#linuxcnc | Logs for 2013-12-10

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[00:10:38] <andypugh> JT-Shop: http://www.gnarlyharleys.com/top-10-bike-fails-loading-unloading/
[00:12:39] <JT-Shop> we didn't plan that much
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[00:15:20] <Tom_itx> bikes don't belong in pickups.
[00:15:43] <JT-Shop> I can see none of those had any redneck in them or they would know how to load into a truck
[00:15:49] <andypugh> Those bikes seem to agree.
[00:16:16] <Tom_itx> our moving ramp has a hole in it with a pin to match the hole in the tailgate
[00:16:22] <andypugh> The Custard is the one that surprises me, I doubt that has ever gone anywhere _except_ on the back of a truck.
[00:17:03] <JT-Shop> I brought a Suzuki 350 from North Carolina to Mississippi with the front wheel straped into the trunk of my Chevy Nova with no problems.
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[00:33:25] <JT-Shop> other than the video being borked a bit the new motherboard works
[00:33:26] <Jymmm> Has anyone used these probes? http://www.ebay.com/itm/One-New-Professional-Test-Clip-Insulation-Piercing-/300313614014
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[00:39:44] <andypugh> Not those specific ones, no.
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[00:40:20] <Jymmm> andypugh: It's the point itself I was mostly concerned with.
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[00:40:29] <andypugh> Yes, well worth having.
[00:40:42] <Jymmm> andypugh: hard to tell as theres no scale if those will pierce nicely
[00:41:04] <andypugh> You can scale from the Banana socket?
[00:41:26] <Jymmm> http://i.ebayimg.com/t/One-New-Professional-Test-Clip-Insulation-Piercing-/00/s/MTE4MlgxMjMy/$%28KGrHqN,!o8FBkT2zGLGBQl206Ie1!~~60_57.JPG
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[00:42:09] <Jymmm> andypugh: that photo is the one I was talking about no scale. as the tip looks kinda blunt
[00:42:48] <andypugh> It does, slightly, but that might be a good thing as you want to wiggle between the strands, not cut them.
[00:42:56] <Jymmm> not sure if theres room to sharpen them up a bit or not
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[00:44:31] <andypugh> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fluke-TP81-Stainless-steel-Insulation-Piercing-Probe-W-Banana-Jack-/181192279051?pt=Motors_Automotive_Tools&hash=item2a2fe6c40b if you want to be sure :-)
[00:45:04] <Jymmm> andypugh: I'm not even gonna click on that link as I suspect it comes with a $50 price tag attached to it =)
[00:45:32] <Jymmm> andypugh: my bad, $105 USD =)
[00:45:34] <andypugh> You understimate
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[00:46:10] <Jymmm> andypugh: Not really... http://www.amazon.com/Fluke-TP81-Stainless-Insulation-Piercing/dp/B000VRECUQ
[00:46:21] <Jymmm> andypugh: $45 with free shipping =)
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[00:47:13] <andypugh> I just bought these, and blame you: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181179386348?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
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[00:47:46] <Jymmm> andypugh: before or after the nes I linked to?
[00:47:51] <Jymmm> ones*
[00:47:54] <andypugh> After
[00:47:58] <Jymmm> lol
[00:48:21] <Jymmm> Isaw those, but They seem to big to get into harnesses sometimes
[00:49:30] <andypugh> That style is specifically for that, the wedge end is meant to be pushed into the harness, then you open the gap to let the correct wire drop in.
[00:49:47] <Jymmm> which?
[00:50:05] <Jymmm> yours or mine?
[00:50:05] <andypugh> 181179386348
[00:50:55] <Jymmm> ah, but still too big I think
[00:51:07] <Jymmm> *shrug*
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[00:56:48] <Jymmm> andypugh: The ones I was looking at:
[00:56:50] <Jymmm> These work with some effort, but they're not nearly as good as the Pomona Electronics (POM6405) Insulation Piercing Clips. They're thinner, but they don't pierce insulation as well, or as reliably, and often require manual pressure to maintain contact.
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[01:01:04] <MacGalempsy_> evening
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[01:02:22] <andypugh> Evening. Goodnight, in fact, looking at the clock :-)
[01:02:59] <MacGalempsy_> sounds like ful
[01:03:13] <MacGalempsy_> fun, counting down the time?
[01:04:01] <MacGalempsy_> andypugh: I need a little insight to getting the machine to automatically home
[01:04:36] <andypugh> Nah, just about to go to sleep.
[01:04:46] <MacGalempsy_> I can get the axes to move, but still cant figure out how to click a button and have the machine touch the home switch and backoff
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[01:05:40] <andypugh> Standard GUI?
[01:05:49] <MacGalempsy_> yep
[01:05:58] <MacGalempsy_> when I click home, it just zeros
[01:06:03] <MacGalempsy_> the dro
[01:06:25] <andypugh> You need to define the home switch inputs and the search and latch velocities.
[01:06:39] <MacGalempsy_> the switches work
[01:06:53] <andypugh> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/config/ini_homing.html
[01:06:54] <MacGalempsy_> so just define the search and latch velocities?
[01:07:18] <tjtr33> MacGalempsy, try looking at this http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/config/ini_homing.html
[01:07:31] <tjtr33> doh! he types fast
[01:07:51] <andypugh> <makes his escape>
[01:07:55] <tjtr33> :)
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[01:08:14] <MacGalempsy_> lagging? heh
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[01:08:30] <tjtr33> just faster than I
[01:09:07] <Valen> friendly reminder to clean your heatsinks, just had cpu temp alarm on my desktop, not suprising really it was 100% clogged
[01:09:13] <Valen> well for those of us going into summer
[01:10:09] <tjtr33> ive had same on laptop, weird copper snake with fins was fulla lint
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[01:12:14] <Valen> be carefull blowing them out, stick something in to jam the fan or you can overspeed it
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[01:17:05] <tjtr33> hehe, i clean the desktop fans when powered off , with shop air ( i like the noise they make 'turbines to power batman!" )
[01:18:30] <tjtr33> hmm, i suppose they should be disconected for the generated dc ... oops!
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[02:15:30] <Valen> its the overspeed of the bearings that is the problem
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[03:08:36] <jesseg> Anyone played with this? http://heeks.net/
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[03:29:32] <uw> looks good jesseg
[03:32:33] <jesseg> I'm trying to compile it on slackware hahahahaha..
[03:33:22] <uw> generating tool paths has been the worst part of open source cnc milling IMO
[03:33:30] <uw> if this works, that would be cool
[03:36:55] <jesseg> want to bet on whether I'll be able to get it to work on slackware? LOL. (Slackware is probably the hardest of all desktop distros to use when trying to get fancy graphics apps to compile.
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[06:37:05] <jesseg> I can't believe it... heekscad actually compiled on slackware 13.37 with only 1 dirty hack and two soft hacks!!
[06:52:11] <jesseg> Of course it's crashy/
[06:57:36] <ju-emb> long time ago (1 year or so) I tried to compile it too, but it was a PITA, and it didn't run stable on ..ix based systems.
[06:57:38] <ju-emb> Now I'm using Freecad, blender and blendercam
[06:58:10] <jesseg> How's freecad?
[06:58:30] <jesseg> I guess if freecad or blender were great for the task you wouldn't be using them both ;)
[06:58:35] <ju-emb> suffi for the things I'm doing
[06:59:47] <ju-emb> I switched to freecad after heeks got out of the way, so I became used to it
[07:00:12] <ju-emb> FreeCad is more CAD like, blender more modeling like
[07:00:19] <jesseg> Does freecad provide what you need to draw up a part and then produce gcodes?
[07:00:50] <jesseg> I wonder if I can get freecad to compile in slackware
[07:01:12] <ju-emb> Freecad doesn't have cam yet
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[07:01:41] <ju-emb> If you compile heeks on slackware, freecad shouldn't be a problem
[07:01:41] <jesseg> Ahh.. I've heard of openscad - but that may have a purely text command based inputmode
[07:02:20] <ju-emb> that's more programming than construction
[07:02:21] <jesseg> But freecad won't do me any good if I can't produce gcode files, right? or is there a third party path for that?
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[07:03:04] <ju-emb> freecad can export mash's and that fit's in nearly every CAM
[07:03:30] <jesseg> mash's?
[07:03:38] <jesseg> not familier with those
[07:03:42] <ju-emb> latest version of blender has defined units
[07:03:51] <ju-emb> sorry mesh's
[07:04:00] <jesseg> Oh, those I've heard o
[07:04:01] <jesseg> f
[07:04:22] <jesseg> so does LinuxCNC import said meshes, then?
[07:04:29] <ju-emb> .stl is a mesh format
[07:04:42] <jesseg> right
[07:05:04] <jesseg> so then I'd still need a program to convert the mesh to the gcode for LinuxCNC
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[07:05:49] <ju-emb> Let me tell you the entire story:
[07:06:04] <jesseg> *listens*
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[07:06:23] <ju-emb> Blender noe has units, so you can do a modelling on blender and blendercam does g-code
[07:06:53] <jesseg> cool
[07:07:40] <ju-emb> freecad is better for construction, so if you do sketch's modify them with constraints and form 3D
[07:07:56] <ju-emb> all that works in blender now
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[07:08:38] <ju-emb> so lately I used more blender than freecad
[07:08:45] <jesseg> interesting
[07:09:13] <ju-emb> only if I have some work done in freecad and like to modify them I use freecad
[07:09:36] <ju-emb> new stuff I try to do complete in blender
[07:09:57] <jesseg> I see
[07:10:03] <ju-emb> Blender doesn't work if you need 2D prints
[07:10:51] <ju-emb> but convert your pieces in g-code and feed it into lcnc works great
[07:12:06] <ju-emb> and if you know a bit of Python, you can tweek blender to optimize your g-code
[07:12:13] <jesseg> yeah anything can be used to make 2d prints
[07:12:35] <jesseg> a "bit" is about all I know of pythong :P
[07:12:39] <ju-emb> anything but blender
[07:12:45] <jesseg> yeah
[07:13:19] <ju-emb> I'm just learning it and there are always fights and screams at night
[07:13:36] <ju-emb> Python is like Woman
[07:14:12] <ju-emb> a lot of beauty words but really hard to understand
[07:14:27] <jesseg> LOL yeah
[07:14:32] <ju-emb> most you only guess
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[07:15:33] <jesseg> 99% of my python experience was used in writing a statemachine for logging data and sending via cellular modem on an embedded cell modem module.. and because the built in cpu had so little memory, they stripped out floating point support from the python :P
[07:16:49] <ju-emb> there is no alternative to a compiler
[07:17:16] <Jymmm> ASM FTW
[07:17:36] <ju-emb> the compiler you can tell what you want and he just does it
[07:18:06] <ju-emb> a interpreter you are in hands of the guys who wrote it
[07:19:30] <jesseg> Woah!! I just downloaded blender (precompiled binary) and ran it on Slackware..
[07:19:32] <jesseg> and it ran..!!
[07:19:49] <ju-emb> congrat's
[07:19:57] <jesseg> Of course I don't know how to use it, but I know someone who does amazing things with it
[07:20:09] <ju-emb> search for blendercam
[07:20:09] <jesseg> is blendercam a different project from another site?
[07:20:11] <jesseg> ok
[07:20:42] <ju-emb> it's a plugin to blender, but you can get it as complete binary
[07:22:08] <ju-emb> first you can do easy is, take a cube, subtract a cylinder out of the middle and pass it to cam
[07:23:12] <ju-emb> the basic blender tutorial should give you an idea, and will cost you 1/2 hour or so
[07:23:40] <jesseg> yeah
[07:23:50] <ju-emb> if you are familiar with 3D design ideas it's easy
[07:24:05] <jesseg> I guess starting cold with no experience on anything, blender's probably as good as one to invest time in learning
[07:24:34] <jesseg> I'm familiar with 3D objects... not familiar with any method of inputing those into the computer :P
[07:24:48] <ju-emb> that's what I think now about blender
[07:25:41] <ju-emb> but you shouldn't focus on curves, there you'll not find the right mill bit's for it
[07:26:11] <ju-emb> that was related to the 3d objects
[07:27:39] <ju-emb> long time I ignored blender, because my idea was, that it is for games or animations
[07:28:04] <ju-emb> now I know that it is good for more useful things too
[07:28:47] <jesseg> yeah
[07:29:11] <ju-emb> did you find blendercam?
[07:29:25] <jesseg> Found t his: http://blendercam.blogspot.com/p/download-and-installation.html
[07:29:55] <ju-emb> that's all you need
[07:31:14] <ju-emb> BTW blendercam has 3Axis LCNC machines predefined
[07:32:10] <jesseg> coool
[07:32:11] <ju-emb> and the animation feature you can use to simulate your cut's
[07:32:43] <jesseg> wow blendercam is big.. oh.. is that blender precompiled with it?
[07:34:19] <ju-emb> yes, it's a complete blender with the CAM plugin
[07:34:30] <jesseg> What's a measly 100mbytes
[07:34:49] <ju-emb> you should install it in another folder than the blender
[07:35:13] <ju-emb> so you can use both independent
[07:35:20] <jesseg> yeah
[07:35:35] <jesseg> it's a couple minor versions older than the plain blender I got
[07:35:56] <jesseg> eh, one minor version older :P
[07:36:30] <jesseg> Ahh, this is layed out a tad different
[07:36:40] <ju-emb> but it' hase units , that's the important part
[07:36:56] <ju-emb> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=No4XrqG0HaM
[07:38:51] <jesseg> watching video
[07:39:34] <jesseg> So do you design and then render to gcode in blendercam, or do you design in plain blender, then load up the file in blendercam
[07:40:17] <ju-emb> depends on what I'm doing
[07:40:34] <ju-emb> for 3d print I make all in blender
[07:41:20] <jesseg> instead of blendercam?
[07:41:23] <ju-emb> for machine parts I have lot of parts done in freecad, so I do an import
[07:41:30] <jesseg> oh I see
[07:41:43] <jesseg> Oh, so you can import meshes from freecad into blendercam?
[07:41:59] <ju-emb> yes, that's the big deal
[07:42:25] <jesseg> But I guess my question is whether blendercam is missing the object creation functionality of the vanila blender
[07:43:06] <ju-emb> no, it's just changing the perspective or how it is called in blender
[07:43:14] <ju-emb> let me see
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[07:44:06] <ju-emb> it's all there
[07:44:29] <ju-emb> Menu add
[07:44:41] <ju-emb> then a cube or so
[07:45:01] <jesseg> K let me try that
[07:45:13] <ju-emb> then face mode and change
[07:45:19] <ju-emb> the size
[07:46:36] <jesseg> What is "face mode?"
[07:46:46] * jesseg brand new to blender & doesn't see "face mode"
[07:47:52] <ju-emb> it's actually called "edit mode" and then you have choices of object, vertex, or faces
[07:47:57] <Jymmm> jesseg: Try #blender
[07:48:03] <jesseg> oh good idea:P
[07:48:09] <jesseg> ju-emb, is http://sourceforge.net/projects/free-cad/ the freecad you're talking abuot?
[07:48:33] <jesseg> will the folks in #blender laugh at me for using blendercam? :P
[07:48:35] <ju-emb> yes. that's it
[07:49:18] <ju-emb> It's Open source, so nothing to laugh
[07:49:29] <ju-emb> but they will not understand CAM
[07:49:41] <jesseg> exactly :P
[07:50:11] <ju-emb> so it's a good idea to have installed both versions
[07:50:16] <jesseg> yeah
[07:50:18] <jesseg> I do have
[07:50:25] <ju-emb> me to
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[07:52:08] <ju-emb> once you learned to go with blender making some objects you come back to blendercam and do the CAM
[07:52:25] <ju-emb> later you can do all in blendercam
[07:52:38] <jesseg> oh cool that's what I was hoping for
[07:54:27] <jesseg> Hmm. My little xyz axes indicator is gone.
[07:55:07] <ju-emb> ther is a little symbol to click to get it back
[07:55:31] <jesseg> Well, I see the one in bottom left of screen.. But I can't find the one that lets me move the cube
[07:55:49] <jesseg> but as Jymmm suggested, maybe I shouldn't be spamming this channel off topic;)
[07:55:51] <ju-emb> you should know that all in blender are objects, that little xyz is one of them
[07:56:21] <ju-emb> you have to go to object mode
[07:57:41] <ju-emb> object mode to move the cube
[07:57:43] <ju-emb> edit mode to change the proportions
[07:58:05] <jesseg> Ahh
[07:59:04] <ju-emb> right click on the face or vertex, then move the arrow
[07:59:22] <ju-emb> in edit mode
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[08:00:58] <jesseg> I'm not seeing any arrow in blendercam
[08:01:04] <jesseg> had no problem in blender
[08:01:41] <ju-emb> let's do it together from scratch
[08:02:00] <ju-emb> change to object mode
[08:02:24] <jesseg> Okay. (other topic - I tried freecad. It has a bunch of dependancies that I don't feel up to fixing tonight :) I give up on it for now..)
[08:02:26] <ju-emb> press x and select delete
[08:02:33] <jesseg> hold on let me close and start fresh on blendercam
[08:03:08] <jesseg> OK. Fresh Blender 2.68a, blendercam running.
[08:03:27] <jesseg> Done.
[08:03:35] <jesseg> But there wasn't anything to delete that I could see.
[08:03:39] <ju-emb> so you are better than I 2.67
[08:04:04] <ju-emb> that's right, blendercam starts with no objects
[08:04:20] <ju-emb> click menu add mesh cube
[08:04:36] <jesseg> done
[08:04:50] <ju-emb> with arrows right?
[08:04:56] <jesseg> oh, now I see the RGB arrows in the middle of the screen AND tinier in the bottom left..!
[08:05:10] <ju-emb> that's it
[08:05:12] <jesseg> I must have messed something up before..
[08:05:41] <ju-emb> clicking on the arrows in the middle moves the cube around
[08:05:55] <jesseg> yeah! cool! I was doing that in blender vanila
[08:06:08] <ju-emb> so change to edit mode
[08:06:13] <jesseg> right-click+drag also moves it in two axis at a time
[08:07:47] <jesseg> okay I get it. cool
[08:07:57] <jesseg> Thanks very much for all your help!
[08:08:17] <ju-emb> that's what we are here for
[08:08:41] <jesseg> So is it hard importing from freecad to blendercam?
[08:08:58] <ju-emb> absolute not
[08:09:03] <jesseg> okay cool
[08:09:18] <ju-emb> in freecad you export .stl
[08:09:40] <ju-emb> in blender you say import mesh
[08:09:45] <jesseg> cooool
[08:09:50] <jesseg> I have so much to learn!
[08:10:02] <jesseg> But.. it's past my bedtime.
[08:10:05] <ju-emb> all we have
[08:10:35] <ju-emb> so dream of freecad and blendercam
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[08:11:42] <Deejay> moin
[08:12:26] <ju-emb> Deejay: that sounds german
[08:13:40] <Deejay> it is :)
[08:13:47] <Deejay> good morning :)
[08:14:14] <ju-emb> Ich kann auch Deutsch
[08:16:03] <Deejay> :-)
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[12:40:07] <mseidl> has anybody ever heard of jet milling machines?
[12:40:25] <jthornton> y7ea
[12:40:30] <mseidl> are they any good?
[12:41:02] <jthornton> depends on your definition of "good"
[12:41:26] <jthornton> probably better than a chinese mill
[12:41:49] <jthornton> IIRC they are/were made in Taiwan
[12:41:51] <skunkworks> jet made milling machines? we have a jet bandsaw iirc
[12:42:27] <jthornton> morning
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[12:43:02] <skunkworks> Good Morning!
[12:43:06] <jthornton> http://www.jettools.com/us/en/c/metalworking-milling/230
[12:43:15] <jthornton> you guys snowed in?
[12:43:28] <mseidl> 8 degrees here(c)
[12:43:43] <skunkworks> no - only aboyt 4 inches here over the last few days
[12:44:20] <jthornton> we got 18" Friday on top of 1/2" if sleet so nothing much moved
[12:44:35] <skunkworks> Wow!
[12:44:48] <skunkworks> north of us got those amounts
[12:44:49] <mseidl> I was looking at converting a vertical mill to cnc, but all the cheap ones have really crappy working areas
[12:45:09] <skunkworks> mseidl, look for a cnc with a dead control...
[12:45:11] <jthornton> roads will clear today with sunny skies and 37F
[12:45:20] <mseidl> skunkworks: what do you mean dead control?
[12:46:05] <skunkworks> to convert to linuxcnc. That way you have decent ballscrews/servo setup..
[12:46:14] <mseidl> ok,
[12:46:25] <skunkworks> maybe even a tool changer
[12:46:36] <skunkworks> coolant control...
[12:46:51] <jthornton> I converted my BP knee mill that had a 3 axis Anilam CNC conversion on it to LinuxCNC
[12:46:55] <skunkworks> and you can usually get them for not much more than a manual machine
[12:48:12] <mseidl> what would be the minimum machine require to mill titanium :)
[12:48:15] <jthornton> saves a ton of money to start with a CNC mill than trying to convert a manual mill
[12:48:22] <mseidl> skunkworks: how much are you taking here?
[12:48:47] <jthornton> what size parts?
[12:50:15] <mseidl> hummm, in titanium?
[12:51:03] <mseidl> ideally my machine working size would be about 30x36x15cm
[12:51:12] <mseidl> i dont think I would make titanium parts that big
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[12:57:17] <Tom_itx> 12 F clear
[12:58:43] <jthornton> danimal makes titanium chain rings on a BP knee mill
[12:59:02] <Tom_itx> fairly thin material though
[13:02:25] <mseidl> i also have the problem of not having a garage with power
[13:10:08] <skunkworks> crank cnc?
[13:10:20] <jthornton> lol
[13:10:20] <mseidl> hah
[13:10:32] * mseidl reminds himself to double his dose of steroids
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[13:31:47] <CaptHindsight> mseidl: lots of cnc deals on fleabay currently
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[13:35:51] <mseidl> thanks CaptHindsight , is there aything I should search for?
[13:35:57] <mseidl> (that would be available in europe?)
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[13:40:35] <jthornton> latest version of the mill G code generator is up http://gnipsel.com/files/g-code-generator/
[13:43:33] <CaptHindsight> 380789191410 Bridgeport Series 1 CNC Mill, Unfinished project, Needs Attention
[13:44:21] <mseidl> how much would a restoration cost?
[13:44:21] <skunkworks> heh - 3d printing..
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[13:46:08] <mseidl> why is this called a knee mill?
[13:47:01] <mseidl> i dont think that would fit into my apartment ;)
[13:47:18] <CaptHindsight> you need a bigger place
[13:47:26] <mseidl> you're tellin gme!
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[13:48:38] <mseidl> what kidn of accuracy/repeatability can you get from a series 1?
[13:49:23] <CaptHindsight> "the main spindle motor has cracked mounting flange but may repair quite easily" heh 261345957133
[13:49:28] <CaptHindsight> or maybe not
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[13:51:18] <ju-emb> http://gnipsel.com/files/g-code-generator/
[13:51:20] <ju-emb> folder is there
[13:51:22] <ju-emb> http://gnipsel.com/files/g-code-generator/mill1.5.zip
[13:51:24] <ju-emb> gives 404 Error
[13:51:31] <CaptHindsight> mseidl: it depends on the condition of the bearings and ways
[13:51:48] <gonzo__> it's called a knee mill, as the lower platform can be raised and lowered to set the working height. Bit like beinging your knee up?
[13:52:18] <gonzo__> I'm doing a retro fit to a manual series one
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[13:53:31] <gonzo__> but if that has the same screws as mine. Then the first job would be to put some decent ballscrews in
[13:53:49] <CaptHindsight> gonzo__: so it's not because that what part of your body bangs into the Z handle when you walk by? :)
[13:54:03] <mseidl> CaptHindsight: that was my first though,
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[13:54:42] <CaptHindsight> mseidl: what do you have room for?
[13:54:51] <gonzo__> hehe, mine is in the walkway in the garage, and usually the knee is left set higher. So you band summut else on there! And that's exactly what you say too!
[13:55:06] <gonzo__> bang
[13:55:29] <mseidl> maybe a 2x4' machine, but i live in the top floor of an apartment so it can't weigh 1 ton
[13:55:59] <gonzo__> my manual S1 is about 1-1/4ton
[13:56:10] * mseidl thinks it might be time to buy a house :)
[13:56:26] <gonzo__> would be fine in a flat. Though it could pick up some speed on the way down if the floors give
[13:56:33] <jthornton> ju-emb, I just renamed the file
[13:56:37] <jthornton> folder
[13:57:20] <jthornton> just use http://gnipsel.com/files/g-code-generator/
[13:57:52] <CaptHindsight> 121228655009 Denford Triac CNC XYZ Milling Machin
[13:58:54] <jthornton> nice
[13:59:49] <mseidl> could you mill titanium on that ? :)
[14:01:27] <jthornton> archivist, if I buy that would you email it to me?
[14:02:25] <ju-emb> jthornton: but you need your own domain e-mail address, hotmail will just cloudspace it
[14:02:44] <CaptHindsight> jthornton: does your ISP have a weight cap on email?
[14:03:20] <mseidl> why in the heck does that thing have a cassett player?
[14:03:43] <ju-emb> to listen music while working
[14:04:02] <ju-emb> made in GB
[14:05:05] <mseidl> haha,
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[14:21:22] <ju-emb> jthornton: looks good the g-code-generator, I like it
[14:22:30] <JT-Shop> ju-emb: I don't use hotmail...
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[15:28:05] <skunkworks> pcw_home, http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/dmg-mori-seiki-gildemeister-maho-cnc/fix-your-maho-thread-270525/index3.html#post2176405
[15:29:08] <skunkworks> The guy was scared away from linuxcnc because of the comments about it being slow. Poor guy
[15:31:16] <cradek> is that a really fast machine?
[15:33:45] <archivist> the comment "Another reason for me to keep Camsoft is the fact that it has 5 axis machining right out of the box. And I guess it will be a long time until that is "plug_and_play" in LinuxCNC? "
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[15:33:58] <archivist> needs a stir
[15:39:00] <CaptHindsight> when did they start selling full size 14-17" laptops without optical drives?
[15:41:20] <skunkworks> Guy at work just bought one without. He didn't notice it untill he tired to install some of his software :)
[15:41:30] <CaptHindsight> sneaky
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[16:04:14] <flughafen> cd-roms are so 2008
[16:13:03] <CaptHindsight> yeah, now we need a Live SD-Card installer
[16:13:13] <gonzo__> or sw on cassettee
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[16:26:16] <mozmck> It's not hard to put the .iso image on a usb thumbdrive, and it installs *much* faster from there as well.
[16:26:39] <archivist> you should be putting the code in on toggle switches like we used to do in the olden days
[16:27:38] <mozmck> Running from a usb stick also has the advantage of allowing you to save your settings, documents etc on the thumbdrive. You can run from the thumbdrive just like it was a hard drive except it is slower.
[16:28:33] <CaptHindsight> mozmck: yeah, not a problem with Linux, I was just thinking about win7 installs over win8
[16:29:10] <mozmck> Oh, I don't use those. XP is the latest I have and it is running under virtualbox on my linux host.
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[16:29:54] <mozmck> I don't think they want you to be able to un-install or re-install win$ though
[16:30:39] <mozmck> Isn't that the whole point of the new UEFI bios?
[16:30:45] <archivist> these days it comes on the hard disk in a partition
[16:31:29] <mozmck> Yes, and if the HD crashes you're supposed to buy a new laptop.
[16:32:43] <CaptHindsight> well it's not M$'s time or $ that gets wasted
[16:32:52] <mozmck> found a terminal called finalterm that looks promising.
[16:33:24] <archivist> large companies have a terrible attitude to the customers purse
[16:34:16] <CaptHindsight> it's really evil genius, have no real security, malware or virus protection and when your PC slows down it must be worn out so buy a new one
[16:34:24] <mozmck> ? they love the customers purse!
[16:34:34] <mozmck> They want everything in all of them!
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[16:35:26] <archivist> it is a shame so many users let them get away with it
[16:35:34] <CaptHindsight> I wish my CAD packages ran well on linux
[16:35:43] <mozmck> Mine do.
[16:35:59] <mozmck> but I don't use CAD much :)
[16:36:14] <mozmck> FreeCAD, Kicad, etc
[16:36:32] <Deejay> qcad :D
[16:36:40] <mozmck> that too
[16:37:25] <CaptHindsight> Cadence Allegro, Orcad, Pads, NX, Catia, SW, MasterCAM etc
[16:39:46] <CaptHindsight> most do run on virtualbox but without video accell
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[16:41:01] <CaptHindsight> or even wine
[16:42:36] <mozmck> We switched from Orcad to Kicad
[16:43:35] <mozmck> Did you enable Direct3D in the guest additions install? That and checking the 3D and 2D in the main VBox setup might help the videa accell?
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[16:46:26] <CaptHindsight> keeping all the pricey CAD packages happy is really a support nightmare, we have actually gone with multiple win7 installs on the workstations to keep them isolated
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[17:15:48] <JT-Shop> well splicing an extra SATA connector on the power supply seems to work
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[17:16:30] <Tom_itx> no reason it shouldn't
[17:17:42] <Tom_itx> i didn't get a chance to look at the updates you did yet
[17:17:55] <JT-Shop> it's been one thing after another trying to get the LinuxCNC desktop computer back up
[17:18:19] <JT-Shop> there might be another one since you downloaded
[17:19:16] <Tom_itx> does the finish pass add to the final depth or subtract from it?
[17:19:28] <Tom_itx> you should indicate that somehow
[17:20:02] <JT-Shop> the finish pass is at final depth
[17:20:37] <JT-Shop> for example if you have a total z of .250 and steps of .1 and final of .05 then there will be 3 passes
[17:20:50] <Tom_itx> right but what if i give it a z depth of .500 and a finish of .020?
[17:20:55] <JT-Shop> one at -.1 one at -.2 and one at -.25
[17:20:59] <Tom_itx> will it be .520?
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[17:21:10] <JT-Shop> no
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[17:21:31] <Tom_itx> do i enter a depth or a cut value there?
[17:21:40] <Tom_itx> ie .500 or .010?
[17:21:57] <JT-Shop> if you just give it a z depth of .5 and a finish of .02 then two cuts will be made one at -.48 and one at -.5
[17:22:05] <Tom_itx> that could somehow be clarified there imo
[17:22:20] <Tom_itx> yeah that's kinda what i figured
[17:22:21] <JT-Shop> lol it's clear to me
[17:22:25] <Tom_itx> i'm sure
[17:22:32] <Tom_itx> i'm playing devil's advocate
[17:22:32] <JT-Shop> did you look at the info tab?
[17:22:46] <Tom_itx> oh hell no :D
[17:22:47] <JT-Shop> I know and thanks
[17:24:01] <Tom_itx> you know.. if you reverse the order of those 2 and maybe call the Z final Z finish it may be more self explanatory
[17:24:24] <Tom_itx> so Z Depth is the _last_ entry
[17:24:44] <Tom_itx> something about mericans reading from left to right up to down :D
[17:27:01] <Tom_itx> then visually, Z Safe, Z Top, Z Finish, Z Depth are in order of depth
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[17:28:01] <jthornton> I can reverse the last two
[17:28:16] <Tom_itx> i write stuff all the time i never expect others to see or understand... i don't worry so much about anything then
[17:30:05] <jthornton> ok, download .4 http://gnipsel.com/files/g-code-generator/
[17:30:20] <jthornton> err .3
[17:30:48] <Tom_itx> it was .5 yesterday :)
[17:30:53] <Tom_itx> are we regressing?
[17:30:57] <jthornton> 1.5.3
[17:31:04] <jthornton> taking smaller steps
[17:31:05] <Tom_itx> oh
[17:31:07] <Tom_itx> heh
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[17:34:20] <Tom_itx> that is the damndest thing... it shows up here but not in linux
[17:34:26] <Tom_itx> if i enter the filename it's there
[17:34:36] <Tom_itx> but not in the dir list
[17:34:56] <jthornton> shows up for me on every computer I have
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[17:35:08] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[17:35:33] <jthornton> IchGuckLive, yes there is a README... now
[17:35:43] <IchGuckLive> thanks
[17:35:45] <Tom_itx> i closed ff and reopened it now it's there
[17:35:50] <Tom_itx> odd one for sure
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[17:35:54] <jthornton> http://gnipsel.com/files/g-code-generator/
[17:36:06] <jthornton> new link ^^^
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[17:38:07] <Tom_itx> oh, you don't have the 4 corners and center in the dialog working yet...
[17:38:15] <Tom_itx> left rear
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[17:38:37] <jthornton> right, not even sure I need that, what do you think?
[17:39:49] <Tom_itx> of course you do
[17:39:57] <Tom_itx> i always start from the right end :D
[17:40:07] <IchGuckLive> jthornton: what is DOC
[17:40:18] <jthornton> Depth Of Cut
[17:42:30] <Tom_itx> if you start from the left front it will throw the chips at you
[17:43:48] <jthornton> IchGuckLive, I can add tool tip text to the entry boxes but that might get annoying once you know how
[17:43:59] <Tom_itx> it doesn't make alot of sense to have x y 0 in the center but i'm sure someone would disagree
[17:44:37] <jthornton> lol I have to agree that someone would disagree for sure
[17:44:52] <Tom_itx> either rear corner i can see
[17:44:57] <Tom_itx> i seldom indicate off the front
[17:45:01] <jthornton> that would require quite a bit of coding to implement
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[17:45:35] <jthornton> I could see jogging to the approximate center and calling that X0 Y0 and wanting to face a part
[17:45:52] <IchGuckLive> jthornton: testing
[17:46:25] <Tom_itx> i see this as a tool to square blocks for first op
[17:47:03] <Tom_itx> but not everybody has cad cam and would see it alot differently
[17:47:10] <jthornton> did you notice the "*" indicating a required value?
[17:47:19] <Tom_itx> yes
[17:47:41] <Tom_itx> you may want to put a little space between the boxes so it stands out more
[17:47:57] <Tom_itx> | * | instead of |*|
[17:48:30] <Tom_itx> or have them blink in purple for us numb skulls
[17:48:52] <jthornton> lol
[17:49:09] <Tom_itx> or if you really wanna get fancy, show the dialog in red until it's satisfied then turn to green
[17:49:39] <jthornton> yea, that is fancy
[17:49:41] <cradek> graying out OK until preconditions are met is a usual way
[17:49:59] <cradek> aside from being really nonstandard behavior, depending on red/green color vision is always a bad idea
[17:50:07] <Tom_itx> i was exagerating a bit...
[17:50:27] <jthornton> what is it about 15% of males are red color blind
[17:50:34] <cradek> I've heard 10% - but yeah, lots
[17:50:51] <jthornton> so goes the memory too
[17:50:54] <cradek> red/green specifically (the colors of our traffic lights, duh)
[17:51:20] <jthornton> but they compensate by the position I'd think
[17:51:32] <cradek> sure, which works unless it's dark
[17:51:46] <Tom_itx> maybe that explains all these idiot drivers..
[17:51:58] <cradek> Tom_itx: oh no. way more than 10% of men are idiots.
[17:52:07] <Tom_itx> hah
[17:54:16] <Tom_itx> got all my limits moved over to the sserial card now
[17:54:29] <Tom_itx> starting on the pendant next
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[18:03:08] <jthornton> is zig zag even useful for facing?
[18:04:55] <Tom_itx> i would use it
[18:05:18] <cradek> always face from the right side so the chips go away from you
[18:05:21] <Tom_itx> that's generally what we did but we usually used the MPG
[18:05:37] <cradek> yeah nothing wrong with zigzag
[18:05:40] <Tom_itx> unless there were an awful lot of blocks to clean up
[18:06:01] <Tom_itx> cradek i mentioned starting from the right for the same reason
[18:06:16] <Tom_itx> err starting from the left for the wrong reason :)
[18:06:47] <jthornton> I guess the only thing bad about zig zag is you switch back and forth from climb to conventional
[18:07:14] <Tom_itx> i don't think that plays too much a part on a facing op
[18:07:26] <jthornton> IIRC conventional cutting wears the sides of the end mill faster due to the rubbing
[18:07:35] <Tom_itx> not too many mills will take a .250 cut
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[18:07:42] <Tom_itx> i've seen a few
[18:08:37] <Tom_itx> i try to climb as much as possible but don't really think about it when facing
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[19:28:09] <Guest46748> Hi Group. I've sucessfully retrofitted a Tree knee mill to linuxcnc with mesa boards, amc drives, and stock motors. I'm looking at a bed mill with more rpms and all around better machine. Its already been retrofit to mach3 with viper drives. Having used mach3 I really like having the encoders feed back to the controller. Is there a solution for getting encoder feedback to linuxcnc while keeping step/dir drives?
[19:29:00] <Guest46748> sorry thats not very clear. should be: having used mach3 I like how linuxcnc has the encoder feed back all the way to the controller rather than just to the drive
[19:31:46] <andypugh> Guest46748: The solution to this is typically to use the step rate from LinuxCNC to the drives as a velocity control (a LinuxCNC-end change) and to run a PID based on encoder position inside HAL. The LinuxCNC step-generator can output step rate (velocity-mode) rather than distance (position-mode)
[19:36:35] <skunkworks> andypugh, how is rt_preempt working?
[19:36:51] <andypugh> I haven't touched it since last night.
[19:37:00] <Guest46748> Hi Andy. Thanks for the reply. I think the drives require encoder feedback. Do I somehow slip the signal and feed it to linuxcnc also?
[19:37:02] <andypugh> I have moved on to the next thing :-)
[19:37:44] <andypugh> Guest46748: Yes, just take the feedback to both. There might even be a pass-through on the Viper cards.
[19:38:50] <Guest46748> Ok. Nice simple answer I can wrap my mind around. I'll check out the machine.
[19:40:27] <skunkworks> 3 amc drives off ebay might be cheaper ;)
[19:40:55] <skunkworks> *less hasle...)
[19:41:37] <Guest46748> skunkworks, i got amc drives from ebay for my last retrofit, i hate to take a working machine and pull it apart
[19:41:56] <skunkworks> no - I mean buy some more :)
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[19:48:52] <tjtr33> re heekscad heekscam, theres .debs for ubuntu here http://code.google.com/p/heekscnc/downloads
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[20:11:55] <jthornton> Tom_itx, I just did another update http://gnipsel.com/files/g-code-generator/
[20:12:51] <jdh> github
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[20:46:05] <Jymmm> USAF Band flash mob: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIoSga7tZPg
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[22:16:14] <Deejay> gn8
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[23:58:39] <andypugh> Night all
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