#linuxcnc | Logs for 2013-05-11

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[00:00:07] <Connor> That, I don't know.
[00:00:13] <jdh> axa is a little too big
[00:00:28] <jdh> but works
[00:00:39] <Connor> I don't have AXA, mine is 0XA
[00:00:53] <PetefromTn> AXA would fit my lathe..
[00:01:02] <Connor> PetefromTn: Hush. :)
[00:01:13] <ds3> and what lateh is that?
[00:01:24] <PetefromTn> LOL its a 12x36....
[00:01:25] <Connor> 0XA is good for up to 8" swing
[00:01:52] <Connor> I think I'll pass on that lathe.. I need to finish up the mill first..
[00:02:25] <PetefromTn> yup but you could use the lathe to finish the mill LOL...
[00:02:59] <ds3> apparently not
[00:03:03] <Connor> Nay. Your going to help me with what I need the lathe for... :)
[00:03:16] <PetefromTn> oh yeah I forgot....
[00:03:23] <ds3> PetefromTn: US iron?
[00:04:23] <PetefromTn> I got a real simple first CNC job for the Cincinatti from the fellow I sold the bandsaw to. Gotta mill some metric rounded slots in some steel tubing. About 36 of them...
[00:04:38] <Connor> How much clearance do I need between my air cylinder and the drawbar ? and do I need to make that adjustable ?
[00:04:47] <PetefromTn> ds3: no actually it is an import but I have owned it for over a decade and it has served me very well....
[00:05:15] <PetefromTn> just a touch... enough to allow it to spin freely when NOT energized..
[00:05:22] <PetefromTn> say 1/16"
[00:05:55] <PetefromTn> maybe less.. are you gonna be able to remove the cylinder to manually use the drawbar?
[00:06:07] <Connor> The aircylinder has a threaded portion on it.. I was thinking about getting a nut for it.. but.. I can just cut it flush with the Hex part of the shaft.
[00:06:32] <Connor> yes. Unscrew two bolts and the whole assembly can come off.
[00:06:50] <PetefromTn> Yeah we spoke about it recently. I would tig weld it solid. My old drawbar was made with a fixed head...
[00:07:17] <PetefromTn> So nice that my machine came with all that working so I don't have to make it myself...
[00:07:43] <Connor> That's the other end.. the air cylinder shaft is a hex shaft so it doesn't spin that's been turned down and threaded.
[00:07:47] <PetefromTn> nice machine...http://knoxville.craigslist.org/tls/3762856807.html
[00:08:19] <PetefromTn> why didn't you just leave it hex?
[00:08:27] <Connor> It comes that way.
[00:08:35] <Connor> I'm thinking of just cutting the threads off..
[00:08:36] <PetefromTn> can you cut that part off..
[00:08:40] <PetefromTn> LOL
[00:08:47] <Connor> but, was thinkiing about maybe using a nut to allow some adjustment.
[00:08:54] <Connor> but, sounds like I won't need to worry with it.
[00:09:27] <PetefromTn> Yeah I would just cut it off and make it nice and flat as possible so it does not impart any lateral movement when it hits the drawbar..
[00:10:35] <Connor> I'll use my mototool and then use the angle grinder to finish it.
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[00:12:42] <PetefromTn> Anyone know of a SMOKIN' deal on a decent machinist vise somewhere?
[00:12:44] <Connor> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Fabco-Air-The-Pancake-Line-Cylinder-HP3X1RFA-SSMR-/290874452362?pt=Pneumatic_Hydraulic_Valves_Parts&hash=item43b977e98a
[00:13:05] <Connor> take a look at that one.. it's a single pancake.. but, has the same shaft design as mine.
[00:13:50] <PetefromTn> you sure that the shaft is hex? It might be some kinda nut atop a round shaft...
[00:14:19] <Connor> No.. It's hex.. the spec sheet for my model says it's a non rotating..
[00:14:32] <Connor> plus.. when it extends.. you can clearly see that it is..
[00:16:06] <PetefromTn> okay then I'd lop off the threads carefully. See if you can take it apart before you cut it so the heat does not screw up the seals inside...
[00:16:45] <PetefromTn> Either that or make an end plug that threads on and has loctite sealed threads that bottoms out to hit the drawbar.
[00:18:57] <PetefromTn> SWEET bike..http://knoxville.craigslist.org/mcy/3795656776.html
[00:19:22] <r00t4rd3d> peter stop fail linking
[00:19:30] <r00t4rd3d> 2 in row
[00:20:06] <PetefromTn> huh?
[00:20:19] <r00t4rd3d> bike..http://knoxville.craigslist.org/mcy/3795656776.html and machine...http://knoxville.craigslist.org/tls/3762856807.html
[00:20:29] <r00t4rd3d> double click those
[00:20:43] <PetefromTn> they come up fine for me...
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[00:21:23] <r00t4rd3d> excessive use of periods
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[00:21:32] <r00t4rd3d> thats your real problem
[00:21:41] <PetefromTn> thats one of em...
[00:21:58] <r00t4rd3d> my client sees that as 1 link with bike and machine, wont open for me
[00:22:28] <PetefromTn> really all of these links that both you posted and the ones I did glow blue for me and are clickable without issue..
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[00:22:47] <r00t4rd3d> with xchat they dont
[00:23:06] <PetefromTn> Im on quassel....maybe just Xchat sucks?
[00:27:50] <r00t4rd3d> how many distros is quassel the default irc client?
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[00:28:13] <r00t4rd3d> im guessing none.
[00:28:41] <PetefromTn> whatza distro?
[00:28:58] <r00t4rd3d> distribution of linux
[00:29:34] <r00t4rd3d> debian, ubuntu, gentoo, etc.
[00:30:00] <PetefromTn> no idea man I just know it works so far for everything I needed to do...
[00:30:39] <r00t4rd3d> if you share a link here, do you post it for you to visit or others?
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[00:33:22] <r00t4rd3d> okay then..........................
[00:34:28] <PetefromTn> Xchat blows......
[00:34:50] <Connor> r00t4rd3d: They work fine for me too
[00:35:17] <PetefromTn> you on Xchat?
[00:36:48] <Connor> No. Pidgin
[00:37:19] <PetefromTn> well now....
[00:37:22] <Connor> Crap... I didn't think about it heating up and causing issues with the seals..
[00:38:35] <Connor> I guess I could use my sawsaw with a bi-metal blade and cut it off... then do a quick clean up..
[00:39:23] <PetefromTn> cut a little wick it with an ice soaked rag a little....cut a little....
[00:40:02] <Connor> mototool or sawzall ?
[00:41:33] <PetefromTn> either one....probably mototool...with cutoff blade and go slow...
[00:41:55] <PetefromTn> is it hardened?
[00:42:03] <Connor> Probably not.
[00:42:27] <Connor> But, not sure.. I'll know when I start cutting on it.
[00:42:35] <PetefromTn> Then the sawzall would work too...
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[00:53:31] <r00t4rd3d> cant believe i am going to ignore someone for period use.
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[01:11:27] <PetefromTn> Thinking about using my cast angle plate to fixture up these tubes for slotting....Then I can use the payout to help buy maybe a better vise...
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[01:51:03] <Tom_itx> andypugh did you book your room yet?
[01:51:17] <Tom_itx> i checked on the one cradek? suggested and those are nice as well
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[02:47:53] <PetefromTn> ...
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[02:48:07] <ReadError> jezuz freenode
[02:48:10] <ReadError> get your act together!
[02:49:47] <PetefromTn> whats the matter?
[02:51:03] <ReadError> lool look at the scroll
[02:51:17] <ReadError> constantly connect/disconnect for a bunch of folks
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[02:52:09] <PetefromTn> Huh I just figured everyone was comin and going....LOL
[02:52:26] <PetefromTn> Anyone here got one of these? http://www.ebay.com/itm/SHARS-6-SPV615-CNC-Milling-Vise-0004-/300622542934?pt=BI_Tool_Work_Holding&hash=item45fe7ff856
[02:52:27] <Tom_itx> netsplits
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[02:53:28] <Tom_itx> may as well spend $100 more and get a kurt
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[02:53:55] <Tom_itx> it looks ok though
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[02:56:21] <PetefromTn> I like the vises with the ground in fixed jaw looking at the CNC models from shars as I am a poor bastard right now..
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[02:57:36] <Tom_itx> http://www.ebay.com/itm/SHARS-6-670V-CNC-Milling-Vise-0004-D675-/300872835075?pt=BI_Tool_Work_Holding&hash=item460d6b2003
[02:57:53] <Tom_itx> http://www.ebay.com/itm/SHARS-6x7-1-2x1-3-4-Lock-Down-Precision-Milling-Machine-Vise-NEW-/300695464124?pt=BI_Tool_Work_Holding&hash=item4602d8a8bc
[02:58:55] <PetefromTn> yeah I have seen that first one and it looks decent.
[03:00:00] <Tom_itx> http://www.ebay.com/itm/SHARS-4-440V-CNC-MILLING-VISE-0004-Repeatability-/350783556945?pt=BI_Tool_Work_Holding&hash=item51ac544d51
[03:00:04] <Tom_itx> 4" version
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[03:00:17] <PetefromTn> Almost bought two of these from a guy in nashville but the shipping was a beotch...http://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-MACHINE-VISE-HEAVY-DUTY-JAW-OPEN-6-/280518820663?pt=BI_Tool_Work_Holding&hash=item4150398337
[03:00:36] <Tom_itx> drive over and get it
[03:00:45] <Tom_itx> cheaper than shipping probably
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[03:00:52] <jdh> I've got a shars 5"
[03:00:53] <PetefromTn> Almost did but I was too slow on the uptake..
[03:01:07] <PetefromTn> also considering getting one of these...http://www.ebay.com/itm/6-CNC-DOUBLE-VISE-MILLING-LOCK-DOWN-HARDENED-0004-NEW-/330792005675?pt=BI_Tool_Work_Holding&hash=item4d04bd702b
[03:01:22] <PetefromTn> How ya like it? Which model?
[03:01:24] <Tom_itx> jdh, are they nice and tight tolerance?
[03:01:47] <jdh> I don't have enough experience to say. It seems to work fine. Tight
[03:01:52] <Tom_itx> i've heard of em but never used one
[03:02:10] <Tom_itx> kurt are just kindof the standard
[03:02:21] <jdh> they have different quality series
[03:02:30] <jdh> never seen a small kurt show up
[03:02:48] <Tom_itx> 6 and 8" are definitely the most popular
[03:02:58] <jdh> too big for me
[03:03:06] <Tom_itx> same here
[03:03:22] <PetefromTn> I've used Kurts in the shop I worked in, they are certainly nice but honestly my cheapo chinese clone I used to have worked just fine for what I was doing.
[03:04:29] <PetefromTn> do you both have benchtops?
[03:04:48] <Tom_itx> all i've got now is a sherline
[03:05:00] <Tom_itx> but i've programmed and run much bigger ones
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[03:05:29] <Tom_itx> tree, fadal, okuma etc
[03:06:10] <PetefromTn> Fadals are pretty nice that is the other machine I was considering before I got the Cincinatti.
[03:06:29] <Tom_itx> they're ok
[03:06:46] <Tom_itx> not as heavy duty as some
[03:07:06] <PetefromTn> The more I think about it the more a CNC style double vise is what I need. Then I can buy two eventually and have the ability to hold large fixture plates if necessary.
[03:07:25] <pcw_home> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KiJU4dQdLE
[03:07:25] <Tecan> (6KiJU4dQdLE) "Sanddornbalance by Miyoko Shida Rigolo in Flic Flac January 12, 2012" by "Miyoko SHIDA" is "Entertainment" - Length: 0:07:15
[03:07:29] <Tom_itx> just bolt the plate to the table
[03:07:35] <Tom_itx> that's what we did
[03:07:54] <Tom_itx> then took it off when we had vise jobs or ran them on another machine
[03:09:03] <Tom_itx> get a nice thick plate you can skin cut every so often
[03:10:32] <Tom_itx> i even put one on my sherline: http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/boards/USBTiny_Mkii/Boxes/milling1.jpg
[03:10:44] <Tom_itx> since replaced that one with a 1" plate
[03:10:53] <PetefromTn> pcw_home: What was it mr. Miyagi san said, balance, you must have BALANCE!!
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[03:11:35] <PetefromTn> Tom_itx: Yeah man I like fixture plates but I ALSO like to be able to just pop them on the vise and enjoy the repeatable positioning of it.
[03:12:18] <Tom_itx> we'd dowel pin parts in place if they required it
[03:12:24] <Tom_itx> just depends on the job really
[03:12:56] <PetefromTn> Heck I can do that......hold my beer LOL. Actually I don't drink.
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[03:13:45] <Tom_itx> some required some rather fancy tooling too
[03:14:44] <Tom_itx> fwiw, this is some of the stuff we ran: http://clearwateren.com/gallery.php
[03:14:47] <PetefromTn> The CNC vises give you a lot of interesting clamping options.
[03:15:43] <PetefromTn> Looks like some interesting and challenging parts. Did you do the programming?
[03:15:51] <Tom_itx> some of them
[03:15:53] <Tom_itx> not all
[03:16:25] <Tom_itx> alot of the stuff isn't shown there
[03:16:33] <PetefromTn> I need to find some jobs making interesting stuff like that in my shop here....
[03:16:38] <Tom_itx> those are just some 'showcase' parts
[03:16:47] <PetefromTn> I'm sure
[03:17:17] <Tom_itx> seldom is anything just flat on an aircraft though
[03:17:35] <PetefromTn> Yeah I know...
[03:18:29] <Tom_itx> http://clearwateren.com/
[03:18:37] <Tom_itx> you can kinda get a feel for the shop in those pics
[03:19:06] <PetefromTn> yeah it is just a little bigger than mine NOT
[03:19:22] <PetefromTn> you still work there?
[03:19:27] <Tom_itx> no
[03:19:34] <PetefromTn> Too bad its not in clearwater florida...
[03:19:34] <Tom_itx> he retired and sold
[03:19:52] <Tom_itx> still has a cnc at his home shop though
[03:20:01] <Tom_itx> and keys to the bigger shop
[03:20:13] <PetefromTn> is he you?
[03:20:18] <Tom_itx> no a good friend
[03:20:30] <Tom_itx> he started in a 24x24 garage
[03:20:53] <PetefromTn> tell him to send some work my way LOL.... I'm starting in a 25x25 garage!!
[03:21:36] <Tom_itx> he just does enough now to support his racecar habbit
[03:21:44] <Tom_itx> habit*
[03:22:05] <PetefromTn> understand that....I need a racecar habit.
[03:22:20] <PetefromTn> whats the ITX?
[03:22:44] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/itx/itx_thumb_index.php
[03:23:45] <Tom_itx> old now
[03:25:08] <PetefromTn> so its the mini ITX platform for computers?
[03:32:31] <PetefromTn> nice....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pj6aALeL7_U
[03:32:32] <Tecan> (pj6aALeL7_U) "Glacern Machine Tools - GDV Double Station Vise for CNC Milling Machines" by "GlacernMachineTools" is "Tech" - Length: 0:02:02
[03:35:53] <Valen> that video is some grade A machine porn
[03:36:42] <PetefromTn> fer sure...
[03:37:09] <Valen> now i want to watch it again with sound
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[04:26:23] <ReadError> for ssi : http://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/tls/3746463402.html
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[04:58:55] <Valen> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNXP3TA5_tw big CnC
[04:58:56] <Tecan> (dNXP3TA5_tw) "BostCrank" by "BOSTCOMPANY" is "Tech" - Length: 0:11:46
[04:59:08] <Valen> now thats some live tooling right there
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[06:45:49] <DJ9DJ> moin
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[07:10:05] <Loetmichel> mornin'
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[09:42:36] <epineh> Hi all, quick question if anybody has a minute...
[09:45:12] <archivist> and...
[09:45:28] <epineh> thinking of trying some 3d printing on my existing machine running EMC
[09:45:49] <epineh> just after a pointer or two on what are the best options
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[09:46:51] <epineh> the extruder seems straight forward enough, just after the best way to integrate, most info is using reprap style controllers
[09:47:24] <epineh> I would rather modify my current machine with a 3d profile
[09:48:41] <epineh> just a link or description for a good starting point would be appreciated
[09:49:21] <Loetmichel> epineh: that only makes sense when your machine can move at 8in/sec at least
[09:50:16] <Loetmichel> because the printing process has endlesss fast moves
[09:50:31] <Loetmichel> if your machine is slow the print will need 'tin eternity
[09:50:47] <Loetmichel> s/need lst
[09:50:49] <Loetmichel> last
[09:51:06] <Loetmichel> 'til
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[09:54:52] <epineh> if the parts are small it won't really matter, my new machine I am building will be fast, but is a WIP
[09:56:46] <Valen> they don't trace edges?
[09:56:57] <Valen> IE they print like a bubblejet printer?
[09:57:36] * Valen hasn't seen one working in the flesh
[09:59:13] <epineh> there is slicing software so you draw the model, then create gcode that builds slices from bottom up, kinda like area clearance milling in reverse
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[10:38:23] <FredrikHson1> managed to save the face i milled yesterday :D
[10:42:58] <jthornton> cool
[10:44:30] <FredrikHson1> https://www.dropbox.com/s/kslv03y0599sjpf/facedonemilling.jpg
[10:46:10] <FredrikHson1> needs a tiny bit of sanding but pretty good results even if its only half the size of what i had planned from the start
[10:47:19] <jthornton> that wasn't what I was expecting when you said face milling LOL, but it is impressive
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[10:48:56] <FredrikHson1> hehe yeah not that kind of face milling ;)
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[10:53:47] <pingufan> Hello, I want to run linuxcnc in virtualbox as visual simulator of my CNC mill when I am in my weekend house. I use the older Ubuntu 8,x because version 10 totally freezes, but even this older Ubuntu does not start emc2 correctly.
[10:53:54] <pingufan> Can somebody help?
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[10:55:11] <FredrikHson1> tried to virtualbox it myself but didn't get very far i am afraid
[10:55:57] <pingufan> Surprisingly it works now (but I changed nothing since last weekend), I have the AXIS GUI up now.
[10:56:26] <L84Supper> what did you fix in the last 2 minutes?
[10:56:28] <jthornton> see we fixed ti
[10:56:31] <jthornton> it
[10:56:40] <pingufan> Can I somehow disable the need for homing etc?
[10:59:48] <FredrikHson1> just use the simulation preset machine
[11:01:16] <pingufan> Where/how do I find it?
[11:03:38] <pingufan> Do I have to configure this with stepconf?
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[11:07:13] <jthornton> you have to add it manually to your ini file
[11:07:54] <jthornton> look in the axis section of the configuration chapter of the integrators manual
[11:08:28] <pingufan> Thank you. Does it then also ignore settings of parallel port, etc?
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[11:10:27] <jthornton> I don't understand the question
[11:11:11] <pingufan> As I run it on a PC without any parallel port, what happens when it has $378 as port configured?
[11:13:12] <jthornton> are we are still talking about the no force homing entry in the ini?
[11:14:19] <pingufan> Same machine. But I will do now (as first step, as it appears to start now up at all) the online update to 2.5.x
[11:15:12] <L84Supper> pingufan: what was the fix to get it running?
[11:15:33] <r00t4rd3d> search google for "The time is now"
[11:15:48] <pingufan> Absolutely no idea. Last weekend emc froze at the spalsh screen, now it works.
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[11:18:37] <L84Supper> pingufan: what host are you using for virtualbox?
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[11:22:49] <jthornton> I used to use one back when the docs were on different versions of Ubuntu but forgot which one I used
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[11:38:47] <pingufan> I upgraded now to linuxcnc. I remember that I hat to edit the config files manually on my cnc mill after that. What do I have to do in detail? I get now only a error window with environment vars.
[11:44:32] <pingufan> L84Supper: I use an AMD64 x2 machine with nvidia graphics, ...
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[12:07:42] <pingufan> Hello. I installed now linuxcnc on hardy , precisely the linuxcnc2.5-sim, because I only want to simulate my mill in the weekend PC.
[12:08:33] <pingufan> Ubuntu is running in Virtualbox on openSUSE 12.2 x64.
[12:09:26] <pingufan> I do not need any realtime stuff, i only want to see how the mill would run, as I code by hands (to learn G-Code)
[12:11:52] <pingufan> The splash screen appears, then I get an error window with debugging details.
[12:12:00] <pingufan> Can somebody help?
[12:13:15] <ReadError> they still make opensuse?
[12:13:18] <ReadError> j/k
[12:13:24] <ReadError> why not just run the livecd on vbox?
[12:13:34] <ReadError> install the sim, save the state
[12:13:50] <pingufan> I installed the live-CD in vbox.
[12:14:14] <pingufan> I use hardy live CD because Ubuntu 10 causes lots of troubles.
[12:14:52] <pingufan> Can you help me getting this thing working, please?
[12:18:11] <pingufan> Currently starting a livecd with ubuntu 8.04 and emc2
[12:18:21] <pingufan> Wondering if this will work
[12:20:15] <ReadError> i have no idea
[12:20:24] <ReadError> i put it on parallels
[12:20:36] <ReadError> installed the parallels tools, broke some library
[12:20:44] <ReadError> i just run the full one in esxi now
[12:20:54] <pingufan> What I see until now is: A nice splash screen with EMC 2.3.0 -- since 2 minutes.
[12:21:25] <pingufan> And absolutely no I/O to the virtual CD-iso
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[12:23:09] <ReadError> i just use it man, sorry
[12:23:13] <ReadError> not really a poweruser/dev
[12:24:03] <r00t4rd3d> aka n00b
[12:24:19] <ReadError> ^^
[12:24:27] <ReadError> i know how to do what i need to do ;)
[12:26:19] <r00t4rd3d> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxCNC_Pure_Simulator
[12:26:38] <r00t4rd3d> pingufan, do this ^^
[12:27:56] <r00t4rd3d> just trying to run a normal version of linuxcnc on a computer with no parallel port will not work I do not think.
[12:28:13] <pingufan> I give it a try
[12:34:19] <pingufan> Well, I already installed linuxcnc-sim this way.
[12:34:52] <pingufan> It always stops with the error window (debug details). Possibly a config error?
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[12:37:16] <archivist> hint: what are the relevant lines in the debug window
[12:41:31] <pingufan> It wants to modprobe a parport. I have none.
[12:44:00] <pingufan> Why does the simulator try that at all?
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[12:48:58] <pingufan> I got it working thanks for your valuable hint. the doc is lousy.
[12:49:31] <pingufan> After choosing sim-axis_mm it worked.
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[14:07:19] * archivist dunno either
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[14:07:55] <Dunno> LOL
[14:08:08] <PetefromTn> ..
[14:08:14] <archivist> ...
[14:09:24] <PetefromTn> ....
[14:09:39] <DJ9DJ> ::.
[14:09:45] <PetefromTn> what up fellas?
[14:10:11] <PetefromTn> DJ9DJ: Like that one..thinkin outside the box man...way 2 go
[14:10:26] <DJ9DJ> :D
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[14:11:30] <PetefromTn> gotta make me one of these...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXGJqMiF31w
[14:11:31] <Tecan> (qXGJqMiF31w) "Pro Touch Off Gage.m2t" by "sgord521" is "Tech" - Length: 0:02:09
[14:14:19] <Tom_itx> thinking in 3d instead of 2.5d
[14:14:56] <PetefromTn> huh?
[14:15:01] <Tom_itx> interesting video earlier Valen
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[14:31:08] <PetefromTn> anyone here using a tool length table probe setup?
[14:35:35] <rob_h> on the machine (ie online) or off line (ie from a hight gauge input numbers manual) or using G10 from a print out
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[14:37:01] <PetefromTn> on the machine, I have a granite surface plate here for offline tool measurement but I am wanting to get something maybe like a renishaw tool table probe.
[14:38:02] <Tom_itx> it's very possible to do
[14:38:49] <PetefromTn> I am sure..
[14:38:55] <rob_h> then just set your work datum from that known point also away you go, handy if you have a tough of probe also can do it all auto then
[14:39:40] <rob_h> i picked up a TS27R with decoder the other day so when i have 5 mins ill fit it to one of the machines along with the work probe, both renishaw
[14:39:43] <PetefromTn> I know the Haas machines have the renishaw software built in. It allowed for several different styles of tool probing as well as touch probe setup.
[14:39:46] <rob_h> then just call a sub to measure tools etc
[14:40:02] <rob_h> yea all they are , are some macros it calls
[14:40:22] <PetefromTn> it was pretty sweet setup and I am curious if linuxCNC has anyone working on something similar...
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[14:41:40] <PetefromTn> I think it was more than macros, it had the ability to adjust for longish tools with a GUESS before you actually probed it as well as other parameters for measuring odd shaped tools and facemills offset.
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[14:42:30] <rob__H> depends on probe used the renishaw TS27R is one u can do face mills and end mills etc
[14:43:05] <rob__H> the guess is just u enter a quick measure gauge line length of tool and it just has a window it probes with in thats all
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[14:43:18] <PetefromTn> Yeah actually just looked it up and that is the same one they had on those haas machines. It was the remote trigger one with infra red..
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[14:43:47] <rob__H> yea one igot it hard wired, but newer is infared yes
[14:43:54] <PetefromTn> Yeah I know it is all pretty simple but it is also something that really speeds the process up.
[14:44:06] <PetefromTn> how much did ya pay for it?
[14:44:10] <rob__H> depends what u want for it, just length or length plus diamiter comp
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[14:44:32] <PetefromTn> Can linuxCNC do diameter comp with it?
[14:44:35] <rob__H> 2500 ish i think with decoder unit
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[14:44:52] <rob__H> using G10 u can set all tool paramiters
[14:44:53] <PetefromTn> WOW pricey...
[14:45:05] <rob__H> 250 sorry
[14:45:17] <PetefromTn> got a video of it working with linuxCNC somewhere?
[14:45:22] <rob__H> was ebay 2nd hand but its in good condition
[14:45:38] <rob__H> no sits in box right now got it last month time is short here too many parts to make
[14:46:17] <rob__H> its one of many "todo" jobs
[14:46:18] <PetefromTn> what kinda machine is it going on?
[14:46:53] <rob__H> i dont know yet, at moment on VMC i got on linuxcnc is a leadwell 540
[14:47:17] <rob__H> but the bigger 720 needs converting soon , plus i have a dahli waiting
[14:47:18] <PetefromTn> Are you the leadwell VMC linuxCNC retrofit on youtube?
[14:47:41] <rob__H> prob if talking about one has vids with rigid tapping and spindle ori with vfd
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[14:47:54] <PetefromTn> awesome man...
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[14:48:07] <rob__H> i picked up a tool probe arm for lathe also
[14:48:07] <PetefromTn> you were my inspiration for this Cinci...
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[14:48:26] <rob__H> thats grate, now i know who u are too haha
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[14:48:45] <PetefromTn> Do you use these machines to make your living?
[14:48:46] <rob__H> should see some vids of you making chips soon then
[14:48:49] <rob__H> yes
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[14:48:59] <rob__H> so churn out parts all day
[14:49:05] <PetefromTn> excellent...you are my hero dude!!
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[14:49:21] <PetefromTn> where did you find your customers the most?
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[14:49:47] <rob__H> becasue the iron is so good even these days after the years a few small fixes here and there like ball screw bearinge etc.. a new control realy does transform them
[14:50:53] <rob__H> i am UK... but we do a small ammount of sub contract not much these days as abit dead.. but most our coustomers are long standing ones whcih keeps us bussy
[14:51:16] <PetefromTn> Agreed... from what I know about the original control full blown 3d stuff was not really practical due to speed of processor. Hoping this new control will work much better. It is also considerably faster rapids let alone nearly unlimited file size unlike the DNC before..
[14:51:18] <rob__H> we also do alot of Mold making for high pressure Die which again long working lead times there
[14:51:46] <PetefromTn> Awesome...so you make molds with it. Is it a lot of 3d work?
[14:52:28] <rob__H> depends on the mold , we machine alot of it now days where we can , using hard metal too
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[14:53:07] <rob__H> then EDM the rest like thin rips or where you need very small ball nose cutters, as we dont have the 10/12K spindles+
[14:53:38] <rob__H> sometimes its how long do you tie up a machine, how long does it take to EDM
[14:54:00] <PetefromTn> the fellow I bought this machine from made a NICE living making molds with this machine before he sold it to me and bought a HUGE Fadal 6030...
[14:54:11] <PetefromTn> Im sure...
[14:54:39] <rob__H> we only do tools around 500mm square, we have done bigger but things start to get abit heavy to lug around
[14:54:41] <PetefromTn> The molds he made were HUGE and heavy....needed a forklift to put the stock on the table of the fadal...
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[14:55:10] <PetefromTn> That 6030 table looks like an aircraft carrier deck LOL...
[14:56:07] <rob__H> i bet
[14:56:31] <rob__H> we are on lookout for a nice VMC with twin pallet now
[14:56:56] <PetefromTn> machine would not even fit in my shop, he had to build the building around the machine after they unloaded it with a crane..
[14:57:19] <PetefromTn> are you retrofitting all of these machines?
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[14:58:30] <rob__H> depends as when they brake down things sometimes get costly and thats where it starts to pay to retro them
[14:58:48] <PetefromTn> this is pretty cooll....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMwN2laA4d0
[14:58:49] <Tecan> (sMwN2laA4d0) "C CON INC Dallas Texas Renishaw NC4 non contact laser tool setter" by "metrologyTV" is "People" - Length: 0:01:35
[14:58:57] <rob__H> but like sliding head we got other day , that will start with its Mirsubishi
[14:59:43] <rob__H> never seen a laser one 2nd hand i bet they cost something new
[15:00:05] <PetefromTn> yeah but dont see how you could probe large diameter tools with it...
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[15:00:50] <rob__H> do quite a range of them in widths
[15:02:30] <PetefromTn> what do you use for engraving work on the slower spindle machines you have?
[15:02:44] <rob__H> 6k we have
[15:02:51] <rob__H> use a carbide D bit
[15:02:56] <rob__H> for sindle line text
[15:03:07] <rob__H> just grind it up for the angle u need or width
[15:03:33] <PetefromTn> yeah mine is 6k too... still kinda slow for engraving work tho....
[15:03:41] <rob__H> if you need wide text where u need some stupid 1mm cutter or something.. well just takes time lol. but the coustom pays for it
[15:04:02] <rob__H> yea but at least you dont have to replace spindle bearings too mcuh ;)
[15:04:09] <PetefromTn> I used a single fllute d bit for all the custom Fiero engravings I made awhile back on my RF45...
[15:04:38] <PetefromTn> actually if you run the spindle full stink all the time won't you be doing exactly that?
[15:04:51] <rob__H> ours run 6k all day
[15:05:03] <rob__H> Dpends on the machien quality id say
[15:05:06] <PetefromTn> nice....is it a cartridgle spindle...
[15:05:09] <rob__H> a HAss well. lets not go there
[15:05:15] <rob__H> but a mazak or Kittymura etc
[15:05:48] <rob__H> as long as they well greesed and its not gone bad they do last
[15:06:05] <rob__H> onces in our VMC are rated 12K continue
[15:06:14] <PetefromTn> do you R&R your own spindles?
[15:06:34] <rob__H> we did replace the ones in our CHNC tho, as that was noisy now it runs realy quite
[15:06:57] <rob__H> we sent it out once for check and service, i swear they did nowt with it what waste that was
[15:07:08] <PetefromTn> I am dreading doing that on my Cincinatti I hear it is a beotch...
[15:07:18] <rob__H> the last two vmcs we just pulled the cartridge our and regreesed and checked them over
[15:07:29] <rob__H> not sure manual will show u,
[15:07:44] <rob__H> on our leadswells take top drawbar unit off. then slacked the belt
[15:07:48] <PetefromTn> yeah the Cinci I have is not a cartridge, you gotta take it apart inside the machine...
[15:07:57] <rob__H> and undo screws on bottom off spindle unit and it slides out
[15:08:06] <rob__H> o very nice
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[15:08:20] <PetefromTn> no not really....
[15:08:41] <PetefromTn> it apparently has three bearings as well...
[15:08:51] <PetefromTn> greased.
[15:09:09] <rob__H> ye top an bottom
[15:09:53] <PetefromTn> how do you find the LinuxCNC control in a commercial environment against the other machines you have?
[15:10:25] <rob__H> alot faster to setup for one now days
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[15:10:38] <rob__H> ie touch off set datum any new tools away you go
[15:10:56] <rob__H> programs live in the machine or on the server so fast to get them no more DNC :)
[15:11:43] <PetefromTn> yeah I hated the DNC when I was TRYIN to use the original control...
[15:12:03] <rob__H> o every control likes to talk some other way
[15:12:09] <PetefromTn> Really nice to network or just footwork a flash drive.
[15:12:25] <rob__H> our mitsubishis like somethign else than fanucs... and Philips control is even worse
[15:13:01] <rob__H> the old Simons 810T on old CHNC was a pain to use we never like using that machine much in truth, now we love it
[15:13:30] <PetefromTn> CHNC is sweet little lathe...
[15:14:14] <rob__H> now does 10M all axis .. now has bidirectional turret.. and all parts on it seems to take 20/30 secs lol do its become called the 30sec machine
[15:14:33] <PetefromTn> with linuxCNC?
[15:14:34] <rob__H> use it for 2nd op work so need to be quick too..
[15:14:35] <rob__H> yes
[15:14:54] <PetefromTn> sweet... How do you find the capacity of that machine?
[15:15:02] <rob__H> do have a magazine 1.5M barfeed for it but thas a project waiting again
[15:15:06] <PetefromTn> Does it do most things for you or is it limited?
[15:15:25] <rob__H> its 16C collets the CHNC just travel in X is small so cant gange many tools up
[15:15:25] <PetefromTn> can you slap a chuck on it?
[15:15:29] <rob__H> yes
[15:15:38] <rob__H> loose alot of Z so boring bars etc cant be too long
[15:15:40] <PetefromTn> what size
[15:15:47] <rob__H> but hate working chucks anyway
[15:16:00] <PetefromTn> agreed but for larger items..
[15:16:23] <rob__H> put it on the big DSG lathe lol
[15:16:26] <PetefromTn> does it have the parts catcher?
[15:16:27] <rob__H> 700mm swing
[15:16:50] <rob__H> stole one of the HNC put on it does not fit quite right needs use to make a new one
[15:16:50] <archivist> on a DSG you need a people catcher :)
[15:16:52] <PetefromTn> HOLY SMOKES...
[15:17:17] <rob__H> yea 25hp with gear box so yea you can take a nice cut
[15:17:30] <PetefromTn> I had a 16x60 lathe manual here for awhile but I sold it for room LOL...
[15:17:44] <rob__H> yea room is one of our problems also
[15:17:48] <PetefromTn> what is the CHNC HP?
[15:18:04] <PetefromTn> and spindle speed max?
[15:18:13] <rob__H> i got 2 4m magazine barfeeds turnign up next week no idea where to put them... only need 1 but guy was selling both for a cracking price the same someone wanted for 1
[15:18:31] <Tom_itx> rob__H, take a look at okuma for twin pallets
[15:18:34] <PetefromTn> sweet...
[15:18:49] <rob__H> spindle is 5000rpm
[15:19:02] <rob__H> its got a 6k motor but its gear on pullys abit funny
[15:19:11] <rob__H> as only got a 5kw motor
[15:19:32] <rob__H> Tom_itx, yea they looks nice machines, currently looking at a topper also
[15:19:36] <PetefromTn> I like those rotary pallet machines like the chirons...
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[15:20:04] <PetefromTn> pretty useful for production..
[15:20:22] <rob__H> yea or the swing arm type as quite quick too
[15:20:27] <rob__H> ri, i gota head out, catch u all later
[15:21:05] <PetefromTn> cya man thanks for the chat...
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[15:21:31] <rob__H> go make some chips for a nice vid for us all ;)
[15:21:57] <PetefromTn> working on it man...got a little test project brewing on the laptop cad cam right now...LOL
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[15:22:42] <PetefromTn> Need a decent vise too...
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[15:25:02] <ssi> PetefromTn: quit whining about needing a vise and buy a vise! ;)
[15:25:28] <PetefromTn> ssi: you gonna loan me the cash dude? ROFL
[15:25:48] <PetefromTn> damn things are spensive...
[15:25:53] <ssi> they are spensive
[15:26:05] <ssi> you should sell me that purty VMC, then you'll have cash for vises :)
[15:26:11] <ReadError> ssi is going to give me 11k to buy this cnc off craigslist
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[15:26:37] <PetefromTn> just sold my little 4x6 bandsaw yesterday so that will help LOL...
[15:26:41] <ssi> heheh
[15:26:56] <PetefromTn> ssi: Damn SSI you are QUITE generous...
[15:27:04] <ssi> QUITE
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[15:27:58] <PetefromTn> drawing up a sorta clone to the Edge cat40 tool fixture so I can work on my tooling without slicing my hands off...
[15:28:37] <PetefromTn> should be a fun first project and a good test of the new system as well as hopefully resulting in a usable article...
[15:28:38] <ssi> good plan
[15:28:48] <ssi> I have too many endmill scars on my hands :P
[15:28:52] <PetefromTn> hell I never PLAN anything...
[15:29:21] <PetefromTn> sliced my damn finger on a piece of aluminum flashing yesterday hurtz like a bitch...
[15:29:28] <ssi> ow
[15:29:51] <PetefromTn> when are ya gonna let me take that 750 f1 project for a joy ride dude?
[15:29:57] <ssi> I reached across the mill in a setup once and just grazed the back of my hand on the tooth of an endmill and it flayed me open
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[15:30:01] <ssi> haha it needs a bit of work
[15:30:21] <PetefromTn> Aw hell I've done that tons of times....sharp little bastards...
[15:30:24] <ssi> it's currently in a shed behind my friend's house
[15:30:32] <ssi> the motor mount setup needs to be completely redesigned
[15:30:34] <PetefromTn> Hell I will wring it out for you...
[15:30:38] <ssi> so that the chain can be tensioned properly
[15:30:43] <ssi> shifter needs to be rebuilt
[15:30:53] <PetefromTn> have Tig will travel...
[15:30:58] <ssi> other than that, it's pretty much ready to rock
[15:31:03] <ssi> hell I have a tig welder here
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[15:31:15] <PetefromTn> looks like it...lotsa fun methinks.
[15:31:17] <ssi> I kinda lost interest in it when i realized I can't really get in the thing
[15:31:20] <ssi> its tiny
[15:31:25] <PetefromTn> ROFL
[15:31:34] <PetefromTn> are you a large gentleman?
[15:31:34] <ssi> and I get a bit claustrophobic
[15:31:38] <ssi> I'm big enough
[15:31:44] <PetefromTn> like that.
[15:31:53] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn, sandvik sells a bench tool holder
[15:31:55] <PetefromTn> but not big boned right..
[15:32:08] <Tom_itx> or valenite
[15:32:11] <Tom_itx> i forget which
[15:32:13] <ssi> heh little of column a , little column b
[15:32:14] <Tom_itx> probably both
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[15:32:44] <PetefromTn> Tom_itx: yeah I know lotsa folks do but I am broke right now and need to save for the vise and this is a good project for testing the mill...
[15:33:09] <PetefromTn> ssi: I'm comfortably plump....or is it numb.
[15:33:14] <Tom_itx> it's just a big hex with a hole in it with 2 flat boss's on top to locate the holder
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[15:33:39] <ssi> PetefromTn: I had a real bad motorcycle wreck six years ago, and I screwed up my shoulder and knees real bad
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[15:33:55] <ssi> PetefromTn: and I have a hard time pushing myself up by my arms, cause my shoulder just won't hold up
[15:34:04] <ssi> so if I get in a spot where I can't get my legs under me, I panic a bit
[15:34:08] <PetefromTn> Im making one of these...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOdlYAVhX7o
[15:34:09] <Tecan> (KOdlYAVhX7o) "Pro Tooling Fixture.m2t" by "sgord521" is "Tech" - Length: 0:02:27
[15:34:51] <PetefromTn> ssi: I hear ya man... about two years ago I had to have part of my right lung removed when they thought I had cancer...
[15:34:59] <ssi> yikes
[15:35:00] <PetefromTn> could not do shit for almost a year.
[15:35:07] <ssi> just out of breath all the time?
[15:35:42] <ssi> god I wish I had a machine with cat40 :(
[15:35:46] <PetefromTn> actually it just freakin hurt everywhere, coughing was extremely painful and the surgery just took a lot out of me..
[15:35:57] <ssi> that sucks
[15:36:01] <PetefromTn> Hell man they are everywhere...
[15:36:09] <ssi> I know, I'm looking
[15:36:15] <ssi> I need to put my clausing up for sale
[15:36:18] <ssi> make room and cash
[15:36:22] <PetefromTn> Oh yeah it sure did.
[15:36:34] <PetefromTn> I am pretty fond of my little Cincinatti arrow...
[15:36:51] <ssi> I'm fond of it too :P
[15:36:55] <PetefromTn> Those Fadals are pretty sweet too...like a 15XT
[15:37:30] <ssi> I wish there was an easy way to search for VMC for sale bad control
[15:37:30] <ssi> hahah
[15:37:42] <ssi> when I found the hardinge, it was relatively easy because I was looking for an HNC or CHNC
[15:38:13] <ssi> kinda want to grab that cheap CHNC on ebay right now
[15:38:39] <PetefromTn> yeah man there are ALWAYS machines with blown controls for sale... Might contact some machinery dealers and tell them what you are looking for... they take trade ins and give nothing for them usually.
[15:38:59] <PetefromTn> Another one? you must really like that machine.
[15:39:04] <ssi> I really like it
[15:39:06] <ssi> but I need a mill
[15:39:39] <PetefromTn> wish mine was a 30x20 but honestly the 20x20 mine has is better than the 16x20 of most machines of this size...
[15:39:46] <ssi> 750 sabre for 5kk
[15:39:58] <PetefromTn> Sabre is a decent machine I hear...
[15:40:02] <ssi> I think its 30x20 or 26x20
[15:40:18] <ssi> the trouble I have is you start getting in to machines that big and I don't know how I'd move them
[15:40:26] <ssi> I just got to where I can move 5k machines
[15:40:34] <PetefromTn> You can do like my pal Lee and have all the covers powder coated and make it look brand new.. most of them the sheetmetal looks like sheet.
[15:40:59] <PetefromTn> I moved this one here on a rollback wrecker..it was close by.
[15:41:09] <ssi> well I mean getting it on and off :)
[15:41:21] <ssi> I have a 5klb forklift here now
[15:42:06] <ssi> I need to put all the control boards out of the HNC up for sale too
[15:42:08] <PetefromTn> I bought two 4x4 pressure treated posts and made skids that bolted in where the levelers were on the base of the machine and dragged it off the truck... The driver was able to put it pretty much exactly where I wanted it
[15:42:16] <ssi> somebody out there is still trying to run that dinosaur and needs boards for it
[15:42:34] <ssi> PetefromTn: you think you could strip it down to 5k if you had to?
[15:42:46] <PetefromTn> they can telescope and the truck I used had the ram out back for pulling another car..he used it to winch the machine off....
[15:43:12] <PetefromTn> no not really but not sure why you would need to...just use machinery skates...
[15:43:26] <PetefromTn> it is actually safer than lifting the whole damn thing up..
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[15:43:39] <PetefromTn> I rented a set for like $50.00 a day...
[15:43:47] <ssi> it'd cost me a mint to have a rollback move something halfway cross the country
[15:44:13] <PetefromTn> I used a HF porta power to jack it up and down I bought for like $80.00...
[15:44:22] <PetefromTn> Thats why you try to find one local...
[15:44:29] <ssi> yeah easier said than done :P
[15:45:05] <PetefromTn> check with local machine shops sometimes they are gonna upgrade and if you can be ready when the move the new machine in the driver will move your machine for you..
[15:45:20] <PetefromTn> if you buy the old one..
[15:46:43] <ssi> ew there's an AHC for sale locally
[15:46:44] <ssi> lol
[15:46:47] <PetefromTn> or just pay a rigger....they are not terrible usually for local stuff.
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[15:47:01] <ssi> yea that'd be the easy way, but I have no idea what that'd actually cost
[15:47:19] <PetefromTn> I got a quote from a machine tool dealer out of florida that would move a machine they had here and install it for $1500.00
[15:47:29] <ssi> that's not bad
[15:47:35] <PetefromTn> Nope
[15:47:35] <ssi> move it from florida and install?
[15:47:38] <ssi> that's actually really not bad
[15:47:40] <PetefromTn> yeah man.
[15:48:00] <ssi> anyway gotta go feed the woman
[15:48:01] <ssi> back in a bit
[15:48:17] <PetefromTn> feed her man...shell take care of ya.
[15:48:21] <PetefromTn> LOL
[15:49:19] <Tom_itx> friend had one brought over from the old shop when they got a new one for $500
[15:55:30] <Tom_itx> making a fancy load resistor: http://www.thebackshed.com/Windmill/articles/BuildingEncapsulatedResistors.asp
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[15:56:56] <PetefromTn> whazzat for? Are you making an EDM or something?
[15:57:53] <PetefromTn> I used the Water heater elements for braking resistors on my machine..seem to work okay so far.
[16:00:30] <toastyde1th> another method is to use a salt load
[16:01:07] <PetefromTn> whut?
[16:02:29] <toastyde1th> You fill a tank with salt water, and depending on the load, recirculate it through a radiator
[16:02:44] <toastyde1th> you take some copper tubes, and those are your electrodes
[16:03:07] <toastyde1th> by adusting the distance between the electrodes, you get different resistances
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[16:03:26] <toastyde1th> and it's all very high current
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[16:04:24] <Tom_itx> i'd think the salt would corrode the tank eventually
[16:04:41] <toastyde1th> apparently it works super well
[16:05:29] <Tom_itx> or use a saltwater fishtank :)
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[16:06:25] <toastyde1th> some people mount the second electrode set on a sled and screw
[16:06:34] <toastyde1th> so they can adjust the resistance fairly finely
[16:06:38] <Tom_itx> good idea
[16:06:45] <toastyde1th> and obviously this is linuxcnc
[16:06:49] <toastyde1th> so i'd expect it to have a stepper
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[16:17:13] <PetefromTn> interesting..
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[16:26:53] <pcw_home> unfortunately the brake resistor source is DC so you get 360VDC, salt water, and Chlorine, Not the safest combo
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[16:27:29] <roh> hrhr
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[16:28:07] <PetefromTn> I think I'll stick with my water heater elements LOL
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[16:28:34] <roh> do recent vfd still need external brake resistors?
[16:28:43] <pcw_home> yes
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[16:29:09] <PetefromTn> actually from what is seems like MOST of them do.... many don't even have internals anymore..
[16:29:32] <roh> i see.. i assumed they did something with mosfets and choppers to get that onto some regular heatsink
[16:29:55] <PetefromTn> its a lot of heat to dissipate
[16:30:08] <pcw_home> The problem is that you need to dump the energy from the load somtimes
[16:31:16] <pcw_home> Otherwise it pumps up your main filter capacitor till something busts
[16:31:42] <pcw_home> (to use a technical term)
[16:32:03] <roh> sure.. but why not sink it into something easy to cool like a heatsink?
[16:32:36] <roh> when i see an air cooled wire wound resistor i think of 'thats how people did it before modern manufacturing'
[16:32:55] <pcw_home> Might be KW dont want it around semiconductors or filter caps
[16:33:26] <pcw_home> much better to have it outside
[16:34:06] <roh> hm.. seems weird.. even a dirt old npn 2n3055 can sink >100W
[16:34:14] <PetefromTn> wifey just made me some fresh homemade Guacamole and chips with a cold soda. Damn it is GOOD!!
[16:34:22] <pcw_home> Large and fancy VFDs have a separate inverter to dump the energy back into the power lines
[16:34:37] <roh> pcw_home: aaah. thats the charm. i see..
[16:34:46] <pcw_home> just about doubles the cost as you might imagine
[16:35:04] <PetefromTn> too bad we can't re-use that power better....
[16:35:21] <generic_nick|3> would 3 of these work for a disk encoder for my mill's spindle for rigid tapping? http://www.newark.com/honeywell-s-c/hoa6991-t55/optoschmitt-sensor-3-18mm-oc-totem/dp/90F8585
[16:35:24] <roh> well. then maybe the vfd ive seen recently do that.. danfoss stuff. atleast ive not seen big R loads
[16:35:30] <generic_nick|3> a,b, and index
[16:36:04] <pcw_home> A compromise that used sometimes is to connect the DC buses of all axis in parallel
[16:36:16] <roh> gotta run.. bbl
[16:36:29] <PetefromTn> cya....
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[16:40:07] <pcw_home> generic_nick|3: should be OK though seems expensive
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[16:40:43] <generic_nick|3> yea i noticed that too
[16:41:27] <generic_nick|3> hmm
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[16:47:30] <pcw_home> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/EE-SX460-P1/OR1002-ND/368619
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[16:48:59] <Tom_itx> would need a pullup
[16:49:05] <pcw_home> Yep
[16:49:53] <Tom_itx> i'd stick one on the plug pins
[16:50:04] <Tom_itx> too bad they didn't
[16:50:41] <generic_nick|3> i think i looked at that one
[16:50:44] <generic_nick|3> hmm
[16:51:15] <generic_nick|3> i think mounting looked a bit weird
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[16:52:39] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[16:53:06] <Tom_itx> snap in fit
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[16:54:33] <generic_nick|3> http://www.optekinc.com/datasheets/OPB816.PDF
[16:54:52] <generic_nick|3> $3.30 each
[16:58:12] <pcw_home> slightly sleazier (no built in amp/Schmitt trigger)
[16:59:44] <generic_nick|3> http://www.mouser.com/ds/2/414/OPB900-913-23105.pdf
[16:59:47] <generic_nick|3> ttl
[17:00:30] <pcw_home> Thats better, no external components needed
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[17:00:42] <generic_nick|3> looks the same as the honeywell, just half the price
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[17:00:54] <Tom_itx> W series would be ideal
[17:01:09] <generic_nick|3> just need a resistor for the led, right?
[17:01:09] <pcw_home> May be the same...
[17:01:36] <generic_nick|3> to knock it down from 5v i mean
[17:01:36] <Tom_itx> you can specify the output
[17:01:39] <pcw_home> Yep forgot that
[17:02:08] <generic_nick|3> Tom_itx: w series?
[17:02:15] <Tom_itx> wires over leads
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[17:02:57] <generic_nick|3> http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Optek/OPB912W55Z/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMvDlz5Naxv8kM78Qdf%2f8pI3jj51sZdgrL8%3d
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[17:03:13] <generic_nick|3> thats the one i was looking at, wires instead of leads
[17:04:06] <Tom_itx> jacks the price back up too
[17:04:19] <pcw_home> ~150 Ohm resistor
[17:04:38] <IchGuckLive> i woudt go 360ohm at 5v
[17:04:46] <generic_nick|3> for 5 bucks, i think im ok with that
[17:04:51] <IchGuckLive> and 560 at 12
[17:05:11] <generic_nick|3> cool, i think i found the one. thanks guys!
[17:05:28] <pcw_home> All their specs are at 20 mA
[17:05:28] <Tom_itx> np, we just watched you click
[17:05:58] <generic_nick|3> Tom_itx: it helps to bounce this stuff off of you guys, most of the numbers are greek to me.
[17:06:09] <Tom_itx> generic_nick|3, you want the ouput inverted?
[17:06:16] <Tom_itx> that's the one you linked
[17:06:24] <generic_nick|3> i dont know, does it matter?
[17:06:33] <generic_nick|3> i figured it wouldnt matter
[17:06:39] <Tom_itx> fix it in hardware... fix it in software
[17:06:42] <Tom_itx> your call
[17:06:52] <generic_nick|3> hmm
[17:07:04] <pcw_home> you dont really care about inversion
[17:07:09] <Tom_itx> inverted would be active low
[17:07:17] <generic_nick|3> thats what i thought pcw_home
[17:07:19] <Tom_itx> probably not on an encoder
[17:07:25] <generic_nick|3> ok cool
[17:07:30] <pcw_home> if it counts the wrong way, swap a,b
[17:07:35] <generic_nick|3> right
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[17:07:52] <generic_nick|3> ok thanks again, off to do some work.
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[17:12:01] <IchGuckLive> pcw_home: is the 7i80db driver for linuxcnc 2.5.2 out anywhere
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[17:15:26] <pcw_home> There are instructions in the wiki for a (beta) version
[17:15:38] <IchGuckLive> thanks
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[17:24:52] <FredrikHson1> https://www.dropbox.com/s/ju7kbk2k1viwjb6/facesanded.JPG still needs a little bit of sanding
[17:25:14] <IchGuckLive> but is perfect to be
[17:25:43] <IchGuckLive> mill time
[17:26:07] <L84Supper> FredrikHson1: made on your CNC mill?
[17:26:11] <FredrikHson1> yes
[17:26:34] <L84Supper> what do you use for a spindle?
[17:27:06] <FredrikHson1> http://members.optusnet.com.au/swensenr/photogallery/DynaMyte%20CNC%20Mill%20%28S%29.jpg one of these
[17:27:27] <IchGuckLive> is it a 5 axis
[17:27:32] <FredrikHson1> just 3
[17:27:49] <IchGuckLive> how did you get the nose holes backwards
[17:28:06] <FredrikHson1> they aren't backwards
[17:28:16] <IchGuckLive> and there is no radius on face plate corner
[17:28:17] <FredrikHson1> the face is tilted a bit back however
[17:29:02] <IchGuckLive> ok for me it looks sharp there so what bit did you use
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[17:29:55] <FredrikHson1> 10mm ball mill and a 6mm for the roughing then a 3mm for the large areas and finally a 1mm for the sharp areas
[17:30:14] <IchGuckLive> nice
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[17:32:50] <PetefromTn> beautiful...
[17:33:03] <PetefromTn> whats your software
[17:33:34] <IchGuckLive> PetefromTn: this can make near every software
[17:33:39] <gene78> Hey Guys, silly Q, what are the units of HOME_OFFSET in the ini file
[17:33:58] <IchGuckLive> as the mashine gene
[17:34:09] <PetefromTn> huh?
[17:34:36] <IchGuckLive> PetefromTn: look at my heekscad tutorials on this
[17:34:51] <gene78> Radii or Diameter, I cannot make my HOME positions converge on 0
[17:35:15] <IchGuckLive> gene78: lathe ?
[17:35:20] <gene78> Yes
[17:35:42] <IchGuckLive> diameter is standard
[17:36:06] <IchGuckLive> did you configure the Startup codes
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[17:36:29] <gene78> Ok, var is zeroed, I'll home it, then check
[17:37:26] <gene78> G7 G18 G20 G90 G97
[17:37:44] <IchGuckLive> PetefromTn http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtymMSJy8AA
[17:37:46] <Tecan> (jtymMSJy8AA) "Heekscad/cnc Tutorial STL Milling Atachment pocketing issue Solving (Getting lower then Zero)" by "magic33de" is "Education" - Length: 0:05:11
[17:38:57] <IchGuckLive> PetefromTn http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3m5Liw8LVY
[17:38:58] <Tecan> (A3m5Liw8LVY) "Heekscad CNC a STL with atatch and pocket neer shape Cutting" by "magic33de" is "Education" - Length: 0:06:04
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[17:42:11] <IchGuckLive> gene78: you got the doc inside http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3m5Liw8LVY
[17:42:21] <IchGuckLive> sorry http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/2.4/html/config_ini_homing.html
[17:43:28] <gene78> I am running the devel version, looking at the devel docs in html on the wiki, and it does say
[17:43:38] <IchGuckLive> HOME The position that the joint will go to upon completion of the homing sequence. After detecting the index pulse, and setting the coordinate of that point to HOME_OFFSET
[17:43:41] <gene78> doesn't say
[17:44:01] <IchGuckLive> so you may set your HOME_OFFSET zero and move to Home 1
[17:44:24] <IchGuckLive> Home offset is the switch mesurment
[17:44:37] <IchGuckLive> home is the point to be moved after homing
[17:44:37] <FredrikHson1> hmmm heekscad got to try that out probably won't switch from mastercam but would be nice something that is open source
[17:44:57] <IchGuckLive> FredrikHson1: B)
[17:45:06] <gene78> Correct, home_offset is where the switch is
[17:45:10] <PetefromTn_> IchGuckLive: is that what FredrichHson is using?
[17:45:14] <IchGuckLive> best on this STL or STEP is Deskproto
[17:45:31] <FredrikHson1> PetefromTn_: mastercam x for what i used for this
[17:45:58] <PetefromTn_> Oh must be nice LOL
[17:46:05] <IchGuckLive> As i daid all Cam systems can make this G-code patz for 3 Axis
[17:46:13] <IchGuckLive> said
[17:46:28] <IchGuckLive> its just zigzagging over areas
[17:46:48] <FredrikHson1> i didn't go zigzagging over this at all :P
[17:46:50] <IchGuckLive> even pycam can do this kind of toolpath
[17:46:56] <FredrikHson1> used the constant scallop feature
[17:47:08] <FredrikHson1> and the pencil traces for the details with the 1mm mill
[17:47:28] <IchGuckLive> agree as mastercam is professionell
[17:47:34] <gene78> ATM I have a piece chucked that measures .489", its homed at .000000, run the bit to trap a .030" feeler gauge, display says .533, which way do I move HOME_OFFSET, and by how much?
[17:47:41] <IchGuckLive> as i woudt do the same on ProE
[17:48:05] <PetefromTn_> is that your video IchGuckLive?
[17:48:11] <IchGuckLive> yes
[17:48:26] <FredrikHson1> but when i got my hands on mastercam no open source alternatives seemed to exist so just stuck with that since then also the simulation feature is kinda nice to avoid issues i guess
[17:48:49] <IchGuckLive> PetefromTn_: look at deskproto its 30 days freee
[17:49:27] <PetefromTn_> I am not sure what to use. Been considering buying Cambam 3d
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[17:50:16] <IchGuckLive> gene78: just try
[17:50:16] <PetefromTn_> How much is Heekscad?
[17:50:21] <IchGuckLive> free
[17:50:29] <IchGuckLive> opensource
[17:50:48] <IchGuckLive> you can programm what ever you want into it
[17:50:52] <PetefromTn_> Like free...
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[17:51:34] <IchGuckLive> http://www.deskproto.com/products/entry-ed.htm
[17:51:43] <IchGuckLive> 150Euros for a realy good cam
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[17:51:58] <gene78> When I compare the feeler gauge reading to the displayed diameter, it makes no sense.
[17:52:10] <FredrikHson1> ok did something wrong i guess it cut away everything :P
[17:52:31] <IchGuckLive> gene78: your switch is a ?
[17:53:22] <IchGuckLive> gene78: unhome and rehome and see if it is always the same on the homing switch
[17:53:38] <gene78> with a .030" gauge the display says .533, run it in till the tool touches and it display about 20 thou less than actual, Switch is contact detected by G38
[17:54:40] <IchGuckLive> gene78: the tool mesurment is G38 but the homing we are talking about
[17:54:52] <gene78> switch is portable gauge I made, sits on the ways, faced with dbl sided PCB for tool contact
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[17:55:05] <FredrikHson1> uum just checking this heekscnc does it need a watertight model or would overlapping geometry be ok?
[17:55:15] <gene78> I have a link in hal from the probe to the home
[17:55:58] <IchGuckLive> FredrikHson1: i use Blender§D to fill the gabs its also opensource Deskproto doesent matter
[17:56:09] <IchGuckLive> Blender 3D
[17:56:14] <gene78> Where is this UNHOME?
[17:56:35] <IchGuckLive> gene78: Mashine menue
[17:56:42] <gene78> found it
[17:56:45] <IchGuckLive> FredrikHson1: http://www.blender.org/
[17:56:53] <FredrikHson1> already using blender :P
[17:57:08] <FredrikHson1> just wondered if it was the 2 part mesh that made it cut away everything
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[17:57:44] <IchGuckLive> you need to atatch the part befor pocketing
[17:58:04] <IchGuckLive> otherwise only pocket the sketch
[17:58:18] <FredrikHson1> i see
[17:58:24] <PetefromTn_> Which is better Heeks or Desk?
[17:58:31] <IchGuckLive> DESK ofcause
[17:58:38] <PetefromTn_> why is that?
[17:58:42] <IchGuckLive> its a RHino outsource
[17:58:58] <IchGuckLive> Rhinoceros
[17:59:03] <PetefromTn_> watching tutorial now..
[17:59:21] <IchGuckLive> http://www.rhino3d.com/gallery
[17:59:43] <IchGuckLive> semiprofesionel software
[18:00:06] <IchGuckLive> the Real cAD Cams are about 5K +
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[18:00:15] <IchGuckLive> the semis around 1K
[18:00:21] <ReadError> hey guys
[18:00:29] <ReadError> i found the 1st thing i ever cut on my cnc....
[18:00:32] <IchGuckLive> and the CAD Cam outsorved around 200
[18:00:36] <ReadError> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Arnf0VnCAAA7iqs.jpg:large
[18:00:42] <ReadError> some folks may get it, others not
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[18:01:11] <IchGuckLive> ReadError: self pictured
[18:01:27] <ReadError> ya
[18:01:32] <FredrikHson1> not fast this thing for making the paths or maybe that is my fault with the mesh density ;)
[18:01:56] <IchGuckLive> FredrikHson1: agree on that
[18:02:04] <FredrikHson1> only 60k faces tho
[18:02:21] <IchGuckLive> FredrikHson1: try the deskproto and you will be impressed
[18:03:38] <IchGuckLive> FredrikHson1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JXM7YrNvTM
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[18:03:53] <Tecan> (7JXM7YrNvTM) "DeskProto Basics Tutorial" by "LexLennings" is "Tech" - Length: 0:10:00
[18:04:38] <IchGuckLive> FredrikHson1: best on dekproto for me as a foamcutter is the suportfunktion to the bottem or top of the parts
[18:04:57] <IchGuckLive> also good on making faces or sculps
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[18:05:38] <IchGuckLive> it alaso suports 5Axis
[18:05:56] <IchGuckLive> 4axis rotation (lathe) style
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[18:06:26] <IchGuckLive> FredrikHson did you get the last youtube
[18:06:40] <IchGuckLive> from deskproto
[18:06:50] <FredrikHson> yeah
[18:07:03] <IchGuckLive> try it its almost worth it
[18:07:22] <FredrikHson> ok now heeks is done... and it didn't cut deep enough thanks to that liit in the attachop
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[18:08:21] <IchGuckLive> ok im off BY
[18:08:42] <IchGuckLive> have a nice suturday where ever yiou break your bits ! O.O
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[18:10:49] <PetefromTn_> likin' that two sided manual flip feature.
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[18:20:27] <PetefromTn_> Damn this Deskproto looks pretty impressive and relatively simple to use.
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[18:27:40] <FredrikHson> looks fast enough at least
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[18:32:59] <PetefromTn_> yeah it sure does. I have ZERO experience with 3d toolpaths so I am trying to learn here. Everything I have made thus far has been fancy 2.5d
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[18:45:57] <ssi> I really hate it when software vendors say "runs on a mac"
[18:46:10] <ssi> and then subline "using windows in parallels"
[18:46:16] <ssi> or worse, "using windows in bootcamp"
[18:48:50] <ssi> hm there's a shop closing locally selling a complete hardinge conquest 42 setup, fully tooled
[18:48:53] <ssi> with barfeeder
[18:48:54] <ssi> I wonder how much they want for that
[18:49:18] <ssi> er it's in arizona
[18:49:24] <ssi> wtf is it doing on atlanta craigslist
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[18:51:02] <PetefromTn_> check out this video of deskproto running a five axis VMC cutting a $5.00 toy car LOL....amazing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWmvhudEtsY
[18:51:03] <Tecan> (bWmvhudEtsY) "Five-Axis machining an Austin Healey model, using DeskProto" by "LexLennings" is "Tech" - Length: 0:02:47
[18:51:15] <skunkworks> ssi: get your plasma running?
[18:51:31] <ssi> not yet!
[18:51:36] <ssi> gonna work on it this afternoon
[18:51:45] <ssi> motion is working, and I can fire the torch from linuxcnc
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[18:51:52] <ssi> I need to get a touchoff routine figured out
[18:51:58] <ssi> get piercing and arctransfer/arcok working
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[18:52:06] <ssi> it's mostly software at this point I think
[18:52:40] <skunkworks> neat
[18:53:52] <ssi> I wish i could get sheetcam on linux to work over a thrown X ssh session
[18:55:22] <ssi> ooh someone's selling 1/2 tooling plate on craigslist for somewhat reasonable money
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[18:59:14] <skunkworks> PetefromTn_: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1DCXe9t3UE
[18:59:15] <Tecan> (R1DCXe9t3UE) "PMC Mini 5-axis CNC machining (小型五軸加工)" by "YU-AN Liu" is "Tech" - Length: 0:04:18
[18:59:36] <skunkworks> you can see the preview in axis is actual tool path... Kins are cool.
[19:01:59] <PetefromTn_> Dayum LinuxCNC is so badass....why the hell would anyone want to use Mach3?
[19:02:04] <skunkworks> heh
[19:02:26] <PetefromTn_> Ill bet that baby is spencive...
[19:03:24] <ssi> people want to use mach3 because it's dirt simple
[19:03:30] <ssi> linuxcnc is amazing, but there's a learning curve
[19:03:46] <ssi> also, I hate to say it, but there are a couple things mach3 can do that linuxcnc can't :(
[19:04:13] <generic_nick|3> ssi: i think you were right about the dirty tach on my HNC
[19:04:17] <ssi> generic_nick|3: :D
[19:04:19] <generic_nick|3> thanks for the tip
[19:04:29] <ssi> I love being useful
[19:04:32] <generic_nick|3> cleaned the brushes and so far so good.
[19:04:32] <ssi> it happens so infrequently
[19:04:34] <PetefromTn_> my buddy Art just got one of those small LED flood lights they were chatting about on the zone. He said it is crazy bright for the power level. Might have to grab a couple for this VMC interior.
[19:04:47] <PetefromTn_> such as?
[19:04:49] <generic_nick|3> dude thats been bugging me for so long...
[19:04:53] <skunkworks> ssi: yes - jog while pause is a big thing for some people.. I didn't know I was missing it .. ;)
[19:04:59] <ssi> skunkworks: yea there's that
[19:05:02] <ssi> plus joint slaving
[19:05:07] <PetefromTn_> Yeah I have heard that...
[19:05:08] <ssi> and constant velocity cutting
[19:05:12] <ssi> both of those things I need for plasma
[19:05:19] <ssi> I have half-assed joint slaving for now
[19:05:21] <skunkworks> ssi: joint slaving is possible - just not in a easy gui sort of way..
[19:05:30] <PetefromTn_> I thought joint slaving was possible in linuxCNC
[19:05:38] <skunkworks> and there are about 100 ways to do it..
[19:05:43] <PetefromTn_> In fact that is one of the things I liked about it.
[19:06:00] <ssi> skunkworks: well I have slaving right now, easily... what I don't have yet is homing
[19:06:04] <ssi> and I don't know how that's gonna go exactly
[19:06:11] <skunkworks> sure
[19:06:14] <ssi> it's going to be a complex spaghetti of hal to do it
[19:06:19] <ds3> is there a G-code streaming UI? Sort of like the hal stuff for remote but at the G-code level?
[19:06:31] <PetefromTn_> Honestly from what I have seen the list of what LinuxCNC CAN do is way longer than what it Can't do and it is FREE...
[19:06:42] <ssi> PetefromTn_: I'm not knocking it by any means
[19:06:45] <ssi> I love it
[19:06:54] <skunkworks> Sure - and it keeps getting improvement.
[19:06:56] <ssi> hell, I'm a developer now :D
[19:07:06] <PetefromTn_> Oh jeez god help us all...
[19:07:09] <ssi> hehehe
[19:07:11] <skunkworks> It isn't perfect - but is pretty powerful
[19:07:15] <ssi> but you asked, and I answered
[19:07:18] <generic_nick|3> PetefromTn_: there is nothing i can think of that emc doesnt do that i would need on a machine
[19:07:27] <ssi> CV would be really nice
[19:07:28] <PetefromTn_> agreed....
[19:07:38] <skunkworks> well - better cv... but it does ok
[19:07:47] <generic_nick|3> except for get me a beer, but i think i could possibly have it do that.
[19:07:50] <ssi> fortunately I got the accel up on this machine pretty good
[19:08:01] <PetefromTn_> has it flown apart yet?
[19:08:06] <generic_nick|3> what machine ssi?
[19:08:13] <generic_nick|3> plasma?
[19:08:15] <ssi> plasma
[19:08:20] <generic_nick|3> nice
[19:08:21] <ssi> I'm at 200i/s/s X, 100i/s/s Y
[19:08:23] <skunkworks> yes - high acceleration does hide the trajectory planner issues..
[19:08:29] <ssi> right
[19:08:39] <ssi> and I settled on 1800ipm for rapids
[19:08:41] <pcw_home> You can do slaved axis homing in JA3
[19:08:42] <ssi> nice and quick
[19:08:46] <ssi> the X will run much faster
[19:08:52] <ssi> Y won't really
[19:08:56] <generic_nick|3> 1800 is fasr
[19:08:58] <skunkworks> ssi: How are you with trajectory planning ;)
[19:09:03] <ssi> pcw_home: i'll cross that bridge when I get switches installed
[19:09:04] <PetefromTn_> How fast can you really cut with plasma anyways?
[19:09:11] <ssi> PetefromTn_: 600ipm easily
[19:09:16] <ssi> thin stuff, probably faster
[19:09:18] <generic_nick|3> really??
[19:09:30] <ssi> the hypertherm manual tops out at 600ipm cause that was the fastest their test table would run
[19:09:31] <generic_nick|3> i must be going too slow lol
[19:09:31] <PetefromTn_> never seen one go that fast on the tube...
[19:09:48] <ssi> yea if you cut thin stuff too slow, you get low speed dross
[19:09:49] <PetefromTn_> doesn't the cut suffer?
[19:09:56] <ssi> quite the opposite
[19:10:06] <ssi> need speed to cut thin
[19:10:15] <ssi> otherwise you have to turn your current way down and use finecut consumables
[19:10:16] <generic_nick|3> i found that consumables last longer and the cut looks better the faster you go
[19:10:23] <ssi> exactly
[19:10:27] <66MAAEBVN> question, O numbers for sub and branches, the number used, will it confilct with variabes?
[19:10:28] <generic_nick|3> but thats by hand
[19:10:36] <generic_nick|3> never tried a plasma table
[19:10:52] <66MAAEBVN> so #100 and O100, is that OK to do?
[19:10:53] <PetefromTn_> I need to get me a plasma..
[19:11:00] <generic_nick|3> i heart plasma
[19:11:02] <PetefromTn_> and a vise....
[19:11:04] <66MAAEBVN> me too
[19:11:05] <PetefromTn_> and and and...
[19:11:14] <ds3> prehaops I should ask that diferently. is there a way to dynamically send G code commands (say via an external script)?
[19:11:19] <66MAAEBVN> I will be building one, I have the torch
[19:11:34] <generic_nick|3> me too 66MAAEBVN
[19:11:47] <skunkworks> ds3: yes..
[19:11:48] <PetefromTn_> whats the feasibility of building a dual Plasma/CNC router machine?
[19:11:57] <ssi> PetefromTn_: thats what I was originally gonna do
[19:12:03] <ssi> but it's really not a great idea
[19:12:09] <PetefromTn_> That sounds like a fun and worthwhile build.
[19:12:12] <ssi> they have different design goals
[19:12:12] <ds3> skunkworks: is that through a dedicated UI or is htere some option on another UI?
[19:12:21] <PetefromTn_> how so..
[19:12:28] <ssi> plasma has no cutting forces
[19:12:34] <PetefromTn_> so?
[19:12:43] <ssi> plasma wants speed
[19:12:46] <ssi> router wants rigidity
[19:12:48] <PetefromTn_> so?
[19:12:55] <Connor> Plasma's need speed.. tend to be rack or belt driven.
[19:12:55] <ssi> plasma needs a water table or a downdraft table
[19:13:03] <ssi> router... doesn't
[19:13:12] <66MAAEBVN> he is saying plasma can be a light fast frame
[19:13:18] <PetefromTn_> yeah but you could make a plasma with a router plate add in..
[19:13:19] <ssi> can and SHOULD
[19:13:26] <ssi> you can certainly do it
[19:13:27] <skunkworks> ds3: do you want something like http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.5/html/man/man1/linuxcncrsh.1.html
[19:13:42] <Connor> You can make a router that is fast too..
[19:13:45] <pcw_home> "should" because you need high accel
[19:13:47] <66MAAEBVN> will the router be fast enough?
[19:13:49] <PetefromTn_> Most routers haul ass...
[19:13:53] <66MAAEBVN> over kill for sure
[19:14:15] <PetefromTn_> at least the commercial ones I have seen were REALLY fast.
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[19:14:40] <Connor> PetefromTn_: We could do it.. :) I Have a little exp on building a router. :)
[19:14:41] <PetefromTn_> We had a biesse and an Onsrud in the shops I used to work in.
[19:14:52] <ds3> skunkworks: not quite... that is for the entire machine. I am just looking for something that will let me do that with MDI
[19:14:53] <ssi> building something that's rigid enough to mill AND has enough accel to do plasma is going to be difficult and expensive
[19:14:58] <PetefromTn_> Yeah but we are not talking about toys here LOL.
[19:15:29] <Connor> PetefromTn_: *smack*
[19:15:32] <PetefromTn_> JK connor your machine looks pretty damn cool, Id want one..
[19:15:34] <66MAAEBVN> what about the problem of table
[19:15:46] <ds3> ssi: dumb question - does plasma cut non ferrous stuff?
[19:15:55] <PetefromTn_> I was thinking of something like the mechmate...
[19:16:03] <PetefromTn_> yes it does cut aluminum etc...
[19:16:04] <66MAAEBVN> router table and plasma table are completely different
[19:16:27] <Connor> You just need a removable spoilboard..
[19:16:33] <Connor> that's no big deal.
[19:16:35] <PetefromTn_> I don't see how really... just make a table insert for the router setup and two heads...
[19:16:45] <PetefromTn_> yes exactly...
[19:16:47] <ds3> skunkworks: nevermind.. I see the mdi command within there
[19:16:56] <skunkworks> ds3: oh good..
[19:17:19] <66MAAEBVN> if one had a shallow large tray with hold up grid in it I guess it could work
[19:17:22] <PetefromTn_> Those mechmates look very capable...
[19:17:23] * skunkworks wasn't really understanding what ds3 wanted...
[19:17:27] <Connor> The *BIGGEST* issue with a dual purpose machine.. is changing it back and forth...
[19:17:43] <skunkworks> Connor: 2 heads...
[19:18:03] <ds3> skunkworks: I want to experiment using my mill as a robot. The simpliest way I can think of doing that is I write a perl script that attaches to the controls and send G00/G01 commands.
[19:18:27] <Connor> skunkworks: Yea.. but, still have to change the spoilboard back and forth unless you can come up with some sort of cool method for doing that easily..
[19:18:31] <PetefromTn_> Man I'd love to have a 4x8 mechmate built as a plasma AND a router...
[19:18:41] <Connor> like maybe suspend the spolboard from the ceiling and lower it down.
[19:18:42] <skunkworks> Connor: minor details ;)
[19:18:45] <PetefromTn_> that would be kickass..
[19:18:49] <66MAAEBVN> removing the spoil board would not fix things, what about the vacumme section under the spoil bourd?
[19:19:06] <PetefromTn_> you make vacuum hold down plates...
[19:19:09] <Connor> 66MAAEBVN: You don't have to use a vacuume..
[19:19:21] <Connor> you tie down to the spoilboard direct.
[19:19:27] <generic_nick|3> does anyone make a 2 or 3 axis stepper driver that plugs into a parport and has maybe a few gpio's?
[19:19:31] <PetefromTn_> yup MDF is cheap..
[19:19:55] <PetefromTn_> Connor: So man when we gonna build one LOL....
[19:20:11] <ds3> generic_nick|3: the older (open loop) Taig CNC controls are that
[19:20:12] <PetefromTn_> I beleive I have the technology..
[19:20:20] <PetefromTn_> believe...
[19:20:20] <skunkworks> PetefromTn_: your cincinatti will make the parts easy...
[19:20:23] <skunkworks> ;)
[19:20:25] <Connor> So, basiclly, you make a box frame with support to hold the spoilboard.. and make it so you suspend it above the table..and lower it down into place..and "lock it in"
[19:20:28] <PetefromTn_> Yeah man...
[19:20:39] <66MAAEBVN> back to my question
[19:20:47] <generic_nick|3> ds3: that would be perfect for a cheap plasma
[19:20:53] <Connor> 66MAAEBVN: What was your question ?
[19:21:26] <ds3> generic_nick|3: really? I don't understand the plasma stuff. don't even know what it can gut
[19:21:31] <skunkworks> 66MAAEBVN: yes 0100 is different from #100
[19:21:35] <Connor> I need to go grab lunch.. then go out to the shop, tram my vise and start making the rest of my PDB parts..
[19:22:03] <generic_nick|3> i just want to make one on the cheap since its only for hobby stuff
[19:22:33] <66MAAEBVN> O100 and #100, is that OK to do?
[19:22:53] <66MAAEBVN> would mess each other up?
[19:23:03] <skunkworks> no
[19:23:17] <ssi> .4156
[19:23:23] <66MAAEBVN> bad questioning
[19:23:38] <66MAAEBVN> your saying no to messing each other up
[19:23:39] <PetefromTn_> Connor: cya....
[19:23:49] <66MAAEBVN> not to would it be OK to do
[19:23:55] <PetefromTn_> I need to get my ass off this computer and go make something too LOL.
[19:24:24] <66MAAEBVN> I am guessing
[19:24:57] <66MAAEBVN> sorry for wording 2 questions in that way
[19:25:11] <skunkworks> it is okay to use 0100 and #100 in the same program
[19:25:14] <PetefromTn_> talk to you fellows later. peace
[19:25:15] <skunkworks> :)
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[19:48:45] <skunkworks> #electronics
[19:48:47] <skunkworks> hsh
[19:48:49] <skunkworks> heh
[19:49:14] <r00t4rd3d> #ebonics
[19:49:29] <Aero-Tec> my company name is Aero-Tec electronics
[19:50:10] <Aero-Tec> skunkworks why did you post #electronics?
[19:50:29] <skunkworks> I meant to do /join #electronics
[19:50:46] <Aero-Tec> cool
[19:50:52] <Aero-Tec> I will check it out as well
[19:53:40] <skunkworks> Aero-Tec: what do you make?
[19:58:04] <Aero-Tec> mostly make and run CNC equpment right now
[19:58:24] <Aero-Tec> have made lots of things over the years
[19:59:34] <Aero-Tec> done production runs and was close to settting up a surface mont production line but that fell through
[19:59:59] <Aero-Tec> can design and make just about anything
[20:00:27] <Aero-Tec> also program micro controlers
[20:00:51] <Aero-Tec> going way back to assembly programming
[20:01:18] <ssi> ok so plasma table is working
[20:01:23] <ssi> but it's not waiting on arc ok
[20:06:59] <Aero-Tec> when logging on
[20:07:36] <Aero-Tec> '/msg NickServ user pass
[20:07:55] <Aero-Tec> is that the right format?
[20:09:36] <ssi> I think it's /msg NickServ identify pass
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[20:13:03] <Aero-Tec> keeps saying
[20:13:06] <Aero-Tec> NickServ No such nick/channel
[20:13:26] <Aero-Tec> will not let me log in
[20:14:29] <Aero-Tec> NickServ- This nickname is registered. Please choose a different nickname, or identify via /msg NickServ identify <password>.
[20:14:59] <ssi> oh
[20:15:03] <ssi> nickserv's not here man
[20:15:04] <Aero-Tec> I have tried to log in and nothing
[20:15:06] <ssi> we're netsplit
[20:15:27] <Aero-Tec> I was doing it in anouther window
[20:15:39] <ssi> so?
[20:16:03] <Aero-Tec> so then how do I log in?
[20:16:43] <Aero-Tec> I am using mIRC and new to it
[20:16:57] <Aero-Tec> I was able to log in with chatzilla
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[20:20:00] <ssi> lol
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[20:26:14] <ssi> arc transfer feedhold works :D
[20:26:17] <ssi> we're makin sparks folks
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[20:36:57] <Aero-Tec> how does one see if your nick is still registered?
[20:37:57] <Aero-Tec> then how does one identify them selves?
[20:38:09] <Aero-Tec> thing are not working like they did
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[20:40:29] <Tom_itx> Aero-Tec, it's a freenode thing right now
[20:40:39] <Tom_itx> their servers are all screwed up
[20:41:08] <Aero-Tec> ok
[20:41:10] <Aero-Tec> thanks
[20:41:22] <Tom_itx> give it some time then try
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[21:14:36] <generic_nick|3> cant be much worse than what was on there
[21:14:53] <generic_nick|3> gunna etch the hell out of it first.
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[22:21:54] <PetefromTn> ...
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[22:27:32] <Connor2> PetefromTn: Okay.. Cut the threaded part off the air cylinder.. Cut my threaded bar for the draw bar down and loctighted the nut on it.. let it set up.. now to cut down some stock to mill the lift plate out of.
[22:28:08] <PetefromTn> Sweet....
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[22:28:36] <Connor> taking a break then back too it.
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[22:30:20] <PetefromTn> Im trying to cam up a nice Cat40 tool fixture right now...
[22:30:42] <PetefromTn> Been awhile since I used this stuff without having a CNC here so I am a bit rusty...
[22:31:16] <Connor> Yea.. Getting ready to Cam out the lift plate..
[22:33:41] <PetefromTn> lookin decent...http://s150.photobucket.com/user/matospeter/media/Cincinatti%20Arrow%20500%20Retrofit/cat40fixturescreenshot_zps279a43e0.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0
[22:34:36] <Connor> Yup.
[22:35:28] <PetefromTn> Now I just need to find the balls to run it LOL.
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[22:43:48] <r00t4rd3d> nascar on tonight :)
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[22:56:10] * JT-Shop hands PetefromTn some SS balls left over from a machine build
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[22:56:45] <PetefromTn> JT-Shop: ROFL...Hey man I need um...
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[22:57:11] <PetefromTn> Crashing the RF45 is one thing....crashing this monster is COMPLETELY another thing....
[22:57:16] <JT-Shop> I'll email them to you
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[22:57:29] <PetefromTn> Sweet I'll watch for them..
[22:57:32] <JT-Shop> yes I know
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[22:58:01] <PetefromTn> whaddya think of that toolpath?
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[22:58:55] <PetefromTn> I mean besides the fact that the cuts occur off the material in the picture actually LOL...
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[22:59:32] <JT-Shop> I have one free hand can you paste the link again with a space after any text
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[22:59:42] <Tom_itx> logger[psha]
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[23:00:14] <JT-Shop> cat has other hand as pillow
[23:00:16] <Connor> http://s150.photobucket.com/user/matospeter/media/Cincinatti%20Arrow%20500%20Retrofit/cat40fixturescreenshot_zps279a43e0.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0
[23:00:37] <JT-Shop> thanks
[23:00:45] <PetefromTn> yeah man thanks...
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[23:00:54] <Tom_itx> freenode is having a ball today
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[23:01:04] <JT-Shop> looks good to me
[23:01:13] <PetefromTn> yeah Jt is emailing some balls to me....
[23:01:20] <Connor> What does the CAD look like? Why the rounded edges ?
[23:01:23] <JT-Shop> lol
[23:01:37] <Tom_itx> raise the cutter
[23:01:43] <PetefromTn> is this a serious question..
[23:02:21] <PetefromTn> standby...
[23:02:25] <Connor> Never used sheetcam.. so.. It looks upside down...
[23:02:37] <Connor> or looking at it from the bottom..
[23:02:38] <Tom_itx> is that sheetcam?
[23:02:40] <Tom_itx> can tell
[23:03:45] <Tom_itx> that must be the tool holder holder
[23:03:56] <JT-Shop> what does the backplot in Axis look like?
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[23:04:57] <PetefromTn> here ya go....http://s150.photobucket.com/user/matospeter/media/Cincinatti%20Arrow%20500%20Retrofit/cat40fixturescreenshot1_zps1b755584.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0
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[23:05:18] <PetefromTn> why does it look upside down?
[23:05:20] <JT-Shop> crap cant click on it
[23:05:28] <Connor> http://s150.photobucket.com/user/matospeter/media/Cincinatti%20Arrow%20500%20Retrofit/cat40fixturescreenshot1_zps1b755584.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0
[23:05:31] <PetefromTn> yeah sheetcam...
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[23:06:47] <JT-Shop> seems to be missing the outside
[23:07:36] <Connor> okay, so, your just making it look rounded on the outside edge instead of being straight..
[23:08:00] <Connor> looks upside down, or looks like looking from bottom because the angle of the CAM drawing.
[23:08:04] <PetefromTn> Ya know the only thing I don't like about sheetcam is that whenever you program a pocket or profile with multiple passes it has to finish the pass and then go to safe Z and then lower back down into the depth of the next layer instead of just dropping down into the next depth...
[23:08:26] <JT-Shop> you might twiddle with the post
[23:08:46] <Tom_itx> does somebody have a good post for it for linuxcnc?
[23:08:56] <JT-Shop> mine is for plasma
[23:08:56] <Tom_itx> or is it integrated
[23:09:00] <Connor> Right now, I can't CAD or CAM because my windows VM is having issues.. :(
[23:09:11] <JT-Shop> they have an EMC post
[23:09:24] <PetefromTn> that would be a bitch for each time it drops down... Art says it is because sheetcam does not know if there are obstructions in the way when it cuts...
[23:09:34] <PetefromTn> Yeah there is an EMC post that seems to work just fine..
[23:09:34] <Tom_itx> is sheetcam free?
[23:09:46] <PetefromTn> No it is like $200.00 US or something like that.
[23:10:19] <PetefromTn> I actually quite like it tho... and now it has V-carving as well as rigid tapping and peck drilling etc...
[23:10:33] <Tom_itx> can you edit the tool path once it's generated?
[23:10:36] <PetefromTn> only wish it would do some 3d stuff I would be happy...
[23:10:56] <PetefromTn> sure and you can just run the PP again too..
[23:10:58] <Tom_itx> like what?
[23:11:23] <PetefromTn> just click on each operation in the bottom left and it brings up dialog box with the settings... simple..
[23:11:36] <Tom_itx> i don't have it
[23:11:45] <PetefromTn> don't have what?
[23:11:49] <Tom_itx> sheetcam
[23:12:02] <JT-Shop> 95% of the stuff I do is really 2 1/2D, profiles, pockets, holes and tapping
[23:12:05] <PetefromTn> you can download a free trial if you think you want to..
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[23:12:20] <PetefromTn> yeah me too... but I want to do more 3d stuff...
[23:12:34] <PetefromTn> Looking at the Deskproto this morning looks pretty powerful.
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[23:12:57] <PetefromTn> Sheetcam is actually excellent for that stuff just no 3d..
[23:12:59] <JT-Shop> andypugh: is doing some 3-D stuff with ... I forget
[23:13:18] <PetefromTn> huh?
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[23:14:40] <Tom_itx> oh pycam
[23:14:49] <Tom_itx> but he wasn't real excited with it
[23:15:36] <PetefromTn> pycam actually looks quite nice but he said the processing seemed slow..
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[23:16:19] <PetefromTn> CAmBam actually has some decent 3d functionality...
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[23:31:15] <PetefromTn> Connor: Hey man you got CamBam?
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[23:31:49] <Connor> I Just had the eval version.. Going to have to re-download it.. my windows VM crashed.. re-doing it now..
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[23:32:39] <PetefromTn> VM?
[23:32:58] <Connor> Virtual Machine
[23:33:13] <Connor> I run Linux as my desktop.. and VMWare so I can run windows and other OS's
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[23:34:07] <Tom_itx> how do you get an iso view?
[23:34:16] <PetefromTn> Can you tell me if you program a pocket say that is 2" diameter, and .5" deep in .050 deep passes will it retract to the safe plane after each successive depth or will it just drop down into the next lower depth?
[23:34:43] <PetefromTn> You can either select it or do like I do and press SHIFT and click and drag the mouse...
[23:34:45] <Connor> It will just drop down.. you can also set it up so that it ramps down
[23:35:16] <PetefromTn> Are you sure, I mean sheetcam can ramp down into the cut initially but subsequent ones I am not sure of...
[23:35:25] <Connor> Say, you want a .010 DOC.. you can tell it to do that in a full 360 degree path.. so, when it's back at the start point.. it'll be at .010 DOC
[23:35:40] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn, can you connect a line between the layered holes?
[23:35:52] <Tom_itx> that will make it one continuous profile
[23:36:00] <Connor> You can do a single ramp, or a spiral ..
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[23:36:38] <PetefromTn> Sure but what happens when the machine has to do the next pass in a successive pocket operation down in depth?
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[23:37:01] <Connor> It retracts the tool.
[23:37:09] <Connor> to specified safe height..
[23:37:11] <PetefromTn> Tom_itx: Not sure what you are asking me man...
[23:37:24] <PetefromTn> So it does the same thing as Sheetcam does...
[23:37:25] <Tom_itx> yeah mine will retract to the safe z unless i edit it
[23:37:36] <Connor> Each operation the tool is retracted..
[23:37:50] <Tom_itx> i can tell it where safe z is for each pass though
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[23:38:25] <PetefromTn> No what I am asking you is in a SINGLE operation where the pocket is programmed for successive depth passes does it return to safe Z before starting the next plunge?
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[23:38:42] <Connor> NO.
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[23:38:51] <jdh__> that would seem silly
[23:38:55] <PetefromTn> Tom_itx: What are you using?
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[23:39:02] <Tom_itx> smartcam
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[23:39:07] <PetefromTn> jdh__: Agreed it is silly...
[23:39:19] <PetefromTn> never heard of smartcam..
[23:39:26] <Connor> It Will just drop down and do the next pass.
[23:39:28] <Tom_itx> i generally don't use the canned pocket rouines on mine
[23:39:30] <PetefromTn> is it?
[23:39:49] <PetefromTn> Are you sure?
[23:40:08] <Connor> Me?
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[23:40:19] <Tom_itx> http://www.smartcamcnc.com/
[23:40:24] <PetefromTn> Do this for me if you can, draw a simple 2" circle, machine it with .050 DOC passes down to .5" deep and post the code...
[23:40:46] <jdh__> with a 1" end mill
[23:40:48] <Connor> PetefromTn: Who you talking to? Me or Tom? I'm confussed..
[23:40:56] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn, who?
[23:41:12] <PetefromTn> Connor: you....using a 3/8 endmill for instance..
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[23:41:29] <Connor> Okay. Give me just a bit.. I have to re-download CamBam on my machine.
[23:41:32] <PetefromTn> hell both of you it will be interesting to see he differences...
[23:41:38] <Tom_itx> that's a rather shallow cut
[23:41:43] <PetefromTn> Sure is...
[23:41:48] <PetefromTn> Just a for instance..
[23:42:29] <PetefromTn> I am trying to figure out if other cam programs I can afford will NOT do the only thing that Sheetcam does that is annoying to me.
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[23:43:05] <Connor> Downloading CamBam now.
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[23:43:34] <PetefromTn> I cannot understand why after each successive pass the cutter must go to safe Z and then slowly lower at plunge feedrate back to the next depth...
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[23:43:44] <jdh__> what does that?
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[23:43:55] <PetefromTn> does what?
[23:43:59] <Connor> okay, Spiral or just normal profile ?
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[23:44:04] <Connor> and Pocket or Profile ?
[23:44:05] <jdh__> what cam does what you just decribed?
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[23:44:13] <PetefromTn> Sheetcam...
[23:44:26] <PetefromTn> Sheetcam has both.. does not seem to matter.
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[23:45:11] <PetefromTn> Sheetcam has Spiral Pocket,zigzag pocket,and face pocket routines...
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[23:45:42] <jdh__> Pete: http://pastebin.com/zqPKBq97
[23:46:33] <PetefromTn> I am sure there is some good reason for it but I cannot imagine what that would be...
[23:46:40] <PetefromTn> jdh__: what cam is that?
[23:46:58] <jdh__> cut2d
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[23:47:53] <PetefromTn> looks like cut2d does not do this..
[23:48:17] <Connor> PetefromTn: You want it to pocket, or Profile this circle ?
[23:48:20] <PetefromTn> Maybe I am just not doing it right.....but I cannot imagine what I am doing wrong to cause this..
[23:48:28] <PetefromTn> inside pocket...
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[23:48:42] <Connor> okay..
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[23:50:02] <Connor> Conventional or Climb ?
[23:50:07] <PetefromTn> actually looking again at the cut2d file it seems like it does go to safe Z after each pass... don't have a simulator handy.
[23:50:12] <PetefromTn> should not matter...
[23:50:58] <PetefromTn> jdh__: do you see that?
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[23:52:29] <PetefromTn> Maybe as I said there is a good reason for this...
[23:53:33] <PetefromTn> I need to download CamBam and play with it I think...
[23:53:41] <Connor> http://pastebin.com/JBytf0N4
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[23:54:57] <PetefromTn> well looks like cambam does it too...
[23:55:18] <PetefromTn> It goes up to Z.125 then goes down to the next Z depth in a plunge...
[23:55:19] <Connor> let me run it in my simulator..
[23:55:34] <Connor> On a POCKET, yes.
[23:55:42] <PetefromTn> You say it has the ability to ramp in on each successive pass tho?
[23:55:43] <Connor> On a Profile, No.
[23:55:52] <Connor> On profiles.
[23:56:05] <PetefromTn> Sheetcam does it on either one..
[23:56:15] <Connor> Let me do a profile..
[23:56:19] <robh__> wire a sub and call it to ramp or spiral in ;) as im sure each plunge is the same place also
[23:56:32] <PetefromTn> Does it not seem like it should be able to just drop down after each pass and continue without that silly up movement?
[23:57:09] <PetefromTn> robh__: actually that is one of the nice things about sheetcam is you can code about anything you want in it.
[23:57:25] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/cnc/test/
[23:57:28] <Connor> PetefromTn: I would run the cutter accross the bottom of the floor of the pocket..
[23:57:38] <Tom_itx> haven't looked at it
[23:57:45] <Tom_itx> just generated a helix
[23:57:53] <robh__> sure i dont know as Solidworks user with camworks you see
[23:58:18] <PetefromTn> Art said it is because if you have an irregularly shaped pocket that has protrusions and it starts at the wrong point it would crash into the protrusion as it traverses to the next start point...
[23:59:20] <PetefromTn> Tom_itx: that is not the same thing because that is a spiral plunge kind of cut. It would probably only do that in a circular pocket which I know is what I asked about LOL
[23:59:39] <Tom_itx> what do you want?
[23:59:40] <PetefromTn> robh__: What would solidworks with camworks do in this instance?