#linuxcnc | Logs for 2013-02-13

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[00:14:39] <gene77> 'squiet here tonight, everything must be working?
[00:16:34] <ReadError> wait till tomorrow ;)
[00:16:38] <ReadError> ill have 300 questions
[00:16:42] <JT-Shop> working too hard
[00:17:03] <gene77> What at John?
[00:17:47] <JT-Shop> log splitter, neighbors well, another neighbors throwing axe, real work in between...
[00:18:03] <JT-Shop> and a carpet cleaner lol
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[00:19:42] <gene77> Me, I'm bored, watching my toy mill carve wrench flats on a BP nipple. Its a bit like drying paint, could use a new bit. Carpet Cleaner? Sound like something the DW threw at you :)
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[00:20:19] <JT-Shop> neighbors son has a cleaning business, when things need welding he brings them to me
[00:20:31] <gene77> Ahh.
[00:22:59] <JT-Shop> http://www.arboristsite.com/firewood-heating-wood-burning-equipment/221479-9.htm#post4153660
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[00:23:53] <JT-Shop> the rolling frame http://www.arboristsite.com/attachments/firewood-heating-wood-burning-equipment/278255d1360442085-wood-splitter-04-jpg
[00:24:32] <JT-Shop> the beam and cylinder http://www.arboristsite.com/attachments/firewood-heating-wood-burning-equipment/278801d1360684783-beam-06-jpg
[00:25:12] <Tom_itx> You are not logged in. Fill in the form at the bottom of this page and try again
[00:25:14] <Tom_itx> :(
[00:25:24] <JT-Shop> for the photos?
[00:25:28] <Tom_itx> yup
[00:25:33] <JT-Shop> sucks
[00:26:28] <JT-Shop> http://imagebin.org/246468
[00:26:52] <JT-Shop> http://imagebin.org/246469
[00:26:54] <gene77> sucking info to sell. Suck isn't exactly the right word though.
[00:26:55] <JT-Shop> better?
[00:27:37] <Tom_itx> is that 1" backing plate?
[00:27:51] <Tom_itx> i'd still put a brace behind it
[00:28:25] <JT-Shop> yea, it is just leaning up against the beam atm
[00:28:43] <JT-Shop> 1" thick yes
[00:28:53] <Tom_itx> did you go with a 3 or 4" cyl?
[00:29:03] <JT-Shop> there is much more that goes on there lol
[00:29:10] <Tom_itx> i'm sure
[00:29:12] <JT-Shop> 4" x 24" Lion
[00:29:21] <Tom_itx> haven't seen much yet you didn't go overkill on
[00:29:21] <gene77> I'm with Tom_itx but it sure looks like a good start from here.
[00:29:39] <Tom_itx> what will happen is the weld will start to tear at the top
[00:29:46] <Tom_itx> i know from experience
[00:29:50] <JT-Shop> come on if it looks right it will work
[00:29:52] <Tom_itx> i borrowed one that was built that way
[00:30:00] <Tom_itx> but only 3/4" plate
[00:30:16] <JT-Shop> on the plate?
[00:30:20] <Tom_itx> yeah
[00:30:25] <Tom_itx> i bent the plate too
[00:30:43] <JT-Shop> it will be glued on well
[00:30:47] <Tom_itx> i'm sure
[00:31:04] <Tom_itx> it looks plenty beefy really
[00:31:13] <gene77> But still needs braced from the back
[00:31:17] <JT-Shop> I'm going to cut the height down 1 1/2" inches for 8" total above the beam
[00:31:18] <Tom_itx> i had mine push the wood into the blade
[00:31:40] <Tom_itx> then if it got stuck you still had your cylinder free to jam something else in
[00:31:41] <JT-Shop> yes, large stiffeners will go on the back side
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[00:32:03] <JT-Shop> this one will work vertical only so that can't work
[00:32:21] <Connor> I've seen them push the wood into the blade, thus keeping the wood in front of the machine and away from the sides for better access..
[00:32:50] <gene77> I have seen a couple to bent the backer off even when the had a 1/2" thick back brace, but the weld at the root of the backer broke.
[00:32:51] <JT-Shop> sorta like this http://imagebin.org/246470
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[00:33:16] <JT-Shop> http://imagebin.org/246471
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[00:34:25] <Tom_itx> yeah if yours tips up then you need to push the blade
[00:34:27] <gene77> What is guiding the wedge?
[00:34:36] <JT-Shop> gene77: that is a concern for sure and the welds if the same size as the smallest material is as strong as it gets
[00:35:25] <JT-Shop> some details are not done yet like the foot plate for the wedge, I'm undecided as to wich method I will use
[00:36:23] <gene77> I'd cage it on the flang of the I-Beam, with a cage about a foot long.
[00:36:25] <JT-Shop> you can kinda see the structure to back up the plate in the last photo
[00:36:39] <gene77> Drawiing, but yes.
[00:36:42] <Tom_itx> yeah4
[00:40:44] <gene77> trash is in the morning, so I'll let this thing watch itself & go put it out.
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[00:44:27] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, are the front wheels temporary?
[00:45:06] <JT-Shop> no, they are parking castors
[00:45:24] <Tom_itx> not so much to support it then?
[00:45:37] <JT-Shop> the tounge folds up for storage
[00:45:40] <Tom_itx> k
[00:46:12] <Tom_itx> i was gonna say you may want a bit more distance between them and the rear for better stability if they were the 'in use' platform
[00:46:53] <Tom_itx> iirc i just used a tongue jack on mine for the 3rd point
[00:47:07] <JT-Shop> yea, they are for parking manuvers only
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[00:47:21] <Tom_itx> i noticed they're pinned
[00:48:00] <JT-Shop> yea they fold up for transport
[00:49:21] <Tom_itx> how hard is it gonna be to raise that beam with the cylinder on it?
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[00:53:51] <Tom_itx> how hard is it gonna be to raise that beam with the cylinder on it?
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[00:54:09] <JT-Shop-2> <JT-Shop> it will be pushing 200lbs when done I think
[00:54:09] <JT-Shop-2> <JT-Shop> so either a winch or a hydraulic jack to raise and lower
[00:54:15] <JT-Shop-2> http://imagebin.org/246474
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[00:55:31] <Tom_itx> you may end up tying those up the other way if you have very hilly terrain
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[00:56:59] <Tom_itx> damn his connection sucks
[00:57:21] <skunkworks> satellite
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[00:59:05] <JT-Shop> darn lumpy connection tonight
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[00:59:54] <JT-Shop> time for me to start dinner
[01:00:02] <JT-Shop> goodnight
[01:01:24] <Tom_itx> gnite
[01:02:44] <Valen> !seen andypugh
[01:02:45] <the_wench> last seen in 2013-02-12 23:23:46GMT 01:38:58 ago, saying Quit: andypugh
[01:02:50] <Valen> oh ffs
[01:03:12] <Valen> having a brain would help lol
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[01:06:35] <PCW> With the thoughts I'd be thinkiin,
[01:06:37] <PCW> I could be another Lincoln,
[01:06:39] <PCW> If I only had a brain
[01:16:08] <r00t4rd3d> tjb1, you get the 4.2.2 update?
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[01:23:35] <Icekiller> question a ballscew rm1605 how much does it move on 1 rotation? (horizontal movement)
[01:25:32] <Connor> what the link to the mail list online ?
[01:29:06] <Connor> NM. found it.
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[02:20:01] <ReadError> so i just installed like 200 teenuts
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[02:20:07] <ReadError> that was a task right there
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[02:23:13] <r00t4rd3d> why so many?
[02:23:37] <ReadError> its on a 24x48" board
[02:23:44] <r00t4rd3d> pic?
[02:23:47] <ReadError> hold.
[02:26:14] <ReadError> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/25091878/Photo%20Feb%2012%2C%209%2024%2029%20PM.jpg
[02:27:32] <r00t4rd3d> not gonna use the tslot bit?
[02:27:55] <ReadError> i did on another one
[02:28:00] <ReadError> but holy shit thats a PITA
[02:28:13] <ReadError> i got these pretty cheap from mcmaster
[02:28:22] <ReadError> i cut a pattern in lexan
[02:28:31] <ReadError> so i can see where the other marks are
[02:28:37] <ReadError> makes it fast
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[02:33:25] <r00t4rd3d> pic of the tslot attempt?
[02:34:13] <r00t4rd3d> i plan on just bolting a spoil board down and letting the machine cut the tslots
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[02:37:40] <ReadError> man its super ugly
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[02:40:30] <tjtr33> hal cascaded oneshot example code http://pastebin.com/a30xhXXv gui http://pastebin.com/Myk7uwVx screenshot http://imagebin.org/246484
[02:41:12] <tjtr33> for the guy wanting automatic oiler, can be scaled from uSecs to days
[02:46:31] <r00t4rd3d> mustard yellow?
[02:47:21] <r00t4rd3d> ReadError, didnt you make a guide?
[02:48:48] <ReadError> yea
[02:48:55] <ReadError> at first i tried one
[02:48:59] <ReadError> didnt work so well
[02:49:05] <ReadError> then i used 2, worked pretty good
[02:49:11] <ReadError> until 1 of my clamps slipped
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[02:50:53] <r00t4rd3d> lol
[02:51:12] <ReadError> i think it would be easier/better to grab some of those teenuts
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[02:54:57] <jdh> that's a lot of teenuts
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[03:11:37] <jdh> today is the day of whacked out PLCs
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[03:30:03] <r00t4rd3d> I think he is trying to make up for a lack of something
[03:30:43] <jdh> aren't we all.
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[04:15:40] <r00t4rd3d> aww they for Dorner
[04:15:47] <r00t4rd3d> they got*
[04:29:55] <r00t4rd3d> i was hoping for more rampage
[04:48:26] <brady2600> it was bullshit how cnn went right along and cut the live feed.
[04:48:53] <brady2600> what kind of press is it, if the cops can just demand it censored so they can be executioners in private.
[04:49:58] <brady2600> all government is a monopoly of voilence. We should have competing security firms instead of police departments you can't defund when they misbehave.
[04:50:51] <brady2600> The way it is, the fox is guarding the hen house. We are supposed to assume beyond all logic that all police are good, and they are only after bad guys. Its just not like that, the world isn't a black and white cartoon.
[04:52:17] <brady2600> Centralized monopolies on the initiation of violence are inherently immoral. Its absurd to think you can create one group of good people to watch over everyone else without creating a giant magnet for sociopaths that want exactly those powers that government entails.
[04:54:57] <brady2600> All of the services of government should be able to be achieved cheaper and more efficiently by competing groups. If they can't serve the needs of the population they should literally see their paychecks dry up. Cops that shoot at innocents should see themselves lose access to roads. They should have their pensions be declined to be managed. If one police department is accused of covering up crime, they should see an entirely diffrent s
[04:56:13] <brady2600> aside all that, linuxCNC sounds cool.
[04:59:31] <r00t4rd3d> sounds like you need a cabin and some anti government signs
[05:20:10] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNk-bV40XMc&feature=youtu.be
[05:20:21] <r00t4rd3d> brady2600, you should enjoy that
[05:21:54] <brady2600> Why would i want a cabin, clearly they love to burn shit down.
[05:22:24] <brady2600> I need like a house made of welded together half inch sheets of steel lol.
[05:27:29] <brady2600> I used to be self described classically liberal, like the founding fathers, but ive come to the conclusion that the concept of minarchy is fatally flawed as America itself is an illustration of such. Limited government results in an explosion of productivity, and then all the bloodsuckers show up and want to take a bite. Dispite the best efforts of every man that proclaimed to try to limit the growth of the government, they inevitably fa
[05:28:17] <Jymmm> Take it to #politics or #WeRealDontCare
[05:29:40] <brady2600> I was speaking to r00t4rd3d, and i think #WeRealDontCare speaks enough about you.
[05:30:17] <Jymmm> brady2600: Then speak to him in PM, not in the channel.
[05:30:23] <brady2600> You are you, not we.
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[05:30:49] <brady2600> No thanks.
[05:31:18] <toastydeath> why are you in a channel about an open source machine control if you're just interested about politics
[05:31:51] <brady2600> Sorry about interupting your non-conversatoin though, believe it or not , I have multiple interests and so do most other humans.
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[05:33:35] <brady2600> Are we done being microtyrants yet?
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[05:34:03] <toastydeath> not particularly, no
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[05:36:08] <Jymmm> toastydeath: Hi =)
[05:36:14] <toastydeath> hai dood
[05:36:43] <Jymmm> toastydeath: Much better, Car running again =)
[05:36:53] <toastydeath> you were having car problems?
[05:36:55] <toastydeath> what happened
[05:37:09] <Jymmm> toastydeath: In tank fuel pump went out
[05:37:16] <toastydeath> oh lord
[05:37:53] <Jymmm> toastydeath: $110 for the deal ($600 for the pump + $500 labor), otherplaces wanted $500-$700
[05:38:21] <toastydeath> god DAMN that's a job i'd try to do at home first
[05:38:31] <Jymmm> toastydeath: See PM
[05:39:29] <Jymmm> toastydeath: NOBODY had written anything up, so I wanted to help out the next poor bastard.
[05:39:43] <toastydeath> that's awesome, video too
[05:40:05] <Jymmm> toastydeath: Well, not MY video, it was far too dark and cramped to take video
[05:40:30] <Jymmm> toastydeath: That is just one of the woes I had to deal with.
[05:40:38] <toastydeath> haha
[05:41:42] <Jymmm> toastydeath: Wiring manual, fuel filter, furl line tool, wheel chocks, ebay fuel pump, jack stands all came to around $125
[05:42:25] <toastydeath> nice
[05:42:37] <toastydeath> working on your own shit is balls cheap compared to any shop
[05:43:31] <Jymmm> toastydeath: EVERY auto parts in the area wanted $100 for the pump alone, plus another $20 for a new mesh filter
[05:44:02] <Jymmm> toastydeath: Even online wanted $90, I just got lucky
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[06:04:09] <tjb1> So you finally did it Jymmm
[06:04:37] <Jymmm> Yeah, about 100 miles ago. andI did NOT drop the tank
[06:04:55] <tjb1> You put an ebay fuel pump in...
[06:04:57] <tjb1> What is wrong with you
[06:05:07] <Jymmm> I like to save my money.
[06:06:06] <tjb1> by putting in a fuel pump you may be replacing in a month
[06:09:12] <r00t4rd3d> you +q someone for off topic bullshit then go on about it yourself?
[06:09:18] <r00t4rd3d> thats pretty fucked up
[06:09:51] <tjb1> What the hell is +q
[06:09:56] <r00t4rd3d> mute
[06:10:06] <Jymmm> r00t4rd3d: No, that was for him being a dick.
[06:10:20] <Jymmm> or acting like one that is.
[06:10:47] <tjb1> 4.2.2 update?
[06:10:56] <tjb1> Im on CM10.1
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[06:21:13] <Loetmichel> mornin'
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[07:39:03] <diginet> question: how are, in general, alloys developed? is it just more or less guesswork?
[07:43:55] <bedah> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metallurgy
[07:44:40] <Jymmm> Centuries of "Well, that didn't work" =)
[07:45:56] <diginet> that's what I thought :(
[07:46:26] <diginet> what is the most corrosion resistant alloy that we know of?
[07:46:28] <Jymmm> diginet: I joke
[07:46:51] <Jymmm> titanium
[07:47:33] <diginet> there's thing called HD-Rosetta, it's basically like microfiche, but it's intended to last for millenia, anyway, it uses a pure nickel plate, and I was thinking about why nickel was chosen
[07:48:55] <Jymmm> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickel
[07:49:16] <Jymmm> Nickel can even be found in outter space
[07:49:56] <Jymmm> Titanium is $$$$$$$$$$
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[07:51:07] <Jymmm> Then there's Platinum
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[07:53:07] <diginet> isn't iridium better than platinum in terms of inertness?
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[07:53:40] <Jymmm> No idea, most are out of my price range to find out =)
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[07:54:06] <diginet> heh
[07:54:09] <Jymmm> hi DJ9DJ_
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[07:54:19] <DJ9DJ> moin
[07:54:21] <DJ9DJ> hi Jymmm :D
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[08:28:30] <samkan> hi
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[10:42:45] <Tecan> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCrixbXz4rc
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[11:14:54] <bigvalen> Mutter. I have an Adobe Illustrator file of a logo I want to mill. Alas, though Inkscape can load it, when I use Inkscape's GCodeTools to try make GCode from it, Inkscape crashes.
[11:15:15] <bigvalen> What other tools might be able to generate GCode from a .AI or .SVG file ?
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[12:37:27] <Mr_Wolfs> what is the version of Gcodetools?
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[12:42:08] <bigvalen> No idea.
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[12:42:50] <bigvalen> It's really hard to tell. But the 'check for updates' says there is a more recent version...though it gives a URL to the same version I just downloaded.
[12:42:53] <Mr_Wolfs> Do you have a section help?
[12:43:23] <Mr_Wolfs> I use the Gcodetools 1.4 it's better
[12:44:32] <bigvalen> Seems I'm using 1.7
[12:45:05] <Mr_Wolfs> I prefer the 1.4 Can you try it
[12:45:55] <bigvalen> Any idea where you can get that ?
[12:46:07] <Mr_Wolfs> google is your friend
[12:46:37] <bigvalen> Ah, same page as 1.7, same filename, different download location
[12:46:44] * bigvalen shakes fist at the gods
[12:49:10] <bigvalen> Nah, that segfaulted inkscape too.
[12:50:00] <Mr_Wolfs> wait I'm trying to search the file
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[12:58:14] <Mr_Wolfs> you put this file in the extension in usr/share/inkscape/
[12:59:28] <Loetmichel> bigvalen^: not a giid idea, most deitys are resentful
[12:59:32] <Loetmichel> good
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[14:02:09] <Mr_Wolfs> How can I put the velocity for Z axis in the kinematics?
[14:04:06] <Mr_Wolfs> cause when I start a .ngc I can see on the halscope that the velocity of my Z axis is better than the MAX_VELOCITY in the .ini file
[14:07:43] <jthornton> max velocity for the Z axis or in general?
[14:07:54] <Mr_Wolfs> no just Z axis
[14:08:58] <jthornton> do you have backlash compensation?
[14:09:07] <Mr_Wolfs> no
[14:09:21] <jthornton> odd indeed
[14:09:47] <jdh> one of your axes is violating the max velocity constraint?
[14:09:53] <Mr_Wolfs> really
[14:10:23] <cradek> I think in kins mode, the TRAJ settings take over and you only have one max velocity and accel setting for every direction
[14:10:37] <Mr_Wolfs> the other axe is faster
[14:10:52] <Mr_Wolfs> yes then Can I change that
[14:11:05] <cradek> not at the kins level
[14:11:19] <cradek> well do you mean can you change the max? yes
[14:11:20] <Mr_Wolfs> I don't want the TRAJ take over
[14:11:40] <cradek> what kind of machine is it? what are you using kins to do?
[14:12:23] <Mr_Wolfs> no cause if I change the max the X Y axes will move slowly
[14:12:30] <Mr_Wolfs> I use a XYZBC
[14:12:39] <Mr_Wolfs> I have a 5axiskins.c
[14:13:31] <cradek> I see
[14:13:45] <cradek> I don't have any good advice for you then, sorry
[14:14:01] <Mr_Wolfs> oh
[14:14:14] <Mr_Wolfs> and if I change in the command.c
[14:16:40] <Mr_Wolfs> in EMCMOT_SET_TELEOP_VECTOR
[14:17:03] <cradek> are you talking about world mode jogging?
[14:17:08] <cradek> or running gcode?
[14:17:17] <Mr_Wolfs> the both
[14:17:43] <cradek> if you're interested in working on it, try the joints_axes3 branch
[14:18:09] <cradek> it has some improvements to this (including the removal of TELEOP_VECTOR style jogging) but is probably pretty stale by now and needs to be brought up to date
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[14:20:02] <Mr_Wolfs> cause when I'm running a gcode , I'm in worl mode?
[14:20:23] <micges> joints_axes3 is quite stable, got it on few production machines
[14:20:52] <Mr_Wolfs> then axe A
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[14:21:04] <cradek> micges: excellent, I did not know
[14:21:38] <Mr_Wolfs> axe A instead of axe B
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[14:24:08] <micges> cradek: few days ago I've installed XB machine with gentrivkins on it, works perfectly
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[14:26:30] <Mr_Wolfs> I can change the Z axe in B
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[14:26:51] <Mr_Wolfs> euh A
[14:29:36] <Mr_Wolfs> I'm lost cause I can't understand that we can put the velocity independently
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[17:11:32] <Loetmichel> re @ home
[17:12:33] <Tecan> hts 2000 looks like amazing shit
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[18:12:07] <andypugh> I <3 eBay: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/rUjDMMHTxhHQ5CKnp9kvmNMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[18:12:33] <andypugh> I think that's me sorted for tooling :-)
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[18:13:32] <archivist> grrrr
[18:13:46] <andypugh> I outbid you?
[18:14:10] <jdh> nice score
[18:14:13] <archivist> no, not at all, I am keeping of it at the moment
[18:14:26] <andypugh> £77 :-)
[18:14:53] <archivist> cheap enough!
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[18:15:12] <andypugh> (Which was half my max bid, and I would have felt I had a bargain at that price, to be honest)
[18:15:34] <andypugh> All SK30 not BT30, but that's no problem.
[18:16:02] <andypugh> (Actually, two are BT30)
[18:16:16] <andypugh> Just means that any toolchanger I make has to handle both.
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[18:18:41] <andypugh> Whenever I search eBay for SK30 tooling, it offers me this: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/360295157811 I can't say I mind...
[18:19:03] <andypugh> Better than "30 INT" which returns trousers for gay men...
[18:19:04] <P_2800> hallo zusammen, ist hier jemand der mit auf deutsch weiterhelfen kann bei der Einrichtung der Werkzeuglängenmessung
[18:20:42] <jthornton> what is a Werkzeuglšngenmessung
[18:20:52] <andypugh> P_2800: You just missed one
[18:21:06] <andypugh> jthornton: Tool length
[18:21:33] <jthornton> ah I never would have guessed that one
[18:21:42] <archivist> wake Loetmichel to help
[18:21:49] <DJ9DJ> hrhr
[18:22:00] <andypugh> work-stuff-length-measure :-)
[18:22:06] <archivist> or DJ9DJ
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[18:22:20] <P_2800> sorry, but my english is not good. i surching a german user to help me
[18:22:26] <DJ9DJ> i have no idea of tool length measurement stuff :/
[18:22:40] <andypugh> You could translate?
[18:23:20] <archivist> and we all can use google translate
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[18:24:36] <jthornton> and like magic there Loetmichel is
[18:24:50] <P_2800> ok, I try to use google translate
[18:25:15] <archivist> your english looks ok anyway
[18:26:04] <tjb1> lol jthornton, you need to try again
[18:26:14] <Loetmichel> who calls?
[18:26:15] <Loetmichel> ;-)
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[18:26:53] <DJ9DJ> ^^
[18:27:02] <P_2800> how can I set in the tool length measurement linuxcnc 2.5.1 switches with the most?
[18:27:08] <Loetmichel> also: i never used a tool lenght sensor in linuxCNC, sorry
[18:28:24] <andypugh> Are you wanting to use automatic tool-length measurement (Sind Sie wollen, um die automatische Werkzeug-Längenmessung verwenden)
[18:29:55] <Loetmichel> HRHR, i love google translate ;-)
[18:30:40] <Loetmichel> andypugh: "wollen Sie (Willst Du) die automatische werkzeuglängenmessung verwenden?"
[18:31:07] <P_2800> I want to change the tool manually measure the tool length and then automatically
[18:31:49] <jthornton> google translate starts to break down after "where is the wash room?" and "how much is it?"
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[18:32:55] <jthornton> tjb1, some guy on the forum is thinking about using an Ardunio for a THC... want to give him some tips?
[18:33:08] <andypugh> P_2800: Feel free to write in German. It is probably easier for us to figure out your question with Google than for you to ask the question in English.
[18:33:26] <ReadError> i wish mr UPS would show up with my new toy ;(
[18:34:10] <andypugh> My replacement ball nut arrived today, as did some 8" pewter discs for metal spinning :-)
[18:34:23] <frallzor> http://imageshack.us/a/img708/5440/img4798xt.jpg for valentines! no wonder my gf loves me! =P
[18:34:29] <ReadError> got my router coming today
[18:34:41] <jthornton> nice, they replaced it without you having to resort to violence?
[18:34:53] <P_2800> ok, dann versuch ich es mal ohne google :-)
[18:35:34] <andypugh> frallzor: some form of lantern pinion gear?
[18:35:48] * jthornton wanders off for a nap
[18:36:08] <frallzor> some form of nice thingie only
[18:36:10] <jthornton> frallzor, nice
[18:36:25] <P_2800> mein problem ist die automatische Werkzeuglängenmessung nach einem manuellen Werkzeugwechsel
[18:36:33] <frallzor> one of vectrics nice projekts with some custom text =)
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[18:38:29] <andypugh> P_2800: One solution is to separate the the program into sections, one for each tool. You can then call a tool-probe routine at the start of each section.
[18:38:55] <andypugh> However, I think some folk have made it all automatic, let me see if I can find the example.
[18:39:23] <jdh> every time I give out that tool-change-probe thing, people say it is a bad idea
[18:39:39] <skunkworks> I thought there was a example in the gcode examples
[18:39:48] <skunkworks> example example
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[18:40:19] <jdh> s/probe/jog/
[18:40:34] <skunkworks> http://git.linuxcnc.org/gitweb?p=linuxcnc.git;a=blob;f=nc_files/tool-length-probe.ngc;h=8b41233d2afe19ef6b9f17706108d0eb356f066b;hb=HEAD
[18:40:59] <Jymmm> s/jog/run/forest/run/
[18:41:02] <andypugh> Yes, I just found that there is an example in the sim/remap section
[18:41:19] <tjb1> jthornton: Buy the THC A-D
[18:41:36] <tjb1> Unless he/she knows what they are doing with an arduino
[18:42:38] <diginet> >knows what they are doing
[18:42:42] <diginet> >uses an arduino
[18:42:47] <diginet> don't make me laugh
[18:42:58] <andypugh> P_2800: You might want to install the latest development version (from the buildbot: http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org ) and then look at the sim/remap tool-length-probe example. This uses a new feature that allows G-codes to be re-mapped to G-code routines: http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/remap/structure.html
[18:43:26] <tjb1> diginet: You the one doing it?
[18:43:26] <P_2800> das programm "tool-length-probe.ngc" habe ich schon ich brauche noch ein PyVCP Fenster
[18:43:42] <diginet> tjb1: no, I was just kidding around :P
[18:43:59] <diginet> not a big fan of the overpriced subpar AVR board, I mean arduino
[18:44:38] <andypugh> P_2800: It is just an example, there is a complete working demo config in the development version of LinuxCNC
[18:45:03] <tjb1> diginet: Its easy to program if you are stupid like me :)
[18:45:08] <andypugh> P_2800: And, luckily, the chap who wrote that example speaks German. :-)
[18:45:56] <diginet> tjb1: oh, you aren't stupid! Ha, the problem, in my opinion, is that it gives you a false sense of security and impedes learning what is actually going on
[18:46:26] <diginet> and I think it is way overpriced
[18:46:57] <andypugh> diginet: It doesn't have to, you can still read the AVR manuals and set registers by hand. And even if it is overpriced, it is still cheap :-)
[18:47:47] <Jymmm> andypugh: s/it/he/
[18:48:00] <diginet> I'm just not a fan of its community and the "omg we're hackers we're changing the world zomg gaiz" crowd (not referring to you guys though)
[18:48:29] <jdh> I like them.
[18:48:57] <diginet> that, and the overengineering, I see arduinos used when a simple 555 or something like that would suffice
[18:49:01] <diginet> or a few shift registers
[18:49:03] <diginet> it's absurd
[18:49:25] <P_2800> geht das tool-length-probe auch mit einem PyVCP Window?
[18:50:24] <andypugh> P_2800: http://git.linuxcnc.org/gitweb?p=linuxcnc.git;a=tree;f=configs/sim/remap/manual-toolchange-with-tool-length-switch;h=2d643d6390d562766d456d84da8ebe0498b174c0;hb=HEAD
[18:51:06] <tjb1> diginet: arduino is easier for people like me instead of using 555 and all the other stuff
[18:51:42] <tjb1> I like to build things, not play with eletricity or programming…but would rather stumble through programming than try to piece together something electrical
[18:51:44] <andypugh> diginet: If you only want the 555-equivalent for a few hours then an Arduino is just easier.
[18:52:06] <Jymmm> diginet: That's like judging meat because PETA exists.
[18:52:20] <diginet> but that's not really learning is it?
[18:52:42] <diginet> you have to learn the fundamentals to really understand what you're doing
[18:52:47] <Jymmm> diginet: What if it's not about learning, and just getting the job done.
[18:53:05] <diginet> Jymmm: whichever, you can do a better job if you understand the theory
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[18:53:22] <andypugh> I recently used an Arduino to alter a PWM duty-cycle on a car. I could have developed a 555 circuit (probably) but it only took minutes with an Arduino, and the test was over in an hour.
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[18:53:31] <tjb1> diginet: some of us dont have time to learn the theory ;)
[18:53:40] <diginet> it's like trying to learn about relativity without understanding classical mechanics, you can't start from the top and expect to have a solid grasp
[18:53:55] <Jymmm> diginet: Doesn't make it better, just different. And if you had to change the timing, it's much faster reflshing, than resoldering.
[18:54:04] <P_2800> danke andypugh das werde ich mal versuchen, wenn es nicht klappt, dann komme ich wieder :-)
[18:54:05] <andypugh> Yes, but, my brain is full. I can't learn anything new :-)
[18:54:23] * Jymmm hands andypugh a shovel.
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[18:54:48] <jdh> you use a 555? why not just make your own timer? really, buying one for that is just absurd
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[18:55:22] <andypugh> P_2800: I am fairly sure that that example will _only_ work with the development (2.6 / Master) version of LinuxCNC
[18:55:35] <andypugh> jdh: Out of clockwork :-)
[18:55:47] <diginet> jdh: that's kind of fallacious, using a 555 instead of a microcontroller is more efficient if all you require is a simple timer
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[18:56:34] <jdh> of course it was fallacious
[18:56:56] <andypugh> I need to wait a day for the 555 timer to turn up, too.
[18:57:15] <jdh> I have some in a box somewhere
[18:57:20] <andypugh> (actually, I am pretty sure I have a few of them, but there are other things I don't have)
[18:57:27] <jdh> I probably have one on a breadboard somewhere
[18:58:16] <andypugh> I think the problem here is that we are in partial agreement with diginet, so having to argue unusually hard to disguise the fact :-)
[18:58:28] <Jymmm> It's pretty pathetic if you can't make/use a simple timer from legos http://www.wimp.com/legoantikythera/
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[18:59:28] <jdh> I don't really know anything about the 'community', but I do know about silly arguments.
[18:59:45] <andypugh> Arghh! The collective noun for "Lego(tm)" is "Lego". It's like building a chair out of "woods"
[19:00:05] <jdh> and everyone has different goals and motivations. Assuming everyone else has the same is pointless.
[19:00:10] <Jymmm> andypugh: goony goo goo
[19:00:44] <andypugh> jdh: I disagree! I have neither goals nor motivations :-)
[19:01:28] <archivist> AM9513 is a far better timer :)
[19:02:14] <Jymmm> archivist: You need to make that timer (in the video)
[19:02:45] <archivist> I make time clocks
[19:03:01] <Jymmm> archivist: It's a "computer"
[19:04:26] <Jymmm> But I guess it's not much diffrent than the old mechanical adding machines.
[19:06:54] <Jymmm> I got your 555's right here buddy... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVOliDG4AAc
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[19:47:40] <L84Supper> why is it ok to make a chair in the woods but not out of woods?
[19:48:59] <Jymmm> If that's a joke, Why? If it's not a joke, why not?
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[20:45:09] <mrsun> cast iron against cast iron == good right? :)
[20:45:15] <mrsun> bearing surface
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[20:49:56] <andypugh> I think it can be OK, but it isn't used all that often.
[20:50:32] <andypugh> There are a few places on our 1916 fire engine that use the combination, and that's lasted OK.
[20:51:08] <Jymmm> andypugh: for bearings?
[20:51:19] <andypugh> Slow-speed ones, yes.
[20:51:29] <Jymmm> define slow speed?
[20:51:37] <mrsun> andypugh, yeah but im meaning like ways on machines etc
[20:51:42] <mrsun> in this case a radius turning tool
[20:51:47] <mrsun> the swivel plate
[20:51:51] <mrsun> wont move alot at all :P
[20:51:55] <andypugh> Machine ways are almost always iron on iron.
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[20:52:06] <mrsun> and ofc in true retard spirit i will scrape it all! :P
[20:52:14] <mrsun> and add oil groves :P
[20:52:43] <Jymmm> mrsun: GANGNAM STYLE!
[20:53:12] <mrsun> maybe have tapered joint surfaces, then i can get real good and stiff contact :P
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[20:56:58] <andypugh> Bah! Macmaster decided I was a 'bot and locked me out for an hour. (Not that I can order from them anyway)
[20:57:17] <tjb1> Someone tell me why the cut isnt following the pink line? https://www.dropbox.com/s/dc7hl37nvtlacyi/messedupcut.jpg
[20:57:39] <jdh> searching too fast?
[20:57:54] <mrsun> i wonder what angle it is on the "dovetail" that olds the compound in place on the south bend lathes
[20:57:57] <mrsun> anyone know? :)
[20:59:28] <Loetmichel> *BAH* Silberdust-filled silicone rubber is REALLY bad to mill... and expensive like hell the material is... ;-) -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=14049
[20:59:50] * Loetmichel shoud make a punch for that soon...
[21:00:14] <mrsun> http://www.cams-club.org/meeting-history/2008-03-25/Tex_R's_Compound_with_Screw&Dial2.jpg looks like that
[21:00:37] <tjb1> No one uses solidworks? :(
[21:00:56] <jdh> I can't afford it.
[21:01:19] <cradek> tjb1: for commercial software you oughta call their support
[21:01:29] <tjb1> I'm in school
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[21:01:47] <andypugh> jdh: Turning on Private Browsing foiled their evil cookie :-)
[21:01:58] <jdh> heh, that's lame.
[21:02:14] <jdh> nothign like client side security
[21:02:50] <andypugh> mrsun: Looks like 60 degrees.
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[21:05:13] <tjb1> My lofted cut is not following the entire centerline....
[21:05:15] <mrsun> hmm ok =)
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[21:25:20] <Jymmm> Anyone know anything about patents?
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[21:27:08] <andypugh> Not a lot.
[21:27:59] <andypugh> I just found that the reason that I couldn't spot a difference beyween the 5V and the 12V DC-DC converters I got from China was that they were both 5V.
[21:28:38] <Jymmm> andypugh: If I show my idea to a patent attorney without a signed agreement in place, is it still considered to be privileged?
[21:28:39] <JT-Shop> yuck
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[21:29:29] <andypugh> Jymmm: I am not sure, but I would rather expect a pro to "do the right thing"
[21:29:58] <JT-Shop> you would have to ask a lawer in your state Jymmm
[21:30:08] <Jymmm> andypugh: Well, that's ethics =)
[21:30:17] <andypugh> It was £1.58 including postage from China. I think I might spend the £6.80 for a UK-sourced one.
[21:30:51] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: This is across state lines Calif and Texas (as example)
[21:31:52] <JT-Shop> then you would need to seek counsul in both states
[21:32:10] <JT-Shop> or just don't show the PL the real thing LOL
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[21:33:11] <Jymmm> The firm is in multiple states, the local office does technology and biomed IP, their out-of-state offices do the other IP related items.
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[21:33:53] <Jymmm> The showing is for him to run a preliminary search at no charge.
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[21:39:05] <Connor> what's a good site for inexpensive industrial type buttons.. push type.. also looking for a drop-out style on/off button like on the G0704 power switch..
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[21:39:17] <JesusAlos> hi
[21:39:27] <Connor> were if, the AC is cut, it pops off and you have to press it again.
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[21:40:06] <Jymmm> Now THAT you could use a safety relay for =)
[21:40:24] <Connor> Yea, a latching style one..
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[21:40:56] <Jymmm> Connor: Uh, I don't think you understand "safety relays" too well.
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[21:41:09] <Connor> probably not.
[21:41:11] <Connor> :)
[21:41:18] <Jymmm> safety relay != latching relay
[21:41:20] <andypugh> Connor: If you want inexpensive, then there are lots of arcade buttons on eBay. Not entirely industrial, but designed to be pretty tough. http://www.ebay.com/itm/HAPP-BUTTONS-BUTTON-MAME-HAPP-JAMMA-NINTENDO-ARCADE-MARVEL-BALLY-WILLIAMS-/261136768421?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cccf6dda5 for example, operate standard microwitches.
[21:41:27] <JesusAlos> http://imagebin.org/246623
[21:42:12] <JesusAlos> continued looking for a software like this
[21:42:13] <andypugh> JesusAlos: You found the right software then?
[21:42:21] <JesusAlos> no
[21:42:31] <JesusAlos> is the software of other manufacturer
[21:42:45] <andypugh> Ah
[21:42:54] <JesusAlos> I'm going crazy
[21:43:04] <Jymmm> short drive
[21:43:10] <JesusAlos> I have tried many
[21:43:23] <andypugh> JesusAlos: You could ask SheetCAM to add the function.
[21:44:08] <JesusAlos> no. I don't ask, but see a tutorials and don't seems he do
[21:44:18] <JesusAlos> I must ask...
[21:45:09] <andypugh> There is "chaining" http://forum.sheetcam.com/viewtopic.php?t=5190&sid=0657b3396d5fa73b2367b2981312b040
[21:45:22] <JesusAlos> the problem is that all softwares say run in 2 axis mode. but really run like 2-1/2 axis
[21:47:13] <andypugh> It sounds like setting Max Chain Length to longer than the work table ought to have something like the right effect.
[21:48:00] <frallzor> JesusAlos looking for software?
[21:48:09] <frallzor> as in CAM?
[21:48:29] <JesusAlos> yes CAM
[21:48:38] <frallzor> 2-3 axis?
[21:48:39] <archivist> almost looks like truetype tracer could be used
[21:48:50] <JesusAlos> 2 axis
[21:49:03] <frallzor> for what? I missed that
[21:49:15] <frallzor> the machine that is
[21:49:30] <JesusAlos> is for hot wire foam cutting machine
[21:49:44] <frallzor> oh then im shit of luck for giving advice =(
[21:49:53] <JesusAlos> no only cut text
[21:49:55] <Connor> andypugh: I'm looking for the more industrial ones.. like you see on operator panels etc.. I know they're a few online salvage companies that have things like that..
[21:50:05] <JesusAlos> can cut other geometry
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[21:55:05] <JesusAlos> andypugh: not think my case
[21:57:15] <andypugh> You _could_ just use DXF to G-code and put the links in by hand. That doesn't sound like fun, though.
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[22:00:12] <archivist> trutype tracer with a bit of C added to get the inter character paths right this may be usable http://www.archivist.info/erd/con2d.c.txt
[22:01:50] <DJ9DJ> gn8
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[22:02:50] <andypugh> archivist: I suspect that getting an optimal path between all the part and not _through_ any parts is the tricky part. The software certainly needs to know inside and outside..
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[22:03:37] <andypugh> It seems that it is possible to configure this DCDC convertor as an adjusatble thing. I guess I might as well, only £1.58 to lose.
[22:03:40] <archivist> well one has to cut through for o q R etc
[22:03:57] <andypugh> archivist: Aye, that too.
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[22:05:07] <archivist> makes sense to just return out via an inward cut
[22:05:36] <archivist> then avoid anything till next chr
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[22:10:40] <JesusAlos> do you think that with truetype and this C code do somthing like this?
[22:10:55] <JesusAlos> http://imagebin.org/246623
[22:12:20] <archivist> it will requires some coding to merge and make it all work
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[22:55:26] <JesusAlos> please
[22:55:52] <JesusAlos> can seetcam select the end points?
[22:56:13] <JesusAlos> I see the start points selection
[22:56:18] <JesusAlos> but not the end
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[22:58:16] <andypugh> JesusAlos: I am not sure, I haven't used it enough.
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[23:43:59] <tjb1> http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/860539_10200259923716736_528498580_o.jpg
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