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[00:00:19] <owhite> so I thought "setp hm2_5i20.0.pwmgen.00.enable TRUE" would handle that.
[00:00:32] <owhite> skunkworks did I miss something?
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[00:23:21] <rabbitron> Hi, I could use some help with cnclinux. I'm running into a problem where the gcode move returns an error "linear move on line 9 would exceed joint 1's positive limit". It seems linuxcnc thinks the table dimension limits for my cnc is smaller than they really are
[00:27:59] <owhite> yeah that's pretty common. You could have an error in your g-code, and/or you can adjust the limits in your .ini file.
[00:28:20] <PetefromTn> Sorry guys went out in the shop and was mesmerized by my CNC LOL.. I will look into some of those cat 40 holders...
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[00:31:26] <PetefromTn> I was looking at the shars toolholders on Ebay they are a good deal and I know a couple guys who use them on thier VMC's...
[00:31:43] <skunkworks> owhite: are you making a custom hal file?
[00:32:42] <owhite> skunkworks I started with the .hal file from the native config file for hm2_stepper, and added in some lines shown in the pastebin.
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[00:35:42] <rabbitron_> my cnc computer crashed out. However! I found the settings in the .ini file, thanks!
[00:36:09] <owhite> rabbitron_ great :-)
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[00:38:44] <skunkworks> owhite: take a look at one of the servo configs.. You may have to set the gpio pin as a output... I don't remember
[00:39:06] <owhite> thanks - I'll look around.
[00:39:19] <owhite> nothing is working so far! :-)
[00:41:39] <pcw_home> for PWM to work you need:
[00:41:40] <pcw_home> 1. The PWM channel to be enabled in the config line
[00:41:42] <pcw_home> 2. the PWM enable set true
[00:41:43] <pcw_home> 3. A PWM value thats significant relative to the PWM scale
[00:41:45] <pcw_home> 4. Watchdog working
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[00:42:32] <owhite> pcw_home could you explain item 3?
[00:42:42] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn: Shars is local for me, I use lots of their holders cat40, btxx, r8
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[00:43:12] <PetefromTn> how do you find them?
[00:43:53] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn: they are fine, once in a great while I'll get a defective one that "slipped" through QC and return it
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[00:45:09] <CaptHindsight> the bt30 and bt40's all have worked fine up to 10k rpm
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[00:46:14] <CaptHindsight> their catalog has some precision balanced versions to 20 or 25K but they have long lead times, otherwise they are always in stock
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[00:48:27] <owhite> does anyone know if the HM2-servo configuration created by the linuxcnc startup screen would only put out pwm signals when the program is running or something?
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[00:51:59] <pcw_home> The sample servo configuration probably has motion.machine-on wired to the PWM enables
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[00:52:10] <PetefromTn> I don't need anything super fast my machine only has a 6k spindle unfortunately..
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[00:54:28] <PetefromTn> I really need to order one of their five piece cat40 ER32 holder sets they sell..
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[00:59:02] <CaptHindsight> I have them but be sure you order the correct wrench
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[01:04:34] <PetefromTn> Yeah I don't have a wrench for them. I only have an assortment of setscrew holders and drill chucks. I have ONE ER20 holder and only a couple collets for it. Sucks to be tool poor LOL. Story of my life with tools never have what I actually need.
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[01:07:00] <CaptHindsight> i think they still them with either hex nuts or the low profile with slots
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[01:14:32] <s1dev> how do I make tool stickout repeatable when using R8 collets?
[01:15:01] <Tom_itx> put a stub inside the collet?
[01:15:28] <s1dev> where would it fix to?
[01:15:38] <Tom_itx> would it need to?
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[01:15:44] <Tom_itx> if it were semi snug
[01:15:56] <Tom_itx> even hardwood would work possibly
[01:16:08] <s1dev> also wouldn't the collet grip that instead of the endmill shank potentially?
[01:16:20] <Tom_itx> not if it was slightly smaller
[01:16:28] <Tom_itx> and up beyond the collet fingers
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[01:18:29] <Tom_itx> worth a try anyway
[01:18:55] <s1dev> but there's no established way of doing it with R8?
[01:19:25] <Tom_itx> i don't remember how the topside of the R8 hooks onto the pull
[01:19:39] <Tom_itx> not that i know of
[01:20:58] <jdh> r8 isn't that repeatable by itself, much less putting a tool in an r8 holder
[01:21:04] <Tom_itx> it would be the only way i can think of to get it close
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[01:21:56] <s1dev> what's normally used with CNC then?
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[01:22:16] <Tom_itx> collets with retention knobs
[01:22:55] <s1dev> what about endmill holders?
[01:22:55] <jdh> tormach is pretty repeatable since their toolholders index off the spindle face (with a modified r8 collet)
[01:23:33] <Tom_itx> s1dev, you put collets inside the tool holders
[01:23:59] <Tom_itx> and the tool holders are held in the spindle with a retention knob
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[01:30:28] <PetefromTn> You either need to get a set of solid endmill holders in R8 or purchase some of the Tormach Toolholders. I had a bunch of them with my Rf45 CNC mill I built and they were quite nice actually if you know how to use them properly.
[01:31:01] <CaptHindsight> or buy a mill with repeatable toolholders
[01:31:36] <PetefromTn> CaptHindsight: Did not know that I think the low profile would be best for me for most flexibility. I like the ER32 with the short projection for what I do and maybe get some ER16s with longer shanks for tight quarter stuff in deeper pockets.
[01:31:37] <s1dev> thanks taking a look at the tormach stuff
[01:32:00] <PetefromTn> CaptHindsight: Yes exactly. R8 is not the best for much of anything unfortunately..
[01:32:21] <jdh> it is good for lots of cheap ok-but-not-great stuff
[01:32:26] <CaptHindsight> PetefromTn: their selection changes from time to time
[01:33:11] <CaptHindsight> I have a keyless chuck to R8, that works well for drilling
[01:34:31] <PetefromTn> LOL yeah the drill chucks are okay I guess. Like I said either solid endmill holders or Tormach for the r8 is about as good as you are gonna be able to get for repeatability.
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[01:59:49] <owhite> hey people could anyone explain to me what hm2_5i20.0.pwmgen.00.value is about?
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[02:00:08] <owhite> It's an input but the documents are very useful for explaining what it should be receiving.
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[02:01:32] <Tom_itx> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/drivers/hostmot2.html#_pwmgen
[02:01:34] <Tom_itx> float in
[02:03:12] <owhite> yeah I read that. but honestly it doesnt say what it _is_.
[02:03:35] <owhite> what's a 'command value'?
[02:03:38] <Tom_itx> i haven't used pwm yet
[02:04:38] <pcw_home> its the output setting (scaled in value/scale)
[02:04:55] <pcw_home> man hostmot2
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[02:05:44] <Tom_itx> http://gnipsel.com/files/chnc/configuration/hardinge%20hal.txt
[02:05:46] <Tom_itx> example
[02:07:12] <pcw_home> if its used for something like a spindle it makes sense to set the scale to VFD RPM at 10V
[02:07:39] <pcw_home> so a PWM value of say 6000 = 6000 RPM
[02:08:05] <owhite> for the purpose of just fishing out a signal on my 5i20 board could I just set it to a float like .5?
[02:08:28] <pcw_home> sure as long as scale is 1
[02:08:36] <owhite> it looks like other people use it to tie it to pid.
[02:09:07] <pcw_home> Sure, its commonly used to control servos
[02:09:38] <owhite> yeah in my case it's input to a laser and the duty cycle will set the power of the laser.
[02:10:14] <pcw_home> if you are starting from scratch, you also need to set the PWM frequency
[02:10:44] <pcw_home> (not sure theres any default)
[02:10:45] <owhite> yeah I've set that as well.
[02:13:17] <owhite> and there it is. Man sometimes it's the simple pleasures.
[02:14:57] <pcw_home> so if you set scale for 100, you can set duty cycle in %
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[02:15:47] <owhite> pcw_home - oh really? cool let me try that.
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[02:16:20] <pcw_home> also for your purposes (if you make your own bit file) you might as well delete the DIR pin
[02:17:21] <owhite> yeah I made my own and tom_itx compiled it. I dont want to bother him again - I think I got the right set up for the pcb I made, so should be alright.
[02:17:43] <owhite> ....we will know in a second. :-)
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[02:23:52] <CaptHindsight> http://www.microcenter.com/product/424730/Galileo_Development_Board?gclid=CNjcyIvZi7wCFY1FMgodAn8AWQ#
[02:24:18] <CaptHindsight> anyone try running linuxcnc yet on a Galileo board? x86 arduino?
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[02:25:38] <CaptHindsight> only 256 MByte DRAM onboard with no expansion (easily possible)
[02:27:04] <Tom_itx> did andy get his kernel compiled?
[02:27:57] <CaptHindsight> he did for the Udoo (imx6 + avr)
[02:28:55] <Tom_itx> will that be board enough to run a mill?
[02:29:14] <Tom_itx> looks like it could be
[02:29:17] <CaptHindsight> the avr's run a 3-axis glue gun
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[02:29:39] <CaptHindsight> and this is a 400mhz x86 pentium class
[02:29:55] <CaptHindsight> so about a 8mhz avr :)
[02:30:49] <CaptHindsight> no GPU but is has PCIe
[02:31:55] <CaptHindsight> http://www.86duino.com/?page_id=11 also Vortex86 arduino boards
[02:32:24] <CaptHindsight> 300MHz 32-bit x86 128MB DDR3
[02:32:39] <CaptHindsight> but only $39
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[02:34:21] <CaptHindsight> http://www.86duino.com/index.php?p=68 this version has Digital I/O Pins, 14 (of which 7 provide 32bit PWM output)
[02:34:33] <CaptHindsight> Analog Input Pins 6 (11bit)
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[02:37:44] <CaptHindsight> memleask has preempt-RT on the cubieboard but is rebuilding a distro to properly run Linuxcnc
[02:37:51] <CaptHindsight> memleak even
[02:38:04] <Tom_itx> i noticed he was working on something
[02:38:40] <CaptHindsight> SATA is also working
[02:40:45] <CaptHindsight> have to get SPI talking to hostmot
[02:41:56] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/SBC/PDF/PCM-9372%20Datasheet%20Ed1.pdf
[02:42:03] <Tom_itx> i wonder if these would be any good for it
[02:42:10] <Tom_itx> i've got 5 or 6 of em
[02:42:22] <Tom_itx> pretty old
[02:42:30] <CaptHindsight> VIA Eden's
[02:43:05] <CaptHindsight> we used VIA mini-itx boards with Linuxcnc maybe 6 years ago
[02:43:21] <CaptHindsight> were ok with servos
[02:43:30] <CaptHindsight> never used them with steppers
[02:43:37] <Tom_itx> they were free
[02:43:58] <CaptHindsight> we would have the occasional latency spike to 200K every hour or two
[02:44:06] <Tom_itx> didn't run windows that well but i did have a debian server on one for a bit
[02:44:11] <CaptHindsight> otherwise they were <10uS
[02:45:16] <CaptHindsight> I still have a few forgotten ones around here. The main problem is getting them to play flash
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[02:51:09] <CaptHindsight> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157228 $70 and is supported by coreboot and has PCIe x4
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[03:18:52] <PetefromTn> Whats a quick image hosting site again?
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[03:20:31] <Tom_itx> imagebin
[03:20:42] <PetefromTn> Thanks..
[03:22:16] <PetefromTn> My wife took a picture of my Cincinatti Arrow today while I was setting it up to run something. I thought it looked cool...
[03:22:22] <PetefromTn> http://imagebin.org/287613
[03:23:48] <CaptHindsight> vmc pron
[03:24:18] <PetefromTn> Yuppers... I really like this little mill. Need to get some more damn tooling.
[03:24:48] <PetefromTn> My coolant got a little shitty after it sitting for so long.
[03:25:18] <PetefromTn> I use that Trim Sol E206 and I don't have a tramp oil skimmer on it so there was a bunch of brown crud floating on top.
[03:25:19] <zeeshan|2> here is some vector porn for you guys
[03:25:20] <zeeshan|2> http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/turbozee84/prettyvectors_zpsac8f1e4d.png
[03:25:20] <zeeshan|2> ;p
[03:25:51] <PetefromTn> I used some paper towels layed on top of the surface to soak up the gunk and it is much better now. Also refreshed the coolant too.
[03:26:25] <PetefromTn> What the hell is that exactly?
[03:26:53] <zeeshan|2> how two cylinders in a heat exchanger effect the flow
[03:27:42] <PetefromTn> Interesting....Solidworks?
[03:27:47] <zeeshan|2> no
[03:27:49] <zeeshan|2> ansys
[03:27:57] <PetefromTn> huh.
[03:27:57] <zeeshan|2> solidworks cfd is a joke =/
[03:28:08] <PetefromTn> How much is ansys...
[03:28:20] <zeeshan|2> i dont know!
[03:28:52] <PetefromTn> never heard of it until now. Is this the flavor of the month or has it been around awhile?
[03:28:57] <zeeshan|2> what!
[03:29:06] <zeeshan|2> it's what started numerical simulations
[03:29:17] <zeeshan|2> 1970
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[03:29:49] <PetefromTn> shows ya what I know about it ;0
[03:30:10] <PetefromTn> I'm still trying to learn 3d modeling.
[03:32:25] <PetefromTn> You can see my wannabe pendant in the picture. I need to whip out some more buttons and gizmos but I have a sweet touchpad USB keyboard that is waterproof and industrial that works great so I just use it LOL
[03:34:50] <PetefromTn> Just saw this on facebook. Jeez that is fast!! LOL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sOuyP9yyGk
[03:39:37] <PetefromTn> I was wondering how some of you guys approach your tool setup on milling machines with linuxCNC?
[03:40:22] <PetefromTn> I have been reading about it on the wiki and the forum and I see there are multiple ways to do it.
[03:41:02] <PetefromTn> Do you guys mostly touch off on tooling blocks or gauges and then input manually or what?
[03:46:16] <Valen> my dad does it by driving down till the part touches some known part of the job as a rule
[03:46:38] <Valen> he uses a piece of that silicone paper they put behind stickers and waves that around
[03:46:47] <Valen> when the paper stops moving he says it touching
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[03:48:17] <skunkworks> 1/2 lineup pin... (or a nice ground cylinder of some sort) get close - roll the pin under the cutter. Repeat until it doesn't roll under. Touchoff and set the z offset
[03:48:37] <skunkworks> jog wheel works really nice for that...
[03:50:04] <Valen> we just set the jog speed to stuff all when its within half a mm or so then just pg-down ;->
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[03:50:22] <Valen> I keep meaning to get the xbox controller running with it
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[04:00:40] <PetefromTn> Interesting. I have done the ground pin setup before it works well.
[04:01:28] <PetefromTn> I am just now trying to get my tool table setup in LinuxCNC. Previously I just loaded individual tools for a job part and then run it. Need to get more organized..
[04:02:30] <PetefromTn> skunkworks: yeah I have the original jog wheel setup that came with the Cincinatti wired up into the mesa cards now.
[04:03:25] <PetefromTn> This project uses five tools and I don't really have the holders I need so I am gonna be doing the usual but I want to start getting things moving in more of a permanent setup.
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[11:34:49] <tom_R2E3> Hi
[11:36:11] <tom_R2E3> i'm using the analogue 5 output of mesa 7i77 to signal velocity to a siemens VFD
[11:37:01] <tom_R2E3> in CW motion this works fine. If I watch the pin in HAL config it counts positive and the voltage increases (between 0-10v)
[11:37:32] <tom_R2E3> when CCW (M4) the pin counts negative and outputs no voltage
[11:38:03] <tom_R2E3> is there anyway to set this so that it's always an absolute value?
[11:39:25] <archivist> you can use the abs comp
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[12:02:13] <tom_R2E3> OK, i'll have a look at that, thank you
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[13:05:32] <R2E4> archivist: Is there a way for a classicladder to represent an input into mux4?
[13:06:27] <archivist> dunno , not used classicladder myself
[13:06:37] <Tom_itx> then there's lut5
[13:09:38] <R2E4> I am using mux4, lut5 is the same logic basically as mux4 I think. I need an two outputs in classicladder to feed the two inputs of mux4 (sel0, sel1).
[13:09:46] <jthornton> did you mean to ask can you connect a classicladder output to a mux4 input in hal?
[13:10:06] <R2E4> yes.
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[13:10:20] <jthornton> net signal-name pin pin
[13:10:29] <Tom_itx> jthornton, can i link a jpg to a html?
[13:10:43] <jthornton> in asciidoc?
[13:10:44] <R2E4> I tried that.....
[13:10:46] <Tom_itx> yes
[13:10:54] <R2E4> I'll checkk again.
[13:10:54] <jthornton> I don't see why not
[13:11:10] <jthornton> R2E4, did you use a classicladder output?
[13:11:32] <R2E4> yes, classicladder.0.out-04
[13:12:18] <jthornton> should work then
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[13:13:13] <R2E4> I got it working with inputs from the 7177, but because the docs show the mpg example with mux4 using maintained switches, and that is ok except my mpg has n/o buttons for each axis and scale.
[13:13:36] <Tom_itx> jthornton, i just want a smaller image to link to the full size one
[13:13:44] <jthornton> so your making a latching circuit in classicladder?
[13:14:01] <R2E4> I did the logic in classicladder and it works, just have to figure out how to get classicladder out into sel0 and sel1. Thanks jt, I'll try that again.
[13:14:25] <jthornton> Tom_itx, I do that on my machinery photo pages
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[13:14:39] <Tom_itx> ok, i'll look later today
[13:15:03] <jthornton> http://gnipsel.com/shop/gantry/gantry.xhtml
[13:15:54] <Tom_itx> was that done with asciidoc though?
[13:16:30] <jthornton> no, but I think it is similar to make an image link in asciidoc
[13:17:16] <jthornton> http://www.methods.co.nz/asciidoc/userguide.html
[13:19:32] <skunkworks> http://www.yaskawa.com/site/dmservo.nsf/link2/TKUR-5EJQ5Z/$file/TSE-C717-13E.pdf
[13:19:41] <skunkworks> those look simple enough...
[13:19:58] <jthornton> http://powerman.name/doc/asciidoc
[13:20:27] <jthornton> Tom_itx, image:/images/font/640-screen2.gif[
[13:20:27] <jthornton> "My screenshot",width=128,
[13:20:27] <jthornton> link="/images/font/640-screen2.gif"]
[13:20:46] <Tom_itx> thanks
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[13:23:23] <skunkworks> http://imagebin.org/287781
[13:24:26] <jthornton> that yours?
[13:24:39] <skunkworks> dad just picjed it up
[13:24:48] <skunkworks> picked
[13:25:01] <jthornton> nice
[13:26:52] <archivist> eta for linuxcnc on it?
[13:27:12] <skunkworks> depends on if it powers up...
[13:28:20] * skunkworks hopes it doesn't ;)
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[13:42:57] <alex_joni> skunkworks: carefull, your dad reads the archive ;)
[13:43:01] <alex_joni> hi sam's dad
[13:43:43] <R2E4> http://irmtl.com/LinuxCNC/ladder12.pdf
[13:44:50] <R2E4> inputs are momentary select buttons
[13:48:03] <R2E4> the second rung does nothing. I can remove it.
[13:54:08] <skunkworks> heh
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[14:37:39] <CaptHindsight> http://www.3ders.org/articles/20140120-personalized-popsicles-with-the-icepop-generator.html
[14:39:50] <archivist> but...but...its milling
[14:40:31] <CaptHindsight> it's amazing how they can write an entire article without mentioning that
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[14:41:05] <CaptHindsight> they got as close as "CNC machine"
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[14:47:21] <CaptHindsight> another group planning to mix fibers with a binder/glue and spray it on a mannequin mold
http://3dprintingindustry.com/2014/01/20/electroloom-promises-3d-printed-clothing-years-end/
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[15:07:53] <skunkworks_> cradek, what was your spindle drive? Do you remember? And what was wrong with it?
[15:08:11] <skunkworks_> this is a YASKAWA 626MT II
[15:08:34] <Jymmm> skunkworks_: Is that a 2 or 4 stroke engine?
[15:08:58] <skunkworks_> Jymmm, yes
[15:09:05] <skunkworks_> I mean - no
[15:09:07] <Jymmm> =)
[15:10:22] <skunkworks_> looks like it does the spindle orient.
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[15:14:40] <CaptHindsight> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KEkSfgHJNk Polar Vortex Behind U.S. Big Chill Explained - JPL
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[15:20:10] <Jymmm> interesting
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[15:33:10] <cradek> skunkworks_: that number sounds familiar
[15:35:16] <skunkworks_> cradek, yours is a bit newer though - wasn't it? Like brushless servos?
[15:35:29] <skunkworks_> does it have resolvers?
[15:35:48] <skunkworks_> this is late 80's brushed servos.
[15:35:55] <cradek> no they're dc brush servos
[15:35:59] <skunkworks_> oh
[15:36:04] <skunkworks_> resolvers?
[15:36:20] <cradek> encoders on the servos, a huge resolver on the spindle
[15:36:27] <skunkworks_> ah - cool
[15:36:38] <skunkworks_> the resolver you could not get to work - correct?
[15:36:58] <skunkworks_> with jonE's converter
[15:37:02] <cradek> right, I replaced it with an encoder
[15:37:32] <skunkworks_> do you remember what the drives where?
[15:38:15] <cradek> I gave the resolver to Jon E because he was interested in making it work, but I don't know if he succeeded
[15:38:53] <cradek> no, but I'd recognize then in a police line-up
[15:39:22] <skunkworks_> http://imagebin.org/287800
[15:39:51] <skunkworks_> they may be a gen older..
[15:40:10] <cradek> that's them
[15:40:15] <skunkworks_> oh - cool
[15:40:56] <cradek> seems like it's the same machine
[15:41:23] <cradek> except you have an umbrella
[15:41:25] <skunkworks_> heh - you had a mechanical spindle orient though - right? This I think has a prox sensor of some kind
[15:41:36] <skunkworks_> I think
[15:41:38] <cradek> yes it has a plunger
[15:41:56] <skunkworks_> I think the drive does the orient
[15:42:40] <skunkworks_> neat - so if need be - the conversion probably will be pretty strait forward..
[15:43:23] <cradek> yeah. an umbrella used to be hard, but not so much now with remap.
[15:44:00] <skunkworks_> I don't know if the spindle has to move - or if the emprella does - it has a huge cylinder at the middle of the umprella...
[15:44:12] <cradek> ah
[15:44:21] <skunkworks_> wow - how many ways can I spell umbrella
[15:44:33] <cradek> bumpeller
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[15:47:51] <skunkworks_> cradek,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjufknDZioU
[15:48:30] <skunkworks_> the very end - looks like the chain goes up and down. (looks very similar - notice the large air cylinder in the center top of the umbrella
[15:50:13] <skunkworks_> (I think he forgot to turn the air on ;) )
[15:50:28] <CaptHindsight> skunkworks_: does it use pneumatics vs hydraulics?
[15:50:37] <skunkworks_> pneumatics
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[15:51:12] <CaptHindsight> the 710 is hydraulic
[15:51:18] <skunkworks_> really - neat
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[15:51:42] <skunkworks_> (the K&T is all hydraulic
[15:51:59] <CaptHindsight> yeah, I didn't know that they even used pneumatics for Matsuura's
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[15:52:56] <skunkworks_> you can hear the air in the video
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[15:53:07] <CaptHindsight> how did the conversion go for that other old cnc? forget the name off hand, from the 70's, local purchase
[15:53:16] <CaptHindsight> skunkworks_: ^^
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[15:53:50] <skunkworks_> it is still sitting... (that one is going to require more work.. that will prbably be after the matsurra..
[15:54:08] <CaptHindsight> whats that brand again?
[15:54:12] <skunkworks_> acroloc
[15:54:28] <CaptHindsight> yeah
[15:54:54] <skunkworks_> cradek, so - you could adjust the servo amps tach input to use +/-10 volts from mesa?
[15:55:23] <skunkworks_> CaptHindsight, that one has even less standard tooling than the bt35 :)
[15:55:25] <cradek> skunkworks_: that toolchange looks very easy...
[15:55:32] <skunkworks_> cradek, yes
[15:55:54] <cradek> yes I did on one. I may have replaced parts though.
[15:55:59] <CaptHindsight> can its spindle be changed to support cat30? without real major work?
[15:56:07] <skunkworks_> no clue..
[15:56:32] <skunkworks_> it looks like ebay has a lot of bt35 tooling
[15:56:48] <skunkworks_> the acroloc has what looks like hockey puck tooling
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[16:01:14] <CaptHindsight> yeah, I had no problem finding bt35 or bt40 new and used for low prices
[16:01:47] <CaptHindsight> Shars carries about everything BTxx
[16:02:50] <CaptHindsight> just be sure to check the angle on the pull studs
[16:03:07] <skunkworks_> right - we can make pull studs also
[16:03:09] <CaptHindsight> every catalog had different info the 710v
[16:03:44] <skunkworks_> the specs on the pull stud shape is in the manual
[16:03:50] <cradek> I bought all new pullstuds from maritool
[16:05:20] <skunkworks_> I have options!
[16:06:37] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/251424801936 this will probably end up ~$10K by the end, oh well
[16:06:58] <skunkworks_> did you look at the unworkind haas last week?
[16:07:21] <CaptHindsight> never made it, too busy
[16:07:40] <skunkworks_> that was in kenosha too wasn;t it?
[16:07:40] <CaptHindsight> plus the price is climbing now
[16:07:48] <CaptHindsight> yeah, not far
[16:08:27] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/1997-cincinnati-arrow-500-cnc-vmc-a2100-touch-screen-/221356720299?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3389e380ab
[16:08:39] <CaptHindsight> isn't this what pete from tenn has?
[16:09:05] <skunkworks_> close.. I don't remember exactly
[16:09:32] <skunkworks_> he replaced everthing on his.. (servo, drives and vfd..)
[16:12:15] <CaptHindsight> I need a machine with >24" X travel and I'd like a >10K rpm spindle
[16:13:59] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/321166655199 but it's up in Canada
[16:15:56] <jdh> going up there sucks, they are all too nice and friendly
[16:16:08] <jdh> well, except for quebec.
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[16:27:16] <CaptHindsight> spindle speed is 8K rpm max on the Tree 840
[16:27:58] <CaptHindsight> but it needs a new one anyway, I wonder what else might be adapted without too much work?
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[16:28:35] <CaptHindsight> heave to check with spindle's-r-us
[16:30:45] <archivist> there is another supplier...meckityerself
[16:31:39] <CaptHindsight> sounds middle eastern :)
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[16:33:49] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/TREE-VMC-1000-CNC-VERTICAL-MILL-SPINDLE-R233CND5P1-24-INCH-CAT-40-BT40-CT40-/161154897931
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[16:36:15] <archivist> "just stripped" does that translate as was scrap so we over charge for the parts
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[16:43:28] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/HSD-ES915-3-8KW-5-hp-24000rpm-220-380v-ISO30-ATC-CNC-Spindle-PACKAGE-/121254664239?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c3b57582f
[16:47:43] <CaptHindsight> archivist:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Big-Kaiser-high-spindle-speed-increaser-20-000rpm-gtg6-cnc-mill-milling-/171198373886?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27dc37dffe
[16:49:09] <CaptHindsight> via planetary gears or?
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[16:52:17] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/221347788937 ASYNCHRONOUS SERVO 18HP 9k rpm
[16:54:46] <archivist> probably planetary gears
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[17:13:34] <Loetmichel> re @ home
[17:15:13] <jdh> whuttup homie
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[17:32:48] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
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[17:41:54] <IchGuckLive> jdh: germans are now at home !
[17:42:00] <CaptHindsight> IchGuckLive:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KEkSfgHJNk heading your way?
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[17:43:03] <Loetmichel> CaptHindsight: not this week
[17:43:07] <Loetmichel> maybe next ;-)
[17:43:54] <IchGuckLive> i think at our hight here we het some this night
[17:44:54] <IchGuckLive> jesu in spain is at head now he mailed me
[17:45:10] <CaptHindsight> 0c now back down to -20c again tonight
[17:45:13] <IchGuckLive> and einar is deep frozen in the north
[17:47:30] <CaptHindsight> what's everyone using for Mesa PCIe if you don't have room for perpendicular cards?
[17:48:09] <IchGuckLive> someone shoudt have pointet the valen gay this morning to our wiki about xboy controller to get his information
[17:48:41] <IchGuckLive> CaptHindsight: 5i20
[17:49:07] <IchGuckLive> CaptHindsight: why not 5i25 7i7x for best performance
[17:50:00] <CaptHindsight> trying to use my extra 7i47's
[17:51:07] <CaptHindsight> pcw_home: do you have 90 deg PCIe adapter hiding somewhere on the site?
[17:51:54] <pcw_home> No but they a a fairly common thing
[17:52:14] <CaptHindsight> just checking before I call in an order
[17:52:37] <pcw_home> a customer wanst us to make a minpcie-->cabled pcie adapter so wee will have one shortly
[17:52:42] <IchGuckLive> CaptHindsight: delok riser 90deg 15USD
[17:53:16] <IchGuckLive> 89105
[17:55:23] <CaptHindsight> http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/71UrzTmz1lL._SL1500_.jpg I'd prefer to locate the FPGA card over the MB vs to the side
[17:57:17] <IchGuckLive> there you go with the delock 89105
[17:58:35] <CaptHindsight> that will put it off to the side
[17:59:07] <IchGuckLive> then you need a pcie expand cable
[17:59:52] <CaptHindsight> http://www.delock.com/produkte/F_374_Riser-Karten_89186/merkmale.html
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[18:01:29] <IchGuckLive> CaptHindsight: X16 or
[18:01:35] <IchGuckLive> hi PetefromTn
[18:01:56] <PetefromTn>
[18:02:03] <CaptHindsight> 6i68 is only 1x
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[18:02:07] <IchGuckLive> CaptHindsight: 41342 is the higher one
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[18:02:49] <PetefromTn> Hey ich..
[18:03:50] <Deejay> hi Pete from Tennessee
[18:04:39] <PetefromTn> Deejay: Hey man nice to meet ya!
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[18:05:14] <Deejay> :-)
[18:06:10] <CaptHindsight> pcw_home: is the a PCIe to 50 pin anything IO for the 7i47's?
[18:06:11] <PetefromTn> Anyone making anything coooool with LinuxCNC today??!!
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[18:06:34] <CaptHindsight> pcw_home: besides the 6i68?
[18:06:51] <IchGuckLive> CaptHindsight: what ity is the board you posted
[18:07:00] <pcw_home> not ATM but soon the 6I24
[18:07:39] <CaptHindsight> pcw_home: how about by this Wednesday?
[18:07:56] <PetefromTn> How do you get to the log for todays IRC chats?
[18:08:12] <IchGuckLive> http://psha.org.ru/irc/
[18:08:41] * Deejay feels being watched
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[18:08:58] <CaptHindsight> IchGuckLive: ASRock E350M1
http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=E350M1
[18:09:58] <IchGuckLive> what latency you got or only fpga
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[18:12:18] <CaptHindsight> IchGuckLive: it has coreboot support, so power on to login <2 seconds, latency <10uS
[18:12:55] <CaptHindsight> for get how low, maybe ~4-5uS
[18:12:55] <IchGuckLive> thanks
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[18:14:14] <CaptHindsight> IchGuckLive: with coreboot you tweak the chipset registers at compile time, it replaces the BIOS
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[18:14:54] <IchGuckLive> you are booting on SSD
[18:15:55] <CaptHindsight> IchGuckLive: yes or with kernel in the flash where BIOS is typically stored
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[18:17:54] <CaptHindsight> so you config a custom kernel that fits into the SPI flash, if you want you can kexec (jump) to another later
[18:19:54] <CaptHindsight> linux on the cubieboard is a mess, we'll fix it all but it's going to be several days
[18:20:49] <CaptHindsight> RT kernel isn't so bad but the toolchains and distro images are a mess
[18:22:04] <pcw_home> not terribly surprising
[18:22:22] <CaptHindsight> we had to find out
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[18:23:18] <CaptHindsight> but the board runs so well it's definitely worth supporting
[18:25:02] <pcw_home> I wonder is the SPI interface is standard ARM inc IP (many seem the same or very similar)
[18:26:10] <CaptHindsight> no! heh
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[18:26:28] <CaptHindsight> that is the problem with ARM
[18:26:58] <CaptHindsight> the location as well as the SPI controller will be different
[18:27:36] <CaptHindsight> as bad as x86 is they at least standardized the locations for ports
[18:28:31] <CaptHindsight> but the same silicon vendor will often reuse the peripheral ip on SOC's
[18:28:57] <pcw_home> location /clock tree sure but the register hardware seems to be similar an a couple Ive looked at
[18:29:04] <CaptHindsight> so the driver for the SPI on the A20 will not be that different from the A80
[18:30:11] <pcw_home> but it might be ARM supplied IP so may be widespread
[18:32:20] <CaptHindsight> if forget with allwinner, their multimedia IP is their own tied to Mail and now PowerVR for the A20
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[18:33:48] <pcw_home> I thought the A20 was MALI as well (but A31 was PowerVR)
[18:34:16] <CaptHindsight> sorry meant A80 for powervr
[18:34:29] <pcw_home> Yeah (and yuck)
[18:34:58] <skunkworks_> cradek, are the 4 semiconductors on the left of the board - the power stage?
[18:34:59] <skunkworks_> http://imagebin.org/287800
[18:37:06] <CaptHindsight> pcw_home: whats the height of the 6i25 mounted in a MB?
[18:38:52] <skunkworks_> there must be something bigger under the boards....
[18:39:36] <CaptHindsight> maybe I'll just use that and 7i76
[18:40:03] <pcw_home> I would expect the 4 transistor to be pre-drivers
[18:40:15] <skunkworks_> pcw_home, they seem small :)
[18:40:20] <pcw_home> 6I25 is a lop profile card
[18:40:29] <pcw_home> low
[18:40:57] <CaptHindsight> pcw_home: recall the approx dimension? ~2"
[18:41:26] <pcw_home> Not sure what the standard is maybe 2.5"
[18:41:59] <CaptHindsight> that'll work, I'd have to modify the heatsinks anyway
[18:42:23] <CaptHindsight> skunkworks_: what year is that design from? approx
[18:42:57] <skunkworks_> I don't know exactly - I think late 80's
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[18:43:52] <pcw_home> maybe all bipolar transistors so hefty base drivers are needed
[18:44:33] <pcw_home> (fanuc stuff of that era is like that, giant bipolar transistor modules 16 usec dead times)
[18:45:02] <skunkworks_> there is a board under it.. Just didn;t look at it that close
[18:45:02] <CaptHindsight> date codes look like '84 and maybe '91
[18:46:04] <CaptHindsight> pcw_home: so 6i25 + 7i76 to control a few steppers and some IO?
[18:46:46] <CaptHindsight> 6i25LP
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[18:50:44] <skunkworks_> I was a little freaked out about all the plugs going into it - but most of them go the the bottom board...
[18:51:33] <IchGuckLive> CaptHindsight: 5i25
[18:52:07] <CaptHindsight> thats PCI
[18:52:26] <pcw_home> if you dont need a lot of 12/24V I/O you probably dont need the 7I76
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[18:53:17] <CaptHindsight> what else gets you step/dir?
[18:53:23] <pcw_home> skunkworks: looks like a standard analog drive
[18:53:36] <IchGuckLive> CaptHindsight: 7i76E
[18:53:45] <pcw_home> you can get step/dir right out of the 6i25
[18:54:07] <skunkworks_> pcw_home, yes - sounds like it is what is in cradeks mori jr...
[18:54:08] <CaptHindsight> I better read the manula
[18:54:16] <CaptHindsight> or the manual
[18:54:22] <pcw_home> the 7I76 just gives you buffered and differential step/dir
[18:54:53] <CaptHindsight> need some IO as well
[18:54:56] <pcw_home> if you want 4 buffered step/dir and 4 encoders you can use the cheaper 7I85S
[18:55:29] <pcw_home> if 5V I/O is OK, you can use the 17 GPIO bits on the second connector
[18:56:11] <CaptHindsight> it's all in the same enclosure, just small nema 23 or 17's and some buttons and switches
[18:56:19] <pcw_home> (second 6i25 connector)
[18:57:24] <CaptHindsight> 7i76 gets me more to play with for now, I can optimize later
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[18:57:54] <IchGuckLive> i use the 7i76 now as standard
[18:58:24] <IchGuckLive> playing around on 15feet cables
[18:58:28] <CaptHindsight> probably use the cubie for production, this is just for proto
[18:58:54] <pcw_home> the 7I76 I/O is safer from misshaps
[18:59:04] <IchGuckLive> proto why not standard parport
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[18:59:58] <IchGuckLive> parport is 5 Steppers and 5 inputs
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[19:00:15] <zeeshan|2> hi IchGuckLive
[19:00:18] <zeeshan|2> im here now for a few
[19:00:18] <zeeshan|2> :P
[19:00:21] <IchGuckLive> enoph for a plasma THC toolprobe and homelimits
[19:00:29] <CaptHindsight> IchGuckLive: not enough, plus then I need to go from PCIe to EPP
[19:00:41] <zeeshan|2> why is thc tool probe so important
[19:00:45] <zeeshan|2> my plasma machine has pilot arc
[19:01:00] <zeeshan|2> and i never cut corrugated sheet metal
[19:01:15] <zeeshan|2> i never understood the purpose of adding a Z axis ;p
[19:01:48] <IchGuckLive> i got differnt sheets at most of the time and i got the port so i use tool probe to touch off the tool at first to get the sheethight
[19:02:37] <CaptHindsight> IchGuckLive: this isn't a mill, it's a SLA-like printer
[19:03:00] <zeeshan|2> ahh
[19:03:05] <zeeshan|2> im a hobbyist
[19:03:10] <zeeshan|2> i can set the tool height for different sheets
[19:03:11] <zeeshan|2> :)
[19:03:11] <IchGuckLive> CaptHindsight: so you can get lower precision and therfor faster moves on the parport
[19:03:14] <zeeshan|2> manually!
[19:03:16] <IchGuckLive> CaptHindsight: 0,254
[19:03:29] <IchGuckLive> one step
[19:03:44] <CaptHindsight> IchGuckLive: but not enough IO, I'm interfacing with some other controls
[19:03:56] <IchGuckLive> this moves you at 450in/min and 600in/s²
[19:04:25] <CaptHindsight> EPP doesn't have enough IO for me
[19:05:21] <IchGuckLive> up to you
[19:05:43] <CaptHindsight> make sense for a plotter or mill
[19:05:48] <IchGuckLive> foe a standard ISO mashine its enoph as there are 2000 sold every day now world wide
[19:07:46] <CaptHindsight> pcw_home: are there IO boards that use the 6i25 header vs the DB conn?
[19:08:08] <CaptHindsight> <-- still needs a decoder ring
[19:10:25] <IchGuckLive> decoder ring on 4 or 8
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[19:12:02] <CaptHindsight> I'd like a 7i76 with a header vs db conn
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[19:14:51] <pcw_home> we dont have any daughterboard with headers
[19:14:52] <pcw_home> (dont want to encourage people to use long flat cables as we depend on the IEEE-1284 wiring for signal integrity)
[19:15:30] <CaptHindsight> only going 4 inches
[19:16:03] <CaptHindsight> but I understand, most are going from once case to another as well
[19:16:12] <pcw_home> Yep
[19:16:23] <CaptHindsight> and we already have 6i25's
[19:16:49] <CaptHindsight> so I can just custom cable 6i25 to a 7i47s
[19:17:05] <pcw_home> you can just use a flat cable with IDC DB25 on one end and header26 on the other
[19:17:58] <IchGuckLive> CaptHindsight:
http://www.cncmakers.com/cnc/controllers/Tool_Post_Turret/Inductive_Sensors_For_Tool_Posts.html
[19:18:13] <IchGuckLive> 25USD one pice
[19:18:19] <IchGuckLive> im off BYE
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[19:18:39] <einar> I have set MAX_VELOCITY to 100 in .INI file. Axis says Max Velocity 7200 mm/min!? Where did that come from?
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[19:19:59] <owhite> Hello people - does anyone know if there has been a fix for the issue of the glade editor not finding gladevcp? A description is here
http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=31823982 and there are other users asking around.
[19:22:43] <CaptHindsight> found a 7i77 as well
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[19:27:32] <CaptHindsight> and it ends up all the distro images and kernels for the cubie were using the wrong FP settings
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[20:24:07] <tjtr33> yowzeh hominy axis is this thing?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HFXO_qx5ZY
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[20:28:10] <skunkworks_> wow - that must be like wathcing paint dry
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[20:57:09] <MarkusBec> hallo is there anybody with a running mashinekit installation on a Beaglebone black?
[20:58:01] <MarkusBec> i have tried it on my beaglebone but the CPU clocks only with 36x mhz after booting the image from the SD card
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[21:40:23] <cradek> owhite: is this a bug in 2.5 or master? running buildbot debs, or rip?
[21:40:48] <cradek> owhite: never mind, why don't I read the message
[21:41:55] <cradek> must be master (since you mention gmoccapy) and buildbot debs
[21:42:45] <cradek> I don't know the answer, but if you file a bug on sourceforge (it could just point to this message which is a very good report) I'll make it a 2.6 blocker
[21:43:31] <owhite> cradek - sorry didnt spot this til now.
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[21:44:53] <owhite> so if you look at the thing I posted to emc-users a while ago
http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=31823982
[21:45:04] <owhite> one thing i mention is that this was a kernal install.
[21:45:35] <cradek> I don't understand what you mean
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[21:45:54] <owhite> take a look at this - this is how I installed linuxcnc:
[21:45:55] <owhite> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxCNC_On_Ubuntu_Precise
[21:46:06] <cradek> yes I did
[21:46:29] <owhite> so maybe using your language, I used buildbot debs.
[21:46:30] <cradek> that has instructions for both master-rt and v2.5_branch-rt
[21:46:38] <owhite> oh.
[21:46:41] <cradek> yep
[21:46:51] <cradek> I assume you chose master since you mentioned gmoccapy
[21:47:00] <owhite> ok.
[21:47:08] <cradek> did Philipp's suggestion not work?
[21:47:23] <owhite> nope. I tried several versions, didnt fix anything.
[21:47:39] <owhite> and found other cases of people complaining of same thing and versions did not fix.
[21:48:25] <cradek> it would be great if you would file a bug report saying the things you tried, and I'll make it a 2.6 blocker so it will get attention before the branch. I am not sure what else I can do.
[21:48:48] <cradek> I am not really sure who knows this area :-/
[21:49:27] <owhite> thanks. Are there docs for filing a bug report? Havent done that before. Yeah honestly I think gladevcp seemed interesting but right now I'm going with pyvcp just because its more expedient.
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[21:50:29] <cradek> the tracker is here:
http://sourceforge.net/p/emc/bugs/
[21:51:05] <cradek> hm, looks like you have to have a sourceforge account to file one. do you have one?
[21:51:30] <owhite> i do, yes.
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[21:51:48] <cradek> after you sign in you'll see a "create ticket" button appear there
[21:52:27] <cradek> brb
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[21:53:04] <owhite> okay - what types of information should I shout out so it's useful the developers?
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[22:04:43] <cradek> owhite: just a link to your original report, and add that you were using the master buildbot debs, and say what you tried that didn't fix it
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[22:05:39] <Deejay> gn8
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[22:21:34] <cradek> it was 70 degrees yesterday and now it's snowing.
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[22:49:04] <cradek> skunkworks: no -- under the pcb is transistors the size of a fist
[22:49:10] <cradek> well a baby fist at least
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[22:54:37] <Tom_itx> heh, cradek where is that?
[22:54:54] <Tom_itx> rather mild here today
[22:55:06] <cradek> Nebraska USA
[22:55:30] <cradek> I really needed a warm day to do some car repairs - it was great.
[22:55:32] <Tom_itx> mmm that means it'll probably drift south soon
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[23:29:58] <skunkworks> cradek: figured after looking at a few on ebay.. Lots of wires go under the circuit board...
[23:30:53] <JT-Shop> we will have a couple more nice days ~40F
[23:32:27] <skunkworks> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UT5xeO7ZCfw&feature=youtu.be
[23:33:12] <JT-Shop> what is it?
[23:33:23] <skunkworks> mach4 tapping...
[23:33:25] <atom1> JT-Shop,
http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/emc/xilinx/xilinx14_install_body_.htmlhttp://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/emc/xilinx/xilinx14_install_body_.html
[23:33:32] <atom1> woops
[23:33:46] <atom1> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/emc/xilinx/xilinx14_install_body_.html
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[23:42:12] <JT-Shop> atom1, Not Found
[23:42:50] <JT-Shop> the format looks familiar on that page
[23:43:01] <atom1> i'm still editing
[23:43:06] <atom1> did it load ok?
[23:43:17] <JT-Shop> oh nice clickable thumbs
[23:43:22] <JT-Shop> the second link did
[23:43:38] <atom1> there's still a couple broken links
[23:43:48] <JT-Shop> looking good!
[23:44:15] <atom1> looks more uniform
[23:44:30] <JT-Shop> I see some <br> tags int he top vhd files
[23:44:37] <atom1> i'm not surprised
[23:44:42] <JT-Shop> lol
[23:44:56] <atom1> i just wanted to see if it loaded ok from the server
[23:44:59] <JT-Shop> a listing block is
[23:45:00] <atom1> i've been loading it locally
[23:45:01] <JT-Shop> ----
[23:45:04] <JT-Shop> the block
[23:45:06] <JT-Shop> ----
[23:45:13] <atom1> for which?
[23:45:21] <JT-Shop> Top905...
[23:45:36] <atom1> yeah i tried that one too
[23:45:41] <atom1> may switch back
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[23:53:33] <atom1> JT-Shop, you like the 'block' look better?
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[23:54:03] <JT-Shop> for monospaced text yes
[23:55:59] <atom1> i think the links work now
[23:56:33] <JT-Shop> I don't think you can have links in a listing block
[23:56:48] <atom1> oh, i wasn't trying it there
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