#linuxcnc | Logs for 2013-03-02

[00:01:31] <andypugh> Interesting fact (possibly only to me). Formica is a contraction of "Formable Mica" and has no connection to the latin name for ants, or to formic acid, at all. It was originally created as an alectrical insulation, and only later became a worktop (etc) material.
[00:02:00] <tjtr33> find it under big old transistors ( or rocks )
[00:02:49] <andypugh> Formic acid and Ants (formica) and the hillariously-missheard word "formication" are all related though.
[00:03:33] <L84Supper> spoken like a true formicator
[00:03:47] <tjtr33> under control of the king
[00:05:37] <L84Supper> you could mix carbon black with a resin to make your own thermal gad pads
[00:06:09] <andypugh> something non-conducting might be wiser
[00:07:11] <L84Supper> it is, you just need the proper carbon black
[00:07:30] <andypugh> Nan-diamond?
[00:07:37] <andypugh> (Nano)
[00:08:10] <L84Supper> carbon blacks are cheap, few $/lb
[00:08:26] <andypugh> Actually, dimond dust would be ideal, as it has a very high thermal conductivity. Especially isotopically pure C14 diamond.
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[00:08:54] <L84Supper> just higher priced
[00:09:06] <r00t4rd3d> british port http://i.imgur.com/hZVSbcm.gif
[00:09:18] <r00t4rd3d> err porn
[00:10:44] <andypugh> I prefer Port
[00:10:54] <tjtr33> pour-n
[00:11:58] <L84Supper> we use carbon blacks in polymers to make them more thermally conductive than aluminum without being electrically conductive
[00:14:36] <andypugh> I tried it for this: http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2FBF00275452?LI=true but decided that TiO2 was better (and nicer)
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[00:38:34] <Tom_itx> andypugh, how'd it all turn out?
[00:38:41] <andypugh> Grand
[00:39:03] <andypugh> Did you see the picasaweb link?
[00:39:23] <andypugh> https://plus.google.com/photos/108164504656404380542/albums/5849768999973574065?banner=pwa
[00:39:23] <andypugh> [10:33pm]
[00:39:29] <Tom_itx> the one you keep adding to yes
[00:39:42] <andypugh> Last two pics are the new lid
[00:40:04] <Tom_itx> did the halves fit ok?
[00:40:35] <andypugh> I manually tweaked the inner shape. I think I under-pushed the outer.
[00:41:07] <Tom_itx> looks good from here
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[00:42:23] <andypugh> Aye. The next one would be better, but I hope not to do a next one.
[00:43:05] <andypugh> It's lot stronger than the previous one.
[00:43:25] <PCW> Looks good but too shiny!
[00:43:37] <Tom_itx> yeah you need to tarnish it now
[00:43:50] <andypugh> Given that on a 200-person dinner it is placed and removed 400 times, by drunkards, it has a hard life.
[00:44:32] <Tom_itx> i may try a tap cycle with that template some time if i could get you to shove it into some wood or something
[00:44:43] <Tom_itx> just to see if it works ok
[00:45:16] <Tom_itx> i'm in no hurry to try it though
[00:45:27] <andypugh> Yeah. should be OK. I have some unbreakable taps (7/8 BSP)
[00:46:26] <Tom_itx> it has a groove cycle but i haven't set it up yet
[00:49:53] <andypugh> The pot ritual is that the chap to your right attracts your attention, and bows. he passes the pot, you bow, he takes the lid. You drink. you bow, he replaces the lid. you bow to your left, he takes the pot, you take the lid...
[00:50:53] <andypugh> This would be classed as "binge drinking" except we wear dinner-jackets :-)
[00:51:00] <Tom_itx> confusing
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[00:53:05] <Tom_itx> must be getting used tomorrow then
[00:53:15] <andypugh> I think it is meant to be. if you get it wrong, you have to drink more :-)
[00:53:23] <Tom_itx> haha
[00:53:45] <andypugh> Yes, tomorrow evening. I wasn't actually going to attend, but I might have to now.
[00:54:56] <andypugh> Right, time to sleep in the hope of waking up without this annoying cough.,,
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[01:16:35] <uw> there we are
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[02:01:18] <ReadError> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQ3Lisz1PMc
[02:01:23] <ReadError> little video i just made of my new machine
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[02:04:59] <jdh> who is chris h?
[02:05:18] <ReadError> oh some troll
[02:05:57] <jdh> what's the material?
[02:06:00] <ReadError> g10
[02:06:13] <ReadError> i have some waste since i didnt rotate my gcode but im good now
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[04:37:48] <Tecan> a bop bop a lubop a lop bam boo ?
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[05:29:20] <R2E4_> Did the install ask me for root password?
[05:29:34] <R2E4_> I don remember and I need root access....:-)
[05:31:04] <R2E4_> I cant gain access via su -
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[05:37:04] <ds3> found a ready to go D525 box for $200...hopefully, it will really be as good of a drop in as people hinted
[05:37:42] <Connor> should be.
[05:37:47] <Connor> what make is the D525 box ?
[05:38:15] <R2E4_> got it.
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[06:01:39] <r00t4rd3d> http://defensedistributed.com/
[06:02:19] <r00t4rd3d> 3d printed gun that shoots 600 rounds per minute
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[06:05:44] <R2E4_> I justinstalled my 5i25 card and computer video doesn't come up. Remove it and computer boots fine.
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[06:05:57] <R2E4_> two red lights flash on 5i25
[06:09:17] <r00t4rd3d> red = fault
[06:13:04] <R2E4_> yeah.. I'm sure its not good news.
[06:13:20] <R2E4_> It stops the computer also a few seconds after
[06:13:29] <r00t4rd3d> how are they powered?
[06:14:14] <r00t4rd3d> you need to talk to andy or pcw_home
[06:17:33] <R2E4_> how is what powered?
[06:21:43] <r00t4rd3d> nvm
[06:24:36] <R2E4_> I just plugged the 5i25 in pci slot and computer video doesnt come on.
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[06:29:31] <r00t4rd3d> old computer?
[06:31:46] <R2E4_> not too old. I just put it in an ibm and the computer booted. suspect it is the computer.
[06:32:30] <R2E4_> problem is it ios an IBM and the SMI issue causing big latency shows upo.
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[06:40:52] <r00t4rd3d> time for a new motherboard
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[07:45:34] <DJ9DJ> moin
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[09:17:23] <mrsun> hmm now i need to make a tool holder for the radius tuner ... hmm
[09:18:17] <mrsun> hmm roundstock maybe
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[09:40:39] <Tecan> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMbI1O-xc40
[09:53:38] <bedah> i got an elder stepperdriverboard, with nearly no documentation, where could i find more information about "whiteAnt Electronics", only thing i found was this: http://buildyourcnc.com/whiteant3dprinterandcncmachine.aspx
[09:59:34] <archivist> bedah, sometimes just getting the chip data sheet is all you need
[10:03:17] <bedah> oh already got that, but maybe i could find some more information
[10:06:05] <bedah> most probably i will have to rebuilt the whole code for the arduino mega, or i will have to adapt some other firmware
[10:06:10] <bedah> dunno, i will see
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[10:59:46] <Loetmichel> mornin'
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[13:52:06] <andypugh> Some encoder-like things that I saw on eBay turned up today. I have no idea what they really are but they were made by Librascope in 1963. They are called "shaft to digital encoder" and have lots of pins on the bottom. C, 0, /1, 2, /2, 3, /3, ...... 13, /13. I think that they might have been used as the interface between a mechanical integrator and a digital stage.
[13:53:02] <skunkworks> pictures?
[13:53:17] <andypugh> The manufacturer was Librascope, a division of General Precision. and that might be ringing bells with some of you, that was the mnufacturer of the LGP-30 immortalised in the story of "Mel the Programmer"
[13:54:33] <andypugh> skunkworks: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/330859627467
[13:54:51] <andypugh> Same vintage as your machine, I guess?
[13:55:55] <andypugh> 28 pins on the bottom.
[13:57:29] <skunkworks> wow - no. the K&T had resolvers
[13:57:59] <skunkworks> the 70's vintage lathe had some sort of optical encoder for spindle sync
[13:59:37] <archivist> gray code optical?
[14:00:54] <andypugh> I have no idea.
[14:02:48] <andypugh> I get the feeling that they are so old that the internet has never heard of them.
[14:03:47] <archivist> spose you want me to lift Handbook of transducers for electronic measuring systems circa 1969 ...in box016....not seen that for a while
[14:03:55] <andypugh> Apprently the programmin manual for the LGP-30 was typewritten. As in, typed in full as required.
[14:04:30] <archivist> some of the manuals I have are typed
[14:04:46] <archivist> with real photographs
[14:06:52] <andypugh> My Thesis has real photographs. Even in 1993 digital imaging hadn't really caught on.
[14:08:11] <L84Supper> what features would be most helpful for a vision interface to EMC? edge detection, orientation, optical measurement etc etc?
[14:10:02] <archivist> all of the above
[14:10:16] <andypugh> Fiducial mark alignemt
[14:10:31] <andypugh> I think that some people have made some progress with it.
[14:10:50] <andypugh> Bit nothing has made it into the mainstream.
[14:11:14] <archivist> http://www.archivist.info/cnc/cnccam.html
[14:11:39] <L84Supper> we have to work on something similar to this anyway for a project, so I'd like to see it made useful for general use
[14:11:41] <archivist> that needs to be centred properly
[14:12:02] <skunkworks> that would be cool.
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[14:13:31] <L84Supper> we saw this http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Axis_Embed_Video and http://psha.org.ru/b/camview-emc.html
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[14:17:07] <L84Supper> we need to have the vision system orient the part, and search for certain features and then coordinate a tool to perform work in that feature
[14:18:03] <archivist> andypugh, ok that book does not mention that maker
[14:19:25] <archivist> andypugh, some in this book are contact type so try a dvm on resistance across a pair
[14:20:31] <archivist> at that age the contact type is more likely especially with that many connections
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[14:26:29] <andypugh> It sounds like mechanical contacs. I suspect it is intended for hand operation.
[14:26:46] <archivist> andypugh, or dvm to the C (common) and one of the many other contacts
[14:27:33] <andypugh> C to 0 beeps cyclically. I have not found any other contacts.
[14:27:37] <archivist> they mention a common in this book and the one of the companies id Litton, same first two characters
[14:27:52] <andypugh> Though I guess it could be multi-turn
[14:28:44] <andypugh> I think they will be going into the back of a cupboard as a warning not to drink and eBay..
[14:28:51] <archivist> hehe
[14:29:47] <archivist> I dont think I can blame drink for my odd stuff
[14:31:59] <andypugh> I can't help wondeirng if somewhere out there there is somebody needing these parts to finish his targetting computer restoration, or similar.
[14:32:32] <archivist> or aircraft restoration
[14:32:50] <andypugh> Indeed. Though I am not sure what they would do in an aircraft.
[14:33:44] <archivist> I have some odd stuff on a website and a few times a year I get rid of something when the buyers search for a rare part number
[14:34:30] <andypugh> That might be a reasonable idea. "Old stuff I have going spare"
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[14:35:07] <archivist> best was a filter to a man in Inverness for his milling machine
[14:35:49] <archivist> I delivered it, because at the same time I got a cnc lathe...from him off ebay
[14:36:25] <andypugh> A curious coincidence
[14:36:49] <archivist> exceeeeeedingly
[14:37:39] <archivist> he realised my email address on the part number site was similar to my ebay handle
[14:41:56] <skunkworks> how about this. I was trying to call my girlfriend. A guy answers and said 'Hi sam' after a bit of WTF - I had dialed a distant cousin. (I didn't know his number)
[14:42:40] <Jymmm> you're dating your cousin?!
[14:42:49] <skunkworks> heh
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[14:50:29] <skunkworks> JT-Shop: jthornton: http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/bridgeport-hardinge-mills-lathes/1991-bridgeport-discovery-308-rebuild-retrofit-244122/
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[15:01:34] <JT-Shop> sweet, thanks Sam
[15:02:42] <skunkworks> JT-Shop: is yours a 308?
[15:02:52] <JT-Shop> yep
[15:03:02] <skunkworks> wow - that is a nice looking cnc
[15:03:08] <skunkworks> (guts wise)
[15:03:43] <Tom_itx> 8 tool changer?
[15:03:49] <JT-Shop> aye
[15:04:07] <JT-Shop> slowest tool changer in the west or east or...
[15:04:25] <Tom_itx> how old is it?
[15:06:26] <JT-Shop> 20
[15:09:42] <skunkworks> JT-Shop: did you end up fixing it? (the tool changer)
[15:10:11] <JT-Shop> yes, it was a relay stuck closed on the tool changer board
[15:10:27] <JT-Shop> I had to remove the old one, solder on the new one and it's back to working
[15:10:48] <skunkworks> nice
[15:14:31] <andypugh> What's CNC11?
[15:20:23] <Tom_itx> ajax cnc?
[15:20:26] <Jymmm> Isn't that like a sherline?
[15:22:02] <Tom_itx> http://www.ajaxcnc.com/ajax-cnc-software-downloads/
[15:22:13] <andypugh> It seems to be Centroid.
[15:22:35] <Tom_itx> that's what it says
[15:23:25] <Tom_itx> mach3/centroid
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[15:33:13] <skunkworks> yeck
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[15:35:23] <L84Supper> http://tinyurl.com/b3y9j88 a bit OT, but in searching for an ATM the other day I came across this, it's not a bank and had 16ft iron fence around it with no marking for what the place actually is
[15:35:50] <L84Supper> guard house and they got really nervous when i walked up and asked where the ATM was
[15:37:42] <L84Supper> there must be some website that lists discovered secret sites or shares info
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[15:38:10] <andypugh> The place I work at has an ATM inside it. That is probably what is being shown.
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[15:38:56] <L84Supper> whats odd was no sign, a guard shack, iron security fences, and the ground is built up around it like a bunker
[15:39:24] <andypugh> L84Supper: http://farm1.staticflickr.com/132/321262337_54fd36c8e5_z.jpg
[15:39:41] <L84Supper> lol
[15:39:43] <Jymmm> L84Supper: You expected signs that say "SUPER SECRET MILITARY RESEARCH FACILITY" ???
[15:40:08] <archivist> I did have to visit one and deliver....when it was secret
[15:40:27] <L84Supper> nah, just wondering what it was since it's 500' from residential
[15:40:31] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: some sign: "nothing to see here, walk on!" would be nice ;-)
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[15:40:54] <L84Supper> the guards were really nervous when I walked up
[15:42:25] <Jymmm> Eh, unless you were looking down the barre of an M16 (been there, done that, same scenario), aint no thing =)
[15:43:27] <Jymmm> And I HAD permission, just didn't know I crossed boundary lines
[15:43:51] <Loetmichel> ... because therter were none painted on?
[15:43:54] <Loetmichel> there
[15:44:15] <Jymmm> No signs, 4ft tall weeds, the rest was abandoned
[15:48:18] <L84Supper> if you search for HSBC in the us on Google you'll get several places like this as a bank location, probably just secret Chinese spy HQ locations :)
[15:51:00] <L84Supper> http://wikimapia.org/13128791/HSBC-Volo-Data-Center hehe close
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[16:03:57] <pcw_home> does look like a big data center with all the fancy cooling stuff on the north side
[16:06:33] <Jymmm> Heh, you should see the Visa DC's, those are guarded very heavily
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[16:07:11] <Jymmm> and not just by armed rent a cops either.
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[16:12:41] <L84Supper> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2Cxmha3h6c did they have these?
[16:13:26] <Jymmm> Nah, just M16's
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[18:11:09] <IchGuckLive> hi
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[18:24:28] <R2E4_> yuk...... recompile..... damn
[18:24:53] <R2E4_> or get another com[puter
[18:25:07] <R2E4_> IBM SMI issues
[18:27:14] <IchGuckLive> smi is easy
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[18:31:08] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.amazon.com/Richard-Kell-Solid-Dovetail-Marker/dp/B004ST239K
[18:31:14] <r00t4rd3d> someone mill me that plz :)
[18:32:58] <ReadError> you see my router vid r00t4rd3d?
[18:33:34] <ReadError> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQ3Lisz1PMc
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[18:37:54] <R2E4_> IchGuckLive: easy you say?
[18:38:14] <R2E4_> Icould use existing binary.
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[19:03:22] <R2E4_> I got an AMD64, will try that.
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[19:49:21] <r00t4rd3d> nice
[19:49:29] <r00t4rd3d> copy me that dust show
[19:49:33] <r00t4rd3d> shoe
[19:51:20] <ReadError> where i got it?
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[20:02:59] <tjtr33> L84Supper, the good small German trunnions got bought out by Hman, still great stuff http://jauchschmider.com/default.aspx
[20:03:40] <tjtr33> L84Supper, and MMK ( and Sam the US rep) is now here in Prospect Hts
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[20:04:16] <tjtr33> L84Supper, you can see the JS at the mits showroom in EGV if you like
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[20:24:08] <L84Supper> tjtr33: the lead times are so long that we will end up making much of the stage in house
[20:25:29] <tjtr33> the arc sec precision and the 7+ inch radius make it tough, you got a bunch of good old toolmakers?
[20:25:32] <tjtr33> ;)
[20:26:22] <L84Supper> heh, plenty for hire and they prefer to use manual mills and lathes :)
[20:26:45] <L84Supper> and hand lap everything to 1um :)
[20:27:00] <tjtr33> thats what built NASA
[20:27:22] <tjtr33> l8r, good to talk
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[20:59:13] <R2E4_> how do I make a 5i22 config into a 5i25?
[21:00:52] <micges> R2E4_: explain
[21:02:24] <Jymmm> + 3 ?
[21:03:17] <R2E4_> I selected 5i22 in config selector because there is no 5i25.
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[21:05:56] <cradek> are you talking about pncconf?
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[21:07:24] <cradek> http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/39-pncconf/21670-5i25-firmware-xml-files-for-pncconf
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[21:11:30] <R2E4_> linux config selector
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[21:22:08] <pcw_home> I wouls take this sample file set: freeby.mesanet.com/7i77.zip
[21:22:10] <pcw_home> and unzip it in ~/linuxcnc/configs/hm2-servo
[21:22:13] <pcw_home> would
[21:22:54] <mhaberler> that config works fine, it should go in
[21:23:02] <pcw_home> Then you should have a 5i25-7i77 example in your selector
[21:24:08] <pcw_home> its just the hm2-servo example hal/ini with only the required changes
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[21:26:54] <pcw_home> (linuxCNC selector not pncconf)
[21:27:48] <cradek> new sample configs for new hardware are always welcome in point releases
[21:27:58] <cradek> now is your chance
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[21:32:10] <pcw_home> that one and the 7I76 one should definitely go in
[21:33:02] <pcw_home> not sure about all my autogenerated 5i25 xml files dont know if pncconf likes them
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[22:04:57] <DJ9DJ> gn8
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[23:09:03] <andypugh> Ooh, I wonder what I have done there? I accidentally typed "cd '/" instead of "cd ~/" and I am now in a funny command promt ( >) and nothing works...
[23:10:07] <andypugh> Ah, I think I see what it was, it was waiting for a closing '
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[23:20:11] <mrsun> https://plus.google.com/photos/112857503660532884288/albums/5845629767575099665 my little creation! =)
[23:20:33] <ReadError> so my ghetto clamp came loose
[23:20:46] <ReadError> luckily i noticed it fast i thought there was something major wrong
[23:20:47] <ReadError> heh
[23:20:59] <andypugh> Ball-turning jig?
[23:21:18] <mrsun> yes
[23:21:19] <andypugh> Isn't that what CNC is for? :-)
[23:21:22] <mrsun> haha
[23:21:25] <mrsun> do not have cnc lathe
[23:21:39] <andypugh> Lathes are easy to convert.
[23:21:46] <andypugh> Well, the Z axes are.
[23:21:52] <mrsun> well do not want to convert this old lathe =)
[23:21:54] <andypugh> The X axes can be rather tricky.
[23:23:15] <andypugh> There is a lot tobe said for swapping the changewheels for a gear-tooth sensor, a stepper motor and a micro (Arduino, for example)
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[23:25:49] <mrsun> only thing left to do on this one is fixerup on the tool holder, and oilgroves for the dovetails and sliding surfaces =)
[23:26:09] <mrsun> and maybe a chamfer on the bottom side of the burning thingie :P
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[23:34:10] <cradek> pcw_home: have you figured out anything about sample configs or xml files? I would like to get started soon.
[23:40:05] <Tom_itx> build one
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