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[00:00:21] <andypugh> I was using whale oil for heat treatment in the 90s
[00:01:16] <andypugh> I think the reasoning was that it worked, they had hundreds of gallons in stock, and _not_ using it all up would be morally worse.
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[00:21:51] <jesseg> sounds like a whale of a fun thing
[00:23:27] <jdh> unless you are a whale.
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[00:30:35] <andypugh> Whales are ungulates, you know. When they have hooves, they are two-toed.
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[00:40:23] <uw> wait wat
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[02:16:13] <somenewguy> woo hoo network access in the shop finally!
[02:16:22] <somenewguy> and reliable even
[02:16:34] <Tom_itx> simplifies things ehh?
[02:19:15] <somenewguy> sooooo much
[02:19:30] <somenewguy> don't need to rely on printouts and my horrible memory
[02:20:00] <somenewguy> looking up reference material is a big plus, maybe now I can get my joystick doing the things it should
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[02:24:20] <MacGalempsy> evening all
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[02:28:22] <somenewguy> that was quick
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[02:53:15] <somenewguy> so I see the tool table, but where does the fixture table hide?
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[02:57:35] <Tom_itx> in the .var file i think
[02:59:43] <Tom_itx> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/2.4/html/gcode_coordinates.html
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[03:08:34] <somenewguy> yep, straightforward enough, thanks
[03:08:53] <somenewguy> shame there is nothing in axis to view them directly
[03:09:13] <somenewguy> I have two vices and a goldfishes memory
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[03:09:31] <somenewguy> although I bet there is an add on somewhere, now that I have the internet I can find and GET it!
[03:13:10] <NickParker> So is there any sort of guide for getting set up with my mesa 6i25 card? I don't mind if it's absurdly esoteric.
[03:15:53] <NickParker> I've got the card in a PC with reasonably (20k) latency, and I know what sorts of inputs the various systems of my mill need. what do I do from here?
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[03:18:33] <NickParker> I've got almost the exact same mill as kwallace btw, and IIRC I need to use type 9 in stepgen
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[03:23:26] <Tom_itx> start mapping the io to the machine
[03:23:40] <Tom_itx> pwm, io etc
[03:23:53] <Tom_itx> the bit file will determine how the mesa card is set up
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[04:09:36] <NickParker> thanks for the pointer Tom_itx, i'm reading about the bit file now.
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[06:40:43] <NickParker> Is the 6i25 supported?
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Mesa_Cards doesn't list it under supported FPGAs, and under I/O card in pncconf I don't see it as an option.
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[06:47:26] <_DJ_> moin
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[06:57:56] <t12> evening'
[06:59:35] <t12> width=8 poly=0x01 init=0xff refin=false refout=false xorout=0x00 check=0xce name=(none)
[06:59:38] <t12> width=8 poly=0x01 init=0xff refin=true refout=true xorout=0x00 check=0xce name=(none)
[06:59:41] <t12> BIN S 10111010 01 11011101 01 10111001 01 11111111 01 10010111 01 11111111 01 10110101 01 11110011 01 11111110 01 10110100
[06:59:44] <t12> HEX S ba dd b9 ff 97 ff b5 f3 fe b4
[06:59:47] <t12> DEC S 1111 10010111 11111 : 130719
[06:59:50] <t12> BIN S 10111010 01 11011101 01 10111001 01 11110010 01 10011111 01 11111111 01 10110101 01 11110011 01 11111110 01 10110001
[06:59:53] <t12> HEX S ba dd b9 f2 9f ff b5 f3 fe b1
[06:59:56] <t12> DEC S 0010 10011111 11111 : 130964
[06:59:59] <t12> BIN S 10111010 01 11011101 01 10111001 01 11110101 01 11100000 01 10000111 01 11110101 01 11110011 01 11111110 01 11110001
[07:00:02] <t12> HEX S ba dd b9 f5 e0 87 f5 f3 fe f1
[07:00:05] <t12> DEC S 0101 11100000 10000 : 4218
[07:00:06] <Jymmm> WTH
[07:00:07] <t12> BIN S 10111010 01 11011101 01 10111001 01 11111101 01 11101000 01 10000111 01 11110101 01 11110011 01 11111110 01 11110001
[07:00:10] <t12> HEX S ba dd b9 fd e8 87 f5 f3 fe f1
[07:00:13] <t12> DEC S 1101 11101000 10000 : 4475
[07:00:16] <t12> is latest decode
[07:00:16] <Jymmm> t12: PASTEBIN
[07:00:18] <t12> looks like start 0xba stop is the position request
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[07:13:52] <mrsun_> hmm the piece i was going to make my collet chuck out of seems to be face hardened :/
[07:14:06] <mrsun_> it has now eaten two hss cutters :P
[07:15:32] <archivist> and those holders I found were too expensive you said :)
[07:16:03] <mrsun_> hehe =)
[07:16:11] <mrsun_> well regrinding hss steel isnt to hard :P
[07:16:27] <mrsun_> and i never said they were to expensive, i said i cannot afford it right now =)
[07:17:22] <Jymmm> mrsun_Just put on your fishnets and hit the corner
[07:17:51] <mrsun_> say what?! :P
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[07:36:12] <Loetmichel> mornin'
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[10:33:41] <MacGalempsy> morning
[10:33:51] <MacGalempsy> anyone around to help me out with a potentiometer question?
[10:34:34] <archivist> just ask the real question
[10:36:32] <MacGalempsy> ok. I have two 10K Ohm pots both with number 120-0009, one is to the Spindle Speed Override and the other is to the Feed Rate Override. the only difference is one is labled R1379743 and the other is R9732.
[10:36:54] <MacGalempsy> what does the R-value stand for?
[10:39:12] <archivist> dunno where you are reading that, probably nothing to worry about
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[11:05:51] <MacGalempsy> it is stamped on the back of it
[11:06:15] <MacGalempsy> the only thing I am curious is if it is linear or logrithmic
[11:06:28] <MacGalempsy> for motor it should be linear?
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[11:17:33] <skunkworks> you can measure it and see - measure the resistance at with the knob at half way...
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[13:18:40] <kengu> what is the cambam like linux cam software?
[13:20:01] <kengu> pycam and then there was one more that I liked
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[13:20:39] <archivist> I have spoken to the writer of cambam but never used it
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[13:22:17] <Eran> I am thinking of using servo motors + arduino for my 3d printer
[13:22:24] <Eran> anyone has exprience with servos?
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[13:22:54] <archivist> servos and linuxcnc, why bother with fartuino
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[13:23:42] <Eran> archivist: do you have an example of 3d printer that uses linuxcnc?
[13:24:30] <kengu> https://www.google.com/search?q=linuxcnc+reprap
[13:24:47] <Eran> kengu: ya... dumm question
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[13:25:16] <kengu> Eran: true but also my browser shows that on results page I have visited 50% of the first 10 results
[13:25:38] <Eran> kengu, archivist: thing is that arduino gives me the option to add lcd screen/etc
[13:25:54] <archivist> so does beaglebone black
[13:25:57] <Eran> kengu, archivist- and the question is why is linuxcnc is better?
[13:26:05] <kengu> Eran: i did not say that.
[13:26:15] <archivist> in built servo knowledge
[13:26:39] <Eran> archivist: I was thinking of using step/dir servo driver
[13:26:45] <Eran> http://www.geckodrive.com/geckodrive-brush-dc-drives/g320x.html
[13:27:03] <Eran> archivist: so no need for servo knowledge
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[13:28:39] <Eran> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCg6blAACBI :)
[13:28:51] <archivist> step dir is what I would call a poor mans servo, because if one axis slows the others dont know about it
[13:30:10] <Eran> archivist: good point
[13:30:33] <cradek> if you want to use linuxcnc, come to it with an open mind and find the best solution to your problem, instead of deciding what hardware to use first
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[13:31:20] <cradek> linuxcnc is very flexible and you can use it to implement bad designs as well as good, I have some of each to prove it
[13:31:26] <Eran> cradek: well, agree. I've already built a big 3d printer, rapid moves is my problem now, so I want to go with servos
[13:32:24] <Eran> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1LF14QhNyY
[13:32:28] <Eran> ^^ mine
[13:33:25] <cradek> porcelain!
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[13:36:58] <Eran> cradek: indeed
[13:39:01] <cpresser> Eran: nice work!
[13:39:11] <Eran> cpresser: thx :)
[13:39:34] * cpresser once started a 3d-printer design for foam
[13:39:37] <cradek> do you have pics of some completed parts that came out well? some of the ones in the video looked like stress tests (things with lots of unsupported holes)
[13:39:41] <cpresser> to print LARP weapons
[13:40:43] <Eran> cpresser: studiounder.com
[13:42:06] <Eran> how hard is it to control a 3d printer using beagleboard?
[13:43:19] <kengu> Eran: i could again point you to linuxcnc beaglebone -search as that is all i know about it. but it has been done atleast
[13:43:48] <cpresser> Eran: in order to use linuxcnc you need RTAI support in the kernel
[13:44:04] <cpresser> which is available for some ARM platforms
[13:44:16] <Eran> cpresser: don't even know what is RTAI :)
[13:44:30] <cpresser> Eran: Realtime extension for the kernel
[13:44:34] <Eran> cpresser: ok
[13:45:19] <Eran> cpresser: question is if there isn't much of a different between linuxcnc and arduino boards, then I will stick to what I know well
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[13:46:06] <cpresser> Eran: basically: Linuxcnc is better :D
[13:46:14] <cpresser> you have way more features
[13:46:19] <Eran> cpresser: like?
[13:46:43] <cpresser> speed, programming in C and python
[13:46:47] <cpresser> user-interface
[13:47:27] <Eran> cpresser: user-interface is a good feature
[13:47:49] <archivist> more axes
[13:48:10] <skunkworks> Eran,
http://bb-lcnc.blogspot.com/2013/07/machinekit-2013-07-13-available.html
[13:48:12] <Eran> archivist: how about Raspberry Pi?
[13:48:14] <archivist> geared axes
[13:48:24] <archivist> pi struggles a bit
[13:48:48] <cpresser> Eran: better invest into a x86 motherboard (intel atom). its not that expensive.
[13:48:52] <skunkworks> Eran, Raspberry pi is pretty under-powered
[13:49:06] <Eran> ok
[13:49:34] <cradek> biggest feature for you is it can control servos without terrible step/dir limitations
[13:49:53] <Eran> cradek: yes, this is what I think too
[13:50:07] <Eran> cradek: all the rest is not really interesting for me (i'm not a programmer)
[13:50:16] <Eran> cradek: just want to use servos
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[13:52:58] <cradek> then you probably want to use a pc and linuxcnc 2.5 and servo interface hardware that is known to work well
[13:53:41] <kengu> how are servos controlled?-)
[13:53:42] <Eran> cradek: I will investigate that
[13:53:49] <cradek> you could consider mesa H bridge type drives, or used-market velocity mode drives like the AMC
[13:53:50] <Eran> thank you
[13:54:47] <Eran> cradek: velociy mode?
[13:54:54] <Eran> cradek: *velocity
[13:55:04] <Eran> cradek: how do I find the right servo driver?
[13:55:17] <archivist> some servos also have a torque mode as well
[13:55:31] <cradek> velocity mode is how many industrial machines run servos
[13:55:54] <cradek> yes you've hit on the hard question now
[13:56:11] <Eran> cradek: will be here in 30 minutes
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[14:43:42] <Eran> cradek: back
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[16:44:17] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[16:44:20] <kengu> hello
[16:46:34] <_DJ_> hi
[16:46:46] <IchGuckLive> :-)
[16:59:55] <somenewguy> crud
[17:00:02] <somenewguy> how do i load a tool wihout using a tool change?
[17:00:16] <somenewguy> ie I just want to make slot 5 active
[17:00:30] <somenewguy> so when I use compensation it pulls from memory, and I don't need to spec each time
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[17:07:09] <IchGuckLive> somenewguy: i m stil thinking about what you want to doo
[17:07:29] <IchGuckLive> loding a diameter is D
[17:07:38] <IchGuckLive> if you use CRC
[17:07:59] <IchGuckLive> so G41 D05 loads diameter tool5
[17:08:26] <IchGuckLive> G41 D01 loads Diameter of tool 1 into the interpreter
[17:08:46] <IchGuckLive> i think this is what you are asking for
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[17:11:17] <archivist> somenewguy, define use slot 5
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[17:11:39] <archivist> are you using gang tooling on a lathe?
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[17:35:06] <andypugh> I wonder how widely-used Glade is? Very many of my queries on Google turn up LinuxCNC.
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[18:24:14] <somenewguy> sorry I wandered off
[18:24:41] <IchGuckLive> as we got notice somenewguy
[18:24:44] <somenewguy> I am running a mill and dont use cutter comp too much cause its tricky and I'm new
[18:25:08] <somenewguy> but I have written a few chunks of code I trust that use cutter comp
[18:25:18] <IchGuckLive> its the way to do it as you can mil exact parts with different cutters
[18:25:27] <somenewguy> sso I would like them to simply use G41/42 and not spec what D
[18:25:46] <somenewguy> as I can load that manually and have it "stick" for the rest of the day
[18:26:00] <IchGuckLive> that will might kill you
[18:26:01] <somenewguy> manual tool change, no indexing on my collets, no touchoff or probe goodies
[18:26:13] <IchGuckLive> always use D for your G41/42
[18:26:45] <IchGuckLive> you can mill differend diameter for one cutter with the D
[18:26:51] <somenewguy> but if a subroutine is getting called and has a G41 in it, I would think you would not want to need to pass the D value to the subroutine
[18:27:11] <IchGuckLive> so rought takes lower D and exact a bigger one
[18:28:17] <IchGuckLive> G41 D1 ;call sub<> ; G41 D4 ;call sub <>
[18:28:24] <IchGuckLive> thats the way to do it
[18:28:56] <IchGuckLive> write your sub as you can change the D outwards
[18:29:59] <IchGuckLive> somenewguy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yM_nP9jEB24
[18:31:00] <IchGuckLive> Best of G41/G42 use is you can see your drawing messurments in the NGC
[18:31:47] <somenewguy> I am a little confused
[18:31:57] <IchGuckLive> i need to make another example with sub involved to change the D outwards of the sub
[18:31:58] <somenewguy> but then the D has to be hard-coded into each sub routine
[18:32:10] <IchGuckLive> no
[18:32:11] <somenewguy> can't watch the video, my connection is horrible out here
[18:32:35] <IchGuckLive> your D holds the offset from the path
[18:32:47] <IchGuckLive> as it is half the Diameter
[18:33:40] <IchGuckLive> your sub shoudt only include the normal path as the drawing showes and start /end somwhere outside the part or path
[18:34:00] <IchGuckLive> so you can jump in as many times on a sub call
[18:34:13] <IchGuckLive> somenewguy: are you in Europ USA ...asia
[18:36:33] <IchGuckLive> ok im off bye till tomorow
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[18:37:46] <somenewguy> usa, thanks tho
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[19:37:44] <jdh> cl
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[20:04:20] <JT_Shop> somenewguy, if you don't use the tool table then use G41.1/G42.1
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[20:12:03] <tjb1> Hello JT
[20:13:56] <JT_Shop> hi
[20:14:26] <tjb1> Sorry to inform but I have to take the plasma table over to the Mach side
[20:14:44] <jdh> *!* You're not an operator on #linuxcnc
[20:15:12] <tjb1> :)
[20:16:24] <tjb1> I live in a different area now and my dad doesn't know how to use Linux
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[20:21:44] <Jymmm> tjb1: and remote access was thus created
[20:23:14] <tjb1> no internet
[20:25:10] <jdh> interesting concept.
[20:25:22] <Jymmm> then get him some interwebs
[20:25:47] <tjb1> satellite is too expensive
[20:25:48] <jdh> perhaps it's time to put him in a home.
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[20:26:18] <Jymmm> jdh: lol, thats so fucked up =)
[20:28:39] <somenewguy> hey if he aint good for anything anymore..
[20:29:39] <Jymmm> tax writeoff as a dependant?
[20:29:44] <somenewguy> jt-shop, I do use the tool table, no real reaason tho, i suspect a G41.1 would be better, then everything is more obvious
[20:30:11] <somenewguy> also I saw that there is a iirc read only var that will tell you the diam of the currently selected cutter, maybe that is how I should do it here on out
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[20:30:57] <somenewguy> question on something that tripped me up comeing here from mach3, is that my coordinate system keeps reverting to G54 during the day. I know it defaults to it on boot up, but why does end of a program revert to G54?
[20:31:16] <somenewguy> at first I thought only if I cancled/estoped, but it looks like hitting a M2 also reverts to the default offsets
[20:33:21] <jdh> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/m-code.html#sec:M2-M30
[20:33:46] <Jymmm> andypugh: Check this out (look at the manual pdf to see how it works)
http://www.harborfreight.com/brake-fluid-bleeder-92924.html
[20:34:59] <andypugh> Used to have one of those that you connected to the spare wheel as an air supply.
[20:36:16] <jdh> I have a Mighty-Vac I mainly use for leak testing scooters, but also works well for bleeding. The reservoir is too small though.
[20:36:20] <jthornton> somenewguy, have you read all the neat things M2 does?
[20:37:22] <Jymmm> andypugh: I like how it has a reservoir fill bottle too
[20:37:52] <Jymmm> andypugh: lol, spare tire, that's slick idea
[20:38:11] <jdh> like an old VW windshield washer
[20:38:28] <Jymmm> andypugh: I like that this thing has an bleeder screw adapter
[20:42:04] <somenewguy> no, I thought M2 was the simple one
[20:42:20] <somenewguy> I know there are more than one way to stop a cat in linuxcnc, I didn't learn the differences tho
[20:42:25] <jthornton> somenewguy, better read up on all M2 does
[20:42:36] <somenewguy> I just have a note here that says "use M2, is simple, good4now"
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[20:42:57] <jthornton> if you don't have a preamble that sets up your environment each time you run a file your asking for problems
[20:44:18] <somenewguy> I don't even know what exchange pallet shuttle means lol
[20:44:35] <somenewguy> yes I need to re-create my old template I was using in mach3
[20:44:55] <jthornton> have you seen my tutorial on G code?
[20:44:57] <somenewguy> I had copied it, but have yet to put it onto this machine, just a pile of harmless pre and post amble commands
[20:45:01] <somenewguy> no, I would love to tho
[20:45:47] <somenewguy> andypugh: I made one of those bleeders for less from parts lying around, and a few from HF I think lol
[20:46:22] <jthornton> http://www.gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/g-code/index.html
[20:46:48] <somenewguy> I take it the M2 is the simpplest stop? I could roll my own, but I think I will just stick to a post-amble with annotations so I can remember what each item does
[20:47:04] <somenewguy> its impresive to me how quick I am remembering who does what, but still a cheat sheet is the best sheet
[20:47:34] <andypugh> The vehicles I work on most use steel rods. This is a steel rod fluid leak:
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/fD_QhcOeJDHeedZMgZS1RNMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[20:47:43] <somenewguy> thank you, I will read that over tonight so I can get better at this faster
[20:49:05] <somenewguy> what are you working on? I only caught the link to the HF one man bleeder
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[20:57:34] <_DJ_> gn8
[20:58:09] <tjb1> Anyone know anything about magnetic clutches?
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[20:58:14] <tjb1> Like torque limiting, not on/off
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[21:22:23] <sliptonic> A couple months ago I started playing with the RTOS preview and then put it aside. I'd like to dust it off and play some more but it doesn't look like the rtos-integration-preview3-merged-into-master branch has change in a long time. Is there a branch that mirrors master more closely? Particularly looking for a fresher version of gmoccapy.
[21:25:15] * JT_Shop thinks no beeps is bad news
[21:26:15] * sliptonic agrees
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[21:26:43] <cradek> sliptonic: just looking at
http://git.linuxcnc.org/gitweb?p=linuxcnc.git;a=heads -- unified-build-candidate-3 looks like a good ... candidate
[21:28:13] <sliptonic> Thanks. Will try it.
[21:37:15] <sliptonic> hmmm. Seems to be missing rtapi.conf.in in scripts.
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[21:51:43] <JT_Shop> well it ain't the monitor
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[22:14:44] <JT_Shop> put a speaker in and you get the beep codes
[22:17:45] <CaptHindsight> JT_Shop: have a link to your anodizing howto?
[22:18:51] <CaptHindsight> nevermind I found it by backup up through your site
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