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[00:33:59] <Jymmm> http://distractify.com/fun/fails/test-answers-that-are-totally-wrong-but-still-genius/
[00:40:02] <Mr_Mayhem> Can I use the spindle control tb4 in mode 1 on the 7i76? I wanted to put the VFD 10v analog out to a speed bar display widget, but I don't know if TB4 spindle control outputs would still work in mode 1, which provides 4 a/d inputs I assume.
[00:40:45] <PCW> spindle output always work
[00:40:51] <ries> Jymmm: my al time favorite is 'Write an example of risk'
[00:40:55] <PCW> outputs
[00:41:19] <Mr_Mayhem> What tb do the analogs show up on again?
[00:41:32] <Mr_Mayhem> The analog inputs, I mean.
[00:41:44] <PCW> but you dont need to loop it back to and A-D input you can just link to the output hal pin
[00:42:58] <Mr_Mayhem> I know that, I just figured it was a good way to practice, since my vfd puts out a seperate variable voltage tied to rpm.
[00:43:41] <Mr_Mayhem> I could have one bar for set speed, and one for actual. Spindle at speed is a seperate relay on the VFD, so I won't mess with that.
[00:43:55] <PCW> analog inputs are field inputs 0..3
[00:43:57] <Mr_Mayhem> It works great as is.
[00:44:03] <Mr_Mayhem> ok
[00:44:09] <Mr_Mayhem> thanks, PCW.
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[01:06:26] <andypugh> Night all
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[01:06:32] <Jymmm> andypugh: nite
[01:06:47] <Jymmm> Damn, I can never respond faster than he disconnects =)
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[01:51:04] <asah> anyone worked with the indramat 3TRM2 drive?
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[01:51:12] <asah> I am having a heck of a time with the enable loop
[01:53:00] <PCW> do you have a drive manual?
[01:53:11] <asah> yes
[01:53:23] <asah> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/4434215/CLAUSING%20CNC%20RETROFIT%20-%20NECESSARY%20FILES/Clausing%20Colechester%20Anilam%20Crusader%202L%20Service%20Manual.pdf
[01:53:29] <asah> nope... sorry
[01:53:51] <asah> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/4434215/CLAUSING%20CNC%20RETROFIT%20-%20NECESSARY%20FILES/3TRM2%20MANUAL.pdf
[01:53:51] <asah> thats the one
[01:54:02] <asah> page 18 has inputs on L4 which seem right
[01:54:12] <asah> but I can't tell what it says
[01:54:35] <asah> "servocontroller ready to run"
[01:54:35] <asah> is that a 60V signal its looking for?
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[01:55:18] <asah> or is that really an output (thats what I actually think now...)
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[01:56:08] <asah> it seems like if I put 24 v on one of the "pulse release" pins and the "controller release" pin of Axis 1 say... I should be good.
[01:57:15] <asah> the other strange thing is on "input voltage for desired speed" on pins 9 and 10, I don't undestand the difference between them.
[01:57:41] <asah> are they an "either or" or is one a reference voltage and the other the actual desired?
[01:58:33] <asah> both 9 and 10 are connected on the old control.
[01:59:34] <PCW> its a summing junction (one goes to analog speed command (7I83)) the other goes to the tachometer
[02:00:26] <PCW> servo ready to run looks like a relay contact closure
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[02:01:26] <asah> so 9 and 10 are the same signal?
[02:01:31] <PCW> I would be careful with 24V on the pulse release and controller release pins unless you know they are rated for it
[02:02:29] <asah> they should be ok with 24. they are getting 24 on old control.
[02:02:41] <PCW> they have the same function (one is command velocity from 7I83, the other is feedback velocity from tachometer (opposite polarity))
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[02:03:50] <PCW> make sure you keep the same arrangement (leave tachometer connection alone)
[02:04:37] <PCW> (because often the gains are different, tachometers usually put out more than 10V at full speed)
[02:04:49] <asah> here is an old thread that has some info:
http://linuxcnc.org/hardy/dapper/emc2/index.php/russian/forum/30-cnc-machines/1529-proudly-presenting-a-maho-mh700-retrofit?start=6
[02:05:21] <asah> I am not going to mess with 103 (already connected), my question is around 102 and 101
[02:05:25] <Mr_Mayhem> My VFD provides two analog inputs for speed control. Its simply a convenience, so you can program the VFD to use one or the other on the fly, based on some other condition. Probably defaults to the first input.
[02:08:55] <PCW> Oh I see maybe there is a separate aux input for some reason.
[02:09:49] <PCW> if R1 and R2 are the same they are interchangeble
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[02:15:28] <asah> I tried each one... no dice.
[02:16:53] <asah> would I need to mess with anything on L6?
[02:20:38] <PCW> as long as you have 220 power I wouldnt think so
[02:21:17] <PCW> is there a ready LED or can you check if the relay is closed
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[02:22:02] <asah> old control is connected to 4UL (L6 5)
[02:22:19] <asah> the relay is closed.
[02:22:42] <asah> "Servomotor ready to run" that is.
[02:22:54] <PCW> OK at least it thinks its power supplies are OK
[02:23:16] <asah> yes. what is the "Load voltage" on l6 ? is that an input or an output?
[02:23:41] <asah> pin 5, top left (says 24V 5,6,7)
[02:23:50] <PCW> very hard to read the schematic
[02:24:29] <asah> yes.
[02:27:35] <PCW> sounds like the drive is not enabled (it should at least creep/hum if enabled)
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[02:30:16] <PCW> sorry firefox crashed
[02:30:51] <PCW> anyway bbl time to go home...
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[02:33:56] <asah> thanks peter
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[02:49:48] <skunkworks> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mach1mach2cnc/conversations/messages/142688
[02:56:14] <jdh> RSN
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[02:58:42] <skunkworks> riiiight
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[03:08:12] <skunkworks> Brian seems to be 'all I have to do is get x done and we can start testing...' But x keeps changing
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[06:18:18] <RyanS> That was fun and not as difficult as I thought drilling through 30mm thick cast iron with 89mm holesaw
[06:24:19] <uw> th ekey is 2500rpm and no lube
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[06:26:07] <RyanS> minus 2400rpm :P
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[07:19:26] <archivist> cast can be nice
http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=pendulum+cast
[07:21:34] <RyanS> jeez, how did you shine it up that good?
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[07:23:43] <RyanS> emory cloth & so forth?
[07:36:47] <Mr_Mayhem> I always thought of cast iran as dull. Huh, it can be made shiny. Didn't know that.
[07:38:12] <Mr_Mayhem> Nice archive, btw. Will have to look around.
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[07:41:06] <Mr_Mayhem> I picture your archive web server up in a castle on a stormy night, with a single candle in the window. Lathe slowly turning out tiny gears... hehe.
[07:43:35] <RyanS> More like a lounge room full of oscilloscopes
[07:48:30] <Mr_Mayhem> hehe
[07:49:04] <Mr_Mayhem> The Professor from Futuramam, lol
[07:49:11] <Mr_Mayhem> Futurama
[07:49:34] <Mr_Mayhem> Nice collection of goodies.
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[07:53:08] <Deejay> moin
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[08:29:23] <Jymmm> Leaf Log maker
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFSVtJbpHF8
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[08:46:28] <RyanS> Model makers are so obsessed with their Myford lathes....
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[10:45:11] <RyanS> anybody machined a split collar before?
[10:48:38] <RyanS> no idea how wide to make the split without getting into how much particular metals deflect and clamping force
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[11:06:26] <jthornton> yea
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[15:43:36] <archivist_herron> http://www.gifbin.com/985266
[15:47:11] <cradek> yikes, that spread fast, maybe fresh hair spray
[15:47:22] <cradek> glad they got it out fast
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[16:46:55] <jthornton> cheap hairspray makes good potato gun propellant
[16:48:49] <ReadError_> wd40 works well too
[16:50:19] <syyl--> i think everything out of a spraycan works ;)
[16:50:35] <syyl--> ok, maybe no fire-extinguish spray ;)
[16:51:54] <jackc_> back in college we found that you get the highest muzzle energy with compressed air and a quarter-turn valve vs combustion ;-)
[16:52:01] <CaptHindsight> we used hairspray as a propellant for tennis ball cannons made from soda cans
[16:52:10] <jackc_> but failing that, multiple spark gaps for multiple flame fronts helps too
[16:52:54] <syyl--> i prefer air to, jackc_ ;)
[16:53:04] <syyl--> just because its not illegal over here ;)
[16:53:13] <jackc_> haha thats a positive for sure
[16:53:31] <jackc_> even if science is mostly legal over here, the general populace is still pretty concerned
[16:53:33] <syyl--> propelling a projectile with hot gas counts as a gun, here
[16:53:38] <syyl--> ...
[16:53:53] <jackc_> my landlord told my neighbors it looks like im building weapons of mass destruction in the basement
[16:54:21] <jackc_> due to the tools and in-progress projects
[16:54:54] <syyl--> i think that happens to every homeshop
[16:55:04] <syyl--> "are you building a bomb in there?!"
[16:55:06] <jackc_> haha
[16:55:39] <syyl--> "no, i do that in the shop located in a hollowed out volcano"
[16:55:49] <syyl--> "not in the basement"
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[16:56:55] <jackc_> i think it was the microwave dishes that looked most scary to this guy
[16:57:13] <syyl--> hr
[16:57:15] <syyl--> :D
[17:04:51] <TekniQue> 16:51:54 < jackc_> back in college we found that you get the highest muzzle energy with compressed air and a quarter-turn valve vs combustion ;-)
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[17:05:04] <TekniQue> yeah, thing is combustion in still air is very slow
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[17:05:33] <TekniQue> the laminar burn rate of a typical mixture of hydrocarbon fuel and air is very slow
[17:06:44] <jackc_> ya
[17:07:06] <jackc_> we did one with pure o2 and h2
[17:07:10] <jackc_> ...once
[17:07:49] <TekniQue> in an internal combustion engine you have very fast combustion because the air is moving very fast
[17:08:12] <TekniQue> the sudden compression makes for some turbulent mixing of the air:fuel mixture inside a spark ignition engine
[17:08:35] <pcw_home> C2H2 and 02 is pretty fast...
[17:08:53] <jackc_> no doubt
[17:08:58] <TekniQue> yeah pure oxygen is a game changer
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[17:21:24] <IchGuckLive> Hi all B=
[17:21:27] <IchGuckLive> O.O
[17:22:08] <IchGuckLive> someone has seen the chncguy or is he lost ot the russion board
[17:22:43] <IchGuckLive> seen! CHNCguy
[17:23:16] <Connor> anyone hooked up a set of iGaging scales to Linuxcnc and used it for closed loop? Wondering if it's possible.. and, if so, how well it works.
[17:24:08] <IchGuckLive> close loop is gaga only for freaks normel cheescake bakers use a bench of steplosses
[17:24:33] <cradek> if the scales give something like quadrature, it would work fine, but those cheap ones that are made for human reading usually don't have usable signals or update rates
[17:24:45] <cradek> updating 10 times a second is totally fine for humans, unusable for cnc
[17:25:01] <Connor> okay, that's what I thought.
[17:25:19] <cradek> well I don't have particular experience with that brand
[17:25:27] <cradek> just a warning of what to look for
[17:25:28] <IchGuckLive> why not using the new leadshine HSB drivers they gone correct the stepeprs
[17:25:35] <skunkworks> even our old 60s vintage cnc updated 250 times a second...
[17:25:39] <skunkworks> *nc
[17:25:53] <cradek> I hear some old machines had 100Hz updates
[17:26:07] <pcw_home> normel cheescake bakers?
[17:26:09] <cradek> with velocity mode servos and modest accelerations that's pretty adequate I bet
[17:26:20] <skunkworks> sure
[17:26:23] <IchGuckLive> pcw_home: freeks like me
[17:26:38] <cradek> IchGuckLive sounds slightly drunk today
[17:26:45] <IchGuckLive> O.O
[17:27:04] <skunkworks> christmas dinner here today.. I ate too much...
[17:27:41] <IchGuckLive> http://www.ebay.de/itm/3-sets-Leadshine-4-Nm-HBS-Closed-Loop-Stepper-Motor-Driver-Encoder-/281030451641
[17:28:04] <Connor> I was just thinking it would be nice to have a absolute readout.. and if possible tie it back into linuxcnc for closed loop, but sounds like they're for human only..
[17:28:37] <IchGuckLive> the hbs drivers report back to linuxcnc
[17:28:43] <Connor> IchGuckLive: My machine costs as much as one of those drives!
[17:29:19] <Connor> And, that's still not absolute position..
[17:29:37] <Connor> Only way is to use linear scales.
[17:29:56] <IchGuckLive> agree but its the future and almost that what people want at this time
[17:31:34] <archivist> steppers are not the future, I for one will not promote them as such
[17:31:49] <IchGuckLive> i live at the big mashines at 10mm failu NP and the plasmas are at 1mm
[17:31:52] <CaptHindsight> Nema 34, 4 Nm Stepper motor
[17:32:15] <archivist> large steppers are too slow
[17:32:25] <IchGuckLive> i use the 3Nm for 40 euros
[17:32:31] <CaptHindsight> what are we moving?
[17:32:50] <IchGuckLive> CaptHindsight: chees
[17:33:13] <CaptHindsight> no limberger I hope
[17:33:43] <jdh> can you really compensate for missed steps with those leadshine drives or just get a following error?
[17:34:12] <CaptHindsight> not sure of those exact model Leadshine
[17:34:33] <archivist> the drive itself may try to catch up
[17:34:45] <jdh> by trying the step again?
[17:34:49] <archivist> but it is a fail at that stage already
[17:35:09] <jdh> does it know/care what part of the step sequence it is in?
[17:35:11] <IchGuckLive> nothing cpompare to absolut
[17:35:27] <jdh> and whatever caused it to not step is just as likely still true
[17:35:44] <CaptHindsight> same for a servo
[17:35:58] <CaptHindsight> whatever caused the position to be not as expected
[17:36:01] <jdh> servo can increase current
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[17:36:46] <jdh> stepper would have to slow down, so all the other axes would have to compensate for that also
[17:36:53] <IchGuckLive> !seen CHNCguy
[17:36:54] <the_wench> last seen in 2013-12-17 06:25:35, seems to have quit or joined and I dont have a message
[17:37:08] <CaptHindsight> so what happens if you stick a wrench in the sprocket of a closed loop stepper? Does it keep trying?
[17:37:18] <Connor> jdh: Exactly, the closed loop is ONLY to the stepper driver..not to linuxcnc.. so, it would just send a fault.
[17:37:46] <jdh> CaptHindsight: no clue, encoders on steppers seem silly other than for fault detection
[17:38:01] <jdh> but, the number of things I don't know often amazes me.
[17:38:23] <Connor> Now, you CAN run scales with steppers.. I think I saw something about running steppers in some sort of torque mode.. or torque simulation mode..
[17:38:30] <archivist> if you have ever run a stepper lowly through the resonant region of its range you would avoid them like the plague for ever more
[17:38:36] <archivist> slowly
[17:39:03] <jdh> nah, they are fine if sized and used within their envelope
[17:39:10] <Connor> archivist: They have there place. For low end machines..
[17:39:26] <jdh> <- low end.
[17:40:15] <archivist> I have steppers and am implementing a stepper system for someone, does not make me like them though
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[17:41:51] <jdh> I'm not so sure my device would benefit from servos.
[17:42:03] <jdh> but, if you want to send me some, I'll try it out.
[17:42:12] <IchGuckLive> so new leadshine MX series goes Gecko540
[17:42:21] <IchGuckLive> whow multiaxis
[17:42:29] <jdh> I think keling has those on their site now.
[17:43:02] <Connor> Yes. Frankly, I stick to individual units.
[17:43:17] <IchGuckLive> the vnew 3printers are boosting the manafacturing
[17:43:33] <jdh> the package unit woudl be nice for compact installs.
[17:43:39] <IchGuckLive> Connor: agree 100%
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[17:48:03] <jthornton> seems like a lot of folks have problems getting a G540 to work
[17:52:39] <archivist> some of the breakout boards have compatibility problems that noobs may not spot
[17:53:52] <archivist> the step from the board I have just been playing with cannot drive the leadshine properly yet the direction pin can
[17:54:11] <jackc_> ive had huge success with the gecko servo drives, i use them on tons of stuff
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[17:58:52] <archivist> I was handed one of fleabay 201002312758 to drive the leadshine, I scoped the internal signals in the driver and one of the optos was not being driven hard enough
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[18:03:52] <skunkworks> jackc_, once you go closed loop (to linuxcnc) you never want to go back...
[18:04:23] <TekniQue> what's the go-to hardware solution for doing closed loop drive with linuxcnc?
[18:04:25] <skunkworks> heh
[18:04:26] <skunkworks> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mach1mach2cnc/conversations/messages/142689
[18:05:36] <IchGuckLive> TekniQue: 7i77
[18:05:49] <jackc_> skunkworks: im sure thats true, cost- and time- dependant
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[18:06:37] <TekniQue> IchGuckLive: who makes those?
[18:07:22] <TekniQue> ah, mesa
[18:07:26] <skunkworks> I like mesa and amc drives..
[18:07:59] <TekniQue> I assume I need some pciexpress card to go with that
[18:08:14] <TekniQue> or what
[18:08:18] <skunkworks> 5i25
[18:09:03] <skunkworks> the host, daughter and cable kit is about 239 iirc
[18:09:45] <TekniQue> aye, good price
[18:10:43] <skunkworks> very good for what you get - and very expandable
[18:11:08] <TekniQue> I want to go servo on my next project
[18:11:14] <TekniQue> no more driving steppers with parallel port
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[18:17:50] <IchGuckLive> TekniQue: the 7i76 is a bunch better or the 7i43
[18:17:56] <IchGuckLive> then parport
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[18:21:17] <IchGuckLive> hi flughafen how is the weather delay
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[18:24:11] <asah> yay!!! the maho moves!
[18:24:22] <IchGuckLive> Good
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[18:24:41] <IchGuckLive> Maho 600
[18:24:47] <asah> 400E
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[18:24:55] <asah> damn estop chain!!!
[18:25:12] <IchGuckLive> best to go via halui
[18:25:14] <asah> got my first axis jogging a few min ago...
[18:25:21] <skunkworks> Yay!
[18:25:33] <skunkworks> asah, but linux is hard!
[18:25:36] <skunkworks> ;)
[18:25:41] <asah> ha. right.
[18:25:42] <archivist> that happy feeling when stuff starts to move
[18:25:47] <asah> impossible as milicron says
[18:26:14] <asah> well to be fair, I have been using linux for 15+ years.
[18:26:15] <asah> =)
[18:26:24] <skunkworks> heh
[18:26:40] <IchGuckLive> asah: will you make a howto
[18:27:07] <asah> but getting the io working, and the analog out going was really just hooking it up to the mesa boards
[18:27:22] <asah> and poking with hal
[18:27:34] <asah> turns out the schematics have the outputs all off by one on the ribbon cable.
[18:27:41] <asah> so that was the first issue.
[18:27:47] <asah> (the maho schematics)
[18:28:21] <asah> IchGuckLive: I would love to. Ill post it to the fix it maho thread on practical machinist.
[18:28:43] <IchGuckLive> thanks
[18:28:56] <jdh> aren't all gecko servo drives step/dir?
[18:31:00] <skunkworks> yes
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[18:35:05] <jdh> seems almost, but not quite, pointless.
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[18:40:39] <TekniQue> IchGuckLive: yeah it doesn't take sophisticated hardware to improve upon the parport
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[18:40:55] <TekniQue> but the parport proved to be a very good entry level solution for me
[18:41:10] <TekniQue> to get to know CNC programming and such
[18:41:17] <IchGuckLive> ti76 has lots of IO 48
[18:41:45] <TekniQue> with minimal cost
[18:43:52] <IchGuckLive> minimal is a nother Exponder card to parport 8USD
[18:44:05] <IchGuckLive> to get 13 I
[18:44:30] <TekniQue> my current machine only uses 4 outputs and a couple of inputs
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[18:47:05] <IchGuckLive> i think the cnc will boost up after cristmas when all the folks got there 3D printer
[18:47:57] <Connor> Anyone ever think that the acronym CNC is out dated ?
[18:48:01] <TekniQue> I want to equip myself with a 3D printer
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[18:48:26] <TekniQue> but I have no interest in printing and using extruded plastic parts
[18:48:42] <IchGuckLive> Connor: it willbe mind controlled
[18:48:43] <TekniQue> what I want to do is make molds for casting aluminium
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[18:48:57] <IchGuckLive> Connor: like a replikator
[18:49:33] <IchGuckLive> TekniQue: there is a good TV show on the internet
[18:49:53] <IchGuckLive> TekniQue: they make inlays in a endlos printer 8 at the time
[18:50:21] <jdh> I would like a 3d printer that did Al, Ti, SS.
[18:50:54] <Connor> More to the point.. I think the N in cNc is outdated.. numerical ?? Come on.. that's so.. OLD..
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[18:51:03] <archivist> I wand a gold bullion printer
[18:51:19] <Connor> Platinum printer.
[18:53:50] <IchGuckLive> TekniQue:
http://www.3sat.de/mediathek/?mode=play&obj=39875 at 20:-22 you can slide forward quixk
[18:53:50] <TekniQue> IchGuckLive: remember what it was called?
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[18:54:00] <IchGuckLive> ;-)
[18:54:57] <IchGuckLive> at 23:30 Biggest 3D perinter of the world
[18:55:03] <IchGuckLive> you can bay
[18:55:07] <IchGuckLive> buy
[18:56:01] <TekniQue> I just think the current generation low cost 3d printers (plastic extruders) are toys
[18:56:34] <TekniQue> although they may have their use
[18:56:49] <IchGuckLive> you can get powder printers for less then 3K USD
[18:57:03] <IchGuckLive> Z-corperation
[18:57:52] <IchGuckLive> also for 4K in color it hardens the powder then prints a outside color line
[18:58:16] <jdh> I would rather have a laser cutter/engraver.
[18:59:03] <jdh> they have been printing some mock-ups for tooling here with a cube extruder thingie. They actually seem useful for that.
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[18:59:18] <IchGuckLive> http://3dcorp.ru/ckfinder/images/3dcorp_ruZprinter%20450%201.jpg
[18:59:45] <TekniQue> very nice
[19:00:09] <DaViruz_> since i found out how simple and cheap it is to order good 3d prints all the interest i might have had in getting a printer disappeared
[19:00:57] <IchGuckLive> DaViruz_: agree the 3D printing shops are growing like mashrooms
[19:01:39] <IchGuckLive> and the benefit goes to Microsoft Xbox Kinetic
[19:02:00] <IchGuckLive> lots of people are warking around others to sculp themsellf
[19:02:08] <DaViruz_> granted i don't need a whole lot of 3d prints. if i did it might be another story
[19:02:57] <IchGuckLive> 10 Jars ago o my Nimitz Carrier scale it woudt be the first item i bought but i made all of plywood
[19:03:26] <IchGuckLive> oh my eng today is wors so i might considder to go to bed
[19:03:58] <IchGuckLive> BYE folks and keep on Xmas is nearing
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[19:07:41] <TekniQue> what I want to cast is 2 stroke engine cylinders
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[19:08:23] <archivist> machine from solid
[19:08:26] <TekniQue> it would be wondeful to be able to print them in wax or similar thermally vanishable material and do lost wax casting
[19:08:57] <TekniQue> it'd take a 5 or 6 axis machine to machine them from solid
[19:09:05] <TekniQue> the transfer ports are a complex shape
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[19:10:45] <flughafen> does any german in here know what bondo is called/sold as in germany?
[19:12:36] <kengu> i am not german but is this the bondo,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bondo_%28putty%29
[19:13:12] <flughafen> yes kengu
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[19:13:53] <TekniQue> I think spachtelmasse would be the generic term for it
[19:14:44] <flughafen> thanks TekniQue
[19:15:25] <flughafen> haha
http://the-deli-garage.de/shopware.php?sViewport=detail&sArticle=20
[19:15:40] <TekniQue> haha
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[19:17:19] <pcw_home> spackle must be from the same root word
[19:18:07] <flughafen> yeha
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[20:09:28] <Loetmichel> soo, FEIERABEND!
[20:19:19] <jdh> that's what I was thinking.
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[21:07:51] <Loetmichel> jdh: was only 13 hrs work today.. and tomorrow will definetly be _much_ longer.
[21:08:35] <Loetmichel> ... and i borke my e-cig 2 minutes before leaving the company, had fallen out of the shirt pocket onto the floor at cleanup :-(
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[21:11:24] <rob_h> any one in the UK want a cheap CNC ,
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Chiron-FZ-12W-CNC-Machining-Centre-Fanuc-O-M-Control-Spares-or-Repairs-/321276614233?pt=UK_BOI_Metalworking_Milling_Welding_Metalworking_Supplies_ET&hash=item4acd941659
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[21:23:45] <kengu> uuh
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[21:35:09] <andypugh> That's not very cheap.
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[21:40:20] <CaptHindsight> archivist: have any experience with the Tektronix TDS784D 1GHz scopes?
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[21:42:40] <CaptHindsight> http://www.tek.com/datasheet/tds784d
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[21:47:51] <cradek> cool, it has crt-emulation
[21:50:00] <CaptHindsight> snazzy
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[22:18:18] <Deejay> gn8
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[22:39:58] <Spida> anybody here in/near germany with a mill/plasma/waterjet that is able to cut 3mm sheet steel?
[22:40:31] <Spida> I have a small project...
[22:40:52] <micges> where are you?
[22:41:11] <Spida> germany, aachen
[22:42:37] <Spida> I need two steel stripes in the general area of 40 by 500 mm, with 4 holes and two bends
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[23:42:34] <JT-Shop> come by the shop and I'll make them for you
[23:42:45] <JT-Shop> I'm in swamp east Missouri
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[23:46:15] <kengu> how does one machine bends with plasma?
[23:46:59] <kengu> i hear the boys did cut some 4mm steel with the plasma here. but yeah, not in germany
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[23:52:01] <karmicthreat2> So I have an analog servo amp I want to test. Can I put 5v on a single ended input on the amp to move the motor or do I need to put a 10K resistor in there?
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[23:57:10] <andypugh> The input resistance of the analogue input pin should be self limiting for current.
[23:57:41] <andypugh> Otherwise it would pull down the control voltage, and that would be silly.
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