#linuxcnc | Logs for 2013-06-17

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[00:15:04] <pcw_home> Looks about correct though you should probably change the package name
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[00:30:43] <atom1> i tried running it and got errors
[00:31:06] <atom1> i did rename it temporarily
[00:32:41] <atom1> [ 9080.330863] hm2_7i43.0: firmware: requesting hm2/7i43-4/SVST2_4_7I47SS.BIT
[00:32:41] <atom1> [ 9080.334307] hm2: bitfile has invalid header
[00:35:20] <atom1> something wrong with the sserial tag in the top structure
[00:36:05] <atom1> (SSerialTag, x"00", ClockLowTag, x"01", SSerialCommandAddr&PadT, SSerialNumRegs, x"10", SSerialMPBitMask),
[00:40:56] <pcw_home> looks alright to me
[00:42:03] <atom1> i may have messed something up copying it over. i'm gonna try it again
[00:42:39] <atom1> i wasn't sure how to set up the script to compile it so i renamed it to the original filename
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[00:55:33] <atom1> pcw_home, do you have a build_bit.sh that works with 14.5 ?
[00:55:50] <atom1> i'm trying to use an old one i had for 9.2
[00:56:09] <atom1> or build.py or whatever it needs...
[00:58:55] <pcw_home> No I just build via the GUI
[00:59:09] <atom1> how do you launch that?
[00:59:14] <atom1> i'm using terminal right now
[00:59:19] <atom1> in linux
[00:59:48] <pcw_home> not sure ('ISE' maybe)
[00:59:55] <atom1> not really that xilinx savvy
[01:00:28] <atom1> heh, no
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[01:01:14] <pcw_home> If you turn on the debug options in your ini file you can ge more detailed HM2 idrom debug info
[01:01:32] <pcw_home> (man hostmot2)
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[01:02:22] <atom1> i set debug back to 0... just changed it back to 0x7FFFFFFF
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[01:54:45] <atom1> ok i think i got the build file to work
[01:55:13] <atom1> seems to be taking alot longer as i recall with 9.2
[01:59:32] <pcw_home> Are you using the source from mesa?
[01:59:50] <atom1> yes
[02:00:03] <atom1> it finished but i ended up with a .PIN file not a .BIT file
[02:00:16] <atom1> and an .xml and .vhd
[02:00:43] <atom1> i did 2 at once, the normal 7i47 one and mine
[02:00:47] <atom1> they both compiled
[02:01:05] <atom1> and ended up in the fw/7i43-4 directory
[02:01:16] <atom1> that seemed normal
[02:02:35] <atom1> stopped with an ERROR 2 on the compile apparently
[02:02:53] <pcw_home> did you change the package name, if not you will probably overwrite the bit file with the last one made
[02:03:00] <atom1> yes
[02:03:14] <atom1> the name in the file matches the filename
[02:03:28] <atom1> i'll repost what i have
[02:03:36] <pcw_home> yeah if you dont have a bit file, there was a compile error
[02:03:56] <atom1> i might revert to 9.2 because i know it worked
[02:04:02] <atom1> or will that not be new enough?
[02:04:14] <pcw_home> it will fail on the new source
[02:04:39] <atom1> you wanna try to compile the vhd?
[02:05:06] <pcw_home> like any compile you need to grok the error messages
[02:09:30] <pcw_home> If run from a script you probably need to find where the error messages are logged
[02:09:55] <Tom_itx> yeah
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[02:12:42] <pcw_home> "error 2" is a bit to vague
[02:13:12] <atom1> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/cnc/configs/sherline/bitfiles/
[02:13:30] <atom1> that's the original file and the xml and pin it generated
[02:14:22] <atom1> i'm sure it's an issue with the script
[02:14:41] <atom1> since i copied it over from 9.2 and modded it
[02:16:34] <atom1> i copied the .sh and firmware.txt files over as well
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[02:28:24] <atom1> haha
[02:28:41] <atom1> i think i got the gui to launch
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[02:32:09] <pcw_home> the sh file will not match the current source very well
[02:32:51] <atom1> how do you compile from within the ide?
[02:33:00] <atom1> i managed to launch it and load the file
[02:34:35] <pcw_home> load the file?
[02:34:49] <atom1> opened it in the project manager
[02:35:00] <pcw_home> opened what?
[02:35:24] <atom1> pin_svst2_4_7i47ss.vhd
[02:35:41] <pcw_home> You will have to open a project file
[02:36:25] <pcw_home> try hm2epp.xise
[02:37:38] <atom1> oh, don't create a new one?
[02:39:11] <atom1> what directory are they in?
[02:40:30] <pcw_home> they are in the zip file
[02:40:30] <Tecan> http://i.imgur.com/ZQ1k3n5.jpg
[02:40:34] <Tecan> checkit :)
[02:40:47] <atom1> oh from mesa?
[02:40:48] <atom1> hmm
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[02:45:13] <andypugh-iPhone> Bored! My flight time meant getting to the airport 8 hours before departure. Four hours to go.
[02:45:23] <atom1> heh
[02:46:03] <atom1> do you happen to know what time to show up at the meeting place?
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[02:46:20] <andypugh-iPhone> The only thing open is Costs coffee. I can't even pass the time by getting drunk.
[02:46:47] <andypugh-iPhone> (Which is probably a good thing)
[02:47:46] <atom1> zlog
[02:47:47] <zlog> atom1: Log stored at http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~tom-itx/irc/logs/%23linuxcnc/2013-06-16.html
[02:49:24] <skunkworks> andypugh-iPhone: have a good trip! See you wednesday
[02:53:23] <andypugh-iPhone> The trip nearly started badly, I managed to dither long enough to end up catching the very last train to the airport.
[02:54:26] <andypugh-iPhone> Though there would have been to walk it. In fact I did once. It took 4.5 hours.
[02:54:41] <skunkworks> yikes
[02:55:21] <andypugh-iPhone> I was young and foolish at the time.
[02:56:08] <andypugh-iPhone> Ok, logging out.
[02:56:18] <atom1> have a good flight
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[05:55:14] <Loetmichel> mornin'
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[06:12:02] <Tecan> mernin
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[07:00:35] <DJ9DJ> moin
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[09:06:29] <RyanS> Looks like I have committed myself to designing a cnc mill..
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[09:40:06] <mrsun> wasnt that stupid? :)
[09:42:22] <RyanS> Probably. I have recruited assistance .. Not going to try and reinvent the wheel
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[11:48:08] <R2E4> WOW..... its quiet around here.
[11:54:44] <RyanS> Yes it is
[11:56:12] <R2E4> yeah, I 'm debating....... camsoft or Linuxcnc
[11:56:47] <R2E4> for a hitachi seiki VM40 with Sanyo Denki drives and motors.
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[12:06:29] <RyanS> have a large garage? :P
[12:09:50] <R2E4> hehe.... yes
[12:10:32] <R2E4> I just got a Bridgeport R2E4 going, purchased mesa boards but used existing controller. everything works, so no need to upgrade.
[12:10:55] <R2E4> Just got the Hitachi VM40, and controller is snafued!!!!
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[12:12:26] <RyanS> Are you from the US? They seem to have heaps of used machines available.... Not the case in Australia
[12:12:43] <R2E4> I am in Canada.
[12:13:23] <archivist_herron> I wouldnt dream of buying some closed source expensive stuff, your abilities once linuxcnc is learned are limited by the contents of your brain
[12:13:43] <jthornton> aye
[12:15:30] <R2E4> I know Linux ok. not a pro by any means, I used to use Slackware back in the day. Pre kernel 1.
[12:16:08] <R2E4> I have a few concerns though. It seems complicated re: HAL, and PLC programming.
[12:16:43] <jthornton> HAL only has a couple of commands...
[12:16:44] <R2E4> The same applies I have noticed now compared to back then, is the documentation.
[12:17:45] <RyanS> "Open the pod bay doors HAL"?
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[12:18:03] <jthornton> "will I dream?"
[12:18:16] <R2E4> The other issue is the accuracy. IS LinuxCNC hobbyish or can it compete with the big boz...
[12:18:20] <R2E4> boyz...
[12:18:35] <jthornton> accuracy is in your machine or not
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[12:18:51] <jdh> boys
[12:19:03] <jthornton> I don't understand your statement about the documentation...
[12:20:49] <R2E4> I may be wrong, but what I meant was lack of docs, and/or the complexity of the docs and the beginners not being able to grasp an understanind though the docs.
[12:21:27] <jdh> there are lots of docs. Finding out which doc you need before you understand is sometimes difficult. Same for any complex system though.
[12:21:35] <R2E4> accuracy is in the machine...... not sure but the controller has alot to do with it........ no?
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[12:22:31] <jthornton> have you actually read the docs starting with the Getting Started Guide?
[12:22:48] <R2E4> no I have not.
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[12:23:32] <jthornton> how can you comment on the docs if you have not looked at them?
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[12:24:31] <R2E4> I didnt say I haven't looked at them. I just answered your question. I have been through the docs, I did not read the Getting started guide completely.
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[12:24:51] <jthornton> oh, I misunderstood
[12:25:21] <R2E4> I should and will read it if I decide to go with LinuxCNC
[12:25:44] <jdh> what is your other choice?
[12:26:14] <R2E4> The 5 billion dollar retrofits..... ajax, camsoft....
[12:26:54] <R2E4> I have mesa boards allready... I'm just searching for the nerves I must have lost somewhere.....
[12:27:23] <jthornton> what kind of machine is it?
[12:28:15] <R2E4> The bottom line is, the existing control wont work without purchasing control boards which are vey expensive.....in the 2-3 thousand dollars worth. the new controls will cost 3-4000 worth.
[12:29:03] <R2E4> Jthorton; it is a three axis VMC with a 20 position tool changer. and i think the spindle is servo's also.
[12:29:24] <R2E4> Hitachi Seikli VM40 with Sanyo Denki drives and servos.
[12:29:49] <jthornton> do the drives take +-10v?
[12:29:56] <R2E4> yes
[12:30:50] <jthornton> do you have encoder feedback from the servos?
[12:30:59] <R2E4> yes
[12:31:16] <jthornton> that is the easiest conversion to do
[12:31:38] <jthornton> I converted my Anilam BP and Hardinge CHNC
[12:32:00] <R2E4> http://www.wotol.com/1-hitachi-seiki-vm-40-3-axis-vertical-machining-ce/second-hand-machinery/prod_id/554769
[12:32:09] <R2E4> that one is the exact same machine'
[12:33:02] <jthornton> nice machine
[12:33:26] <R2E4> hehe.... yeah, it looks really nice.
[12:34:53] <R2E4> It has like 8 differnet motors not counting the axis servos, coolant, mist, conveyor..... hydraulic ...
[12:39:13] <jthornton> the usual procedure is to hook up and test one at a time...
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[12:46:16] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[12:47:17] <IchGuckLive> i got a problem i got 25 identical education mashines and also the PC is the same on some mashines the same g-code takes 5min to load and on some it is strait on the screen
[12:47:56] <IchGuckLive> runnung on 2.6.pre 4490
[12:48:47] <IchGuckLive> i need to say that some are set up from the 2.5.0 and some may got the livecd bevor that 2.4.x
[12:49:45] <IchGuckLive> but i dont know how is how as th üplaces change all the time but 4-6 got this hint ad 15 mashines are the older ones
[12:49:56] <IchGuckLive> someone got a idee
[12:51:54] <Andy1978> IchGuckLive: Ich nicht verstehen tu was du sagen willst ;-)
[12:52:20] <jdh> find the common version/config/etc on the slow ones.
[12:53:12] <IchGuckLive> jdh: is this a file
[12:53:14] <RyanS> is swinging a 6kg chuck too much to ask from a 750 watt lathe?
[12:54:09] <archivist_herron> depends
[12:54:20] <jthornton> on the gear ratio
[12:54:53] <archivist_herron> and speed you want and the cutting you want to do
[12:56:18] <archivist_herron> and the viscosity of the oil in the bearings if plain
[12:59:24] <RyanS> sigh. One can adapt the process to suit? Or take back to the shop get smaller
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[13:03:45] <IchGuckLive> Andy1978: i try a frech install on this troublmakers from 2.5.0
[13:04:07] <IchGuckLive> gpart the device clen
[13:04:28] <IchGuckLive> by till 9pm berlin time
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[13:20:39] <dosas> hi i'm having trouble with my .hal file
[13:20:49] <dosas> i'm trying to set it up according to this http://www.anderswallin.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/temp_control_pid_new.jpg
[13:20:56] <dosas> in the top line
[13:21:14] <dosas> everything is fine until pyvcp.temp-freq
[13:21:21] <dosas> it also shows in axis
[13:21:41] <dosas> but the temperature display does not work it is always zero
[13:21:56] <dosas> net temp_freq frequency2temperature.0.frequency-in
[13:22:02] <dosas> net temp_degrees frequency2temperature.0.temperature-out
[13:22:07] <dosas> net temp_degrees pyvcp.temp-degrees
[13:22:10] <cpresser> dosas: use hal-scope and see if you can see the input-pwm
[13:22:19] <dosas> i/m not using pwm
[13:22:26] <dosas> i'm just setting up the temp readin
[13:22:28] <dosas> the top line
[13:22:37] <dosas> i see the frequency
[13:22:41] <dosas> and it is fine
[13:22:46] <dosas> but i do not see temperature
[13:23:02] <dosas> but i'm unsure with the net commands i used
[13:24:06] <dosas> are they right?
[13:25:11] <cpresser> dont know :)
[13:25:23] <cpresser> but all those nets only have one pin, that looks odd
[13:26:00] <cpresser> each net should have one net-name and at least two pins connected to it (1 input, 1..n outputs)
[13:27:51] <dosas> okay thanks
[13:30:54] <dosas> the documentation says
[13:30:57] <dosas> singal pin
[13:31:07] <dosas> and the signals can be seen as wires
[13:35:20] <dosas> there is a function or parameter temperature_out
[13:35:27] <dosas> do i have to setp it
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[13:36:44] <dosas> because the halmeter shows that frequency-in gets something
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[13:41:03] <R2E4> IS there a database with machines retrofitted with EMC?
[13:45:19] <dosas> what else could i do to debug it
[13:45:29] <dosas> or could the error be in the self written component
[13:45:51] <dosas> because it gets input but does not always output 0
[13:51:05] <dosas> when i look at the halmeter
[13:51:27] <dosas> i also have two parameters called frequency2temperature.0.time
[13:51:33] <dosas> and frequency2temperature.0.tmax
[13:51:42] <dosas> even though these functions are defined nowhere
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[13:57:07] <jdh> http://www.starmarinedepot.com/smd/images/prodimages/ThMarine/ZZ15391.jpg
[13:57:09] <jdh> <urk>
[14:00:19] <Jymmm> jdh: ?
[14:04:24] <Jymmm> jdh: Looks like a railing bracket.
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[14:11:16] <R2E4> HAs the PNCconf been updated for the new mesa boards yet?
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[14:30:59] <JT-Shop> which new board?
[14:31:11] <JT-Shop> Mesa has hundereds of boards
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[14:33:38] <R2E4> 5i20 and 7i...hmmmm something.... let me look what I bought. 6 months ago....
[14:35:47] <R2E4> The pair that is used for servo's. Have to check tonight when I get top the shop
[14:36:55] <R2E4> I think its the 7i77
[14:37:33] <pcw_home> I sure the 5I20 and 7I33/7I37 are supported, pncconf may have some limitations with
[14:37:34] <pcw_home> 7I48 which require hand HAL editing (but you pretty much always need to do this to some extent anyway)
[14:38:36] <pcw_home> The 7I76/7I77 are supported by the latest pncconf (which may be included with linuxcnc 2.5.2, not sure)
[14:38:48] <R2E4> I had linuxcnc and your boards installed but pncconf did not have it at the time, 6 months ago. I think you sent me a start file to use
[14:39:48] <pcw_home> in addition to pncconf you need install the xml files for the 7I77 to use pncconf with it
[14:39:56] <R2E4> I will see..... psw: I got my R2E4 running with existing controller so no need to upgrade. I have since obtained a hitachi seiki vmc 3 axis 20 tool changer servo spindled machine that the controller is not working.
[14:42:19] <JT-Shop> R2E4: there is an install script for the xml files on the forum in the pncconf section if you have the 5i25/7i77
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[14:50:01] <dosas> okay i found the solution
[14:50:28] <jdh> does it involve alcohol?
[14:50:30] <dosas> didn't know that the function needs the thread
[14:50:32] <dosas> addf frequency2temperature.0 servo-thread
[14:50:35] <dosas> almost
[14:50:39] <dosas> it was taht clsoe
[14:51:01] <dosas> now i'm writing if i was drunk
[14:51:51] <Jymmm> dosas: What makes you think your not drunk?
[14:52:22] <dosas> i got it work
[14:55:53] <Jymmm> pcw_home: How's the ethernet board/driver coming along?
[14:56:56] <dosas> off to solder heater circuit
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[15:03:37] <pcw_home> Ethernet needs RTNet which needs Xenomai so mostly waiting for simpler Xenomai/RTNet packaging
[15:03:39] <pcw_home> (and driver improvements)
[15:04:03] <Jymmm> pcw_home: Ah, ok.
[15:07:53] <Jymmm> pcw_home: Wait, why?
[15:08:30] <Jymmm> pcw_home: Isn't all the RT stuff offloaded to the card?
[15:09:40] <zultron> base thread is offloaded, but still need the servo thread, which is RT even though it doesn't have as strict RT requirements.
[15:09:58] <zultron> drive-by comment. ;)
[15:10:06] <Jymmm> =)
[15:10:16] <Jymmm> http://diy.powet.eu/2012/07/25/raspberry-pi-xenomai/
[15:10:50] <Jymmm> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?RaspbianXenomaiBuild
[15:13:19] <zultron> Xenomai's ARM port is a quickly moving target right now. You should check the status of Xenomai 3.8.x kernels on RPi.
[15:13:52] <Jymmm> With no reflection upon Mesa, sometimes I think that all the HW related things in lcnc are overrated. You see ppl tossing lcnc on pi's and other things, not dealing with latency, video cards, etc.
[15:14:46] <Jymmm> I know it's not perfect and all, and lots of issues, but their Nike approach seems to work for them.
[15:16:58] <Jymmm> Embed lcnc into some HW device (Monster FPGA) and have everything else just be a dumb console for UI.
[15:18:48] <Jymmm> Make/sell it like an open hardware project (arduino style). Make a couple of bucjs to support future development, etc
[15:18:57] <Jymmm> bucks*
[15:19:34] <Jymmm> Toss it up on that project funding site
[15:19:53] <Jymmm> get $100K for startup costs.
[15:22:42] <Jymmm> I could park in front of Xilinx with a sign that reads http://xilinx.linuxcnc.org/ and everything =)
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[15:27:20] <Jymmm> Damn, OSH filed for BK, Lowes is going to buy them out.
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[15:37:37] <pcw_home> I haven't been it a real hurry until some of the smoke settles on the LinuxCNC Xenomai stuff
[15:37:39] <pcw_home> then driver cleanup, update firmware for 2 packet mode etc
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[15:39:06] <Jymmm> 2 packet mode?
[15:39:37] <Jymmm> pcw_home: and why packets instead of frames?
[15:40:07] <Jymmm> TCP/IP is bloat
[15:41:07] <pcw_home> current (3 packet) mode is host sends read data request, 7I80 sends read data, host sends write date
[15:41:08] <pcw_home> 2 packet mode is host receives read data, how sends write date (and delayed read data request in write packet)
[15:41:22] <pcw_home> s/how/host/
[15:41:44] <Jymmm> so, half-duplex comms?
[15:42:04] <pcw_home> Yes
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[15:42:51] <Jymmm> Hmmm, seems like a waste. Too much overhead for full duplex?
[15:43:10] <pcw_home> this is inherent in the way the a real time control loop runs (cant send data until read data is processed
[15:43:21] <Jymmm> ah
[15:43:46] <pcw_home> since you dont know what to send
[15:44:24] <pcw_home> 7I80 just uses UDP
[15:44:37] <Jymmm> pcw_home: icmp too?
[15:44:57] <pcw_home> yes icmp echo only
[15:45:02] <Jymmm> ah
[15:45:06] <pcw_home> and arp
[15:45:44] <pcw_home> and bootp
[15:45:45] <Jymmm> arp could be exploited, if one felt like writing new protocols
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[15:46:39] <FinboySlick> Jymmm: Expand on that last bit.
[15:46:43] <pcw_home> trying to keep it as simple as possible (currently just 2K of code space)
[15:49:16] <FinboySlick> Jymmm: You mean exploted as in filling the arp table, or as in doing something useful with it beyond the scope of what ARP normally does?
[15:49:31] <Jymmm> FinboySlick: beyond
[15:49:52] <FinboySlick> Then I'm curious.
[15:51:49] <jdh> arp is just a nicety. I have some stuff that requires MAC addresses (some GE/Fanuc PLCs, Parker/Compumotor controllers)
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[15:52:20] <dosas> what do i do if i have a halpin "mypin" in .xml and pyvcp.my-pin in .hal
[15:52:34] <dosas> but linuxcnc says otherwise?
[15:52:56] <dosas> of course my-pin in .xml
[15:53:28] <FinboySlick> jdh: I guess in industrial applications it's not that bad, especially for someone used to do rs485 and what not.
[15:53:48] <JT-Shop> you must put any pyvcp nets in the postgui file
[15:53:54] <jdh> it's not like you woudl be using random devices on a normal LAN
[15:54:22] <FinboySlick> jdh: Sort of sucks to have to reconfigure both sides when something gets replaced though.
[15:54:39] <Jymmm> FinboySlick: Being at a lower (OSI) level, less overhead = better performance. can be one-to-many or one-to-one, abuse the protocol to Tx/Rx commands/status
[15:54:41] <JT-Shop> dosas: understand?
[15:55:22] <FinboySlick> Jymmm: Well, yes. But would that have anything to do with ARP? I think what you're talking about is just using ethernet transport.
[15:55:38] <Jymmm> FinboySlick: pretty much.
[15:55:40] <jdh> raw ethernet frames have less overhead
[15:55:56] <Jymmm> jdh: Yeah, frames would be even better
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[15:56:49] <jdh> and I hate seeing 'arp-who-has'
[15:56:51] <FinboySlick> Jymmm: On large setups it would become problematic though.
[15:57:01] <Jymmm> FinboySlick: define large?
[15:57:16] <FinboySlick> Few hundred devices.
[15:57:20] <dosas> JT-Shop:ah
[15:57:33] <FinboySlick> You end up with a giant broadcast domain.
[15:57:44] <Jymmm> FinboySlick: This isn't a LAN, it's a method to control ONE machine.
[15:57:59] <FinboySlick> Which you can't isolate without doing funky things that would essentially put back all the overhead you were trying to save.
[15:58:08] <Jymmm> FinboySlick: There isn't three steering wheels in this car, mkay =)
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[16:10:30] <pcw_home> ARP makes the 7I80 more convenient to use and ARP is supported by RTNet
[16:10:31] <pcw_home> (one time probe at startup)
[16:12:28] <pcw_home> obviously you cannot use normal ARP with timeouts and random traffic in a fast RT context
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[16:41:08] <Loetmichel> re @ home
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[16:52:09] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
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[17:17:39] <CaptHindsight> Tom_itx: there's a string of hotels along W. Kellog ave near ICT, are these all nearby the fest?
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[17:18:59] <Tom_itx> pretty much
[17:19:04] <Tom_itx> the Hampton is the closest one
[17:19:14] <Tom_itx> the Holiday inn express by the airport is brand new
[17:19:24] <CaptHindsight> looks like you guys have sold out the Wichita Inn, Hampton and the La Quinta :)
[17:19:33] <Tom_itx> confort inns are right behind the wallmart just off dugan rd which is by the airport
[17:19:52] <Tom_itx> it's not far even if you find one downtown
[17:20:06] <Tom_itx> i wouldn't go to the east side though
[17:20:12] <Tom_itx> midtown there's a hilton
[17:20:34] <CaptHindsight> there ~10 on Kellog available
[17:20:37] <Tom_itx> and another holiday inn express i think (it's changed hands about 4 time)
[17:20:47] <Tom_itx> yes quite a few by the airport
[17:21:06] <Tom_itx> the Hapmpton was just the closest to the fest
[17:21:36] <Tom_itx> there's a whole slew of them between the airport and West street
[17:21:39] <CaptHindsight> the Doubletree looks far north around W 21st & Ridge
[17:21:55] <Tom_itx> that's quite a ways away
[17:22:03] <Tom_itx> lots of traffic there too
[17:22:08] <CaptHindsight> whats the intersection near the fest?
[17:22:21] <Tom_itx> 54/400 & West
[17:22:28] <Tom_itx> south approx 2 miles
[17:22:36] <Tom_itx> so around pawnee & West
[17:22:51] <Tom_itx> between Harry & Pawnee on West st
[17:23:04] <Tom_itx> on the East side of the road
[17:23:22] <KimK> Tom_itx: Are you going to be able to stop by anytime?
[17:23:27] <CaptHindsight> within walking distance of a few hotels
[17:23:32] <Tom_itx> I plan to come friday
[17:23:47] <Tom_itx> if i can get free i may swing by for a bit another day
[17:23:51] <Tom_itx> but not for the whole day
[17:24:04] <KimK> OK, great, I'll look forward to meeting you
[17:24:26] <Tom_itx> nothing to show really, just to see what's goin on
[17:24:51] <Tom_itx> KimK what time should ppl show up?
[17:25:00] <CaptHindsight> any plans for tornado's or 100+ F days?
[17:25:19] <Tom_itx> we got rain last night so it's a bit cooler but muggy
[17:25:23] <Tom_itx> that could change in an hour
[17:26:11] <Tom_itx> some places had high winds but i didn't see em
[17:26:29] <CaptHindsight> is it an easy walk from around 54/400 and 235 or should I rent a car?
[17:26:48] <Tom_itx> no place to walk there really
[17:26:55] <Tom_itx> i suppose you could
[17:27:06] <CaptHindsight> just grass, curb and road
[17:27:16] <Tom_itx> you can't really cross over at 235 & 400
[17:27:32] <Tom_itx> there's a floodway ditch to cross between the hotels there
[17:27:43] <CaptHindsight> 47 hour car rental is only $40
[17:28:01] <dosas> i/m trying to set up a pid loop
[17:28:08] <Tom_itx> 54/400 gets kinda crazy at times
[17:28:11] <dosas> net temp_setpoint pid.0.command
[17:28:25] <dosas> which should read it's setpoint from pyvcp panel via
[17:28:30] <dosas> net temp_setpoint pyvcp.temp-setpoint
[17:28:51] <dosas> does this look correct
[17:29:15] <dosas> because i always get the same error on start saying that temp-setpoint is not there
[17:29:19] <dosas> but it definetly is
[17:29:25] <IchGuckLive> doe in the postgui file ?
[17:29:25] <dosas> so could this be another error
[17:29:33] <dosas> yes
[17:29:35] <dosas> i do
[17:30:08] <dosas> it recognises all the the other pins
[17:30:12] <dosas> but not this one
[17:30:18] <IchGuckLive> is it a reprap for the plastik forward move
[17:30:33] <dosas> so i thought maybe the traceback is wrong
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[17:30:42] <dosas> yeah the heater circuit
[17:30:59] <dosas> so pid.o.command is a float
[17:31:10] <dosas> does it need a -in flag
[17:31:20] <dosas> because all the other poins just display values
[17:33:04] <IchGuckLive> http://www.reprap.org/wiki/EmcRepStrap
[17:33:32] <dosas> yes i have seen this apge
[17:33:44] <dosas> but this is not a reprap problem but pid and pyvcp
[17:34:24] <IchGuckLive> http://geo01005-ideas.blogspot.de/
[17:34:27] <Tom_itx> there was a large Hudson meet here over the weekend at one of the hotels, that was kinda neat
[17:34:42] <IchGuckLive> doas this last link got the pid
[17:34:43] <Tom_itx> whole parking lot full of Hudsons
[17:34:59] <dosas> thank you iw ill read it
[17:35:54] <IchGuckLive> dosas: there is a halcomponent for this that does the job for you
[17:36:13] <IchGuckLive> just feed it with the right values from the pyvcp
[17:37:18] <dosas> i'm using the pid comp
[17:37:26] <Tom_itx> pcw_home, i found the hm2 files but was unable to compile the .vhd file
[17:37:39] <Tom_itx> i think there's some sort of licensing issue
[17:37:53] <Tom_itx> i'm not sure i got the right one or have it enabled properly
[17:38:07] <Tom_itx> that could also be the same "ERROR 2" i was getting on the cmd line
[17:38:14] <dosas> the thing is that linuxcnc constantly tells me 'pyvcp.temp-setpoint' does not exist
[17:39:04] <skunkworks> then that pin doesn't exist. remark it out in the hal file and then look to see what pins are acctually there.
[17:39:18] <Tecan> cool you guys are working on repstrap too
[17:40:19] <skunkworks> did you guys see.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AK_OYoNOBDQ
[17:40:19] <Tecan> (AK_OYoNOBDQ) "BeagleBone Black + BeBoPr + LinuxCNC = machinekit" by "Charles Steinkuehler" is "Tech" - Length: 0:12:02
[17:40:22] <pcw_home> the cmd line scrip will not be able to compile the mesa source
[17:40:27] <pcw_home> script
[17:40:55] <Tom_itx> i'll have to get up to speed on the ide to be able to use it
[17:41:04] <Tom_itx> i did get the project loaded
[17:41:15] <Tom_itx> i'll check the licensing later today
[17:41:19] <dosas> this error is driving me crazy if i comment out one line net temp_setpoint pyvcp.temp-setpoint
[17:41:37] <dosas> then it starts up just fine and shows the slider temp-setpoint
[17:41:43] <dosas> but with the line crash
[17:41:47] <pcw_home> licensing probably means something wrong with the Xilinx tools install
[17:42:12] <Tom_itx> i may not have attached it to the pc, ie a hdd serial no, mac address etc
[17:42:17] <jthornton> dosas, when you run your config do you see the pin in show hal configuration window?
[17:42:25] <IchGuckLive> dosas: is the pyvcp panel there and has the halpin
[17:43:04] <IchGuckLive> dosas: also anders wallin got a reprap pid component
[17:43:26] <dosas> yes the one i'm using
[17:43:31] <IchGuckLive> dosas: plese post your XML and the postgui.hal
[17:43:32] <dosas> oh my god
[17:43:34] <dosas> thanks
[17:43:41] <dosas> halmeter says -f -i option
[17:43:48] <dosas> arghh
[17:43:49] <Tecan> how are you guys getting temperature readings in emc ?
[17:44:01] <Tecan> that pythonsender thingi ?
[17:44:04] <IchGuckLive> Tecan: multiple ways
[17:44:05] <pcw_home> V-F is one way
[17:44:21] <dosas> http://www.anderswallin.net/2012/12/temperature-pid-control-part-deux/
[17:44:39] <skunkworks> http://www.anderswallin.net/2012/12/temperature-pid-control-part-deux/
[17:44:41] <skunkworks> heh
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[17:44:56] <dosas> i was faster
[17:45:05] <IchGuckLive> http://www.anderswallin.net/2010/11/temperature-control-circuits/
[17:45:10] <dosas> the circuits are described in another post
[17:45:14] <skunkworks> dosas: if you look in halmeter - does the pin exist?
[17:45:15] <dosas> there are 3
[17:45:18] <dosas> yes
[17:45:28] <Tecan> awesome thanks :)
[17:45:44] <dosas> but it is pyvcp.temp-setpoint-f
[17:45:55] <skunkworks> there tyou go...
[17:45:58] <skunkworks> there you go.
[17:46:00] <dosas> thanks a lot
[17:46:08] <dosas> did not no about integer float option
[17:46:48] <dosas> now let's see if i can heat s.th.
[17:47:17] <CaptHindsight> how about using http://axis.unpy.net/01198594294
[17:47:52] <CaptHindsight> use an arduino for the analog
[17:48:02] <skunkworks> I use that for temp in on the k&t for spindle growth..
[17:48:27] <dosas> a cool did not know taht this existed
[17:48:30] <dosas> black smoke
[17:48:34] <dosas> does not look good
[17:48:34] <CaptHindsight> I'm planning on using it to control fluids in a printer
[17:48:39] <CaptHindsight> temp and pressure
[17:49:06] <skunkworks> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-CdFd2Zakc
[17:49:07] <Tecan> (h-CdFd2Zakc) "Emc2 - Using temperature to compensate Z axis for spindle growth." by "samcoinc" is "Entertainment" - Length: 0:01:12
[17:49:26] <dosas> how do you guys get the right g codes
[17:52:09] <IchGuckLive> dosas: by right post processing the stl
[17:53:11] <dosas> okay so find one of the scripts written 4 years ago and poorly documented
[17:53:13] <dosas> i thought so
[17:53:44] <IchGuckLive> what cad are you using
[17:54:08] <dosas> good question
[17:54:13] <dosas> opencad
[17:54:19] <dosas> i think
[17:54:24] <dosas> the one on linux
[17:56:14] <IchGuckLive> you know heekscad it does adeptiv cutting(printing and got also reprap postpro
[17:56:38] <dosas> no i did not\
[17:56:40] <dosas> thanks
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[17:56:45] <IchGuckLive> sliptonic did that
[17:57:04] <IchGuckLive> !seen sliptonic
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[17:59:14] <dosas> we should open a 3 d printing wiki page on linuxcnc wiki
[18:00:34] <jthornton> anyone can add/edit the wiki
[18:00:36] <CaptHindsight> just no glue guns
[18:00:41] <IchGuckLive> dosas: as everyone trys its own need its not nessesary
[18:01:23] <dosas> documentation si always good
[18:01:29] <IchGuckLive> dosas: if you got a finaly runnning system do so GO for it B)
[18:01:58] <dosas> maybe that is why there is no such thing ;)
[18:02:06] <Tecan> is turbocad where its at ?
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[18:02:26] <IchGuckLive> im off by
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[18:03:10] <CaptHindsight> I was a little disappointed that much of the work for the BBB was only for getting a glue gun printer working
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[18:06:47] <skunkworks> CaptHindsight: no. the BBB has full linuxcnc running on it. Just people so far that are interested have repraps.
[18:07:54] <dosas> what is BBB
[18:08:04] <Tecan> Upgrade from Deluxe 18 or 19, Upgrade Price: $69.99 so a copy will run about 120 bux if you get off ebay then upgrade
[18:08:06] <jdh> beagle bone black
[18:09:40] <dosas> so you are telling em you can run linucxcnc on this thing
[18:09:49] <dosas> i see no hdmi adapter
[18:11:03] <archivist> fleabay 140994403397
[18:11:59] <CaptHindsight> BBB is the BeagleBone Black http://beagleboard.org/Products/BeagleBone%20Black
[18:12:45] <dosas> hdmi they say
[18:12:58] <dosas> and it is 45$
[18:13:04] <dosas> anyone of you using this
[18:13:15] <CaptHindsight> several of us have them
[18:13:23] <dosas> how about the latency
[18:13:33] <CaptHindsight> dosas: where are you located?
[18:13:38] <dosas> germany
[18:14:01] <CaptHindsight> latency is low, it has 2 dedicated ucontrollers for servicing irq's
[18:14:20] <CaptHindsight> TI calls them a PRU
[18:14:26] <dosas> PRU?
[18:14:42] <CaptHindsight> http://www.ti.com/product/am3359
[18:15:19] <R2E4> IS it Serial /Rs485 or just serial?
[18:15:20] <Jymmm> ~~~ LinuxCNC running on a Rasberry Pi using an android tablet as a touch interface over wifi... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLIo7TA82xE
[18:15:24] <CaptHindsight> The Programmable Real-Time Unit and Industrial Communication Subsystem (PRU-ICSS) is separate from the ARM core, allowing independent operation and clocking for greater efficiency and flexibility.
[18:15:26] <Tecan> (WLIo7TA82xE) "LinuxCNC on Raspberry Pi" by "Kinsa Manka" is "Tech" - Length: 0:04:35
[18:15:32] <pcw_home> PRU can handle stepgen and encoders but doesnt help servo thread latency
[18:15:33] <pcw_home> (what is Xenomai latency on BB?)
[18:16:50] <Jymmm> http://code.google.com/p/miniemc2/
[18:17:10] <Jymmm> EMC2 based CNC controller on mini2440 embedded board
[18:17:14] <CaptHindsight> I heard under 2uS but I haven't seen any posted tests
[18:17:29] <CaptHindsight> also a sam9 port out there
[18:17:45] <pcw_home> I think 2 usec is unlikely
[18:17:51] <CaptHindsight> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSnNtgZrfyU
[18:17:51] <Tecan> (YSnNtgZrfyU) "Linuxcnc (emc2) running on Pico-SAM9G45 and controlling Grizzly G0619 (SX3)" by "V Sa" is "Tech" - Length: 0:09:14
[18:18:33] <CaptHindsight> pcw_home: if you see any posted specs let me know, we'll probably try our later this week
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[18:18:56] <pcw_home> None at Xenomai?
[18:19:26] <pcw_home> seems like they would add it to their latency farm
[18:19:41] <CaptHindsight> http://bb-lcnc.blogspot.com/
[18:19:57] <CaptHindsight> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AK_OYoNOBDQ&feature=youtu.be no mention of what RT kernel
[18:20:46] <CaptHindsight> memleak said it was adeos ipipe
[18:21:07] <pcw_home> I think 2 usec is PRU latency not Xenomai
[18:21:38] <CaptHindsight> probably, no real answers from anyone
[18:22:41] <CaptHindsight> some work on this seems to be for some closed BeBoPr GGG printer board
[18:24:00] <CaptHindsight> http://circuitco.com/support/index.php?title=BeBoPr_Cape
[18:24:56] <Tecan> heekscad does look nice
[18:25:07] <Tecan> might take a bit to compile though
[18:25:51] <CaptHindsight> pcw_home: maybe that's why the info is incomplete
[18:27:16] <skunkworks> CaptHindsight: look through the mailing list..
[18:28:16] <CaptHindsight> skunkworks: did someone post a kernel config?
[18:29:17] <skunkworks> it is all out there...
[18:29:36] <CaptHindsight> https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/beagleboard/7XqY1iY4rKE
[18:30:00] <CaptHindsight> Xenomai support was laid over current Angstrom distro kernel
[18:30:34] <CaptHindsight> this would put Xenomai + Linuxcnc for ARM ahead of x86
[18:31:15] <CaptHindsight> pcw_home: And result...
[18:31:15] <CaptHindsight> < 100us max latency ( avg. 40us, 70us max ) with IRQ & arith load ( system load over 6.0 ) in BBB running at 1000MHz.
[18:31:54] <skunkworks> http://bb-lcnc.blogspot.com/2013/06/machinekit-image-available.html
[18:32:07] <Aero-Tec> can one do a infinite loop?
[18:32:40] <Aero-Tec> I tried to do one and it is stuck trying to open it
[18:32:47] <Aero-Tec> taking forever
[18:32:48] <skunkworks> CaptHindsight: there is a xenomai build for linuxcnc on x86 also
[18:33:02] <Aero-Tec> did a do while loop
[18:33:15] <CaptHindsight> skunkworks: what kernel?
[18:33:24] <Aero-Tec> with while [0eq0]
[18:33:27] <skunkworks> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?NewRTInstall
[18:34:08] <CaptHindsight> skunkworks: yeah, for an old 2.x kernel
[18:34:28] <Aero-Tec> not sure how many times I wanted it to run so just made it repeat over and over
[18:35:26] <CaptHindsight> seems the BBB is using kernel 3.18 putting stable ARM Real Time support for Linuxcnc ahead of x86
[18:35:32] <Aero-Tec> if one wanted to run the same code forever how would one do that?
[18:36:28] <Aero-Tec> can a sub cal a sub forever?
[18:36:45] <Aero-Tec> is there not a nesting limit?
[18:36:46] <CaptHindsight> skunkworks: we have RT-Premept working on 3.8 kernels, but page faults are killing latency
[18:37:12] <CaptHindsight> 5-10us, the jumps to >100kus due to page faults
[18:38:15] <CaptHindsight> the/then
[18:41:03] <Aero-Tec> skunkworks, can you help me with my problem?
[18:45:08] <CaptHindsight> so according to the http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AK_OYoNOBDQ&feature=youtu.be xenomai on a 3.8 kernel is stable on ARM
[18:45:30] <CaptHindsight> so ARM support is way ahead of x86
[18:47:42] <Aero-Tec> ok, hitting esc gets it out of the loop when you load it gcode
[18:47:50] <Aero-Tec> you can then run the code
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[18:52:14] <Aero-Tec> can one run a loop in Gcode untill they hit a key or do something else to exit a loop?
[18:53:08] <Aero-Tec> is there a way to key keyboard input and use that in a loop?
[18:53:44] <skunkworks> Aero-Tec: using axis?
[18:54:12] <Aero-Tec> does esc exit gcode or will it just exit a infinite loop
[18:54:16] <Aero-Tec> yes
[18:54:22] <skunkworks> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/2.5/html/gui/axis.html#_axis_preview_control
[18:54:28] <skunkworks> look at preview control
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[18:57:31] <Aero-Tec> ok that should fix the preview problem
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[18:58:25] <Aero-Tec> can one some how set a way to leave a loop by command?
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[18:59:46] <Aero-Tec> like have a very large repeat and when your ready for the next part of the code force a exit from loop and go to the next part of the Gcode?
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[19:01:30] <Aero-Tec> if one could read the keyboard in Gcode one could do a while key= [whatever] so you can keep repeating code till your done and then over to the next part of the code
[19:01:59] <CaptHindsight> http://www.wunderground.com/news/scientists-moving-15-ton-magnet-ny-chicago-20130617
[19:02:14] <Aero-Tec> is there a wait for keyboard input command?
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[19:03:14] <CaptHindsight> "The magnet will remain inert, exhibiting no magnetic properties, until it is plugged in at Fermilab" not as much fun :(
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[19:04:51] <Aero-Tec> why not build it closer?
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[19:05:56] <CaptHindsight> looks like fermilab is getting a magnet that is no longer used by a NY project
[19:06:11] <Aero-Tec> sounds nuts to move such a huge yet fragile and expensive thing over such a long distance
[19:06:20] <Aero-Tec> ok
[19:10:29] <jdh> liquid helium cooled?
[19:10:38] <Aero-Tec> so any help with the getting out of a loop by manual control?
[19:10:53] <Aero-Tec> wait for input
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[19:11:10] <Aero-Tec> if input = x then exit sub
[19:11:17] <Aero-Tec> some thing like that?
[19:11:30] <Aero-Tec> all from Gcode
[19:11:44] <jdh> loop on a boolean and change var on an input?
[19:11:47] <Jymmm> WHILE/DO
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[19:12:33] <Aero-Tec> thing is I have no idea how many times I need to loop
[19:12:58] <Aero-Tec> so I need to loop till done and then move to next loop
[19:13:28] <Aero-Tec> need a way to exit loop with out a count
[19:13:40] <Jymmm> A "WHILE" loop will always be executed at least once. while a FOR loop may never be executed. Then use the conditional to exist the WHILE loop as needed.
[19:13:56] <Jymmm> s/exist/exit/
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[19:14:28] <Jymmm> while (true) {}
[19:14:59] <Aero-Tec> how do you trigger a false?
[19:15:16] <Jymmm> change the condition within th eloop itsef
[19:15:17] <jdh> Aero: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/m-code.html#sec:M66-Input-Control
[19:15:36] <Aero-Tec> did not know one could do curly brackets in Gcode
[19:15:47] <Jymmm> Aero-Tec: It's pseudo code
[19:16:05] <jdh> oh, wait for keyboard, doubt that is possible. You could have a pyvcp button modify the conditional variable
[19:16:20] <Jymmm> {} meaning {what you want to happen goes here}
[19:16:54] <Jymmm> Aero-Tec: I'm just going you the logic involved, not actual code
[19:17:00] <Jymmm> giving*
[19:18:16] <Aero-Tec> ok
[19:18:23] <Aero-Tec> thanks
[19:18:57] <Aero-Tec> M66 looked promising but no keyboard input it looks like
[19:19:41] <Aero-Tec> one would need to put in a extra input and use HAL to make it active to use M66
[19:19:43] <jdh> #666=1 \n O111 do ... O111 while [#666 GT 1]
[19:20:15] <jdh> then have a button set #666 to zero?
[19:21:13] <Aero-Tec> could one do a input window?
[19:21:31] <jdh> no clue
[19:21:34] <Aero-Tec> ask question and wait for answer and act on answer?
[19:21:49] <Aero-Tec> loop again, yes or no
[19:22:07] <Aero-Tec> pop up window of some sort
[19:22:24] <Aero-Tec> one can do a message
[19:22:26] <jdh> I've sometimes wished I could have something simple that said " Do another pass with more Z ?"
[19:22:40] <Aero-Tec> yes
[19:23:20] <Aero-Tec> guess you have not found a way to do it yet
[19:23:36] <Aero-Tec> would have been nice option to have
[19:23:37] <jdh> nah, I decided that wasn't the right way to do ti
[19:23:59] <Aero-Tec> so what way was the right way?
[19:24:18] <Aero-Tec> I am cutting a encoder wheel
[19:24:19] <jdh> use the right finish depth
[19:24:40] <jdh> but, sometimes I just edit the code and make it deeper and add a suffix
[19:24:41] <Aero-Tec> and not sure how deep I can make the cuts
[19:25:27] <Aero-Tec> the disk is being held in a not so solid way
[19:25:45] <Aero-Tec> so I need to be careful with my cuts
[19:25:55] <Jymmm> Aero-Tec: You're not familiar with pseudo code?
[19:26:27] <Aero-Tec> not sure what it means
[19:26:38] <Aero-Tec> like your code goes here
[19:26:42] <Aero-Tec> {}
[19:27:01] <Aero-Tec> not real code but talking to the programmer
[19:27:09] <Jymmm> Aero-Tec: It's just generic logic, not any specific programming langage.
[19:27:22] <Aero-Tec> ok
[19:27:29] <Aero-Tec> close to what I thought
[19:28:22] <Jymmm> Aero-Tec: Like if I was tying to explain "nested ternary" operator (no matter the actual language used, be it c++ python etc), I uses this as an example:
[19:28:30] <Aero-Tec> while (true) {}
[19:28:32] <Jymmm> $gender = $penis ? ($vagina ? 'Hermaphrodite' : 'Male') : 'Female';
[19:28:44] <Aero-Tec> was wondering about the true in brackets
[19:28:59] <Aero-Tec> did not think it would work in Gcode
[19:29:20] <Aero-Tec> had me looking at it wondering about it
[19:29:26] <Jymmm> the (true) is just the conditional you would use.
[19:29:44] <Aero-Tec> I got that
[19:29:52] <Aero-Tec> had to look at it for a bit
[19:29:56] <Jymmm> =)
[19:30:01] <Aero-Tec> new to EMC
[19:30:19] <Aero-Tec> not sure what is possible in Gcode with it
[19:30:26] <Aero-Tec> came from Mach
[19:30:41] <Aero-Tec> it was very limited on what one can do
[19:31:08] <Jymmm> there are others here that are far better at programing gcode than I could ever answer, I was just trying to explain the logic is all.
[19:31:25] <Aero-Tec> thanks for the help
[19:31:48] <Aero-Tec> I did do a while[0eq0] loop
[19:32:08] <Aero-Tec> made for a infinite loop
[19:32:32] <Aero-Tec> but would like a way to exit it and move to the next loop
[19:32:36] <Jymmm> so is while(1)
[19:32:48] <Aero-Tec> cool
[19:33:10] <Aero-Tec> tried while [] but that did not work
[19:33:31] <Aero-Tec> while(1)?
[19:34:00] <Aero-Tec> while[1]?
[19:34:16] <Aero-Tec> would that be the right Gcode?
[19:34:45] <Aero-Tec> reg brackets are comments
[19:35:05] <Aero-Tec> I started with just while
[19:36:20] <Aero-Tec> that errored as well
[19:37:09] <Aero-Tec> so would while [1] work for a infinite loop?
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[19:40:26] <jdh> anything that evaluates true
[19:42:49] <Aero-Tec> would [1] be true?
[19:43:20] <Aero-Tec> I got the jest of the (1) code
[19:43:25] <Jymmm> Aero-Tec: In most languages 0 (zero) evaluates to FALSE, and everything else evaluates to TRUE.
[19:43:45] <Aero-Tec> cool
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[19:44:22] <Aero-Tec> I knew about 0 being false but thought 1 was true
[19:44:39] <Aero-Tec> did not know anything other then 0 was true
[19:44:49] <Aero-Tec> in most cases
[19:45:36] <Aero-Tec> have dome some basic and assembler code
[19:45:36] <Jymmm> Aero-Tec: There are a few exceptions, like NULL and type casting.
[19:47:23] <Aero-Tec> so while [1] would be a error I would just
[19:47:42] <Aero-Tec> guess
[19:47:45] <Aero-Tec> sorry
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[19:47:56] <Jymmm> Aero-Tec: while[1] would be an infinant loop.
[19:48:05] <Aero-Tec> have no idea how just got in there
[19:48:43] <Aero-Tec> cool
[19:49:35] <Aero-Tec> off to cut some air
[19:49:44] <Aero-Tec> made 2 endless loops
[19:50:11] <Aero-Tec> one for the encoder slots and one for the index slot
[19:51:11] <Aero-Tec> I should do a test to see it esc will exit a loop or the gcode
[19:51:51] <jdh> it will stop the gcode and turn off the spindle (if you have spindle control)
[19:52:21] <CaptHindsight> https://www.inventables.com/ they carry some simple cnc parts mainly tagreted at glue gun printers, yet...
[19:52:33] <CaptHindsight> managed to raise $3M in venture
[19:52:45] <CaptHindsight> http://www.3ders.org/articles/20130617-digital-manufacturing-supplier-inventables-raises-3m-in-funding.html
[19:53:00] <Aero-Tec> what did they use to raise the money?
[19:54:43] <CaptHindsight> included Dundee Venture Capital, Richard Yoo, Founder of Rackspace Managed Hosting, Georges Harik, co-developer of the targeting technology behind Google AdSense.
[19:55:34] <CaptHindsight> https://www.inventables.com/technologies/table-top-injection-molding-machine
[19:55:48] <CaptHindsight> makes more sense than a reprap
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[20:00:53] <Aero-Tec> for some things
[20:01:12] <Aero-Tec> reprap has it's uses
[20:01:37] <Aero-Tec> get a very quick prototype for some testing
[20:01:56] <Aero-Tec> one off things where finish is not important
[20:02:34] <Aero-Tec> reprap has some cool things going for it
[20:02:55] <Aero-Tec> nothing fits all thing or needs
[20:03:11] <Aero-Tec> every tool has it's use
[20:04:42] <jdh> maybe
[20:04:48] <jdh> what about slip-joint pliers?
[20:05:06] <jdh> "I need a tool to kind of hold this, not very securely, and mar the hell out of it"
[20:06:27] <Aero-Tec> lol
[20:06:39] <Aero-Tec> see there is a tool just for that app
[20:06:40] <Aero-Tec> lol
[20:07:19] <Aero-Tec> ok best way to send message to user in EMC
[20:07:45] <jdh> "I need a tool to fit this hex nut, but I don't want it to fit very well, and I want it to be able to slip and either round off the nut, or bust the hell out of my knuckles"
[20:08:11] <jdh> (adjustable/crescent wrench)
[20:08:13] <Aero-Tec> would like a window, not the little error message thing in the corner if possible
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[20:09:33] <Aero-Tec> slip-joint pliers will also work for that, even better at pinching you and rounding corners
[20:10:05] <Aero-Tec> and marking the hell out of the nut as well
[20:10:05] <Loetmichel> hrhr
[20:10:32] <Aero-Tec> so use message from Gcode
[20:10:35] <jdh> you might be able to do an M100 kind of script, have it pop up a tcl/tk window and then set a hal value based on input
[20:10:43] <Aero-Tec> best way to do it
[20:10:56] <Aero-Tec> cool
[20:11:08] <Loetmichel> my last "tube wrenches" i made for hex nuts (m3) i simply got a piece of brass tube, a self-clamping stainless nut and a vice...
[20:11:12] <Aero-Tec> now that sound like something I could use
[20:11:48] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11795 <- perfect
[20:12:34] <Loetmichel> and if it slips: just shorten it and press the nut in again
[20:12:35] <Aero-Tec> looks good, but I was talking the M100 idea
[20:12:54] <Loetmichel> the brass is weaker than the steel nuts
[20:13:00] <Aero-Tec> that works for small things
[20:13:09] <Loetmichel> richt
[20:13:12] <Loetmichel> right
[20:13:48] <Loetmichel> larger things: not enough pressure to use a nut as a die ;-)
[20:14:36] <jdh> does it really have to be keyboard entry?
[20:15:24] <jdh> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gui/images/example-float-small.png
[20:15:36] <jdh> you can interact via a gladevcp panel
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[20:19:45] <Aero-Tec> what about a simple message to the operator?
[20:20:14] <Aero-Tec> something not easy to over look
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[20:25:53] <Aero-Tec> BTW I have found good uses for slip-joint pliers as well
[20:26:11] <Aero-Tec> they do not suck at every thing
[20:26:43] <Aero-Tec> have used them for a mini press
[20:26:51] <Aero-Tec> worked very well
[20:27:03] <jdh> sure, you can use them to try to grip the hex nut you rounded off with the crescent wrench
[20:27:19] <Aero-Tec> lol
[20:27:25] <jdh> that's right before you whip out the vice-grips
[20:27:35] <Aero-Tec> there are much better tools for that
[20:27:45] <Aero-Tec> so use message
[20:27:59] <Aero-Tec> Gcode debugging and such
[20:28:14] <Aero-Tec> I have done it before, not sure how
[20:28:34] <Aero-Tec> but just small message in lower corner
[20:28:59] <Aero-Tec> not a big message box
[20:29:15] <Aero-Tec> one you have to deal with to continue
[20:30:29] <jdh> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/overview.html#sec:messages
[20:34:20] <Aero-Tec> thanks a mill
[20:34:29] <Aero-Tec> just what I was looking for
[20:48:10] <ssi> http://www.amazon.com/Knipex-8603250-10-Inch-Pliers-Wrench/dp/B000X4OG94
[20:49:19] <ssi> best pliers ever
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[21:00:17] * Loetmichel had to goolge crescent wrench... ah, thats called "englaender" in germany... how do you round off a nut with that? the grip as good as a fitting "normal" wrench, if adjusted well ;-)
[21:00:38] <Tom_itx> :)
[21:00:41] <Jymmm> video http://www.amazon.com/Knipex-8603250-10-Inch-Pliers-Wrench/dp/B000X4OG94
[21:01:10] <DJ9DJ> hrrhrhr
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[21:02:16] <Loetmichel> the Knipex 8603250 is a great tool when new
[21:03:29] <Loetmichel> if it gets used a lot it thends to mangle the ways for the moving jaw, resulting in a tilting jaw, which is bad for the nuts.
[21:04:06] <Loetmichel> ... or do i have to much muscle ion the forearms?
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[21:06:09] <Loetmichel> (broke three M4 countersunk phillips head screws today, with a simple schrewdriver
[21:06:46] <Loetmichel> the head just fell off after tightening, tightening some more, *KNACK*
[21:07:23] <Jymmm> For the cost, no lifetime warranty on them either.
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[21:08:57] <DJ9DJ> gn8
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[21:25:25] <Aero-Tec> could be faulty screws
[21:27:18] <Aero-Tec> unless your enjoying the idea of you super man like strength, then for sure it was your unstoppable manly strength that made the tops pop off
[21:27:32] <Aero-Tec> lol
[21:28:32] <Aero-Tec> some times the screws are not stress relieved to spec, so they are to soft or to brittle
[21:29:23] <Aero-Tec> to soft the heads are likely to strip to hard and the heads pop off
[21:29:51] <Aero-Tec> I had some that were like that, broke way to easy
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[23:05:41] <Tom_itx> pcw_home, are there any notes on building bit files anywhere?
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[23:25:25] <PetefromTn> Evening Folks...
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[23:43:32] <JT-Shop> Howdy Pete
[23:47:00] <PetefromTn> Hey JT
[23:47:21] <JT-Shop> You live near I40?
[23:50:12] <PetefromTn> Sorta..
[23:50:23] <PetefromTn> Maybe fifteen minutes..
[23:50:30] <JT-Shop> did you see us wave when we went by Sunday?
[23:50:56] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: I did and mooned you too!
[23:51:26] <JT-Shop> we went to Maggie Valley last week and spent all day driving in TN it seems like
[23:51:28] <PetefromTn> Nope musta missed it LOL...
[23:52:29] <PetefromTn> Went to my first whole pig roast this last weekend as the customer I built the Whole Pig Roaster was kind enough to invite my and my family. Ate like a....well....Like a PIG!
[23:52:37] <JT-Shop> Jymmm: it's taco night
[23:52:54] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Jsut dont say chicken
[23:53:08] <JT-Shop> that's cool to get to test drive the roaster
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[23:55:21] <PetefromTn> yeah he had a good sized pig splayed out on it and then several fullsize chickens and everywhere else he stuffed corn on the cob wrapped in tinfoil and butter and spices...
[23:55:42] <JT-Shop> making me drool now LOL
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[23:58:39] <PetefromTn> yeah it was pretty nice. Oh did I mention the guy ALSO displayed the Home Brewing Stainless Stand I built for him and the gathering was the monthly meeting and taste testing of the clubs most recent Beer Brews...
[23:58:53] <PetefromTn> Quite nice altho I don't drink beer LOL.