#linuxcnc | Logs for 2013-02-18

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[00:01:13] <Jymmm> chopping wood with machete not fun =)
[00:02:00] <Tom_itx> better than chopping fingers
[00:02:15] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: what did you want earlier?
[00:02:30] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, are you familiar with andy's lathe setup?
[00:02:38] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: i dont think that would be fun either
[00:02:48] <Tom_itx> i was gonna see if you could load on of these files to see if it was oriented right
[00:03:02] <JT-Shop> no, not really... but I think it is std lathe
[00:03:08] <JT-Shop> ok
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[00:03:15] <Tom_itx> they're either ok or 180 deg out
[00:03:21] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: unless you wanted finger sandwiches for lunch
[00:03:28] <Tom_itx> our tooling came in from the backside
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[00:05:35] <Tom_itx> one tick.. gotta fix a server issue
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[00:07:34] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, try loading one of these if you don't mind: http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/emc/andyp/
[00:08:04] <Tom_itx> they loaded ok on my sim
[00:08:16] <JT-Shop> ok, give me a few minutes
[00:08:26] <Tom_itx> if they do, i have a lathe cam working if you ever need it
[00:09:19] <Tom_itx> those are metric btw
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[00:16:55] <gene__> Looks like a reinstall disaster. No grub, whats magic key to get grub?
[00:17:18] <JT-Shop> innerprofile needs a start point, it just cut through the middle of the part to get to the first path
[00:17:33] <Tom_itx> on a rapid?
[00:17:49] <gene__> Its trying the xenomai kernel, and failing to mount roor fs.
[00:17:50] <JT-Shop> yea
[00:17:54] <Tom_itx> i wondered about the return path, i haven't dealt with that on a lathe yet
[00:17:56] <JT-Shop> after the tool chane
[00:18:32] <Tom_itx> what if i split the X and Z on separate lines?
[00:18:33] <JT-Shop> looks strange going from the middle to the outside too
[00:18:43] <Tom_itx> middle to outside?
[00:18:55] <Tom_itx> it must be backward then
[00:19:00] <Tom_itx> that's what i was wondering
[00:19:07] <Tom_itx> it's not that way in the cam
[00:19:12] <JT-Shop> is it back tooling?
[00:19:28] <Tom_itx> which file did you load?
[00:19:35] <Tom_itx> i can post more after i fix it
[00:19:50] <JT-Shop> innerprofile
[00:19:54] <Tom_itx> ok
[00:20:04] <JT-Shop> I assumed it was cutting the center out
[00:20:07] <Tom_itx> so it's starting in the center?
[00:20:08] <Tom_itx> no
[00:20:14] <Tom_itx> i wondered about that
[00:20:36] <Tom_itx> lemme try a couple things here
[00:20:51] <JT-Shop> if it is an outside profile with front tooling it is backwards
[00:20:54] <Tom_itx> i'm gonna mirror it to see if that fixes it
[00:21:38] <gene__> Hey guys?
[00:22:57] <JT-Shop> hey gene__
[00:24:18] <gene__> yeah John
[00:24:40] <JT-Shop> you said hey first lol
[00:25:38] <gene__> I did the xenomai install on the lappy, total boot failure, whats magic key to bring up grub when it skips it & goes to first selection directly?
[00:26:56] <JT-Shop> dunno off hand
[00:27:12] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: chopping wood with machete not fun. using a folding saw more fun than machete and a whole lot less effort too
[00:27:53] <gene__> Neither do I but I've seen this error mentioned before.
[00:28:37] <zultron> gene__, is this your atom system with the SD card?
[00:28:48] <gene__> Just can't recall where but its in the ML archives I'll go look at after I feed the missus
[00:29:16] <gene__> No, lappy, 1.6ghz amd turion 64 bit
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[00:29:33] <Jymmm> gene__: and not even gonna share with the rest of us?
[00:30:30] <gene__> And I don't have an SD card in either atom, both 250Gb hd's. And likely something from, Arby's Jymmm
[00:30:51] <Jymmm> gene__: Get the french dip
[00:31:05] <Jymmm> gene__: not too salty either
[00:31:29] <gene__> I'm diabetic, some of that stuff is wayyy too sweet, dammit :)
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[00:31:46] <Jymmm> gene__: the au ju ?
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[00:32:23] <gene__> probably, depends on Dee's thoughts on the subject.
[00:32:31] <Jymmm> ah
[00:32:49] <Jymmm> it comes with swiss cheese, but you can ask for cheddar or none at all
[00:33:02] <gene__> anyway, isn't there supposed to be a magic key that brings up the grub menu?
[00:33:23] <Valen> left shift for grub 2
[00:33:24] <JT-Shop> f***ing iphone crashes my windblows computer about every 5 times I plug it in... revenge of Steve Jobs I think
[00:33:31] <Valen> esc for grub 1 i believe
[00:33:44] <Jymmm> gene__: CTRL+ESC ?
[00:33:56] <Jymmm> or ALT+ESC
[00:34:03] <gene__> tried esc 3 or 4 times, ignored, lemmey try that jymmm
[00:35:19] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, would you rather have an inch file to look at?
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[00:36:11] <gene__> neither of those work
[00:36:33] <zultron> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[00:36:47] <zultron> Says right shift.
[00:36:58] <JT-Shop> Jymmm: this is what you cut with... http://imagebin.org/247111
[00:37:11] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: it won't matter if you have the preamble correct
[00:37:21] <Tom_itx> ok
[00:37:56] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: I don't think it'll fit in my backpack
[00:38:17] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, i just posted a new one
[00:38:22] <Tom_itx> see what that looks like
[00:38:31] <Tom_itx> i haven't addressed the rapids yet
[00:38:38] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: do you have a pocket or folding version?
[00:38:49] <zultron> gene__: There are also settings in /etc/default/grub and /etc/grub.d.
[00:39:11] <gene__> Fine, gotta get to them :(
[00:39:13] <zultron> Check the GRUB_TIMEOUT,
[00:39:18] <zultron> Can't boot at all?
[00:39:54] <Jymmm> gene__: Oh sorry, I read gnome menu. try F1, F2, F10 or DEL for grub menu
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[00:40:07] <Valen> those are bios keys Jymmm
[00:40:17] <gene__> again, it doesn't get that far, .9 seconds in to booting the xenimai kernel, ok will do brb
[00:40:42] <Jymmm> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=845126
[00:40:44] <zultron> Sorry, haven't read all the backlog.
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[00:43:32] <zultron> Sorry, gotta run & feed the kiddo
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[00:44:16] <JT-Shop> one size fits all Jymmm
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[00:44:29] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, i posted a new file
[00:44:55] <Tom_itx> haven't addressed the rapids yet
[00:45:01] <Tom_itx> just working on orientation
[00:46:59] <JT-Shop> that makes more sense but it still made a rapid move though the middle of the part
[00:47:05] <Tom_itx> yeah
[00:47:10] <Tom_itx> lemme work on that now
[00:47:29] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Then I need a Kids version =)
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[00:47:42] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, you started from x0 z0 right
[00:49:12] <JT-Shop> it started from where ever it was... never assume your anyplace make it go to a safe place first
[00:49:29] <Tom_itx> ok
[00:49:33] <gene__> No choices on keyboards in a phenoix bios. I reset to defaults, no change
[00:51:37] <gene__> The keyboard IS working, I can fill up the buffer & make the bios beep at me
[00:51:58] <gene__> I'd better go see about dinner, later & thanks guys
[00:52:09] <JT-Shop> good luck
[00:52:19] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, try that one
[00:52:28] <Tom_itx> i inserted a rapid point at the beginning
[00:53:26] <Tom_itx> i wonder if i need to change the rapid moves to 2 lines separating z and x
[00:53:31] <Tom_itx> througout the program
[00:54:29] <Valen> what acceleration do you guys use?
[00:54:32] <JT-Shop> that does seem to make more sense when running
[00:54:39] <Tom_itx> ok
[00:54:44] <JT-Shop> 10-20 times my velocity
[00:54:54] <Tom_itx> i've just never coded lathe with the cam
[00:55:03] <Valen> interesting
[00:55:04] <Tom_itx> yeah i'm not sure about that so much either
[00:55:16] <Tom_itx> i was gonna let him edit the feed and speed
[00:55:18] <JT-Shop> Valen: how so?
[00:55:27] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, the path looks better though?
[00:55:41] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: yes, it seems to work for me
[00:55:44] <Valen> never heard anybody actually express a rule of thumb before
[00:55:54] <Valen> finding machine accelerations seems rather hard
[00:56:07] <JT-Shop> that's just what it works out to
[00:56:24] <JT-Shop> I comparied all my machines one day and they all fell in that range
[00:56:24] <Valen> i mean published accelerations for other machines
[00:57:59] * JT-Shop goes inside to see if anything is cooking in the cocina
[00:58:12] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: grul
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[01:04:26] <Tom_itx> thanks JT-Shop
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[01:30:34] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, does lathe use the H word for length offset?
[01:32:01] <ReadError> is anyone in the USA interested in a good price on a lathe tool kit?
[01:32:05] <ReadError> i got it, never used it
[01:32:10] <ReadError> too big for my little lathe
[01:33:30] <archivist> get a bigger lathe then
[01:34:22] <ReadError> heh yea eventually
[01:34:27] <ReadError> 1 project at a time ;)
[01:34:31] <ReadError> my extrusions come tuesday
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[01:50:12] <ReadError> scumbag estop
[01:50:17] <ReadError> is normally closed ^_^
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[02:31:57] <skunkworks> scumbag estop?
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[02:34:20] <ReadError> i got it working
[02:34:52] <skunkworks> estops are normally closed devices
[02:35:07] <r00t4rd3d> mine has both
[02:35:29] <r00t4rd3d> i can wire it nc or no
[02:35:53] <skunkworks> yes - most do. (but for failsafeishness you want NC)
[02:45:16] <pcw_home> Yeah you want a broken wire = ESTOP now rather than non working ESTOP
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[03:11:11] <tjtr33> we called it a secrity link, any break in security link causes shutdown. the link was a bunch of NC contacts , one for each neccesary subsystem
[03:12:05] <tjtr33> the no contact can be used to identify the offending subsystem, or notify IFU
[03:12:21] <tjtr33> security
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[04:49:35] <tjtr33> in gladevcp, if i change the title label of a frame, i loose the bold attribute set in the glade designer.
[04:49:41] <tjtr33> http://videobin.org/+6dw/79z.html
[04:49:41] <tjtr33> how to make the markup persistant?
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[05:01:47] <tjtr33> answer: add the markup into the new string "<b>"+newtextstring+"</b>" :)
[05:02:21] <tjtr33> and check the 'use markup' box in glade designer
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[07:49:41] <DJ9DJ> moin
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[07:58:29] <mrsun> when reaming, what is the maximum undersize hole you can have for a reamer?
[07:58:33] <mrsun> any recomendations ?
[08:00:52] <Jymmm> 18+
[08:01:20] <toastydeath> what does that even mean
[08:01:35] <toastydeath> like, if you have a 2mm reamer that's actually been ground wrong it could be a large amount under
[08:02:09] <toastydeath> you need to drill a test hole that is exactly representative of what you're going to be really reaming if you want to find out what the reamer will cut
[08:03:03] <toastydeath> even going from one alloy to another will change your size, reamers are not all that accurate
[08:03:17] <Loetmichel> mornin'
[08:12:04] <Loetmichel> sooo, turbocad 3d pro v16 installed on the private notebook... i hope the learning curve is more than steep, coming fromcoreldraw 8 ;)
[08:12:39] <mrsun> Jymmm, huh ? :P
[08:13:07] <Jymmm> 16-20
[08:13:13] <mrsun> no units nothing
[08:13:19] <mrsun> inch ? mm ? cm ?
[08:13:23] <mrsun> yards ?
[08:13:33] <mrsun> :P
[08:14:02] <Jymmm> If you can't figure it out, you are in fa greater trouble
[08:14:06] <mrsun> thousands ?
[08:14:08] <Jymmm> *far
[08:14:24] <mrsun> thing is ... atleast tell if its thousands of an inch, or hundreths of mm
[08:14:26] <mrsun> :P
[08:14:33] <mrsun> as they end up quite different :P
[08:16:15] <Jymmm> mrsun: Well, think it out. you'll figure it out
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[08:31:37] <archivist> mrsun, depends on the reamers front taper and how well held (machine/hand)
[08:31:52] <mrsun> hmm ok
[08:32:14] <mrsun> finding numbers like 0.5 - 1.5% under
[08:32:55] <archivist> yes they do not cut much in one pass
[08:33:31] <mrsun> i understand that =)
[08:33:50] <mrsun> and aparently the closer the starter hole the more accurate the end dimension
[08:36:06] <mrsun> and over like 20mm i guess one uses a boring head insted =)
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[09:08:46] <archivist> there are adjustable reamers, and they go above 20mm
[09:09:31] <toastydeath> there are also shell reamers
[09:09:45] <toastydeath> after you go over 25mm or so you get into shell and adjustable reamers
[09:11:12] <archivist> one thing I did win(£60) over the years is a set of 1/2" to 1" adjustable reamers :)
[09:15:09] <Jymmm> won?
[09:15:31] <archivist> got at a better price that it was worth
[09:15:37] <archivist> than
[09:15:48] <Jymmm> ah, I thought a contest =)
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[09:47:30] <mrsun> archivist, ye but in a home shop one wants to keep it kinda economical :P
[10:01:06] <archivist> £60 was cheap for a set :)
[10:02:50] <archivist> or expensive if compared to http://www.axminster.co.uk/axminster-axminster-set-of-8-medium-adjustable-reamers-prod822728/
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[15:45:50] <L84Supper> what format would you create to replace STL/AMF for 3d printers? Keeping in mind printers that can print in full color with multiple materials and consolidate different types of processes inkjet, SLA, FDM etc
[15:47:54] <archivist> nice machine level but seller could well be mistaken on the zeros fleabay 181083121964 I have one
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[15:48:26] <JT-Shop> archivist makes me look
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[15:49:03] <archivist> he claims .00005 in 10" mine is .0005 in 10"
[15:49:22] <JT-Shop> dang that is sensitive
[15:49:40] <archivist> or he is mistaken
[15:49:59] <archivist> I asked a question a few seconds ago
[15:50:20] <JT-Shop> mine is 0.0005"/10" as well
[15:50:24] <archivist> mine sees people walk by
[15:50:57] <archivist> even at .0005 its cheap
[15:51:37] <JT-Shop> mine doen't even have a makers mark on it lol
[15:51:54] <L84Supper> what laws of physics does he grease with the components in that level?
[15:54:01] <L84Supper> if the surface tension between the fluid, bubble and window are low enough theoretically you could measure the strain on the bubble down to the molecule minus the random movement
[15:56:26] <L84Supper> 0.00005 inches = 1.27 micron
[15:57:30] <archivist> I wonder if the enclosed nature of the bubbles and the vapour pressure inside affects the wetting of the glass
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[15:58:33] <archivist> I do think the seller got it wrong
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[15:59:06] <archivist> but I would hate to miss out if he is right :)
[16:00:08] <L84Supper> isn't it worth 25 even if it is 10x worse tha sated?
[16:00:21] <L84Supper> sorry, than stated
[16:00:52] <archivist> sure is, usually the start price is 75 to 150 for these at .0005
[16:04:02] <archivist> here is the smaller brother of that but got at 290864895862
[16:04:40] <archivist> way over price as modified
[16:06:19] <L84Supper> "BELIEVED TO BE IN WORKING CONDITION"
[16:06:39] <archivist> hmm I have a box square/level by cooke and that has a .00025 in 10" bubble :)
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[16:07:48] <archivist> levels are so easy to test that that description is rather odd
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[17:02:27] <Loetmichel> re @ home
[17:03:20] <JT-Shop> archivist: by reversing them?
[17:03:46] <archivist> yes and having a stable platform
[17:08:16] <archivist> the stable platform is the hard bit as a normal dwelling is not that solid
[17:09:58] <archivist> I make sure I dont move and have a reference so the level is up against another item to make sure its is straight
[17:12:44] <skunkworks> dad bought and inexpensive one (.0005) per div from enco or one of those places - Had to calibrate it.
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[17:14:43] <archivist> do not ever break a good bubble, I did on my clinometer, it cost £80 to get a new bubble
[17:17:29] <L84Supper> skunkworks: new concrete floor and granite table or moving the adjustment screw?
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[17:23:02] <skunkworks> I think he calibrated it on the K&T's table.. (flipping it back and forth and adjusting the srew)
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[17:34:00] <blubbsi> hello
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[17:34:52] <micges> hi
[17:34:59] <blubbsi> i am unable to fetch git://git.linuxcnc.org/git/linuxcnc.git linuxcnc-dev, i get a connection refused error, is it me?
[17:35:24] <JT-Shop> could be
[17:35:59] <blubbsi> JT-Shop: :))
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[17:36:21] <JT-Shop> are you using this syntax? git clone git://git.linuxcnc.org/git/linuxcnc.git linuxcnc-dev
[17:36:31] <blubbsi> yes
[17:36:33] <JT-Shop> or some directory
[17:36:39] <blubbsi> no
[17:36:39] <micges> I've got connection refused also
[17:36:43] <JT-Shop> might be down
[17:36:47] <blubbsi> ok, then its ok, and its noit me
[17:36:51] <JT-Shop> it don't like you guys then
[17:36:54] <blubbsi> thanks for trying
[17:36:56] <JT-Shop> lol
[17:37:14] <micges> he
[17:37:15] <micges> h
[17:37:30] <JT-Shop> blubbsi: just wait a while and try again
[17:37:52] <blubbsi> id like to take a lokk into a latency regression form linuxcnc 8.04 -> 10.04 on a i386 machine, almost twice the latency as the older version....
[17:38:25] <jdh> git.linuxcnc.org[0: 76.79.18.203]: errno=Connection refused
[17:38:52] <JT-Shop> older hardware works best with older OS
[17:39:20] <blubbsi> JT-Shop: well :) i intend to dig a bit deeper :)
[17:39:36] <jdh> blubbsi: higher latency on same hardware?
[17:39:41] <blubbsi> JT-Shop: yes
[17:39:47] <blubbsi> jdh: yes
[17:41:36] <pcw_home> This was noticed by many people when the first version of LinuxCNC based on Ubuntu 10.04 came out
[17:42:34] <AR__> it is perhaps because ubuntu is a horrible item
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[17:44:34] <pcw_home> Doubt if its Ubuntu related
[17:47:40] <blubbsi> well, tehres not much that could be responsible :) eithere rtai, or kernel, or kernel&rtai :) and that with ubunut specific patches, or without.
[17:47:50] <micges> blubbsi: try git now
[17:48:31] <blubbsi> micges: works!
[17:49:02] <micges> ok
[17:50:18] <blubbsi> pcw_home: didt there come out something out of it?
[17:50:46] <mrsun> for making something level, better to have 3 points then 4 ?
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[17:50:57] <mrsun> than
[17:51:00] <pcw_home> Not that I know of
[17:51:36] <pcw_home> Probably due to improvements in video drivers or something
[17:53:39] <blubbsi> pcw_home: ic
[17:54:19] <JT-Shop> blubbsi: git should be back up now, it was being upgraded
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[17:57:15] <blubbsi> JT-Shop: thanks, i allready checked out
[17:57:34] <blubbsi> well, ill be back if i know what going on
[17:57:37] <blubbsi> bye
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[18:03:45] <IchGuckLive> hi all Back from Holiday O.O :D
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[18:11:38] <L84Supper> IchGuckLive: Spring Festival in Bavaria? :)
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[18:12:33] <IchGuckLive> rio samba
[18:13:10] <L84Supper> have a nice time?
[18:13:24] <IchGuckLive> had a nice time
[18:13:45] <IchGuckLive> hot in every part and know landet at 3 and -2
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[19:10:04] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, does lathe use H word for tool length offset?
[19:18:26] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop did you write a lathe feed calc when you did your calculator routines?
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[19:33:57] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: H is optional
[19:34:38] <JT-Shop> for a lathe use G96 for turning
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[19:52:09] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, i noticed on a sample file he gave me he was using G95
[19:52:19] <Tom_itx> do you use that along with G96?
[19:52:44] <Tom_itx> units per rev mode (G95)
[19:54:03] <Tom_itx> doesn't appear so
[19:54:38] <Tom_itx> would G95 be more used for something like single point threading?
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[19:55:25] <tjb1> Hi fellas
[19:55:59] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, one of his has both but i dunno what he was doing with them
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[20:01:48] <Tecan> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e3/Blondzebra.jpg
[20:02:18] <Loetmichel> Tecan: too much H2O2 ;-)
[20:11:21] <tjb1> https://www.dropbox.com/s/78ulj15l7xkzlpq/2013-02-18%2014.44.24.jpg
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[20:13:24] <Tecan> dual color ?
[20:15:07] <tjb1> no
[20:15:19] <tjb1> support = black, model = white
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[20:18:24] <Tecan> setup an automated part printing service 60 cents per gram of plastic
[20:18:47] <Tecan> no orders under 50 bux
[20:20:48] <tjb1> The white material is $4.66 a cubic inch
[20:21:47] <Tecan> how much does that weigh ?
[20:21:54] <tjb1> No clue
[20:22:14] <tjb1> Way overpriced though
[20:25:44] <Tecan> i bought a 3lb roll for 60 bux ?
[20:26:47] <tjb1> You aren't buying that for $60 to go into those printers
[20:29:27] <Tecan> 1kg for 40 bux
[20:30:04] <Tecan> http://www.ebay.ca/sch/i.html?_nkw=pla+filament&_sacat=0&_odkw=faster+3+d&_osacat=0&_from=R40
[20:30:27] <tjb1> Cheap filament = garbage
[20:30:38] <tjb1> That picture I loaded was a uPrint
[20:30:41] <tjb1> commercial machine
[20:31:30] <tjb1> $145 a spool for the uprint
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[20:32:21] <Tecan> can you print rubber ?
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[20:32:44] <tjb1> Some can
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[20:41:28] <Spida> anybody here with a clue of mechanics? if I have a aluminium-pipe with D=50mm, d=46mm, l=400mm, fixed at one end and pushed with 98.1N at the other end, how much will it bend?
[20:42:46] <archivist> you need Roark's formulas for stress and strains W. Young McGraw Hill 1989 :)
[20:43:40] <tronwizard> assuming the direction of force is applied parallel and colinear with the pipe's axis, it depends on the aluminum alloy's compression strengh
[20:44:18] <archivist> I see no mention of force direction
[20:44:40] <Jymmm> <-- THAT WAY -->
[20:45:00] <tronwizard> doesn't help, what is the orientation of the pipe?
[20:45:36] <Jymmm> bi-sexual
[20:45:44] <Loetmichel> hrhr
[20:46:04] <Jymmm> tri-sexual ?
[20:46:10] * tronwizard adds Jymmm to his suspected troll list
[20:46:27] <Loetmichel> Spida: in short: not noticeable says my gut ;-)
[20:47:47] <Spida> Loetmichel: I need to mount a microscope, so "not noticeable" needs to be VERY small
[20:48:36] <Spida> a proper stand would be very expensive: http://www.ebay.de/itm/370675428339
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[20:48:45] <Loetmichel> ok, that is another thread
[20:48:53] <archivist> if you are not touching the microscope beding wont matter
[20:49:00] <archivist> bending
[20:49:17] <Loetmichel> archivist has a point there
[20:49:23] <Loetmichel> it WILL hold the 10kg
[20:49:24] <tronwizard> the weight of the m'scope would still deflrect the mounting
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[20:49:54] <tronwizard> is there any adjustment availavble to compensate?
[20:50:10] <Loetmichel> tronwizard: thats right but irrelevant, the, the focus can be adjusted to take that into account
[20:50:25] <archivist> I have used a microscope when turning
[20:50:31] <Loetmichel> as long as the weight/force is not changing the stand will do its job
[20:50:56] <Spida> thats the question: how much will it bend if I touch it?
[20:51:06] <archivist> mine is on about an inch bar
[20:51:36] <Spida> archivist: but solid, not a pipe?
[20:51:38] <tronwizard> Spida: depends on the force you exert, I would think just a touch wouldn't be noticeable
[20:52:14] <archivist> Spida, in the background of this pic http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2012/2012_11_01_Tool_grinder/IMG_1387.JPG
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[20:52:43] <archivist> front view over a lathe http://www.archivist.info/cnc/works2008/P1010237.JPG
[20:55:02] <cpresser> Spida: you can try to find something similar; check offer simple calculations for bending of different extrusion profiles
[20:55:45] <cpresser> basically you need the 'e-modul' of the material. which depents on geometry and material
[20:56:06] <cpresser> i recommend 'gross hauger schell - technische mechanik' for further reading :)
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[21:00:10] <MattyMatt> http://www.ebay.de/itm/CNC-USB-MACH3-Electronic-Hand-wheel-For-ModsMach3-Engraving-Machine-Puls-Only-/281041435555 nasty looking but cheap
[21:00:12] <Spida> archivist: looks pretty solid
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[21:03:34] <Spida> not sure if I want a pipe or a solid rod, though. a pipe would need much larger holes in the pase-plate, and a some lathe-work for the mount-adaptor, but it would be easily replaceable for different lengths. the solid rod would (probably) be heavier (which might add instability because the weight is heigher above the base-plate)
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[21:04:10] <archivist> the base on mine is pretty heavy
[21:08:17] <MattyMatt> 3d printing is getting serious for pipe fittings -> http://www.taulman3d.com/index.html
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[21:09:43] <MattyMatt> probably not as stiff as a metal flange tho
[21:10:13] <mrsun> found a small chuck for the lathe, collet chuck ... the collets look like the R8 but not any size that ive ever seen .. alot smaller
[21:10:27] <mrsun> are these R8 but a different size or is there any like R6 or something? :P
[21:10:45] <mrsun> 5C maybe?
[21:11:08] <archivist> mrsun, Schaublin and similar
[21:11:24] <jdh> later
[21:12:48] <archivist> mrsun, picture ?
[21:13:08] <mrsun> not atm :/ have to take that tomorrow in that case, but was something scribed on the frontside of the holder
[21:13:45] <skunkworks_> I wonder how well the threads are generated by the reprap
[21:13:48] <mrsun> http://cdn.homemodelenginemachinist.com/attachments/f26/49806d1342624949-er-collets-my-south-bend-col.png all parts look like that, missing the thread protector tho
[21:13:53] <skunkworks_> or if you have to tap them
[21:14:27] <MattyMatt> the coarse threads on the pipe could be printed fine these days
[21:14:44] <MattyMatt> some people are printing 0.04mm layers
[21:14:58] <MattyMatt> that takes days tho
[21:15:01] <archivist> mrsun, I have some collets for my Schaublin lathe that are similar to that
[21:15:19] <mrsun> this lathe is a south bend clone
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[21:15:49] <archivist> mrsun, also watchmakers lathes use the same style
[21:16:39] <archivist> often known as 6mm or 8mm collets
[21:17:27] <mrsun> gah mouse just halted in its tracks .. fun :P
[21:17:43] <mrsun> cant move it but can click with it
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[21:20:18] <mrsun_> ...
[21:20:21] <mrsun_> and then computer hung :P
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[21:24:59] <Spida> archivist: how large ist that baseplate of yours?
[21:25:23] <mrsun_> archivist, hmm ok so no special name on them? :)
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[21:56:55] <Spida> how bad are the milling properties of V2A steel?
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[22:17:57] <gene77> hi all. It appears Johns new kernel won't boot on a 10.04.4 LTS machine but it is reported to work on 12.04. URL for a 12.04 LTS ido?
[22:18:31] <gene77> hi all. It appears John Morris's new kernel won't boot on a 10.04.4 LTS machine but it is reported to work on 12.04. URL for a 12.04 LTS iso?
[22:18:58] <micges> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop
[22:19:15] <gene77> Thanks
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[22:28:46] <DJ9DJ> gn8
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[23:26:25] <Valen> ok, I've found a 3d printer that i like
[23:26:26] <Valen> http://www.designnews.com/author.asp?section_id=1392&doc_id=258652&cid=Newsletter+-+Materials+%26+Assembly&dfpPParams=ind_183,industry_aero,industry_gov,bid_27,aid_258652&dfpLayout=blog&dfpPParams=ind_183,industry_aero,industry_gov,bid_27,aid_258652&dfpLayout=blog
[23:26:58] <Valen> 25 ft x 5 ft x 5 ft, 15 lb per hour, titanium, tantalum inconel and no powders
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[23:41:01] <JT-Shop> wtf Copy the elo driver files from the binary folder to the default elo folder. Compile the kernel module and copy it to the default elo folder. Change the permissions for all the elo driver files. Copy and place the X display Elo component file in the proper location.
[23:50:08] <JT-Shop> when you see cp -r ./bin-serial/ /etc/opt/elo-ser are you supposed to be in the bin-serial directory when you issue the command
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[23:56:01] <jdh> not one dir up?
[23:56:20] <jdh> otherwise it would be ../bin-serial/
[23:58:42] <gene77> 12.04-2 amd64 LTS installed still no network of any kind Its the Mrs birthday, so I'd better go pay attention.
[23:58:43] <JT-Shop> it copies the directory too and the instructions are not clear if that is the desired result
[23:59:08] <JT-Shop> http://www.elotouch.com/files/install/Elo_Linux_Serial_v3.3.0_i686_Installation_Instructions.txt