#linuxcnc | Logs for 2013-11-28

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[00:00:41] * Loetmichel is used to hear local radio @ the company
[00:01:01] <Loetmichel> if its completely silent there is something missin
[00:01:03] <Loetmichel> g
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[00:05:48] <RyanS> I could never study (efficiently) or do reading with any background noise..
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[00:06:16] <tjtr33> turn off drop in :) http://ubuntu.hbr1.com:19800/tronic.ogg
[00:06:38] <RyanS> but actually doing repetitive stuff like 3-D graphics or CAD, music is good
[00:06:46] <tjtr33> mindless thumpy drones for mindless tasks
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[00:09:43] <RyanS> I wonder if those drill Dr things are any good. They seem like an 'as seen on TV' product... The easy way out If you can't be bothered learning to sharpen (granted, it's probably hard to do accurately)
[00:12:07] <tjtr33> the small drills are tougher as you get older, holding your hand over the top to see the outline of the profile's shadow just dont work :(
[00:13:12] <tjtr33> get your cnc running then build a Quorn tool grinder :)
[00:14:22] <tjtr33> http://www.thebloughs.net/hobbies/metalworking/quorn/
[00:14:33] <tjtr33> open source hdwr yay!
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[00:15:20] <RyanS> nice.. I think it would take years to build
[00:15:49] <RyanS> It is true. People spend more time modifying tools than building things
[00:16:39] <andypugh> You make it sound like you think that is a problem,
[00:19:32] <RyanS> It is interesting to do. I guess. I suppose you get the same amount of satisfaction in doing that
[00:21:42] <RyanS> ouch $410 for tool grinder castings. I guess you could machine them out of the solid stock?
[00:22:25] <tjtr33> or just a jig... http://homews.co.uk/page356.html
[00:23:18] <tjtr33> only needed for the small drills anyways, 3/8 & up, learn how to freehand 'em ( 65yr old blind guy talking here )
[00:26:34] <tjtr33> dang ubuntu's built in pdf view screws up fonts all the time, have to use adobe ( re: the dwgs for the above drill sharpener )
[00:26:57] <RyanS> hmm I was reading 135° split point tends to 'bite' as you break through
[00:31:04] <tjtr33> make that firefox's built in js(?) pdf viewer
[00:31:15] <tjtr33> excuse me ubuntu
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[00:49:07] <andypugh> OK, so 50 minutes to disassamble an iPhone, put in a new ear speaker, and rebuild. Who sais there were "No User Servicable Parts" inside.
[00:52:40] <Tom_itx> andypugh what sserial cards do you have?
[00:54:54] <andypugh> I have several 8i20s, a 7i73, 7i69 and 7i71
[00:55:08] <andypugh> I only actually use the 8i20s
[00:55:18] <Tom_itx> if i use separate power for VIN i can set field power to 5v right?
[00:55:19] <andypugh> The others were for dev work.
[00:55:34] <Tom_itx> VIN just powerers the onboard smps right?
[00:55:44] <andypugh> I don't know. I suspect not, I think it needs to be at least 7V. Check the manual.
[00:55:49] <Tom_itx> 8v
[00:55:54] <Tom_itx> but that's for the smps
[00:56:00] <Tom_itx> 8 to 32
[00:56:04] <andypugh> You woul dneed to ask PCW>
[00:56:07] <Tom_itx> ok
[00:56:24] <andypugh> It is to do with the voltage theshold to be sensed as "true"
[00:56:35] <Tom_itx> field power is
[00:57:08] <Tom_itx> W1 connects field power to VFIELDB or EXTERNAL
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[00:57:44] <Tom_itx> if W1 is external i think i can use VFIELDB at 5v
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[01:03:06] <andypugh> Thinking about it, I think I _have_ used 5V VField.
[01:03:49] <Tom_itx> i think you can, you just have to power the smps externally with 8-32v for the onboard logic
[01:08:43] <PCW> You can use 5V VField but Vin needs 8 or more
[01:08:54] <PCW> (with newish firmware)
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[01:10:46] <andypugh> Right, that's enough for tonight.
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[01:12:53] <NickParker> what was andypugh doing a bit up to make the DATA0 and DATA1 values for me? I need to store 1000 1100 0100 0110 0010 0011 0001 1001 as DATA[0-7]
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[01:13:26] <NickParker> and he first said to make table-data-0 0x6040c08 but then later said to make DATA0 which I suspect is the same 0x9010302
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[01:20:41] <Tom_itx> PCW how do i check the firmware ver? where do i find the utilities to query it?
[01:21:16] <NickParker> if you're looking for mesa utils, support software on their anything IO page
[01:21:55] <NickParker> http://www.mesanet.com/software/parallel/5i25.zip <---- Download like with mesaflash and stuff
[01:21:59] <Tom_itx> i wasn't sure if it was bundled in the zip files
[01:22:17] <Tom_itx> for linux or windows?
[01:23:09] <Tom_itx> i'll figure it out... not quite that far along yet
[01:23:17] <NickParker> both
[01:24:12] <Tom_itx> i'm not using a 5i25 though
[01:24:53] <NickParker> http://www.mesanet.com/fpgacardinfo.html
[01:24:59] <NickParker> support software under the card you are using?
[01:25:09] <NickParker> but I mean mesaflash is the same for all of them.
[01:25:15] <NickParker> brb, let me see if mesaflash can read firmware.
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[01:27:00] <NickParker> mmmm, i don't see anything.
[01:27:10] <NickParker> i dunno, wait for PCW to return
[01:27:24] <Tom_itx> when i get closer to that i will
[01:27:47] <Tom_itx> i made a custom bit file for the 7i43 7i47 combo to support sserial
[01:28:02] <Tom_itx> so i dunno if those utilities will work on those cards
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[01:38:33] <Jymmm> The glider rockers have a LOT of specialized custom automation machines. I kinda like the foam shrinker myself... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRcY9H2pXp8
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[01:45:11] <micges> Tom_itx: http://mesanet.com/software/parallel/sserial.zip
[01:45:27] <micges> try programs in /utils/windows
[01:46:54] <Tom_L> you use the utilities connected to the cards so i'll try to use them in linux since they're all wired it
[01:46:56] <Tom_L> in*
[01:47:22] <Tom_L> thanks for the link
[01:49:55] <Tom_L> i need lcnc 2.6.0 to use the linuxcnc utilities?
[01:51:09] <micges> yes
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[01:51:29] <Tom_L> are there standalone ones that will do the same job?
[01:51:56] <micges> hold on
[01:52:29] <micges> link I give is with windows utilties for sserial diagnose and flash update
[01:52:34] <Tom_L> i don't especially wanna build 2.6.0 from scratch
[01:52:52] <Tom_L> micges, yes... i was reading a readme inside the file
[01:52:59] <micges> lcnc 2.6.0 can only flash sserial remoted
[01:53:18] <micges> ok
[01:53:23] <Tom_L> how do you wire the card to a winbox?
[01:53:46] <Tom_L> hopefully i won't need to flash it
[01:53:57] <micges> same as always
[01:54:09] <Tom_L> first time
[01:54:15] <Tom_L> there isn't an 'always' yet
[01:54:24] <micges> ok
[01:55:08] <micges> new mesaflash will soon be available, it's 'all in one' diagnose/flashing tool for mesa boards
[01:55:36] <micges> then all diagnose will be much simpler
[01:55:39] <Tom_L> i'm in no big rush
[01:56:05] <Tom_L> for windows and linux i presume
[01:56:25] <micges> on windows pc you plug 5i25 and 7i77+sserial
[01:56:35] <Tom_L> is there a page explaining how to wire the board to a windows box?
[01:56:42] <micges> and all windows tools will have access to sserial board
[01:56:46] <Tom_L> see that's just it... i'm not using a 5i25
[01:57:02] <Tom_L> i made a bit file for a 7i47
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[01:57:14] <micges> ok, got any mesa fpga board?
[01:57:14] <Tom_L> 7i43 mb
[01:57:21] <Tom_L> wired and working
[01:57:43] <micges> that should work too
[01:57:48] <Tom_L> it would be easy with the 5i25
[01:58:07] <Tom_L> wired to a parallel port on the win box?
[01:58:27] <micges> 7i43 on epp with sserial connected
[01:58:42] <Tom_L> it will be wired to the 7i47
[01:58:47] <Tom_L> RS422
[01:58:54] <micges> yes but you must locate under linux what epp port is working
[01:58:58] <micges> first
[01:59:18] <Tom_L> so do all the updating on a linux box
[01:59:44] <micges> epp is on motherboard?
[01:59:52] <Tom_L> yes
[01:59:56] <Tom_L> it's an atom board
[02:00:00] <micges> ok so ignore above
[02:00:06] <micges> 0x378
[02:00:09] <Tom_L> yeah
[02:00:29] <Tom_L> i can't follow along yet though, it's not connected
[02:00:43] <Tom_L> i'm just rounding up the tools right now
[02:01:09] <micges> I dont have working epp under windows to try any tool
[02:01:36] <Tom_L> it may be easier done on linux anyway
[02:01:49] <Tom_L> this is an old pc so chances of it working are good
[02:02:51] <micges> next mesaflash will not have ability to flash sserial, but it will give you all needed information
[02:03:51] <micges> maybe instead of this you can check of 8v VIN and 5v FIELD is working?
[02:03:56] <micges> easier test
[02:04:26] <Tom_L> i need to chop up a cat5 cable first
[02:04:45] <Tom_L> fixing some gecko connectors atm
[02:04:50] <Tom_L> dealing me fits
[02:06:53] <Tom_L> looking at the windows utilities there's a serial.bat i'm looking at... do or can i wire the sserial directly to a serial port for these utilities?
[02:10:13] <micges> yes you must set setup mode on sserial board with jumper, but it will still be 422, you need converter 232 <-> 422
[02:11:11] <micges> I'm sure you will connect to board, but I'm not sure what tools will work in setup mode
[02:11:16] <Tom_L> if i go through the 7i43 -> 7i47 -> sserial i won't need to do that?
[02:11:21] <micges> you must and ask PCW
[02:11:25] <Tom_L> i plan to
[02:11:37] <Tom_L> just getting a heads up on it right now
[02:12:16] <Tom_L> working with an untested bit file too :)
[02:12:29] <Tom_L> it _should_ work
[02:13:11] <micges> ok then use 7i43 -> 7i47 -> sserial
[02:13:35] <Tom_L> probably the better choice right now
[02:13:58] <Tom_L> http://codinghorror.typepad.com/.a/6a0120a85dcdae970b0128776ff992970c-pi
[02:14:00] <Tom_L> (tm)
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[02:18:50] <Tom_L> micges is it an update from 2.5.3 to 2.6.0 or a rebuild?
[02:19:14] <micges> rebuild
[02:19:34] <micges> make clean && make
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[02:24:02] <Tom_L> where do you get 2.6?
[02:24:57] <micges> http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/
[02:25:26] <Tom_L> i was just looking there
[02:25:58] <Tom_L> is it the 'master' branch?
[02:26:19] <micges> yes
[02:26:48] <Tom_L> stable for running a machine?
[02:27:05] <Tom_L> a bit hesitant here
[02:27:21] <micges> nope
[02:28:06] <micges> why do you want 2.6.0? you said you have 2.5.3 now
[02:28:24] <Tom_L> the readme indicated i needed it for the sserial update stuff
[02:29:56] <micges> yes but even if you will need to update you do this once and get back to 2.5.3 on machine
[02:30:23] <Tom_L> can i load both versions on a pc?
[02:30:44] <Tom_L> only have one linux box here
[02:30:50] <micges> yes
[02:31:13] <Tom_L> i wasn't sure but what some of the files would clobber each other
[02:31:56] <micges> you got 2.5.3 from package?
[02:32:02] <Tom_L> cd
[02:32:37] <Tom_L> with package updates
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[02:33:25] <Tom_L> i've got a spare drive i can toss in
[02:33:33] <Tom_L> to be safe
[02:34:05] <micges> first wait for info if you NEED do that
[02:34:13] <Tom_L> i plan to
[02:34:23] <Tom_L> just gathering info right now
[02:35:05] * Tom_L smells pumpkin pie baking
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[02:54:36] <NickParker> Think I figured out what andypugh was up to with table mode. testing now to see if i'm right
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[03:10:40] <NickParker> When I try to use loadrt hm2_pci I get error inserting hm2_pci.ko: -1 unknown symbol in module
[03:11:05] <micges> you must loadrt hostmot2 first
[03:11:59] <NickParker> ah thanks
[03:12:00] <Tom_L> micges do you have a link describing the mesa utilities?
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[03:13:53] <micges> what utilities?
[03:14:06] <Tom_L> the link you gave me
[03:14:16] <Tom_L> for the sserial stuff
[03:14:28] <micges> nope
[03:14:34] <Tom_L> ok
[03:15:03] <micges> iirc only readme and usage from programs
[03:15:51] <Tom_L> maybe it was here i saw some discussion about it
[03:16:01] <Tom_L> i'd swear i saw something on it recently...
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[03:25:39] <NickParker> how do i address pins on the 6i25's parallel port in HAL?
[03:26:03] <NickParker> I've got hm2_5i25.0.stepgen.dir pins and stuff that i want to connect to parallel port pins
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[03:34:43] <micges> what stuff?
[03:37:40] <NickParker> hm2.5i25_0.00.stepgen.dir, hm2_5i25.0.stepgen.00.step and .table-pin0 and .table-pin1 which andypugh added
[03:37:45] <NickParker> outputs of a hm2 stepgen
[03:42:53] <micges> you should have pinout on dmesg after lcnc start
[03:44:01] <micges> you want to connect directly to 6i25?
[03:44:21] <NickParker> Yeah, to the parallel port on the card itself
[03:44:33] <NickParker> the one that sticks out the back, not the 26 pin header inside the pc
[03:44:42] <micges> ok
[03:44:46] <NickParker> dmesg says the pins i want are on IO pins 000 through 004
[03:45:39] <micges> are there phisical pin number?
[03:46:08] <micges> numbers
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[03:48:06] <NickParker> after the 00X number it says in parens something like (P3-14)
[03:48:31] <micges> yep that's it
[03:48:36] <NickParker> all 4 that i want are (P3-xx)
[03:48:36] <micges> port 3 pin 14
[03:49:07] <Tom_L> micges you need field power to test the sserial right?
[03:49:11] <Tom_L> or vin
[03:49:20] <micges> vin
[03:50:26] <PCW> you will get a fault if field power is out of range
[03:50:51] <PCW> (like less than 4V or >35V)
[03:50:55] <Tom_L> PCW, do i need to be concerned about paint on these chips?
[03:51:03] <Tom_L> the 71 board
[03:51:20] <PCW> Dont think so
[03:51:48] <Tom_L> k, wasn't sure but what one bank may be faulty
[03:51:52] <Tom_L> that row was marked
[03:52:35] <PCW> I managed to update the firmware on both before sending so they should be OK (normally they wont start if theres an I/O fault)
[03:52:49] <Tom_L> appreciate that
[03:53:00] <Tom_L> will save me figuring that out for the moment
[03:53:19] <PCW> ( NCV7608s usually show as faulted if fried)
[03:54:44] <PCW> I think the 7I71 has output LEDs so you should be able to test easily
[03:55:21] <Tom_L> i may start with that one
[03:56:15] <PCW> in any case if working the pins should just show up in HAL (and the green led should blink)
[03:56:40] <Tom_L> i need to figure out how to address them again
[03:57:00] <PCW> hal show pins...
[03:57:21] <Tom_L> ok
[03:57:24] <PCW> or is it "pin" I always forget
[03:57:31] <Tom_L> i may not get it wired in tonight...
[03:57:43] <Tom_L> oh from the terminal?
[03:57:51] <PCW> its a bit awkward with a 7I47
[03:58:02] <Tom_L> yep, i figured on that
[03:58:10] <Tom_L> stuff was made for 5i25 and the like
[03:58:39] <Tom_L> will the 7i43 need updated to support it?
[03:59:07] <PCW> Yes from a terminal and a
[03:59:09] <PCW> 7I44 or 7I52S or something would be a lot easier
[03:59:48] <PCW> no, sserial is FPGA card agnostic
[04:00:33] <PCW> The sserial ROM code is developed on a 7I43
[04:00:50] <PCW> V44 now
[04:01:47] <Tom_L> where do i find show pin?
[04:01:56] <PCW> (43 is the latest released version)
[04:02:04] <PCW> halcmd show pin
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[04:02:47] <PCW> I think your cards may have bogus serial numbers
[04:02:58] <PCW> bbl
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[04:03:29] <atom1> how do i redirect the output to a file?
[04:03:31] <NickParker> ok so i've definitely found the outputs of my stepgen
[04:03:52] <NickParker> now to figure out how tablemode works and get them to actually do things
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[04:06:41] <micges> atom1: cmd > file
[04:06:55] <Tom_L> yeah i figured it out... thanks
[04:07:19] <Tom_L> hopefully it'll be a bigger file once the sserial is wired up
[04:08:43] <NickParker> can i just run a .hal file somehow?
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[04:09:03] <NickParker> like open halrun in terminal then just say 'execute each line of this .hal file"
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[04:10:11] <micges> halcmd -f filename.hal
[04:10:18] <NickParker> cool ty
[04:11:13] <micges> use also -k so halcmd won't exit relatime after end of file
[04:12:26] <NickParker> ok
[04:19:41] <NickParker> I don't need to do the whole setting up base thread and servo thread and adding functions thing to test my hostmot2 right? all I want to do is set it to go 2 counts per second in velocity control mode
[04:20:19] <micges> you must
[04:20:37] <NickParker> oh ok
[04:20:42] <micges> this will work:
[04:21:03] <micges> loadrt threads name1-servo-thread period1=1000000
[04:21:21] <micges> *name1=
[04:21:58] <micges> this will create servo-thread function and you need to connect read, write and pet_watchdog functions from hostmot2
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[04:26:03] <NickParker> I don't think I have a watchdog though, because my stepgen output pins on the parallel port are staying at 0V, not turning into inputs like they would if the watchdog bit
[04:27:00] <micges> ok
[04:27:30] <NickParker> here let me copy what I have over to a pastebin, I'm sure i'm missing something important.
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[04:34:18] <NickParker> http://pastebin.com/Pt8MMncC
[04:36:13] <micges> http://pastebin.com/SapufSxY
[04:37:20] <tjtr33> addf's and start
[04:38:19] <micges> yep forgot about start at end
[04:38:57] <NickParker> start?
[04:39:05] <tjtr33> its a cmd
[04:39:06] <NickParker> just the word start on a line of it's own or?
[04:39:17] <tjtr33> yep at end
[04:39:46] <NickParker> ok halcmd -f -k that gets a seg fault
[04:40:04] <NickParker> could not open shared memory
[04:40:08] <NickParker> errno=2
[04:40:54] <pcw_home> if linuxcnc is not running you need halrun
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[04:44:16] <NickParker> halrun at the start of the file, or halrun in cmd line then halcmd -f -k etc
[04:46:28] <micges> the second
[04:47:06] <tjtr33> i run hal scripts from cmd line, but in a rip, so i set the env, then enter the dir of the rip , then scripts/halrun -I -f /path/to/my/hal/myhal.hal
[04:47:32] <tjtr33> becus halrun is 'just' a script that runs halcmd
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[04:48:13] <tjtr33> sorry no experience running it for an installed version, tho there are man pages
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[04:52:56] <NickParker> ok halrun -I -f filename.hal seems to have at least executed
[04:53:14] <NickParker> it worked enough to complain that addf needs 2 args (i had forgotten to specify servo-thread)
[04:54:17] <NickParker> however now all my inputs are high, so either the watchdog bit (but I don't think I have a watchdog) or something else is going on
[04:54:28] <NickParker> oh wait no, watchdog got added when i did read/write huh.
[04:54:41] <NickParker> brb adding the pet thing
[04:56:54] <NickParker> It works!
[04:57:08] <NickParker> I've got the right pattern cycling on my 4 stepgen outputs.
[04:59:52] <Tom_L> sserial firmware ver 41 on the 7I43
[05:00:12] <Tom_L> i wonder if that needs updated
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[06:16:06] <RyanS> Nice to see someone abusing their machine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDymG3uYK8A
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[07:24:39] <RyanS> so is it rather trivial if you already have a power drawbar to implement tool tray which traverses the spindle to tool position. To facilitate automatic tool changes, although sacrificing some table space. I saw implemented somewhere just can't remember the details
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[07:39:53] <RyanS> Actually, Routers use that method
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[07:59:22] <_DJ_> moin
[08:00:20] <RyanS> heh...cool, saw a video clip of an 1800s foot pedal powered lathe
[08:01:08] <RyanS> Horse on a treadmill would have been my preference
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[10:06:30] <RyanS> found some really good machining videos on my university library website
[10:11:37] <RyanS> Produced in 2004... introduction music from the 1980 :p
[10:11:43] <RyanS> s
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[12:13:24] <jthornton> Happy Turkey Day
[12:13:57] <Jymmm> jthornton: Same to you!!!
[12:14:28] <Jymmm> jthornton: Got the tri-tip marinating nicely =)
[12:14:49] <jthornton> mine is thawing out
[12:14:59] <jthornton> what do you marinate with?
[12:15:21] <Jymmm> worchester, onion powder, salt, pepper
[12:15:43] <Jymmm> sometimes a touch of garlic powder too
[12:16:00] <jthornton> sounds good, I was fixing to say I put garlic powder on mine
[12:16:26] <jthornton> I smoke for 40 minutes with cherry wood the bring the IT up to very rare
[12:17:12] * archivist_herron dreams of beans on cheese on toast
[12:17:17] <Jymmm> Sometimes I am on a garlic craze, so I back off other times =)
[12:17:52] <Jymmm> jthornton: LOTS on onion powder adds a subtle sweetness
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[13:47:52] <PetefromTn> Happy Thanksgiving everyone!! LOL
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[14:11:08] <IchGuckLive> hi all Thanksgiveners
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[14:18:04] <PetefromTn> Hey Ich...
[14:18:38] <IchGuckLive> hi Macys day parade is on the way
[14:19:16] <PetefromTn> Yeah I suppose so, I will see if it is on.
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[14:19:49] <IchGuckLive> NBC
[14:21:48] <PetefromTn> LOL just asked my kids if they want to watch it and apparently they would rather play their newest WII game ... jeez
[14:40:18] <IchGuckLive> i wrote a quick script to capture the raffic cams
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[14:50:18] <Tom_itx> IchGuckLive, their employees will have to watch it out the window
[14:52:09] <IchGuckLive> tom did you get your vel in screen
[14:53:19] <IchGuckLive> here is the script http://pastebin.com/i9vtnimQ SAVE it as HTML and open it in browser
[14:53:29] <IchGuckLive> enjoy the parade
[14:54:06] <Tom_itx> yes i did
[14:54:08] <Tom_itx> thanks
[14:55:01] <IchGuckLive> parade now entering 6th avenue
[15:00:15] <Tom_itx> yeah we get to see it live
[15:02:33] <IchGuckLive> Ronald MC is on the way
[15:03:14] <IchGuckLive> nice weather in NY
[15:03:55] <IchGuckLive> Tom_itx: motion .current-vel is in units per second !
[15:04:05] <Tom_itx> yep
[15:04:07] <IchGuckLive> you need a mult2 servo tread
[15:04:14] <Tom_itx> no
[15:04:19] <IchGuckLive> to show it as Axis
[15:04:20] <Tom_itx> scale
[15:04:29] <IchGuckLive> the samew
[15:04:37] <Tom_itx> it's working
[15:04:44] <IchGuckLive> Scale = multiplikation
[15:05:00] <IchGuckLive> scale = 60 !
[15:05:03] <Tom_itx> i had scale loaded already
[15:05:26] <IchGuckLive> so you add it to base or servo tread
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[15:06:57] <IchGuckLive> Mr crabs is pading
[15:08:35] <IchGuckLive> sponge bob
[15:11:18] <PetefromTn> My kids used to love Spongebob and now apparently it is UNCOOL.....LOL
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[15:23:15] <IchGuckLive> spider man at columbus circle
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[15:27:13] <IchGuckLive> and as in the USA no end bevor the military marches along
[15:28:22] <jdh> I finally got a hdmi->vga adapter for my BBB so I can see it. Can you do anything useful with them?
[15:28:55] <IchGuckLive> downgrade is always bad
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[15:38:37] <IchGuckLive> now 6 traffic ams on parade view !
[15:38:45] <IchGuckLive> cams
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[15:55:13] <IchGuckLive> http://blog.zap2it.com/pop2it/2013/11/macys-thanksgiving-day-parade-2013-live-stream-and-performer-information.html
[15:55:31] <IchGuckLive> includes sound
[15:56:29] <IchGuckLive> sponge bob now iat macys
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[16:00:48] <IchGuckLive> advertising all over
[16:02:42] <Tom_itx> snoopy
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[16:10:35] <pcw_home> Tom_itx: any sserial version > 34 is fine
[16:10:37] <pcw_home> (later fixes are mainly for obscure corner condition bugs)
[16:12:12] <IchGuckLive> parades end now past columbus circle
[16:12:32] <IchGuckLive> 2hr 10min
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[16:16:23] <PetefromTn> Watchin' it now on stream thanks Ich..
[16:16:45] <Tom_itx> you don't get it live?
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[16:18:25] <IchGuckLive> NBC is nor in europ only cnbc
[16:18:49] <Tom_itx> i meant pete, he's in the US
[16:18:51] <PetefromTn> Sure but like I said the kids are playing the WII and my wife is using our big screen TV to play holiday music on the HIFI speakers.
[16:19:24] <IchGuckLive> on black friday get the wife going shopping
[16:19:29] <PetefromTn> I don't feel like running upstairs to watch it on the other TV's so I will just sit here on the laptop enjoying it while I do some cad drawing.
[16:20:06] <IchGuckLive> Tom_itx: is the advertising stuff also on the Real TV
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[16:23:16] <Tom_itx> that's what remotes were made for
[16:23:45] <IchGuckLive> rember time without them
[16:24:14] <Tom_itx> B&W that took 10 min to warm up
[16:24:27] <IchGuckLive> LOL
[16:24:40] <IchGuckLive> 1channel here in gErmany only
[16:25:11] <Tom_itx> the handfull of channels available didn't have full programming so we watched the 'indian' alot of the time
[16:26:00] <IchGuckLive> i got now 5k of them from Japan to the USA here in germany Sat Dish
[16:26:17] <Tom_itx> http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://nyquil.org/uploads/IndianHeadTestPattern16x9.png&imgrefurl=http://nyquil.org/archives/859-Indian-Head-Test-Pattern-at-169.html&h=1944&w=3456&sz=1988&tbnid=uXaxr34wJLpTUM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=160&zoom=1&usg=__-i8qxrBXUpJ3l6j6_L7GpG-SBlg=&docid=mr3RF8zfukE8NM&sa=X&ei=kG6XUpOqE8nhoASW94D4DA&ved=0CEAQ9QEwAQ
[16:26:55] <IchGuckLive> advertise !! im off for now
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[16:35:05] <Tom_itx> thanks PCW
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[17:51:03] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
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[17:55:34] <IchGuckLive> comet isoh now aproching the sun at max speed
[17:55:55] <IchGuckLive> http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/realtime-images.html live shots
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[18:12:34] <Tom_itx> i just noticed something... when i home my axis, call up a tool then send the machine to zero , z doesn't go to zero. after i load the program and run it a bit then send the machine to zero, z returnes to the preset zero with the tool offset
[18:13:12] <Tom_itx> i wonder if it's because the mdi didn't call up the H word for the tool
[18:13:34] <Tom_itx> maybe i should mdi Tx M6 Hx instead of just Tx M6
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[18:18:10] <Tom_itx> anyway, got all the connectors turned around. guess we'll see if they hold this time
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[18:21:40] <IchGuckLive> http://www.ustream.tv/nasahdtv/pop-out
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[18:24:36] <jthornton> Tom_itx, you should use Tn M6 G43
[18:25:55] <IchGuckLive> and th H
[18:26:15] <IchGuckLive> for full inf to the interpreter
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[19:25:48] <IchGuckLive> By isoh the Xmas comet has been busted by the Sun
[19:26:18] <IchGuckLive> no view till now on all satelites of its move arround
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[20:24:48] <Loetmichel> *bah* could someone PLEASE end that running nose and the coughing up the green slime? that would be REALLY great... i think i get old... thats the worst cold i had in a VERY long time :-(
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[20:38:27] <hardware> hey guys im having troubles configuring my mesa 7i76 PNG kit , anytime i start pncconf after i picked 5i25 from the list of available pci cards I get an error
[20:40:13] <hardware> maybe someone also had this error or knows what to do ?
[20:40:35] <Jymmm> You haven't said what the error is
[20:42:49] <hardware> oh sorry :) the error message : Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/pncconf", line 4502, in on_basicinfo_next self.mesa_firmware_search(i) File "/usr/bin/pncconf", line 4733, in mesa_firmware_search dbg("temp: %s, converted name: %s. num %d"%( tempfunc,convertedname,instance_num), "firm") UnboundLocalError: local variable 'instance_num' referenced before assignment
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[20:50:01] <pcw_home> do you have the 5i25/7i76 xml files installed?
[20:50:03] <pcw_home> http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/39-pncconf/21670-5i25-firmware-xml-files-for-pncconf
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[20:54:00] <hardware> dear pcw yes i installed them with the 5i25 Update file
[20:55:05] <hardware> i also changed the acces rights of the 5i25 folder and the included files
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[20:57:43] <pcw_home> Not sure how you get it but you may also want to make sure you have the latest version of pncconf
[20:59:43] <hardware> isnt the latest pncconf included in the linuxcnc 2.5.3 build ?
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[21:02:16] <_DJ_> re
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[21:14:14] <pcw_home> Dont know, you might ask on the pncconf section of the forum
[21:27:19] <Jymmm> So vocal... http://v5.tinypic.com/player.swf?file=2d0cpk1
[21:28:24] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: teh Porcupine(?) ist telling its story ;-)
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[21:44:03] <NickParker|2> andypugh: I got table mode working.
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[21:44:13] <andypugh> Great!
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[21:57:08] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Cute aint it =)
[21:58:26] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: very
[21:58:50] * Loetmichel wants to have a raven or 2
[21:59:08] <Jymmm> ...quote the raven
[21:59:12] <Loetmichel> but that is forbidden in germany (red list)
[21:59:20] <Jymmm> a raven is?
[21:59:35] <Jymmm> Not endangered, are they?
[21:59:49] <Loetmichel> right: no trade, no raising of them unless you are a Zoo
[22:00:25] <Jymmm> None are native to .de ?
[22:00:57] <Jymmm> or you just cant have them as pets?
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[22:01:44] <Loetmichel> you cant have them as pĂĽets and you will get in trouble sjhootinmg them
[22:01:47] <Loetmichel> shooting
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[22:02:32] <Loetmichel> and you cant legally sell them or buy them
[22:03:42] <Loetmichel> they are native here
[22:03:52] <Loetmichel> not everywhre but you can see them occasionally
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[22:40:54] <_DJ_> gn8
[22:42:00] <Tom_itx> jthornton, yeah i know.. i was just in a hurry working on the wiring and testing
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[22:55:24] <andypugh> Loetmichel: Reminds me of a Facebook comment from a friend: https://www.facebook.com/stevie.storme/posts/771952839497616
[23:00:59] <Tom_itx> will sserial show up as sserial in halcmc show pin?
[23:01:12] <Tom_itx> or as extended io
[23:01:28] <andypugh> Ooh! Look! A bargain! http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Boxford-cnc-lathe-single-phase-/321260586086
[23:01:32] <Tom_itx> (haven't pluged the card in yet)
[23:01:51] <Tom_itx> you need another lathe
[23:02:03] <andypugh> Tom_itx: It should show the cards and their pins.
[23:03:59] <Tom_itx> when i wire it, i wire the RXA to a TX0 and RXB to /TX0 right? same for the TXA & TXB?
[23:04:23] <andypugh> I don't actually know. I have never wired from scratch.
[23:04:33] <Tom_itx> you haven't?
[23:04:35] <andypugh> I have a 7i44 on my machine.
[23:04:49] <Tom_itx> oh does it have the cat5 connector?
[23:04:53] <andypugh> And the 7i77 came with a serial cable
[23:05:19] <andypugh> 7i44 is 50-pin to 8x RJ45
[23:05:20] <Tom_itx> worst case is it won't work
[23:05:43] <andypugh> I am pretty sure that the 7i76 manual tells you how to wire it.
[23:05:54] <Tom_itx> ok i gotta move some wires around to test it
[23:06:01] <Tom_itx> the 7i84 has the pinout
[23:06:25] <Tom_itx> i would assume ^^ to be the case
[23:07:15] <andypugh> Starting from the top (on the 7i76) the wiring is: Brown + Brown/White, orange-white, orange, green-white, green, Blue + Blue-white.
[23:07:28] <Tom_itx> yep same as the 84 manual
[23:07:34] <andypugh> And that's as PCW wired it :-)
[23:07:56] <Tom_itx> it gives the signals and wire colors
[23:08:10] <Tom_itx> just the 7i47 is labelled differently on the pairs
[23:08:23] <Tom_itx> TX0 /TX0 instead of TXA TXB
[23:08:36] <andypugh> I can't help but feel that an RJ socket would be more convenient, but then it can't easily be used as GPIO, I suppose.
[23:09:15] <Tom_itx> well i'm hooking this into an older card too
[23:09:50] <Tom_itx> where's all the fun if it were all done for me
[23:11:23] <Tom_itx> are they selling the lathe for scrap price?
[23:11:29] <Tom_itx> it looks pretty rough
[23:11:41] <andypugh> Well, it is at 99p so far.
[23:11:59] <andypugh> As he says, the 3kW motor and drive is worth something.
[23:12:07] <Tom_itx> you should investigate
[23:12:16] <andypugh> I would probably give ÂŁ200 for it if it wasn't in Troon.
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[23:12:32] <Tom_itx> too far away?
[23:13:04] <andypugh> 442 miles
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[23:18:02] <pcw_home> Heres an example 7I47-sserial connection?
[23:18:03] <pcw_home> > > cable (standard cat5 cut in half):
[23:18:05] <pcw_home> > > ch 0 ch 1
[23:18:06] <pcw_home> > >
[23:18:08] <pcw_home> > > txb1 txb3 orange/white
[23:18:09] <pcw_home> > > txa1 txa3 orange
[23:18:11] <pcw_home> > >
[23:18:12] <pcw_home> > > rxb5 rxb11 green/white
[23:18:14] <pcw_home> > > rxa5 rxa11 green
[23:18:15] <pcw_home> > >
[23:18:17] <pcw_home> > > +5V brown&brown/white
[23:18:18] <pcw_home> > > gnd blue&blue/white
[23:20:00] <Tom_itx> i made up a cable as you show but wasn't sure how the signals would connect ot the 7i47
[23:20:35] <Tom_itx> i assumed RXA would go to TX0 and RXB would go to /TX0
[23:22:06] <pcw_home> Thats tested
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[23:22:18] <Tom_itx> i don't quite follow you
[23:22:47] <Tom_itx> i cut the wire and checked the colors... all good
[23:23:35] <Tom_itx> the sserial is mapped to RX0 - IO4 on the 7i47
[23:23:43] <Tom_itx> RX1 - IO 6
[23:23:50] <Tom_itx> TX0 IO20
[23:23:59] <Tom_itx> TX1 - IO21
[23:24:11] <Tom_itx> from the bit file
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[23:26:36] <pcw_home> Just that the TXA RXA are the solid colors and the remote RX pair (orange)
[23:26:37] <pcw_home> connects to the 7I47 TX pair an vice versa
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[23:32:45] <NickParker> Hi all, so I'm working on my .hal file right now, and a bit unsure how to set up my spindle control. I have a 0-10V input for speed control which I'm controlling with a pwmggen on my 6i25 hooked up to a low pass filter. Then I have 3 5v inputs to the spindle controller.
[23:33:07] <NickParker> To start the spindle I pulse input A and B at the same time
[23:33:11] <NickParker> to stop I just pulse B
[23:33:17] <NickParker> and to start in reverse I pulse B and C
[23:33:38] <NickParker> So my question is, how do I make HAL output pulses like that?
[23:35:32] <andypugh> Good question :-)
[23:35:38] <NickParker> is there a way to make a signal pulse when on every edge of another signal?
[23:35:49] <NickParker> I could use that on motion.spindle-enable I think
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[23:35:54] <andypugh> Yes, there is an edge detector in HAL
[23:36:00] <Tom_itx> some type of flipflop
[23:36:29] <andypugh> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/edge.9.html
[23:37:02] <Tom_itx> pcw_home i guess my question is: is RXA the positive signal and RXB the negative?
[23:37:19] <NickParker> andypugh: sweet that looks like what i want
[23:38:00] <andypugh> The full list is near the bottom of this page.
[23:38:01] <andypugh> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/
[23:38:35] <andypugh> You might want to look at "lut5" which is remarkably configurable, if a little confusing.
[23:39:01] <NickParker> ooh that does look handy
[23:39:10] <NickParker> not necessarily for this but in general.
[23:39:27] <Tom_itx> those that went before have thought of everything!
[23:39:55] <NickParker> Seriously, I kind of want a second linuxcnc box just for general prototyping use. it can make all sorts of handy signals..
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[23:40:47] <skunkworks> NickParker: linuxcnc's hal is pretty powerfull
[23:41:10] <andypugh> And it runs on the Pi and Beagle Bone too.
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[23:55:31] <andypugh> Godnight chaps
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