#linuxcnc | Logs for 2013-10-09

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[00:01:48] <andypugh> I actually do pretty much all my CAM by hand, with a text editor.
[00:02:11] <andypugh> Don't go imaginign that I spend much time actually making stuff, I am too busy making the stuff to make stuff.
[00:03:03] <joebog> wow ???
[00:03:06] <joebog> ok :)
[00:03:31] <joebog> like me Im the engineer thats never made any parts either :D
[00:03:46] <joebog> just the wiring and power supplies
[00:04:10] <joebog> I do use Qcad for my electrocs schematics though
[00:04:21] <joebog> Ive never needed
[00:04:27] <joebog> CAM
[00:06:33] <andypugh> The bits of complex CAM that I have done, I have so far used PyCAM. Which works, but is _dreadfully_ slow
[00:07:06] <joebog> OK
[00:07:30] <joebog> I was gtonna purchase oine of these for my indexing head any comments ??
[00:07:35] <joebog> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Promotion-Cheap-2-4-phase-Nema34-Stepper-motor-driver-256micsteps-7-8A-/271275429567?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f29468ebf
[00:08:05] <joebog> it "should" connect straight up to that breakout board I have
[00:08:31] <andypugh> Should be fine, I have been using what appears to be an almost identical driver on my lathe for years.
[00:08:45] <joebog> excellent :)
[00:08:52] <joebog> thanks for feedback again
[00:08:53] <andypugh> Parallel port?
[00:08:57] <joebog> yup
[00:09:00] <joebog> parr port
[00:09:12] <joebog> only need 4 axis and I actually have 5
[00:09:20] <andypugh> I think you will need to wire current-sinking and invert the step pulses
[00:09:47] <joebog> may play with complete speed control setup for main cutter motor with last free axis port
[00:10:10] <andypugh> See how they have a +5V for each signal, and then the signal terminal because there are nput optos?
[00:10:25] <joebog> heh heh heh dont worry !! Ill be pickin yer brains again when it arrives from China :D
[00:10:53] <joebog> yep I see that
[00:11:20] <joebog> I "should" be ok, but Ill scream if I run into probs :)
[00:11:43] <joebog> and you MUST let me know if theres anything I can do in return !!!!
[00:12:47] <andypugh> I might need advice on trapping wallabies? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-23802777
[00:12:57] <joebog> ha ha ha ha
[00:13:04] <joebog> VERY difficult !!!
[00:13:08] <andypugh> Keeps turning up in my mum's garden.
[00:13:14] <joebog> we mostly use a rifle to trap them
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[00:13:35] <joebog> they can rip you openh with 1" long nails on those back legs !!!!
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[00:14:21] <andypugh> Even then, I think shooting it would not go down well with the owner.
[00:14:36] <joebog> if ya wanna try we use a "drop cage" ( door drops closed when wobbaly steps on trapdoor) use apple as bait
[00:15:09] <joebog> minimum wire cage mesh wire is 1/8"
[00:15:29] <joebog> DO NOT TRY pat it
[00:15:38] <joebog> moves faster than a bloo0dy snake
[00:15:56] <andypugh> I think it is quite a small one.
[00:16:03] <joebog> yep
[00:16:14] <joebog> and about 3 times stronger than you :)
[00:16:24] <andypugh> That's not saying much :-)
[00:16:32] <joebog> ssshhhhh
[00:18:09] <joebog> thinkin about that, I cant jump 6 feet fences in a single bound either !!!
[00:18:41] <joebog> they dont even need a runup !!!
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[00:19:59] <MacGalempsy> andypugh: any direction on what I need to start reading up on for the LINUXCNC interface?
[00:20:08] <joebog> I just noticed that Newing Hall is in Leeds too !!
[00:20:17] <MacGalempsy> i see those boards you have mentioned are 240 buck.
[00:20:31] <andypugh> Yeah, they used to be <$100
[00:20:55] <MacGalempsy> that is for both, a cable and mounting bracket, so not horrible
[00:21:09] <MacGalempsy> still cheaper than full motor replacement
[00:21:16] <andypugh> Ah, you mean the 5i25 / 7i77 ? Yes, that's about $240
[00:21:25] <andypugh> I thought you meant the D525MW
[00:23:16] <andypugh> For eading matter: http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/ perhaps System Requirements, Mesa Config Wizard, Running LinuxCNC...
[00:23:27] <MacGalempsy> does this one look acceptible? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Carputer-Car-PC-w-D525MW-2Gb-DDR3-M2-ATX-250Gb-HDD-/160562671119?pt=Desktop_PCs&hash=item256247ee0f
[00:24:42] <MacGalempsy> night andypugh
[00:24:50] <MacGalempsy> oops
[00:26:09] <andypugh> That Carputer looks like a good controller for a parallel-port based system, but the 5i25 / 7i77 needs a PCI slot.
[00:26:43] <joebog> heh heh heh MacGalempsy, ya gonna CNC yer car and write G-code as ya drive ???
[00:26:45] <joebog> :D
[00:27:04] <MacGalempsy> yeah, you know. machine bigger turbos
[00:27:14] <MacGalempsy> 500hp aint enough anymore
[00:28:10] <MacGalempsy> this one has a pci slot http://www.ebay.com/itm/1U-Supermicro-Intel-D525-Atom-Server-SSD-included-/250743449848?pt=COMP_EN_Servers&hash=item3a617968f8
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[00:30:35] <andypugh> This ought to be OK: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883265547
[00:31:15] <andypugh> Even has a second PCI cutout for the second port of the 5i25 if you ever need to use it.
[00:31:57] <joebog> ya will need to remove that huge virus it comes with :)
[00:32:38] <andypugh> Luckily there is an optical drive, you can boot directly from the liveCD and never even see Windows :-)
[00:32:55] <joebog> until it uses all the ram
[00:33:03] <andypugh> Eh?
[00:33:43] <andypugh> I was meaning Boot the LinuxCNC LiveCD and install over Windows the first time you power it up.
[00:34:05] <joebog> not if its got a recovery partition !!!
[00:34:14] <joebog> windowz wont let you
[00:34:41] <joebog> its even hidden to linux !!
[00:35:05] <joebog> I had to low level format my laptop to get rid of attemt number seven
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[00:35:31] <andypugh> Yeah, that was what I was sugesting.
[00:35:39] <andypugh> Anywhow, time to sleep here.
[00:36:02] <joebog> thanks again andy
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[00:43:11] <MacGalempsy> thanks andy, ill just get that one
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[01:23:02] <s1dev> is there a general cnc help channel?
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[01:32:24] <ries> s1dev: I don't think so, but I believe it's ok to ask general CNC questions here
[01:35:48] <s1dev> I'm machining a (really simply) gear using a mill each tooth is an arc and it looks like tool diameter compensation isn't running, I'm machining it clockwise and using G41, the proper diameter is set in the tool table, and the proper tool was set with M6
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[01:42:47] <s1dev> the code works fine with offset and all when run on a simulated mill
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[01:44:39] <archivist> "a simulated mill" ?
[01:44:56] <CaptHindsight> spack: http://www.ebay.com/itm/ACROLOC-M-15L-VMC-/271286127724?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f29e9cc6c
[01:45:26] <kwallace1> What is happening that makes you think that compensation isn't working?
[01:45:30] <s1dev> linuxcnc has a simulation feature
[01:46:46] <CaptHindsight> spack: http://www.ebay.com/itm/FNC40-LEBLOND-MAKINO-CNC-VERTICAL-MACHINING-CENTER-/321222228696?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4aca563ad8
[01:46:46] <s1dev> the teeth are too small and the cutouts between the teeth are too large
[01:47:19] <archivist> s1dev, are you the right side of the line
[01:47:19] <kwallace1> So you have cut material already?
[01:47:43] <spack> i don't understand how a company that sells tons of large machinery will not test a certain machine they have for sale
[01:47:48] <spack> CaptHindsight: thanks :)
[01:48:22] <s1dev> kawallace1: yes archivist: just to make sure that I was on the right side of the line, I swapped G41 with G42 with the same results
[01:48:38] <spack> CaptHindsight: that leblong looks nice
[01:49:25] <CaptHindsight> SPINDLE SPEED RANGE - 100-10,000 RPM
[01:49:41] <spack> yeah, that's pretty nice
[01:50:11] <spack> would need to take a good 20" off the top to get it into the garage :)
[01:50:17] <kwallace1> s1dev: So, my first guess is that G41/42 thinks your cutter radius is 0.
[01:50:31] <CaptHindsight> after I rebuild the Matsuura I'll look for something like the Leblond
[01:50:49] <spack> do you run all these machines, or sell them, or both?
[01:50:56] <CaptHindsight> spack: build a dormer in the garage :)
[01:51:09] <spack> hehe
[01:51:24] <s1dev> kwallace1 which is odd because I'm not sure what could cause it
[01:51:28] <spack> the ceiling actually isn't the issue, but i was trying to convince my friend to install a larger roll up door on the side
[01:51:30] <CaptHindsight> spack: I use them from time to time making protos
[01:53:26] <archivist> s1dev, have you loaded(set) the correct tool and has that tool got the right diameter in the table
[01:53:32] <s1dev> yes
[01:54:53] <CaptHindsight> spack: http://www.ebay.com/itm/DYNA-MECHTRONICS-DYNA-MYTE-2800-BENCHTOP-CNC-MILL-MILLING-MACHINE-/331021338322?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4d1268c6d2
[01:54:56] <CaptHindsight> heh
[01:55:27] <spack> heh
[01:55:46] <spack> that's interesting
[01:55:48] <archivist> s1dev, you have to have missed something http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/2.4/html/gcode_tool_compensation.html#sec:Cutter-Radius-Compensation
[01:55:59] <spack> we have a roland micromill
[01:56:00] <spack> and a taig
[01:56:04] <CaptHindsight> the control is almost as big as the mill
[01:56:06] <spack> was hoping for something really big
[01:56:21] <spack> but somehow that is also a logical step up.
[01:56:30] <spack> i say go big or go home, though
[01:56:51] <CaptHindsight> must be why I'm home now :)
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[02:03:31] <s1dev> http://pastebin.com/NFj98wv8
[02:03:38] <s1dev> can't think of anything I'm missing
[02:04:07] <s1dev> and looking at that link and comparing it, there's nothing that appears to be missing
[02:04:53] <kwallace1> s1dev: Another thing that comes to mind. I recall putting the G41/42 behind '/'. The forward slash makes the block optional so you can run the program through a sim config with and without compensation and see if the paths are different.
[02:05:05] <archivist> the tool table entry
[02:06:01] <archivist> has the sim and the real got the same tool table
[02:06:12] <s1dev> same entry for that tool
[02:06:26] <s1dev> and the number was changed for the slot
[02:08:13] <s1dev> with G41 commented it in the sim, it changes to the expected uncompensated toolpath
[02:08:22] <s1dev> *commented out
[02:08:46] <s1dev> could it be that the tool table wasn't commited to the machine?
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[02:10:57] <kwallace1> So the path changed between uncompensated and compensated?
[02:11:49] <s1dev> on the sim it did, I won't be able to get to the machine until tomorrow
[02:12:06] <archivist> you can cut air on the real with/without g41 to prove too
[02:12:34] <s1dev> I was planning to chuck up a marker tomorrow
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[02:13:29] <kwallace1> If you change the tool table, it will need to be reloaded.
[02:13:44] <s1dev> how is that done in CNCLinux?
[02:14:08] <archivist> there is a button on axis to reload the tool table
[02:14:43] <s1dev> thanks I'll try that
[02:15:42] <kwallace1> The tool editor can do it too: http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/2.5/html/gui/tooledit.html
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[02:17:38] <s1dev> how is it done in EMC2? the software that is used is based off of 2.4.3
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[02:18:40] <cradek> it's on the file menu!
[02:19:11] <s1dev> nevermind, shouldn't be too difficult to figure out
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[02:48:15] <somenewguy> so I have only been using linuxCNC for 24 hours now, but can I say for the record THANK YOU CONTRIBUTORS!
[02:49:01] <somenewguy> if the magical dxf=>gcode tool works I only have two quick items on the list tonight that I have to make, and after that I will elt myself play w/ configs again
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[04:24:52] <somenewguy> newbie question here, but /proc/bus/input/devices wil show all recognized input devices, correct? not just ones plugged in over USB?
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[05:31:12] <somenewguy> also can I run ngcgui subroutines outside of axis?
[05:31:32] <somenewguy> this machine refuses to boot axis, but I want to generate some code to take to the shop tomorrow, so I was hoping to do that here
[05:31:58] <somenewguy> this machine only has linuxcnc installed casue I got bored and watned to test something, clearly it was a failure but this laptop has no purpose in life now so I have yet to reformat
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[08:28:09] <MacGalempsy> reading all this documents about the linux mesa setup seems like there are quite a few settings to have to figure out
[08:28:40] <MacGalempsy> Loetmichel: are you around?
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[08:59:40] <MacGalempsy> i am curious if one can place an electric touchprobe in the ATC?
[09:00:13] <MacGalempsy> and insert that into the code prior to machining
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[09:08:42] <The_Ball> I need a couple of ADC input to LinuxCNC any ideas for a simple method?
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[09:09:07] <DJ9DJ> moin
[09:10:37] <The_Ball> MacGalempsy, are you following me? ;)
[09:10:55] <MacGalempsy> nope. im just a noob
[09:11:14] <The_Ball> MacGalempsy, there are wireless touch probes used for that, expensive but very very accurate
[09:11:34] <MacGalempsy> that sounds very cool
[09:11:59] <MacGalempsy> once I get this conversion done, I
[09:12:19] <The_Ball> MacGalempsy, http://www.renishaw.com/en/rmp600-high-accuracy-touch-probe--8880
[09:12:31] <MacGalempsy> will get more into the bells and whistles
[09:13:14] <The_Ball> not hobby stuff though, ATC are on the border of hobby stuff, what are you converting?
[09:13:17] <MacGalempsy> its exciting that the hardware is very precise
[09:13:26] <MacGalempsy> benchman xt
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[09:17:07] <The_Ball> nice!
[09:17:36] <MacGalempsy> thnx. it should be here next week, then the real work begins
[09:17:39] <The_Ball> that would be a fun conversion, mesa cards?
[09:18:08] <MacGalempsy> if everything works out, all I have to do is change the breakout board and motion card.
[09:18:25] <MacGalempsy> yeah, that is the consensus since it is dc servo controlled
[09:18:47] <MacGalempsy> so now I am reading up and watching youtube videos
[09:23:55] <The_Ball> awesome, one day I'll do a conversion like that
[09:25:02] <MacGalempsy> once this machine is up and going, the plan is to make enough stuff to sell and get a building somewhere
[09:28:29] <The_Ball> cool, don't know anything about that
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[10:47:27] <jthornton> 9c here at the moment
[10:50:12] <jthornton> Jymmm, wake up
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[11:26:48] <The_Ball> jthornton, long time since I've been on here, how are you going?
[11:27:30] <jthornton> doing good here, only one machine left to convert this winter
[11:28:59] <The_Ball> good stuff, if your workshop is heated :)
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[11:29:21] <jthornton> and very insulated finally
[11:30:18] <The_Ball> I'm about to insulate mine, but for the opposite reason, have a 8KW AC unit in there, hehe
[11:30:58] <The_Ball> have you got any ideas on hooking up a couple of ADCs to HAL?
[11:31:29] <The_Ball> I'm about to put a plastic extruder onto the mill and want to do PID control of the heaters
[11:32:01] <jthornton> I think there was some discussion on the forum about this
[11:32:11] <jthornton> that is above my pay grade
[11:32:38] <The_Ball> hehe
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[12:28:54] <MacGalempsy> jthornton: nice tutorial
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[12:31:14] <jthornton> which one?
[12:31:21] <Tom_itx> any of em :)
[12:32:49] <skunkworks> all of them? ;)
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[12:39:28] <jthornton> http://www.gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/configs/pncconf-7i76.html
[12:50:46] <CaptHindsight> looks like it's time to hang up Linuxcnc, apparently all you need is an ARM Cortex-M3 and their software kludge http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/logxen/smoothieboard-the-future-of-cnc-motion-control
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[12:52:19] <skunkworks> cool :)
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[13:03:52] <kengu> CaptHindsight: i am waiting for one of those
[13:04:36] <kengu> the problem is that the interface is not still great compared to linuxcnc axis gui
[13:06:32] <CaptHindsight> kengu: kidding, it's lacking many things
[13:07:39] <kengu> i am thinking of putting it on a nonexisting laser cutter
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[14:02:52] <Jymmm> jthornton: at 9c, I'm turning up my heated mattress pad and NEVER getting up =)
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[14:24:11] <JT_Shop> Jymmm, I got a clue from the eye pad the other day on vacation
[14:24:31] <JT_Shop> can't sync eye cloud unless connected to wifi and plugged in
[14:24:39] <Jymmm> jthornton: The Butler in the kitchen with the candlestick?
[14:25:27] <Jymmm> jthornton: why would you be using icloud?
[14:28:00] <JT_Shop> I don't use it, but I think my daughter set it up for my wife for some reason
[14:28:12] <Jymmm> ah
[14:28:29] <JT_Shop> so I think the constant syncing ran up the usage
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[14:30:40] <JT_Shop> at this point I'm only using 30% of my daily quota
[14:30:52] <JT_Shop> since turning off all wifi to eye things
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[15:15:48] <kwallace> So Apple invents these fancy devices and software, but 99% of us don't have the network bandwidth to use them.
[15:17:32] <Jymmm> and yet they still make lots of money
[15:17:41] <ReadError> 99% ?
[15:17:42] <ReadError> what
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[15:21:02] <kwallace> ReadError: My opinion is based on my perception that 99% of the people I know have metered service, which gets too expensive when one actually uses the service. I could just be grumpy this morning.
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[15:21:51] <Jymmm> kwallace: you in the uk?
[15:22:35] <kwallace> No, I'm in California, next door to Silicon Valley.
[15:22:48] <Jymmm> kwallace: Where?
[15:23:07] <Jymmm> stockton?
[15:23:36] <Jymmm> Fresno?
[15:23:50] <kwallace> https://mapsengine.google.com/map/edit?mid=zYBp-56SNjFs.kq5jQfmiJAYU
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[15:24:11] <Jymmm> bad link
[15:25:10] <kwallace> Oops, well I'm in Groveland next to Yosemite Park.
[15:25:57] <Jymmm> Um, that's not NEXT DOOR to silicone valley in the least.
[15:26:48] <JT_Shop> no, just us poor slobs that live outside the loop and have to use satellite
[15:28:22] <Jymmm> Nothing says you can't put up a tower
[15:28:59] <Jymmm> If you're in BFE, you kinda expect nothing to be around.
[15:29:25] <Jymmm> Assuming you actually bought the land you are on.
[15:29:32] <Jymmm> not just renting
[15:29:40] <JT_Shop> tower to where?
[15:29:47] <Jymmm> UP
[15:29:56] <JT_Shop> to connect to what?
[15:29:59] <Jymmm> 100+ feet in the air
[15:30:04] <Jymmm> microwave link
[15:31:21] * JT_Shop hopes the fiber they buried up by the road brings something
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[15:32:08] <kwallace> I have WiFi so I can get decent upload capacity, but usually people around here have WiFi, satellite, or cell; all metered.
[15:32:09] <Jymmm> JT_Shop: 2 years
[15:32:43] <Jymmm> kwallace: you're at 3100ft, you should be able to hit something
[15:34:45] <kwallace> PG&E put or has access to fiber on our street to connect to our SmartMeter, but the phone company won't provide fiber Internet.
[15:35:36] <Jymmm> http://www.velociter.net/index1.html
[15:38:55] <kwallace> Jymmm: Escalon is too far and it looks like they have similar pricing to the two ISPs we have here.
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[15:55:50] <JT_Shop> Jymmm, http://mobroadbandnow.com/regional-planning/ozark-foothills/
[16:03:30] <kwallace> JT-Shop: We have seen these planning things come and go a few times around here. A rural Internet grant is offered, Pac-Bell or ATT writes an application, they get the money, and that's the end of it.
[16:04:26] <JT_Shop> the fiber is in the ground 1.6 miles from my house and all over the place around Butler county
[16:04:27] <archivist> over here BT (national provider) takes all the cash from grants and then rapes the users
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[16:08:20] <kwallace> JT-Shop: A cheap WiFi router could do the last 1.6 miles, but technology is not the hard part. Do you know anyone at the end of that fiber?
[16:15:06] <JT_Shop> I don't think the fiber is connected to anything yet
[16:15:22] <JT_Shop> it's not the end it just goes by
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[16:43:50] <c60> Anyone have recommendations on CAM packages? I've been using Enroute, contemplating upgrading...
[16:48:44] <mrsun_> does vacuum work under the same "rules" as hydraulic stuff ? or air ... that is, can i amplify the power of a vacuum by sucking it throught a narrower passage? :()
[16:48:57] <mrsun_> like i can when blowing air
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[17:02:12] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
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[17:08:10] <DJ9DJ> hi there
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[18:16:10] <IchGuckLive> by
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[18:17:47] <ReadError> i need to teach IchGuck to spell bye next time i see him ;)
[18:18:26] <_DJ_> hehe
[18:18:36] <_DJ_> you will need to teach him a lot of other words also ;)
[18:19:20] <_DJ_> i hope his german is better ;)
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[18:22:06] <archivist> but..he said he was born in the USA
[18:23:37] <archivist> as an englishman I find most german users english near perfect most of the time
[18:23:58] <archivist> with one exception
[18:27:02] <_DJ_> really?
[18:27:27] <_DJ_> i would expect that most native english speakers think that most germans speak terrible english
[18:28:39] * _DJ_ is german, so i am allowed to say that ;)
[18:28:48] <archivist> on the contrary, rarely do I see poor english from germans
[18:29:05] <archivist> Dutch are pretty good too
[18:29:33] <archivist> I am terrible at languages apart from tyop
[18:29:58] <_DJ_> tyop?
[18:30:40] <archivist> typo
[18:30:47] <_DJ_> hrhr
[18:30:56] <_DJ_> i just googled tyop ^^
[18:31:16] <_DJ_> urban dictionary... yep ;)
[18:32:41] <archivist> I spent time as a kid in Libya and learned a bit of arabic, french etc but none of that really stuck
[18:34:23] <_DJ_> ui, nice
[18:35:29] <archivist> I just pick up odd words, and then use them in the wrong country, on our stall at a flea market "Te Koop"
[18:36:03] <_DJ_> hihi
[18:36:23] <archivist> fella walk up and asks why we put that, my reply was to catch a dutchman
[18:36:42] <_DJ_> haha
[18:36:52] <_DJ_> ah, now i understand the meaning :)
[18:36:59] <_DJ_> "to buy"? ;)
[18:37:01] <ReadError> i thought you would need like GANJA 420 to attract the dutch
[18:37:04] <archivist> to sell
[18:37:17] <archivist> te huur is to rent
[18:37:24] <_DJ_> yeah, to sell for you, to buy for the customer ;)
[18:37:43] <archivist> he brought me a printed sign a couple of years later
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[18:39:59] <_DJ_> :-)
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[19:13:45] <ReadError> well
[19:13:52] <ReadError> in america they only teach us 'murican
[19:16:28] <kengu> what ever
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[19:26:14] <Jymmm> JT_Shop: and you dont know anyone in the blue area? http://mobroadbandnow.com/files/2013/07/HighSpeed_OzarkFoothills.jpg
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[19:37:45] <Jymmm> http://gizmodo.com/how-the-nsa-deploys-malware-1442836903
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[19:53:24] <Jymmm> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=iJN5vPslElc
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[20:02:41] <JT_Shop> Jymmm, yea, I'm in the blue area
[20:04:48] <Jymmm> JT_Shop: how many acres are you on?
[20:04:57] <JT_Shop> 9
[20:05:31] <Jymmm> JT_Shop: Toss up a tower, get microwave link and be done with it
[20:06:34] <Jymmm> JT_Shop: you can even put camera and machien gun at the top too
[20:06:54] <_DJ_> remote controlled, hm
[20:07:56] <Jymmm> JT_Shop: can add a wifi AP on it too!!!
[20:08:18] <Jymmm> JT_Shop: sell wifi to your neighbors
[20:08:39] <Jymmm> JT_Shop: pays for tower.... PROFIT
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[20:15:25] <Jymmm> JT_Shop: 89ft crank up tower http://www.ustower.com/#!__product-pages/ham-towers/vstc11=tx-series
[20:15:33] <Jymmm> self supporting
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[20:17:14] <JT_Shop> who do I get microwave from?
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[20:17:27] <Jymmm> JT_Shop: zipcode?
[20:17:39] <JT_Shop> 63901
[20:21:05] <ReadError> blazing fast 3MBIT down
[20:21:08] <ReadError> woh
[20:24:33] <Jymmm> JT_Shop: http://semo.net/internet-service/wireless/
[20:25:16] <JT_Shop> they don't serve this area any more
[20:25:34] <JT_Shop> that was my service provider for a long time
[20:25:51] <Jymmm> JT_Shop: for wireless?
[20:26:35] <Jymmm> JT_Shop: Would you be willing to put up a tower?
[20:26:38] <JT_Shop> yea
[20:27:17] <JT_Shop> the tower would have to be 150' min to clear the trees between here and town
[20:27:26] <Jymmm> JT_Shop: Then I'd talk to them. You could get them to even pay you to permit them access /lease space on your tower
[20:27:30] <JT_Shop> maybe 200'
[20:27:47] <JT_Shop> they had a tower out here and took it down
[20:28:09] <Jymmm> JT_Shop: did they say why? lost their lease?
[20:28:49] <JT_Shop> got sued
[20:28:55] <Jymmm> for?
[20:29:02] <Jymmm> infrigment?
[20:29:13] <JT_Shop> causing too many lightning strikes LOL
[20:29:28] <Jymmm> oh gawd
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[20:30:00] <Jymmm> JT_Shop: Well, talk to them anyway. Having elevation like that goes a long ways
[20:31:01] <JT_Shop> I'm not the highest point by a long shot and if the tower didn't serve the rich people across the hyw it is not cost effective
[20:31:36] <Jymmm> JT_Shop: You could just resell wifi to them =)
[20:32:23] <Jymmm> JT_Shop: like at the coffee shops one day, one week, one month access at a time
[20:32:36] <JT_Shop> not enough density to make it worth the upfront cost
[20:33:06] <Jymmm> JT_Shop: doesn't matter, you get internet, and someone pays for it over time
[20:33:11] <JT_Shop> otherwise someone would have done it years ago when Brian asked for investors
[20:33:45] <Jymmm> JT_Shop: its not a business venture, just gets you reliable unmeteed internet
[20:34:13] <Jymmm> till they do somethign with that fiber =)
[20:34:39] <Jymmm> JT_Shop: or, if you know your neighbors, you could create a mesh network
[20:35:06] <JT_Shop> in the mean time I have a 2 year commitment on the satellite internet
[20:35:42] <Jymmm> Well, it might take you that long todo the mesh
[20:36:06] <Jymmm> anyhow...
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[21:01:31] <JT_Shop> good idea anyhow
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[21:14:07] <_DJ_> gn8
[21:14:16] <JT_Shop> Weee I get to use G55
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[22:04:07] <Tom_itx> let them put a cell tower up there too
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[23:38:06] <owhite> hello people. I havent built a cnc system for about 5 years, but I'm thinking of putting something together. The last system was made using gecko drivers to servo motors with encoders. I'm wondering if people are still using gecko drivers for servos or is something else still cost effective?
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[23:47:31] <andypugh> It depends on the motors, to an extent. I think the Gecko drives are only for brished motors?
[23:48:27] <andypugh> (Brushed, I mean)
[23:49:10] <owhite> yes, brushed.
[23:49:59] <andypugh> Would you be looking to use brushed again, or perhaps brushless?
[23:50:07] <ries> Hey all, if you have a mill (metal) and you program a couple of operations with a specific tool. Can you be in a situation that you want to have collant on/off per type of operation?
[23:50:17] <owhite> I used G320s.
[23:50:40] <owhite> yep, I want to use the same brushed motors I have.
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[23:51:31] <andypugh> Pico have some options: http://pico-systems.com/osc2.5/catalog/index.php?cPath=3
[23:52:19] <owhite> thanks...lookng
[23:52:37] <andypugh> And Mesa have the 7i29 which is $300 but does handle 2 motors per card.
[23:53:16] <andypugh> (and is rated at twice the voltage of the Gecko card).
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[23:54:09] <andypugh> The Granite drives habe a pretty heat-sink: http://granitedevices.com/servo-drive-vsd-e
[23:54:25] <MacGalempsy> evening guys
[23:55:12] <andypugh> Hi
[23:58:07] <owhite> well it sure doesnt look like the prices have changed much.
[23:59:56] <andypugh> There are also Leadshine drives on eBay. Somewhat cheaper: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Digital-DC-Brush-Servo-Drive-80VDC-20A-Leadshine-DCS810-/330786828563?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4d046e7113