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[01:12:17] <abetusk> So am I really the only one that is trying for an open source only toolchain/workflow?
[01:13:10] <alex4nder> no, there are plenty of people that wish
[01:16:39] <abetusk> has anyone succeeded?
[01:16:51] <alex4nder> nope
[01:16:58] <alex4nder> well, it depends on what you're trying to do
[01:17:27] <abetusk> some type of 3d modelling to gcode...
[01:17:48] <abetusk> either blender, brlcad, openscad, etc. to stl or dxf to gcode for a CNC
[01:17:58] <abetusk> or just convert directly if that's possible
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[01:20:56] <tjb1> ReadError: are you here?
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[01:21:57] <MattyMatt> abetusk there are gcode exporters for blender
[01:22:03] <ReadError> sup tjb1
[01:22:16] <tjb1> The d525mw isnt seeing the usb as a boot device
[01:22:21] <MattyMatt> search mgcodegenerator on wiki
[01:22:24] <tjb1> I have USB Boot enabled
[01:22:29] <ReadError> hit f12
[01:22:36] <tjb1> Its showing up in boot drive order
[01:22:38] <ReadError> see if it gives you the option in the list
[01:23:18] <tjb1> No boot device detected
[01:23:23] <Tom_itx> mmm
[01:23:44] <Tom_itx> you don't have a cd?
[01:23:45] <ReadError> f12 should give you a list
[01:23:52] <ReadError> like power on
[01:23:55] <ReadError> then hammer f12
[01:23:58] <tjb1> F12 is network boot
[01:24:00] <ReadError> until the menu comes up
[01:24:04] <ReadError> f9 ?
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[01:24:11] <ReadError> it varies by bios
[01:24:19] <ReadError> but 1 key should give you a list of boot options
[01:24:32] <tjb1> I picked the USB and it says some failure...
[01:24:33] <Tom_itx> F10 is boot menu
[01:24:54] <ReadError> ah yea could be f10
[01:24:59] <Tom_itx> i just checked
[01:25:01] <Tom_itx> it is
[01:25:12] <ReadError> i know on most of our server chassis its f12
[01:25:14] <tjb1> Is there a way to pause these error screens?
[01:25:22] <ReadError> break
[01:25:30] <ReadError> or pause key
[01:25:37] <tjb1> Nope
[01:26:05] <tjb1> pxe-e61 media test failure
[01:26:11] <Tom_itx> did you make the boot from the cd?
[01:26:24] <Tom_itx> i could try it on mine
[01:26:37] <ReadError> i think he used unetbootin
[01:26:44] <tjb1> I grabbed the iso and used unetbootin
[01:26:44] <Tom_itx> he did
[01:26:54] <Tom_itx> i just forgot the steps
[01:26:57] <Tom_itx> i did it once
[01:27:00] <tjb1> That error is related to network booting
[01:27:12] <ReadError> tjb1, is there another USB in the bios?
[01:27:16] <ReadError> like USB Harddisk
[01:27:21] <ReadError> or USB Mass storage
[01:27:30] <tjb1> Let me take care of this error first
[01:28:10] <tjb1> Ok no more error now
[01:28:12] <ReadError> its probably trying to PXE boot
[01:28:19] <abetusk> MattyMatt, thanks
[01:28:19] <tjb1> That was it
[01:28:23] <tjb1> Trying usb now
[01:28:48] <tjb1> Boot menu shows the SST9500xxxxxx HDD and SanDisk Cruzer Micro
[01:28:54] <ReadError> ya sandisk
[01:29:04] <tjb1> Hitting the sandisk and it blinks a few times, no boot device detected
[01:29:18] <Tom_itx> do i need the cd to make the boot?
[01:29:48] <tjb1> All the usb ports should be the same right?
[01:30:18] <ReadError> is legacy usb on?
[01:30:22] <ReadError> not sure if that matters or not
[01:30:43] <tjb1> Let me see
[01:31:02] <tjb1> Its not on the latest bios
[01:32:18] <Tom_itx> now.. where the heck did i put the cd
[01:32:54] <tjb1> Legacy is on and all ports are enabled
[01:34:09] <tjb1> Ill try bios update
[01:40:07] <Tom_itx> what's your bios ver?
[01:40:10] <tjb1> Wont even boot that USB for bios update
[01:40:35] <tjb1> 0083
[01:40:57] <Tom_itx> where do you see that?
[01:40:59] <ReadError> try turning off legacy
[01:41:10] <tjb1> Right beside bios version Tom_itx
[01:41:12] <ReadError> are you using the usb port in the front or back ?
[01:41:20] <Tom_itx> i'm making a bootable thumb drive to test
[01:41:25] <tjb1> MWPNT10N.86A.0083.2011.0524.1600
[01:41:31] <Tom_itx> yeah that
[01:41:48] <Tom_itx> mine's .0069
[01:41:55] <tjb1> Im making a new usb drive to try
[01:42:03] <Tom_itx> how do you do a bios update?
[01:42:07] <Tom_itx> is that risky?
[01:42:33] <tjb1> http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?agr=Y&ProdId=3253&DwnldID=22377&ProductFamily=Desktop+Boards&ProductLine=Intel%C2%AE+NM10+Chipset+Family+Boards&ProductProduct=Intel%C2%AE+Desktop+Board+D525MW&lang=eng#help
[01:42:48] <tjb1> I wouldnt do it if you dont need it
[01:43:51] <Tom_itx> so you copied the iso to the thumbdrive then did the boot thing to it?
[01:44:21] <tjb1> no
[01:44:38] <tjb1> unetbootin takes the iso and makes it
[01:45:03] <Tom_itx> so i don't need the iso on the thumbdrive?
[01:45:10] <Tom_itx> rather the pc
[01:45:15] <tjb1> Yes
[01:45:18] <Tom_itx> k
[01:45:42] <tjb1> ReadError: My usb keyboard not working right after turning the legacy support off
[01:45:44] <Tom_itx> i'm gonna try it
[01:46:04] <ReadError> but does the usb drive boot?
[01:49:29] <tjb1> Its working now
[01:49:33] <tjb1> Must of been that flash drive
[01:50:01] <tjb1> Put it on a kingston and it worked after I turned legacy back on
[01:53:12] <Tom_itx> i'll still see if mine will boot
[01:53:25] <Tom_itx> once the iso is done
[01:53:59] <tjb1> installing from live "cd" now
[01:54:27] <tjb1> I guess I can rip the cd drive out of the old computer and put it in here for ease of use in the future
[01:54:42] <Tom_itx> mine has one
[01:54:45] <Tom_itx> i seldom use it
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[02:00:49] <Tom_itx> ok that worked fine
[02:01:39] <tjb1> What brand flash drive?
[02:02:34] <ReadError> anything big in 2.6 ?
[02:02:35] <tjb1> Well its booting ubuntu now :)
[02:03:04] <tjb1> Is it safe to use the updater in ubuntu ?
[02:03:07] <Tom_itx> sandisk
[02:03:23] <Tom_itx> updater?
[02:03:38] <tjb1> The old computer kept asking me to update things
[02:03:43] <Tom_itx> i get updates but not the 12.xx install
[02:03:47] <tjb1> Maybe because I had cad programs and stuff on it
[02:04:06] <tjb1> Max jitter on servo thread is 6734 and base thread is 4436
[02:04:10] <tjb1> Good?
[02:05:19] <skunkworks> I have done very good
[02:05:23] <skunkworks> run glxgears
[02:05:53] <skunkworks> surf the web - play youtube videos... transfer files around
[02:06:08] <Tom_itx> tjb1, yeah it's good
[02:06:11] <tjb1> Where is glxgears
[02:06:15] <ReadError> tjb1, you can do the isocpus thing too
[02:06:26] <skunkworks> open a terminal - type glxgears.
[02:07:03] <tjb1> servo 6807, base 9136
[02:08:00] <tjb1> This ReadError ? http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?The_Isolcpus_Boot_Parameter_And_GRUB2
[02:08:07] <ReadError> yea
[02:09:29] <tjb1> From what I read, I need to download the 07_rtai file and run those 3 commands?
[02:10:58] <ReadError> yea if you follow those directions you should be good
[02:12:38] <tjb1> I disabled hyperthreading in the bios, is this going to do anything different
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[02:19:48] <jdh> be marginally better. maybe.
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[02:21:10] <Tom_itx> my stepper system with mesa cards ran fine with or without it
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[02:22:36] <tjb1> Well its still running but
[02:22:55] <tjb1> Before, servo was 10806 and base was 12969, right now servo is 5218 and base is 5750
[02:23:32] <diginet> Hi, I'm new to CNC/Machining in general, but one thing I'm trying to figure out: can laser only cut, like in two dimensions, or can "mill" (I guess melt/vaporize would be more accurate) in 3 dimensions?
[02:24:01] <tjb1> You can engrave
[02:24:11] <tjb1> Change the depth by varying laser power
[02:24:19] <tjb1> I dont know how accurate you can be with it
[02:24:56] <diginet> yeah, that's what I thought
[02:25:30] <tjb1> Would depend a lot on material consistency along with tons of other factors
[02:25:48] <diginet> yeah
[02:26:31] <tjb1> servo 5864 and base 7029 now
[02:31:18] <tjb1> Been there for 5 minutes now
[02:33:05] <Tom_itx> run a bunch of apps and test it
[02:33:09] <tjb1> Whoa, base thread went up to 45,568...
[02:36:24] <tjb1> I thought I had read somewhere about a large jump in latency
[02:36:47] <skunkworks> what is the hardware?
[02:36:53] <tjb1> d525mw
[02:36:56] <skunkworks> oh
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[02:38:24] <skunkworks> I thought that hardware was good...
[02:39:11] <skunkworks> disable hyperthreading in the bios?
[02:39:18] <tjb1> Yes
[02:39:31] <tjb1> That was with the latency test and glxgears running for probably 15 minutes
[02:39:47] <skunkworks> did it start to go into powersaving?
[02:39:48] <tjb1> That also happened a little bit after computer shut screen off
[02:39:55] <skunkworks> ah - turn that off.
[02:40:11] <Tom_itx> oh definitely turn that off
[02:40:13] <tjb1> power management?
[02:40:32] <Tom_itx> i'd let it all run
[02:40:48] <tjb1> Where is this setting
[02:40:56] <tjb1> Its already set to never put the computer to sleep
[02:41:25] <skunkworks> I don't have 10.04 here to look... screen saver?
[02:41:35] <Tom_itx> i'm checking.. had to boot it
[02:42:18] <Tom_itx> system -> preferences -> screensaver
[02:42:50] <Tom_itx> power management is there as well
[02:43:11] <tjb1> I turned everything off
[02:44:10] <tjb1> Anything else to take care of?
[02:44:29] <Tom_itx> i don't think so
[02:44:51] <Tom_itx> check parport mode in bios
[02:45:06] <tjb1> set to epp
[02:45:15] <tjb1> im gonna use the pci expansion for driver control though
[02:53:13] <tjb1> Anything else in terminal that is more stress?
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[03:12:17] <tjb1> Been probably 20 minutes now…max jitter servo - 6260 and base - 7491
[03:17:18] <skunkworks> great!
[03:18:49] <tjb1> Hmm it just jumped to 115069 and 11209, still good
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[03:45:48] <tjb1> Can you check CPU temp from within ubuntu?
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[03:52:26] <s1dev> tjb1 in /dev/msr there's stuff and there's probably something in the repo
[03:53:00] <Tom_itx> ok. i'm out for tonight
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[04:04:12] <tjb1> :( I dont have a sata hdd
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[04:28:40] <diginet> sorry if this is a dumb question: could a multiaxis machine do the work of a lathe? theoretically even?
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[04:40:48] <tjb1> Yes but not as efficient
[04:42:50] <diginet> ah okay
[04:44:44] <tjb1> Let me find a post
[04:46:14] <tjb1> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/solidcam/164348-turning_vmc.html
[04:46:32] <tjb1> enjoy
[04:47:05] <diginet> cool! thanks!
[04:47:10] <tjb1> I wish when they made these PSUs for the mini itx cases they got rid of half the damn wiring
[04:47:23] <tjb1> Im gonna have to tear it apart and take half the wiring out :(
[04:49:54] <AR_> anyone have one of those chinese spindles and VFDs?
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[05:59:09] <tjb1> http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.4944493326121.2189989.1112377031&type=1&l=a0e58ae2a4
[05:59:10] <tjb1> ;)
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[06:25:08] <r00t4rd3d> the cleveland show sucks
[06:25:23] <tjb1> Watch your mouth
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[06:25:53] <r00t4rd3d> get me some pop
[06:26:31] <tjb1> I'm watching american dad
[06:27:38] <r00t4rd3d> i just watched king of the hill on my n7
[06:29:11] <tjb1> american dad is on cartoon network
[06:29:31] <r00t4rd3d> I ordered a bluetooth ODB2 interface today :D
[06:29:38] <r00t4rd3d> 12 bucks
[06:29:49] <tjb1> oh man
[06:29:54] <tjb1> What are you going to do with that
[06:30:22] <r00t4rd3d> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.prowl.torque
[06:31:12] <r00t4rd3d> charge my friends 10 bucks to clear their check engine light before inspection :D
[06:31:49] <tjb1> My dad has a good one
[06:32:05] <tjb1> Let me find it
[06:32:38] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.ebay.com/itm/160930883768?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
[06:33:13] <tjb1> I think its this one - http://www.amazon.com/INNOVA-3100-OBDII-Code-Reader/dp/B000EVWDAK/ref=sr_1_1?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1358577161&sr=1-1&keywords=innova+obd2
[06:33:33] <tjb1> You didnt try make an offer?
[06:33:39] <r00t4rd3d> nah
[06:33:45] <Jymmm> the Permissions that apps wants/needs is pathetic
[06:34:03] <tjb1> Oh wow, allentown PA…I could have that like next week
[06:34:33] <tjb1> Who looks at the permissions?
[06:34:34] <tjb1> :P
[06:34:37] <r00t4rd3d> not me
[06:34:46] <tjb1> I look for the install button
[06:34:54] <r00t4rd3d> atleast not legit stuff from the play store
[06:34:58] <tjb1> Did you check reviews on this bluetooth?
[06:35:17] <r00t4rd3d> ive read where other people have used them
[06:35:29] <tjb1> That specific one?
[06:35:38] <r00t4rd3d> yeah
[06:35:40] <r00t4rd3d> Returns:
[06:35:40] <r00t4rd3d> 30 days money back or item exchange, buyer pays return shipping
[06:35:57] <tjb1> Or just submit a paypal claim
[06:36:00] <tjb1> and run them into the ground
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[06:37:03] <tjb1> Ill go for this
[06:37:25] <tjb1> 53 competing offers…gues $13 it is
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[08:00:13] <DJ9DJ> moin
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[11:02:48] <Loetmichel> mornin'
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[14:12:39] <JT-Shop> morning
[14:14:16] <Tom_itx> nice sunny one
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[14:18:06] <JT-Shop> high of 54F here and sunny
[14:19:01] <Tom_itx> pretty close to that here as well i believe
[14:31:00] <archivist> this want saving from the scrap fleabay 130837601588
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[14:45:46] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/3D_print_a_shell_for_your_Nokia_Phone
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[14:56:38] <JT-Shop> archivist: I need one like that will you deliver it?
[14:57:02] <archivist> if you stump up the cash
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[15:25:25] <JT-Shop> I knew there would be a catch
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[15:32:03] <archivist> :)
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[15:43:36] <IchGuckLive> hi all
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[15:48:31] <JT-Shop> tannerite lanucher repairs done
[16:07:35] <IchGuckLive> JT-Shop: what is this ?
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[16:09:17] <JesusAlos> hello
[16:09:24] <IchGuckLive> B)
[16:11:01] <JT-Shop> launch tube http://imagebin.org/243387
[16:11:24] <JT-Shop> projectile http://imagebin.org/243388
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[16:23:44] <IchGuckLive> JT-Shop: are you the rocketman
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[16:36:47] <JT-Shop> dunno, but we launch the B dome up pretty high...
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[16:40:02] <Jymmm> ~~~ 3D Printed AR-15 Receiver, the media = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqzJlBcCsow , censorship, cad files = http://defcad.org/ , and websites = http://defdist.tumblr.com/post/37023487585/printed-reinforced-ar-lower-review and http://defensedistributed.com/... oh my!
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[16:40:17] <Jymmm> heh
[16:40:44] <Jymmm> The megapack is 95MB
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[16:50:21] <Jymmm> ve7it: Yo!
[16:50:31] <ve7it> hoho
[16:50:56] <Jymmm> ve7it: What it be like my Nanook of the north?
[16:51:50] <ve7it> well... the seal meat is on the fire.... the snow is very crusty and the woman made me a new pair of boots!
[16:52:45] <Jymmm> ve7it: Did she at least chew the hide herself to soften the boots?
[16:53:18] <ve7it> she wanted to, but has no teeth
[16:53:58] <Jymmm> Ah, yeah. But gumming it might not be so bad either, just a lil added work.
[16:54:25] <ve7it> what's happening in the tropical bay area?
[16:54:51] <Jymmm> it be 40F phucking degrees atm!
[16:55:10] <Jymmm> 71%
[16:55:30] <Jymmm> So aint so tropical
[16:56:12] <ve7it> about the same here... has been freezing at night but just barely... foggy at times... just right for black ice in the mornings
[16:56:57] <Jymmm> ve7it: The in-tank fuel pump on my 2001 Ford Expedition went out with 20gal in it. No tools , even the pump is expensive, and can't even cut an access hatch
[16:57:22] <ve7it> but it has been a warm winter so far... ice on the pond only a couple of mornings... it can get up to 3 or 4" during a cold snap
[16:57:56] <Jymmm> Too cold for me either way
[16:58:22] <ve7it> 2001... hmm does it have an anti syphon screen?
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[16:58:33] <Jymmm> Yeah
[16:59:37] <Jymmm> I even thought about ADDing an external pump, but the ppl I called said that they don't think there will be enough free flow from the extisting dead pump
[16:59:48] <ve7it> I wonder if you popped a fuel line in the engine compartment if you could pump out the tank through the broken pump
[17:00:00] <ve7it> great minds!
[17:00:33] <Jymmm> Well, I'm not talking pumping out, just prevent from having to drop the tank.
[17:00:40] <ve7it> is it a plastic or metal gas tank?
[17:00:58] <Jymmm> Besides I have no place to put 20gal, and 4x 5gal cans would cost 480
[17:01:03] <Jymmm> plastic
[17:01:14] <Jymmm> $80
[17:02:41] <ve7it> pay the dealership... they will happily engage the beast, but you might need a second job
[17:03:34] <Jymmm> Dealer wants $1100, KBB is $3500. 1/3rd of the ost of the vehicle, FOR A FUEL PUMP!? A mech pump is $26 and two bolts.
[17:03:40] <Jymmm> cost
[17:04:27] <Jymmm> The CHEAPEST pump I can find is $100, plus another $20 for a new strainer
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[17:07:13] <ve7it> modern cars are not meant to be repaired... it pisses me off.... the new diesels have so much extra crap added, that they are no longer a simple reliable engine... the new Dodge truck exhaust is $8000 and one of the the local dealerships has 14 stolen off the lot in 1 night
[17:07:41] <Jymmm> the cats?
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[17:08:35] <ve7it> some combo of cats and particulate burners.... an expensive substitute for a 4" piece of pipe
[17:09:06] <Jymmm> That's too bad, Since the cost of the fuel pump repair is so much, I'm looking at buying another car and fix this when it warms up instead.
[17:09:51] <Jymmm> I considered a small diesel pickup, but really know nothing about them today. smog checks, easy to repair, etc
[17:09:59] <ve7it> Easy to steal from a new truck... the bolts aren't even rusty 2 bolt flange and 1 slip joint
[17:10:17] <Jymmm> heh
[17:10:46] <Jymmm> We had a thing like that happening around here too, but in ppl's driveways
[17:12:49] <ve7it> There is something to be said about getting an older vehicle and doing a frame up restoration... one would know every part of the vehicle and be able to get it going for a long time
[17:13:14] <ve7it> keep it going...
[17:13:15] <Jymmm> Yeah, pre-smog crap years too
[17:13:51] <Jymmm> I think 1975 for Calif
[17:14:08] <ve7it> 1929 ford roadster... I like the gangster car look
[17:14:47] <Jymmm> Mercury, shaved and lowered... Like Jesse James' one.
[17:15:02] <Jymmm> Gawd I love the look of that thing
[17:15:18] <Jymmm> AND add suicide doors =)
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[17:15:29] <ve7it> fuel injection is nice, but a lot pricier to fix than a carb kit...
[17:15:59] <Jymmm> True, and I kinda like the coil-on-plug
[17:16:37] <Jymmm> I still want to slap whoever thought of IN-TANK furl pump.
[17:16:43] <Jymmm> fuel
[17:17:16] <Jymmm> 12yo car and the cheapest pump is $100.... come on
[17:17:59] <ve7it> move the tank to the roof rack and use gravity!
[17:18:37] <Jymmm> LOL, 1) That STILL means I have t drop the damn tank! 2) Needs at least 80PSI
[17:19:11] <Jymmm> 80-100 PSI and iirc 40GPH flowrate
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[17:20:23] <Jymmm> ve7it: Make an electric car with a propane (actually tri-fuel) generator as the power source.
[17:20:57] <Jymmm> ve7it: All the lovely torque of electric plus the smog exemptions of propane!
[17:21:48] <Jymmm> Hmmm, how does the "heater" in a hybrid car work with no radiator?
[17:22:01] <Jymmm> or electric car, whatever
[17:23:32] <ve7it> electric heat and a/c.... maybe not bad where you are, but it would really kill electrics in really cold or really hot climates
[17:23:55] <Jymmm> ah
[17:24:20] <Jymmm> well maybe I could add liquid cooling to the generator
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[17:25:08] <ve7it> recovering exhaust heat may be enough
[17:25:27] <ve7it> aka old vw beetles
[17:25:41] <Jymmm> True. Not sure about AC though
[17:25:58] <ve7it> they also had a gasoline fired heater
[17:26:08] <Jymmm> really?
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[17:26:29] <ve7it> maybe just a tiger torch aimed at the windshield
[17:26:46] <Jymmm> Not sure if I'd want a propane fired heater in a car, but I have one running behind me right now =)
[17:27:34] <Jymmm> ve7it: On a 20LB tank... http://www.mrheater.com/product.aspx?catid=41&id=24
[17:27:58] <ve7it> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvWN4CVbAuM
[17:29:35] <JT-Shop> we used a milk jug on a corvair for a fuel tank once
[17:30:52] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: heh
[17:33:06] <Jymmm> ~~~ Refill 1LB disposable propane tanks, it works pretty good, but I freeze them for 24h and set the 20LB tank in the sun http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Q2Jhbbmnos&feature=player_detailpage#t=6s
[17:34:00] <Jymmm> I also use a postal scale and weight the bottles before and after filling them.
[17:35:56] <Jymmm> Wrench tighten the adapter to the 20LB tank, and hand tighten the 1LB bottles when filling them. They DO make a popping sound when removing them though =)
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[17:43:33] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[17:52:47] <archivist> retrofit project in Kent fleabay 130834554368
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[18:05:01] <JT-Shop> nap time
[18:05:18] <IchGuckLive> take a big one
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[19:09:46] <IchGuckLive> have a nice weekend where ever you are BY
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[20:26:58] <tjb1> What is the command that shows parallel port addresses again?
[20:28:22] <gene__> lathe, G7 in effect. Is X HOME_OFFSET in diameter, or radii?
[20:29:39] <mrsun> wth .. rust 10mm bellow the surface of steel ...
[20:29:46] <mrsun> alot of big pores of rust
[20:29:51] <skunkworks> I don't think G7 effects homing.. So it should always be in radii
[20:30:19] <skunkworks> lspci -v
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[20:30:57] <gene__> No wonder my adjustments aren't hitting the target, thanks
[20:31:54] <tjb1> skunkworks: there was another command that I used before that worked better
[20:32:36] <tjb1> Found it - cat /proc/ioports
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[20:34:18] <tjb1> That only shows 1 parport though…lspci -v is showing I/O ports at 1000 and 1008
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[20:36:45] <tjb1> skunkworks: Got any tips here?
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[20:47:02] <skunkworks> sorry..
[20:47:31] <skunkworks> maybe ask on the forum..
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