but the power is delivered
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[21:30:56] <jmasseo> right
[21:31:01] <Loetmichel> never seen one that wasnt up to the advertized power
[21:31:01] <jmasseo> well for $300 with the vfd for 3hp
[21:31:24] <jmasseo> i'd like to do a build or conversion one of these days
[21:31:38] <Loetmichel> my home macshine hs a 800W water cooled also
[21:31:49] <jmasseo> are these routers?
[21:32:03] <jdh> 65mm 800w?
[21:32:32] <Loetmichel> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9Ov69t0uwo
[21:32:45] <Loetmichel> jdh: exactly
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[21:34:00] <jdh> the yoo-cnc frame-only has a 65mm mount. I was looking for a 1.2kw spindle though. They all seem to be 80mm
[21:34:24] <MrSunshine> oh well, got some work ahead of me tomorrow to see if i can locate instabilities etc in the machine =) now some supernatural and sleep =)
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[21:37:59] <heathmanc> You around PCW?
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[22:22:30] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/360639633248 lower grade and cost ballscrew positioners are starting to show up on ebay
[22:23:24] <heathmanc> wish they were a little beefier
[22:23:51] <heathmanc> been looking for a decent z axis for my router
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[23:42:47] <JT-Shop> a John Deere 350B followed me home after work
[23:42:50] <JT-Shop> http://imagebin.org/288217
[23:44:08] <Tom_itx> for scraping the snow off the walk?
[23:46:55] <JT-Shop> walk... we don't have any sidewalks out here
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[23:47:35] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: does it work?
[23:47:57] <JT-Shop> yea, can't you see all the track marks?
[23:48:29] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Sure, but you could hve pushed it there with the other tractor as you were unloading it from the transport
[23:49:28] <JT-Shop> you don't push a dozer Jymmm unless you have a bigger doZer
[23:49:29] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: very cool, how much?
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[23:49:41] <JT-Shop> NTKB
[23:50:03] <Jymmm> BNTK you mean?
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[23:50:19] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: I have no cle what used dozers go for
[23:50:23] <Jymmm> clue*
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[23:50:41] <Jymmm> I'd guess under $5000
[23:50:41] <Tom_itx> are you shopping for one?
[23:51:00] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Wishful thinking
[23:51:11] <JT-Shop> dozers are more expensive than backhoes
[23:51:28] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: but cheaper than wives =)
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[23:52:26] <JT-Shop> depends on your wife
[23:52:50] <JT-Shop> mine brings home the bacon and other groceries
[23:53:16] <Jymmm> Ok, cheaper than an EX wife, how's that?
[23:53:41] <uw> true^
[23:53:52] <JT-Shop> yep, that be true
[23:54:00] <CaptHindsight> http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=E350M1 <7K nS with factory BIOS and old 10.04 install + upgrade to emc 2.5
[23:54:03] <Jymmm> uwe_: <--- poor bastard (srry to hear that)
[23:54:53] <Tom_itx> it costs more after they leave?
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[23:55:33] <CaptHindsight> mine still owes me money!
[23:55:42] <uw> no i'm not victim but i've heard stories
[23:56:02] <Jymmm> uwe_: You think so huh?
[23:56:03] <CaptHindsight> uw = uwe?
[23:58:09] <uw> i think so
[23:58:40] <uw> my good friend got rocked by some crazy "c" who took tons of his money and left for some other guy who had more money
[23:58:42] <Jymmm> uw: Did you hear of the one that was dating the married 54yo guy, he got divorced, married the mistress, didn't want any more kids, so the new wife decided on her own that she wasn't going to take to BC and 9months later... BAM!
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[23:59:28] <uw> wow Jymmm
