#linuxcnc | Logs for 2013-05-09

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[00:00:03] <JT-Shop> always a good plan
[00:00:12] <L84Supper> intermittent problem or ? you'll see
[00:00:50] <PetefromTn> yeah I guess so...
[00:02:15] <PetefromTn> what are your thoughts on the element I chose. 2500 watt, 240v, and a measured 24 ohms with the wires hooked up to the resistor. I dunno what the rating would be for it in AIR since it is rated for 25oo watts in water.
[00:02:51] <Connor2> Allot less..
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[00:03:27] <PetefromTn> yeah but WHAT?
[00:03:36] <Connor> No clue. :)
[00:03:37] <L84Supper> 10:1 in air so maybe 250W
[00:03:56] <PetefromTn> REALLY well we set that number to 300 in the setting...
[00:04:35] <PetefromTn> again funny thing is I never actually moved the head so the drive should have never sent any power to the resistor yet. I just energized the servos...
[00:04:48] <JT-Shop> water heater elements don't like to be in the air when they get hot, but how long would the breaking resistor be powered up a second or two
[00:05:00] <PetefromTn> if that...
[00:05:42] <PetefromTn> I have one on my 7.5HP spindle motor which is 5.5kw and it is about the same size resistor incidentally and it works fine and honestly does not even get that hot really...
[00:05:43] <JT-Shop> I had to put one on my GS2 VFD to get the spindle to stop quick for tapping
[00:06:02] <PetefromTn> yeah me too...
[00:06:20] <PetefromTn> nice that they are only $10.00
[00:08:08] <L84Supper> 0.6 vs 0.025 W/(m·K)) air vs water 24:1 but that's comparing the heat absorption
[00:08:12] <JT-Shop> aye, that does help when sperimenting
[00:08:16] <Connor> 600 Watts
[00:08:25] <Connor> Water makes no difference...
[00:08:38] <Connor> are the drives 120 or 240 v ?
[00:08:41] <L84Supper> the 2400W is just the rating of 240V with a 24 ohm load
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[00:08:48] <cpresser_> PetefromTn: where do you get 10$ resistors?
[00:08:57] <Connor> yea 600W at 120v
[00:14:25] <Tom_itx> is a stovetop element similar resistance?
[00:14:29] <Tom_itx> they work fine in free air
[00:14:54] <Connor> Hot water heater element will be fine.. it's not like they're ran continues duty..
[00:15:00] <Connor> in this application.
[00:15:04] <L84Supper> PetefromTn: whats the 300 setting all about?
[00:15:15] <L84Supper> a wattage setting?
[00:15:39] <Connor> If that's the Watts setting... then.. you need to set it for the rated element.. makes no difference if it's in air or water.
[00:16:22] <L84Supper> the current is still determined by the voltage generated by the motor and the resistance
[00:17:30] <r00t4rd3d> resistance is futile
[00:17:57] <r00t4rd3d> join the force luke
[00:18:50] <L84Supper> should have been the campaign slogan for Bush in 80
[00:19:04] <L84Supper> sorry 2000
[00:19:36] <L84Supper> fits Reagan as well
[00:24:39] <L84Supper> PetefromTn: whats the motor voltage?
[00:24:59] <Connor> I think it's single phase 240v.
[00:25:05] <PetefromTn> Okay just went out there and TRIED it again. Not sure what the hell the difference was other than I set the wattage at 150 in setting CN012 instead of 300. It SEEMS to work properly now. The resistor got hot to the touch like the one on the spindle motor now and I was able to rapid the millhead at twice what I was before. That is all I was able to test thus far.
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[00:25:24] <PetefromTn> The motors are 1kw 240v 3 phase I beleive.
[00:25:44] <PetefromTn> cpresser_: they are simple water heater elements you can buy at any hardware stor.
[00:25:48] <Connor> is that a value for wattage ?
[00:25:48] <PetefromTn> store.
[00:25:57] <PetefromTn> apparently..
[00:26:10] <Connor> well @ 24ohms @ 240v = 2400watts
[00:26:28] <Connor> @ 24ohms @120v = 600watts
[00:26:30] <L84Supper> add fins to the heater element
[00:26:59] <L84Supper> increasing the surface area will increase the thermal conductivity
[00:27:04] <PetefromTn> it is not a problem I have them installed in a small vertical space between the column and the electronics cabinet
[00:27:19] <PetefromTn> besides that would be easier said than done really.
[00:27:59] <L84Supper> use a contactless IR thermometer and read the the temp when braking
[00:28:06] <PetefromTn> right now unless I run into that damn clicking again it accomplished the objective. Before If I rapided it at anything more than about 70 IPM it would fault, now I just tested it at 120 and it was working...
[00:28:17] <PetefromTn> Got one I can borrow LOL
[00:28:24] <Connor> I Do.
[00:28:36] <PetefromTn> how did I know that was coming LOL...
[00:28:41] <Connor> ROFL
[00:29:02] <PetefromTn> Oh by the way I thought about that paint, you have been so helpful to me you are welcome to use it as much as you need for free...
[00:29:10] <L84Supper> http://www.harborfreight.com/infrared-thermometer-93984.html
[00:29:30] <PetefromTn> LOL...
[00:29:48] <L84Supper> http://www.harborfreight.com/non-contact-pocket-thermometer-93983.html even cheaper
[00:30:44] <Connor> I have a Ryobi one.. I can't use it in the house.. because the dog hears the BEEP and sees the laser dot and goes nuts wanting to play "Red Bug"
[00:31:19] <Connor> I don't mind playing Red bug with her.. but, she obseses for hours after we're done...
[00:31:24] <PetefromTn> Hmm might have to pick one of those up..
[00:31:44] <PetefromTn> I was gonna use that stuff to paint my Nacra Catamaran sailboat LOL...
[00:31:55] <Connor> http://www.homedepot.com/p/Ryobi-Tek4-Professional-4-Volt-Infrared-Thermometer-RP4030/100671261#.UYrudS7SGtg
[00:32:13] <PetefromTn> Now that it works I am gonna try upping my rapids on the Z and see how far it can go before it faults again...
[00:32:16] <Connor> That's the one I hve
[00:32:33] <Connor> Probably won't at this point..
[00:32:39] <PetefromTn> LOL you likethe spensive ones...
[00:32:55] <PetefromTn> probably won't what?
[00:32:59] <Connor> It wasn't that much when I bought it.. I think it was $40.00
[00:33:03] <Connor> Fault out.
[00:33:13] <PetefromTn> oh that would be nice LOL
[00:33:21] <PetefromTn> one more issue sorted..
[00:33:36] <Connor> Now just the noise generated by the spindle..
[00:33:44] <Connor> Dinner Time.. back in a while.
[00:33:55] <PetefromTn> Got a small 8gb flash drive and gonna try to run some simple code..
[00:33:58] <PetefromTn> enjoy man...
[00:35:51] <r00t4rd3d> i run linuxcnc off a 4gb usb memory stick
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[00:43:11] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/0pU8ERT.gif
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[00:44:11] <Valen> drift it!
[00:44:19] <Valen> horsie may not be too happy
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[00:51:30] <PetefromTn> Okay fellas, I was just out there playing with the setup and I changed that parameter for the resistor output wattage to 150 and was able to up the Z axis rapid speed to like 300 easily, when I went t 340 I got another fault so I am gonna up the resistance setting to 250 again and see if I can get it to go faster without faulting.
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[00:52:09] * Tom_itx waits for fireworks
[00:52:19] <Valen> see if you can see why its faulting
[00:52:44] <PetefromTn> I know why its faulting...
[01:03:08] <r00t4rd3d> you?
[01:13:07] <PetefromTn> okay I just was able to rapid that massive millhead up and down the column at 475 IPm without any faults... AWESOME!!
[01:13:21] <Connor> Damn, That's fast
[01:13:38] <Connor> Scary fast.
[01:13:54] <generic_nick|2> yay, my old parts mill is gone!
[01:14:11] <generic_nick|2> cherry picker held together long enough to get it on the trailer at least
[01:14:49] <PetefromTn> yeah you should see it in person LOL
[01:16:22] <PetefromTn> about crap yourself speed rofl..
[01:18:19] <PetefromTn> Honestly it SHOULD do 650 like the other two axes but 475 is faster than the stock setup so I'm happy now,,,
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[02:14:54] <PetefromTn> OMFG!! I just ran a simple circular interpolation program with the Cincinatti Arrow. I ran it in air several times to ensure it was gonna do what I wanted it to do and after I felt comfortable with it I decided to FINALLY strap a piece of aluminum to the table to see how she cuts.
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[02:16:30] <PetefromTn> I zeroed on a piece of paper and set my Z,X,and Y and held my breath and hit go. It ran a 1/4 inch four flute cutter in .050 DOC passes on a 2" interpolated circle down to half an inch. Flood coolant, spindle on and off, all three axes did exactly what they were supposed to. It was awesome.
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[02:18:19] <L84Supper> PetefromTn: what was causing the fault?
[02:18:21] <PetefromTn> The best part is that once I finished the program I raised the millhead up and not expecting anything super precise on my first cut I put my telescoping gauge in the resultant hole and measured it with my calipers and then my best micrometer. The hole is 2.0001!!! I cannot freakin' believe it. It is also about as round as I can measure. I almost crapped my pants when I measured it ROFL...
[02:19:04] <PetefromTn> The fault as I said was from regen when the millhead goes DOWN the column. The head is rather heavy and it was kinda causing the regen to overcome the built in resistor on the drive.
[02:20:05] <PetefromTn> Once I installed the new water heater element resistor and got it dialed in with the drive it now can rapid at almost 500 IPM down the column without tripping the overvoltage error.
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[02:20:57] <PetefromTn> Now all I need to do is work with Mike Kilroy on getting the spindle setup correct and I should be able to start really making parts with this monster. The program ran exactly as I wanted so my Sheetcam post is apparently working fine with EMC.
[02:21:29] <PetefromTn> I do want to modify my post so that at the end of a program the millhead goes up to maxZ and the table centers and comes fully forward.
[02:21:43] <PetefromTn> Other than that it ran perfectly. I am STUNNED!!
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[02:22:38] <jdh> do you always want it to do that? You could add a pyvcp button to go there, or G28
[02:24:52] <PetefromTn> Honestly I do actually want it to do that after every program because I want to be able to unload and load parts without reaching into the machine to do it or jog it closer to me...
[02:26:05] <Tom_itx> i added that to my post
[02:26:16] <Tom_itx> make sure you put the G28z on a separate line
[02:26:36] <Tom_itx> or you'll end up hitting fixtures
[02:29:37] <PetefromTn> so you do a G28 at the end of the program and it goes to your final home positions which for me would be table in center of X table all the way towards the op in Y and head all the way up in Z...
[02:29:54] <PetefromTn> whatsa G28z?
[02:30:58] <Tom_itx> i do G49 G28 Z0
[02:31:04] <Tom_itx> G28 Y0
[02:31:20] <jdh> you store a position with g28.1 first
[02:31:32] <Tom_itx> well i didn't
[02:31:38] <Tom_itx> i just send it to 0
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[02:33:04] <PetefromTn> why Z0? Is that machine coord Z0 perhaps at the top of travel?
[02:33:11] <Tom_itx> yes
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[02:34:11] <Tom_itx> but i also use G54 offsets
[02:34:20] <jdh> g28 is absolute
[02:34:23] <PetefromTn> Sheetcam has two parameters for parking and toolchange position. Talking with Art apparently they are both machine coordinates so in theory I could just say go to Z o and whatever y forward is and set those up that way. Should work the same...
[02:34:54] <Tom_itx> they are absolute coordinates yes
[02:34:56] <PetefromTn> I want to use g54 etc for my vises once I get them etc..
[02:35:13] <PetefromTn> damn you should see the finish on this hole...LOL
[02:35:27] <Tom_itx> i set my tool table to match my cad cam tool setup too
[02:36:14] <PetefromTn> actually on my last machine I setup my tool table in mach3 and used no tool offsets in Sheetcam just the tool numbers and descriptions... rather zero..
[02:36:43] <PetefromTn> Would like to do the same with this machine since I will be using a toolchanger eventually on it and getting everything working the way it used to work on the original control.
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[02:38:10] <PetefromTn> Tom_itx: hey man where are you?
[02:38:16] <Tom_itx> ks
[02:38:28] <PetefromTn> oh okay... gonna make that linuxCNC meet?
[02:38:29] <Tom_itx> same town as the fest
[02:38:34] <PetefromTn> ROFL
[02:38:40] <Tom_itx> might swing by for a day or so
[02:38:44] <PetefromTn> lucky guys
[02:39:01] <Tom_itx> i go by there all the time
[02:39:04] <Tom_itx> never been inside
[02:39:12] <PetefromTn> nows your chance...
[02:39:50] <Tom_itx> i've been out of the loop for probably 15-20 yrs for the big machines
[02:39:50] <generic_nick|2> what happens if there is a tornado?
[02:40:00] <Tom_itx> you land in a field nearby
[02:40:19] <generic_nick|2> do we need to wear ruby slippers so we can get back to the fest?
[02:40:26] <PetefromTn> Funny I machined that hole and for some reason which I was not sure of it left a little teet in the middle of the hole like a little stick sticking up. I thought it was a problem but then I looked back at sheetcam and it was that way in the toolpath LOL... I had a setting wrong.
[02:40:43] <PetefromTn> Been awhile since I used the program or ran a CNC on it LOL
[02:41:18] <Tom_itx> i use the sherline to 'keep in touch' with cnc
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[02:42:48] <Tom_itx> you coming for the week?
[02:43:12] <PetefromTn> who me?
[02:43:16] <Tom_itx> yeah
[02:43:57] <PetefromTn> yeah I wish... I have spent so much time and money on this retrofit I NEED to start using it and making some money to get back in shape over here. No cash for any grand excursions for awhile Im afraid LOL...
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[02:44:16] <generic_nick|2> same here... no time either.
[02:44:16] <PetefromTn> Would love to come tho...
[02:44:38] <generic_nick|2> plus if i had the time to travel, i'd be on the rubicon lol
[02:44:42] <Tom_itx> i'd be in the same boat if i didn't live here
[02:45:07] <PetefromTn> I hear ya...
[02:45:13] <generic_nick|2> plus i see my cnc's everyday, the last thing i want to see on vacation is another cnc lol
[02:45:31] <PetefromTn> Damn I am happy that Z axis faulting issue appears to be behind me now.
[02:45:42] <generic_nick|2> was it the drive faulting?
[02:45:57] <PetefromTn> Can't miss mine, it is this HUGE box in the garage LOL...
[02:46:05] <generic_nick|2> or a ferror?
[02:47:11] <PetefromTn> Yeah it has been giving me overvoltage on Z down moves due to the massive millhead weight. I had to switch to the braking resistor from the factory internal one to overcome that overvoltage fault. Honestly I knew that was gonna be the case as Mike Kilroy told me so even before I tried it...
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[02:47:32] <generic_nick|2> gotcha
[02:47:59] <PetefromTn> Now that a larger resistor capacity is there I was rapiding the head down and up the column at like 475 IPM....
[02:48:29] <PetefromTn> I backed it back to 100 for these initial program run tests tho. also set the feedrate override to like ten..
[02:49:47] <Valen> I suggest finding a "torture test"
[02:50:03] <Valen> something that will max out all the axies for 10 minutes or so
[02:50:17] <Valen> lots of accelerations, rapids short little hops
[02:50:24] <Valen> all over the bed if you can
[02:50:53] <Valen> we found ours isn't quite right, tune it in tight in one spot and it'll oscillate in another
[02:51:15] <PetefromTn> that is the plan man... still have LOTS of tuning to do here. just getting started really...
[02:51:40] <Valen> still, pretty good when it all works though ;->
[02:51:53] <Valen> don't forget that
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[02:51:55] <PetefromTn> I ran it up and down the column via rapid jog about a dozen times this afternoon once I got the resistor to work...
[02:52:18] <PetefromTn> yeah I am totally amazed at this machines capabilities... makes my RF45 look like a toad LOL.
[02:52:25] <Valen> in 4 months time when you are doing something fiddly and its shitting you, remember you have a computer pushing a couple of hundred kg of iron around
[02:52:31] <Valen> ours is a **45
[02:52:37] <Valen> we put glass scales on it ;->
[02:52:43] <Valen> got a pic?
[02:52:49] <Valen> got some machine porn for me?
[02:53:01] <PetefromTn> pic of what?
[02:53:05] <Valen> your machine
[02:53:10] <PetefromTn> the Cinci?
[02:53:31] <PetefromTn> I sold the RF45 awhile back to help fund this monster LOL.
[02:53:49] <Valen> the thing you are doing now
[02:54:15] <PetefromTn> Right now my Spindle drive need tweaking parameters because it does not like pulling the 12k motor RPM...
[02:54:48] <PetefromTn> I will try to take some pictures of the machine and post them to my Photobucket account here in a minute so you can see it. Its a pretty nice looking little machine.
[02:54:54] <PetefromTn> Standby..
[02:55:13] <generic_nick|2> is it designed to go 12k?
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[02:58:58] <PetefromTn> yup, 12k motor RPM 6k spindle RPM factory...
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[03:02:51] <generic_nick|2> i mean the spindle, the motor is irrelevant
[03:03:46] <generic_nick|2> you'll burn up the spindle bearings pretty fast if you run them at 12k if the machine was designed to run 6k
[03:04:32] <PetefromTn> here is the account...http://s150.photobucket.com/user/matospeter/library/Cincinatti%20Arrow%20500%20Retrofit?sort=3&page=1
[03:04:53] <PetefromTn> <PetefromTn> yup, 12k motor RPM 6k spindle RPM factory...
[03:05:02] <ssi> re
[03:05:41] <PetefromTn> Still working on a nice tray for the keyboard/mouse under the control pendant.
[03:05:50] <tjb1> Valen: there you are - https://www.facebook.com/images/spacer.gif
[03:05:56] <tjb1> some plastic printer porn
[03:06:19] <PetefromTn> dont see anything..
[03:06:36] <tjb1> https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/472685_10200756730096585_322798211_o.jpg
[03:06:40] <tjb1> oops
[03:06:53] <tjb1> I right clicked before it loaded
[03:07:22] <PetefromTn> nice man....err....what the hell is it?
[03:07:27] <tjb1> Just a vase
[03:07:32] <Valen> nice, what did that set you back?
[03:07:37] <PetefromTn> green goblins beer mug?
[03:07:39] <tjb1> The printer?
[03:07:46] <Valen> the mill
[03:07:51] <tjb1> Mill?
[03:07:58] <PetefromTn> you talking to me?
[03:07:58] <Valen> PetefromTn: here is the account...http://s150.photobucket.com/user/matospeter/library/Cincinatti%20Arrow%20500%20Retrofit?sort=3&page=1
[03:08:02] <Valen> yes
[03:08:14] <PetefromTn> well that is kinda hard to say really... LOL...
[03:08:15] <Valen> neat conversion there btw
[03:08:22] <PetefromTn> thanks man...
[03:08:37] <PetefromTn> Actually I bought the machine with a blown Z drive for $1300.00....
[03:08:51] <PetefromTn> Spent a couple grand trying to fix the original control system...
[03:08:52] <Valen> damn thats half what we paid for the 45 clone
[03:09:20] <PetefromTn> Then I sold off all the original parts I did not need for like $5600.00 and bought all the new parts...
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[03:09:37] <jdh> ice
[03:09:38] <PetefromTn> So basically I must have like $2000.00 or so in it
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[03:09:40] <jdh> err... nice.
[03:09:57] <Valen> i hate you ;->
[03:09:59] <PetefromTn> I do believe that I have lost a LOT OF HAIR over it thoo
[03:10:06] <Valen> thats a given
[03:10:08] <jdh> hair is overrted
[03:10:12] <PetefromTn> It has been a real bitch to get it to this point.
[03:10:23] <ssi> still
[03:10:35] <ssi> a lot of people in here would gladly put in the effort and the $2000 :)
[03:10:49] <PetefromTn> If it works and I can use it to make money I will be thousands ahead of what it would cost to buy even a decent working used VMC...
[03:11:16] <Valen> 1
[03:11:24] <Connor> It is a nice machine. I swear, one of these days, I'm going to finish up mine..
[03:11:25] <Valen> this is what $3000 gets you here http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/ROLAND-ENGRAVER-Roland-EGX-20-NEW-IN-BOX-FREE-DELIVERY-NEW-PROTECH-CNC-/251262967648?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item3a80709f60&_uhb=1
[03:11:40] <PetefromTn> Agreed, I can' t complain at all... I love it and if it works the way I hope it will make me some decent cash for my family...
[03:12:19] <ssi> Valen: yea well your dollars are smaller than ours
[03:12:31] <Valen> $au is 1.04 $us
[03:12:34] <ssi> see?
[03:12:36] <ssi> 4% smaller
[03:12:37] <ssi> :D
[03:12:38] <PetefromTn> It has really taken a lot of patience and even more importantly a LOT of good friends helping me or this would have never happened at all...
[03:12:51] <Valen> 1 australian dollar buys you more than one US$
[03:12:59] <Connor> PetefromTn: You look at the motor on the tool changer yet?
[03:13:02] <ssi> pssh you with your math
[03:13:05] <PetefromTn> nope...
[03:13:24] <Valen> toolchanger would be *awesome*
[03:13:28] <PetefromTn> just breathing a sigh of relief that I did not smoke my Z axis drive earlier LOL...
[03:13:39] <PetefromTn> It has a built in 21 tool carousel LOL...
[03:13:44] <ssi> PetefromTn: you call me the minute you see another one of those for <$2k D:
[03:13:47] <PetefromTn> Cat40 tooling....
[03:14:10] <PetefromTn> I saw one awhile back on craigslist in Florida for like $1500.00 not running...
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[03:14:21] <Valen> I hate you more
[03:14:44] <Valen> I should look at getting this http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/CNC-LATHE-MAZAK-SLANT-BED-15-/140968928161?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item20d26723a1&_uhb=1
[03:14:49] <Valen> its only one state away
[03:14:57] <Valen> ~1500KM.....
[03:15:11] <ssi> now, your KM are DEFINITELY smaller than ours
[03:15:14] <PetefromTn> Thats a big bastard...
[03:15:20] <Connor> I wish I had a easier way to cut down my alumn stock..
[03:15:27] <Valen> 1.6km per mile give or take
[03:15:29] <ssi> Connor: get a bandsaw!
[03:15:33] <Connor> Breaking out my Chop saw makes a HUGE ass mess.
[03:15:39] <PetefromTn> I want a CNC lathe next..... but that one is too big.
[03:15:43] <ssi> Connor: I bought a grizzly 7x12 bandsaw last year and I'm quite happy with it
[03:15:43] <Connor> ssi: I have one.. Just doesn't do well on Alumn
[03:15:56] <PetefromTn> REALLY mine kicks ass in aluminum...
[03:16:03] <PetefromTn> Gotta buy better blades..
[03:16:12] <ssi> that mazak is super hot, but too big for me
[03:16:32] <Connor> Having issues with it.. stupid pulley comes off... it's just a little table top one..
[03:16:32] <PetefromTn> I get mine from Holston gasses and you need to buy Lennox variable pitch aggressive...
[03:17:15] <Connor> http://www.lowes.com/pd_22199-46922-3386-01_0__?productId=3526092&Ntt=bandsaw&pl=1&currentURL=%3FNtt%3Dbandsaw&facetInfo=
[03:17:20] <Connor> one like that.
[03:17:20] <PetefromTn> I got that 4x6 here but I blew the damn motor on it. Then I got the 7x12....
[03:17:37] <ssi> yeah 4x6 bandsaws are mostly shit
[03:17:40] <PetefromTn> Thats a toy and it is also a wood bandsaw...
[03:17:52] <Connor> Yea, that's my point..
[03:17:59] <Connor> It sucks for trying to do alumn.
[03:18:00] <PetefromTn> Actually I used my 4x6 for years with great success....
[03:18:01] <ssi> haha yea that's not a bandsaw
[03:18:19] <ssi> PetefromTn: I did too, so long as great success implies "one piece of metal came off the other piece of metal"
[03:18:22] <ssi> it wouldn't cut anything like straight
[03:18:25] <PetefromTn> It is no 7x12 tho that thing is much more powerful and has liquid coolant onboard...
[03:18:26] <ssi> or quickly
[03:18:28] <ssi> or cleanly
[03:18:58] <Connor> PetefromTn: You need to come over sometime and look at my tiny a$$ shop.. you'll see what I'm dealing with as far as tools...
[03:18:58] <ssi> it was a $200 HF 4x6 though... about the junkiest bandsaw one can get that's still nicer than Connor's fischer-price saw :D
[03:19:01] <PetefromTn> Hmm Mine cut fine with the right blades and proper adjustment. I recall it was a bitch getting it to cut right...
[03:19:17] <ssi> I moved it to the airport, and one of the castings snapped in half during the journey
[03:19:18] <PetefromTn> ROFL...
[03:19:18] <Valen> push harder ;->
[03:19:29] <PetefromTn> you guys crack me up..
[03:19:31] <Connor> I'm for sure not using the right blades for alumn on it.. not sure what to get.
[03:19:38] <ssi> Connor: get a horizontal bandsaw :P
[03:19:59] <r00t4rd3d> most people have no clue how to tune a band saw.
[03:20:03] <PetefromTn> This 4x6 is not that big really. In fact you can use it on a table top without the stand if you want..
[03:20:19] <Connor> http://www.ivdc.com/cnc/shop/ My shop before getting the Mill.. it's were the Radial Arm saw is.. (and the saw is gone)
[03:20:23] <PetefromTn> I found you gotta make that blade TIGHT!!
[03:20:37] <r00t4rd3d> you shouldnt have to over tighten it
[03:20:40] <PetefromTn> Then play with the guides ad nauseum...
[03:20:51] <PetefromTn> You do on the POS 4x6's
[03:21:00] <r00t4rd3d> look at the blade from the top down, when it flattens out, thats enough
[03:21:02] <PetefromTn> My 7x12 is another animal completely...
[03:22:16] <ssi> you guys see my ridiculous 3000ipm plasma jog test earlier?
[03:22:21] <PetefromTn> Love how that Aus ebay site says G'day instead of hello ROFL...
[03:22:28] <PetefromTn> nope...
[03:22:31] <PetefromTn> do tell...
[03:22:32] <ssi> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNo5JsQFgco
[03:22:42] <ssi> linuxcnc+mesa runs this thing SO much faster than it used to
[03:23:09] <PetefromTn> what about the smash smash at the ends of travel LOL...
[03:23:15] <ssi> hahahaha that's the best part
[03:23:17] <ssi> those are just love taps
[03:23:19] <r00t4rd3d> what could you cut at 3000ipm besides paper?
[03:23:24] <ssi> if i really forget and smack it, it's pretty gnarly
[03:23:27] <PetefromTn> AIR.
[03:23:52] <Valen> foam
[03:23:55] <Valen> timber perhaps
[03:24:03] <ssi> thin sheet
[03:24:05] <PetefromTn> Those uprights are kinda flimsy looking no?
[03:24:05] <r00t4rd3d> balsa
[03:24:13] <ssi> dunno about 3000ipm, but you gotta cut pretty quick
[03:24:27] <ssi> PetefromTn: they're 1/4" aluminum, and welded to the gantry
[03:24:29] <PetefromTn> Need to tig weld some more ass on there methinks
[03:24:30] <ssi> it's pretty stout
[03:25:00] <PetefromTn> Just bustin your balls man. LOL
[03:25:06] <ssi> it's actually overbuilt as hell
[03:25:10] <ssi> no cutting forces for plasma :P
[03:25:20] <ssi> the damn table weighs 300lb
[03:25:31] <ssi> I'm kinda dumb, and I made it out of 1/4" wall tube
[03:25:37] <r00t4rd3d> just sloppy cuts unless you spend a million on a plasma
[03:25:57] <PetefromTn> is that belt driven?
[03:26:04] <r00t4rd3d> rack and pinion
[03:26:05] <ssi> rack+pinion
[03:26:16] <PetefromTn> jeez thats smokin'
[03:26:35] <PetefromTn> You wanna see 475 on my Cincinatti millhead. Scared the shit out of me LOL
[03:26:47] <ssi> I need to reduce it more
[03:26:51] <ssi> it's 3:1 reduction
[03:26:59] <PetefromTn> Damn millhead probably weighs as much as my van...
[03:27:21] <ssi> I may go to a smaller pinion... can't really reduce in the belt reduction any further
[03:27:34] <ssi> running the smallest and largest practical pulleys for my shaft sizes
[03:27:52] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn, that coolant is way too clean
[03:28:05] <PetefromTn> yuppers brand spankin new
[03:28:09] <Connor> okay, so how many spot drill before primary drilling under CNC ?
[03:28:25] <Tom_itx> small drills
[03:28:27] <Tom_itx> always
[03:28:37] <PetefromTn> Ya know what amazed me about it is when I made that test cut today I could not see ANY chips anywhere.. Talk about chip evac..
[03:28:44] <ssi> I prefer to spot drill
[03:28:44] <PetefromTn> basically always...
[03:28:49] <r00t4rd3d> i send 1/4 holes all the time
[03:28:50] <ssi> but I don't cnc mill yet
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[03:29:16] <generic_nick|2> i always center drill
[03:29:39] <ssi> I want to add a spot drill to my plasma table
[03:29:47] <PetefromTn> Read something on PM yesterday about how it is actually bad to use a center drill as a predrill.
[03:29:49] <Tom_itx> it's just a good idea in general to spot drill first
[03:30:03] <Connor> What?
[03:30:04] <ssi> that was the most disappointing part of plasma for me... small holes don't cut well, and if you pilot them, it hardens the plate enough that it's a bitch to finish drill
[03:30:08] <r00t4rd3d> aspire has peck drill and you can set the parameters
[03:30:11] <Connor> I thought that was what they were for...
[03:30:12] <PetefromTn> You really should use a spot drill that has the same tip angle as the drill you intend to use..
[03:30:16] <ssi> PetefromTn: yea don't use a center drill, use a spot drill
[03:30:34] <Connor> Ahh.. Yea.. I use Center drills all the time..
[03:30:36] <ssi> center drills aren't for spotting
[03:30:36] <r00t4rd3d> i drill with a endmill
[03:30:44] <ssi> they're for drilling 60 degree centers in stock for lathe centers
[03:30:55] <PetefromTn> yes exactly..
[03:30:56] <generic_nick|2> you can get them in different angles
[03:31:27] <PetefromTn> need to pickup a real nice spot drill in the same tip angle as your drills..
[03:31:36] <ssi> I don't bother with the same angle as my drills
[03:31:37] <PetefromTn> Probably a 1/2 incher...
[03:31:41] <ssi> I run a 90 degree spot drill, and that's fine
[03:31:52] <Connor> I'm not a machinist.. So.. I didn't know..
[03:31:52] <ssi> but yea, center drill is the wrong tool for the job
[03:31:54] <PetefromTn> what are your drills?
[03:32:01] <ssi> mostly 118
[03:32:02] <ssi> some 135
[03:32:19] <ssi> my machine shop drills are mostly 118, all my aircraft stuff is 135
[03:32:20] <generic_nick|2> if a hole is that critical, you shouldnt be drilling to a finished dimension anyways.
[03:32:25] <PetefromTn> yeah that is what they were saying it causes the drill to wander upon first contact that way..
[03:32:37] <tjb1> https://www.dropbox.com/s/w1n3gwjsaaaevgm/2013-05-08%2023.31.17.jpg
[03:32:39] <PetefromTn> yeah but it is just good practice.
[03:32:42] <Connor> http://www.harborfreight.com/115-piece-high-speed-drill-bit-set-with-index-528.html
[03:32:44] <Connor> my drill bits
[03:33:01] <ssi> tjb1: awesome
[03:33:05] <PetefromTn> predrill, drill, ream...
[03:33:13] <Tom_itx> bore
[03:33:17] <generic_nick|2> reaming doesnt help hole location
[03:33:32] <PetefromTn> agreed...
[03:33:38] <ssi> spotting does
[03:33:49] <generic_nick|2> not enough
[03:33:49] <PetefromTn> I sold my boring head like an ass with my last machine..
[03:34:02] <Connor> I have one! :)
[03:34:06] <Tom_itx> we used a boring bar on +0.0000 -0.0005 holes
[03:34:10] <ssi> yea everyone needs a good boring head
[03:34:19] <Connor> 3"
[03:34:26] <Tom_itx> but they were ~2-3" holes too
[03:34:26] <PetefromTn> Short drills and reamers work nice...
[03:34:29] <ssi> tjb1: what hotend are you running?
[03:34:37] <tjb1> j-head from makergear
[03:34:41] <ssi> I'd love to have a set of short drills
[03:34:49] <Tom_itx> jobber length
[03:34:54] <ssi> tjb1: ah ok... I have a jhead on my prusa, and a buda on my max
[03:35:02] <ssi> tjb1: your quality looks great
[03:35:04] <generic_nick|2> i only use a boring head on the manual mill. but i make all my fixtures on the manual mill anyways so i dont really need one for the cnc mill
[03:35:08] <PetefromTn> After seeing what this Cincinatti can do with interpolations that may not be too necessary LOL...
[03:35:23] <tjb1> ssi: no, the green is just impossible to see any detail, I still have retraction issues
[03:35:27] <ssi> att
[03:35:28] <ssi> ahh
[03:35:29] <Connor> I needed it for when I was doing manual stuff...
[03:35:37] <ssi> bowden, yea?
[03:35:40] <ssi> you said airtripper I think
[03:35:49] <ssi> 1.75mm?
[03:35:51] <tjb1> yes
[03:36:18] <ssi> what is that model?
[03:36:37] <Tom_itx> PetefromTn, is it still 3 phase/
[03:36:38] <Tom_itx> ?
[03:36:44] <tjb1> http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:5700
[03:36:48] <Tom_itx> you running an inverter?
[03:36:51] <PetefromTn> nope single phase...
[03:36:54] <Tom_itx> mmm
[03:36:54] <generic_nick|2> i've gotten lazy since i got out of aerospace lol
[03:37:03] <ssi> neat
[03:37:18] <Tom_itx> hard to find single phase cnc
[03:37:39] <PetefromTn> yeah but I wanted to run it anywhere without a rotary. I sold my 20HP rotary..
[03:37:47] <ssi> ok I gotta get off my ass and wire the Y motors
[03:37:53] <ssi> heading downstairs, brb
[03:37:58] <generic_nick|2> vfd's for the win
[03:38:01] <PetefromTn> well quit lollygaggin'
[03:38:05] <ssi> sarsly
[03:38:19] <PetefromTn> VFD's rule...
[03:38:35] <PetefromTn> especially if I can get this Hitachi wj200 to cooperate..
[03:38:45] <generic_nick|2> do you have a servo spindle or an ac motor?
[03:39:31] <PetefromTn> 270v 5.5kw 7.5HP 12000 RPM AC spindle motor with timing belt 2-1 reduction to spindle..
[03:39:41] <generic_nick|2> nice
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[03:39:57] <PetefromTn> hopefully anyways...
[03:40:10] <generic_nick|2> mine's just 3hp 3 phase ac
[03:40:27] <generic_nick|2> i run it at 120hz
[03:40:38] <generic_nick|2> the mill runs at 6krpm
[03:41:12] <PetefromTn> my RF45 was 3hp 3 ph AC 1725 RPM motor, with belt drive ran it up to 7k or so...
[03:41:13] <generic_nick|2> a bit high for the spindle, but the amount of time i save WAY more than pays for the occasional new spindle bearings
[03:41:44] <PetefromTn> Yeah I am dreading spindle bearing replacement on this monster. Bearings are like $750.00 or so I am told...
[03:42:01] <generic_nick|2> i have a 7.5kw vfd on it with a braking unit and 2.2kw braking resistors. it stops on a dime
[03:42:13] <generic_nick|2> mine's about 400-500
[03:42:23] <PetefromTn> what machine?
[03:42:29] <generic_nick|2> shizuoka ans
[03:42:35] <PetefromTn> Oh yeah thats right...
[03:42:44] <PetefromTn> Wish this was a cartridge spindle...
[03:42:50] <PetefromTn> its not...
[03:42:59] <Tom_itx> my friend had to replace a ball screw end bearing on his a while back
[03:43:05] <generic_nick|2> i stole the spindle out of my kasuga i just scrapped, so i think i can just swap the entire quill into my shizuoka
[03:43:08] <Tom_itx> the factory wanted $1400 for one bearing
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[03:43:13] <generic_nick|2> poch
[03:43:18] <generic_nick|2> ouch
[03:43:18] <Tom_itx> he found one for $700
[03:43:24] <PetefromTn> I have a 15HP Hitachi VFD derated to 7.5HP
[03:43:30] <Tom_itx> double row ball bearings
[03:43:40] <PetefromTn> yeah real machines are damn expensive for parts...
[03:43:41] <Tom_itx> 3" ballscrew
[03:43:47] <generic_nick|2> yea, gotta derate them quite a bit.
[03:43:49] <PetefromTn> nutz
[03:43:58] <PetefromTn> half actually
[03:44:14] <generic_nick|2> eh, 33%
[03:44:37] <generic_nick|2> i have a 3hp on my 2hp lathe and it works fine
[03:44:41] <Tom_itx> but he got the machine back for $400 from the shop he sold
[03:44:49] <Tom_itx> with a blown spindle and the bad bearing
[03:45:11] <generic_nick|2> Tom_itx: i have a friend who does machinery dismantling and makes a fortune
[03:45:21] <generic_nick|2> sells all the parts
[03:45:32] <Tom_itx> it would be a fun job i'd think
[03:45:58] <generic_nick|2> i think he hires someone to dismantle them. he just lists the crap on ebay
[03:46:20] <generic_nick|2> has a huge house in the expensive part of san diego
[03:46:28] <Tom_itx> you're the one that showed andy those servo drives
[03:46:33] <generic_nick|2> yes
[03:46:41] <generic_nick|2> those were from somewhere else though
[03:47:08] <PetefromTn> I was amazed at what my old parts from this retrofit sold for.
[03:47:17] <PetefromTn> Paid for everything new and then some...
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[03:47:25] <Valen> nice
[03:47:25] <generic_nick|2> nice
[03:47:28] <Tom_itx> well considering what new costs...
[03:47:41] <generic_nick|2> i just trade my old parts to him for stuff i want/need
[03:48:06] <PetefromTn> original drives just to have them refurbished was over a grand each and I bought brand new motors and drives for less than that.
[03:48:07] <generic_nick|2> traded some shit for most of the 4th axis i just got
[03:48:25] <Valen> what are you using to drive?
[03:48:26] <PetefromTn> tell him I want a blown fourth axis for my VMC will ya LOL
[03:48:29] <generic_nick|2> nice
[03:48:40] <generic_nick|2> lol
[03:48:51] <PetefromTn> Valen: talking to me?
[03:48:52] <generic_nick|2> i wish i didnt sell my 5th axis
[03:48:55] <Connor> PetefromTn: I sent you a link for one.. you didn't get it... :)
[03:48:57] <Valen> PetefromTn: yes
[03:49:09] <PetefromTn> Connor: Smartass...LOL
[03:49:21] <PetefromTn> Yeah I am using the Teco servo drives and motors from Machmotion..
[03:49:34] <PetefromTn> missed out bad on that one
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[03:50:00] <PetefromTn> Connor: you gotta come over here and see this bad boy run man...
[03:50:22] <Connor> I'll try to.. It's been a busy past few weeks..
[03:50:33] <PetefromTn> no worries...
[03:51:04] <PetefromTn> next victim...http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hardinge-AHC-Automatic-Hardinge-Chucker-CNC-Lathe-/161005644011?pt=BI_Lathes&hash=item257caf28eb
[03:51:59] <generic_nick|2> meh, hold out for an hnc
[03:52:19] <PetefromTn> whazza difference?
[03:52:28] <generic_nick|2> cnc vs air
[03:52:48] <generic_nick|2> isnt that one all air operated?
[03:53:31] <PetefromTn> dunno just found it..
[03:53:51] <generic_nick|2> i dont think it has servos or ball screws
[03:54:21] <PetefromTn> really interesting...
[03:56:46] <ssi> you don't want the ahc
[03:56:52] <ssi> I htink it's actually hydraulic
[03:56:54] <ssi> and crazy
[03:57:38] <PetefromTn> okay.... dunno really. Actually what I want is like a slant bed model with gang tooling perhaps an older Cincinatti milacron.
[03:58:16] <generic_nick|2> http://www.ebay.com/itm/HARDINGE-CHNC-4-CNC-SUPER-PRECISION-CHUCKER-BAR-LATHE-w-BAR-FEEDER-/321118978689?pt=BI_Lathes&hash=item4ac42ec281
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[03:58:46] <ssi> yea that's the one you want
[03:58:50] <ssi> hell that's the one I want
[03:59:01] <generic_nick|2> has the bar feeder too
[03:59:11] <generic_nick|2> wish i had one for my hnc sometimes
[04:00:08] <PetefromTn> how big is that bastard?
[04:00:38] <generic_nick|2> small
[04:00:39] <ssi> not that big
[04:00:57] <ssi> 4klb tops
[04:01:02] <generic_nick|2> 2500lbs or so for the lathe. controller is a beast though
[04:01:02] <ssi> probbaly less
[04:01:08] <ssi> hnc is 2500
[04:01:14] <PetefromTn> we're ditching the controller no?
[04:01:16] <ssi> chnc might be a bit more, bigger spindle
[04:01:21] <generic_nick|2> true
[04:01:25] <ssi> you'lll prolly want the drives and power supply out of the control
[04:01:42] <PetefromTn> yeah so I can sell em...
[04:01:51] <generic_nick|2> but the servo might be more of a direct drive so you loose all the varidrive bs
[04:01:58] <generic_nick|2> or use them
[04:02:12] <ssi> true
[04:02:14] <generic_nick|2> i used the hiak amps and the stock servos
[04:02:24] <generic_nick|2> they work great
[04:02:24] <ssi> me too
[04:02:26] <ssi> worked great
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[04:02:28] <PetefromTn> what size are the sercos..
[04:02:33] <generic_nick|2> tiny
[04:02:36] <PetefromTn> servos..
[04:02:44] <PetefromTn> 130mm
[04:02:46] <generic_nick|2> 20 amp drives though i believe
[04:02:56] <ssi> hnc is 90vdc
[04:02:59] <ssi> dunno about the chnc
[04:03:09] <PetefromTn> they're not AC drives?
[04:03:17] <generic_nick|2> not the hnc
[04:03:37] <generic_nick|2> but no clue. that chnc is old as balls, so maybe dc as well
[04:04:42] <generic_nick|2> you're not going to be doing big work in that thing so no need for big power
[04:05:15] <generic_nick|2> i havent needed any more power anyways
[04:05:26] <PetefromTn> Im likin this guy..http://www.ebay.com/itm/MORI-SEIKI-SL1A-CNC-LATHE-WITH-TOOL-HOLDERS-TAIL-STOCK-SL1A-/271150510399?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f21d4713f
[04:06:24] <generic_nick|2> id get that over the hardinge
[04:06:47] <generic_nick|2> but it is much bigger
[04:06:49] <PetefromTn> gotta find a nice one with a blown control LOL...
[04:06:57] <generic_nick|2> they're all over lol
[04:07:02] <generic_nick|2> that one is a bit overpriced
[04:07:08] <PetefromTn> agreed...
[04:07:18] <PetefromTn> nice machine tho...
[04:07:23] <generic_nick|2> you can buy a running sl6 for 5-6k
[04:07:38] <PetefromTn> only thing I don't like is that Mori parts are spensive
[04:07:48] <generic_nick|2> yea but you dont need them
[04:07:53] <generic_nick|2> they're the best lol
[04:07:54] <PetefromTn> LOL..
[04:08:22] <PetefromTn> thats what I hear...
[04:08:29] <generic_nick|2> i ran an sl0, sl3, and an sl6 for years
[04:08:37] <PetefromTn> good machines?
[04:08:47] <generic_nick|2> great machines. only thing that ever went wrong was the fanuc controls
[04:08:58] <PetefromTn> LOL we can fix that right..
[04:09:15] <generic_nick|2> we had some HARD crashes. didnt evne flinch
[04:09:26] <PetefromTn> I'll bet.
[04:09:43] <PetefromTn> If you arent crashing you arent making anything I guess over time...
[04:09:48] <generic_nick|2> lol
[04:10:05] <generic_nick|2> id like an sl0
[04:10:09] <PetefromTn> I hear they are built like a brick outhouse...
[04:10:16] <generic_nick|2> yep
[04:10:18] <PetefromTn> whats the difference
[04:12:12] <generic_nick|2> the number is the size
[04:12:24] <generic_nick|2> 0 is the smallest, and it goes up from there
[04:12:32] <PetefromTn> obviously...
[04:12:44] <PetefromTn> they all have the same features just smalller
[04:12:53] <generic_nick|2> more or less
[04:12:57] <PetefromTn> all slant bed, all tool turret
[04:13:06] <PetefromTn> do they all have tailstock
[04:13:20] <generic_nick|2> i ran a newer mori lathe, like a 2006 model. it was ok but i think the older ones were beefier
[04:13:23] <PetefromTn> whats the HP on SL1
[04:13:32] <generic_nick|2> all the ones we had did
[04:13:40] <generic_nick|2> no clue on numbers
[04:13:56] <PetefromTn> Sure seems like a sweet machine tho...
[04:14:03] <generic_nick|2> yep
[04:14:07] <PetefromTn> Can you get a collet closer?
[04:14:18] <generic_nick|2> no clue. we just had chucks
[04:14:29] <PetefromTn> pneumatic?
[04:14:38] <generic_nick|2> hydro
[04:14:49] <PetefromTn> are the machines hydro?
[04:15:01] <generic_nick|2> servo
[04:15:14] <PetefromTn> so a pump setup just for the chuck?
[04:15:27] <generic_nick|2> yes and maybe turret, i dunno
[04:15:45] <PetefromTn> don't like hydro stuff... too messy and complicated...
[04:15:52] <generic_nick|2> and tailstock
[04:16:03] <generic_nick|2> never had a problem with it
[04:16:26] <generic_nick|2> all power chucks willl bte hydro
[04:16:30] <generic_nick|2> be*
[04:17:15] <PetefromTn> I am gonna want a nice pendant for my Cincinatti Arrow here soon I think. Gotta find one that has an MPG on it that plays nice with LinuxCNC..
[04:17:21] <generic_nick|2> you need to be able to adjust the pressure. same with the tailstock
[04:17:46] <PetefromTn> aah...
[04:19:43] <PetefromTn> Well I am gonna hit the hay here fellas. Nice chatting with you.. peace
[04:20:17] <generic_nick|2> nite
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[04:23:23] <ssi> mhaberler: excellent find!
[04:24:06] <mhaberler> maybe that helps to fill in the quadrature decoder missing spot in Charles' driver
[04:24:18] <ssi> I'm gonna jump into the PRU code here real soon
[04:24:22] <ssi> PWM outs would be good to have too
[04:24:59] <mhaberler> yes, but maybe investigating the existing PWM's first might make sense before doing new ones
[04:25:09] <ssi> true
[04:25:14] <mhaberler> I didnt look into those though
[04:25:28] <ssi> I have a couple applications for the BBB driving machines
[04:25:42] <mhaberler> stepper?
[04:25:47] <ssi> one is redoing my g0602 lathe, which requires two stepgens, an encoder counter (three would be nice), and a pwm out
[04:25:51] <ssi> yea
[04:26:02] <mhaberler> how many ppr
[04:26:14] <ssi> the spindle encoder is 32 I think
[04:26:16] <ssi> pretty coarse
[04:26:19] <ssi> it's homemade
[04:26:44] <ssi> https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/205204_655375525742_5631970_n.jpg
[04:26:57] <mhaberler> so that wont be more than say 3000 transitions/sec then
[04:27:08] <ssi> it'd be more than that at 3000rpm!
[04:27:13] <mhaberler> oh
[04:27:47] <ssi> I'm hoping that two prus is enough to run four stepgens and four encoder counters at least
[04:27:51] <ssi> but maybe I'm overestimating the hardware
[04:27:55] <mhaberler> well that'd be a bit pushing the envelope with a soft encoder and base thread
[04:28:03] <mhaberler> oh absolutely, enough bang there
[04:28:31] <mhaberler> you need to talk Charles into providing the hooks for other tasklets in the PRU, it might be there already
[04:29:11] <ssi> yea I dunno how configurable pru code is gonna go
[04:29:22] <ssi> might be we just end up with a bunch of different programs, and you load the one you want
[04:30:04] <mhaberler> dont think that will scale; I guess its going to be one binary with all functions assembled in, and select the ones you need based on a config mask
[04:30:17] <ssi> that may work
[04:30:28] <ssi> are there limits to the binary size in the PRU?
[04:30:29] <mhaberler> mask bit set -> execute corresponding tasklet
[04:30:34] <mhaberler> 12k I think
[04:30:50] <mhaberler> pretty hard to exceed with assembly code.. I wouldnt understand it
[04:31:03] <ssi> it's also complex because what pins the PRU grabs (and therefore become unavailable to gpio driver etc) will change based on the tasklets you want
[04:31:22] <mhaberler> yes, that's why the bitmask is needed
[04:31:37] <ssi> yeah I guess that won't be a problem if it's a hal driver that's setting up the PRU
[04:32:02] <mhaberler> that is the case now; HAL driver does incantations, then load PRU binary and start it
[04:32:02] <ssi> pru driver loads first, based on config strings tells pru which tasklets to run, and then marks those pins clamed
[04:32:10] <mhaberler> yes
[04:32:16] <ssi> and honestly the order doesn't even matter
[04:32:28] <ssi> if the gpio driver loads first and claims pins that the pru needs, pru driver will fail
[04:32:34] <mhaberler> that's the point of the bitmask
[04:33:05] <mhaberler> what we do need is a inter-driver convention how to correlate bit number and GPIO pin
[04:33:18] <mhaberler> that's where your offset comes in
[04:33:21] <ssi> keep it simple
[04:33:35] <ssi> two 46 bit masks
[04:33:44] <ssi> first one is P8, second one is P9
[04:34:22] <mhaberler> so we need say macros to convert pin# to bitpos and vice versa
[04:34:39] <ssi> yeah
[04:34:52] <ssi> and those macros can be specific to whatever representation the driver in question uses
[04:34:57] <mhaberler> hm, another list item..
[04:36:09] <ssi> so there's an 8k block of ram in the pru that you can write to from linux code
[04:36:20] <ssi> I guess the strategy is to write control data into that space on the servo-thread
[04:36:27] <ssi> and let the PRU run its own base thread based on your control data
[04:37:44] <ssi> haha gotta love college students
[04:37:45] <ssi> So, if you need precise timing, or more rapid access to a certain GPIO pin, this is a route you might want to look into. There are a few suggestions listed above that might be interesting to see come out of using the PRU. However, if you do not require precisely timed events or faster access to GPIO pins, you might want to consider just using C on the main processor. Much of the information needed to access certain parts of the PRU and the hardware from
[04:38:00] <ssi> "Using the PRU is hard, so we recommend you don't unless you need to, cause it's scary and hard"
[04:38:23] <ssi> also, who starts a paragraph in a research paper with "So, "
[04:38:24] <ssi> :D
[04:40:12] <ssi> http://blog.pignology.net/2013/05/getting-uart2-devttyo1-working-on.html
[04:40:14] <ssi> this is useful too
[04:40:16] <ssi> from Dave's post
[04:41:18] <ssi> oh weird... now I see how you apply an overlay
[04:42:16] <ssi> I'd love to get to a point where we can design some hardware breakout capes that have signal conditioning for specific tasks, and give it an eeprom so it'll load its dto automatically at boot
[04:42:21] <ssi> that would be pretty dang slick
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[05:08:14] <r00t4rd3d> http://ignitelighters.com/ignite-electra.html
[05:08:31] <r00t4rd3d> usb lighter
[05:09:30] <r00t4rd3d> http://ignitelighters.com/ignite-elite.html
[05:10:06] <r00t4rd3d> im gonna get that
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[05:15:53] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ignite-Elite-USB-Lighter-/171015874229?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item27d15726b5
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[05:36:07] <RootB> hey linuxCNC, anyone here with PCB milling experience
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[06:19:06] <r00t4rd3d> plenty here but they all sleeping
[06:20:08] <r00t4rd3d> from 11pm to 8am eastern time it is not very active around here
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[06:43:46] <DJ9DJ> good morning
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[07:00:23] <archivist> RootB, never ask what experiences peope have in irc ask the real question giving real error messages so people can actually help
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[07:27:01] <Gamma-x> I think im switching my 570 steppers to 1200 nema 24...
[07:27:04] <Gamma-x> 32*
[07:27:08] <Gamma-x> 34* damn
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[07:30:00] <Valen> and?
[07:35:28] <Gamma-x> Valen, just felt like sharing... the rf45 does seem to be moving aswell with them..
[07:35:50] <Gamma-x> Valen, was it you who had the hardinge hc with cnc?
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[08:00:56] <Valen> nope just a 45 for me
[08:03:26] <Valen> http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL04F6B774F23F6873
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[08:03:40] <Valen> but servos with glass scales
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[08:05:04] <Valen> made this Gamma-x http://www.vapourforge.com/jake/temp/milled-pcb-for-spinzster.jpg
[08:05:43] <Gamma-x> valen i just mounted my belt drive
[08:05:52] <Gamma-x> will be selling some kits soon if interested.
[08:06:04] <Valen> kits for what?
[08:06:41] <Gamma-x> 45
[08:06:51] <Valen> to do what?
[08:07:29] <Gamma-x> i forgot you have that crazy spindle thing lol
[08:07:55] <Gamma-x> you have steppers or servos?
[08:08:05] <Valen> servos running off glass scales
[08:08:21] <Gamma-x> nice!
[08:08:44] <Gamma-x> the kit I have lets the 4r mill run at 9k rpm
[08:09:00] <Valen> pshaw
[08:09:04] <Valen> 24Krpm ;->
[08:09:58] <Gamma-x> lol how do you hold end mills in it?
[08:10:09] <Valen> collet chuck
[08:10:15] <Gamma-x> chick type
[08:10:26] <Gamma-x> which*
[08:10:28] <Valen> ER12 i think?
[08:10:34] <Valen> something like that anyway
[08:11:15] <Gamma-x> I think I need more bellevilles on my spindle... my er32 collet is getting pulled out... granted this is on a 2 inch side cut on wood...
[08:11:19] <Gamma-x> tested it today firs ttime
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[08:19:00] <DJ9DJ> re
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[11:30:10] <carper64_lb> morning gents
[11:31:51] <micges> hi
[11:33:06] <carper64_lb> oh is a typical rainy uk day
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[11:37:49] <jthornton> weird, the forum seems to be working today
[11:41:52] <carper64_lb> they have all maybe gone to work for a rest
[11:42:09] <carper64_lb> yep
[11:42:32] <carper64_lb> its been down for 2 days i think or at least
[11:42:43] <carper64_lb> a bit hit and miss
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[12:01:26] <PetefromTn> mmmmornin'....
[12:03:03] <carper64_lb> morning
[12:04:36] <L84Supper> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTM2Nzg Ubuntu To Get Its Own Package Format, App Installer
[12:04:49] <L84Supper> get ready for more fun with Ubuntu
[12:16:26] <PetefromTn> I never understand all that techno babble....sigh.
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[12:28:07] <carper64_lb> yep just as i almost get my lathe sorted software wise looks like more screw ps on the way
[12:28:15] <carper64_lb> ups
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[12:31:37] <PetefromTn> huh?
[12:33:03] <carper64_lb> all these changes that are coming to ubuntu
[12:43:17] <r00t4rd3d> i doubt they will effect the version we use
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[12:45:26] <cradek> just what the world needs, a new package manager that doesn't handle dependencies
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[13:06:14] <r00t4rd3d> align the forces and ditch ubuntu
[13:06:53] <r00t4rd3d> just use debian
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[13:08:54] <r00t4rd3d> ubuntu's user base is full of fucking retards so i doubt their package manager really wont be able to handle dependencies.
[13:10:28] <jdh> you are a Gentoo Fan?
[13:10:43] <r00t4rd3d> i hate everything
[13:10:44] <timholum> does anyone know if there are any functional linuxcnc machine's running on an arm processor? I would love to have my beaglebone be the heart of a cnc machine, but Last I looked ( 6 months to a year ago ) I could not find any way to get a real time kernel
[13:11:30] <Daywalker198454> hello together... i have a problem. i want linuxcnc to use a second parport but i think linux doesnt load it...
[13:11:58] <jdh> timholum: afaik, a bbb version is in progress
[13:12:17] <jdh> and runnable with some effort
[13:12:25] <r00t4rd3d> Daywalker198454, how did you add the 2nd parport?
[13:12:50] <r00t4rd3d> a cheap pci card?
[13:13:04] <Daywalker198454> just pushed in a free pci slot... normaly i use windows :P
[13:13:12] <Daywalker198454> new on linux
[13:13:13] <timholum> adh: Thanks for the info, do you know where I could download the devel version?
[13:13:19] <timholum> for beaglebone
[13:14:00] <Daywalker198454> under windows no problem
[13:14:04] <PetefromTn> timholum: I think that SSi here is working on the bone setup for linuxCNC
[13:14:21] <timholum> I think I found a wiki page for it, I will give that a shot
[13:14:28] <timholum> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Debian_Wheezy_Linux-Rt_Compile_LinuxCNC#BeagleBone_ARM_Install
[13:15:50] <jdh> timholum: also: http://www.mail-archive.com/emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net/msg43233.html
[13:16:24] <r00t4rd3d> Daywalker198454, do you know how to open a terminal?
[13:16:40] <r00t4rd3d> lspci and see if the card is listed would be a start
[13:16:41] <timholum> Perfict, I think with this info I should be able to get something working :)
[13:17:10] <Daywalker198454> one moment i will try
[13:17:16] <r00t4rd3d> im dont think any ole pci parport card will work either
[13:17:57] <r00t4rd3d> with cnc stuff
[13:18:03] <r00t4rd3d> with a printer, maybe
[13:18:08] <jdh> http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/18-computer/18917-faq-pci-parallel-port-cards
[13:18:34] <Daywalker198454> 01:0a.0 Communication controller: NetMos Technology PCI 1 port parallel adapter
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[13:19:11] <r00t4rd3d> linux sees it then
[13:19:30] <jdh> see the above URL for pport
[13:19:34] <Daywalker198454> but linux cnc not... adress is c800
[13:20:09] <jdh> do lspci -vv instad
[13:20:59] <jdh> and this for help with what port used by netmos: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?NetMos
[13:22:57] <r00t4rd3d> or just get a mesa card
[13:22:58] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.mesanet.com/fpgacardinfo.html
[13:23:11] <r00t4rd3d> and bug pcw_home for support :D
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[13:23:55] <Daywalker198454> first wanted to test step / Dir servos with linearencoder feedback at lowspeed
[13:24:03] <Daywalker198454> the mesa :)
[13:24:14] <r00t4rd3d> you have a mesa?
[13:24:26] <Daywalker198454> not yet
[13:24:30] <r00t4rd3d> oh
[13:25:12] <Daywalker198454> got one pci parallelcard lying here around an wanted to test linux cnc
[13:25:34] <Daywalker198454> with linear scales
[13:25:42] <Daywalker198454> to do pos. feedback
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[13:26:51] <Daywalker198454> did the lspci -vv
[13:27:33] <jdh> does step/dir + feedback do anything useful other than generate following errors?
[13:27:33] <Daywalker198454> but what is the adress of the 1st and what for the 2nd parallelport
[13:28:06] <jdh> Day: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?NetMos
[13:28:19] <Daywalker198454> just want to know linuxcnc to know the real tablepos
[13:29:06] <jdh> and use it for error generation, or just for DRO like things?
[13:29:49] <r00t4rd3d> does he need to define the hardware address of both parports some place?
[13:30:12] <jdh> yes, it is in the above link
[13:30:52] <Daywalker198454> i a real noob in linux installed it the first time
[13:31:47] <Daywalker198454> i think linux didnt start the 2nd parport
[13:31:51] <r00t4rd3d> lshw in a terminal should list the onboard parport addess
[13:32:02] <r00t4rd3d> address
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[13:38:37] <Daywalker198454> can i copy the result to this board?
[13:39:43] <JT-Shop> use pastebin
[13:40:12] <Daywalker198454> pastebin
[13:40:13] <jdh> InterSorb is $119.00 from DGE
[13:40:17] <jdh> <urk>
[13:40:24] <JT-Shop> pastebin.com
[13:40:31] <JT-Shop> then post the link
[13:40:38] <Daywalker198454> thx
[13:41:49] <Daywalker198454> http://pastebin.com/axiJQnvh
[13:48:37] <Daywalker198454> r00t4rd3d is the link working?
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[13:50:26] <jdh> did you try using the addresses listed?
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[13:50:36] <jdh> one at a time? I'd start with c800
[13:52:27] <Daywalker198454> made a new stepconf.. with 0x378 everything is ok
[13:53:05] <Daywalker198454> then new stepconf.. with 0xc800
[13:53:18] <Daywalker198454> ill try one more time
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[13:55:02] <Daywalker198454> 0x378 is the onboard
[13:56:05] <Daywalker198454> loadrt hal_parport cfg="0xc800 out " doesnt work
[13:58:12] <Daywalker198454> loadrt hal_parport cfg="0xc400 out " doesnt work
[13:58:19] <Nick001> loadrt hal_parport cfg="0x378 0xc800 out" no spaces to the "
[13:58:43] <Nick001> that will give you both parports
[13:59:40] <Nick001> or loadrt hal_parport cfg= 0xc800 out no"s if just 1 parport
[14:00:14] <Daywalker198454> ill try one moment
[14:01:49] <Daywalker198454> loadrt hal_parport cfg= 0xc800 out doesnt work
[14:02:46] <Nick001> did you try loadrt hal_parport cfg="0x378 0xc800 out"
[14:02:56] <syyl_> [1527:36] <jdh> does step/dir + feedback do anything useful other than generate following errors?
[14:03:02] <syyl_> i run steppers with linearscales
[14:03:05] <syyl_> with no problem
[14:03:46] <Daywalker198454> i think i have to set up a new stepconf
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[14:05:50] <PetefromTn> Well just been working with Mike Kilroy on my spindle drive setup. He is the GURU about these Cincinatti Spindle motors... He got my setup working pretty good over email now. Crazy motor setup on these machines. 270v 5.5kw 7.5 HP 12,000 RPM motor max speed and 50 hz. Not your typical motor I guess...
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[14:07:02] <Daywalker198454> i have to try again later.. @ Nick001 no success on your last hint...
[14:07:42] <Daywalker198454> do i have to activate the 2nd parport in linux 1st???
[14:07:58] <Nick001> how did you get the c800
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[14:08:34] <Daywalker198454> http://pastebin.com/axiJQnvh
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[14:09:14] <Nick001> what do you get with lspci vv
[14:11:18] <Daywalker198454> http://pastebin.com/vFqdf16W
[14:12:37] <Gigs-> You guys know where one could get a comprehensive coil spring assortment without paying an insane amount?
[14:13:34] <Gigs-> ideally like 1 foot long pieces of spring stock in a bunch of common diameters and various weights, up to .750 diameter or so
[14:14:45] <L84Supper> northern tool, harbor freight
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[14:14:55] <L84Supper> https://www.centuryspring.com/products/assortments.php
[14:14:57] <Gigs-> yeah I have one of those, pretty limited
[14:15:05] <Gigs-> the HF type I mean
[14:16:00] <L84Supper> http://www.ajaxwire.com/springassortlink.html
[14:16:22] <Gigs-> brownells sells this nice tube of compression spring stock but it's all small sizes
[14:16:40] <L84Supper> http://www.fastenal.com/web/products?searchmode=&rfqXref=&rfqKeyword=&rfqId=&rfqLineId=&r=~|categoryl1:%22600000%20Fasteners%22|~%20~|categoryl2:%22600206%20Hardware%22|~%20~|categoryl3:%22608834%20Spring%20Products%22|~%20~|categoryl4:%22604577%20Spring%20Assortments%22|~
[14:16:54] <Gigs-> I do know how to use google. Thanks though :P
[14:17:14] <Gigs-> did you see the prices on those at fastenal?
[14:17:20] <Gigs-> there's like a 10 million percent markup
[14:18:01] <L84Supper> quit whinin an git a googlin :)
[14:18:16] <Gigs-> I've already googled, I didn't find much
[14:18:32] <Nick001> loadrt hal_parport cfg="0x378 0xcc008 out" sometimes you have to try one of the other addresses
[14:18:49] <Nick001> in the list
[14:18:55] <Gigs-> there's the harbor frieght type stuff for like $5 but very limited, or the fastenal type which are more specific and cost $100 times more
[14:19:53] <pcw_home> No Springs!
[14:20:05] <L84Supper> where can I find a hat I can wear so I can lose pounds and inches while earning money while I sleep?
[14:20:25] <Gigs-> If you are making fun of me I don't think my request is unreasonable
[14:20:47] <Gigs-> springs cost a fraction of a cent to make, probably less than bolts, but it's pretty easy to have a fully stocked cabinet of every common bolt size
[14:21:02] <L84Supper> the point is you might be looking for something that isn't available
[14:21:13] <Gigs-> that's why I asked some guys that might know
[14:21:49] <FinboySlick> L84Supper: Only kind of hat that I can think of which might suit that requirement would turn you into a pulp fiction character.
[14:21:55] <pcw_home> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_mE8wKRcQc
[14:21:55] <Tecan> (7_mE8wKRcQc) "A Case of Spring Fever" by "jeeves4567" is "Comedy" - Length: 0:08:20
[14:21:56] <Gigs-> I wonder how hard it is to make a spring making machine hehe
[14:22:57] <GammaX> mornin all
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[14:23:27] <GammaX> gigs, how its made can show you....
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[14:23:41] <Gigs-> yeah I've seen that one
[14:23:54] <Gigs-> here's a little machine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToHlRZuXq1Q
[14:23:55] <Tecan> (ToHlRZuXq1Q) "RH Automatic spring coiling machine" by "squarelizzy" is "People" - Length: 0:02:26
[14:24:46] <L84Supper> pcw_home: I miss MST3K
[14:27:09] <L84Supper> FinboySlick: https://blog.conformal.com/btcd-a-bitcoind-alternative-written-in-go/
[14:27:24] <FinboySlick> L84Supper: Yeah, I caught that this morning.
[14:27:50] <GammaX> does anyone here ACTUALLY use granite blocks?
[14:28:21] <GammaX> thinkin this might be a good deal.... http://fortcollins.craigslist.org/tls/3731759370.html
[14:28:26] <L84Supper> we pour our own polymer granite
[14:29:33] <Gigs-> http://www.instructables.com/id/Make-your-own-springs-in-seconds/
[14:29:43] <L84Supper> a deal if you're nearby, Shars has good prices on new, but I can drive over and pick them up, I'd hate to see the shipping costs
[14:30:37] <Gigs-> if you don't want to wade through his crappy video, he just winds them on a rod in a hand drill
[14:31:06] <Gigs-> uses keystock for spacing to make compression, winds it straight on for extension
[14:31:14] <JT-Shop> YIPPIE only one more shaft adapter to broach
[14:31:38] <L84Supper> GammaX: http://www.shars.com/product_categories/view/5100102/Precision_Black_Granite_Surface_Plates_Grade_A
[14:31:42] <GammaX> whats up JT-Shop
[14:31:49] <Gigs-> what's polymer granite L84Supper
[14:31:50] <JT-Shop> making machines
[14:32:14] <GammaX> L84Supper lol those are good deals!
[14:32:23] <L84Supper> Gigs-: polymer + stone composite
[14:32:28] <GammaX> although his comes with a stand and I may be able to trade for it...
[14:32:46] <Gigs-> L84Supper: for walkways/flooring?
[14:33:01] <L84Supper> Gigs-: machine bases
[14:33:24] <Gigs-> neat
[14:33:53] <GammaX> JT-Shop you say your making machines??
[14:34:04] <generic_nick|2> morning
[14:34:06] <JT-Shop> yep, it is what I do for a living
[14:34:19] <GammaX> JT-Shop if u dont mindfme askin,. what kinda machines?
[14:35:50] <L84Supper> Gigs-: Valen has a howto http://www.cnczone.com/forums/general_metal_working_machines/118358-phenolic_basalt_head_hm45.html
[14:36:05] <GammaX> L84Supper you ever use a granite block?
[14:36:38] <generic_nick|2> does anyone know of a good optical sensor that i can use to make a disk encoder?
[14:36:58] <generic_nick|2> i want to make a disk encoder for my spindle on my mill
[14:37:05] <GammaX> generic_nick|2 i do!
[14:37:22] <GammaX> http://www.ebay.com/itm/320968554164?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
[14:37:30] <generic_nick|2> thanks!
[14:37:55] <GammaX> dependson the route you wanna go... this one points striaght forward if you want one to look up....
[14:38:20] <GammaX> actually just type in omron ee into ebay and it will give you a pleather of choices
[14:38:50] <generic_nick|2> cool
[14:39:11] <generic_nick|2> i was planning on machining a disk with a bunch of slots in it all the way around
[14:39:21] <GammaX> ill be using one on mine, just have to darken the inside of the splines on my rf45 spindle and polish the outer edges...
[14:39:41] <JT-Shop> GammaX: factory automation
[14:40:03] <GammaX> JT-Shop can you show an example?
[14:42:00] <generic_nick|2> i need 3 of those i assume, 1 each for a,b, and index?
[14:42:22] <generic_nick|2> is index even needed for rigid tapping?
[14:42:28] <GammaX> generic_nick|2 what you putting this on?
[14:42:37] <generic_nick|2> my mill's spindle
[14:42:46] <GammaX> well rigid tapping will need one on spindle.
[14:43:04] <GammaX> you said 3 of them though?
[14:43:11] <generic_nick|2> im just asking
[14:43:21] <generic_nick|2> didnt know if it needed a,b, and z
[14:43:22] <GammaX> well... im gonna be using just 1.
[14:43:45] <GammaX> what kind of system is this going on?
[14:44:01] <generic_nick|2> system?
[14:44:18] <GammaX> what type of machine generic_nick|2
[14:44:20] <generic_nick|2> just on the spindle of my mill running emc
[14:44:27] <generic_nick|2> shizuoka
[14:44:39] <GammaX> got any photos of spindle area?
[14:44:50] <generic_nick|2> not off hand
[14:45:31] <generic_nick|2> i was just going to machine a disk to mount on the spindle up near the pulley
[14:45:44] <generic_nick|2> tons of room after i ditched the varidrive
[14:46:45] <jdh> I dont' think that woudl be a great sensor for a slotted disk
[14:47:19] <generic_nick|2> not even slots that dont go through and i paint the insides black?
[14:47:39] <jdh> that might work
[14:47:46] <GammaX> generic_nick|2 I think it would be great with great reliability.
[14:48:59] <GammaX> if you can take out the spindle if you precision grind some splines on it and then mount the omron to thatarea. no need for a disc at all.
[14:49:06] <generic_nick|2> have you figured out how many ppr at a given rpm it can handle
[14:49:30] <GammaX> that or clamp on like an aluminum coupler with your slots already cut on it.
[14:49:41] <jdh> you could get a spline sensor and not use a disc
[14:49:42] <generic_nick|2> the disk would be way easier....
[14:50:14] <GammaX> jdh thats what im trying to do with my omron.
[14:50:49] <generic_nick|2> there are no splines, i need something big enough in diameter to clear a part of the spindle or ill have to make a big bracket, and the disk is easier
[14:52:07] <GammaX> jdh DO YOU HAVE THAT SETUP WITH THE SPLINES?
[14:52:16] <jdh> NO!
[14:52:38] <FinboySlick> I DON'T EITHER! ;)
[14:52:49] <GammaX> lol why so hostile man...
[14:53:27] <JT-Shop> would you guys quit hollering I'm trying to take a nap
[14:53:31] <JT-Shop> GammaX: http://imagebin.org/257088
[14:53:35] <generic_nick|2> WHY IS EVERYONE YELLING!
[14:53:40] <PetefromTn> snicker snicker../
[14:54:06] <JT-Shop> some parts for 7 automatics I'm making http://imagebin.org/257089
[14:54:07] <GammaX> LOUD NOISESSS!!!!!
[14:54:14] <JT-Shop> dang that is fuzzy
[14:54:29] <GammaX> JT-Shop Looks great!
[14:54:43] <generic_nick|2> JT-Shop: your press runs on ethernet?
[14:55:13] <FinboySlick> JT-Shop: Don't mention automatics, you'll wake up our local ATF agent.
[14:55:15] <GammaX> haha I just noticed that
[14:56:48] <JT-Shop> yea, I can surf the internet while pressing parts
[14:57:23] <L84Supper> POE = power over ethernet
[14:57:45] <Jymmm> 48V press huh?
[14:57:48] <pcw_home> Purity Of Essence
[14:58:24] <L84Supper> 48, 49 whatever it takes
[14:58:39] <GammaX> does poe realy put out 48v?!
[14:58:55] <Jymmm> up to 48
[14:59:09] <L84Supper> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_over_Ethernet
[14:59:11] <GammaX> damn... thats good to know...
[14:59:35] <GammaX> does linuxcnc have capability of controlling a usb based break out board for a stepper system?
[14:59:54] <Jymmm> nope
[15:00:45] <jdh> you have to have a POE injector
[15:00:46] <GammaX> damn
[15:03:46] <pcw_home> Running LinuxCNC with a remote USB controller has been done
[15:03:48] <pcw_home> but it fragments the RT portion of LinuxCNC
[15:03:50] <pcw_home> (this may be addressed in the future with MachineKit that runs
[15:03:51] <pcw_home> all of the RT parts of LinuxNC on the remote device)
[15:04:39] <FinboySlick> The MachineKit concept seems promising.
[15:05:15] <Jymmm> MachineKit ???
[15:05:48] <GammaX> anyone have sonme larger nema 34 steppers there lookin to sell?
[15:06:36] <Jymmm> pcw_home: MachineKit ???
[15:07:13] <pcw_home> at the minimum the remote device probably needs fast floating point,
[15:07:15] <pcw_home> sufficient memory for HAL, Motion,Task,and a communication method
[15:07:16] <pcw_home> which may rule out a number of existing USB stepgen/IO devices
[15:07:19] <PetefromTn> JT-Shop: what the hell are those things?
[15:07:53] <GammaX> Also annyone running a Hitachi sj200 vfd?
[15:08:14] <PetefromTn> sorry WJ200...
[15:08:18] <Jymmm> PetefromTn: (industrial sex toys)
[15:08:21] <generic_nick|2> ok time to plan my shop layout. and figure out how im going to move my mill....
[15:08:27] <PetefromTn> LOL....smartass.
[15:08:49] <PetefromTn> I thought all CNC's were industrial sex toys LOL
[15:08:49] <Jymmm> PetefromTn: you would think, but Noooooooooooooooooo
[15:09:00] <GammaX> PetefromTn should be closenough... you running it with linuxcnc?
[15:09:07] <PetefromTn> yuppers
[15:09:34] <JT-Shop> PetefromTn: servo motors, gear boxes, linear slides, bits and pieces
[15:09:44] <GammaX> PetefromTn classic ladder or someother way?
[15:10:11] <Jymmm> PetefromTn: Here, watch some CNC pr0n http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_qHR_H_2cg
[15:10:12] <Tecan> (A_qHR_H_2cg) "CTX gamma 2000 TC" by "GILDEMEISTERTV" is "Tech" - Length: 0:08:58
[15:10:51] <PetefromTn> Right now I have not gotten to the toolchanger still working on the basic three axis system and spindle control with linuxCNC...gotta get my spindle encoder installed before I can rigid tap and index for toolchange...
[15:11:37] <JT-Shop> when they are done they go on an assembly line to lift and rotate pallets (not the kind for shipping) as needed to present the correct side of the engine to the automatic assembly machines
[15:12:02] <PetefromTn> SWEET....you are not new at this then Right LOL
[15:12:27] <PetefromTn> CNC porn is GOOD PORN....shiny stuff...drool.
[15:13:44] <generic_nick|2> hmmm maybe i can put an anchor in my floor and use a snatchblock with a winch to pull the mill
[15:14:54] <Jymmm> generic_nick|2: get yourself 5-10 1/4" steel rods. use them as "rollers"
[15:15:12] <PetefromTn> ya know I watch that multi axis machine video and think to myself......jeez man I can think of about a hundred ways to crash the crap out of that monster LOL...
[15:15:29] <generic_nick|2> too heavy to lift, and it wont roll without mechanical help
[15:15:30] <GammaX> generic_nick|2 id go for rolling and eth an electric or hand crnk winc
[15:15:59] <generic_nick|2> it's a 7000lb mill
[15:16:43] <GammaX> craigslistmight have a guy offeriung forklift service
[15:16:58] <generic_nick|2> no, cant do that here
[15:17:03] <PetefromTn> I have moved several heavy machines using steel small diameter pipes as rollers...
[15:17:52] <generic_nick|2> ive moved this machine tons of times, it's a knee mill and rollers are a PITA
[15:18:22] <PetefromTn> yeah they are but they work and are cheap. You can go rent some machine skates if you want. Or build some...
[15:19:26] <generic_nick|2> na i want an anchor in the floor for pulling broken vehicles into my driveway anyways
[15:19:41] <FinboySlick> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6m01VGiNPI
[15:19:43] <GammaX> I just moved my hardnge hc with full cnc hookup n it with a engine hoiust... omg. nversin
[15:19:52] <GammaX> never again*!
[15:19:56] <generic_nick|2> lol
[15:20:07] <JT-Shop> PetefromTn: thanks, I've been doing this for some time yes
[15:20:08] <generic_nick|2> i just push my hnc around by hand
[15:20:21] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: (2 weeks)
[15:20:28] <generic_nick|2> i spray some furniture polish on the floor and it slides easy
[15:20:41] <GammaX> yeah after the engine hoist thing I bought somerealy heavyduty castersand vwa!
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[15:21:50] <generic_nick|2> if my jeep was lower, id put a long bar in my front trailer hitch and push the mill with it in 4 low
[15:22:04] <generic_nick|2> but it's too high and may tip it over
[15:23:06] <PetefromTn> let the air outta the tires LOL...
[15:23:22] <generic_nick|2> lol thought about that, but airing back up takes forever
[15:23:25] <ssi> morn folks
[15:23:30] <generic_nick|2> morning
[15:24:50] <JT-Shop> generic_nick|2: http://gnipsel.com/shop/unload-308/unload-308-09.xhtml
[15:25:52] <generic_nick|2> nice JT-Shop
[15:26:09] <generic_nick|2> if i only had a backhoe lol
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[15:26:52] <GammaX> generic_nick|2 its quite somple...
[15:27:02] <ssi> jdh: re stepdir+encoders, you can run stepgens in velocity mode and do full servo
[15:27:41] <GammaX> PetefromTn how is your vfd hooked up?
[15:28:34] <JT-Shop> generic_nick|2: they do come in handy if you don't have a tree near by
[15:29:39] <generic_nick|2> i bet.
[15:30:12] <generic_nick|2> i think after i move my shop i may try and sell my house and move somewhere where i actually have room for a backhoe
[15:30:21] <generic_nick|2> or at least a tree for that matter
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[15:31:48] <ssi> what's the backhoe weigh?
[15:31:58] <ssi> heaviest thing I have is my forklift, and it's only 8000lb
[15:32:02] <GammaX> how would one possiy load these files? http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/EMC2/sj200rtu-ft/
[15:32:27] <L84Supper> http://chicago.craigslist.org/sox/tls/3792487926.html Wadkin L.Q. Mill Recessing Machine
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[15:33:50] <generic_nick|2> wish i could remember where the place was that recycles titanium
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[15:37:34] <JT-Shop> ssi: 12,500 if I'm not on it
[15:37:58] <ssi> awshit, that means you need a type rating for it :P
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[15:39:17] <ssi> wait, wait no
[15:39:33] <ssi> The requirement for a type rating is limited to large (greater than 12,500 lbs MGTOW)
[15:39:40] <ssi> that means 12,501 requires a type rating
[15:39:43] <ssi> 12,500 doesn't :D
[15:39:55] <ssi> I can never remember which side of the fencepost it falls on
[15:42:36] <JT-Shop> what's a type rating?
[15:42:50] <ssi> sorry, stupid pilot jokes
[15:43:07] <JT-Shop> ok, I'm with you now
[15:43:07] <ssi> type rating is a special certificate that you have to hold in order to fly a particular type of aircraft
[15:43:17] <ssi> every aircraft over 12,5 requires one
[15:43:32] <ssi> but the key word there is "over"
[15:43:35] <JT-Shop> biggest I ever flew was a Cessna 310
[15:43:45] <JT-Shop> dunno what it weighed
[15:43:52] <JT-Shop> it was my Dads
[15:44:02] <ssi> there's lots of planes where they intentionally set the GTOW at 12,500 even though it could technically be higher, just to avoid having to be typed in it
[15:44:06] <ssi> a 310 is about 4k GTOW
[15:44:20] <ssi> 4600 actually
[15:44:23] <JT-Shop> IIRC a slick sombeach when pointed downhill
[15:44:23] <ssi> 2850 empty
[15:44:37] <ssi> 12,5 is a BIG airplane
[15:44:41] <ssi> or a small bulldozer :)
[15:44:48] <JT-Shop> yea, it gives me some scale now
[15:44:56] <JT-Shop> I need a small dozer
[15:45:42] <ssi> I need to get a trailer that I can put my forklift on
[15:45:47] <ssi> and also move machinery with
[15:46:11] <ssi> I figure a 12klb rated trailer would do it
[15:46:19] <ssi> the trailer itself will weigh 3k or so
[15:46:40] <ssi> but the ramp for the forklift is the hard part
[15:46:55] <ssi> it's solid tire :(
[15:47:26] <JT-Shop> yea, they are hard to load without a dock
[15:47:40] <ssi> rollback would be nice :P
[15:47:44] <ssi> but a bit out of my price range
[15:47:48] <JT-Shop> the local rental place has a drop bed trailer for the hard tire forklifts
[15:48:01] <r00t4rd3d> I have OSHA forklift certification :)
[15:48:08] <ssi> not me
[15:48:11] <ssi> I'm thoroughly unsafe
[15:48:14] <r00t4rd3d> not that its hard to get
[15:48:27] <generic_nick|2> i remember some joker who came to buy a mill from me tried loading a forklift on some old ass wood deck trailer and it fell through
[15:48:32] <ssi> we used to have drunken parties and I'd put five or six people on a pallet and raise them eight feet in the air and do donuts
[15:48:39] <r00t4rd3d> i use to load tractor trailers, had to get it.
[15:48:49] <ssi> OSHA BE DAMNED
[15:49:57] <generic_nick|2> ssi, we just lift my jeep up when we get drunk around the forklift. http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8263/8705860068_1a4372a41f_c.jpg
[15:50:08] <ssi> :D
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[15:50:45] <ssi> I call this "extreme bicycle maintenance"
[15:50:45] <ssi> http://sphotos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/426109_808473680812_1170623857_n.jpg
[15:50:45] <r00t4rd3d> friends dont let friends drink and lift
[15:51:14] <JT-Shop> suspension travel... check
[15:51:28] <r00t4rd3d> dont ever drive that thing in the mud
[15:51:45] <ssi> the lift? I dropped one wheel off the driveway once
[15:51:48] <ssi> that was an adventure
[15:51:58] <FinboySlick> That suspension has so much travel, it suffers jetlag.
[15:52:04] <r00t4rd3d> i got one like that buried in 1 inch of mud
[15:52:13] <L84Supper> http://www.discountramps.com/bicycle-work-stand.htm?CAWELAID=1374132353&catargetid=1389811204&cagpspn=pla&gclid=CPuMhr-wibcCFfFDMgoduQQAYg
[15:52:14] <r00t4rd3d> tow truck had to come pull it out
[15:52:14] <generic_nick|2> dont drive the jeep in the mud? i actually dont, i hate mud.
[15:52:41] <generic_nick|2> working on a muddy jeep sucks.....
[15:52:41] <L84Supper> bike stands are for sissies
[15:53:29] <generic_nick|2> FinboySlick: yea it's a bit much, want intended lol
[15:53:40] <r00t4rd3d> i need a stand to work on my bike: http://i.imgur.com/U4ZmjsF.jpg
[15:53:44] <ssi> speaking of jeeps: http://sphotos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/406830_769837483062_1888283244_n.jpg
[15:54:25] <generic_nick|2> nice, yours?
[15:54:31] <ssi> my next door neighbor's
[15:54:54] <generic_nick|2> time to throw a dana 60 and 14 bolt under it
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[15:55:28] <ssi> I love going through my old pictures
[15:55:31] <ssi> http://sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/408793_770310160812_1144829503_n.jpg
[15:55:48] <ssi> I did a lot of cool stuff on my little g0602
[15:55:58] <generic_nick|2> i need a steadyrest
[15:56:04] <ssi> http://sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/399878_775108450002_1069079313_n.jpg
[15:56:27] <ssi> http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/401219_780178599382_778457399_n.jpg
[15:56:56] <generic_nick|2> http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8123/8632799397_e2d1ddb5ba_c.jpg the dana 60 i built for the front of my jeep
[15:57:16] <ssi> sweet
[15:57:20] <generic_nick|2> narrowed it, rotated the knuckles, welded the brackets on, etc
[15:57:36] <ssi> I talked about making some parts for my neighbor's jeep on the plasma table
[15:57:38] <ssi> but it never happened :P
[15:57:41] <generic_nick|2> came out of a dodge 3500
[15:58:04] <generic_nick|2> yea i want to build a plasma table for some stuff i want to build for mine
[15:58:16] <ssi> i'm rebuilding my table now
[15:58:22] <ssi> hopefully I can get it cutting this weekend
[15:58:24] <ssi> motion seems sorted out
[15:58:31] <generic_nick|2> nice
[15:58:49] <generic_nick|2> well i gotta run, time to finish cleaning the shop and get some machines moved
[15:58:54] <ssi> have fun
[15:58:59] <generic_nick|2> will do, adios
[16:00:28] <PetefromTn> GammaX: right to the 7i77 card...
[16:03:21] <JT-Shop> this makes me so sad... http://imagebin.org/257100
[16:03:38] <ssi> hahaha
[16:05:28] <JT-Shop> it really ain't funny when your mind is so far gone a new coffee pot can not be delt with
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[16:07:34] <JT-Shop> we had 6 of the old ones and when the last one died we were forced to get a different one...
[16:09:16] <r00t4rd3d> do you put cocoa powder in your coffee?
[16:09:47] <JT-Shop> no
[16:10:05] <PetefromTn> Well a big thanks to Mike Kilroy for helping me get my spindle parameter setting sorted out for the Cincinatti Arrow.....
[16:10:38] <r00t4rd3d> who is mike kilroy
[16:11:27] <PetefromTn> Hes a guy who posts over on the CNC zone Cincinatti forum who apparently has a LOT of experience with these machines and also does professional retrofits...
[16:11:41] <Tom_itx> in your defense JT-Shop, the time of day you go to push the button nobody is really thinking clearly
[16:12:00] <JT-Shop> it's not my coffee pot, it is the MIL's
[16:12:02] <r00t4rd3d> or get a coffee pot with a timer
[16:12:07] <Tom_itx> oh
[16:12:12] <Tom_itx> even so
[16:12:14] <JT-Shop> she is 87
[16:12:31] <JT-Shop> we have to put the child lock on the microwave and stuff like that
[16:12:37] <ssi> my grandmother is 87, and she still has her wits about her
[16:12:48] <ssi> but she's gotten to be more and more of an asshole as she's gotten older
[16:12:48] <JT-Shop> don't matter what time is it when you can't remember
[16:12:57] <JT-Shop> she is lucky
[16:12:59] <ssi> yeah
[16:13:13] <ssi> she's starting to have other health problems, but overall she's doing quite well for her age
[16:13:33] <PetefromTn> you mean apart from being an asshole?
[16:13:40] <ssi> yep
[16:13:42] <JT-Shop> MIL is healthy except for her dementia
[16:13:43] <ssi> that's more of a problem for the rest of us
[16:17:37] * Tom_itx wonders what other widgets to add to the axis pannel
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[16:21:00] <JT-Shop> put some spare widgets on the panel
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[16:21:33] <PetefromTn> Is it bad when you spend so much time working on your machine trying to get it to a working state that when you FINALLY get it there you can't think of a single thing to do with it LOL...
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[16:22:10] <PetefromTn> My pendant panel is NAKED and I am going to make some aluminum plates for it to add some buttons and stuff...
[16:23:17] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/cnc/pendant8.jpg
[16:23:34] <Tom_itx> found a formed aluminum box at the scrap place i made one from
[16:25:26] <ReadError> http://defcad.org/liberator/
[16:25:29] <ReadError> oh noes
[16:25:39] <ReadError> i see r00t4rd3d buying a 3d printer and giving up the wooden gun biz
[16:28:50] <PetefromTn> Tom_itx: Looks pretty sweet man. I may have to build one but Id rather buy one in a bit when I get some more cash.
[16:29:14] <Tom_itx> i'd use better button if it were a full size machine
[16:29:25] <r00t4rd3d> http://imgur.com/a/XWytq/layout/blog
[16:29:43] <r00t4rd3d> can that armature be fixed?
[16:30:06] <Tom_itx> doubtful
[16:30:07] <r00t4rd3d> i cant believe the dude turned it into a fucking lamp
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[16:32:18] <PetefromTn> why?
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[16:32:39] <IchGuckLive> hi all from the suny B) Germany
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[16:43:44] <PetefromTn> hi ich..
[16:52:17] <IchGuckLive> O.O
[16:52:58] <IchGuckLive> someone knowes howto Change the $MaxPost variable to increase this limit.
[16:53:09] <IchGuckLive> on our wiki i need 400k
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[16:59:35] <jthornton> I would assume the list owner is the only one that can change that but I might be wrong
[16:59:52] <IchGuckLive> O.O
[17:02:31] <Daywalker198454> ichgucklive du hast doch die tutorials in youtube geschrieben oder?
[17:04:16] <IchGuckLive> B)
[17:07:45] <jthornton> so does that mean that 10.04 will not get any more updates after today?
[17:10:18] <ReadError> its EOL?
[17:10:20] <ReadError> if so yea
[17:10:56] <Connor> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS
[17:11:02] <ssi> these came out great :D http://sphotos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/405881_508840869181759_1103712049_n.jpg
[17:11:29] <Connor> So, For Desktop, yes.
[17:11:56] <Connor> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[17:13:52] <Connor> Which sucks, because I'm running 10.04 LTS as my desktop
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[17:17:31] <IchGuckLive> we realy need to get the 12.04 up and running on RTAI
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[17:17:47] <ssi> would be smart
[17:18:17] <Connor> I really don't care for unity.
[17:18:26] <ReadError> ssi, let me know if you find any good machine or machineshop stuff in ATL :)
[17:18:31] <ReadError> im always in the market for toys
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[17:19:13] <Connor> In fact.. I'm using something called Awm. Avant Window Navigator.. runs ontop of GNOME.
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[17:19:36] <ReadError> gnome > KDE
[17:19:40] <ReadError> I have _never_ liked KDE
[17:19:42] <ReadError> ever.
[17:19:48] <ssi> nope, kde blows
[17:20:09] <ssi> when I ran linux as a desktop, i never ran a desktop environment
[17:20:12] <ssi> I justused window managers
[17:20:15] <ssi> keep it simple
[17:20:26] <ReadError> ive always like linux
[17:20:28] <ssi> I leave linuxcnc machines as it comes out of the box, and that's whatever
[17:20:30] <ReadError> did LFS at like 14
[17:20:43] <ReadError> studied software engineering in college
[17:20:48] <ReadError> now im back to linux lol
[17:20:55] <ReadError> because i would hate to write code all day
[17:21:08] <ssi> there are worse professions :)
[17:21:22] <ReadError> well i deal alot with storage too
[17:21:24] <ReadError> EMC stuff
[17:21:25] <Connor> I'm a code jokey.. :)
[17:21:37] <ReadError> bah i would blow my brains out Connor
[17:21:38] <ssi> I was a code jockey... I'm an architect now
[17:21:40] <Connor> and Systems Administrator..
[17:21:45] <ReadError> im more of an idea guy
[17:21:49] <ssi> which means I tell people how to write stuff and they conveniently fail to listen
[17:21:53] <ReadError> rather than doing whats on paper
[17:21:59] <ssi> and then I get to rewrite it all from scratch at the eleventh hour
[17:22:01] <Connor> and a Network Engineer.
[17:22:06] <Connor> and a Sales Person...
[17:22:11] <ReadError> lol
[17:22:15] <Connor> and a Help Desk Monkey..
[17:22:21] <ReadError> so you work for a small company that uses you for everything you know ;)
[17:22:24] <ReadError> but thats good
[17:22:27] <ReadError> makes you valuable
[17:22:31] <Connor> Yea, My own company. :)
[17:22:35] <ReadError> ahah
[17:22:53] <Connor> but, I did work for a ISP for over 13 years..
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[17:23:20] <Connor> doing all that.. but, now it's mostly Database and web development.
[17:23:53] <ReadError> im better at just thinking of random cool ideas to implement
[17:23:59] <ReadError> then i start, and my ADD kicks in
[17:24:07] <ReadError> so they never get finished ;/
[17:24:11] <ssi> I'm mostly bad at ideas
[17:24:20] <ssi> and I also have the ADD problem
[17:24:33] <ssi> but I usually can get far enough into a project to commit a serious amount of money to it before I get bored
[17:24:39] <ssi> so I have lot of really expensive half finished projects
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[17:27:01] <PetefromTn> well you IDEA guys need to throw me some ideas for products to make on this VMC here LOL... I gotta start making some money with this monster or my wife will have me sleeping on the couch.....and that is not good......because I like my bed. ahem...
[17:27:19] <ssi> PetefromTn: no I prefer you fail and are forced to sell it to me for what you have in it
[17:27:57] <PetefromTn> Now why the hell would I do that. at least if I do fail I can tell the wife it is worth WAY more than I have in it LOL...
[17:29:05] <ssi> hahahaha
[17:29:25] <ssi> seriously I gotta find me something like that
[17:29:59] <Connor> Okay, So, I need to make a one-off part... It's a rectangle part, with a U shape cut into the center.. and 4 holes (one in each corner).. I can't use the vise because it would run it into the jaws..
[17:30:19] <PetefromTn> I am really likin it.... Especially when I made that circular interp last nite and it was only .0001 out of spec LO..
[17:30:40] <GammaX> Connor how would it do that?
[17:30:44] <ssi> yea that's awesome
[17:30:47] <Connor> so, I guess I need to use hold down clamps.. but.. I don't want to reposition the clamps to drill the freaking holes... it's not a very large part either.. about 4" wide and 2.5" deep
[17:30:52] <ssi> I love the crap out of my HNC... it's an amazingly precise machine
[17:31:04] <GammaX> PetefromTn are ou using modbus to control that vfd>
[17:31:06] <GammaX> ?
[17:31:06] <ssi> the guy I Bought it from was making fuel nozzles for jet engines out of inconel
[17:31:38] <ReadError> http://25.media.tumblr.com/1ea1bd21d911d7b515a632b54b8be627/tumblr_mhdrm57TVJ1r090djo1_500.jpg
[17:31:46] <PetefromTn> Connor: you need to bolt a plate to the vise and then drill and tap that for the hold down bolts in the four holes, then use them to clamp the part while you machine the slot...
[17:32:07] <PetefromTn> nope...just linuxCNC and the 7i77 card.
[17:32:29] <Connor> I guess I could also cut the bar down slightly over sized.. mill the ends.. and mount it long ways in the vise since I have a 5" vise..
[17:32:48] <Connor> that would allow me access to the side that I need to cut U shape.
[17:32:49] <PetefromTn> always more than one way....
[17:32:56] <GammaX> PetefromTn so a ladder?
[17:33:30] <PetefromTn> LOL no man no ladder yet just basic linuxCNC. The ladder will come once I get spindle orientation wired up and it will control the toolchanger...
[17:34:54] <GammaX> basiclinuxcnc...
[17:35:07] <GammaX> i guess im just confused cause I didnt know it could be done...
[17:35:44] <Connor> PetefromTn: Or the Remap functions without Ladder. :)
[17:36:06] <PetefromTn> Connor: yes exactly just as soon as you figure out how for me LOL
[17:36:55] <PetefromTn> the 7i77 card has ability to use the sixth axis setup for spindle control. It has enable and 0-10v outputs to control the unit...
[17:37:21] <Connor> PetefromTn: Next steps are wiring in all those prox sensors.. and finding out more info on the Toolchanger motor.
[17:37:30] <GammaX> PetefromTn damn I forgot... i dont have mesa :(
[17:37:41] <PetefromTn> Well get some LOL...it rocks.
[17:37:54] <GammaX> I know... Had a 5i sumtin for servos back in the day
[17:37:58] <GammaX> step mom through it out
[17:38:05] <GammaX> along with the mill it was attached too! lol
[17:38:20] <PetefromTn> Connor: yeah man I will get that damn cover off the motor here soon and see what it is....Im curious myself...
[17:38:43] <Connor> PetefromTn: No time like the present. :) ROFL
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[17:41:51] <PetefromTn> I need to check out the motor setup because I THINK the plate it mounts to is screwed down with the same screws the cover uses and I don't want to misalign anything....Ill check into it here soon. Right now I need to design and machine an encoder mount for the spindle motor.
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[17:48:53] <GammaX> Ifound haldrivers for my sj200 but there made for emc... is there an easy way to convert them over from usiung the emc file structure to linuxcnc's file structure?
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[18:21:57] <ssi> GammaX: ?
[18:22:08] <ssi> GammaX: emc and linuxcnc are the same thing... it's just a rebranding
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[18:25:24] <PetefromTn> I honestly did not understand what he was asking....
[18:25:33] <GammaX> diff naming for foldrs and such
[18:26:21] <GammaX> ill show you example
[18:27:35] <GammaX> default: mbrtuport
[18:27:36] <GammaX> MODINC = /usr/share/emc/Makefile.modinc
[18:27:36] <GammaX> BINDIR = /usr/bin
[18:27:53] <GammaX> ifeq "$(MODINC)" ""
[18:27:53] <GammaX> $(error Required files for building components not present. Install emc2-dev)
[18:29:01] <PetefromTn> why the hell does everyone who buys a sportbike today that has been designed by the factory to have GREAT agility and handling setup feel the need to elongate the swingarm by a foot and make it look like it is dragging its ass around? I just dont get it. I mean yeah I know it helps with wheelies on the dragstrip but if you want a dragbike build a dragbike,
[18:29:48] <GammaX> PetefromTn had 2 buddies in nc do that.... Was funny watching him get stuck coming our of every gas station.
[18:30:23] <PetefromTn> I just don't get it... Having owned over a dozen different sportybikes over the years the best part was leaking into turns!!
[18:30:31] <PetefromTn> leaning ROFL.
[18:30:43] <GammaX> i liked straight aways on my cbr1krr
[18:31:00] <PetefromTn> so did I on my FZR1000....
[18:31:05] <GammaX> now I like leaning on m buell.
[18:32:22] <GammaX> had a buzzed accident a few days ago and im thinkin about making the foot pegs I messed up on my mill lol
[18:33:25] <generic_nick|2> ima put spinners on my gixxer
[18:33:34] <generic_nick|2> they spinnin!
[18:33:41] <GammaX> lol
[18:33:46] <PetefromTn> Oh please don't...
[18:34:05] <generic_nick|2> chrome the frame, swingarm, and wheels
[18:34:08] <PetefromTn> I used to dream of a CNC to make some sick lightweight rearsets...
[18:34:09] <GammaX> I gotta get up and go to shop, realy just waiting to see if my couplers be comin today
[18:34:20] <GammaX> gotta drill those bad boys out and mount em up!
[18:34:23] <generic_nick|2> PetefromTn: easier to buy them lol
[18:34:34] <GammaX> no more delron. no more teachers dirty looks!
[18:34:35] <PetefromTn> always...but not as fun.
[18:35:36] <PetefromTn> dunno why but this makes me smile...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-uDkOVkN-0
[18:35:36] <Tecan> (u-uDkOVkN-0) "sevenfifty cafe racer n7" by "tchango0" is "Autos" - Length: 0:01:16
[18:35:58] <GammaX> hot bike
[18:36:51] <PetefromTn> yeah baby... sounds mean too. Amazing it it just a CB750/nighthawk.
[18:39:05] <PetefromTn> this is sweet too...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4T47Wp4e54
[18:39:05] <Tecan> (P4T47Wp4e54) "YAMAHA XS850 CAFE RACER Umbau" by "schnoesen" is "Autos" - Length: 0:02:12
[18:39:22] <PetefromTn> Lotsa cool CNC bits to be made on a retro cafe build....
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[18:40:51] <GammaX> Ill be back in a bit gentleman..
[18:40:55] <DJ9DJ> re
[18:40:57] <GammaX> goin to the shop...
[18:41:50] <PetefromTn> enjoy man...
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[18:50:22] <generic_nick|2> what do you guys think of this to use with a disk with a bunch of slots machined in it as a spindle encoder? http://www.omron.com/ecb/products/pdf/en-ee_sx1096.pdf
[18:51:02] <generic_nick|2> only thing i dont see is a minimum voltage requirement. i was hoping it would run on 5v
[18:51:18] <generic_nick|2> it could be in there somewhere, but that stuff is all greek to me
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[18:57:00] <generic_nick|2> i dont see anything that would keep it from working but a second opinion would be cool.
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[19:10:39] <cpresser_> generic_nick|2: the datasheet says that the led about 1.2V; the maximum current for the LED is 50mA
[19:11:22] <generic_nick|2> the minimum voltage is 1.2v? or max?
[19:11:38] <cpresser_> the detector will work at 5V; see the 'light current cs. collector-emitter-voltage' plot
[19:12:12] <generic_nick|2> ahh
[19:12:36] <cpresser_> you need to design two circuits. one for the led, one for the detector
[19:12:57] <generic_nick|2> so i either need to step the v down to 1.5v or find one rated for more voltage
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[19:13:35] <cpresser_> the led-circuit is easy. use a resisitor: take 5V-1.2V = 3.8V@30mA = 126Ohms
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[19:14:29] <generic_nick|2> easy enough
[19:14:56] <generic_nick|2> thanks!
[19:15:07] <cpresser_> for the detector, you might need another circuit. because it also needs a load resisitor. see the small schematic
[19:15:14] <generic_nick|2> ah
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[19:16:53] <generic_nick|2> should be easy enough
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[19:55:43] <andypugh> generic_nick|2: You need an index too, don't forget that.
[19:56:02] <andypugh> And you could look for a quadrature device like http://docs-europe.electrocomponents.com/webdocs/0098/0900766b80098493.pdf
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[19:56:10] <andypugh> But you will still need an index.
[19:57:40] <JT-Shop> I keep losing X on my D525 with the ELO... any ideas what to look at?
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[20:05:37] <generic_nick|2> thanks andypugh
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[20:10:55] <generic_nick|2> andypugh: do you actually need a and b channels?
[20:11:14] <andypugh> It depends on what you want to do.
[20:11:16] <generic_nick|2> i would assume yes
[20:11:20] <generic_nick|2> rigid tap
[20:11:23] <andypugh> Yes
[20:11:40] <generic_nick|2> otherwise i guess it wouldnt know when it actually started reversing
[20:11:45] <andypugh> Without quadrature the spindle doesn't know which way it is turning.
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[20:13:23] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/cnc_wood_router_project_log/179914-lowcoast_computer-numeric-control_machine.html
[20:13:33] <r00t4rd3d> dudes got $70 bucks in his cnc machine .
[20:14:59] <andypugh> The joist-hanger spindle bracket is genius.
[20:15:22] <generic_nick|2> wonder if i could just drill a hole in the disk and use a prox sensor of the sorts
[20:16:20] <generic_nick|2> for the index
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[20:22:41] <JT-Shop> crap the BP head is out of tram again :(
[20:23:35] <generic_nick|2> andypugh: what do you think is good enough for counts per rev on a spindle for rigid tapping?
[20:24:09] <generic_nick|2> JT-Shop: quit climb milling with a lead screw! lol
[20:24:14] <L84Supper> anyone have suggestions on open hardware boards for Comedi to Linuxcnc for A/D. D/A and GPIO?
[20:24:25] <JT-Shop> it is full ball screws
[20:24:39] <JT-Shop> it was a 3 axis Anilam converstion mill
[20:24:42] <JT-Shop> was/is
[20:24:50] <andypugh> generic_nick|2: 50 slots should be OK.
[20:24:58] <JT-Shop> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMx-o_98X78&feature=youtu.be
[20:25:00] <Tecan> (KMx-o_98X78) "LinuxCNC Plasma with Mesa THC" by "John T" is "Tech" - Length: 0:00:48
[20:25:02] <generic_nick|2> ah
[20:25:05] <JT-Shop> sparks anyone
[20:25:06] <generic_nick|2> thanks andypugh
[20:26:54] <generic_nick|2> andypugh: i like that one you linked me, except for the lack of wires.
[20:29:13] <andypugh> Easy enough to solder wires to the pins.
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[20:33:14] <L84Supper> PCW: are any of your analog boards supported by Comedi?
[20:34:17] <L84Supper> hmmm, I see pascal source for the 4A20
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[20:34:47] <PCW> I think some people have written comedi drivers for some of our older cards
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[20:35:36] <L84Supper> PCW: http://www.comedi.org/hardware.html not on the list, I'll search the source
[20:35:45] <PCW> We really dont have any up to date analog I/O cards
[20:36:16] <PCW> just old PC/104 ones for existing customers
[20:36:40] <r00t4rd3d> pcw where is your guys shop ?
[20:36:57] <PCW> Cafilornia
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[20:39:32] <Aero-Tec> got a problem, have been working on it now for awhile
[20:40:21] <Aero-Tec> my windows box will not access some of the files on the lin box
[20:40:49] <r00t4rd3d> those files are probably made by root and you have not given access
[20:40:50] <L84Supper> I was just looking at what might be worth supporting for A/D
[20:41:27] <L84Supper> STM32 or other ARM cortex M3 or PIC
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[20:41:56] <DJ9DJ> re
[20:42:03] <r00t4rd3d> aero right click the files you can access and check the permissions
[20:42:08] <r00t4rd3d> cant**
[20:43:35] <r00t4rd3d> check the directory permissions also
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[20:44:54] <PCW> DSPICs have pretty decent A-Ds (up to 4 Ms/s at 10 bit 1 or so Ms/s at 12)
[20:45:24] <L84Supper> PCW: I was just thinking about those when i was out on a walk earlier
[20:46:14] <Loetmichel> re @ home
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[20:46:24] <r00t4rd3d> looking for your next victim ?
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[20:48:29] <L84Supper> whats a good linux supported A/D, D/A and GPIO system with either USB or ethernet back to the host
[20:49:06] <L84Supper> might have to make it vs buy
[20:49:39] <L84Supper> r00t4rd3d: they have traps for that now :)
[20:50:59] <L84Supper> http://sine.ni.com/nips/cds/view/p/lang/en/nid/14604 not too expensive but only 10kS/s
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[20:52:29] <L84Supper> http://sine.ni.com/nips/cds/view/p/lang/en/nid/14605 over 2x the price $279 each for 48kS/s
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[20:54:23] <Aero-Tec> sorry was called away
[20:54:38] <Aero-Tec> I have check dir and file perm
[20:54:53] <Aero-Tec> they were owned by root
[20:55:36] <Aero-Tec> changed owner, and perm on both dir and files, still can not get into them
[20:56:21] <L84Supper> http://www.dlpdesign.com/232pc-ds-v12.pdf PIC with FTDI USB interface for ~$30
[20:56:41] <Aero-Tec> did refresh/reload
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[20:56:51] <Aero-Tec> both lin and win
[20:56:56] <r00t4rd3d> allow for all
[20:57:04] <r00t4rd3d> read/write/execute
[20:57:07] <Aero-Tec> yes
[20:57:16] <r00t4rd3d> even the directory?
[20:57:21] <Aero-Tec> yes
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[20:57:30] <r00t4rd3d> is it a sub directory?
[20:57:38] <Aero-Tec> yes
[20:57:46] <r00t4rd3d> is the main directory open also?
[20:57:50] <Aero-Tec> sub of a share
[20:58:11] <Aero-Tec> not sure
[20:58:28] <Aero-Tec> when the share was set up the dir and files were root
[20:58:48] <r00t4rd3d> are you accessing them from the other computer as root
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[20:59:01] <Aero-Tec> should I stop the share and reshare with it now owned by me?
[20:59:07] <r00t4rd3d> using roots credentials
[20:59:30] <Aero-Tec> the win box access seems to be used other
[20:59:43] <Aero-Tec> user
[21:00:20] <r00t4rd3d> access the linux box from the windows box with roots credentials
[21:00:28] <Aero-Tec> not sure what the win box user is as far as the lin box
[21:00:45] <Aero-Tec> I am admin of the win box
[21:01:02] <Aero-Tec> how do I set up win box to look like root to lin box?
[21:01:20] <r00t4rd3d> its just a network share?
[21:01:28] <Aero-Tec> yes
[21:01:29] <L84Supper> PCW: what's the clock speed of the SPI on the 7i46?
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[21:01:34] <r00t4rd3d> or are you using a program
[21:01:46] <Aero-Tec> just win and lin
[21:01:59] <Aero-Tec> no programs that I know of
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[21:02:22] <r00t4rd3d> http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=148395.0
[21:02:43] <r00t4rd3d> "ROOT: sharing the drive over the network"
[21:03:06] <r00t4rd3d> use the samba gui to make sure all is right
[21:04:42] <r00t4rd3d> http://winscp.net/eng/index.php
[21:04:52] <L84Supper> PCW: never mind I see it's determined by the FPGA, 11MHz with the 6i25
[21:05:12] <r00t4rd3d> WinSCP is another easy way to access the linux box from windows
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[21:07:11] <ssi> JT-Shop: I want to use the thcud component with the LCTHC, yeah?
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[21:10:06] <L84Supper> http://www.adafruit.com/category/122 adafruit started selling some basic cnc parts
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[21:11:44] <ssi> openbeam is kinda lame
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[21:12:28] <ssi> the section looks very weak... it uses 3mm hardware, which is tiny, it only comes in 1 meter lenghts
[21:12:28] <L84Supper> I met the guy behind it, it was his first attempt at making a die for extrusions
[21:12:41] <ssi> the only upside is it doesn't require special nuts
[21:13:00] <L84Supper> he didn't know that aluminum extruders make them all the time
[21:13:02] <ssi> I'd much prefer an extrusion that uses 5mm or 8mm hardware that can use standard nuts
[21:13:57] <L84Supper> I asked him about his other profiles and he looked at me like I was from Mars :)
[21:14:01] <ssi> hahah
[21:15:25] <ssi> friend of mine wants to build a 2x4 or 4x4 router table, and likely out of extrusion
[21:15:35] <ssi> I'm thinking mcmaster's 1.5" hollow extrusion
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[21:16:30] <ssi> I'd like to do something similar but build a laser table
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[21:16:46] <ssi> my plan was to build the motion, and get a junky 40W chinese tube
[21:16:56] <ssi> get used to laser work, and risk blowing up or failing with a cheap tube
[21:16:58] <L84Supper> 80/20 holy tube
[21:17:06] <ssi> and if it goes well, buy a good 80W or 150W us made tube
[21:17:32] <ssi> L84Supper: is that 'HT series'?
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[21:17:49] <L84Supper> HT = Holey Tube
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[21:18:02] <ssi> why that over t-slot?
[21:18:21] <L84Supper> was that what you were thinking about?
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[21:18:29] <L84Supper> hollow extrusion?
[21:18:30] <ssi> nonono
[21:18:36] <ssi> http://www.mcmaster.com/#t-slotted-extrusions/=moglwp
[21:18:45] <ssi> in the bigger profiles, there's some partial hollow to it
[21:18:47] <ssi> saves weight and cost
[21:18:53] <ssi> not a ton of cost in the inch case
[21:18:56] <ssi> but a lot for the metric
[21:19:17] <L84Supper> yeah, 40mm and up
[21:19:20] <ssi> yea
[21:19:48] <ssi> I've built a bunch of stuff using the 20mm extrusion there
[21:19:50] <ssi> and from misumi
[21:19:57] <ssi> it's similar stuff, only real difference is the corner radius
[21:20:25] <ssi> the thing that sucks about the 20mm is the only place I've been able to find 5m t-nuts for it is misumi, and they're $15/100 in qty
[21:20:49] <ssi> 80/20 brand extrusion I've never used
[21:20:52] <ssi> but it always seemed expensive
[21:20:54] <L84Supper> China
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[21:21:49] <L84Supper> $15/100 isn't bad, Bosch charges ~$1 or more ea
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[21:22:54] <DJ9DJ> gn8
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[21:24:36] <L84Supper> http://www.digilentinc.com/Products/Detail.cfm?NavPath=2,892,1035&Prod=CHIPKIT-UC32 $35 , 12 analog in 48 GPIO
[21:24:53] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.ebay.com/itm/400423158659?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649
[21:25:05] <r00t4rd3d> i need 2 of those then i can start putting my new machine together
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[21:29:19] <L84Supper> we have a local 80/20 disti 10 minutes away, ugly but it works
[21:29:48] <ssi> I might feel better about it if I could get it locally
[21:29:59] <ssi> I need to figure out what fasteners work with the mcmaster inch extrusion
[21:30:16] <r00t4rd3d> i use carriage bolts
[21:30:30] <r00t4rd3d> on 15 series, 5/16-18
[21:31:14] <L84Supper> the fasteners is where they make the $
[21:31:18] <ssi> I need to get the plasma table going, then I can plasma cut connection plates
[21:31:21] <ssi> L84Supper: yea no kidding
[21:31:39] <r00t4rd3d> you can get them on ebay cheap
[21:32:11] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.ebay.com/sch/tnutz_com/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p3686
[21:32:30] <L84Supper> they justify the fastener cost by saving you time over welding or drilling, tapping and bolting
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[21:34:52] <ssi> 50pcs for $20 isn't exactly cheap :P
[21:36:13] <ssi> problem is they go fast
[21:36:30] <ssi> https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/577596_10100133843429202_1708616203_n.jpg
[21:36:34] <ssi> that machine has 100 tnuts in it
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[21:37:24] <ssi> gross, thcud component locked up my system
[21:37:25] <ssi> that's not happy
[21:39:07] <L84Supper> replace some of the t-slot with standard aluminum shapes
[21:39:24] <L84Supper> we only use t-slot where we really save time
[21:39:46] <ssi> yea building stuff out of angle and tubing really is cheaper
[21:39:53] <L84Supper> ssi: how many of those are you going to make?
[21:39:57] <ssi> two so far :P
[21:41:20] <L84Supper> looking at that design, what really has to be t-slot?
[21:41:28] <ssi> well nothing really HAS to be
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[21:41:30] <L84Supper> it's easy for a proto
[21:41:33] <ssi> the frame connectors were designed aroun dit
[21:41:42] <ssi> but yeah if I was gonna mass produce it, I'd do something differently
[21:41:56] <ssi> it's not a big deal, the fasteners are expensive, whatever
[21:42:02] <ssi> I guess the real problem is more the availability
[21:42:12] <ssi> I can get 20mm extrusion from mcmaster, but not the stamped Tnuts
[21:42:13] <L84Supper> I'm doing that now for SLA printers
[21:42:22] <ssi> I had to order them from misumi, and it takes two weeks to get anytihng from them
[21:42:26] <ssi> I hate waiting :)
[21:44:34] <JT-Shop> ssi: what kind of THC control do you have again?
[21:45:23] <ssi> LCTHC
[21:45:26] <ssi> it outputs an up/down
[21:45:56] <JT-Shop> yea you want the thcud component
[21:46:08] <ssi> I downloaded it from your site, did a comp --install
[21:46:15] <ssi> then halrun, loadrt thcud
[21:46:18] <ssi> and it locked up my machine
[21:46:18] <ssi> heh
[21:46:22] <ssi> I have to go downstairs and reset it
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[21:58:59] <JT-Shop> I think you have to do sudo comp --install
[21:59:43] <JT-Shop> bbl
[21:59:58] <ssi> i did
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[22:00:33] <ssi> firefox on linux is still kind of a piece of garbage, huh
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[22:07:41] <generic_nick|2> gotta love simple green, a garden hose, and a weed killer sprayer attachment for the hose to clean the shop.
[22:08:01] <generic_nick|2> hot water too. barely any scrubbing needed
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[22:09:20] <generic_nick|2> has anyone just tried regular rustoleum for painting shop floors? the epoxy junk didnt hold up at all.
[22:09:45] <generic_nick|2> i dont mind having to redo it once in a while, but the epoxy is a bit expensive
[22:10:08] <ssi> well dammit
[22:10:16] <ssi> LCTHC main display board won't come on
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[22:10:42] <L84Supper> rustoleum takes forever to dry
[22:10:54] <L84Supper> solvent enamel
[22:11:04] <PCW> Needs baking
[22:11:44] <L84Supper> it's mostly the prep work that gets coatings to adhere well
[22:12:13] <generic_nick|2> i prepped it well
[22:12:34] <generic_nick|2> the concrete was also pretty clean to begin with, no oil stains
[22:12:34] <L84Supper> what happened to the epoxy?
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[22:15:12] <generic_nick|2> came off
[22:15:36] <generic_nick|2> coolant is hard on it, so is heavy equipment and metal chips
[22:18:23] <andypugh> JT-Shop: I made the persistent HAL-to-Gcode thing work. It's really cool.
[22:19:38] <ssi> andypugh: hey you were advocating the inventor fusion thing, right?
[22:20:15] <andypugh> I was saying that it is pretty slick, and would be great if you are not set in a different trut :-)
[22:20:32] <andypugh> I am, and rather miss the _rest_ of Inventor.
[22:21:04] <ssi> so we gave it a shot
[22:21:11] <ssi> and couldn't figure out how to do a dimensioned drawing in it
[22:21:15] <ssi> only export options seem to be stl and iges
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[22:34:28] <generic_nick|2> ha, pushing my mill across the garage with my jeep worked great
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[22:35:47] <generic_nick|2> now i got room for my hnc on that side of the garage, and my bench can go on the other side. i think i can get my jeep in there now if need be.
[22:36:05] <ssi> :D
[22:38:15] <generic_nick|2> i couldnt pull the mill with my van so i guess that's saying something
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[22:49:58] <andypugh> ssi: I am pretty sure it can't do dimensioned drawings.
[22:50:19] <ssi> that's unfortunate
[22:50:39] <andypugh> You can model things to pass to CAM, but not to pass to machinists.
[22:51:47] <andypugh> It's intended as a tool so that your Creative Types can tweak designs to pass back to the Engineers who have real Inventor.
[22:52:04] <andypugh> But, as I said, for Free it's worth having.
[22:54:04] <Tom_itx> what's this hal to gcode thing about?
[22:54:29] <ssi> does real inventor have an osx version too?
[22:55:11] <andypugh> ssi: Sadly not.
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[22:57:24] <andypugh> Tom_itx: Some dude wanted to do something strange with LinuxCNC. He currently uses persistent numbered G-code parameters to store values between runs/days. He was disappointed to find that a LinuxCNC GUI can't directly manipulate the G-code numbered parameters.
[22:57:58] <andypugh> But I realised that in LinuxCNC the GUI parameters can be persistent, and that G-code can read _those_ directly.
[22:58:13] <Tom_itx> huh
[22:58:20] <Tom_itx> wonder what he was trying to do
[22:58:40] <andypugh> Run an alumnium foundry :-)
[22:59:16] <Tom_itx> you pour aluminum don't you?
[22:59:44] <Tom_itx> i thought you made a couple covers or something...
[22:59:51] <Tom_itx> maybe it was somebody else
[22:59:57] <andypugh> I am more interested to find that G-code routines can read numbers out of GUI boxes without any HAL magic.
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[23:00:11] <Tom_itx> yeah
[23:00:27] <andypugh> No, I haven't done any home casting, except for some lead glazing bars.
[23:02:36] <Tom_itx> what was your foam mold for?
[23:03:04] <andypugh> That's a conventional pattern to pass on to a commercial iron founders.
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[23:08:30] <andypugh> I have been thinking about setting up tabs for individual lathe operations, with an explanatory diagram. I was put off by the complexity of passing the values in to G-code with M66 and friends. I now realise that that is not necessary, as in master I can use G76 P #<_hal[gladevcp.thread_pitch]> and the G-code can read the value straight from the panel,
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[23:11:29] <generic_nick|2> nice andypugh
[23:11:50] <generic_nick|2> if i didnt just use mine for production, i'd consider doing that
[23:11:57] <andypugh> It does open up a lot of possibilities.
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[23:17:27] <ssi> so sheetcam for plasma still, eh
[23:17:29] <ssi> that's depressing
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[23:18:50] <LokiScarlet> Yo
[23:19:01] <andypugh> Why is SheetCAM depressing?
[23:19:04] <andypugh> Hi
[23:20:02] <ssi> windows is depressing
[23:20:16] <andypugh> So use the Linux version?
[23:20:29] <ssi> I guess I can throw a display
[23:20:34] <ssi> I haven't tried the linux version
[23:20:39] <generic_nick|2> depressing?
[23:20:45] <andypugh> PyCAM is meant to be able to do Plasma, and that is meant to run on a Mac too.
[23:20:51] <generic_nick|2> am i the only one who doesnt have issues with windows? lol
[23:20:56] <ssi> generic_nick|2: must be
[23:21:55] <generic_nick|2> i only do normal stuff on it though. email, interwebs, and maybe some cad/cam
[23:22:00] <r00t4rd3d> i would rather use windows then ubuntu any day of my life
[23:22:05] <LokiScarlet> Uh... I'm completely new to CNC equipment, and I'm trying to figure out if this machine they have at work will work with LinuxCNC... It's a FlexMate from the good ol DOS days
[23:22:18] <LokiScarlet> Or.. The boards are FlexMate
[23:22:19] <generic_nick|2> yea i was going to say, ive had more issues with ubuntu...
[23:22:29] <ssi> I don't use ubuntu as a desktop either
[23:22:39] <ssi> I use it to run CNC machines, and we use it for servers at work
[23:22:43] <ssi> it's fine for both
[23:22:53] <generic_nick|2> i tried linux, it just doesnt work with netflix so it's useless
[23:23:04] <r00t4rd3d> lol
[23:23:06] <generic_nick|2> or any other program i want to use for that matter
[23:23:07] <LokiScarlet> >doesn't work with netflix
[23:23:09] <LokiScarlet> That's what you think
[23:23:44] <generic_nick|2> LokiScarlet: did they find a hack for it yet?
[23:24:18] <ssi> chap
[23:24:20] <ssi> crap evens
[23:24:21] <LokiScarlet> There's always a way. If nothing else, there's the web interface
[23:24:30] <ssi> sheetcam on linux runs, but then aborts with an error and won't tell me what it is
[23:24:51] <generic_nick|2> but i can just use windows and it works without finding a way lol
[23:24:53] <LokiScarlet> ssi: Tried /var/log/sheetcam or something like that?
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[23:25:16] <LokiScarlet> generic_nick|2: Or you can do what I'm about to do and wipe everyhing with NetBSD
[23:25:52] <ssi> that'd be way too easy :P
[23:25:59] <ssi> there is some stuff in /var/log/messages though, let's see
[23:27:12] <ssi> no, nothing useful
[23:27:15] <ssi> this is the error: We are very sorry but SheetCamTNG-dev has encountered an internal error. It would be very helpful if you could send a debug report so we can try to find out what went wrong
[23:27:20] <ssi> SUPER helpful
[23:27:44] <andypugh> If you re-start it is there are send-error-report option?
[23:27:52] <ssi> yeah I sent an error report
[23:28:00] <ssi> although that threw an error too
[23:29:08] <andypugh> Les is generally pretty responsive.
[23:29:13] <ssi> I think it failed to create the support.zip file
[23:29:23] <ssi> maybe I'll try to contact him directly
[23:29:31] <ssi> I did actually pay for a copy of the license once upon a time
[23:29:36] <ssi> (for windows... I hope it transfers)
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[23:30:29] <LokiScarlet> hmm... Does it run from an init.d script/
[23:30:30] <LokiScarlet> ?
[23:30:53] <ssi> no
[23:31:02] <nathanstenzel> anyone here use both a cnc mill and a 3d printer?
[23:31:26] <LokiScarlet> What do you run to run the program?
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[23:32:00] <LokiScarlet> Like, filename if it's in your bin path, full path if it's somewhere else
[23:32:47] <ssi> nathanstenzel: yea lots of people
[23:33:03] <ssi> LokiScarlet: there's a run_sheetcam script
[23:33:15] <ssi> just sets LD_LIBRARY_PATH
[23:33:23] <nathanstenzel> I ask because I was wondering if the programs for manipulating the gcode and doing the slicing and such is all that different
[23:33:30] <ssi> nathanstenzel: yeah somewhat
[23:33:39] <andypugh> Night folks
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[23:39:07] <nathanstenzel> can you use slicer and repetier for cnc milling too?
[23:42:05] <Tom_itx> that might be better asked in #reprap
[23:43:41] <nathanstenzel> hmmm....is this channel for software called "linuxcnc" or is it for cnc milling on linux?
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[23:44:09] <r00t4rd3d> bot
[23:44:10] <Tom_itx> yes
[23:44:10] <r00t4rd3d> h
[23:44:48] <nathanstenzel> so it is for linuxcnc software as opposed to repetier and slicer?
[23:45:09] <Tom_itx> yes
[23:45:21] <Tom_itx> thus the channel name
[23:45:33] <nathanstenzel> ah. I guess you are right then. I misunderstood that whole website
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[23:47:17] <nathanstenzel> well, I guess I will ask this question instead then. can you use linuxcnc to do 3d printing?
[23:47:30] <Tom_itx> some have tried
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[23:48:44] <nathanstenzel> so, I take it they did not have much success?
[23:48:50] <Tom_itx> no idea
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[23:50:00] <nathanstenzel> anyone know if linuxcnc has been used for soldering, PCB etching/milling or pick and place?
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[23:53:09] <r00t4rd3d> pcb milling i am sure
[23:53:29] <PCW> Solder paste dispensing and pick and place as well
[23:53:53] <mercuryrising__> I'm having a lot of trouble getting stability back in linuxcnc (took me about a week to get the computer back up and running, so many errors) - but I'm getting closer! I can start a job now, but the computer will freeze (no error reported) or linuxcnc will break (with this error) - http://pastebin.com/myURPLyA
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[23:54:14] <mercuryrising__> nathanstenzel, Yes you can, I have one that was working great until my computer decided to stop working last week
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[23:55:24] <nathanstenzel> it seems that CNC machines are more flexible than the printers. The printers do not seem to use swapable tools as often
[23:56:52] <nathanstenzel> any idea if rostock max can be used for CNC milling? It is a delta type 3d printer based on pick and place machines
[23:57:33] <nathanstenzel> it seems really fast for a pick and place machine. it is a pitty that 3d printing is so slow. probably milling would be just as slow on it.
[23:57:54] <mercuryrising__> not sure, might want to check with reprap, they probably have more experience with this stuff
[23:58:22] <PCW> machine check event sounds like your computer is dying...
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[23:58:59] <mercuryrising__> how so? when do they kick in?
[23:59:55] <PCW> take a look at your kernel log