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[01:34:22] <Tom_itx> pcw_home, if i don't use the 7i84 analog as analog i can use them as gpio right?
[01:34:44] <Tom_itx> or are they analog only with that config?
[01:35:37] <pcw_home> They are both
[01:36:24] <Tom_itx> ok
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[01:39:46] <Jymmm> pcw_home: Have you stepped outside today/tonight?
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[01:51:42] <pcw_home> Yep, took the dog to the dog park
[01:53:49] <pcw_home> walking with the wind was OK, not so much the other way...
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[02:27:25] <MacGalempsy_> count another one here for mr stupid, couldnt figure out why the 7i77 wasnt powering up, and I had it plugged into the parallel port
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[03:34:03] <Tom_itx> pcw_home, do the is_output and is_opendrain modifiers apply to the 7I84 outputs?
[03:34:29] <Tom_itx> and invert_output
[03:37:28] <Tom_itx> mmm apparently not...
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[07:55:53] <Deejay> moin
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[10:25:07] <flughafen> hi
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[11:37:50] <MacGalempsy_> morning
[11:48:08] <archivist> moaning
[11:53:40] <MacGalempsy_> its that bad aye?
[11:54:28] <archivist> I was just testing here and a power supply expired with a bang
[11:55:36] <flughafen> hi archivist
[11:56:03] <archivist> it did not like the bench vibration from a stepper motor I was abusing
[11:57:07] * archivist sez allo
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[11:58:51] <MacGalempsy_> ouch
[11:58:56] <MacGalempsy_> any harm?
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[11:59:23] <archivist> to the psu yes, to the stepper drive thankfully no
[11:59:42] <archivist> but it was free issue, not something I had to pay for
[12:00:20] <MacGalempsy_> free is always good. what kind of torture did you perform?
[12:01:39] <archivist> was testing for mechanical resonance and missed steps, lots of noise and bench vibration
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[12:02:37] <archivist> for some applications steppers are not very good
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[12:03:47] <MacGalempsy_> well, my work shift has ended. time to go to bed. gn
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[14:38:58] <Jymmm> pcw_home: We're up to 33F now!!!
[14:47:14] <skunkworks> heat wave here!!!
[14:47:52] <Jymmm> skunkworks: ?
[14:48:30] <skunkworks> it is 10f here..
[14:48:54] <Jymmm> ouch
[14:50:03] <cradek> -3
[14:50:21] <skunkworks> yeck
[14:50:22] <cradek> and my car sat all weekend... but it started!
[14:50:36] <skunkworks> isn't current car tech nice?
[14:50:42] <cradek> yep it sure is
[14:51:04] <Jymmm> WX has been so weird the last 15 years or so... You'll need a parka and shorts all on the same day in a few years
[14:51:05] <cradek> IT AIN'T LIKE THE OLD DAYS WHEN YOU COULD ADJUST YOUR CARB YOURSELF
[14:51:46] <Jymmm> cradek: What's a carburator?
[14:52:11] <skunkworks> heh - there is a guy here that would rather have carbs.. I think he is crazy..
[14:52:14] <`Nerobro> Jymmm, a bread making machine
[14:52:15] <cradek> Jymmm: that doesn't exist, but carburetors do
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[14:53:29] <cradek> skunkworks: then he should get one!
[14:54:03] <skunkworks> he does.. his winter car is a 65ish ford falcon
[14:54:59] <cradek> cool, more power to him, he must like working on it
[14:57:03] <skunkworks> yes
[15:00:41] <CaptHindsight> I used to only own and drive 73 and older with no problems until they got to be too rare to want to have them out in snow
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[15:04:39] <CaptHindsight> lots of shops getting rid of VMC's and CNC lathes on ebay for under $7k if anyone is shopping
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[15:06:08] <jdh> all the ones I've seen for sale are in god-foresaken parts of the country like california, kansas, etc.
[15:06:43] <archivist> or over here 261344980360
[15:07:34] <archivist> seems to be the season for good iron
[15:07:37] <CaptHindsight> there were a few in Ohio, IL and the northeast
[15:08:23] <archivist> a series II 301028747050
[15:10:34] <CaptHindsight> 131063043436 Mazak VTC 16C but will probably end up closer to 10K
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[15:15:55] <CaptHindsight> 251298239674 Kitako 4-Spindle 2-Axis Lathe ?
[15:22:55] <CaptHindsight> 131063036021 HARDINGE QUEST 51
[15:23:18] <archivist> CaptHindsight, the ultimate would be the Wickman multi spindles which are now in cnc form too
[15:25:17] <CaptHindsight> archivist:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpI3ydcqEkQ
[15:25:48] <CaptHindsight> archivist: I can't tell if the Kitako operates similar from the pics
[15:26:06] <archivist> it is difficult to see I agree
[15:27:13] <archivist> there is an interesting beast on youtube that is center spindle and turns both ends at the same time
[15:31:00] <CaptHindsight> 370729400325 never heard of JONES & LAMSON, but it looks like a lot of machine for $2950
[15:38:43] <archivist> both ends
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjOfNrYKaI4
[15:40:24] <CaptHindsight> I missed one similar that was only a few years old, dead and only ~$2K
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[16:04:27] <jdh> anyone ever seen one of the chinese 3020 routers in person? Could they do reasonable PC board milling?
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[16:27:22] <CaptHindsight> jdh:
http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/cnc-router sells similar...
[16:28:05] <CaptHindsight> they are all hit or miss for QC, he travels back to China 4 times a year to review quality with the suppliers
[16:28:13] <jdh> yeah, his smallest is bigger than that.
[16:28:46] <CaptHindsight> it all depends on which box of parts makes yours
[16:29:22] <CaptHindsight> it's like US auto manufacturing in the 70's, you didn't want a Monday or Friday made car
[16:30:11] <gonzo_> or the UK car indusrty of the same time. You didn't want ANY car
[16:31:17] <jdh> that's still true.
[16:31:55] <CaptHindsight> I've been to AutomationTechnologies and he's let me sort through a bin to find the parts I wanted
[16:33:03] <CaptHindsight> bearings without detents, straight rails etc etc
[16:33:14] <archivist> Lucas used to get the blame for uk cars electrics problems
http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=returns
[16:35:11] <archivist> but if you were plugged into a machine all day, would you produce good work
http://www.collection.archivist.info/showresult.php?prog=1&srcprog=searchv13.php&srcdata=title&Type=PS&Accn_no=982&subject=6243
[16:35:23] <CaptHindsight> archivist: are they all made in China now? :)
[16:36:02] <archivist> probably
[16:36:42] <archivist> when they knocked the factory down I got stuff out the technical library, books and slides
[16:37:45] <CaptHindsight> there was a TopGear on one of those factories a few years ago, still had some incomplete cars inside
[16:38:24] <archivist> that was the BL factory
[16:38:49] <archivist> I did go there once
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[17:49:45] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
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[17:54:13] <flughafen> morgen
[17:54:28] <IchGuckLive> servus
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[17:57:12] <flughafen> everything gut by euch
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[18:01:12] <IchGuckLive> all clear beside toothache
[18:01:23] <jdh> I have pliers.
[18:01:25] <flughafen> that sucks, you should go to the zahnartz
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[18:48:23] <jthornton> Tom_itx, an update to the G code generator
http://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/files/mill.zip
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[19:06:44] <IchGuckLive> jthornton: is there a readme about the g-code gewnerator projekt
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[19:16:29] <andypugh> pcw_home: My 8i20 is acting funny, have you any suggestions what this pattern of flashes means?
http://youtu.be/-zZh4aNXmF8
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[19:18:13] <pcw_home> Is it powered by 5V cable power or 12/24V on the green connector?
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[19:22:14] * flughafen just finished building a 37 axis cnc machine
[19:22:20] <tjtr33> ist nicht blinkenleuchts, ist "close encounters"
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[19:24:38] <andypugh> Cable power from a 7i76 from a 7i80, with the 7i80 set to supply cable power, and the 7i76 with a 12V field power.
[19:25:08] <pcw_home> Because is looks like either insufficient power (likely with 5V cable power running the 8I20)
[19:25:10] <pcw_home> or a power fault on the isolated side
[19:25:11] <pcw_home> (maybe a gate power short so as soon as the gate power
[19:25:13] <pcw_home> supply starts it pulls down the 5V on the input side)
[19:26:26] <pcw_home> I would run the 8I20 with the 12V on TB1 (W2 down)
[19:26:51] <andypugh> OK
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[19:32:48] <andypugh> Yes, that seems like it was the problem.
[19:34:33] <pcw_home> The 8I20 power is marginal when run from 5V cable power (it has to be 5V +- 5%)
[19:34:57] <pcw_home> (well +10% -5%)
[19:35:27] <pcw_home> about 350 mA
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[19:40:35] <micges> andypugh: be carefull, nobody tested that setup before :)
[19:41:51] <andypugh> It's working
[19:42:17] <micges> just like that?
[19:43:40] <Tom_itx> pcw_home, do the is_output and is_opendrain invert_output modifiers apply to the 7I84 outputs?
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[19:52:11] <pcw_home> No, they are not like GPIO (and are sourcing outputs only)
[19:53:24] <pcw_home> Makes you wish the HAL parser had at least a NOT function built in
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[19:55:18] <pcw_home> Some of the newer NCV series chips have the ability to be sourcing,sinking and push-pull all via setup commands
[19:55:48] <andypugh> micges: Yeah :-)
[19:57:16] <micges> andypugh: uber cool!
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[19:57:37] <andypugh> Though I think I just killed my bench PSU :-(
[19:57:51] <jdh> it's always something.
[19:58:15] <andypugh> It was a bit feeble anyway, gives me a reason to build a 10A 100V one
[19:58:48] <jdh> build one that goes to 11.
[19:58:48] <Jymmm> andypugh microwave xfmrs =)
[19:59:04] <Jymmm> andypugh: PS/welder =)
[19:59:38] <Jymmm> andypugh: For those "problem" smt components
[19:59:49] <andypugh> I have a 10A variable DC-DC converter:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/10A-DC-DC-600W-10-60V-to-12-80V-Boost-Converter-Step-up-Module-Power-Supply-/310705571577
[20:00:23] <Jymmm> you want switching?
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[20:02:42] <Jymmm> I always thought it be cool to have a binary xfmr made for a PS
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[20:07:35] <andypugh> If you mean what I think you mean, I almost have one
[20:08:33] <andypugh> It has 24V, 2 x12V, 3 x 5V, 3 x 2V + 2 X 1V (or some similar arrangement)
[20:10:37] <Jymmm> Secondaries of 1 2 4 8 16 32 volt that you just switch in/out as needed. Using greycode
[20:11:32] <Jymmm> ...64
[20:12:27] <jthornton> Tom_itx, another update to the G code generator
http://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/files/mill.zip
[20:12:39] <jthornton> final depth is now working
[20:15:50] <Jymmm> andypugh: 50 of these? lol
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Agilent-HP-Model-6116A-Precision-DC-Power-Supply-0-100V-0-2A-/251375216259?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a87216683
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[20:16:27] <kengu> is this a good way to support the dust collector hosehttp://www.woodweb.com/knowledge_base_images/zp/supporting_the_dust_collection_hose_3.JPG ?
[20:16:30] <Jymmm> andypugh: Oh man, perfect except for the $$$
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Agilent-HP-6675A-Power-Supply-120V-18A-2000W-/310794932707?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item485cd251e3
[20:17:40] <andypugh> Yes, that is a little outside my budget.
[20:20:46] <Jymmm> andypugh:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1000-W-Agilent-Hp-6030A-SYSTEM-AUTORANGING-DC-POWER-SUPPLY-0-200-V-0-17-A-/190972444263?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c76d83e67
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[20:21:16] <Jymmm> make offer
[20:21:37] <Jymmm> oh, it's in US, nm
[20:23:41] <jdh> you could toast a lot of stuff with taht.
[20:26:02] <Jymmm> lol
[20:27:03] <jdh> little 3 amp, 0-30vdc bench supply. I can fry things well enough with it.
[20:28:00] <Jymmm> Mine is 32A @ 5-15V
[20:28:12] <ReadError> i use a converted ATX
[20:28:21] <ReadError> tons of power on the 12v rail
[20:28:40] <Jymmm> noisey as hell
[20:28:40] <jdh> I've been rebuilding some 24vdc motors, it has been useful for that.
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[20:29:51] <jdh> some of the stator housings are keyed so they can't adjust, some aren't.
[20:30:25] <jdh> on the unkeyed ones, I can tweak them between 0.7-1.5Amps and 600-850RPM
[20:38:02] <jdh> anyone know where to obtain replacement brushes 1/8x3/8x1/2"?
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[20:45:31] <Tom_itx> jthornton, i'll grab it after bit
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[20:52:45] <Tom_itx> i'm not seeing where you added final depth
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[21:39:58] <andypugh> micges:
http://youtu.be/2HdikHRXnAs
[21:41:54] <micges> that's great!
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[21:44:56] <micges> PCW:
http://youtu.be/2HdikHRXnAs
[21:47:19] <PCW> Looks promising!
[21:47:21] <PCW> My desktop has occasional long latencies so eventually fails
[21:48:13] <micges> I hope you'll get better results with better mb
[21:48:43] <PCW> Just tried but unfortunately the Preemt_RT kernel does not work with whatever Ethernet chip is on a Intel D525 MB
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[21:49:17] <cradek> there's special goo for the rtl8xxx
[21:49:57] <PCW> Yeah a remember it needed something
[21:50:49] <PCW> I remember
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[22:12:03] <Deejay> gn8
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[22:57:04] <jthornton> Tom_itx, it is an entry on the setup page
[22:59:08] <jthornton> download it again and tell me what version you have now
[23:03:02] <Tom_itx> whichever ver you just posted
[23:03:55] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: I think he's saying he's uploaded TWO different files.
[23:04:02] <Tom_itx> 1.3
[23:04:15] <Tom_itx> but he only gave me one link
[23:04:37] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Yep, one link, two different files. One replaced the other
[23:05:05] <Tom_itx> and as i said, i have the most recent
[23:06:19] <Tom_itx> which will also change before the night is over :D
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[23:08:19] <Tom_itx> i still don't see it on the setup page. Tool#, Tool Diameter, RPM, Stepover %, Feed, DOC, Z Safe, Z top, Depth
[23:08:40] <jthornton> 1.5 is what I "just" uploaded
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[23:08:56] <jthornton> 1.4 was the latest up to a few minutes ago
[23:09:20] <jthornton> same link, I just overwrite the file
[23:09:35] <jthornton> might be a cashing problem???
[23:10:27] <Tom_itx> i deleted the whole directory and just downloaded the mill.zip
[23:10:32] <Tom_itx> 1.3
[23:11:19] <jthornton> odd, let me check what I'm doing wrong
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[23:13:45] <jthornton> 1.5 is what is on the web site
[23:14:18] <Jymmm> HAHA Tom_itx
[23:14:39] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Thats what you get for being so ambiguous!
[23:15:03] <Jymmm> But, jthornton should include a version number in the file name too
[23:15:07] <jthornton> Jymmm, are you on a linux box:?
[23:15:22] <Jymmm> jthornton: I can be
[23:15:25] <Tom_itx> i cleared the cache then downloaded it
[23:15:31] <Tom_itx> still 1.3
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[23:16:10] <jthornton> Jymmm, download it and see what you get
[23:16:18] <Jymmm> link?
[23:16:22] <jthornton> http://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/files/mill.zip
[23:16:31] <Jymmm> and whats the md5 or sha1 ?
[23:16:46] <jthornton> dunno how to do that
[23:16:57] <jthornton> it's just a python file
[23:17:25] <Jymmm> shasum filename
[23:18:30] <jthornton> 8518ee1139e2e24326acf75349b36a2e15f60201 mill.zip
[23:18:31] <Jymmm> $ shasum .bashrc
[23:18:31] <Jymmm> 7886687a7002a75f1379f86f7437498d66c2cc73 .bashrc
[23:18:45] <Tom_itx> rename it mill_15.zip and see if it's my cache
[23:19:06] <jthornton> ok
[23:19:58] <jthornton> http://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/files/mill1.5.zip
[23:20:15] <Jymmm> $ shasum mill.zip
[23:20:16] <Jymmm> 0b2376645a83fe1efbeb59d755e35470c6c0a5bf mill.zip
[23:20:55] <Jymmm> 8518ee1139e2e24326acf75349b36a2e15f60201 mill1.5.zip
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[23:21:05] <Jymmm> they are different files
[23:21:25] <jthornton> 8518ee1139e2e24326acf75349b36a2e15f60201 mill1.5.zip
[23:21:43] <Tom_itx> now i got 1.5
[23:21:47] <jthornton> silly webhost
[23:22:02] <Jymmm> jthornton: nothign to do with them, it's all you baby!
[23:22:16] <jthornton> hows that?
[23:22:24] <Jymmm> jthornton: You didn't change the filename
[23:22:44] <Jymmm> browsers cache all that stuff.
[23:22:56] <jthornton> then it ain't me it is the browser
[23:23:06] <Jymmm> jthornton: The easiest thing to do is just use a timestamp for versioning
[23:23:19] <jthornton> how do you do that
[23:23:26] <Tom_itx> so what good is it to clear the history if it doesn't work?
[23:23:38] <jthornton> exactly my thought
[23:23:43] <Jymmm> jthornton: mill_2013-12-09-1523.zip
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[23:24:27] <jthornton> then I have to change the link and build the html then upload all that what a PIA!
[23:24:38] <Jymmm> jthornton: symlink
[23:25:11] <Jymmm> jthornton: Yes, that's the point. if your update borks things, you can go to the previous one
[23:26:12] <Jymmm> You could just link to a directory instead, then upload the files with timestamps there
[23:26:25] <Jymmm> then you wouldn't have to update the thml
[23:26:29] <Jymmm> html*
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[23:27:28] <jthornton> how do you link to a directory?
[23:27:43] <Jymmm> http://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/files/
[23:27:58] <Jymmm> but you have directory listing disabled on the server it appears.
[23:28:06] <jthornton> Forbidden
[23:28:07] <jthornton> You don't have permission to access /linuxcnc/files/ on this server.
[23:28:12] <Jymmm> but you have directory listing disabled on the server it appears.
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[23:29:35] <jthornton> is that something you can enable by directory?
[23:29:53] <Jymmm> sure
[23:30:24] <jthornton> let me ask them how to do it
[23:30:37] <Tom_itx> i do it on mine but mine is local
[23:30:59] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/avr/
[23:31:01] <Jymmm> http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/DirectoryListings
[23:31:16] <Tom_itx> chmod
[23:31:51] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: that too
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[23:31:58] <jthornton> I'm talking to Bhavya
[23:32:06] <Jymmm> both actually in some cases
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[23:41:12] <jthornton> http://gnipsel.com/files/
[23:41:33] <Jymmm> yep
[23:42:06] <jthornton> ok, we are making progress now
[23:42:07] <jthornton> thanks
[23:42:11] <Jymmm> =)
[23:42:46] <Jymmm> jthornton: I know it seems a pain to add versioning to the file name, but saves a LOT of headaches
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[23:43:33] <Jymmm> jthornton: Doing YYYY-MM-DD-HHMMwill list in order too
[23:43:43] <Jymmm> HHMM
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[23:44:18] * jthornton goes back to the shop for a while
[23:44:30] <jthornton> Tom_itx, let me know when you test it
[23:44:39] * jthornton goes to look for a motherboard now
[23:44:53] <Jymmm> jthornton: the $30 ones?
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[23:47:22] <Tom_itx> mb?
[23:50:41] <Tom_itx> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Desktop-Board-D510MO-Atom-Processor-1GB-RAM-included-D510-Dual-Core-A-/281208756189
[23:51:38] <JT-Shop> I have a 510 with a dead parallel port that I could use
[23:51:56] <JT-Shop> here is an Asus A7A266 wonder what it is
[23:54:52] <JT-Shop> oh nice here is an Asus E45M1-M PRO NIB
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[23:59:45] <JT-Shop> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLRyYETnoIE