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[00:00:14] <JT-Shop> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZBSGaWrEn4
[00:00:20] <Tecan> (4ZBSGaWrEn4) "Dion & The Belmonts : I Wonder Why" by "Mark Dale" is "Music" - Length: 0:02:52
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[00:02:09] <GammaX-Shop|2> damn JT-Shop now you get me thinkin about a probe.... for offsets and everything else...
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[00:07:11] <JT-Shop> aye, now your thinkinh
[00:07:24] <GammaX-Shop|2> ngcgui
[00:07:36] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/g-code/index.html
[00:08:02] <JT-Shop> yep, ngcgui is your friend and is very powerful
[00:09:23] <GammaX-Shop|2> jthornton: which probe u use?
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[00:11:33] <GammaX-Shop|2> uppp I gtg, ill be bck later. thanks guys!
[00:12:18] <eric_unterhausen> looks like there may be a kernel version disconnect on the beaglebone black
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[00:12:38] <eric_unterhausen> apparently 3.8 is not exactly imminent
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[00:33:46] <Tom_itx> do ppl still use 8.04?
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[00:36:21] <pcw_home> On older motherboards, sure
[00:37:08] <pcw_home> only easy choice if you have no APIC
[00:38:31] <Tom_itx> would it be asking for trouble if i did the 10.04 update on it?
[00:38:43] <Tom_itx> i had trouble getting 10.04 to work on it previously
[00:39:29] <Tom_itx> or can i just update linuxcnc to 2.5.2 or whatever the current release is and retain 8.04 ubuntu?
[00:42:36] <andypugh> Yes
[00:43:07] <Tom_itx> how would i go about it?
[00:43:16] <Tom_itx> without screwing it all up
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[00:43:52] <andypugh> What version are you on now?
[00:44:05] <Tom_itx> i've got ^^ that old pc i've gotten 8.04 to work on and wanted to update
[00:44:10] <Tom_itx> 2.5.1 i think
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[00:44:20] <Tom_itx> yes
[00:44:48] <Tom_itx> it's gonna end up in the shop if it works
[00:45:52] <andypugh> In that case you can probably just upgrade through the update manager
[00:46:23] <Tom_itx> well i tried that but it says this version is no longer supported
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[00:50:47] <Tom_itx> ok i got it to refresh the list at least
[00:50:56] <andypugh> Who says that about what?
[00:51:12] <Tom_itx> the package manager said that
[00:51:29] <Tom_itx> i prodded a bit and it finally went to get a list
[00:51:44] <Tom_itx> i think linuxcnc was in there
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[00:52:41] <Tom_itx> restarting so we'll see...
[00:54:02] <Tom_itx> 2.5.2 now
[00:54:08] <Tom_itx> why can't everything be that easy?
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[01:09:26] <tjtr33> re: the supplied 'probe-hole.ngc' , it's a great O-word subroutine, but read it thru before using.
[01:09:36] <tjtr33> This isnt criticism, just be aware it is an example.
[01:09:48] <tjtr33> I annotated it here so I understood what it did ( might be wrong, check it yourself :)
http://pastebin.com/YZ2CFW5v
[01:09:53] <tjtr33> be aware that its imperial, and uses a 6mm dia probe, and returns bolt hole info, and uses some hard coded distances your machine might not be able to achieve
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[01:40:03] <dgarr> i made some ngcgui-compatible probe subroutines from cradek's originals. Their defaults would be easy to modify. They can be used with ngcgui or any other way as a subroutine.
[01:40:05] <dgarr> http://www.panix.com/~dgarrett/ngcgui/probefiles/
[01:40:33] <skunkworks> hmm - another problem with mach's trajectory planner... it isn't perfect?
[01:40:48] <skunkworks> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mach1mach2cnc/message/140393
[01:40:59] <dgarr> also, for testing in a simulator, there is a simple script in scripts/simulate_probe
[01:41:58] <eric_unterhausen> no parport in mach 4? wow
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[01:45:15] <skunkworks> sounds like there will be. art supposedly re-wrote it for mach4
[01:45:32] <skunkworks> although it is still a little unclear if it will be included or an extra charge.
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[01:57:19] <skunkworks> dgarr: cool! I use those routines a lot
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[02:06:19] <gammax-Laptop1> I request some help.... I have a hardinge varigrip pneumatic closer and I need to aquire a electronic solenoid to operate it.....
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[02:20:33] <tjtr33> dgarr: nice adding the params to the probe. thx
[02:20:34] <tjtr33> is there a way to detect unit of measure? so a routine could tell if the caller was Metric or Imperial?
[02:20:57] <tjtr33> and if the current plane was G17/18/19 so the probe worked in that plane?
[02:27:47] <dgarr> in master, there is support for a named parameter for the plane: #<_plane>
[02:28:52] <dgarr> and for metric: #<_metric>
[02:31:08] <tjtr33> thx! had not found that. i had written plane dependant inside & outside probes on Heidenhain ( system vars held 'tool axis' rather than circular interp plane )
[02:31:30] <tjtr33> so you can probe on a tomb stone, all sides
[02:32:07] <tjtr33> very nice.. is there a doc describing these system vars?
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[02:35:28] <tjtr33> google gives me same list for "linuxcnc '#<_plane>' " as it does for "linuxcnc plane" neither contain "#<_plane>"
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[02:35:56] <tjtr33> oh well, grep the master src tree
[02:37:08] <dgarr> the source file is src/emc/rs274ngc/interp_namedparams.cc
[02:39:13] <tjtr33> hmm been in there, thx, i need to look closer
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[02:43:04] <dgarr> also a list at:
http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/gcode/overview.html
[02:43:05] <tjtr33> got it init_readonly_param(... thx i blew right by that
[02:43:12] <tjtr33> opps thx again
[02:43:31] <chopper792> Hello all, I am working on a jog pendent and all axis move, but all have the same issue. The issue is no matter what mode the pendent is in (x1 x10 x100 ) the machine always moves at .100" per click. Any clues on what I should look for? Like I said all axis move its just all move .100" no matter the mode of pendent.
[02:45:58] <dgarr> most of the predefined named parameters are available in master only but #<_vmajor> and #<_vminor> are available in 2.5.x (i think)
[02:46:09] <cradek> chopper792:
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/motion.9.html
[02:46:22] <cradek> here is a listing of motion's input pins including axis.N.jog-scale
[02:46:42] <cradek> you are obviously not getting that set right, according to your knob
[02:47:15] <cradek> so you need to check whatever hal hookups are supposed to set that
[02:47:45] <chopper792> http://pastebin.com/J4dkGaZD
[02:49:20] <cradek> yep looks like that's the stuff to debug
[02:49:38] <tjtr33> does mux4.0.sel0 & 1 respond correctly?
[02:49:41] <cradek> you should perhaps check scale1, scale2, pend-scale, etc with halmeter
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[02:51:55] <abetusk_> What do you guys think about attaching a USB microscope to a CNC to measure position for backlash and wear?
[02:52:24] <chopper792> Pendent count works fine in halmeter, but scale is stuck on 0.1" and scale 1 and scale 2 stay false. So it appears I have my pins wrong for scale 1 and 2 I would think
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[02:53:14] <cradek> yep I bet you're onto it
[02:53:54] <Tom_itx> pendants are awesome
[02:53:55] <cradek> since you're successfully reading other parport.1 pins your port is working, it seems like it might just be a pinout (or wiring) problem
[02:54:35] <cradek> abetusk: a dial indicator might be simpler, cheaper, and more precise
[02:55:16] <abetusk> cradek, are there digital dial indicators that can work over the full range of motion (say half a foot or so)?
[02:56:08] <chopper792> Sounds like it. That is what I was figuring but needed to bounce it off someone else
[02:56:17] <chopper792> Thanks I will let you know if I got it working
[02:57:13] <tjtr33> thats more stroke than 'dial indicator' has. but linear scales and lvdt s allow that much. are you trying to check long distances?
[02:57:23] <chopper792> quick question.... Scale 1 is = to ? (.1, .01, .001) or nothing like that?
[02:57:46] <abetusk> tjtr33, I'm trying to get a more precise estimate of backlash and wear across the leadscrew
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[02:59:22] <L84Supper2> what are the dates for the meet-up in Wichita? 13-19th?
[02:59:36] <Tom_itx> 17-23 iirc
[02:59:47] <L84Supper2> ok, thanks
[02:59:51] <tjtr33> abetusk long distances are often checked with a stack of gauge block against a hard stop. touch off on hard stop, move some distance, feel the gauge in between
[02:59:54] <Tom_itx> i got the link here...
[03:00:08] <tjtr33> for some meaning of 'long'
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[03:00:30] <L84Supper2> Tom_itx: I couldn't find the link
[03:00:41] <Tom_itx> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.distributions.emc.user/42692/focus=42699
[03:00:52] <Tom_itx> it's in one of those replies
[03:00:53] <cradek> yeah glass scales are used for this
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[03:01:02] <cradek> it's not clear to me what you'd "point" your webcam at
[03:01:24] <tjtr33> edge of a joe block stack?
[03:01:33] <abetusk> cradek, a reference pattern
[03:01:37] <cradek> not to mention how you'd interpret the picture by machine
[03:01:38] <tjtr33> edge of a cadillac gauge?
[03:01:38] <Tom_itx> From Monday the 17th to Sunday the 23rd
[03:01:46] <cradek> seems like a very wrong technology
[03:02:20] <cradek> a glass scale has a very precise reference pattern and an optical reading device that reads it perfectly into a machine-understandable form
[03:02:50] <L84Supper2> thanks the GFW seems to be blocking/breaking that site
[03:02:52] <cradek> to do that instead with webcams and laser printers or whatever is silly
[03:03:28] <Tom_itx> i'm local so if you need info ask
[03:04:14] <L84Supper2> just incredibly slow
[03:04:29] <tjtr33> maybe an old-school vernier? (tho a magnifying lens is all that Hauser jig-bores put over it, not a camera )
[03:04:48] <cradek> do you want to read it with the machine or by eye?
[03:05:03] <Tom_itx> L84Supper where you comin from?
[03:05:23] <tjtr33> yes cradek, ^^ important point i was missing
[03:05:48] <L84Supper2> Tom_itx: I'll be back in Chicago by then
[03:06:23] <L84Supper2> at a 3D printer Conference in Beijing this week
[03:06:32] <Tom_itx> fun
[03:06:52] <L84Supper2> far more formal that expected :)
[03:06:57] <Tom_itx> the link finally opened?
[03:07:00] <L84Supper2> that/than
[03:07:23] <L84Supper2> yeah,
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.distributions.emc.user/42692/focus=42699 has the dates
[03:08:23] <L84Supper2> first trip I didn't pack a suit, and all the functions are formal
[03:08:33] <Tom_itx> heh that would suck
[03:09:20] <tjtr33> check out beijing tailors, 24hr turnaround ( check That qc :)
[03:09:42] <Tom_itx> tell em all your bags got lost
[03:09:46] <L84Supper2> yeah, there's a mall in the hotel as well
[03:12:12] <tjtr33> speakin of QC, the lower usb port on the cubieboard is dead :(
[03:12:13] <tjtr33> using a powered usb port expander now off the upper one
[03:13:06] <L84Supper2> they don't sell tools here except for specialty stores, had to go across town just to get an adjustable wrench and a pair of pliers
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[03:24:08] <chopper792> cradek: How does the scale get its input for 3 different modes with only 2 pin connections? example would be the pendent is wired for pin 10 = x1 pin11 = x10 pin12 = x100 the common for all them is to pin 14. Is the default always .1 (x100) unless one of the other two (x1, x10) are active?
[03:25:17] <chopper792> I ask this since in hal config under watch I select all input pins and no pins change state when I select x1,x10,0r x100
[03:25:56] <chopper792> almost like the selection knob is not working even though I tested it to make sure that selection knob worked.
[03:29:25] <tjtr33> the 2 wires of the knob are the 'select' lines of the mux. they combine to a binary code 00 01 10 11 that select 1 of up to 4 values for the scale.
[03:31:36] <tjtr33> man mux2 may help
[03:31:42] <chopper792> there are 4 wire for the knob total. x1 x10 x100 and common. Should I be using the x1 and x10 or the x10 and x100
[03:31:51] <chopper792> I am reading mux now
[03:32:37] <tjtr33> sorry i thought your hal paste showed a mux
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[03:34:11] <chopper792> it does
[03:34:41] <tjtr33> try man mux4
[03:35:17] <chopper792> with only 2 pin inputs though, so I am trying to understand how 3 selection options with 3 different wires can have only 2 inputs from the pendent.
[03:35:32] <tjtr33> nononono the mux4 selects 1 of 4 outputs using 2 bits input
[03:35:43] <tjtr33> not what you want
[03:36:19] <chopper792> correct
[03:36:59] <tjtr33> you have 3 inputs and want no 'muxing' just use 3 inputs ( 3 pins ) and select the appropo scale when only 1 is true
[03:38:50] <Tom_itx> chopper791 is the logic the level you think it is?
[03:38:54] <Tom_itx> or reversed
[03:39:01] <chopper792> by my logic that is what it should be doing.
[03:39:19] <Tom_itx> one is default and the other 2 switch
[03:39:23] <Tom_itx> that gives you 3
[03:39:35] <chopper792> I did not see the reason for any mux if I had the ability to send it 3 different inputs for my scale factor
[03:40:20] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/cnc/configs/sherline/my_jog.hal
[03:40:22] <Tom_itx> there's mine
[03:40:27] <chopper792> ok so .1" is default then as its working that way now and the other two should be the pins for .01" and .001" or x1 or x10
[03:40:51] <Tom_itx> ignore the 'fast' value, it was too fast for my mill so i fudged
[03:41:55] <Tom_itx> mine is input to a mesa card though
[03:42:14] <chopper792> yeah mine is simple...parallel port...lol
[03:42:25] <Tom_itx> the idea is the same
[03:42:47] <chopper792> I have tried all my available input pins and nothing works for my mux inputs.
[03:43:06] <chopper792> no matter the pin it always moves .1"
[03:43:22] <Tom_itx> use a simple switch on the input and make it work with that first
[03:43:26] <tjtr33> you have 3 inputs, they goto hal code that selects a single scale value based on which input is true, that value is connected to axis.N.jog-scale
[03:44:08] <tjtr33> a mux wont do that
[03:44:10] <Tom_itx> 2 inputs and a defalut value
[03:44:16] <chopper792> I have not tried separates yet, by my simple mind that is how it should work.
[03:47:48] <chopper792> let me drink this beer and mess around a bit more
[03:48:02] <chopper792> be back soon and hopefully with a working pendent
[03:48:14] <Tom_itx> i'll read about it tomorrow
[03:48:27] <chopper792> lol
[03:48:50] <gammax-Laptop1> Im comtemplating which probe to buy...
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[03:50:53] <gammax-Laptop1> i would like one that can probe very accuratly and also be used as a touch off
[03:51:03] <gammax-Laptop1> but also last a long time. any thoughts?
[03:52:27] <Tom_itx> renishaw is the defacto standard
[03:52:44] <gammax-Laptop1> but is also not an ASS LOAD of money lol
[03:52:45] <Tom_itx> they are simple devices inside
[03:52:53] <Tom_itx> get one off ebay
[03:53:08] <gammax-Laptop1> i cant find a cheap one at all
[03:54:52] <tjtr33> try voltage drop technique: insulate the probe tip, insulate the workpiece , use a pullup resistor to the tip, connect wkpc to gnd, monitor when the tip goes low, use carbide tip
[03:55:08] <tjtr33> cheap, but requires insulation
[03:55:14] <tjtr33> very accurate
[03:56:18] <tjtr33> and keep it clean, air blast & alchohol clean the surfaces
[03:56:38] <Tom_itx> no room for error
[03:57:05] <gammax-Laptop1> yeah im not a fan of that style tjtr33 I thought about it... just rather have an actual probe...
[03:57:19] <tjtr33> ? we used all the time in sink edm, repeats to 2um, as you like
[03:57:50] <Tom_itx> is the tip springloaded?
[03:58:03] <tjtr33> solid in mine
[03:58:28] <Tom_itx> platinum or gold plate the tip
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[03:59:21] <tjtr33> soft stuff? again what works proves itself
[03:59:46] <Tom_itx> no, better electrical properties
[04:01:03] <gammax-Laptop1> Tom_itx, did you show me a probe before?
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[04:21:03] <tjtr33> Tom_itx, is this what you meant by 'default' on the mux problem?
http://pastebin.com/sAe970q2
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[05:08:28] <gammax-Laptop1> anyone know a us based coupling suppier?
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[05:08:37] <gammax-Laptop1> my straight shafts aint seeming to work out :/
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[08:22:28] <GammaX> this a bad idea?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/LOVEJOY-ADB6-3-8x5-8-Coupling-Double-Beam-Bore-3-8x5-8-In-/221191394325?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item338008d415
[08:22:51] <Tom_itx> GammaX, stock drive products has them
[08:23:02] <GammaX> que?
[08:23:42] <GammaX> i never heard of them. wow they have a lot
[08:23:50] <GammaX> Tom_itx, which couplings would you get?
[08:24:03] <GammaX> price is important to me!
[08:24:09] <Tom_itx> https://sdp-si.com/eStore/Catalog
[08:24:15] <archivist> depends on the job and the price
[08:26:18] <GammaX> Tom_itx, archivist, what type of couplings do you use?
[08:28:22] <archivist> I have a couple of types (some of these
http://www.arceurotrade.co.uk/Catalogue/Stepper-Motors/Oldham-Couplings because one can mix end hole sizes) and even made my own in the past
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[08:30:47] <archivist> I have bellows on on two axes
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[08:36:51] <GammaX> archivist, how you like the bellows?
[08:37:25] <archivist> a bit fragile
[08:39:19] <GammaX> hmmm
[08:39:25] <GammaX> i need to find something asap!
[08:39:29] <GammaX> cant find it on that site
[08:39:30] <Tom_itx> mcmaster has them too
[08:39:41] <GammaX> 3/8 x 16mm or 5/8...
[08:40:01] <GammaX> Tom_itx, idk where your seeing this! lol
[08:40:22] <archivist> all sorts here
https://sdp-si.com/eStore/CoverPg/Couplings.htm
[08:40:49] <archivist> each type has its application
[08:40:58] <Tom_itx> sdp has hundreds
[08:42:32] <GammaX> archivist, well i need some with a little bit of flex but that cna hold on very strong and be a little flexible with movement im thinkin of oldham style ones now
[08:42:37] <archivist> your mounting alignment quality also defines which type you need
[08:42:46] <Tom_itx> http://www.mcmaster.com/#standard-shaft-couplings/=myhafz
[08:44:41] <GammaX> found oldham couplings with the rite size
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[08:49:55] <GammaX> unfortuanatly I dont think I have enough room for oldham style... the gap is too little
[08:50:06] <Tom_itx> tjtr33, i'd have to look at my wiring to tell you what i meant :)
[08:51:36] <Tom_itx> the scale would be different
[08:52:08] <Tom_itx> .025 .0025 .00025
[08:53:43] <Tom_itx> iirc that's due to the quadrature nature of the MPG
[08:54:42] <GammaX> how much parrallel misalign should I acount for?
[08:54:53] <GammaX> https://sdp-si.com/eStore/Catalog/Group/827#
[08:55:09] <GammaX> spider couplers have tan black or rust for diff hardness lvels I believe
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[09:09:31] <RyanS> I know it's not designed to do so but could you adequately 'turn' cylindrical parts on a four axis cnc mill
[09:11:03] <Loetmichel> spider couplers are easy
[09:13:16] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12846
[09:13:26] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12821
[09:14:54] <Loetmichel> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzOtqYhpHIM
[09:15:03] <Loetmichel> withoit a lathe ;-)
[09:15:07] <Loetmichel> without
[09:17:46] <RyanS> does the finish come out okay?
[09:18:54] <Loetmichel> yes
[09:26:43] <RyanS> hmm I was thinking model engineering with a 4 axis machining something like a crankcase in a couple of operations
[09:27:19] <GammaX> which spider would you guys use?
[09:27:31] <GammaX> in a spider setup for couplings?
[09:27:36] <RyanS> tornado boring the cylinder in the same operation
[09:27:55] <GammaX> A 5R27M4086 40 7 Any 40mm diameter Tan NBR Rubber 86
[09:27:56] <GammaX> A 5R27M4092 40 10 Any 40mm diameter Black NBR Rubber 92
[09:27:56] <GammaX> A 5R27M4098 40 17 Any 40mm diameter Rust NBR Rubber 98
[09:28:22] <GammaX> that prolly makes no sense to you guys lol
[09:29:18] <GammaX> A 5R27-4086 40 1.578 62 Any 1.578" O.D. Tan NBR Rubber 86 -22° F to 194° F 0.006
[09:29:18] <GammaX> A 5R27-4092 40 1.578 88 Any 1.578" O.D. Black NBR Rubber 92 -22° F to 194° F 0.004
[09:29:18] <GammaX> A 5R27-4098 40 1.578 150 Any 1.578" O.D. Rust NBR Rubber 98 -22° F to 194° F 0.002
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[13:57:38] <PetefromTn> anyone familiar with blender?
[14:04:40] <tjtr33> i fight with it sometimes, but the Russian arm of linuxcnc is active with it.
[14:04:41] <tjtr33> these may be of interest
http://blendercam.blogspot.com/ and
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?GcodeGenerator
[14:05:17] <skunkworks> PetefromTn:
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?GcodeGenerator
[14:05:19] <PetefromTn> just downloaded it and trying to make heads or tails. It appears to be VERY powerful software
[14:05:26] <skunkworks> (I don't have any experience with it...)
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[14:08:10] <tjtr33> Nick was making hobby helicopter parts with it
http://cnc-club.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1868
[14:10:50] <PetefromTn> Just trying to rotate this part someone wants me to make so I can take a look at the damn thing.
[14:11:32] <PetefromTn> Who is nick?
[14:12:53] <PetefromTn> Oh nevermind I see. Can't read it tho LOL.
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[14:13:09] <PetefromTn> does it say what cam he used to do it?
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[14:16:54] <tjtr33> his python code to generate gcode from blender ( blender is very python inside ) 'gcodegenerator' see the linuxcnc wiki link
[14:20:10] <PetefromTn> oh okay thats what skunkie was trying to say then. Gotta look into that here. Still cannot seem to rotate the object tho..
[14:22:40] <Vq> PetefromTn: Do you have basic knowledge of blender?
[14:23:28] <PetefromTn> Vq no actually just downloaded it LOL.
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[14:23:55] <Vq> Then I would recommend checking out the beginner videos from blendercookie.
[14:24:30] <PetefromTn> blendercookie huh, will search for that. Do you use it?
[14:24:56] <Vq> sure
[14:25:15] <PetefromTn> what do you generally use it for?
[14:25:28] <Vq> http://cgcookie.com/blender/cgc-series/blender-basics-introduction-beginners
[14:26:28] <Vq> Dabble with raytracing and creating visualisations.
[14:27:46] <PetefromTn> Thanks for the link dude! Looks like a nice simple intro that I need. Was gonna download a simple .stl viewer but then searched a bit and found blender which seems to do so much more.
[14:28:25] <PetefromTn> Not sure if it is best thing for my purposes tho. Not really into 3d computer animation just want an avenue to be able to draw and view 3d files for cad cam work.
[14:28:39] <tjtr33> Vq would you suggest using the blendercam version (2.67)? same basic interface, more cnc oriented
http://blendercam.blogspot.com/p/download-and-installation.html
[14:29:06] <PetefromTn> Thats what I downloaded...
[14:29:20] <PetefromTn> at least I think so. Stable release 2.67
[14:29:47] <PetefromTn> How would you setup blender to be more CNC oriented as far as the toolbars etc.
[14:29:53] <Vq> tjtr33: I have actually never used blendercam.
[14:30:21] <PetefromTn> There's a blendercam?
[14:30:33] <PetefromTn> Did not know that..
[14:30:53] <PetefromTn> Just downloaded basic blender cad I guess here..
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[14:31:36] <tjtr33> if your base is 2.67 you can add on, else you can install the single package listed
[14:32:14] <PetefromTn> just found a link to a blendercam page. This is interesting.
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[14:34:36] <tjtr33> Vq thx for the blendercookie link, may get me past hello world :0
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[14:35:12] <PetefromTn> says they don't recommend the cam for metalworking...wonder why
[14:35:48] <PetefromTn> Also says that they don't guarantee the toolpaths. how cold anyone expect a free program to guarantee anything?
[14:36:17] <PetefromTn> Well gotta run into town to pickup my new Bandsaw blades. Be back in awhile. Peace
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[15:24:14] <jdh> 30% off everything today at Enco code:THIRTY
[15:27:16] <frallzor> what be enco?
[15:30:22] <jdh> www.use-enco.com
[15:31:46] <frallzor> I see
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[15:35:05] <cradek> wow that's uncommon
[15:38:12] <skunkworks> it happened within the last month...
[15:38:23] <skunkworks> must be trying to get rid of inventoyr
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[16:50:16] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[16:51:31] <IchGuckLive> Loetmichel: ? sunny blue sky outside no joke after 100l Today
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[16:59:55] <bedah> mei, des wetter halt ;D
[16:59:59] <IchGuckLive> Poincare: Hi
[17:00:34] <IchGuckLive> bedah: Bayern now most valubal leader in the chene
[17:02:55] <bedah> hab im radio gehört dasses um braunschweig richtig niederging, hier in bremen war es nicht so arg..
[17:03:05] <bedah> sorry for not-english-typing :D
[17:04:00] <IchGuckLive> bedah: agree we got 100liter per sq meter today the wells are all open if never seeen sutch mutch water in the valey
[17:04:39] <IchGuckLive> Blue sky and Sunny overhead but in the Far DARK clouds moving in from france
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[17:09:40] * jthornton geht um einen kurzen Nickerchen
[17:09:59] <jthornton> I wonder how well google translate did on that?
[17:10:25] <IchGuckLive> sleep well
[17:10:55] <IchGuckLive> and dream of 5Axis at 2500ipm
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[17:12:26] <jthornton> I'll dream of a Discovery 308 that doens't trip the drive out every 10 minutes :)
[17:12:47] <IchGuckLive> do so
[17:14:32] <pcw_home> Spindle drive fault?
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[17:15:39] <IchGuckLive> @ all in the USA the Red skin people is there a special name for them german "indianer" ?
[17:16:03] <IchGuckLive> try to find a good svg for plasma
[17:16:56] <pcw_home> Native American is a more PC term
[17:17:06] <IchGuckLive> B)
[17:19:08] <pcw_home> but of course even thats not very PC since is based on a European name as well
[17:19:27] <IchGuckLive> got them
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[17:21:32] <pcw_home> Turtle Islanders?
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[17:38:46] <Loetmichel> jthornton: gruesome ;)
[17:39:27] <IchGuckLive> Loetmichel: water droped today in liters ?
[17:39:33] <Loetmichel> no idea
[17:39:36] <Loetmichel> not so much
[17:40:12] <IchGuckLive> O.O
[17:40:13] <Loetmichel> bit of drizzle, but that the whole day long
[17:40:32] <IchGuckLive> 100 liter today but now blue sky
[17:43:00] * Loetmichel has a sore neck now... got three "hohlkammerplatten" from the home depot for my company... one plate is 2500*1050*10mm... and the car is "only" an opel Omega carvan-> the sheets had contact with the inner rearview mirror ;-) now i know how a dwarf must feel behind the steering wheel ;-)
[17:43:36] <IchGuckLive> they got better seats
[17:45:59] <IchGuckLive> and also bigger cars GMC 6liter
[17:46:24] <Loetmichel> IchGuckLive: ???
[17:46:27] <Loetmichel> a dwarf?
[17:47:15] <Loetmichel> i meant: i had to slip down on my seat 'til i barely could look over the dashboard because the sheets were above my head ;-)
[17:47:54] <IchGuckLive> yes short people but big cars
[17:48:24] <IchGuckLive> i got the picture of you in the car bevore my eys O.O
[17:49:30] <IchGuckLive> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRA_fUpCxWA
[17:49:31] <Tecan> (CRA_fUpCxWA) "Lumber Car MiniMyth | MythBusters" by "DiscoveryNetworks" is "Entertainment" - Length: 0:04:37
[17:50:46] <IchGuckLive> German car take heavy load
[17:51:01] <IchGuckLive> VW Jetta 300 pounds of load
[17:51:07] <IchGuckLive> 3000
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[18:06:02] <IchGuckLive> im off by for today !
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[20:00:41] <GammaX-Shop> hello mall
[20:00:57] <GammaX-Shop> decided on spider couplers this morning ... 80 bucks plus shipping from ny.
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[20:01:11] <GammaX-Shop> american made... I can deal with that. Th spider is rated for 8ft pounds
[20:01:38] <GammaX-Shop> 88*
[20:01:54] <GammaX-Shop> black spider fro sdp
[20:03:18] <JT-Shop> are you typing with goves on again?
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[20:06:13] <taiden> hey everyone
[20:07:55] <GammaX-Shop> lol JT-Shop nah just becoming dislexic I believe
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[20:10:41] <taiden_> hello again, strange issue there
[20:10:58] <taiden_> i'm trying to track down a good CAM option for 3/4 axis cnc router use
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[20:11:21] <taiden_> this is for (very) small business production
[20:11:43] <taiden_> I have been using Mastercam x4 but can't seem to get post to make anything useful for LinuxCNC
[20:14:26] <JT-Shop> one little glitch in the post or total garbage?
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[20:19:34] <JT-Shop> also it is not strange you and everyone else want's a free CAM package
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[20:23:43] <tomp3> taiden: try #cam and visit Dan Falck's blog. ( freecad heekscad & cam )
[20:24:38] <tomp3> http://opensourcedesigntools.blogspot.com/
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[20:42:10] <taiden_> I dont want a free CAM package
[20:42:32] <taiden_> Just trying to balance cost and time savings
[20:43:15] <taiden_> there used to be some low cost ($250?) CAM package that looked very full featured
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[20:43:35] <taiden_> I thought it was BobCAD but apparently not as it seems to be priced in the thousands
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[20:59:57] <GammaX-Shop> anyone use a reflective photosensor for speed?
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[21:07:58] <GammaX-Shop|2> I have a photo microsensor thats pointed at the quill, the quill has6 splines on it. the photo microsensoir ha power to it but also a line and a out on it.. where do I hook those up(im assuming on my BOB at the limit a section) and also how do I setup linuxcnc to know where to pick this up(stepconfig Limit A>spindle index?) and also how it will know that 6 pulses is a rotation...
[21:09:00] <GammaX-Shop|2> this is used for spindle speed if I didnt mention ^^^
[21:12:10] <DJ9DJ> gn8
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[21:18:39] <GammaX-Shop|2> anyone? lol
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[21:47:38] <Tom_shop> you tell it all that
[21:47:52] <Tom_shop> i used an encoder from a printer on my spindle
[21:48:09] <Tom_shop> dammit
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[21:49:27] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/cnc/psu/encoder_disk1.jpg
[21:49:31] <Tom_itx> works good
[21:49:42] <Tom_itx> no index though
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[21:52:56] <Tom_itx> GammaX-Shop|2, all in my sherline.hal :
http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/cnc/configs/sherline/sherline.hal
[21:54:30] <GammaX-Shop|2> Tom_itx: which part is without index, I think I can do spindle phase a... hopefully a long by itself.
[21:55:08] <Tom_itx> mine doesn't have index either
[21:55:13] <GammaX-Shop|2> hmmmm
[21:55:21] <Tom_itx> 48 slots
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[21:56:14] <GammaX-Shop|2> gonna be a lil diff cause im usin parport.
[21:56:31] <Tom_itx> the functions are the same
[21:56:39] <Tom_itx> just substitute the port
[21:56:44] <GammaX-Shop|2> Tom_itx: Ihink i talked to you yesterday, wound up getting the spider couplings from sbd?
[21:56:47] <GammaX-Shop|2> sbi? i forget.
[21:57:01] <Tom_itx> sdp-si
[21:57:15] <GammaX-Shop|2> can I just add that in somehow through stepconfig?
[21:57:19] <Tom_itx> them or mcmaster have them
[21:57:30] <Tom_itx> i dunno, i never used stepconfig
[21:57:40] <Tom_itx> it's for 'kids'
[21:57:41] <Tom_itx> :)
[21:57:42] <GammaX-Shop|2> Tom_itx: correct! lol 80 bucks and they had exact fit, got flexible ones with black spider 88 ftpounds torque rating
[21:57:44] <GammaX-Shop|2> lol
[21:57:57] <GammaX-Shop|2> i guarentee im a kid to you
[21:58:34] <Tom_itx> you should price the same thing at mcmaster for comparison
[21:58:40] <Tom_itx> i dunno who is cheaper really
[21:59:02] <GammaX-Shop|2> i did
[21:59:08] <GammaX-Shop|2> mcmaster didnt have what i needed
[21:59:15] <GammaX-Shop|2> andthing close was almost twice the price
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[22:02:37] <Tom_L> JT-Shop,
http://www.electronicproducts.com/Electromechanical_Components/Motors_and_Controllers/Image_of_the_Day_U_S_Navy_dolphins_discover_rare_130-year-old_torpedo.aspx
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[22:04:08] <GammaX-Shop> Tom_itx: stil no idea what to put in lol
[22:08:53] <GammaX-Shop> Tom_itx: its too differant in terms of the comands
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[22:11:17] <Tom_itx> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/encoder.9.html
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[22:14:11] <GammaX-Shop> I god my brain hurts from looking at code
[22:14:25] <Tom_itx> what pin is it on?
[22:15:13] <GammaX-Shop> 13
[22:16:20] <GammaX-Shop> I tried modifying the hal but it came up as having errors.
[22:16:27] <GammaX-Shop> changed itback.... just confused :/
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[22:23:12] <andypugh> When I spin this washing machine brushless motor by hand I get 40VAC. I think that probably means that it is (as anticipated) a 240V motor.
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[22:25:26] <Tom_itx> probably why they are popular for wind generators
[22:26:30] <PetefromTn> picked up some nice new Lenox bandsaw blades for my 7x12 today.... they kick ass.
[22:27:32] <Tom_itx> GammaX-Shop, what sort of output is the encoder?
[22:27:35] <PetefromTn> Also finally got the deposit for the sweet whole pig roasting grill I am making for a customer and started cutting metal on it this afternoon.
[22:27:47] <Tom_itx> mine was open collector and i wound up inverting it
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[22:45:55] <Tom_itx> GammaX-Shop, yes mine is slightly different, the mesa card has encoder functions builtin
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[22:48:38] <GammaX-Shop> Tom_itx: v i believe
[22:48:41] <GammaX-Shop> 5V
[22:48:55] <GammaX-Shop> its an omron EE-SY672
[22:52:01] <Tom_itx> do you run base thread or servo thread?
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[22:54:25] <Tom_itx> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/2.4/html/hal_rtcomps.html#sec:Encoder
[22:54:55] <GammaX-Shop> Tom_itx: ? i dot know what u mean with servo or base
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[23:13:18] <Tom_itx> http://paste.debian.net/7446
[23:13:27] <Tom_itx> does that look reasonable for a parport encoder input?
[23:13:40] <Tom_itx> i don't have a way to test it
[23:13:44] <Tom_itx> for Gamax
[23:14:15] <Tom_itx> do you use base thread or servo thread for parport stuff?
[23:14:30] <andypugh> base-thread
[23:14:44] <Tom_itx> my mesa stuff uses servo thread
[23:15:23] <Tom_itx> i'm not sure about the gain on scale either
[23:15:34] <Tom_itx> would that reflect his encoder count per rev?
[23:15:36] <andypugh> no need to setp the index-enable
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[23:15:52] <andypugh> The encoder scale needs to be set correctly
[23:16:03] <Tom_itx> i'm not sure what his is
[23:17:08] <Tom_itx> not sure what parameter that is andy
[23:17:17] <Tom_itx> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/2.4/html/hal_rtcomps.html#sec:Encoder
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[23:18:13] <Tom_itx> encoder.<chan>.position-scale
[23:18:46] <andypugh> Needs to match the number of counts per rev.
[23:18:51] <Tom_itx> yes
[23:18:55] <andypugh> Or you can lie and get rpm directly :-)
[23:19:03] <Tom_itx> it's a bit different on mine since i'm using the mesa function
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[23:20:12] <Tom_itx> if you're using it in single input mode you don't need to define the others do you?
[23:20:42] <Tom_itx> encoder.0.phase-A etc
[23:22:33] <Tom_itx> he left anyway
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