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[00:04:44] <PetefromTn> Nope I think hes keepin it but it does come with keyboard and optical mouse.
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[00:14:46] <andypugh> I actually have no idea what second-hand PCs cost.
[00:14:59] <andypugh> And, in fact, I should be asleep
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[00:16:36] <PetefromTn> LOL then what are ya doing talking to me then...
[00:17:54] <PetefromTn> My design computer desktop I have been enjoying for awhile now has been giving me some issues and now it won't give me display on the monitor
[00:19:08] <PetefromTn> I was just thinking I would buy a decent used tower to replace and keep my nice large monitor and wirelss keyboard and mouse and install my current HD on the new machine to keep all my pics and software setup.
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[02:04:42] <WalterN> https://www.dropbox.com/s/vfxg2afzdrx2465/20131023_001.jpg
[02:04:50] <WalterN> making copper stuff
[02:15:35] <Valen> what is it?
[02:15:53] <WalterN> high current electrical connectors for a certain class of land based oil rigs
[02:16:40] <WalterN> they are made from 1.5" material, and about 5" long
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[02:21:44] <Valen> tis a decent plug
[02:21:50] <Valen> would carry the odd amp
[02:21:59] <WalterN> all the amp
[02:22:11] <Valen> XT-900000000 plug huh
[02:22:22] <WalterN> something
[02:22:34] <Valen> http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/catalog/24707.jpg (xt90)
[02:22:37] <WalterN> enough for an LED anyway
[02:22:42] <Valen> perhaps 2
[02:23:04] <Valen> I am curious do you have a pic of a finished cable? what sort of amps/volts do they run?
[02:23:20] <WalterN> life of the machinist
[02:23:27] <WalterN> such things never exist
[02:23:28] <WalterN> heh
[02:23:32] <Valen> :-<
[02:23:58] <Valen> I hate the unfinished bits on the outside
[02:24:04] <Valen> I'd have to polish them ;->
[02:24:14] <WalterN> it gets tin plated after I'm done with them
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[02:31:49] <chopper79> Hello, Everyone. I need a little help here. I can not seem to get master to launch. Every time try to launch 2.6 I get 2.5 running. Any help on this please?
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[02:35:49] <chopper79> After I make and then sudo make setuid. I try to go to linuxcnc-dev/scripts//rip-environment and it reads Not a directory. What did I miss here?
[02:36:21] <Valen> // is the issue
[02:36:25] <chopper79> Ignore the second /
[02:36:26] <Valen> just one /
[02:36:38] <Valen> nfi then ;->
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[02:37:05] <chopper79> linuxcnc-dev/scripts/rip-environment: Not a directory
[02:37:34] <chopper79> Seems I missed something during the process, but after 4 attempts still no luck
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[02:40:31] <chopper79> If I ls when in /linuxcnc-dev/scripts$ the list shows rip-environment but in a bold text.
[02:40:56] <chopper79> does the bold text mean anything?
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[02:42:41] <Valen> try ./linuxcnc-dev/scripts/rip-environment
[02:42:56] <Valen> it probably *is* a script to run emc in place
[02:43:13] <Valen> (so not cd ./foo just ./foo
[02:43:26] <Valen> or just cd linuxcnc-dev/scripts/
[02:43:31] <Valen> ./rip-environment
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[02:45:02] <chopper79> This script should be loaded in the context of your shell, by executing
[02:45:02] <chopper79> . ./rip-environment
[02:45:12] <chopper79> Did this and then it launched. Thanks
[02:45:37] <chopper79> LINUXCNC - 2.6.0~pre joints_axes
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[02:48:00] <chopper79> Well I selected a config from the camples and launch failed
[02:48:04] <chopper79> samples
[02:49:35] <chopper79> hal:46: Pin 'axis.0.motor-pos-cmd' does not exist
[02:49:35] <chopper79> Must be a naming error since I am trying JA3.
[02:50:08] <chopper79> I read somewhere that JA3 uses a different naming methode for axis/joints
[02:51:36] <chopper79> Anyone have any insight on the JA3 branch and if there is a log somewhere about changes needing made to launch a sample config?
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[03:06:23] <chopper79> Any idea what this means emcTrajSetJoints failing: joints=0 ?
[03:06:41] <chopper79> /linuxcnc-dev/bin/axis", line 2763, in <module>
[03:06:42] <chopper79> jointcount = int(inifile.find("KINS", "JOINTS"))
[03:06:42] <chopper79> TypeError: int() argument must be a string or a number, not 'NoneType'
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[04:25:37] <MacGalempsy> ive been running the latency test for well over 4 hours and the machine seems to be stable. I have been hammering the cpu and it seems to be running good.
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[06:40:45] <mrsun> hmm 0.01mm runout on the ER chuck for the lathe is acceptable? :)
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[06:54:12] <_DJ_> moin
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[07:17:47] <MacGalempsy> mornin dj
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[07:38:09] <_DJ_> good morning MacGalempsy
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[08:21:22] <MacGalempsy> well, at least something is getting done tonight
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[09:11:44] <MacGalempsy> zzzzz
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[10:41:37] <jthornton> kinda lumpy in here this morning
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[10:51:58] <jthornton> anyone use fwbackups?
[10:52:32] <archivist> backups...who does them
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[10:53:40] <jthornton> I'm thinking of it after losing my video card on my main computer in the shop
[10:53:59] <jthornton> dust and dirt killed it
[10:55:12] <archivist> and modern solder on bga holding the chip on to the board, cannot handle the temperature shifting
[10:56:01] <archivist> some are fixing stuff by reflowing the solder in an oven
[10:57:44] <archivist> so do I extend the rotary thread with a real test, considering I have obtained a 2500 line encoder
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[11:02:14] <jthornton> I would... but I don't know what you just said
[11:04:49] <archivist> to prove/ disprove the worm quality in a rotary
[11:05:05] <jthornton> ah, I understand now
[11:06:15] <archivist> the encoder I got was a faulty one, had dust on the scale so have cleaned it, it would also be a sensible test of my cleaning efforts
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[11:41:12] <Jymmm> I need to design/draw up something like this, including the bars and the pressed stop tabs that would be done before it's bent. how do you compensate for that?
http://img.directindustry.com/images_di/photo-g/u-bolt-58255-2823177.jpg
[11:42:11] <archivist> its called bending allowance
[11:42:31] <archivist> plenty of sites show that calculation
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[11:44:44] <Jymmm> looking....
[11:52:39] <Jymmm> Is there any CAD programs that will do this for me?
[11:55:14] <archivist> cad.... yes the sheet metal bit of solidworks, but it is not rocket science to do in a spreadsheet
[11:56:22] <Jymmm> For me, it might as well be. Is sheet metal an addon? I have an ancient SW2004 version.
[11:57:02] <archivist> and in this case is such a large radius that one could just use the radius to middle of the arc and work out the circumference
[11:59:08] <archivist> but just provide drawing to the manufacturer, they will know what to do
[12:01:19] <Jymmm> I need to prototype it here on the laser first, does SW come with sheetmetal or is it an addon?
[12:02:16] <archivist> I am too lazy to log onto your copy to find out if it came with it
[12:02:52] <Jymmm> It's not even installed, that's kinda why I asked.
[12:03:24] <archivist> ffs, go look on your cd
[12:03:52] <Jymmm> I rarely ever use it, I dont know enough about SW to know whats inclouded to not.
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[12:21:25] <Jymmm> Ok, looks ike SW2004 does have sheetmetal, but it's broken in this version, need at least 2006, or 2009 would even be better. humbug
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[12:23:54] <Tom_itx> you looking at material loss in the bend or what angle to bend them to straight?
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[12:24:33] <Tom_itx> we did bend allowance for aluminum sheet for hydropress forms and that angle was around 2-3 deg
[12:24:54] <Jymmm> mostly where to put the tabs along the length of the material
[12:25:14] <Jymmm> (they have to align to another part)
[12:25:20] <Tom_itx> i haven't dealt with roundbar bending
[12:25:31] <Tom_itx> i'm sure there are formula for it
[12:25:52] <archivist> not a lot of difference to sheet methinks
[12:26:09] <Tom_itx> https://www.google.com/search?q=roundbar+bend+allowance&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
[12:26:19] <Jymmm> archivist: I think sheetmetal will be fine too.
[12:26:41] <Tom_itx> http://www.engineersedge.com/wwwboard/posts/14584.html
[12:27:00] <Tom_itx> Think of it this way. When you bend material, the outside of the bend causes a stretching of material. The inside of the bend actually shrinks the material. At roughly 1/3 the way through the material from the inside of the bend, you will have a neutral area where the material neither stretches or is compressed.
[12:27:13] <Jymmm> But as I may have to create different sizes, I'd liek for the drawing to adjust for it automatically, reoving the fubar factor
[12:27:49] <Jymmm> as well as adjust the mating part automagically
[12:28:47] <Tom_itx> http://www.sarcea.co.za/minimumhook.php
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[12:31:13] <Tom_itx> http://www.jorgensonmachinetools.com/bend-allowance-calculator
[12:35:20] <Tom_itx> for solidworks:
https://forum.solidworks.com/message/216712
[12:36:23] <Jymmm> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtHQLIw_hOM
[12:37:52] <false> PCW: you there?
[12:38:31] <MacGalempsy> man, it seems like the workflow would be easier on this stuff!
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[12:45:20] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: TY btw
[12:45:29] <Tom_itx> yup
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[12:45:52] <Jymmm> archivist: and the bend allowance mention
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[14:04:03] <JT_Shop> 530 miles on the mountain bike
[14:04:25] <archivist> was it on the trailer :)
[14:04:44] <JT_Shop> nope
[14:04:49] <JT_Shop> through the woods
[14:04:56] <jdh> JT: cool. What kind of computer do you use?
[14:06:32] <JT_Shop> my eye phone
[14:06:36] <JT_Shop> mapmyride.com
[14:06:46] <jdh> is your phone visible?
[14:06:58] <JT_Shop> no, it talks to me as I ride
[14:07:11] <jdh> my mapmyride in my pocket is less than satisfactory information. Just once every mile
[14:08:10] <JT_Shop> you can change it to 1/2 mile
[14:08:15] <false> JT_Shop: not in one go right?
[14:08:31] <archivist> counter on the wheels or I dont believe :)
[14:08:56] <jdh> I'd like to see current/avg speed, distance. Keep me motivated to keep going. (only road riding)
[14:10:15] <false> current speed would require some extra cpu time, which would translate to shorter battery life, then again, that doesn't compare to the gps chip.
[14:10:37] <archivist> I get a little exercise at the local window company unloading and sorting glass windows
[14:11:01] <jdh> false: mag encoder
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[14:11:43] <false> jdh: ?
[14:12:12] <false> I understood the phone kept track of the distance coverd?
[14:12:31] <jdh> yeah, but a cheap bike computer keeps count of wheel and crank revs
[14:13:08] <false> Ah, totally didn't get you were talking about a separate device, thought you wanted that on the phone to
[14:14:31] <jdh> it would be ok on the phone, if I could see the phone
[14:15:37] <false> Well it could read back every 30 seconds, when it's giving you directions
[14:16:38] <jdh> I bought a computer, mounted all the stupid pickups and magnets... then noticed the LCD had a bad spot in it.
[14:16:43] <false> But doesn't sound very practical
[14:17:22] <false> You couldn't return just the computer
[14:17:25] <false> ?
[14:17:35] <jdh> no, had to return everything
[14:17:50] <false> Sounds like good aftersales :P
[14:18:26] <jdh> http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51M4jvrQghL.jpg
[14:18:45] <jdh> those are $2.16
[14:19:05] <false> Looks good, just don't fall, the phone is a lot more expensive :P
[14:19:31] <jdh> I have a few old iphones
[14:20:03] <false> Perfect, problem solved, just add a small solar panel and your good to go
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[15:00:52] <false> kwallace2: Are you by any chance related to pcw?
[15:02:00] <kwallace2> Not that I know of.
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[15:04:31] <skunkworks> What about mike wallace?
[15:05:04] <skunkworks> or wallace and gromit?
[15:05:22] <skunkworks> kwallace2, tormach setup?
[15:06:45] <kwallace2> Not Mike, George, Rusty or ... Sorry.
[15:07:38] <kwallace2> Maybe William?
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[15:08:40] <kwallace2> I'm working on probing for the mill.
[15:16:29] <jdh> via gcode or external?
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[15:43:03] <kwallace2> jdh: G-code so far but it's still early yet.
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[16:45:44] <IchGuckLive> hi all
[16:52:28] <pcw_home> My father was William Wallace (very common name for men of Scottish decent)
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[17:15:39] <t12> pcw: i sorted out more of the mitsu format, it takes some cutting and shifting to get something at looks like 0-2^17 then rollover
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[17:16:19] <t12> and i got the command bye (not onhand)
[17:16:24] <t12> byte
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[17:26:25] <pcw_home> so should be doable with a normal UART (I will add the autosend stuff to our UART so a timer start can do the send)
[17:28:57] <archivist> another uart device is mitutoyo serial out 52 bits with a clock
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[17:29:53] <archivist> contemplating a redneck interface here with some good old ttl
[17:30:35] <t12> i have a 7i76e on the way so i can actually test
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[17:31:08] <t12> is that a universal mitutoyo protocol?
[17:32:12] <archivist> not sure but I found a spec in one of the digimatic manuals
[17:32:39] <t12> pcw: is there a non-expensive development platform for producing fpga stuff for the mesa cards
[17:33:03] <archivist> t12
http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/mirror/Mitutoyo/ in one of those
[17:33:46] <t12> will check when not on phone
[17:34:21] <t12> been meaning to learn fpga stuff, just havent had projects that really require it
[17:34:39] <t12> maybe doing this kind of encoder stuff would be a good way to get into it
[17:34:48] <archivist> to get the right manual take the link off
http://www.archivist.info/cnc/screw_error/
[17:35:58] <archivist> its the one with the longest name
[17:36:51] <IchGuckLive> t12: you are the man all waiting for 7i76e
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[17:42:21] <pcw_home> The Xilinx tools are free
[17:43:54] <Jymmm> Have jumper cables always been copper clad aluminum?
[17:43:54] <pcw_home> for playing around(as are Altera and Lattice tools)
[17:44:17] <pcw_home> good ones are welding cable
[17:45:03] <Jymmm> But other than welding cables
[17:45:17] <Jymmm> I'm not trying to start a mac truck
[17:46:02] <archivist> good ones are copper
[17:47:01] <t12> IchGuckLive: this whole project is about self-tortue
[17:47:42] <IchGuckLive> i see and we aprichiate all and stand bye you
[17:47:56] <Jymmm> Seems that unless you want to spend $174 USD at the autoparts store, they're all CCA these days
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[17:55:09] <archivist> Jymmm, fleabay 261311837397 that says you are not looking hard enough
[17:58:32] <Jymmm> 10ft, not long enough.
[17:59:20] <archivist> you can get any length !
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[18:06:15] <cradek> my venerable jumper cables are about 6'
[18:06:44] <cradek> I don't know why you'd want longer
[18:07:08] <cradek> good ones that are thick and stiff enough to actually work take up a lot of space
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[18:13:50] <pcw_home> Now thats a big servo motor:
[18:13:51] <pcw_home> http://www.hgrinc.com/buyOurs/inventoryItemDetail.do?inventory_num=09131560101&itemName=FANUC+SERVO+MOTOR
[18:16:43] <skunkworks> only 200kw
[18:16:47] <skunkworks> ;)
[18:18:28] <archivist> the machine turns or else
[18:19:49] <IchGuckLive> im off BYE
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[19:06:15] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/280995722145?lpid=82 WELDING CABLE 4/0 RED 30’
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[21:37:38] <_DJ_> gn8
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[22:02:40] <saki`> hey all
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[22:48:37] <false> hey guys
[22:50:30] <false> Think I (well not me) killed my 7i64 :(
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[22:58:09] <andypugh> How is that possible?
[22:59:05] <andypugh> Unless you fed it more than 50V it should be tough as boots.
[22:59:32] <false> Well, someone was tiding up the cabinet with the pc and part of the 24vdc circtuit powered. Long story short: upper pins of jumper w5 and or w6 got 24v
[22:59:40] <false> lights out
[23:00:00] <andypugh> Ah. I can see that 24V on logic pins would be bad
[23:00:02] <false> for a split second, but it seems dead
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[23:00:12] <false> jep
[23:00:31] <andypugh> PCW: Likely to be fixable?
[23:00:53] <false> I think the pic is broken, but beyond that I dont know
[23:02:16] <false> Some quick examination leads me to believe the jumpers connect to the PIC . But PCW probably knows where to look, or just throw it away and order a new one.
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[23:03:03] <false> Which would suck because I just got the ATC to function like I wanted :(
[23:04:26] <andypugh> I wonder if a generic replacement PIC can be re-programmed?
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[23:05:36] <false> I would need the program from PCW, which I could imagine he'd wanna keep to himself, and I wouldn't blame him.
[23:06:49] <false> The PIC itself I can order, but maybe this whole situation has compromised the reliability of the card, in which case I will order a new one
[23:06:53] <PCW> Its a ~$2.00 pic but you would need a PIC programmer
[23:07:08] <false> The programmer I have
[23:08:05] <andypugh> Maybe replace the PIC to keep things going, and also order a replacement? Then you have a dev-quaility board
[23:08:19] <PCW> as long as nothing else was damaged, let me see where W5/W6 go
[23:08:21] <false> PCW: could this have damaged anything else, or would the PIC be the only thing that's damaged
[23:08:36] <false> beat me to it :P
[23:10:17] <PCW> unfortunately W5 and W6 go to the CPLD
[23:10:33] <false> :(
[23:11:16] <PCW> I can send a JEDEC file but the chip is more pain to replace than the PIC
[23:12:56] <false> How would I place the JEDEC ?
[23:13:49] <false> Ordering a new board would probably take less time, I would need to order the chip too
[23:14:15] <PCW> You would need a JTAG programmer
[23:16:30] <false> Phow, I have one.... somewhere. But I wouldn't know where to start. Used it back in the day to flash satalite receivers :P
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[23:16:50] <false> start searching that is
[23:17:10] <PCW> Probably need one compatible with Xilinx programming software
[23:17:30] <PCW> (I have a PCB for the parallel port one)
[23:18:34] <PCW> you can return it and we can try and fix if its only the CPLD
[23:18:45] <false> Replacing the chip would be no problem, I have a hot air and a stereo. But if i order monday morning I'll have a new one on wednesday.
[23:20:26] <false> I didn't order at mesa directly, I bought it at you dealer in europe (mesanet.eu).
[23:20:48] <false> I'll just order a new one, stupid mistakes happen, but I need the machine running :P
[23:22:53] <false> Thanks for offering to send your files, most companies don't even consider that kind of service!
[23:23:50] <PCW> if you email mei can return the JEDC file and hex for the PIC
[23:23:52] <PCW> (probably just the CPLD is fried, but since its used by the PIC to
[23:23:53] <PCW> read jumper settings, the PIC probably wont communicate)
[23:24:35] <PCW> (should you want to fix it in your spare time)
[23:24:52] <false> I will do that, these things come in very handy
[23:25:39] <false> Currently only have 4 outputs left, and all the inputs are taken.
[23:27:01] <false> Can I PM you on the forum for you email?
[23:28:25] <false> Come to think of it, I can combine this with another order I have to place there anyway, saves me shipping.
[23:29:12] <PCW> PeterCWallace@mesanet.com
[23:29:13] <PCW> (just the initials)
[23:29:30] <false> Ok thanks! (again)
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[23:43:33] <false> PCW: love the bunny signature :P
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[23:51:44] <saki`> okay
[23:51:46] <saki`> so
[23:52:34] <saki`> what's the cheapest CNC i can make that has very high resolution and does a 6 x 6 inch area?
[23:53:10] <saki`> i want to use it to make molds to cast silicone models out of
[23:54:29] <saki`> if i have a say 500 to 600 dollar budget
[23:54:35] <jdh> heh
[23:54:44] <jdh> molds out of plastic?
[23:57:28] <saki`> yeah sure
[23:57:50] <saki`> tooling board i think its called
