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[02:26:35] <jesseg> howdy Folks
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[03:43:51] <NickParker> Ok I only get these two warnings when I generate my programming file now: http://pastebin.com/bK5QiG8d
[03:44:20] <NickParker> The first one sounds kind of ominous and prone to bricking my card though. do you know why these would come up pcw_home?
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[03:55:39] <uw> HOWDY JESSEG
[03:56:53] <jesseg> Hi there uw
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[04:00:30] <uw> hello
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[04:05:42] <NickParker> ok seems I don't brick it anymore, but now I'm turning all my pins into IOports for some reason
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[04:33:58] <WalterN_bed> CaptHindsight: you ever hear of SLS with an amorphous metal?
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[04:44:34] <CaptHindsight> WalterN_bed: http://www.macrumors.com/2013/07/17/apple-liquidmetal-collaboration-awarded-patent-on-process-for-mass-production-of-amorphous-metals/
[04:46:07] <WalterN_bed> CaptHindsight: I'm thinking more generic, rapid prototyping style
[04:47:12] <WalterN_bed> just wondering if you have heard of it before, or if there is a reason nobody else seems to be doing it
[04:48:36] <CaptHindsight> patents
[04:48:53] <WalterN_bed> ..?
[04:50:17] <CaptHindsight> the current system lets the holders sit on them, even if they don't make anything with them, so control has priority over the advancement of tech and science
[04:55:39] <WalterN_bed> CaptHindsight: think its worth perusing?
[04:57:43] <WalterN_bed> I would think amorphous metal would be a very desirable thing, esp. if it could be SLS'd into parts
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[09:06:07] <justanotheruser> What is the best CNC machine under $500?
[09:06:17] <ReadError> lol
[09:06:36] <ReadError> wont happen
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[09:07:59] <justanotheruser> What is the best CNC machine under $1000?
[09:09:57] <ReadError> idk do some research and figure out what you need
[09:11:15] <ReadError> i reprap could be considered a cnc machine
[09:14:32] <archivist> make you machine out of scrap, retrofit a machine
[09:15:48] <archivist> proof scrap can be used http://www.archivist.info/cnc/stage7/
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[09:19:23] <archivist> best can be a faulty cnc off ebay that you retrofit with linuxcnc
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[09:26:50] <Loetmichel> justanotheruser: a CNC mill (assumming you meant a mill) NEW for under 1000 eur is either a pile of garbage or a "[incomplete] materials set to build a CNC mill/router".
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[09:29:38] <archivist> in here CNC needs qualifying with what you are intending to make because there are so many forms
[09:33:06] <Loetmichel> archivist: for a cnc Mill/router one can safely assume that 1000 eur (and $1000 for sure) will get youe either a pile of crap or an inclompete set of parts when bought new.
[09:33:17] <Loetmichel> regardless of intended use
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[09:36:55] <archivist> Loetmichel, I do believe I am under that cost some of this being made on it http://gears.archivist.info/
[09:39:42] <archivist> the source lathe cost nothing, the XY £10 another £20 for metal from scrap yard, steppers and drivers were the real cost
[09:40:54] <archivist> even one of the rotaries was "obtained"
[09:41:12] <archivist> loaned actually but I still have it
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[09:45:47] <Loetmichel> archivist: i said : NEQ
[09:45:49] <Loetmichel> NEW
[09:48:36] <archivist> use never mentioned new :)
[09:48:40] <archivist> user
[09:53:26] <Loetmichel> archivist: "[10:06] <justanotheruser> What is the best CNC machine under $500?" i read as "machine series" because on single used pieces you cant say "this type is best" because it depends on the actual State of the maschine (i.e younger, older, heavy use, light use, etc)
[09:54:09] <archivist> is this the 5 minute argument or the full half hour
[09:54:55] <Loetmichel> *grmbl* ... just installed xubuntu 13.10 on a gaming machine... no sound indicator/no sound/no sound buttons in the preferences window...
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[09:56:09] <Loetmichel> lets not argument about it. its not worth it, user seems to be a cheapskate anyway ;-)
[09:56:37] <archivist> hey I am a cheapskate!
[09:57:46] <toastyde2th> man
[09:57:55] <toastyde2th> my old work had a riiiiidiculous lathe they got for nearly free
[09:58:19] <toastyde2th> it would have been perfect for emc
[09:58:27] <toastyde2th> they got the original control
[09:58:30] <toastyde2th> ...from the late 50s
[09:58:38] <toastyde2th> back when it was just "NC", not "CNC"
[09:59:10] <toastyde2th> vacuum tubes and a bunch of cabinets
[09:59:36] <toastyde2th> thing was ridiculous and had the highest positional repeatability of any machine i've ever worked on
[09:59:44] <toastyde2th> it was repeatable to something like two millionths of an inch
[09:59:57] <toastyde2th> but the ballscrews were either 4" or 5" in diameter
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[10:01:08] <toastyde2th> it swung something like 30" and had 20" or so of Z travel
[10:01:09] <justanotheruser> Loetmichel: no, you were right, I meant a mill
[10:01:47] <toastyde2th> they put some dipshit G&L control on it though, which wasn't even a machine tool control
[10:02:25] <Loetmichel> justanotheruser: the electronics and small steppers for a 3 axis cnc router costs about 200-500 eur alone
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[10:02:58] <Loetmichel> so you have nothing to less remaining for your mechnanics. -> wont happen
[10:03:46] <toastyde2th> the only real chance you have is an older, larger lathe with a blown control
[10:04:14] <toastyde2th> sometimes they'll go for less than scrap just to get them out of the shop
[10:05:18] <toastyde2th> other downside is you have to have the space for an unenclosed, slightly large lathe
[10:05:39] <archivist> or mill
[10:07:09] <Loetmichel> toastyde2th: AND the load capacity on the floor if it isnt at ground level ;-)
[10:07:22] <toastyde2th> yeah if it's not on ground level you're not fitting an old machine period
[10:07:31] <toastyde2th> they weigh so much more than most equivalently sized things
[10:08:13] <toastyde2th> we had an OKK horizontal mill from either the super early 70s or late 60s, 20" cube envelope
[10:08:21] <toastyde2th> it was like 60k lbs
[10:08:38] <toastyde2th> just this massive thing for only 20" of workspace
[10:09:14] <toastyde2th> never really complained much about heavy facemilling though, I really liked it
[10:09:20] <toastyde2th> nobody else did because no enclosure
[10:09:33] <toastyde2th> but that made it way easy to set up
[10:10:02] <archivist> enclosures make for difficult to use
[10:10:24] <toastyde2th> esp for small run shit where you're making like... two parts
[10:10:33] <toastyde2th> enclosures are nice when you have to make 400 of something
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[10:11:15] <toastyde2th> that thing did throw coolant goddamn everywhere, we should have hung a plastic curtain or something
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[10:11:28] <toastyde2th> it was like a small lake
[10:12:00] <toastyde2th> we also had a really nice manual lathe that was imported, i forget the brand
[10:12:18] <toastyde2th> but it was based off something like a late model leblond pattern, 20"x80"
[10:12:30] <toastyde2th> wish i had that thing
[10:12:35] <toastyde2th> it ran so, so quiet
[10:12:40] <toastyde2th> lots of power
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[11:00:09] <archivist> time to open a parcel, sliding head spindle
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[12:15:13] <jthornton> I usually only make one part but sometimes get to make two
[12:19:30] <jthornton> looks like the snow is over with and only a tad of sleet/snow for Sunday
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[13:48:29] <awallin_> hi all, anyone around interested in the cutting-simulation discussions on the list?
[13:55:54] <archivist> lots of us want it :)
[13:56:37] <jthornton> lol, yep
[13:56:50] <archivist> my comment seemed to be ignored in that thread
[13:59:39] <awallin_> archivist: and your point was?
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[14:00:13] <archivist> add your stuff to vismach
[14:01:04] <awallin_> ok.. can vismach be made to run faster than 'real-time' i.e. programmed g-code speed?
[14:01:18] <archivist> then all machine types become possible not just 3 axis mills
[14:02:04] <awallin_> for big g-code programs its important to simulate them faster than it takes to run them
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[14:03:06] <archivist> I suppose that means vismach has to move to a sensible compiled language rather than interpreted
[14:03:42] <awallin_> ? not sure ?, I thought it was driven more or less from AXIS, which runs the g-code as if there was a real machine attached
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[14:04:19] <archivist> yes but its still python
[14:04:48] <awallin_> sure, the heavy lifting in terms of cutting-simulation and maybe 3D view need to be fast
[14:06:39] <archivist> it would also allow the users to see fixture problems too
[14:07:49] <awallin_> one problem is that I think the link between AXIS/linuxcnc and vismach is just joint positions, i.e. joint positions are sampled at some (servo) rate, and sent over to vismach. for fast simulation we need to deal with higher level primitives, i.e. complete G1 G2 G3 moves
[14:09:44] <archivist> if you are at the sampled periods would that also speed up the work, not bothering with the intermediate positions
[14:10:02] <archivist> sort of good enough
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[14:15:22] <archivist> because the machine is modelled in vismach with the addition of the fixtures, material and tool shapes we could have an open source http://www.cgtech.co.uk/
[14:16:00] <jthornton> cool
[14:16:21] <archivist> that my dream :)
[14:17:18] <awallin_> I still think the commands to the cut-sim need to be complete G-code moves, not sampled positions
[14:17:44] <archivist> I must admit to winding up a vericut sales droid the other week
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[14:18:53] <archivist> I can see why you think that too
[14:19:14] <Tom_itx> it is not what you programmed otherwise
[14:19:17] <archivist> but it adds a lot of processing
[14:20:01] <awallin_> well sampled positions adds a lot of processing in the cutsim engine
[14:20:21] <archivist> well as vismach is following what axis is it is the programmed moves
[14:20:51] <archivist> well as vismach is following what axis is, it is the programmed moves
[14:21:40] <Tom_itx> http://www.camsoftcorp.com/prod08.asp
[14:21:46] <Tom_itx> we used to use that
[14:22:25] <Tom_itx> not nearly free though
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[14:27:11] <Tom_itx> 11 F
[14:27:16] * Tom_itx stokes the fire
[14:28:51] * jthornton hasn't been out to see if a fire is still going yet
[14:29:51] <jdh> 70F and a little rain.
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[14:39:28] <Tom_itx> but... no white stuff to plough
[14:41:10] <kengu> what is the name or term for dustshoe as I cannot find any on ebay
[14:41:15] <jdh> hard to go biking in the snow.
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[14:49:36] <Tom_itx> kengu, you mean a way cover or bellows?
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[14:50:05] <Tom_itx> http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=way+cover&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l3201&_nkw=way+cover&_sacat=0
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[15:18:56] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[15:26:02] <CaptHindsight> what's the best way cover for under $100? :)
[15:27:58] <ReadError> whats the best hamburger for under a dollar
[15:28:45] <CaptHindsight> in the present day or throughout time?
[15:28:54] <IchGuckLive> CaptHindsight: grass is always a good thing
[15:30:41] <CaptHindsight> IchGuckLive: plus they have a Tiki vibe http://www.tikiescapes.com/shop/images/Square%20Palm%20Leaf%20Sewn%20Thatch%20Cover_12.jpg
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[15:33:59] <CaptHindsight> I'm really happy that the automotive ECU makers don't also make machine controllers
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[15:38:58] <Tom_itx> CaptHindsight would they crap out after 5 yrs service?
[15:40:30] <IchGuckLive> CaptHindsight: depends on where the waxy is it coudt be the party place for the hole town
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[15:56:51] <CaptHindsight> http://oi39.tinypic.com/xofndu.jpg ECU stepper motor driver without any over current protection
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[16:14:55] <Jymmm> CaptHindsight: Mmmmm crunchy =)
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[18:26:25] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
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[18:46:42] <jesseg> Mornin' IchGuckLive
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[18:47:38] <IchGuckLive> hiu
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[22:03:37] <Deejay> gn8
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[22:06:32] <kengu> Tom_itx: chip guard or likes
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[22:24:43] <mrsun_> anyone here using Aspire ? =)
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[22:33:19] <jdh> I have played with aspire
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[22:35:05] <andypugh> Lubuntu installer, which language is English
[22:35:08] <andypugh> http://imagebin.org/281099
[22:37:03] <Tom_itx> hope you got better eyes than me
[22:38:09] <andypugh> I don't think eyes help, the font is 4 pixels high (for capitals, 3 for lower case)
[22:38:28] <Tom_itx> who's idea was that?
[22:39:11] <andypugh> I think I blame Intel
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[22:45:05] <Tom_itx> hope you know the magic way thru the install to fix it
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[22:51:17] <andypugh> Yeah, you need to blunder through, then open a terminal window, then guess your way to setting the terminal window to 128 point fonts, then do this: http://lower-order.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/font-size-in-lightdm.html
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[22:58:47] <Tom_itx> gonna rewire the control this evening i think
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[23:16:48] <CaptHindsight> graphical installs are for lewsers anyway :)
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