#linuxcnc | Logs for 2013-12-06

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[00:00:46] <Jymmm> WalterN: Yes, but ppl think/use them for much of the time is "relative" not absolute.
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[00:06:48] <andypugh> Getting the new screw to fit was a bit of a game: http://www.cnczone.com/forums/vertical_mill_lathe_project_log/109301-harrison_universal_miller_conversion-3.html#post1393132
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[00:31:21] <andypugh> Night all
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[06:00:34] <jesseg> Howdy Folks.
[06:00:38] <jesseg> So here's a weird one for ya
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[06:01:22] <jesseg> Our LinuxCNC live disk CD (whereof which we had set up LinuxCNC as 4 axis inch mode)
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[06:01:47] <jesseg> Anyway, Slic3r of course puts stuff out in mm
[06:02:14] <jesseg> and LinuxCNC was essentially working, EXCEPT it was moving a whole inch for each mm requested on the A axis...
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[06:16:53] <CaptHindsight> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/config/ini_config.html#_the_ini_file_components
[06:17:02] <CaptHindsight> look up units
[06:17:29] <CaptHindsight> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/2.4/html/config_ini_config.html
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[06:21:50] <jesseg> Thanks Cap'n
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[06:23:37] <jesseg> We have LINEAR_UNITS = inch
[06:23:49] <jesseg> and
[06:23:50] <jesseg> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/config/ini_config.html#_the_ini_file_components
[06:23:53] <jesseg> oops wrong paste
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[06:23:56] <jesseg> [AXIS_3]
[06:23:57] <jesseg> TYPE = LINEAR
[06:27:27] <jesseg> X, Y, and Z are all handled correctly.
[06:28:07] <jesseg> But I suppose Slic3r could be changing the unit type for just the A axis
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[06:42:07] <jesseg> or maybe slicer set setting the unit for XYZ but NOT for A, so A is being left at the default of inches
[06:42:21] <jesseg> our plan is to try setting up LinuxCNC in mm mode and see if that works better
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[07:55:18] <Deejay> moin
[08:09:10] <RyanS> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoFSz2LGgkM&feature=youtu.be seems like a good method, although I would have to have belt drive at the headstock end
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[09:25:07] <dchevak> Hi there
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[09:26:11] <dchevak> well I have a 14x40 wilton lathe and like to convert it to cnc
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[09:27:43] <dchevak> I have been googling manual to cnc conversion but most are on smaller lathes would like some help with stepper motor size and ball screw type and size ?
[09:29:04] <archivist_herron> you may be better off thinking about servo drives on a larger lathe
[09:29:28] <dchevak> if anyone know of a site that shows how to would be great I seen a post before on a 14x40 lathe where he added the stepper motors but was also able to use it manualy for 1 offs that is more on the line of what I want
[09:30:57] <archivist_herron> some add hand driven encoders for hand use
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[09:33:00] <archivist_herron> some examples http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Case_Studies
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[09:46:38] <RyanS> I really don't get carbide tools on hobby lathes, HSS produces a better result
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[09:47:03] <lv-esad> hi there
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[09:47:41] <archivist_herron> RyanS, depends, one has to use carbide correctly
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[09:50:39] <RyanS> hmm but requires more spindle power because it can't hold as sharp edge as HSS ... Something to do with the structure of carbide
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[10:29:53] <mrsun_> carbide endmills atleast feels sharp as hell =)
[10:30:00] <mrsun_> insert tooling tho has quite dull edges =)
[10:30:12] <mrsun_> ahh you are talking about lathes =)
[10:30:33] <mrsun_> RyanS, but there are insert tooling that is quite sharp also =) the ones made for alu etc for example =)
[10:30:50] <archivist_herron> you can get ground edge carbide inserts for finish turning on lathes
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[10:34:13] <RyanS> I don't know I kind of like the idea of grinding any shape you want by having spare HSS bits
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[10:39:29] <Loetmichel> harhar: storm "xaver" flodding the city: definetly no fucks given: https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1452124_10152491759674988_80074810_n.jpg
[10:50:05] <TekniQue> hah
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[12:35:51] * jthornton wonders why the propane tank runs empty after the snow storm
[12:37:57] <Tom_itx> bit chilly?
[12:38:19] <Tom_itx> 16░ F here
[12:38:48] <jthornton> its 25 F here and 58 F in the house
[12:39:05] <Tom_itx> time to fire up the log splitter
[12:39:13] <jthornton> just waiting for the propane line to clear from the big tank
[12:39:26] <Tom_itx> froze?
[12:39:30] <jthornton> I just had to switch tanks
[12:39:35] <Tom_itx> ahh
[12:40:08] <jthornton> have to cycle the heater a few times to purge the line of air
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[12:44:09] <jthornton> Houston we have ignition
[12:44:22] <Tom_itx> no wood burners in either place?
[12:44:35] <jthornton> I normally don't let the tanks run empty but I want to change the gauge on the 300 gallon tank
[12:44:56] <jthornton> no wood burners in the house
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[12:48:17] <ries> Gents, out of curiocity, if you would mill a ring (the one you put on your finger) with some text and all. What sort of resolution should one think of (in MM) like 1/100 mm or 1/1000 ?
[12:50:01] <jthornton> are you engraving a paragraph on the ring?
[12:50:18] <Tom_itx> heh
[12:50:31] <ries> jthornton: or for making insets... I am not doing it, I am just wondering what to think of...
[12:51:06] <jthornton> 0.01mm is pretty small at 0.0004"
[12:51:53] <ries> that's like 10um, I remember I bought milar for my ESL's that was 10um, pretty thin stuff...
[12:52:01] <ries> Just wondering..
[12:53:00] <dgarr> engrave text on cylinder: http://woodturning.pastperfect-online.com/36471cgi/mweb.exe?request=image&hex=2008DG102-5.JPG
[12:53:52] <jthornton> nice
[12:55:04] <ries> that's indeed nice..
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[13:02:59] <dgarr> xzc machine x:15000cts/in,z:56000cts/in,c:20 cts/deg
[13:06:40] <dgarr> (the x&z resolutions are much higher than needed for this size)
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[13:21:38] <archivist_herron> the rpm of the cutter can/should be taken into account when deciding what resolution you are getting
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[13:41:32] <Tom_itx> how do you calculate the surface speed for an engraving cutter since it comes to a point?
[13:42:04] <Tom_itx> the diameter at the material plane?
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[14:22:22] <JT-Shop> nothing is moving today in swamp east Missouri
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[14:23:29] <JT-Shop> just had to rescue my wife, she didn't make it far
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[17:44:02] <archivist> bit quiet for a Friday.....
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[17:56:18] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
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[18:06:41] <Tasab> hi all
[18:07:37] <Tasab> who can hlp how to change from language to language (keyboard shortcut) debian ver - tks
[18:08:19] <IchGuckLive> for linuxcnc
[18:08:29] <IchGuckLive> what woudt you like to change
[18:09:31] <Tasab> i installed 2 langs en and fr , would like the keyboard shortcut - tks
[18:09:52] <ReadError> maybe he just searched for linux and found this
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[18:11:54] <IchGuckLive> we use ubuntu as a distro but you can change the shortcuts under the system language
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[18:13:25] <IchGuckLive> also in the System Entrys Keyboardshortcuts as ubuntu got this
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[18:35:16] <ju-emb> IchGuckLive: It's friday so you come early out of the UNI and on your computer
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[18:40:39] <IchGuckLive> no
[18:40:50] <IchGuckLive> std time
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[20:26:14] * Loetmichel is just testing his new PC by bitcoin mining... no need for a log on the fire: room is cozy warm now ;-) (I3-3.4GHz, 550W PSU, ATI HD 7870) -> 68┬░C air from the PSU exhaust and 74┬░C air from the GPU slot exhaust ;-) and the PSU draws 450W from the line ;-)
[20:26:38] <Loetmichel> i think this is called "BURN IN TEST" ;-)
[20:26:55] <FinboySlick> Loetmichel: If it's solo-mining, you could get lucky and get 25 bitcoins ;)
[20:27:05] <Loetmichel> no, pooling
[20:27:40] <FinboySlick> Loetmichel: Are blocks still at 25 coins now or have they dropped to 12?
[20:27:42] <Loetmichel> i am not the guy for Lucky.
[20:27:56] <Loetmichel> iirc 25BTC per bloc
[20:28:09] <Tom_itx> can you spend em at walmart?
[20:28:21] <Tom_itx> i don't do bitcoin
[20:28:30] <Tom_itx> seems kinda silly
[20:28:33] <Loetmichel> but wiht the ~450MH/sec i cant hope ti get anywhere a complete block before being stale...
[20:28:34] <FinboySlick> Tom_itx: Heh, I sort of wish I did.
[20:29:02] <Loetmichel> not at difficulty 707408283
[20:29:04] <Loetmichel> :-)
[20:29:06] <FinboySlick> I looked into it back when you could do plain CPU mining.
[20:29:15] <FinboySlick> And thought, "Nah, too complicated."
[20:29:33] <FinboySlick> Now I sort of wish I had 1000 bitcoins lying around.
[20:29:45] <Loetmichel> btw: gpu does 450Mh/s... cpu does 0,5Mh/s ;)
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[20:30:36] <FinboySlick> Loetmichel: When I looked into it, GPU mining hadn't taken off yet.
[20:31:59] <Loetmichel> and the pool i'm in has 350Gh/s at hand and still only makes a block every 2hours or so ;-)
[20:32:31] <Loetmichel> so: nowwhere near rentability to mine with the gpu... has to use asics to be profitable there
[20:33:00] <Loetmichel> but its a great stress test for a new system to drive iot to the edge while still warranty on the parts ;-)
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[20:42:16] <FinboySlick> Yo Andy.
[20:43:02] <FinboySlick> Oh damn, now I have Les Rita Mitsouko playing in my mind.
[20:43:39] <Loetmichel> who's that?
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[20:44:04] <FinboySlick> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FG4U-UTzSHM 80's french pop band.
[20:44:40] <FinboySlick> Lead singer apparently also had a career as a hardcore porn star :P
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[20:44:56] <Loetmichel> FinboySlick: "sorry, gema doesnt want you to see this"
[20:45:02] <Loetmichel> <- german... :-(
[20:45:17] <FinboySlick> Loetmichel: Hahaha, seriously?
[20:45:38] <FinboySlick> Copyright or censor?
[20:45:38] <Loetmichel> qoute youtube: "
[20:45:38] <Loetmichel> Leider ist dieses Video, das Musik von EMI beinhaltet, in Deutschland nicht verf├╝gbar, da die GEMA die Verlagsrechte hieran nicht einger├Ąumt hat.
[20:45:38] <Loetmichel> Das tut uns leid.
[20:45:38] <Loetmichel> "
[20:45:45] <FinboySlick> Ah, okay, copyright.
[20:46:30] <andypugh> Loetmichel: I get that a lot at work. Which is especially annoying because I am not in Germany.
[20:47:01] <Loetmichel> andypugh: you work for a german company?
[20:47:03] <Loetmichel> ;-)
[20:47:05] <FinboySlick> Loetmichel: You're not missing much in that case, it's a weird song from an even weirder band.
[20:47:18] <andypugh> Loetmichel: Not really. Ford.
[20:47:26] <Loetmichel> hmm, strange
[20:47:47] <FinboySlick> andypugh: Are you the one who took the v6 out of the Fusion? ;)
[20:47:50] <Loetmichel> i thought maybe you have a german internet connection because the company headquartes is in germany
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[20:49:10] <andypugh> Loetmichel: It is something like that. But as Ford is a Class 1 (19.xx.xx.xx) I don't know how they try to figure it out.
[20:49:44] <andypugh> FinboySlick: No, nor am I the one that put the Ecoboost in the Mustang.
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[20:50:09] <FinboySlick> andypugh: If they have regional subnets in that range, they can provide a location for each in the ARIN database.
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[20:50:50] <FinboySlick> I kind of wish my Fusion had ecoboost. But then I'd have the same engine as the SHO Taurus.
[20:51:08] <FinboySlick> And I doubt my transmission would survive.
[20:51:25] <FinboySlick> Though they sort of did that in the Flex and we share a transmission... Who knows.
[20:52:08] <Loetmichel> FinboySlick: hrhr
[20:52:23] <Loetmichel> i drive an Opel Omega 2,5 liter 6cyl diesel
[20:52:29] <Loetmichel> automatic gearbox...
[20:53:11] <FinboySlick> Loetmichel: That doesn't sound entirely bad.
[20:53:14] <Loetmichel> and i can hear the prop shaft going "KNOCK" at every load change
[20:53:15] <Loetmichel> ;-)
[20:53:35] <FinboySlick> You probably aren't short on torque.
[20:53:50] <Loetmichel> ... must be the rubber disc that dampens the load changes
[20:53:57] <Loetmichel> not really
[20:54:59] <Loetmichel> have pulled a 7,5 ton lorry from the autobahn to the car workshop lately
[20:55:05] <Loetmichel> -> no problem
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[20:55:26] <FinboySlick> That too might explain a knock in your transmission :P
[20:55:48] <Loetmichel> althoug ist s a strange sight seeing a saloon pullong a Truck ;-)
[20:56:18] <Loetmichel> no, that sound is there exactly since the worhshop has changed my back brake discs
[20:56:25] <Loetmichel> i think the have done something wrong then
[20:56:42] <Loetmichel> they
[20:58:19] <Loetmichel> FinboySlick: my car: http://www.spritmonitor.de/de/detailansicht/442560.html
[20:59:40] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11969 <- better view
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[21:00:07] <Loetmichel> and its rear drive, like it should be ;-)
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[21:00:30] <Loetmichel> (and the ASR can be deactivated ;-)
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[21:07:05] <Loetmichel> already made some donuts by accident ( slightly wet street, cheap tyres, lead foot at the traffic lights... -> 360┬░ turn with the front wheels still at the thraffic light line ;-)
[21:14:49] <FinboySlick> Loetmichel: I remember seeing that car before. It's very nice to have a car you love... I'm about the same with my Fusion.
[21:15:41] <Loetmichel> its simply a very comfotable saloon/hatchback with unbelieveable vast storage room inside
[21:16:58] <Loetmichel> when i flip the rear seats i have about 2,05m by 160cm by 80cm volume with a flat bottom and very low, too.
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[21:35:25] <FinboySlick> Loetmichel: Maybe you could get the granite slab that archivist mentioned before.
[21:36:02] <FinboySlick> Neat way to one-up the truck pulling challenge.
[21:36:23] <Loetmichel> hrhr
[21:37:08] <FinboySlick> Suspension might pop more than your transmission.
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[21:45:36] <JT-Shop> a good day to run the powder coat oven... it snowed so much the back of my pickup truck is full to the top with snow
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[21:56:11] <Loetmichel> FinboySlick: suspensuon is good for an additional 1.5 metric tons ;-)
[21:56:14] <Loetmichel> in the back
[21:58:53] <MacGalempsy> it is strange that since going on vacation, unplugging the machine, then coming back and plugging it in does not power up the 7i77 :(
[21:58:57] <skunkworks> I carried this around for the longest time as a good luck charm..
[21:59:01] <skunkworks> http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/testing/ouch.JPG
[21:59:19] <skunkworks> http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/testing/ouch1.JPG
[21:59:22] <MacGalempsy> how is that lucky?
[22:00:22] <FinboySlick> MacGalempsy: Bt the look of things, it's lucky it didn't do more damage ;)
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[22:00:39] <MacGalempsy> ha. yes, agreed
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[22:02:11] <skunkworks> it few across the room...
[22:02:15] <skunkworks> flew
[22:03:01] <FinboySlick> skunkworks: What's the smear around the endmill/drill.
[22:03:33] <FinboySlick> Chuck rubbed on it?
[22:03:38] <skunkworks> yes
[22:03:45] <skunkworks> it was a centering drill
[22:04:20] <skunkworks> I inverted x and z iirc
[22:04:22] <FinboySlick> I'll keep it in the back of my mind as a goodluck charm/warning too.
[22:04:56] <FinboySlick> But it's 5pm, friday and time for me to go do as little as possible for a while ;)
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[22:54:06] <andypugh> Loetmichel: My car :-) http://images.thecarconnection.com/lrg/2013-ford-fusion-mondeo-spy-shots_100368694_l.jpg
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[22:57:31] <andypugh> in other news, my Y-axis upgrade now makes my X look bad. Is there no end to the expense?
[22:57:47] <JT-Shop> lol
[22:58:08] <Loetmichel> andypugh: had to much black tape and cloth?
[22:58:19] <andypugh> I have 0.03mm backlash in the Y. That's not brillliant, I accept, but is probably pretty good for a retrofit from leadscrews.
[22:58:20] <Loetmichel> (thats called an "erlkoenig" in germany ;-)
[23:00:10] <andypugh> (www.loe.dict) Ah, yes, that is exactly what it its.
[23:00:31] <andypugh> Err. www.leo.dict
[23:00:55] <andypugh> Luckily the forst one isn't anything dodgy.
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[23:03:14] <andypugh> I once trashed a company PC. I was looking for info on large marine diesels and tried www.man.com. I found a web site that catered to specialised interests, but also one that spawned new windows on mouseover. I couldn't close them as fast as they were opening, and a number of horrible things got installed. (this was windows XP a long time ago). I had to reinstall windows from scratch.
[23:04:31] <andypugh> (that URL is now safe, by the way, bit still isn't about diesel engines)
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[23:10:07] <jdh_> a friend got a ford Fusion energie or something like that the other day
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[23:12:36] <andypugh> The Fusion has been out for quite a while in the US, it is due to launch as the new Mondeo in the UK next year.
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[23:13:02] <andypugh> (And the rest of Europe).
[23:13:05] <jdh> he got the plug-in hybrid
[23:13:20] <andypugh> Does he like it?
[23:13:59] <jdh> he hasn't used any gas all week
[23:14:15] <andypugh> I haven't tried one, I work on diesels, bit I can't see diesel as the long-term future. They can be very efficient, but they can't be very efficient and low in NOx.
[23:14:59] <andypugh> My personal opinion is that NOx limits are too low, and it would be better to relax them and chase fuel efficiency.
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[23:19:51] <kengu> but nox is bad, they say.
[23:20:51] <andypugh> It's bad in Beijing, it's awful in LA. Those places could have their own rules.
[23:26:40] <CaptHindsight> the sulfur ratings for diesels in the US must have just been set to insure that low efficiency cars stay on the roads here (good for the oil co's)
[23:28:03] <JT-Shop> snow finally stopped, now to get the tractor to start tomorrow and blade the driveway
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[23:32:30] <CaptHindsight> JT-Shop: how much snow did you get? I heard it's on the way up here
[23:33:57] <jdh> it was 75F and sunny here today.
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[23:40:25] <JT-Shop> we got enough to fill the bed of my full size pickup truck
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[23:57:42] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: selling snow cones now?
[23:58:14] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Wait, how the hell do you have snow in swamp country?
[23:59:10] <JT-Shop> it ain't swampy today
[23:59:36] <Jymmm> Do the gators have snow shoes on?